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Firstly let me apologise for edit warring with various IP editors over railway station articles. I have been contributing to Wikipedia for nearly six years and believe the vast majority of my input has been positive, including on dozens of UK rail articles.
I do think there should be some guidelines around the use of routeboxes on station articles.
Foremost, editors should remember the article is about the station and not the timetable and all of its nuances. Readers can refer to official websites such as National Rail for detailed timetable information. Thus, I do not think limited services should be shown, and only the usual off-peak weekday routes should be in the routebox.
The definition of limited services is open to debate but I would suggest that a service that represents less than 20% of the station's overall week's worth of trains might be worthy of a mention in the article body but not its own routebox. Even if a limited service is operated by a different TOC than the usual one, this is hardly worthy of note to the degree of an entire routebox. An example would be Gidea Park which sees two Colchester services per day but these represent less than 20% of the station's usual service. The fact the Colchester trains are a different TOC is perhaps worthy of mention in the article prose, but not its own routebox. On the other hand, the one train per day at Eccles Road that is operated by East Midlands might seem to be "limited" but it isn't in the context of the station's total service, and therefore should be shown.
Sunday-only services should also be classified as limited and therefore omitted from routeboxes, as this is just one day out of seven in the week and therefore unlikely to represent more than 20% of the station's trains. An exception would be a station only open at weekends, such as Lakenheath, whose seven Sunday trains make up 78% of the station's total trains.
Finally, it becomes complex and confusing to show every possible "route" and therefore the routebox should show the line(s) the station is on and it's position on the line(s) it is on. For example, for Shenfield it is desirable to show the "route" as "Great Eastern Main Line" rather than "Liverpool Street to Ipswich/Liverpool Street to Colchester/Liverpool Street to Clacton/Liverpool Street to Harwich"...etc. In that vein, Shenfield is the last station on the Shenfield to Southend Line, with services then joining the GEML towards either Romford or Stratford. This is made clear in the article body. Hopefully we can reach some consensus over these points and improve the focus and readability of these station articles. -- TBM10 ( talk) 09:48, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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@ Mattbuck: @ Likelife:, I absolutely completely agree with both of you with these route boxes, limited services (if their a different TOC's) should certainly be shown. However @ Mattbuck: I would say include Norwich services at Stratford though, mainly because they call there every hour during off-peak and they have been shown in routebox in the past. And yes @ Nthep: Manchester Victoria route boxes could definitely be reduced down as that is what I call every iteration of the timetable. @ TBM10: @ Lamberhurst: have you even read anything me or Mattbuck ( talk · contribs) or Lamberhurst ( talk · contribs) or David Biddulph ( talk · contribs) have said on this page or on User talk:TBM10#Your unnecessary edit changes!. To me it seems as if both of you haven't even listened what so ever and personally it should be made compulsory for routeboxes to show their limited services if its a different TOC's, that's the reason why we have different TOC colours isn't it? @ TBM10: ok if the Shenfield Metro service was AGA and as well as the Southend and Colchester services are then I would say don't include it in routebox and only include it in the prose, but as the Shenfield Metro is not AGA, then the limited AGA services should get their own route box, especially since its National Rail as well, whilst TfL Rail is Crossrail.-- Hs2107 ( talk) 20:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
@ TBM10: I have to say it once again, having to get all my anger out towards you! The whole point of Wikipedia is not just to show the proceeding/following station that's the reason why we have colours in the route box isn't it? I am sorry but a disagree with you, there is however certain stations that I agree with such as the Crouch Valley Line at Wickford, I agree showing it as the Terminus as the off-peak timetable shows it terminates there, however Shenfield I disagree with you because the off-peak timetable shows that Southend Vic services do not terminate at Shenfield and routeboxes are meant to be showing train services, that's what they have always shown quite frankly! Its only inner-city services such as TfL services that show proceeding/following services, not main line National Rail services. -- Hs2107 ( talk) 21:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
A minor accident has occurred at Plymouth today leading to 18 people being injured. One train was an IC125 set, including power car 43 160. The other looks to be a Class 150 or similar. Can anyone identify it? Mjroots ( talk) 17:47, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Apparently there was an accident at St Helens Central on 11 November 1988 with a fatality. The report is not downloading for me. Mjroots ( talk) 18:44, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
My attempts to put the categories on UK railway stations into what I thought was a more logical alphabetical order, have been rebuffed by User:Redrose64 on the basis that this discussion is a consensus for the order he is advocating, the methodology of which IMHO is unclear, to be maintained. From my perusal, this discussion appears only vaguely related, being a high level discussion about auto-sorting categories by a bot that doesn't particularly pertain to UK stations. In the interests of harmony, thought it best to try and gain a consensus, given that there are a number of formats floating around.
I have built Version 1 an example of how I am assuming User:Redrose64 believes it should stand, by using the current version of Carlisle railway station with a few more fields added from Garsdale railway station and Glasgow Central station to make more inclusive. Version 2 is set out in alphabetical order, the only variation made from this is to put the opening and closing dates in chronological order.
Version 2
I am guessing editors may have other options. So what do we think is the better option, or what other changes should be made? 7ten ( talk) 02:51, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Where roads are shown in WP:RDTs, should the road number be given as a plain link ( like this or this), or as an image with the appearance of a road sign ( like this or this)? I prefer the former (on grounds of accessibility and aesthetics but also on the grounds that these are rail diagrams, and to show road numbers in an eye-catching way is WP:UNDUE); whereas Nathan A RF ( talk · contribs) prefers the latter. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 22:45, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi all. Thought you might be interested in this: Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon. It's a month long (bilingual) editathon/competition aimed at improving coverage of Wales on the english and welsh wikipedias and is open to all. Points (and prizes) are available! Coverage in number of areas that may be of interest here are:
As you can see, there's lots to do... Diolch and thank you! Robevans123 ( talk) 11:46, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Even if contests aren't your thing we welcome anybody to contribute towards this as a participant too. So if anybody just feels like a quick 1.5 kb expansion of a railway station stub, or cleanup/improvement of a core article etc this would be greatly appreciated and will all count towards the big main list of work.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:28, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
I know where I am (about 400 metres from Waterbeach railway station on the Cambridge-Ely line), and I think I'm an old GER coach (but my photographer is really a GWR person and is a bit vague on old carriages...). Can anyone confirm or add more details? Robevans123 ( talk) 01:18, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
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As I mentioned above, I think that it would be useful to have a detailed RDT for station articles, covering the station in question and the next station either side (or next station for termini). I have come up with three different methods of presenting the detailed RDTs.
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Presumably you intend using one of these at Marden. They're all too complicated - we don't need anything beyond either Paddock Wood or Staplehurst in any of them, the Paddock Wood layout is superfluous in the last two, the middle one is way too wide. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 11:49, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
One final comment: I hope no one takes the above to mean that RDTs cannot be used in station articles; merely that they are not necessary in most instances. Useddenim ( talk) 21:50, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
As many of you are aware, on 10 April a Class 170 DMU collided with an agricultural tractor and trailer on a user-worked level crossing near Harling Road, on the Breckland Line. The tractor driver was seriously injured, the train driver and several passengers also sustained injuries.
Given the lack of deaths, I held off creating an article, but new information has now come to light. The tractor driver had telephoned for, and been given permission, to cross the line. Given the circumstances now know, has this event moved far enough up the notability ladder to deserve an article? Mjroots ( talk) 12:06, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm sure mnay of you know, but there's an open day on bank holiday Monday at Bristol St Philip's Marsh depot. Another Wikipedian and I will be there and I was just curious whether anyone else was planning to attend. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:46, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
FYI, Talk:Sutton (Cambridgeshire) railway station#Name. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 22:45, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains - mattbuck ( Talk) 06:16, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Today's featured article/May 18, 2016
FAC has been averaging fewer than 7 promotions per week for a while now, so the Today's Featured Article selections have to go further and further back. Brian has scheduled this one for May 18 ... but I see that the lead ends with "as of 2011 is operational", so this one hasn't been updated in a while. Could someone have a look please? - Dank ( push to talk) 01:17, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Has anyone else seen this BBC news story about David Brewer, a former railway worker who has now photographed every station in the UK? Is there some way we could reach out to him to ask if he would be willing to donate his images? -- Markshale ( talk) 13:59, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Template talk:Major railway stations in Great Britain#It's that time of year again. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 19:40, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Here are two stations which I haven't been able to identify with certainty. The first could be Southampton Central but it would be good to have confirmation. The second is less clear; possibly on a Cornish branch line? Any ideas? Lamberhurst ( talk) 22:00, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello, all; fully aware that the boxes have been described on the talk pages before, but when I have glanced through the archives, I haven't found the answer to the following question;
Does it bother no-one else that they do not run in a linear format? EG; you click on the next box to the left and instead of displaying the station you have just hyperlinked from on the right, it displays it on the left. Example here at Wokingham Station - it shows Reading on the Left for the North Downs line but in the same box shows Reading on the right for the Waterloo to Reading line, even though both lines approach from the south east and east respectively, merge and continue westwards from Wokingham.
I am just being pedantic, or does this bother other people too? Best wishes The joy of all things ( talk) 21:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
The current entry is more focussed on the modern operation which, whilst known by many as the London Tilbury and Southend, it is not a history of the actual London, Tilbury and Southend Railway. I hope to provide a more historical LTSR entry later in the year and re-name this entry. This has been raised before on that talk page but nothing has happened. Opinions? What should the existing entry be renamed as? Does anyone belong to the LTSR society and could help ? -- Davidvaughanwells ( talk) 22:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
A new article, Preston-Liverpool Line, has been created by NeB rolyaT ( talk · contribs), who also claims to be the owner. I fear that its scope largely duplicates other articles, such as Liverpool to Wigan Line and Blackpool to Liverpool Line - do we really need all these? -- Redrose64 ( talk) 19:39, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
The old tiresome (and mostly resolved) debate over whether tram stops should have articles has been raised again at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brindleyplace tram stop (2nd nomination). You might like to go and comment. G-13114 ( talk) 12:27, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
FYI: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 June 20#2 ft and 600 mm gauge railways Andy Dingley ( talk) 22:43, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Southern are cutting 350 trains a day. Might be worth keeping a weather eye on Southern (Govia Thameslink Railway) and articles covering affected lines, including the Redhill to Tonbridge Line and Seaford Branch Line, which are rumoured to be having all services cut. Mjroots ( talk) 12:39, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
An IP has added three new rolling stock rows to Wharfedale Line ( diff). Colour me unconvinced. Grateful if someone knowledgeable could check it out. thanks -- Tagishsimon (talk) 10:58, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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I've reverted your edits. You are well aware that there is no consensus for the conversion of diagrams to the routemap format where there is not a size issue. Cease and desist! Mjroots ( talk) 17:46, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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.@ Useddenim: Would it make more sense to have this discussion at WT:WikiProject Trains? While this concerns a UK route diagram, decisions about RDTs affect more than the UK's railway articles. Jc86035 ( talk • contribs) Use {{ re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 12:13, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
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Further to the discussion above, I've managed to create Draft:West Coast Main Line diagram using Draft:WCML South, Draft:WCML Central and Draft:WCML North as a guide. It still needs polishing to bring it up to the standard of East Coast Main Line diagram. Once this is done, it can be released into mainspace. Mjroots ( talk) 12:43, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
If this is an historic railway, why is Manchester Metrolink shown as a connecting line? Useddenim ( talk) 10:18, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Some substantial changes (and edit warring) have taken place on the WCML RDT in the past few days. The changes made by Nathan A RF ( talk · contribs) have the effect of removing quite a bit of detail from the template. It would be useful to have another set of eyes having a look at this, given the importance of the route. Lamberhurst ( talk) 08:16, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
There is another debate on the talk page about the naming of this article. Suggestions welcome. Optimist on the run ( talk) 18:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
It seems that Bolton-on-Dearne has been renamed Bolton-upon-Dearne. Does anybody have a reliably-sourced date for that? See Talk:Bolton-on-Dearne railway station#Name. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 07:48, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Just a reminder of the ongoing renaming discussion at Talk:Rugby–Birmingham–Stafford_Line#Requested_move_9_July_2016. G-13114 ( talk) 20:25, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
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Firstly let me apologise for edit warring with various IP editors over railway station articles. I have been contributing to Wikipedia for nearly six years and believe the vast majority of my input has been positive, including on dozens of UK rail articles.
I do think there should be some guidelines around the use of routeboxes on station articles.
Foremost, editors should remember the article is about the station and not the timetable and all of its nuances. Readers can refer to official websites such as National Rail for detailed timetable information. Thus, I do not think limited services should be shown, and only the usual off-peak weekday routes should be in the routebox.
The definition of limited services is open to debate but I would suggest that a service that represents less than 20% of the station's overall week's worth of trains might be worthy of a mention in the article body but not its own routebox. Even if a limited service is operated by a different TOC than the usual one, this is hardly worthy of note to the degree of an entire routebox. An example would be Gidea Park which sees two Colchester services per day but these represent less than 20% of the station's usual service. The fact the Colchester trains are a different TOC is perhaps worthy of mention in the article prose, but not its own routebox. On the other hand, the one train per day at Eccles Road that is operated by East Midlands might seem to be "limited" but it isn't in the context of the station's total service, and therefore should be shown.
Sunday-only services should also be classified as limited and therefore omitted from routeboxes, as this is just one day out of seven in the week and therefore unlikely to represent more than 20% of the station's trains. An exception would be a station only open at weekends, such as Lakenheath, whose seven Sunday trains make up 78% of the station's total trains.
Finally, it becomes complex and confusing to show every possible "route" and therefore the routebox should show the line(s) the station is on and it's position on the line(s) it is on. For example, for Shenfield it is desirable to show the "route" as "Great Eastern Main Line" rather than "Liverpool Street to Ipswich/Liverpool Street to Colchester/Liverpool Street to Clacton/Liverpool Street to Harwich"...etc. In that vein, Shenfield is the last station on the Shenfield to Southend Line, with services then joining the GEML towards either Romford or Stratford. This is made clear in the article body. Hopefully we can reach some consensus over these points and improve the focus and readability of these station articles. -- TBM10 ( talk) 09:48, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Preceding station | National Rail | Following station | ||
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Filton Abbey Wood |
Great Western Railway Taunton - Cardiff Central |
Severn Tunnel Junction | ||
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CrossCountry Manchester Piccadilly - Cardiff Central (Limited service) |
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Great Western Railway Severn Beach Line |
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@ Mattbuck: @ Likelife:, I absolutely completely agree with both of you with these route boxes, limited services (if their a different TOC's) should certainly be shown. However @ Mattbuck: I would say include Norwich services at Stratford though, mainly because they call there every hour during off-peak and they have been shown in routebox in the past. And yes @ Nthep: Manchester Victoria route boxes could definitely be reduced down as that is what I call every iteration of the timetable. @ TBM10: @ Lamberhurst: have you even read anything me or Mattbuck ( talk · contribs) or Lamberhurst ( talk · contribs) or David Biddulph ( talk · contribs) have said on this page or on User talk:TBM10#Your unnecessary edit changes!. To me it seems as if both of you haven't even listened what so ever and personally it should be made compulsory for routeboxes to show their limited services if its a different TOC's, that's the reason why we have different TOC colours isn't it? @ TBM10: ok if the Shenfield Metro service was AGA and as well as the Southend and Colchester services are then I would say don't include it in routebox and only include it in the prose, but as the Shenfield Metro is not AGA, then the limited AGA services should get their own route box, especially since its National Rail as well, whilst TfL Rail is Crossrail.-- Hs2107 ( talk) 20:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
@ TBM10: I have to say it once again, having to get all my anger out towards you! The whole point of Wikipedia is not just to show the proceeding/following station that's the reason why we have colours in the route box isn't it? I am sorry but a disagree with you, there is however certain stations that I agree with such as the Crouch Valley Line at Wickford, I agree showing it as the Terminus as the off-peak timetable shows it terminates there, however Shenfield I disagree with you because the off-peak timetable shows that Southend Vic services do not terminate at Shenfield and routeboxes are meant to be showing train services, that's what they have always shown quite frankly! Its only inner-city services such as TfL services that show proceeding/following services, not main line National Rail services. -- Hs2107 ( talk) 21:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
A minor accident has occurred at Plymouth today leading to 18 people being injured. One train was an IC125 set, including power car 43 160. The other looks to be a Class 150 or similar. Can anyone identify it? Mjroots ( talk) 17:47, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Apparently there was an accident at St Helens Central on 11 November 1988 with a fatality. The report is not downloading for me. Mjroots ( talk) 18:44, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
My attempts to put the categories on UK railway stations into what I thought was a more logical alphabetical order, have been rebuffed by User:Redrose64 on the basis that this discussion is a consensus for the order he is advocating, the methodology of which IMHO is unclear, to be maintained. From my perusal, this discussion appears only vaguely related, being a high level discussion about auto-sorting categories by a bot that doesn't particularly pertain to UK stations. In the interests of harmony, thought it best to try and gain a consensus, given that there are a number of formats floating around.
I have built Version 1 an example of how I am assuming User:Redrose64 believes it should stand, by using the current version of Carlisle railway station with a few more fields added from Garsdale railway station and Glasgow Central station to make more inclusive. Version 2 is set out in alphabetical order, the only variation made from this is to put the opening and closing dates in chronological order.
Version 2
I am guessing editors may have other options. So what do we think is the better option, or what other changes should be made? 7ten ( talk) 02:51, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Where roads are shown in WP:RDTs, should the road number be given as a plain link ( like this or this), or as an image with the appearance of a road sign ( like this or this)? I prefer the former (on grounds of accessibility and aesthetics but also on the grounds that these are rail diagrams, and to show road numbers in an eye-catching way is WP:UNDUE); whereas Nathan A RF ( talk · contribs) prefers the latter. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 22:45, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi all. Thought you might be interested in this: Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon. It's a month long (bilingual) editathon/competition aimed at improving coverage of Wales on the english and welsh wikipedias and is open to all. Points (and prizes) are available! Coverage in number of areas that may be of interest here are:
As you can see, there's lots to do... Diolch and thank you! Robevans123 ( talk) 11:46, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Even if contests aren't your thing we welcome anybody to contribute towards this as a participant too. So if anybody just feels like a quick 1.5 kb expansion of a railway station stub, or cleanup/improvement of a core article etc this would be greatly appreciated and will all count towards the big main list of work.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:28, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
I know where I am (about 400 metres from Waterbeach railway station on the Cambridge-Ely line), and I think I'm an old GER coach (but my photographer is really a GWR person and is a bit vague on old carriages...). Can anyone confirm or add more details? Robevans123 ( talk) 01:18, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
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help)Can anyone explain File:From_the_bridge_at_Palmers_Green_railway_station.JPG? Seems an odd movement. - mattbuck ( Talk) 11:29, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
As I mentioned above, I think that it would be useful to have a detailed RDT for station articles, covering the station in question and the next station either side (or next station for termini). I have come up with three different methods of presenting the detailed RDTs.
This uses a single line RDT regardless of how many tracks there are.
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This renders double track and single track lines separately. Could possibly be used for four track lines.
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Similar to option 2, but uses the parallel line system. Would probably be better suited to four track lines. Note that if Option 2 or Option 3 is approved, Option 1 would be the default for single track lines.Note that this diagram is drawn using the new system. It could just as easily be drawn using the old system. Neither is "better" than the other for these small diagrams and it a matter of creator's choice. (Thank you Useddenim for drawing this)).
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Please state whether you oppose the proposal, or support Option 1, Option 2, or Option 3.
Presumably you intend using one of these at Marden. They're all too complicated - we don't need anything beyond either Paddock Wood or Staplehurst in any of them, the Paddock Wood layout is superfluous in the last two, the middle one is way too wide. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 11:49, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
One final comment: I hope no one takes the above to mean that RDTs cannot be used in station articles; merely that they are not necessary in most instances. Useddenim ( talk) 21:50, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
As many of you are aware, on 10 April a Class 170 DMU collided with an agricultural tractor and trailer on a user-worked level crossing near Harling Road, on the Breckland Line. The tractor driver was seriously injured, the train driver and several passengers also sustained injuries.
Given the lack of deaths, I held off creating an article, but new information has now come to light. The tractor driver had telephoned for, and been given permission, to cross the line. Given the circumstances now know, has this event moved far enough up the notability ladder to deserve an article? Mjroots ( talk) 12:06, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm sure mnay of you know, but there's an open day on bank holiday Monday at Bristol St Philip's Marsh depot. Another Wikipedian and I will be there and I was just curious whether anyone else was planning to attend. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:46, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
FYI, Talk:Sutton (Cambridgeshire) railway station#Name. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 22:45, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains - mattbuck ( Talk) 06:16, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Today's featured article/May 18, 2016
FAC has been averaging fewer than 7 promotions per week for a while now, so the Today's Featured Article selections have to go further and further back. Brian has scheduled this one for May 18 ... but I see that the lead ends with "as of 2011 is operational", so this one hasn't been updated in a while. Could someone have a look please? - Dank ( push to talk) 01:17, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Has anyone else seen this BBC news story about David Brewer, a former railway worker who has now photographed every station in the UK? Is there some way we could reach out to him to ask if he would be willing to donate his images? -- Markshale ( talk) 13:59, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Template talk:Major railway stations in Great Britain#It's that time of year again. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 19:40, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Here are two stations which I haven't been able to identify with certainty. The first could be Southampton Central but it would be good to have confirmation. The second is less clear; possibly on a Cornish branch line? Any ideas? Lamberhurst ( talk) 22:00, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello, all; fully aware that the boxes have been described on the talk pages before, but when I have glanced through the archives, I haven't found the answer to the following question;
Does it bother no-one else that they do not run in a linear format? EG; you click on the next box to the left and instead of displaying the station you have just hyperlinked from on the right, it displays it on the left. Example here at Wokingham Station - it shows Reading on the Left for the North Downs line but in the same box shows Reading on the right for the Waterloo to Reading line, even though both lines approach from the south east and east respectively, merge and continue westwards from Wokingham.
I am just being pedantic, or does this bother other people too? Best wishes The joy of all things ( talk) 21:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
The current entry is more focussed on the modern operation which, whilst known by many as the London Tilbury and Southend, it is not a history of the actual London, Tilbury and Southend Railway. I hope to provide a more historical LTSR entry later in the year and re-name this entry. This has been raised before on that talk page but nothing has happened. Opinions? What should the existing entry be renamed as? Does anyone belong to the LTSR society and could help ? -- Davidvaughanwells ( talk) 22:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
A new article, Preston-Liverpool Line, has been created by NeB rolyaT ( talk · contribs), who also claims to be the owner. I fear that its scope largely duplicates other articles, such as Liverpool to Wigan Line and Blackpool to Liverpool Line - do we really need all these? -- Redrose64 ( talk) 19:39, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
The old tiresome (and mostly resolved) debate over whether tram stops should have articles has been raised again at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brindleyplace tram stop (2nd nomination). You might like to go and comment. G-13114 ( talk) 12:27, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
FYI: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 June 20#2 ft and 600 mm gauge railways Andy Dingley ( talk) 22:43, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Southern are cutting 350 trains a day. Might be worth keeping a weather eye on Southern (Govia Thameslink Railway) and articles covering affected lines, including the Redhill to Tonbridge Line and Seaford Branch Line, which are rumoured to be having all services cut. Mjroots ( talk) 12:39, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
An IP has added three new rolling stock rows to Wharfedale Line ( diff). Colour me unconvinced. Grateful if someone knowledgeable could check it out. thanks -- Tagishsimon (talk) 10:58, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
moved from User talk:Jc86035
I've reverted your edits. You are well aware that there is no consensus for the conversion of diagrams to the routemap format where there is not a size issue. Cease and desist! Mjroots ( talk) 17:46, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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.@ Useddenim: Would it make more sense to have this discussion at WT:WikiProject Trains? While this concerns a UK route diagram, decisions about RDTs affect more than the UK's railway articles. Jc86035 ( talk • contribs) Use {{ re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 12:13, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
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@ Mjroots: You could also add extra backslashes to the right of the existing icons instead of the left, I guess. Jc86035 ( talk • contribs) Use {{ re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 09:31, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Further to the discussion above, I've managed to create Draft:West Coast Main Line diagram using Draft:WCML South, Draft:WCML Central and Draft:WCML North as a guide. It still needs polishing to bring it up to the standard of East Coast Main Line diagram. Once this is done, it can be released into mainspace. Mjroots ( talk) 12:43, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
If this is an historic railway, why is Manchester Metrolink shown as a connecting line? Useddenim ( talk) 10:18, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Some substantial changes (and edit warring) have taken place on the WCML RDT in the past few days. The changes made by Nathan A RF ( talk · contribs) have the effect of removing quite a bit of detail from the template. It would be useful to have another set of eyes having a look at this, given the importance of the route. Lamberhurst ( talk) 08:16, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
There is another debate on the talk page about the naming of this article. Suggestions welcome. Optimist on the run ( talk) 18:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
It seems that Bolton-on-Dearne has been renamed Bolton-upon-Dearne. Does anybody have a reliably-sourced date for that? See Talk:Bolton-on-Dearne railway station#Name. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 07:48, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Just a reminder of the ongoing renaming discussion at Talk:Rugby–Birmingham–Stafford_Line#Requested_move_9_July_2016. G-13114 ( talk) 20:25, 17 July 2016 (UTC)