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I hope I'm not creating a hornets nest, but I thought i'd try to bring some order to the category listed. So initial discussions with a couple of involved editors regarding the topic suggested since we are dealing with taxa, then the category link page should link to the scientific name, whether that is a redirect or an actual article page. So if the article page uses a common name, i.e. Fin whale, then the taxa author category link should be found with the scientific name redirect ( Balaenoptera physalus, not with the actual article page of Fin whale. I agree taxa is scientific in nature, not vernacular, but my problem is maintenance. So for example, lets take Blue whale. It has a tax link for just the common name article. Others have links to both...Are people ok with duplication? In that case, The tax author may have more links (and a count) higher than the author has actually discovered. If only scientific names are used for the link, then if an editor becomes interested in adding category links to articles (like me for instance), and sees the common name article does not have a link, and i add it, then those interested would revert, i think causing a lot of maintenance issues moving forward. Also, many current common name articles have category tax author links, so a lot of work would need to be done to make the redirects up to date. There is also a problem with monotypic taxa, with species, genera, or families for instance, having redirects to the actual article. In those cases, I've been adding the tax author links to the redirects since tbey don't have actual articles. In addition there are categories for animal, plant and general tax authors. There is a preference for keeping the general one, and eliminating the plant and animal ones? I also know categories in general are all over the place regarding maintenance priorities, with some in better shape than others.. i'd be interested in any feedback. Sorry if i am causing issues..... Pvmoutside ( talk) 18:39, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
by article page, whether that is common name or scientific name, ... is how described in year pages are currently organized. As Plantdrew has noted, it varies by project, but plants are usually categorized at the scientific name, whether that's the article or the redirect.
I opened a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Palaeontology#Guidelines_on_article_creation, for those with an interest in notability. cygnis insignis 04:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
There's a discussion about a possible User Group for STEM over at Meta:Talk:STEM_Wiki_User_Group. The idea would be to help coordinate, collaborate and network cross-subject, cross-wiki and cross-language to share experience and resources that may be valuable to the relevant wikiprojects. Current discussion includes preferred scope and structure. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) talk 03:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
There's a move discussion that could use some more voices Talk:Cryptomonad#Requested move 25 May 2019 -- Nessie ( talk) 14:00, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm trying to start a conversation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arthropods#Arthropoda or Euarthropoda. Any input would be appreciated. Thank you. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 03:47, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Over the last few years, the WikiJournal User Group has been building and testing a set of peer reviewed academic journals on a mediawiki platform. The main types of articles are:
Proposal: WikiJournals as a new sister project
From a Wikipedian point of view, this is a complementary system to Featured article review, but bridging the gap with external experts, implementing established scholarly practices, and generating citable, doi-linked publications.
Please take a look and support/oppose/comment! T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) talk 11:09, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Quick question: are taxonomy templates in use for synonyms, and if not, do we care enough to delete them when present? I ask because I just created Template:Taxonomy/Procerosaurus before realizing that this was a synonym. CSD y/n? -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 21:55, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
It has recently come to my attention that not only is there a highly active Wikimedia Discord Server, it also has a #wpbiology channel! See Wikipedia:Discord for more details.
There is now a link to this on the WP:BIOL main page, but I also wanted to advertise it here. I would love for more people to join, and I hope it will prove a major resource to us going forward as we improve WP:BIOL and its subprojects. I cannot emphasize how refreshing it can be to talk in real time (or even in voice channels!) rather than in talk pages.
Come join! Prometheus720 ( talk) 05:35, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, right now the category has more than 59 thousands templates. Speaking for other language Wikipedias, every project would need to import these 59 thousand templates. Is there no other way or simpler way to do the taxonomy infobox, or if there's already talks going on about it (on Wikidata or something), could anybody point it out for me? Thanks. Bennylin ( talk) 15:03, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Is there any interest in a Tree of Life newsletter? I was looking through other WikiProjects with newsletters and became interested in starting one up for ToL. I'm willing to do most of the legwork & all that, but just wanted to check and see if there would be editors interested in reading such a newsletter, which would be the whole point :)
As far as specifics, I think a key component would be a round-up of GAs/FAs in ToL and an overview of any news/changes/discussions among the subprojects. It doesn't need to be very long & probably shouldn't be--I like the length of WikiProject Children's literature's newsletter. Probably quarterly or every other month. Open to feedback/suggestions. Enwebb ( talk) 21:55, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Striking while the iron is hot, I invite any interested editors to subscribe to the promised newsletter here. Thanks, Enwebb ( talk) 00:00, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
I just came across the newsletter. I love it! There are a few newsletters about the place. I wonder whether it could be good to have them linked to or summariced as a regular section of the Signpost? T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) talk 11:10, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
With the increased focus on article assessment, spurred in part by rater, it seems to be a good time to look at our patchwork of WikiProject talk page templates. The features are inconsistent across the board and that makes it harder to maintain articles. Also as more editors use tools like rater the talk templates are increasingly the primary way to tag articles that need attention. Below is a table comparing templates and parameters for each project. While not every project could use, say, an audio request template, most of these could be applied to all ToL subprojects. I have been working here and there, adding image request templates primarily, and so have some copypasta code that I shall post later when I have a chance, and we can discuss the finer points. For example, would a basic image request (as most have) suffice, or would adding location parameters for the image request (à la WP:Fish) be better?
Questions:
|botanist=
for biography articles that are in WP:Plants.LMK what you think -- Nessie ( talk) 15:42, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life/Article alerts should be more useful now, and I would encourage people watchlisting this page to add it to their watchlists. For several years, ToL article alerts only issued reports for the small number of articles directly tagged for ToL. It should now be including everything in Category:Articles with 'species' microformats, which includes all articles with any infobox in the Taxobox family, as well as articles with animal breed/plant cultivar infoboxes (and some infoboxes for individual animals?). I hope the new behavior of article alerts isn't too broad (not sure individual animals should be reported), but I think @ Enwebb: might find the report useful for future editions of the ToL newsletter. Plantdrew ( talk) 05:07, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
At Crash bandicoot (species), an issue just came up that does not seem to be covered in our guidelines. [1] The guidelines state that if a genus name needs disambiguation, and if that genus is monotypic, it is best to move the article to the binomial. But what if the binomial needs disambiguation too? I moved that article from Crash (genus) to Crash bandicoot (species) following my off hand interpretation of the guidelines, but now I remember we actually have other cases where monotypic taxa with binomials that need disambiguation are at the genus level with parenthesis, such as Smok (archosaur) (to prevent clash with Smok wawelski), and Yi (dinosaur) (to prevent clash with Yi qi). What would be nicest to do in such cases? In the case of both Crash bandicoot, the full binomial is a reference to a game character, and Yi qi means strange wing, so it is the full binomials that convey a meaning (the genus and specific names have little meaning on their own, and are kind of gimmicky), so it would seem nicest to have the full binomials? FunkMonk ( talk) 02:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
The exception is when a monotypic genus name needs to be disambiguated. The article should then be at the species, since this is a more natural form of disambiguation.The species is not
a more natural form of disambiguationif it needs disambiguating. So there is no
exceptionand default genus level applies. Peter coxhead ( talk) 13:56, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
I believe this project is an appropriate venue - you are invited to participate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bulldog breeds Atsme Talk 📧 22:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Douglas Knapp left a comment here concerning the capitalization of common English names of species, particularly in the List of birds by common name but likely relevant beyond that page. I have no opinion on the issue itself and am bringing it here for a more centralized discusssion. Huon ( talk) 16:18, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Capitalise the first letter, everything else is lowercase, this applies to species that occur in England or anywhere else. ~ cygnis insignis 02:02, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 40 | ← | Archive 43 | Archive 44 | Archive 45 | Archive 46 | Archive 47 | → | Archive 50 |
I hope I'm not creating a hornets nest, but I thought i'd try to bring some order to the category listed. So initial discussions with a couple of involved editors regarding the topic suggested since we are dealing with taxa, then the category link page should link to the scientific name, whether that is a redirect or an actual article page. So if the article page uses a common name, i.e. Fin whale, then the taxa author category link should be found with the scientific name redirect ( Balaenoptera physalus, not with the actual article page of Fin whale. I agree taxa is scientific in nature, not vernacular, but my problem is maintenance. So for example, lets take Blue whale. It has a tax link for just the common name article. Others have links to both...Are people ok with duplication? In that case, The tax author may have more links (and a count) higher than the author has actually discovered. If only scientific names are used for the link, then if an editor becomes interested in adding category links to articles (like me for instance), and sees the common name article does not have a link, and i add it, then those interested would revert, i think causing a lot of maintenance issues moving forward. Also, many current common name articles have category tax author links, so a lot of work would need to be done to make the redirects up to date. There is also a problem with monotypic taxa, with species, genera, or families for instance, having redirects to the actual article. In those cases, I've been adding the tax author links to the redirects since tbey don't have actual articles. In addition there are categories for animal, plant and general tax authors. There is a preference for keeping the general one, and eliminating the plant and animal ones? I also know categories in general are all over the place regarding maintenance priorities, with some in better shape than others.. i'd be interested in any feedback. Sorry if i am causing issues..... Pvmoutside ( talk) 18:39, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
by article page, whether that is common name or scientific name, ... is how described in year pages are currently organized. As Plantdrew has noted, it varies by project, but plants are usually categorized at the scientific name, whether that's the article or the redirect.
I opened a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Palaeontology#Guidelines_on_article_creation, for those with an interest in notability. cygnis insignis 04:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
There's a discussion about a possible User Group for STEM over at Meta:Talk:STEM_Wiki_User_Group. The idea would be to help coordinate, collaborate and network cross-subject, cross-wiki and cross-language to share experience and resources that may be valuable to the relevant wikiprojects. Current discussion includes preferred scope and structure. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) talk 03:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
There's a move discussion that could use some more voices Talk:Cryptomonad#Requested move 25 May 2019 -- Nessie ( talk) 14:00, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm trying to start a conversation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arthropods#Arthropoda or Euarthropoda. Any input would be appreciated. Thank you. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 03:47, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Over the last few years, the WikiJournal User Group has been building and testing a set of peer reviewed academic journals on a mediawiki platform. The main types of articles are:
Proposal: WikiJournals as a new sister project
From a Wikipedian point of view, this is a complementary system to Featured article review, but bridging the gap with external experts, implementing established scholarly practices, and generating citable, doi-linked publications.
Please take a look and support/oppose/comment! T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) talk 11:09, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Quick question: are taxonomy templates in use for synonyms, and if not, do we care enough to delete them when present? I ask because I just created Template:Taxonomy/Procerosaurus before realizing that this was a synonym. CSD y/n? -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 21:55, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
It has recently come to my attention that not only is there a highly active Wikimedia Discord Server, it also has a #wpbiology channel! See Wikipedia:Discord for more details.
There is now a link to this on the WP:BIOL main page, but I also wanted to advertise it here. I would love for more people to join, and I hope it will prove a major resource to us going forward as we improve WP:BIOL and its subprojects. I cannot emphasize how refreshing it can be to talk in real time (or even in voice channels!) rather than in talk pages.
Come join! Prometheus720 ( talk) 05:35, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, right now the category has more than 59 thousands templates. Speaking for other language Wikipedias, every project would need to import these 59 thousand templates. Is there no other way or simpler way to do the taxonomy infobox, or if there's already talks going on about it (on Wikidata or something), could anybody point it out for me? Thanks. Bennylin ( talk) 15:03, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Is there any interest in a Tree of Life newsletter? I was looking through other WikiProjects with newsletters and became interested in starting one up for ToL. I'm willing to do most of the legwork & all that, but just wanted to check and see if there would be editors interested in reading such a newsletter, which would be the whole point :)
As far as specifics, I think a key component would be a round-up of GAs/FAs in ToL and an overview of any news/changes/discussions among the subprojects. It doesn't need to be very long & probably shouldn't be--I like the length of WikiProject Children's literature's newsletter. Probably quarterly or every other month. Open to feedback/suggestions. Enwebb ( talk) 21:55, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Striking while the iron is hot, I invite any interested editors to subscribe to the promised newsletter here. Thanks, Enwebb ( talk) 00:00, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
I just came across the newsletter. I love it! There are a few newsletters about the place. I wonder whether it could be good to have them linked to or summariced as a regular section of the Signpost? T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) talk 11:10, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
With the increased focus on article assessment, spurred in part by rater, it seems to be a good time to look at our patchwork of WikiProject talk page templates. The features are inconsistent across the board and that makes it harder to maintain articles. Also as more editors use tools like rater the talk templates are increasingly the primary way to tag articles that need attention. Below is a table comparing templates and parameters for each project. While not every project could use, say, an audio request template, most of these could be applied to all ToL subprojects. I have been working here and there, adding image request templates primarily, and so have some copypasta code that I shall post later when I have a chance, and we can discuss the finer points. For example, would a basic image request (as most have) suffice, or would adding location parameters for the image request (à la WP:Fish) be better?
Questions:
|botanist=
for biography articles that are in WP:Plants.LMK what you think -- Nessie ( talk) 15:42, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life/Article alerts should be more useful now, and I would encourage people watchlisting this page to add it to their watchlists. For several years, ToL article alerts only issued reports for the small number of articles directly tagged for ToL. It should now be including everything in Category:Articles with 'species' microformats, which includes all articles with any infobox in the Taxobox family, as well as articles with animal breed/plant cultivar infoboxes (and some infoboxes for individual animals?). I hope the new behavior of article alerts isn't too broad (not sure individual animals should be reported), but I think @ Enwebb: might find the report useful for future editions of the ToL newsletter. Plantdrew ( talk) 05:07, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
At Crash bandicoot (species), an issue just came up that does not seem to be covered in our guidelines. [1] The guidelines state that if a genus name needs disambiguation, and if that genus is monotypic, it is best to move the article to the binomial. But what if the binomial needs disambiguation too? I moved that article from Crash (genus) to Crash bandicoot (species) following my off hand interpretation of the guidelines, but now I remember we actually have other cases where monotypic taxa with binomials that need disambiguation are at the genus level with parenthesis, such as Smok (archosaur) (to prevent clash with Smok wawelski), and Yi (dinosaur) (to prevent clash with Yi qi). What would be nicest to do in such cases? In the case of both Crash bandicoot, the full binomial is a reference to a game character, and Yi qi means strange wing, so it is the full binomials that convey a meaning (the genus and specific names have little meaning on their own, and are kind of gimmicky), so it would seem nicest to have the full binomials? FunkMonk ( talk) 02:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
The exception is when a monotypic genus name needs to be disambiguated. The article should then be at the species, since this is a more natural form of disambiguation.The species is not
a more natural form of disambiguationif it needs disambiguating. So there is no
exceptionand default genus level applies. Peter coxhead ( talk) 13:56, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
I believe this project is an appropriate venue - you are invited to participate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bulldog breeds Atsme Talk 📧 22:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Douglas Knapp left a comment here concerning the capitalization of common English names of species, particularly in the List of birds by common name but likely relevant beyond that page. I have no opinion on the issue itself and am bringing it here for a more centralized discusssion. Huon ( talk) 16:18, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Capitalise the first letter, everything else is lowercase, this applies to species that occur in England or anywhere else. ~ cygnis insignis 02:02, 10 August 2019 (UTC)