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2013 in rugby union page started, collaboration welcome-- Feroang ( talk) 20:59, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello, while writing the Italian article for the said tour, I noticed that also Kyran Bracken took part to the tour ( his entry at Lionsrugby.com) though as late replacement ( here the source). -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 16:16, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello, a question. I've just uploaded the said photograph. I recognised François Trinh-Duc, Ma'a Nonu and Conrad Smith, but didn't manage to recognise the player with the black headband on the left. Does anyone recognise him? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 16:16, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
For the purposes of WP:NRU, is the Currie Cup First Division a fully professional league? Hack ( talk) 12:34, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Going back to the original question, is the league in question fully pro? Hack ( talk) 13:03, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
What is the purpose of Template:Try and Template:Kick? As far as I can see, their only purpose is to add an icon of either a ball (for a try) or a set of posts (for a conversion, penalty or drop goal). I can sort of see the relevance of the posts icon for a kick at goal, but the ball is almost completely abstract; sure, you have to ground the ball to score a try, but it's not immediately obvious that that is what it means. What does make things immediately obvious, however, is the use of the words "Try", "Con", "Pen" and "Drop" in the {{ rugbybox}} template, making the icons completely redundant. Since the icons are completely redundant, they must be there to provide decoration to the article, something that is discouraged according to WP:ICONDECORATION. Therefore, the first stage of this suggestion is to remove the icons from the templates. Without the icons, then, what do these templates become? A shortcut to make typing easier? That's not what templates are for. If the templates contained a link to an article that is often renamed, I could see a point, but it's literally just plain text with a bit of code to add an apostrophe and a comma after each number. These templates should be replaced with plain text and then deleted. – Pee Jay 12:21, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Dear rugby enthusiasts: This old abandoned Afc submission is about to be deleted as a stale draft. Should we let it go, or is this a notable player? — Anne Delong ( talk) 15:04, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Dear rugby fans: Here's another of those old abandoned Afc submissions that will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable coach, and should the article be kept? — Anne Delong ( talk) 00:07, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello rugby experts! Here's an old Afc submission about a rugby club that is about to be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable club? Should the article be saved? — Anne Delong ( talk) 18:00, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Steve Corcoran ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was brought to my attention via OTRS in September of last year. Basically the person who wrote was concerned about whether or not the subject merited inclusion, and whether the article was being used to legitimize him in the real world. I agreed that it did not, since as far as I could tell he played with a U21 squad only, and I was unable to source the rest of the claims in the bio. Beyond that it seems he's coaching another amateur team in Austin now. The article was deleted, and recreated again about a month ago. I have a bit of concern regarding the creator's account, but before I take this to AFD I'd like a strong second opinion by a subject matter expert as to whether or not he meets the notability guidelines, assuming the claims in the article are true. Thanks! § FreeRangeFrog croak 22:09, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello again rugby enthusiasts! Is this old Afc submission about a notable player, or should it be deleted as a stale draft? — Anne Delong ( talk) 23:58, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Members of this project may be interested to know that Arthur Gould (rugby union) – the famous Welsh rugby union player – has been nominated at WP:FAC. The nomination page can be viewed at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Arthur Gould (rugby union)/archive1. -- Shudde talk 23:15, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello rugby fans! Here's a brand new submission at Afc. Is this a notable player? Should the article be accepted? — Anne Delong ( talk) 03:08, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello again rugby fans. There seem to be a number of players named Bill Morris. Is this a different person from the others, and if so is this a notable player? — Anne Delong ( talk) 19:28, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
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Iterations of IRB tournaments are correctly written as 'Rugby World Cup 2011' and 'RWC 2011' etc. not ' 2011 Rugby World Cup'. The incorrect format is used throughout Wikipedia. This applies to Rugby World Cup, IRB Sevens World Series, Rugby World Cup Sevens, IRB Junior World Championship, IRB Junior World Rugby Trophy, Women's Rugby World Cup, IRB Pacific Nations Cup and IRB Nations Cup. Not only is this form the correct tournament name but it is also the most commonly used - 3.9 million Google results for the "2011 rugby world cup" as opposed to 18.2 million for "rugby world cup 2011" for example.
It is part of the verbal distinction between rugby and soccer which uses the '2014 FIFA World Cup' format.
Also, the correct name for the Rugby World Cup trophy is the Webb Ellis Cup. It is not the William Webb Ellis Cup as it is called on Rugby World Cup.
Fleckee15 ( talk) 08:08, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
It isn't a case of preference. All IRB competitions and their iterations are brands and as such have a definitive name which is in the format 'Rugby World Cup 2011' etc. This is evident on all IRB/RWCL properties and stated within brand guidelines that teams, sponsors, broadcasters, etc. must comply with, including the correct form for editorial use. The IRB guidelines aren't in the public domain however, some of the sponsors' own tournament specific brand guidelines are - such as Barclay's for 2011 http://www.barclaycardworldoffers.co.uk/assets/offers/382d4d56-64d0-8be8-7af9-0000121f7ac1/Creative_Guidelines-1.pdf . The wider media also predominantly adhere to this form as per media guidelines and as the vast difference in number of Google search results for each exact phrase confirm. Fleckee15 ( talk) 16:14, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello all, have I cited well? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 09:05, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
A discussion has begun to outline usage of flags on sports articles and to review their usage. Sports articles have long diverged from what is stated in the manual of style. Please comment on the proposals and add suggestions by contributing at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. Thanks. SFB 13:59, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Recently (well 2012) the IRB signed a memorandum of understanding with the International Wheelchair Rugby Federation. However the game features little to link it to rugby football in general or indeed rugby union . Should it be included in the category Category:Rugby football and on {{ Team sports}} be listed as a variation of union? Gnevin ( talk) 14:19, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
I've been looking at expanding all the articles on the famous Scotland and Oxford three-quarter line of 1925 (the first Scotland team to win a Grand Slam) and am looking for help with sources. The four were George MacPherson (also known as GPS), Ian Smith (Scottish rugby player born 1903), George Aitken (rugby union), and Johnnie Wallace. The Smith article is looking okay, the MacPherson one does not do him justice, but one problem I'm having is that Aitken played for New Zealand, and Wallace for New South Wales before or after playing for Scotland -- so many of the sources I have for those two focus on their careers other than Scotland! Any of you got some good stuff on old time Scottish players? Would help me expand the articles enough to think about Good Article status. Also any public domain/free licence images of these four would be awesome. -- Shudde talk 11:09, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm hoping to get another issue of the Project Newsletter published and am looking for any help I can find. Anyone that has any ideas (this could be anything, book review, opinion piece, news of any kind) don't hesitate to contact me. Also still trying to decide on a name -- any suggestions for that are welcome at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union/Newsletter. -- Shudde talk 10:05, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Having trouble with someone who has had this article deleted once and is trying to do it again. The article is being deleted as "an eminently non-notable football ground". It's the home of the Oxford University rugby union team and has hosted internationals in the past (see Iffley_Road_rugby_football_ground. Please vote. GordyB ( talk) 20:01, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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After looking at a few of the articles and edits at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/GordyB I'm really concerned at the number of rugby union-related articles that may be affected. If you have articles you edit heavily, you may want to check whether they're listed at the investigation. From what I know, because of the mounting evidence regarding GordyB's edits, it may be assumed without further evidence that all of their major contributions are copyright violations, and they may be removed indiscriminately in accordance with Wikipedia:Copyright violations (see here). I've already had a look at Australia national rugby union team and France national rugby union team and fixed any problems there, but there are hundreds of other articles that may be involved. Don't be scared to help out, especially if you have a close attachment to some of the articles. -- Shudde talk 08:53, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello, the said category should be renamed Wales national rugby union team tours. -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 14:05, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Dear rugby experts: I have had a complaint from an editor interested in the Metropolis Rugby club ( http://www.metropolisrugby.com/myhome) stating that the Old Mission Beach club is their rival, and so if this club has a Wikipedia article they should have one. I unfortunately know nothing at all about rugby. Copyright issues are being checked out, but my question is: Are these two clubs notable according to the guidelines for inclusion of sports clubs, and are they of comparable prominence? The OMBAC article certainly doesn't have any independent sources to pass WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne Delong ( talk • contribs)
Not sure this is the right place to report this. An anon has been making some strange edits to various Rugby related pages. I don't know if all (any?) of their edits are valid or not, since I know almost nothing about Rugby. Feinoha Talk 03:33, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Should it be called " References" or " Reference list" or something else. all input is welcome at Talk:Albert Anae. thank you. Frietjes ( talk) 22:56, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm a new member of this project, although I have been editing rugby-related pages for some time now (including league). I'd like to improve some smaller teams' articles, namely Performance teams, seeing the bigger ones already have a good amount of users helping out. Is there anyone who would be willing to contribute? Also, I'd like to know if we should create an article for the Japan A rugby team as the Japan Rugby Football Union didn't award caps when touring or even playing in stages of international competitions, some of which were relevant to World Cup qualifiers, much in the way the Scottish Rugby Union did with Scotland A before. In the scrum.com database some nations' test matches list a Japan XV team. Thanks! Tibullus (talk) 23:12, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
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I've noticed that loads of English club articles feature "Transfers 2014-15" sections. This seems to be an example of recentism and shouldn't belong on these pages. It has been found that for articles on association football clubs such sections do not survive good article reviews, and I note that very few rugby union club articles have managed to achieve such a status. I did try removing from the Bath Rugby and Bristol Rugby articles, but my edits were swiftly undone. Ilikeeatingwaffles ( talk) 08:12, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
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In an attempt to widen this discussion beyond just 5 people, I have invited authors who have added to or removed from "transfer" sections of various Clus articles to join this discussion: User talk:NikeCage68, User talk:Scewmadden, User talk:LeinsterLad, User talk:MunsterFan2011, User talk:Pwimageglow, User talk:Rugby.change, User talk:Stemoc, User talk:Noq, User talk:MSR-Worcester. I note that the majoriy of these types of edits are being carried out by IPs. Hamish59 ( talk) 09:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I feel that having 'Transfers In/Out' sections does add useful information, however, the questions raised, such as how long that section should stay or where it should go, seem valid. Personally, articles would be worse off for missing information on who has moved to and from that club for a season, either the previous or forthcoming, though again, this raises the question of when these sections should be removed. I would like to see the 'Transfers' sections stay, as for someone interested in that information looking at the article, this can be a quick and simple way to find out. I don't know enough about Wikipedia policy to comment on what is and isn't allowed, but perhaps a solution is to place a time limit on how long these sections stay. For example, the 'Transfers' section for the forthcoming 2014-15 season should be removed by December 2014, or as soon as a transfer for the following season is confirmed. MunsterFan2011 ( talk) 10:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Policy can't be over-turned by a local consensus, and definitely not by one where like-minded editors have been canvassed to participate! Transfers can go in individual season articles, WP:NOTNEWS applies here. Like I said, this applies to all sports articles, not just rugby ones. Wikipedia-wide consensus is clear, Transfer lists do not belong in team articles. I haven't checked every single one, but of my random sample of FA quality sports team article, none have transfer lists:
So if someone wants to start an Request for comment to try and overturn the consensus that transfer lists are not allowed in sport teams articles then great. But until then, we don't have them on rugby articles, just like every other sport on en-wiki. We don't need consensus to remove them, we need site-wide consensus to include them. -- Shudde talk 12:09, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
What is the big problem of putting transfer sections on rugby union club articles? These sections have been done for the last several years and all of the sudden, for this year, they are getting deleted because several users are making a big fuss about it, because of it been a problem. It was supposed to help any person, preferably, rugby union fans of which players from professional rugby union clubs are in/out for next season. I am generally confused and don't understand this. Just tell me what the problem is in simple terms. Hopefully, there can be some agreement to this. NikeCage68 10:41 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Be advised, images from the IRB sites and any of its sub-sites are not free (cc-by) so please do not upload them. Its apparently "royalty-free" which is not a free licence so it cannot be used on wikipedia and also, I have also set up an IRC channel for our project at #wikipedia-rugby incase we need to discuss stuff online..-- Stemoc ( talk) 13:45, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I suppose this and this should be merged, what do you think? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 21:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
See Talk:New Zealand national rugby union team#Requested move -- PBS ( talk) 15:45, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
I read everywhere that ROG is credited to have born in San Diego, California, but today looking at his own biography I read that he was actually born in Sacramento, California... (see here). -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 18:38, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello, have been recently uploaded on Commons several photos of people of Zebre Rugby: players Marco Bortolami, Kelly Haimona, Brendon Leonard, Quintin Geldenhuys and Hennie Daniller; head coach Andrea Cavinato and team chairman Pier Luigi Bernabò, former Italian international and father of Valerio Bernabò. -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 13:55, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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I've nominated Arthur Gould (rugby union) to be Today's featured article for 10 October at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. That day will be the 150th anniversary of his birth. Feel free to review the blurb and add any comments at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Arthur Gould (rugby union). -- Shudde talk 02:25, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Does this meet your notability criteria, please? Ideally, please review the draft, accepting or declining it. Fiddle Faddle 08:41, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
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I propose removing from the WP:RU Style Guide the section that says national team pages should not include sections on upcoming and recent fixtures. I don't think it reflects the consensus of this WikiProject. This section mentions that "consensus has been reached between the project members" that they should be removed, but I don't think such consensus exists. The section cites this discussion as evidence of consensus. The supposed "consensus" is a proposal from one editor that they be removed, a second proposal from a second editor regarding a different way of presenting the information, and then further discussion about the second proposal with no meaningful discussion of the original proposal regarding removal. Several national rugby union teams have these sections, and I find them informative. Additionally, these sections are in many national football team articles, further suggesting that these sections do not violate Wikipedia principles. Barryjjoyce ( talk) 03:23, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
A couple of points. I'm not saying because some random articles don't have the section that this means it should be omitted (OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). I said that articles that have gone through a rigorous review process (FAC) don't have them. And I'm talking about all sport team FAs -- I just listed the rugby ones if anyone wants to check their specific FAC reviews. The recent discussion on the Canada team talkpage is hardly evidence that consensus has changed. Certainly doesn't displace a more centralised discussion -- there is no grandfather rule regarding consensus. As for the El Salvador example -- I made a mistake -- but that you've found only one GA (a process where there is only one reviewer btw -- hardly comparable to FAC) that has this section is pretty heartening to me. There must be hundreds of GA and FA team articles, and to only find one that has this section has to mean something. -- Shudde talk 05:47, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
We've had a long-standing convention against including these sections. But the last discussion was in 2007 ( here). I propose that we remove, from any articles that still include them, lists of recent and upcoming fixtures. Further discussion and arguments why can be found below. -- Shudde talk 04:13, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
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I'll repeat a few of the points I've made before as to why I believe these sections should never be included in team articles.
Hopefully I've established that these sections violate policy, particularly WP:NOT and WP:NPOV. -- Shudde talk 04:13, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I was going to update {{ Rugby union in}} as some of the unions are in the wrong tiers but this applies across the board where we use these groupings. To update the template I was going to use the WR bands however High Performance as we currently have it listed has a massive gulf in standards . I considered using 6 nations and Rugby Championship and then the rest but that feels like a bit of a WP:OR split. Some research here [6] further muddies the waters and claims the entire list is sort of made up and very fluid So without an official list, here is a best guess at what the IRB regards the categorisation as.
I've put a requested move up on Lancashire Cup Rugby Union if anyone would like to comment, support or oppose. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 18:39, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Most of the references in Gilbert (sports equipment) need to be updated (possibly using https://archive.org/web/ ) -- PBS ( talk) 16:49, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
@ Mcmatter: has listed a number of articles for deletion related to Canadian rugby.
Also listed under Rugby Alberta are:
- MacRùsgail ( talk) 15:56, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
He's also added an AfD for Ontario Rugby Union, although it didn't show up here because it wasn't part of the WikiProject for some reason. On top of that, he's bundled it with a Rugby League AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ontario Rugby League Competition. Grande ( talk) 06:55, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
As noted above at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rugby_union#Canadian_Rugby_Articles_for_deletion, one editor has proposed deleting many Canadian rugby articles. Several of these articles discuss regional governing bodies in Canada. The WP:RU Notability Guideline does not set forth any criteria regarding notability of governing bodies. If WP:RU members think a guideline on this would be helpful, feel free to proposed some suggested language. If nobody else volunteers, I may suggest some guidance. I already mentioned this idea to the editor in question, but he declined to initiate a conversation here. Barryjjoyce ( talk) 04:25, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
See the following AfD's, each of which proposes deleting several articles, including one or more articles regarding governing bodies:
Pinging editors who have weighed in on these AfD's: McMatter ~ MacRùsgail ~ Margin1522 ~ talk nerdy to me ~ Grande ~ SkyGuy747
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Harej ( talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Robinson was an early England international with four matches in 1893 and in 1902; he also played first-class cricket at Cambridge University. I can flesh out his cricket career from the various cricket databases. Can anyone help on the rugby side? Thanks. Johnlp ( talk) 00:02, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Would someone please check recent edits at the above. I'm inclined to revert it all, but someone who understands the topic would be better. Johnuniq ( talk) 07:17, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
What do folks think about adding the following parameters to national rugby union team infoboxes?
I think many readers would find these informative. If you want to visualize what these might look like, the national football team infoboxes include these. Barryjjoyce ( talk) 02:48, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm happy for him but are we sure that this is an encyclopedic issue? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 10:46, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed that the new Asian championship's name is just ARFU Asian Rugby Championship. Would you consider make two separate articles, the first for the 1969-2004 tournament and the second for the current one? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 15:57, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
I was just looking at the 2015 Six Nations Championship article and it seems like the stats section is way too expansive. Why are we listing every single point scorer? Surely the top 10 is sufficient? What say you, WT:RU? – Pee Jay 21:44, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
The article has been moved to BT Murrayfield without any discussion - I've put my thoughts on the Talk:BT Murrayfield page if anyone would like to add theirs. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 15:09, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
I came across this draft article, but I can not evaluate it. DGG ( talk ) 14:59, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed that the said article needs verification. If that may help, having I to write it from zero on it.wiki, have collected a lot of sources ( here). -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 18:57, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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2013 in rugby union page started, collaboration welcome-- Feroang ( talk) 20:59, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello, while writing the Italian article for the said tour, I noticed that also Kyran Bracken took part to the tour ( his entry at Lionsrugby.com) though as late replacement ( here the source). -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 16:16, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello, a question. I've just uploaded the said photograph. I recognised François Trinh-Duc, Ma'a Nonu and Conrad Smith, but didn't manage to recognise the player with the black headband on the left. Does anyone recognise him? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 16:16, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
For the purposes of WP:NRU, is the Currie Cup First Division a fully professional league? Hack ( talk) 12:34, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Going back to the original question, is the league in question fully pro? Hack ( talk) 13:03, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
What is the purpose of Template:Try and Template:Kick? As far as I can see, their only purpose is to add an icon of either a ball (for a try) or a set of posts (for a conversion, penalty or drop goal). I can sort of see the relevance of the posts icon for a kick at goal, but the ball is almost completely abstract; sure, you have to ground the ball to score a try, but it's not immediately obvious that that is what it means. What does make things immediately obvious, however, is the use of the words "Try", "Con", "Pen" and "Drop" in the {{ rugbybox}} template, making the icons completely redundant. Since the icons are completely redundant, they must be there to provide decoration to the article, something that is discouraged according to WP:ICONDECORATION. Therefore, the first stage of this suggestion is to remove the icons from the templates. Without the icons, then, what do these templates become? A shortcut to make typing easier? That's not what templates are for. If the templates contained a link to an article that is often renamed, I could see a point, but it's literally just plain text with a bit of code to add an apostrophe and a comma after each number. These templates should be replaced with plain text and then deleted. – Pee Jay 12:21, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Dear rugby enthusiasts: This old abandoned Afc submission is about to be deleted as a stale draft. Should we let it go, or is this a notable player? — Anne Delong ( talk) 15:04, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Dear rugby fans: Here's another of those old abandoned Afc submissions that will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable coach, and should the article be kept? — Anne Delong ( talk) 00:07, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello rugby experts! Here's an old Afc submission about a rugby club that is about to be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable club? Should the article be saved? — Anne Delong ( talk) 18:00, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Steve Corcoran ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was brought to my attention via OTRS in September of last year. Basically the person who wrote was concerned about whether or not the subject merited inclusion, and whether the article was being used to legitimize him in the real world. I agreed that it did not, since as far as I could tell he played with a U21 squad only, and I was unable to source the rest of the claims in the bio. Beyond that it seems he's coaching another amateur team in Austin now. The article was deleted, and recreated again about a month ago. I have a bit of concern regarding the creator's account, but before I take this to AFD I'd like a strong second opinion by a subject matter expert as to whether or not he meets the notability guidelines, assuming the claims in the article are true. Thanks! § FreeRangeFrog croak 22:09, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello again rugby enthusiasts! Is this old Afc submission about a notable player, or should it be deleted as a stale draft? — Anne Delong ( talk) 23:58, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Members of this project may be interested to know that Arthur Gould (rugby union) – the famous Welsh rugby union player – has been nominated at WP:FAC. The nomination page can be viewed at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Arthur Gould (rugby union)/archive1. -- Shudde talk 23:15, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello rugby fans! Here's a brand new submission at Afc. Is this a notable player? Should the article be accepted? — Anne Delong ( talk) 03:08, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello again rugby fans. There seem to be a number of players named Bill Morris. Is this a different person from the others, and if so is this a notable player? — Anne Delong ( talk) 19:28, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
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Iterations of IRB tournaments are correctly written as 'Rugby World Cup 2011' and 'RWC 2011' etc. not ' 2011 Rugby World Cup'. The incorrect format is used throughout Wikipedia. This applies to Rugby World Cup, IRB Sevens World Series, Rugby World Cup Sevens, IRB Junior World Championship, IRB Junior World Rugby Trophy, Women's Rugby World Cup, IRB Pacific Nations Cup and IRB Nations Cup. Not only is this form the correct tournament name but it is also the most commonly used - 3.9 million Google results for the "2011 rugby world cup" as opposed to 18.2 million for "rugby world cup 2011" for example.
It is part of the verbal distinction between rugby and soccer which uses the '2014 FIFA World Cup' format.
Also, the correct name for the Rugby World Cup trophy is the Webb Ellis Cup. It is not the William Webb Ellis Cup as it is called on Rugby World Cup.
Fleckee15 ( talk) 08:08, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
It isn't a case of preference. All IRB competitions and their iterations are brands and as such have a definitive name which is in the format 'Rugby World Cup 2011' etc. This is evident on all IRB/RWCL properties and stated within brand guidelines that teams, sponsors, broadcasters, etc. must comply with, including the correct form for editorial use. The IRB guidelines aren't in the public domain however, some of the sponsors' own tournament specific brand guidelines are - such as Barclay's for 2011 http://www.barclaycardworldoffers.co.uk/assets/offers/382d4d56-64d0-8be8-7af9-0000121f7ac1/Creative_Guidelines-1.pdf . The wider media also predominantly adhere to this form as per media guidelines and as the vast difference in number of Google search results for each exact phrase confirm. Fleckee15 ( talk) 16:14, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello all, have I cited well? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 09:05, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
A discussion has begun to outline usage of flags on sports articles and to review their usage. Sports articles have long diverged from what is stated in the manual of style. Please comment on the proposals and add suggestions by contributing at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. Thanks. SFB 13:59, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Recently (well 2012) the IRB signed a memorandum of understanding with the International Wheelchair Rugby Federation. However the game features little to link it to rugby football in general or indeed rugby union . Should it be included in the category Category:Rugby football and on {{ Team sports}} be listed as a variation of union? Gnevin ( talk) 14:19, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
I've been looking at expanding all the articles on the famous Scotland and Oxford three-quarter line of 1925 (the first Scotland team to win a Grand Slam) and am looking for help with sources. The four were George MacPherson (also known as GPS), Ian Smith (Scottish rugby player born 1903), George Aitken (rugby union), and Johnnie Wallace. The Smith article is looking okay, the MacPherson one does not do him justice, but one problem I'm having is that Aitken played for New Zealand, and Wallace for New South Wales before or after playing for Scotland -- so many of the sources I have for those two focus on their careers other than Scotland! Any of you got some good stuff on old time Scottish players? Would help me expand the articles enough to think about Good Article status. Also any public domain/free licence images of these four would be awesome. -- Shudde talk 11:09, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
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Having trouble with someone who has had this article deleted once and is trying to do it again. The article is being deleted as "an eminently non-notable football ground". It's the home of the Oxford University rugby union team and has hosted internationals in the past (see Iffley_Road_rugby_football_ground. Please vote. GordyB ( talk) 20:01, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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After looking at a few of the articles and edits at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/GordyB I'm really concerned at the number of rugby union-related articles that may be affected. If you have articles you edit heavily, you may want to check whether they're listed at the investigation. From what I know, because of the mounting evidence regarding GordyB's edits, it may be assumed without further evidence that all of their major contributions are copyright violations, and they may be removed indiscriminately in accordance with Wikipedia:Copyright violations (see here). I've already had a look at Australia national rugby union team and France national rugby union team and fixed any problems there, but there are hundreds of other articles that may be involved. Don't be scared to help out, especially if you have a close attachment to some of the articles. -- Shudde talk 08:53, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello, the said category should be renamed Wales national rugby union team tours. -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 14:05, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Dear rugby experts: I have had a complaint from an editor interested in the Metropolis Rugby club ( http://www.metropolisrugby.com/myhome) stating that the Old Mission Beach club is their rival, and so if this club has a Wikipedia article they should have one. I unfortunately know nothing at all about rugby. Copyright issues are being checked out, but my question is: Are these two clubs notable according to the guidelines for inclusion of sports clubs, and are they of comparable prominence? The OMBAC article certainly doesn't have any independent sources to pass WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne Delong ( talk • contribs)
Not sure this is the right place to report this. An anon has been making some strange edits to various Rugby related pages. I don't know if all (any?) of their edits are valid or not, since I know almost nothing about Rugby. Feinoha Talk 03:33, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Should it be called " References" or " Reference list" or something else. all input is welcome at Talk:Albert Anae. thank you. Frietjes ( talk) 22:56, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm a new member of this project, although I have been editing rugby-related pages for some time now (including league). I'd like to improve some smaller teams' articles, namely Performance teams, seeing the bigger ones already have a good amount of users helping out. Is there anyone who would be willing to contribute? Also, I'd like to know if we should create an article for the Japan A rugby team as the Japan Rugby Football Union didn't award caps when touring or even playing in stages of international competitions, some of which were relevant to World Cup qualifiers, much in the way the Scottish Rugby Union did with Scotland A before. In the scrum.com database some nations' test matches list a Japan XV team. Thanks! Tibullus (talk) 23:12, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
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I've noticed that loads of English club articles feature "Transfers 2014-15" sections. This seems to be an example of recentism and shouldn't belong on these pages. It has been found that for articles on association football clubs such sections do not survive good article reviews, and I note that very few rugby union club articles have managed to achieve such a status. I did try removing from the Bath Rugby and Bristol Rugby articles, but my edits were swiftly undone. Ilikeeatingwaffles ( talk) 08:12, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
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In an attempt to widen this discussion beyond just 5 people, I have invited authors who have added to or removed from "transfer" sections of various Clus articles to join this discussion: User talk:NikeCage68, User talk:Scewmadden, User talk:LeinsterLad, User talk:MunsterFan2011, User talk:Pwimageglow, User talk:Rugby.change, User talk:Stemoc, User talk:Noq, User talk:MSR-Worcester. I note that the majoriy of these types of edits are being carried out by IPs. Hamish59 ( talk) 09:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I feel that having 'Transfers In/Out' sections does add useful information, however, the questions raised, such as how long that section should stay or where it should go, seem valid. Personally, articles would be worse off for missing information on who has moved to and from that club for a season, either the previous or forthcoming, though again, this raises the question of when these sections should be removed. I would like to see the 'Transfers' sections stay, as for someone interested in that information looking at the article, this can be a quick and simple way to find out. I don't know enough about Wikipedia policy to comment on what is and isn't allowed, but perhaps a solution is to place a time limit on how long these sections stay. For example, the 'Transfers' section for the forthcoming 2014-15 season should be removed by December 2014, or as soon as a transfer for the following season is confirmed. MunsterFan2011 ( talk) 10:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Policy can't be over-turned by a local consensus, and definitely not by one where like-minded editors have been canvassed to participate! Transfers can go in individual season articles, WP:NOTNEWS applies here. Like I said, this applies to all sports articles, not just rugby ones. Wikipedia-wide consensus is clear, Transfer lists do not belong in team articles. I haven't checked every single one, but of my random sample of FA quality sports team article, none have transfer lists:
So if someone wants to start an Request for comment to try and overturn the consensus that transfer lists are not allowed in sport teams articles then great. But until then, we don't have them on rugby articles, just like every other sport on en-wiki. We don't need consensus to remove them, we need site-wide consensus to include them. -- Shudde talk 12:09, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
What is the big problem of putting transfer sections on rugby union club articles? These sections have been done for the last several years and all of the sudden, for this year, they are getting deleted because several users are making a big fuss about it, because of it been a problem. It was supposed to help any person, preferably, rugby union fans of which players from professional rugby union clubs are in/out for next season. I am generally confused and don't understand this. Just tell me what the problem is in simple terms. Hopefully, there can be some agreement to this. NikeCage68 10:41 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Be advised, images from the IRB sites and any of its sub-sites are not free (cc-by) so please do not upload them. Its apparently "royalty-free" which is not a free licence so it cannot be used on wikipedia and also, I have also set up an IRC channel for our project at #wikipedia-rugby incase we need to discuss stuff online..-- Stemoc ( talk) 13:45, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I suppose this and this should be merged, what do you think? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 21:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
See Talk:New Zealand national rugby union team#Requested move -- PBS ( talk) 15:45, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
I read everywhere that ROG is credited to have born in San Diego, California, but today looking at his own biography I read that he was actually born in Sacramento, California... (see here). -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 18:38, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello, have been recently uploaded on Commons several photos of people of Zebre Rugby: players Marco Bortolami, Kelly Haimona, Brendon Leonard, Quintin Geldenhuys and Hennie Daniller; head coach Andrea Cavinato and team chairman Pier Luigi Bernabò, former Italian international and father of Valerio Bernabò. -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 13:55, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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I've nominated Arthur Gould (rugby union) to be Today's featured article for 10 October at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. That day will be the 150th anniversary of his birth. Feel free to review the blurb and add any comments at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Arthur Gould (rugby union). -- Shudde talk 02:25, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Does this meet your notability criteria, please? Ideally, please review the draft, accepting or declining it. Fiddle Faddle 08:41, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
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I propose removing from the WP:RU Style Guide the section that says national team pages should not include sections on upcoming and recent fixtures. I don't think it reflects the consensus of this WikiProject. This section mentions that "consensus has been reached between the project members" that they should be removed, but I don't think such consensus exists. The section cites this discussion as evidence of consensus. The supposed "consensus" is a proposal from one editor that they be removed, a second proposal from a second editor regarding a different way of presenting the information, and then further discussion about the second proposal with no meaningful discussion of the original proposal regarding removal. Several national rugby union teams have these sections, and I find them informative. Additionally, these sections are in many national football team articles, further suggesting that these sections do not violate Wikipedia principles. Barryjjoyce ( talk) 03:23, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
A couple of points. I'm not saying because some random articles don't have the section that this means it should be omitted (OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). I said that articles that have gone through a rigorous review process (FAC) don't have them. And I'm talking about all sport team FAs -- I just listed the rugby ones if anyone wants to check their specific FAC reviews. The recent discussion on the Canada team talkpage is hardly evidence that consensus has changed. Certainly doesn't displace a more centralised discussion -- there is no grandfather rule regarding consensus. As for the El Salvador example -- I made a mistake -- but that you've found only one GA (a process where there is only one reviewer btw -- hardly comparable to FAC) that has this section is pretty heartening to me. There must be hundreds of GA and FA team articles, and to only find one that has this section has to mean something. -- Shudde talk 05:47, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
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We've had a long-standing convention against including these sections. But the last discussion was in 2007 ( here). I propose that we remove, from any articles that still include them, lists of recent and upcoming fixtures. Further discussion and arguments why can be found below. -- Shudde talk 04:13, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
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I'll repeat a few of the points I've made before as to why I believe these sections should never be included in team articles.
Hopefully I've established that these sections violate policy, particularly WP:NOT and WP:NPOV. -- Shudde talk 04:13, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I was going to update {{ Rugby union in}} as some of the unions are in the wrong tiers but this applies across the board where we use these groupings. To update the template I was going to use the WR bands however High Performance as we currently have it listed has a massive gulf in standards . I considered using 6 nations and Rugby Championship and then the rest but that feels like a bit of a WP:OR split. Some research here [6] further muddies the waters and claims the entire list is sort of made up and very fluid So without an official list, here is a best guess at what the IRB regards the categorisation as.
I've put a requested move up on Lancashire Cup Rugby Union if anyone would like to comment, support or oppose. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 18:39, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Most of the references in Gilbert (sports equipment) need to be updated (possibly using https://archive.org/web/ ) -- PBS ( talk) 16:49, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
@ Mcmatter: has listed a number of articles for deletion related to Canadian rugby.
Also listed under Rugby Alberta are:
- MacRùsgail ( talk) 15:56, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
He's also added an AfD for Ontario Rugby Union, although it didn't show up here because it wasn't part of the WikiProject for some reason. On top of that, he's bundled it with a Rugby League AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ontario Rugby League Competition. Grande ( talk) 06:55, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
As noted above at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rugby_union#Canadian_Rugby_Articles_for_deletion, one editor has proposed deleting many Canadian rugby articles. Several of these articles discuss regional governing bodies in Canada. The WP:RU Notability Guideline does not set forth any criteria regarding notability of governing bodies. If WP:RU members think a guideline on this would be helpful, feel free to proposed some suggested language. If nobody else volunteers, I may suggest some guidance. I already mentioned this idea to the editor in question, but he declined to initiate a conversation here. Barryjjoyce ( talk) 04:25, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
See the following AfD's, each of which proposes deleting several articles, including one or more articles regarding governing bodies:
Pinging editors who have weighed in on these AfD's: McMatter ~ MacRùsgail ~ Margin1522 ~ talk nerdy to me ~ Grande ~ SkyGuy747
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Harej ( talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Robinson was an early England international with four matches in 1893 and in 1902; he also played first-class cricket at Cambridge University. I can flesh out his cricket career from the various cricket databases. Can anyone help on the rugby side? Thanks. Johnlp ( talk) 00:02, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Would someone please check recent edits at the above. I'm inclined to revert it all, but someone who understands the topic would be better. Johnuniq ( talk) 07:17, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
What do folks think about adding the following parameters to national rugby union team infoboxes?
I think many readers would find these informative. If you want to visualize what these might look like, the national football team infoboxes include these. Barryjjoyce ( talk) 02:48, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm happy for him but are we sure that this is an encyclopedic issue? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 10:46, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed that the new Asian championship's name is just ARFU Asian Rugby Championship. Would you consider make two separate articles, the first for the 1969-2004 tournament and the second for the current one? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 15:57, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
I was just looking at the 2015 Six Nations Championship article and it seems like the stats section is way too expansive. Why are we listing every single point scorer? Surely the top 10 is sufficient? What say you, WT:RU? – Pee Jay 21:44, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
The article has been moved to BT Murrayfield without any discussion - I've put my thoughts on the Talk:BT Murrayfield page if anyone would like to add theirs. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 15:09, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
I came across this draft article, but I can not evaluate it. DGG ( talk ) 14:59, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed that the said article needs verification. If that may help, having I to write it from zero on it.wiki, have collected a lot of sources ( here). -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 18:57, 17 April 2015 (UTC)