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At talk:List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming, user:KimDabelsteinPetersen is insisting that the minute a person dies, he or she must be removed from this list, since dead people have no opinions. Michael Hardy ( talk) 20:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Physics of the Impossible has been nominated for deletion. 70.29.208.129 ( talk) 07:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
In the article Physics of the Impossible a single editor removed material that I believe, very much enhanced this article. The other editor’s view is that the removed material was off topic. My view is that it is very much on topic.
The current article is here: (current)
The version which I restored is at my sub page here: (restored)
Everything that was removed is related to the book. This is because, as the author writes: “The material in this book ranges over many fields and disciplines, as well as the work of many outstanding scientists.” There is a two and one half page list of the individuals, “who have graciously given their time for lengthy interviews, consultations, and interesting, stimulating conversations.” Most on this list happen to be scientists. I listed only the first 22 individuals and these are scientists. In addition, I linked their names to their biography on Wikipedia. I also listed each scientist’s fields of specialties. Many on the list in the article have more than one field of specialty (view here), and hence this reflects the breadth of knowledge contained in this book. If you look at this section in the restored article you will see what I mean.
In addition, before this material was removed by the one editor, the article was much more interactive. It was also more in line with the intent of Wikipedia that that the readers (as well as the editors) have a satisfying experience with Wikipedia. One aspect of this more satisfying experience is being able to access the knowledge that is available at Wikipedia on the sciences, and, perhaps, the mathematics. So, I linked not only the names on the list, but also many of their scientific disciplines to the respective Wikipedia article. Accessing this knowledge supports the following WikiProjects and their respective portals: (there are more I am sure)
Also, there were graphics that were removed which support the article and the concepts in the book. I believe these should be restored as well. These are on the restored article page, at my sub page. The captions of the graphics show that the book is grounded in real science. If you scroll through the restored article you will see the variety of graphics. I believe these enhance the article aesthetically, as well as help to give a clearer picture of the concepts contained in the book and the article.
Lastly, there were external links that were removed which reflect the concepts in the book. These external links were removed as though they were not relevant. For example, I will list some of the external links, and then the page number in the book, to which each link is related:
Unfortunately the external links that were removed are going to have to be restored one at a time, because they cannot be cut and pasted back from the revision history without some distortion. I think these external links should also, be restored to the article.
I think the bottom line is, let common sense decide. Even Wikipedia guidelines say that they are just guidelines, not letter of the law.
I would appreciate a consensus on whether or not to keep the removed material. Please place your comments here: Consensus please. This is on the talk page of Physics of the Impossible.
Thanks for your time Ti-30X ( talk) 13:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
This page needs eyes. Simonm223 ( talk) 19:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
There is a proposal to delete this large, comprehensive article about Christian violence. I am pretty sure the proposal is another religiously motivated one. We could use some rational input at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian violence. Pontiff Greg Bard ( talk) 18:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
[The following comment of mine appeared today on the PK Talk page.]
Michael Shermer's The Skeptics Society issued a call to skeptics yesterday to actively "fix" paranormal topics on Wikipedia. See: eSkeptic, July 22, 2009 article: "Fix Wikipedia." Sample of the advice given: ". . . just go to the Wikipedia article for your favorite paranormal topic and see what needs fixing!" I mention this here in case there is a sudden surge of edit wars, as I note the [Psychokinesis] article had the pseudoscience category added at the bottom today. I am not adverse to skeptical input, as I was a long-time member of a skeptics organization myself and have added much of it to the article. I just want to make sure there is balance in the article. We long time editors have had many discussions about this. I don't want to have to restart those if possible. Thanks. 5Q5 ( talk) 18:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
I was hoping to meet some experts who specialize in new-age spiritual practices like Falun Gong and help out in the on-going POV-pushing by Falun Gong practitioners on pages such as Falun Gong, Li Hongzhi (its founder) and the entire family of articles. The abuse that has went on in these articles is truly astonishing. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Colipon+( T) 17:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
There's an editor over in fringe theories who is adding notability tags to a large number of our articles at once. I told him he should have brought it up over here instead, he of course claims to be "helping us". Yes, marking James Oberg non-notable is lots of help, thanks. Anyway, if you want to see the list of what he's done, it is here:
Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Skeptisism_related_articles_that_currently_do_not_meet_WP:N
We need to do some cleanup work on those articles asap or I expect other editors over there are gonna start hurling AfDs. -- Krelnik ( talk) 00:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Prophecy of the Popes is, unsurprisingly, loaded with WP:OR, nonsensical, and un-cited material. It's been tagged "May contain original research or unverified claims" since September 2008 and "Needs additional citations for verification" since August 2008. Anybody interested in looking at this? -- 201.37.230.43 ( talk) 19:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Dunno if this is old news, but we have an article Examination of Apollo Moon photographs, which "is a sub-article to Apollo Moon Landing hoax theories". -- 201.37.230.43 ( talk) 19:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Cleaning up copyvios, I came upon article Bonghan theory. This is far outside of my area, so I'm unsure if I should tag it for your project or not. (It seems to be related to acupuncture, which is tagged for your project.) I haven't done, but wanted to bring it up to you so you could do so yourselves if appropriate. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:02, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I've added the template of WikiProject Rational Skepticism to Sathya Sai Baba - "South Indian guru, religious figure, and orator.... described by his devotees as an Avatar, Godman, Spiritual teacher and miracle worker."
While his religious teachings are presumably outside the scope of this WikiProject, there have also been a number of claims that he has worked " miracles", which topic is presumably germane here.
Please note that Sathya Sai Baba is "a controversial topic that may be under dispute" and that the article must conform to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons: "Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libellous." -- 201.37.230.43 ( talk) 00:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I've been asked to stop changing dates. What's Wikipedia policy? Is this Wizard within his rights? Proxima Centauri ( talk) 13:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I've found Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/BCE-CE Debate. Proxima Centauri ( talk) 14:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I have found evidence of original research and abuse of sources in this article, and have suggested it for featured article review here: Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Parapsychology/archive1 Shoemaker's Holiday Over 193 FCs served 18:53, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Have a look at this. More ancient astronaut fun. Simonm223 ( talk) 13:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Reliable sources have indicated that Falun Gong's concept of karma is that it is a black substance in the body, and that health and spiritual benefits can be achieved if that black substance is converted to a white substance through meditation and right living. I was wondering if the editors here know of any sources which specifically address these claims of Falun Gong, and what they have to say about them. Please feel free to respond on the main Talk:Falun Gong page, preferably in the Talk:Falun Gong#Karma section. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 14:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Proposed merging Exopolitics into Michael Salla, discuss here. Simonm223 ( talk) 18:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Multiple discussions have been ongoing in recent weeks about issues with the Precognition article, including whether it is a paranormal topic and how it is to be defined. There are only two editors involved, and we need additional contributions to work towards consensus. Thanks in advance for any contribution, MartinPoulter ( talk) 11:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
For anyone interested, there's a discussion currently in play over at talk:2012 millenarianism (recently renamed from 2012 doomsday prediction) about what should be the most appropriate name for this article, with its scope covering various 2012-related speculations/predictions/theorising/phenomena. Arguments for/against various current title proposals are at Talk:2012_millenarianism#Definition_of_Millenarianism and Talk:2012_millenarianism#Formal_discussion_on_page_name, and there's an open poll at Talk:2012_millenarianism#Title_of_article_--_the_.28single_transferable.29_vote.21. Contribs & thoughts welcomed.-- cjllw ʘ TALK 03:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
This article suggests that Dowsing could be a real phenomenon. The problem is that the author has references to back it up, one a 1990 book and the other a paper. Obviously we know that dowsing is garbage and that those sources must be bogus, but unfortunately that isn't how science works. How does this project usually deal with this type of problem? Should I scrub the pro-Dowsing studies and reference my physics textbook? :) .froth. ( talk) 01:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Any editors who have knowledge of the subject are encouraged to watch the article. There is currently an ANI thread regarding this topic, and one of the editors involved specifically says that having more editors involved would have be useful in keeping the article up to par. John Carter ( talk) 19:40, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
A stated goal of this project is "To identify cases of fraud and other unethical/illegal activities undertaken by religious and quasi-religious organizations, as they often go unreported." Begs the question - how is that not WP:OR? If the goal is not the reporting of otherwise-unreported (therefore un verifiable) "facts", then what actually is it? Either this is an untenable goal, or, it needs to be re-worded. -- 71.198.34.87 ( talk) 21:19, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Electronic water conditioning might need a hand to get out of the POV! -- Stone ( talk) 20:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I made these edits but Slp1 thinks my source was unreliable. Is it unreliable and if it is can anyone find a better source? Proxima Centauri ( talk) 13:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I thought a bit, since no one humanist speaks for all humanists the quote isn’t entirely representative, I took that into account and edited again, let’s see what they make of this. Proxima Centauri ( talk) 15:13, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Having been rewritten since August of this year, Confirmation bias (mid-importance for this project) has now been reviewed as a Good Article. Thanks to User:Neramesh for being such a patient and informed reviewer. I intend to take it on towards FA status, and plan to use material from the article to improve adjacent articles such as Illusory correlation and Attitude polarization. MartinPoulter ( talk) 13:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Rom Houben currently a subject of controversy. -- Writtenonsand ( talk) 02:58, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New England Institute of Religious Research. Thank you for your time, Cirt ( talk) 06:10, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
The pages Bipedalism and Aquatic ape hypothesis have both recently come under heavy and persistent dispute due to two users who insist on promoting their version of Aquatic ape hypothesis and expunging as much criticism of the idea as possible. At the moment, it's just me and one other user fending them off, so any help would be greatly appreciated (especially since I'm off to the SICB meeting on Sunday and the other user seems to be gone for Xmas). Mokele ( talk) 16:02, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I have no objection to rational skepticism but when skeptics rule things out without evidence or use the same distortion tactics that pseudo scientists use this is pseudo skepticism. When a member of the skeptic community does this they give some people the wrong impression. There seems to be at least one over eager member of this project who fits that criterion. User:Simonm223 has a history of deleting information without doing the research or following the proper discussion procedures. Doing this is counterproductive. When people see the inappropriate procedures some people including him use it makes all truly rational skeptics look bad. This could give the appearance of a pseudo skeptic purge which will only backfire. I suggest other rational skeptics take a look at his history and let him know if you think he is going to far at times. Zacherystaylor ( talk) 18:52, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
I will not retract anything. I have made a valid statement. I have no doubt that a thorough look at his history will back it up. Simonm seems to be making it easy by changing the headline to a personal attack acusation. Good day Zacherystaylor ( talk) 19:09, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Warn me again and report me if you like it wont change the fact that you are acting like a pseudo skeptic. If you report me they may also look into whether you check your work before deleting things. They may also not that you have changed my edit twice to make this seem like a personal dispute. here and here. I'm not going to waste my time on you anymore. Good day Zacherystaylor ( talk) 14:47, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
(backdent) Zachary (et al.), I feel it is important to point out that Wikipedia is not a place for humor and this thread is getting to be a bellyacher. 018 ( talk) 01:02, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
The recent comments by user numbers weren't me. I haven't taken a close look at what Simonm has done recently so I can't comment on whether he is still using disruptive behavior but he has a history of it. Being a rational skeptic takes time. Doubting is easy but in order to find out for sure research is necessary; this may lead to ruling things in or out just like any other scientific field. You don't decide what is true before doing the research or reviewing the research done by others. Since I’m not familiar with the Global Consciousness Project I will not comment on it. Good day Zacherystaylor ( talk) 15:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I think that cherry picking of recent marginal studies has been used in violation of WP:PRIMARY, but I'm not sure since this is not my area of expertise.
Last version of the article before recent changes: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Magnet_therapy&oldid=325188392
Current version of the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Magnet_therapy&oldid=328245274
Please, somebody take a look. -- mav (please help review urgent FAC and FARs) 03:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Volney Mathison. Thank you for your time, Cirt ( talk) 11:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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Please see Talk:Another_Gospel#RfC:_NPOV_and_article_Another_Gospel. Thank you for your time, Cirt ( talk) 00:23, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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Please come to the talk page and help develop this into a good article. -- Brangifer ( talk) 05:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
I've done a lot of work to clean up this stinking pile of nonsense. Any help & guidance would be appreciated. Thanks -- Salimfadhley ( talk) 23:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Bob Park's "What's New" newsletter of March 5, 2010 has an item on the Newman machine, and has this to say about the above article:
Coverage of the Joe Newman case in Wikipedia is terrible. It's a remarkably useful encyclopedia, but you need to verify.
I'm not at all familiar with this subject, and wouldn't know where to begin in improving the article, nor do I know in what way Park feels the article is faulty. I did want to point this out, though, so that someone who is knowledgable about the subject can do whatever clean-up is necessary. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 18:43, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Please, go make your voice heard in the discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reverse scientific method! Rursus dixit. ( mbork3!) 13:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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A discussion has been started at Wikipedia_talk:Categorization#Is_the_paranormal_pseudoscience.3F. Unomi ( talk) 05:52, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Have just added Larry Kusche to the Rational skepticism wikiproject - some references to writings by Gian Quasar look unreliable. I've mentioned an article by Joe Nickell in the talk page, but some of you might be more familiar with Quasars' writing and might be able to check it. Autarch ( talk) 12:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I have posted at WP:MED and WP:SKEPTIC as this Arbcom affects these projects. TM makes a number of health claims including improving BP, anxiety, and living forever. A member of Arbcom has concluded that the ongoing debates is "really about conflicting philosophies" and that "on the one hand we have, for want of a better word, mysticism; on the other, rationalism." [1] Wondering if others could comment as this does pertain directly with our topic area. Thanks Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 00:23, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
FYI, 1421: The Year China Discovered the World has been controversially merged into Gavin Menzies. An RfC has been opened on the issue, see Talk:1421: The Year China Discovered the World
70.29.208.247 ( talk) 03:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
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Request for Comment at page, List of Scientologists. Please see discussion on talk page, at "RfC: Should people be self-proclaimed Scientologists in order to be included on this list?" Thank you for your time, -- Cirt ( talk) 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Please see discussion, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Eichel. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt ( talk) 22:42, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Confirmation bias, which is rated as mid-importance for this wikiproject, has passed FAC. This brings the total number of FA-class Rational Skepticism articles to 11. The article touches on several topics which are directly relevant to rational skepticism and the paranormal, and the sources it uses may be relevant to other articles about skepticism, scientific controversies and the paranormal. MartinPoulter ( talk) 11:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I tried to edit the webpage on demonic possession trying to change a bit the “sound” of the introduction, where claims about demonic possession and the differences with other forms or “spiritual possessions” are treated as a matter of fact, like if demonic possession was an everyday fact, but they were reverted. I just wanted to bring this to the attention of this group, because reading that article one might think that demonic possession is something that happens everyday… at least to me. Sorry if I’m wrong, I’m ready to edit that article a bit adding something like “according to believers in demonic possession” or something, and I’d put some “alleged” here and there because honestly I feel that that article doesn’t explain well enough that demonic possession is just an unsopported claim and not a fact… Again, correct me if I’m wrong and I’m the only one seeing that article in this way. 189.140.64.231 ( talk) 17:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.140.64.231 ( talk) 17:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
On the methodological assumption that rational skeptics will take care to look up reliable sources, you may find it helpful while reading or editing articles to look at a bibliography of Intelligence Citations, posted for the use of all Wikipedians who have occasion to edit articles on human intelligence and related issues. I happen to have circulating access to a huge academic research library at a university with an active research program in those issues (and to another library that is one of the ten largest public library systems in the United States) and have been researching these issues since 1989. You are welcome to use these citations for your own research. You can help other Wikipedians by suggesting new sources through comments on that page. I notice in my reading of periodicals about skepticism that the English-language skeptical community is by no means united in point of view about IQ testing or the implications of IQ testing, so I especially welcome your participation on talk pages of related articles as we discuss what the sources mean. -- WeijiBaikeBianji ( talk) 17:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Hello,
I recently added a section on Spiritual Healing to the Faith Healing page on Wikipedia which was subsequently removed. Could someone please have a look at it and suggest how I could change it so that it's acceptable, or whether it should be replaced by a link to the following page. http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/ComplementaryandAlternativeMedicine/MindBodyandSpirit/shamanism
(the talk:Bullragifer link seems to get redirected here)
Thank you
Adrian-from-london ( talk) 00:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I need to do some more research on this, but I think that the Rife article needs to have some information on the real scientific work that his expirimentation ultimately lead to. While there were serious flaws in his theories of "certain frequencies of electromagnetic radiation killing disease-causing microbes and viruses", there have been real advancements in similar concepts. For example high-intensity UV lights are used to sterilize surfaces in everything from dentist's offices to hair parlors, and radiological therapy for cancer uses high intensity beams of radiation, protons, ect. to destroy cancerous cells, in many ways similar to the real research that he did.
This has to be done carefully, obviously, given the claims of others surrounding his work.
This is an important aspect of this article, however, as the man himself was disturbed by the quackery his work resulted in. He never claimed to have a cure for cancer (in fact the article references a quote in which he explicitly refutes the claim), but only some unsual results from a series of tests bombarding microbes with various high energy beams of light, radio waves, ect. resulting in the apparent death of microbes. To do justice to the man who was not a quack but a fringe scientist with a flawed but not entirely incorrect theory, this information should be at least acknowledged. -- Scorpion451 rant 17:46, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
The link [2] Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 21:32, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
There's a discussion you might be interested in about how to incorporate and how (or if) to attribute a medical source which concluded that "the risks of spinal manipulation to the neck by far outweigh the benefits". It is currently the final sentence of the article's introduction. Familiarity with WP:NPOV, WP:ASF, WP:MEDRS, and WP:MEDASSESS would be helpful. Thanks! Ocaasi ( talk) 09:43, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Can this be added somewhere on your lists. It's a bit of a poor cousin in the pseudoscience world as it is mainly aimed at fostered and adopted children. There is however a taskforce report on it commissioned by APSAC, a number of peer reviewed criticisms, several controversial cases resulting from the deaths of children subjected to techniques, and a concerted attempt to silence critics by the use of the DMCA, website spamming and other means. Fainites barley scribs 13:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
The article for this creationist is a textbook example of a borderline notability article written with oodles of weasel words in order to encourage a bias that his religious philosophy is scientific. Needs correction. Simonm223 ( talk) 19:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
I would like to request the help of someone who has detailed knowledge about
laetrile/
amygdalin in reviewing the article on
Ernst T. Krebs, who promoted this (toxic) substance as an anti-cancer agent. The article is currently being transformed into an advertising text for laetrile, citing various dubious sources apparently in favour of its efficacy, and linking to websites connected to conspiracy theories and "alternative medicine".
For those who don't know about laetrile, there is a
detailed report about its story on Quackwatch.
Any help would be appreciated.
--
Shinryuu (
talk)
23:13, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
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Thank you for your time, -- Cirt ( talk) 18:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi all! I was hoping to get some eyes on the hippotherapy article, which seems to have been a target of whitewashing. I've tried to improve things, but I have to admit a little reluctance to go the whole hog and strip out massive amounts of text. This CAM technique is periodically used to treat a variety of conditions, particularly cerebal palsy and other developmental disorders of children, by placing the patient on horseback in a variety of positions.
I am concerned because the article text has been bulked up with very favorable claims and descriptions despite there being little quality research into its effectiveness. In one recent edit, a new editor changed the article's claims of efficacy to the opposite of what the supplied reference states. The same editor appears to have a relationship to the American Hippotherapy Association. I am hoping that the experienced folks of this project might be able to help sort through the information out there to present a more balanced and reasonable view of this subject. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 15:21, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
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At talk:List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming, user:KimDabelsteinPetersen is insisting that the minute a person dies, he or she must be removed from this list, since dead people have no opinions. Michael Hardy ( talk) 20:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Physics of the Impossible has been nominated for deletion. 70.29.208.129 ( talk) 07:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
In the article Physics of the Impossible a single editor removed material that I believe, very much enhanced this article. The other editor’s view is that the removed material was off topic. My view is that it is very much on topic.
The current article is here: (current)
The version which I restored is at my sub page here: (restored)
Everything that was removed is related to the book. This is because, as the author writes: “The material in this book ranges over many fields and disciplines, as well as the work of many outstanding scientists.” There is a two and one half page list of the individuals, “who have graciously given their time for lengthy interviews, consultations, and interesting, stimulating conversations.” Most on this list happen to be scientists. I listed only the first 22 individuals and these are scientists. In addition, I linked their names to their biography on Wikipedia. I also listed each scientist’s fields of specialties. Many on the list in the article have more than one field of specialty (view here), and hence this reflects the breadth of knowledge contained in this book. If you look at this section in the restored article you will see what I mean.
In addition, before this material was removed by the one editor, the article was much more interactive. It was also more in line with the intent of Wikipedia that that the readers (as well as the editors) have a satisfying experience with Wikipedia. One aspect of this more satisfying experience is being able to access the knowledge that is available at Wikipedia on the sciences, and, perhaps, the mathematics. So, I linked not only the names on the list, but also many of their scientific disciplines to the respective Wikipedia article. Accessing this knowledge supports the following WikiProjects and their respective portals: (there are more I am sure)
Also, there were graphics that were removed which support the article and the concepts in the book. I believe these should be restored as well. These are on the restored article page, at my sub page. The captions of the graphics show that the book is grounded in real science. If you scroll through the restored article you will see the variety of graphics. I believe these enhance the article aesthetically, as well as help to give a clearer picture of the concepts contained in the book and the article.
Lastly, there were external links that were removed which reflect the concepts in the book. These external links were removed as though they were not relevant. For example, I will list some of the external links, and then the page number in the book, to which each link is related:
Unfortunately the external links that were removed are going to have to be restored one at a time, because they cannot be cut and pasted back from the revision history without some distortion. I think these external links should also, be restored to the article.
I think the bottom line is, let common sense decide. Even Wikipedia guidelines say that they are just guidelines, not letter of the law.
I would appreciate a consensus on whether or not to keep the removed material. Please place your comments here: Consensus please. This is on the talk page of Physics of the Impossible.
Thanks for your time Ti-30X ( talk) 13:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
This page needs eyes. Simonm223 ( talk) 19:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
There is a proposal to delete this large, comprehensive article about Christian violence. I am pretty sure the proposal is another religiously motivated one. We could use some rational input at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian violence. Pontiff Greg Bard ( talk) 18:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
[The following comment of mine appeared today on the PK Talk page.]
Michael Shermer's The Skeptics Society issued a call to skeptics yesterday to actively "fix" paranormal topics on Wikipedia. See: eSkeptic, July 22, 2009 article: "Fix Wikipedia." Sample of the advice given: ". . . just go to the Wikipedia article for your favorite paranormal topic and see what needs fixing!" I mention this here in case there is a sudden surge of edit wars, as I note the [Psychokinesis] article had the pseudoscience category added at the bottom today. I am not adverse to skeptical input, as I was a long-time member of a skeptics organization myself and have added much of it to the article. I just want to make sure there is balance in the article. We long time editors have had many discussions about this. I don't want to have to restart those if possible. Thanks. 5Q5 ( talk) 18:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
I was hoping to meet some experts who specialize in new-age spiritual practices like Falun Gong and help out in the on-going POV-pushing by Falun Gong practitioners on pages such as Falun Gong, Li Hongzhi (its founder) and the entire family of articles. The abuse that has went on in these articles is truly astonishing. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Colipon+( T) 17:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
There's an editor over in fringe theories who is adding notability tags to a large number of our articles at once. I told him he should have brought it up over here instead, he of course claims to be "helping us". Yes, marking James Oberg non-notable is lots of help, thanks. Anyway, if you want to see the list of what he's done, it is here:
Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Skeptisism_related_articles_that_currently_do_not_meet_WP:N
We need to do some cleanup work on those articles asap or I expect other editors over there are gonna start hurling AfDs. -- Krelnik ( talk) 00:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Prophecy of the Popes is, unsurprisingly, loaded with WP:OR, nonsensical, and un-cited material. It's been tagged "May contain original research or unverified claims" since September 2008 and "Needs additional citations for verification" since August 2008. Anybody interested in looking at this? -- 201.37.230.43 ( talk) 19:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Dunno if this is old news, but we have an article Examination of Apollo Moon photographs, which "is a sub-article to Apollo Moon Landing hoax theories". -- 201.37.230.43 ( talk) 19:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Cleaning up copyvios, I came upon article Bonghan theory. This is far outside of my area, so I'm unsure if I should tag it for your project or not. (It seems to be related to acupuncture, which is tagged for your project.) I haven't done, but wanted to bring it up to you so you could do so yourselves if appropriate. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:02, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I've added the template of WikiProject Rational Skepticism to Sathya Sai Baba - "South Indian guru, religious figure, and orator.... described by his devotees as an Avatar, Godman, Spiritual teacher and miracle worker."
While his religious teachings are presumably outside the scope of this WikiProject, there have also been a number of claims that he has worked " miracles", which topic is presumably germane here.
Please note that Sathya Sai Baba is "a controversial topic that may be under dispute" and that the article must conform to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons: "Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libellous." -- 201.37.230.43 ( talk) 00:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I've been asked to stop changing dates. What's Wikipedia policy? Is this Wizard within his rights? Proxima Centauri ( talk) 13:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I've found Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/BCE-CE Debate. Proxima Centauri ( talk) 14:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I have found evidence of original research and abuse of sources in this article, and have suggested it for featured article review here: Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Parapsychology/archive1 Shoemaker's Holiday Over 193 FCs served 18:53, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Have a look at this. More ancient astronaut fun. Simonm223 ( talk) 13:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Reliable sources have indicated that Falun Gong's concept of karma is that it is a black substance in the body, and that health and spiritual benefits can be achieved if that black substance is converted to a white substance through meditation and right living. I was wondering if the editors here know of any sources which specifically address these claims of Falun Gong, and what they have to say about them. Please feel free to respond on the main Talk:Falun Gong page, preferably in the Talk:Falun Gong#Karma section. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 14:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Proposed merging Exopolitics into Michael Salla, discuss here. Simonm223 ( talk) 18:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Multiple discussions have been ongoing in recent weeks about issues with the Precognition article, including whether it is a paranormal topic and how it is to be defined. There are only two editors involved, and we need additional contributions to work towards consensus. Thanks in advance for any contribution, MartinPoulter ( talk) 11:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
For anyone interested, there's a discussion currently in play over at talk:2012 millenarianism (recently renamed from 2012 doomsday prediction) about what should be the most appropriate name for this article, with its scope covering various 2012-related speculations/predictions/theorising/phenomena. Arguments for/against various current title proposals are at Talk:2012_millenarianism#Definition_of_Millenarianism and Talk:2012_millenarianism#Formal_discussion_on_page_name, and there's an open poll at Talk:2012_millenarianism#Title_of_article_--_the_.28single_transferable.29_vote.21. Contribs & thoughts welcomed.-- cjllw ʘ TALK 03:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
This article suggests that Dowsing could be a real phenomenon. The problem is that the author has references to back it up, one a 1990 book and the other a paper. Obviously we know that dowsing is garbage and that those sources must be bogus, but unfortunately that isn't how science works. How does this project usually deal with this type of problem? Should I scrub the pro-Dowsing studies and reference my physics textbook? :) .froth. ( talk) 01:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Any editors who have knowledge of the subject are encouraged to watch the article. There is currently an ANI thread regarding this topic, and one of the editors involved specifically says that having more editors involved would have be useful in keeping the article up to par. John Carter ( talk) 19:40, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
A stated goal of this project is "To identify cases of fraud and other unethical/illegal activities undertaken by religious and quasi-religious organizations, as they often go unreported." Begs the question - how is that not WP:OR? If the goal is not the reporting of otherwise-unreported (therefore un verifiable) "facts", then what actually is it? Either this is an untenable goal, or, it needs to be re-worded. -- 71.198.34.87 ( talk) 21:19, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Electronic water conditioning might need a hand to get out of the POV! -- Stone ( talk) 20:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I made these edits but Slp1 thinks my source was unreliable. Is it unreliable and if it is can anyone find a better source? Proxima Centauri ( talk) 13:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I thought a bit, since no one humanist speaks for all humanists the quote isn’t entirely representative, I took that into account and edited again, let’s see what they make of this. Proxima Centauri ( talk) 15:13, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Having been rewritten since August of this year, Confirmation bias (mid-importance for this project) has now been reviewed as a Good Article. Thanks to User:Neramesh for being such a patient and informed reviewer. I intend to take it on towards FA status, and plan to use material from the article to improve adjacent articles such as Illusory correlation and Attitude polarization. MartinPoulter ( talk) 13:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Rom Houben currently a subject of controversy. -- Writtenonsand ( talk) 02:58, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New England Institute of Religious Research. Thank you for your time, Cirt ( talk) 06:10, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
The pages Bipedalism and Aquatic ape hypothesis have both recently come under heavy and persistent dispute due to two users who insist on promoting their version of Aquatic ape hypothesis and expunging as much criticism of the idea as possible. At the moment, it's just me and one other user fending them off, so any help would be greatly appreciated (especially since I'm off to the SICB meeting on Sunday and the other user seems to be gone for Xmas). Mokele ( talk) 16:02, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I have no objection to rational skepticism but when skeptics rule things out without evidence or use the same distortion tactics that pseudo scientists use this is pseudo skepticism. When a member of the skeptic community does this they give some people the wrong impression. There seems to be at least one over eager member of this project who fits that criterion. User:Simonm223 has a history of deleting information without doing the research or following the proper discussion procedures. Doing this is counterproductive. When people see the inappropriate procedures some people including him use it makes all truly rational skeptics look bad. This could give the appearance of a pseudo skeptic purge which will only backfire. I suggest other rational skeptics take a look at his history and let him know if you think he is going to far at times. Zacherystaylor ( talk) 18:52, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
I will not retract anything. I have made a valid statement. I have no doubt that a thorough look at his history will back it up. Simonm seems to be making it easy by changing the headline to a personal attack acusation. Good day Zacherystaylor ( talk) 19:09, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Warn me again and report me if you like it wont change the fact that you are acting like a pseudo skeptic. If you report me they may also look into whether you check your work before deleting things. They may also not that you have changed my edit twice to make this seem like a personal dispute. here and here. I'm not going to waste my time on you anymore. Good day Zacherystaylor ( talk) 14:47, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
(backdent) Zachary (et al.), I feel it is important to point out that Wikipedia is not a place for humor and this thread is getting to be a bellyacher. 018 ( talk) 01:02, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
The recent comments by user numbers weren't me. I haven't taken a close look at what Simonm has done recently so I can't comment on whether he is still using disruptive behavior but he has a history of it. Being a rational skeptic takes time. Doubting is easy but in order to find out for sure research is necessary; this may lead to ruling things in or out just like any other scientific field. You don't decide what is true before doing the research or reviewing the research done by others. Since I’m not familiar with the Global Consciousness Project I will not comment on it. Good day Zacherystaylor ( talk) 15:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I think that cherry picking of recent marginal studies has been used in violation of WP:PRIMARY, but I'm not sure since this is not my area of expertise.
Last version of the article before recent changes: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Magnet_therapy&oldid=325188392
Current version of the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Magnet_therapy&oldid=328245274
Please, somebody take a look. -- mav (please help review urgent FAC and FARs) 03:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Volney Mathison. Thank you for your time, Cirt ( talk) 11:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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Please see Talk:Another_Gospel#RfC:_NPOV_and_article_Another_Gospel. Thank you for your time, Cirt ( talk) 00:23, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
The article Prescription drug has been tagged as being within the scope of this project. WikiProjects have absolute control over their scope -- if you want to support the article, then you certainly may -- but the connection to core areas of your scope (mysticism, pseudoscience, and paranormal claims) seems a bit tenuous to me, so it's possible that it was tagged in error. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 23:58, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Outrageous_Betrayal#RfC:_Removal_of_words_Is_and_Was. Thank you, Cirt ( talk) 04:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Please comment and help create a consensus version at Talk:Alternative_medicine#RfC:_Proposed_new_section_.22Alternative_medicine_as_mainstream.22. Thanks. -- Brangifer ( talk) 15:09, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Announcing an RfC at Talk:Ghost#RfC:_Context_of_NSF_statement_about_belief_in_ghosts. The questions being discussed are:
1. Whether the National Science Foundation is a reliable source for stating that "belief in ghosts and spirits" are " pseudoscientific beliefs".
2. Whether their expressions can be considered to represent the current scientific consensus (in the USA) on that subject.
See you there! -- Brangifer ( talk) 17:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Please come to the talk page and help develop this into a good article. -- Brangifer ( talk) 05:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
I've done a lot of work to clean up this stinking pile of nonsense. Any help & guidance would be appreciated. Thanks -- Salimfadhley ( talk) 23:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Bob Park's "What's New" newsletter of March 5, 2010 has an item on the Newman machine, and has this to say about the above article:
Coverage of the Joe Newman case in Wikipedia is terrible. It's a remarkably useful encyclopedia, but you need to verify.
I'm not at all familiar with this subject, and wouldn't know where to begin in improving the article, nor do I know in what way Park feels the article is faulty. I did want to point this out, though, so that someone who is knowledgable about the subject can do whatever clean-up is necessary. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 18:43, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Please, go make your voice heard in the discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reverse scientific method! Rursus dixit. ( mbork3!) 13:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Please weigh in there. This is just an announcement. -- Brangifer ( talk) 05:06, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
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A discussion has been started at Wikipedia_talk:Categorization#Is_the_paranormal_pseudoscience.3F. Unomi ( talk) 05:52, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Have just added Larry Kusche to the Rational skepticism wikiproject - some references to writings by Gian Quasar look unreliable. I've mentioned an article by Joe Nickell in the talk page, but some of you might be more familiar with Quasars' writing and might be able to check it. Autarch ( talk) 12:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I have posted at WP:MED and WP:SKEPTIC as this Arbcom affects these projects. TM makes a number of health claims including improving BP, anxiety, and living forever. A member of Arbcom has concluded that the ongoing debates is "really about conflicting philosophies" and that "on the one hand we have, for want of a better word, mysticism; on the other, rationalism." [1] Wondering if others could comment as this does pertain directly with our topic area. Thanks Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 00:23, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
FYI, 1421: The Year China Discovered the World has been controversially merged into Gavin Menzies. An RfC has been opened on the issue, see Talk:1421: The Year China Discovered the World
70.29.208.247 ( talk) 03:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Consensus has been reached to use the template:
Please feel free to add it to all WP:GA rated articles within this WikiProject, in the same manner of placement used as {{ featured article}}. Thanks for all of your quality improvement work within the topic of this WikiProject! :) Cheers, -- Cirt ( talk) 15:40, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
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Anonymous editors are expurgating Dignity. Some editors (67.171.228.196--single-purpose account) (128.223.222.74--single-purpose account) are editing from Eugene, OR, USA. One editor (81.100.129.228--limited-purpose account) is editing out of Amsterdam. I would like some help to keep the vandals at bay. PYRRHON talk 22:07, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Request for Comment at page, List of Scientologists. Please see discussion on talk page, at "RfC: Should people be self-proclaimed Scientologists in order to be included on this list?" Thank you for your time, -- Cirt ( talk) 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Please see discussion, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Eichel. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt ( talk) 22:42, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Confirmation bias, which is rated as mid-importance for this wikiproject, has passed FAC. This brings the total number of FA-class Rational Skepticism articles to 11. The article touches on several topics which are directly relevant to rational skepticism and the paranormal, and the sources it uses may be relevant to other articles about skepticism, scientific controversies and the paranormal. MartinPoulter ( talk) 11:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I tried to edit the webpage on demonic possession trying to change a bit the “sound” of the introduction, where claims about demonic possession and the differences with other forms or “spiritual possessions” are treated as a matter of fact, like if demonic possession was an everyday fact, but they were reverted. I just wanted to bring this to the attention of this group, because reading that article one might think that demonic possession is something that happens everyday… at least to me. Sorry if I’m wrong, I’m ready to edit that article a bit adding something like “according to believers in demonic possession” or something, and I’d put some “alleged” here and there because honestly I feel that that article doesn’t explain well enough that demonic possession is just an unsopported claim and not a fact… Again, correct me if I’m wrong and I’m the only one seeing that article in this way. 189.140.64.231 ( talk) 17:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.140.64.231 ( talk) 17:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
On the methodological assumption that rational skeptics will take care to look up reliable sources, you may find it helpful while reading or editing articles to look at a bibliography of Intelligence Citations, posted for the use of all Wikipedians who have occasion to edit articles on human intelligence and related issues. I happen to have circulating access to a huge academic research library at a university with an active research program in those issues (and to another library that is one of the ten largest public library systems in the United States) and have been researching these issues since 1989. You are welcome to use these citations for your own research. You can help other Wikipedians by suggesting new sources through comments on that page. I notice in my reading of periodicals about skepticism that the English-language skeptical community is by no means united in point of view about IQ testing or the implications of IQ testing, so I especially welcome your participation on talk pages of related articles as we discuss what the sources mean. -- WeijiBaikeBianji ( talk) 17:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Hello,
I recently added a section on Spiritual Healing to the Faith Healing page on Wikipedia which was subsequently removed. Could someone please have a look at it and suggest how I could change it so that it's acceptable, or whether it should be replaced by a link to the following page. http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/ComplementaryandAlternativeMedicine/MindBodyandSpirit/shamanism
(the talk:Bullragifer link seems to get redirected here)
Thank you
Adrian-from-london ( talk) 00:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I need to do some more research on this, but I think that the Rife article needs to have some information on the real scientific work that his expirimentation ultimately lead to. While there were serious flaws in his theories of "certain frequencies of electromagnetic radiation killing disease-causing microbes and viruses", there have been real advancements in similar concepts. For example high-intensity UV lights are used to sterilize surfaces in everything from dentist's offices to hair parlors, and radiological therapy for cancer uses high intensity beams of radiation, protons, ect. to destroy cancerous cells, in many ways similar to the real research that he did.
This has to be done carefully, obviously, given the claims of others surrounding his work.
This is an important aspect of this article, however, as the man himself was disturbed by the quackery his work resulted in. He never claimed to have a cure for cancer (in fact the article references a quote in which he explicitly refutes the claim), but only some unsual results from a series of tests bombarding microbes with various high energy beams of light, radio waves, ect. resulting in the apparent death of microbes. To do justice to the man who was not a quack but a fringe scientist with a flawed but not entirely incorrect theory, this information should be at least acknowledged. -- Scorpion451 rant 17:46, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
The link [2] Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 21:32, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
There's a discussion you might be interested in about how to incorporate and how (or if) to attribute a medical source which concluded that "the risks of spinal manipulation to the neck by far outweigh the benefits". It is currently the final sentence of the article's introduction. Familiarity with WP:NPOV, WP:ASF, WP:MEDRS, and WP:MEDASSESS would be helpful. Thanks! Ocaasi ( talk) 09:43, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Can this be added somewhere on your lists. It's a bit of a poor cousin in the pseudoscience world as it is mainly aimed at fostered and adopted children. There is however a taskforce report on it commissioned by APSAC, a number of peer reviewed criticisms, several controversial cases resulting from the deaths of children subjected to techniques, and a concerted attempt to silence critics by the use of the DMCA, website spamming and other means. Fainites barley scribs 13:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
The article for this creationist is a textbook example of a borderline notability article written with oodles of weasel words in order to encourage a bias that his religious philosophy is scientific. Needs correction. Simonm223 ( talk) 19:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
I would like to request the help of someone who has detailed knowledge about
laetrile/
amygdalin in reviewing the article on
Ernst T. Krebs, who promoted this (toxic) substance as an anti-cancer agent. The article is currently being transformed into an advertising text for laetrile, citing various dubious sources apparently in favour of its efficacy, and linking to websites connected to conspiracy theories and "alternative medicine".
For those who don't know about laetrile, there is a
detailed report about its story on Quackwatch.
Any help would be appreciated.
--
Shinryuu (
talk)
23:13, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Please see Church of Scientology editing on Wikipedia. AFD discussion is at, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of Scientology editing on Wikipedia. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt ( talk) 22:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
The Arbitration Commmittee case on race and intelligence has just been decided. Thus articles that are either in the Race and intelligence controversy category or mentioned in the findings of the 2010 Arbitration Committee case on Race and intelligence or closely related to those are subject to active arbitration remedies that you may wish to review. The case decision seems to have resulted in an immediate improvement in the editing environment of several articles that previously were very contentious. Peaceful, collaborative editing that turns to sources and upholds Wikipedia policy is enjoyable editing. I thought I should let participants on this WikiProject Rational Skepticism know that this improved atmosphere now exists, because it has not escaped my notice that among people who agree in designating one another as rational skeptics, there are quite varied opinions on the underlying factual issues related to race and intelligence. Your participation in editing those articles is welcomed and encouraged. You can look up sources to help improve articles in the source lists I have been compiling to share with all Wikipedians. And because the source lists span several different topics, and those topics fit quite a few articles in this WikiProject in whole or in part, suggesting new sources would be a very kind thing to do. The atmosphere has improved a lot, so the articles can improve a lot. -- WeijiBaikeBianji ( talk) 02:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
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Ongoing AFD deletion discussion for this article, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jessica Rodriguez (3rd nomination). Thank you for your time, -- Cirt ( talk) 09:34, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick ( talk) 20:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
A discussion has begun about whether the article Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System, which is relevant to the subject of this WikiProject, should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
Thank you for your time, -- Cirt ( talk) 18:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi all! I was hoping to get some eyes on the hippotherapy article, which seems to have been a target of whitewashing. I've tried to improve things, but I have to admit a little reluctance to go the whole hog and strip out massive amounts of text. This CAM technique is periodically used to treat a variety of conditions, particularly cerebal palsy and other developmental disorders of children, by placing the patient on horseback in a variety of positions.
I am concerned because the article text has been bulked up with very favorable claims and descriptions despite there being little quality research into its effectiveness. In one recent edit, a new editor changed the article's claims of efficacy to the opposite of what the supplied reference states. The same editor appears to have a relationship to the American Hippotherapy Association. I am hoping that the experienced folks of this project might be able to help sort through the information out there to present a more balanced and reasonable view of this subject. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 15:21, 19 November 2010 (UTC)