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Carmen is an opera in four acts which Georges Bizet set to a libretto by the team of Henri Meilhac and Ludovic Halévy, based on Prosper Mérimée's novella. When it was first performed by the Opéra-Comique in Paris on 3 March 1875, its breaking of conventions shocked and scandalized its first audiences.
The opera was originally written with musical numbers and spoken dialogue. Set in southern Spain, it tells of the downfall of Don José, a naïve soldier who is seduced by the fiery gypsy Carmen, and finally kills her in a jealous rage. The depictions of proletarian life, immorality, and lawlessness broke new ground in French opera. Bizet died suddenly after the 33rd performance, unaware that the work would achieve international acclaim within the following ten years. Carmen has become one of the most frequently performed operas, with the " Habanera" and the " Toreador Song" among the best known of all operatic arias. The music has been acclaimed for its brilliance of melody, harmony, atmosphere and orchestration, and for Bizet's skill in expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters.
"... in expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters" - worded admirably by Brianboulton, and the apt image added by Voceditenore - great teamwork! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:28, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Can we please expand Il finto astrologo a bit, to house the infobox? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:25, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Of course James Levine is receiving much attention due to his recently-announced death. The article even says he recorded extensively, but there is just a single recording listed. Nearly the same with the videography which lists just a handful. Perhaps some would like to enhance those sections (the amount of which could easily fill a separate article). - kosboot ( talk) 12:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
I have made some edits, relocating the lead last paragraph and copyediting duplicated stuff, to seek to lessen WP:UNDUE. This was to attempt to apply WP standards - not to defend Levine; I heard rumours about his activities with both sexes when I was a teenager, and that's a hell of a long time ago...... Let's see what happens.-- Smerus ( talk) 11:52, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Researching the Grand Tour, I have twice been pointed into this database of quotes about experiencing music. https://led.kmi.open.ac.uk/
The Listening Experience Database (LED) project is a collaboration between The Open University, the Royal College of Music and (in its second phase) the University of Glasgow. It was awarded a £0.75m grant over three years from 2012-15 and a further grant of £0.98m from 2016-19 by the Arts and Humanities Research Council. The main purpose of the project is to develop a database, freely searchable by the public, which will bring together a mass of data about people’s experiences of listening to music of all kinds, in any historical period and any culture.
I have not yet much tested it in its own right. Charles Burney's words are in, Stendhal's apparently not. Scarabocchio ( talk) 18:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi all. In researching Menotti's opera Martin's Lie (which Menotti referred to as a "church opera"), I came across a rather lengthy article in Grove entitled "Sacred opera" by Graham Dixon and Richard Taruskin. Given the substantial article on this topic in a major reference work, there appears to be a need for such an article on wikipedia. It's not a topic I would want to tackle alone because of its complexity. Perhaps, we could make this a collaborative project at some point? 4meter4 ( talk) 23:31, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, what evidence is there of standing whilst playing solos being a 'Hungarian tradition'? This is a new one on me. If you can trace no other examples of it, it would seem to me to be merely an eccentricity of Grun. Best, -- Smerus ( talk) 12:30, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
I've been asked to take a look at Draft:Karina Flores which was submitted to Wikipedia:Articles for creation. I'm a fairly experienced reviewer there but would like some extra input. The article is rather rough around the edges to say the least, but I think she may be notable enough to move this into article space. The main criteria for moving is that the subject has more than a 50% chance of passing an Afd and is reliably sourced with inline citations.
It's a pity that there aren't more reviews of her actual performances (as opposed to announcements or articles about the productions) in major publications or feature articles written about her. But she does appear to have sung leading roles with reasonably prominent companies, notably Teatro San Carlo (their summer opera festival), Teatro Regio di Torino, Helikon Opera, Israeli Opera, which we usually take as signifying notability in the case of an opera singer. She also sings Lisa on a recording of Pique Dame (Israeli Opera conducted by Vladimir Jurowski). It was reviewed in the BBC Music magazine and in Gramophone. She won an Austrian Music Theater Prize [1] for her performance as Adriana Lecouvreur at the Tyrolean State Theatre. Don't know how important the prize is (the source is all in German) and was a finalist but not the winner of the Voci Verdiane in Busseto.
Thoughts?
Voceditenore ( talk) 17:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
The subject of Opernhaus Zürich is currently covered in two articles: Zürich Opera House, Zürich Opera. The latter's talk page saw a brief merge discussion, in which experienced editor User:DJRafe opposed the move, seeing that the building also houses the Ballett Zürich. However, with this opera company sharing similar conditions with the Vienna State Opera, which also has a largely intertwined history between the institute and its resident building, one article (dealing with both company and house) should suffice (as per to the precedent). Seanetienne ( talk) 08:45, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Please see Talk:The Flying Dutchman (opera)#Requested move 10 April 2021 Aza24 ( talk) 05:22, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
The synopsis of this opera was just removed as a copyright violation, but it seems like viva Verdi wrote the synopsis and added it to to two different pages that use the same story. I’m not sure I would call that a copyright violation. Opinions? 4meter4 ( talk) 11:23, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
I would like to slightly improve and simplify the presentation of
selected audio files at
Portal:Opera. The current implementation uses the
obsolete HTML tag <center>...</center>
, and the template {{
Multi-listen item}} which produces a weird list dot at the left margin:
From
Giuseppe Verdi's
Un ballo in maschera, sung by
Enrico Caruso,
Frieda Hempel, Maria Duchêne, Andrés de Segurola and
Léon Rothier (1914)
I propose instead to use the the template {{
Listen}} and its parameter |pos=center
for the presentation of the audio file:
From Giuseppe Verdi's Un ballo in maschera, sung by Enrico Caruso, Frieda Hempel, Maria Duchêne, Andrés de Segurola and Léon Rothier (1914)
To reproduce the old appearance exactly, the file's title has to be centered with {{ Center}}. I'm not sure that's needed. This is the output, sans bottom matter, without it:
If this is adopted, the text at Portal:Opera/Selected audio/Layout also needs to be adjusted. Thoughts? -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 14:02, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
|pos=center
, which makes the use of {{Center block}} unnecessary. I changed to code above accordingly. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk)
03:08, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
...who is in her nineties has an article that has almost no inline citations. When she dies, she won't be okayed for the Recent Deaths section of In The News in the shape it's in now. —valereee ( talk) 00:01, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
This template is being discussed for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2021_May_1#Template:Operabase.
The {{ Operabase}} template passed the composer and/or worktitle as text parameters to a performance search. Back in 2018, the site changed its calling interface to use id numbers for composers, works, artists, companies etc, breaking the links. There didn't seem any quick fix, so Michael Bednarek swiftly and usefully disabled the template.
Interestingly, deWP has a similar template, currently linking over 1000 company and singer pages, and this is working. Somehow, from somewhere, they have the Operabase company and artist id numbers on file ... if we can find out where/how they have these, a fix for enWP's template could be straight-forward.
I'll be able to look at this in mid-May. If anyone else would like to jump-in before then, you are most welcome (my template writing muscles are somewhat out of practice, anyway!). Scarabocchio ( talk) 15:52, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I just created this article on soprano Joyce Mathis. I couldn't find any info on her date of birth/death. I did find an article dated July 16, 1975 which said she was 31 years old at the time. I found several obituaries of siblings who said she pre-deceased them, the oldest of which dates to April 25, 2009. She pretty much disappears from media after 1993, and there was a concert dedicated to her in 1994 which I can only get a partial view of the source. I suspect she may have died in 93 or 94, but it is possible she just simply stopped performing and lived longer. If anyone is able to find a source confirming a birth date or death date I would appreciate it. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, not sure if it's appropriate to request this here, but the page for the San Francisco Opera is seriously out of date. I tagged it as such well over a year ago, but no significant updates have been made since that time. My spouse works for the company so I have a potential conflict of interest, and thus would prefer not to make the updates myself. Thanks! Funcrunch ( talk) 20:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Category:Opera articles needing expert attention has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Peaceray ( talk) 21:25, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
If anyone cares to pitch in, this article has had lots of tags for a while. 4meter4 ( talk) 01:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Schwede66 just moved the article on baritone Erik Ole Bye to Eric Bye (rower). He's arguably more famous as a singer than an athlete, notably appearing on many early recordings. I don't agree with the appropriateness of this name change. 4meter4 ( talk) 20:33, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
As it is very clear from the above that he was better known as a baritone than a rower, I have moved the article to Erik Bye (baritone). Which then leaves the issue whether that is the appropriate article name or whether we should use his full name. Thanks, Narky Blert, for digging out four RS that list him with his full name. Databases will almost always use full names for people, and I therefore suggest that there is just one source that is of interest: Great Norwegian Encyclopedia. I'm saying that because it lists other people not by their full name, notably his son. So have they made an exception here to create what Wikipedians know as "natural disambiguation" (see WP:QUALIFIER)? I don't know. For that reason, I have had a look around to see whether there are posters online or LP records. After searching around, I came across something that he seems to be famous for and a Google image search for the string "hei, huskom, i hei erik ole bye" produces results that show a number of images with "Erik Bye" and none (that I could spot) with "Erik Ole Bye". Omitting "Ole" from that search string produces even more images that show "Erik Bye". Hence I maintain that the current article base name is the common name. If others here disagree, I suggest that we should initiate a formal discussion via Wikipedia:Requested moves. If you want me to, I would be happy to initiate the RM. Schwede 66 21:57, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello - Please have a look at Rosa - A Horse Drama which I have expanded. I think it's probably no longer a stub. Can we change its grading? I'm relatively inexperienced here and learning the ropes - any tidying up if needed is appreciated. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 17:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello everyone! I am currently working on bringing the article I wrote to GA status and wanted to ask for your help. I have found numerous mentions on Newspapers.com as well as rummaged through Google results, however I don't feel quite content. Could you share your experience - where else should I go to find more reviews about Marita Napier's performances as well as her personality. Thank you! Best, Less Unless ( talk) 15:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
I thought I'd proposed Rosa as Opera of the Month but it's turned up in composer of the month and opera of the month has a blank page. Rosa is written by Andriessen but Rosa was also a composer. If the composer Rosa is listed as composer of the month Greenaway's work is complete! Confusion reigns.. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 19:53, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
I invite editors to take a look here. User:Bilby has I believe overstepped the mark in (twice) deleting an entry I have made on the basis of COI. What I posted was supported by two independent sources (and I could provide five or six more). I hope it is needless to say that I obtain no remuneration or any other benefit from being on the board of HGO. If I published the comment without mentioning HGO Bilby would presumably find it acceptable. But is it reasonable to leave it out? I would be grateful for editors' comments/ recommendations.-- Smerus ( talk) 12:46, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
I just saw in Opera News this obituary for Paul Kellogg; longtime opera director of Glimmerglass Opera and also former director of the New York City Opera. He died on April 28, 2021. There's also a substantial obituary in the New York Times. We currently lack an article on him if anyone is looking for a project. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Gianna Rolandi died, coloratura at the New City Opera in the 1980s. There are some facts commented out in the article for which I couldn't find a source. Other additions also welcome. On the Main page. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:30, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Tool for finding all pages currently linking to a particular domain
Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Past creation and cleanup requests are archived here. Voceditenore ( talk) 11:29, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
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As of September 2018, there are over 3000 opera-related articles classed as "stubs". The full list can be found at Category:Stub-Class Opera articles. If you have some free time, consider checking these once in a awhile to see if the class still applies. Some may well have been considerably expanded since they were last rated. Or you may find a potentially useful/important topic that you could expand or nominate for the monthly collaborations. Voceditenore ( talk) 14:03, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Rosa - A Horse Drama no longer a stub. I think. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 21:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
I recently had this conversation at User talk:MB#Lead images which others might want to comment on.
I noticed that you removed the composer's image from all of Daron Hagen's operas with the edit summary, "rmv images not of subject from infobox" and " MOS:LEADIMAGE, image should be of the subject - a poster or advertisement of the opera, not the composer". 1) MOS:LEADIMAGE does not prescribe a lead image in the detail you assert ("poster or advertisement of the opera"). 2) There are hundreds of opera articles that show the composer's image, which is fully in line with MOS:LEAD. 3) I've been editing opera articles here for 15 years, and I've never seen anyone proposing a guideline similar to your edit summary, nor have I ever encountered an editor who removed a composer's image from an opera article. I suggest you restore the image in all those instances where you removed them from opera pages. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 00:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- If there are other article on operas with images of the composer then they should be removed also. Operas are no different that other works of art, e.g. TV shows, books, movies, sculptures, paintings, etc. I have never seen one of this with an image of any person associated with the work. They commonly contain an image of a logo, book cover, title card, the artwork itself, etc. MOS:LEADIMAGE says the images should "representations of the topic". I don't see that the composer is a representation of the topic. MB 01:01, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm completely baffled by the implications of that editor's argument. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 01:56, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
This is a useful list for our project. Perhaps we could partner with Women in Red on working on this list in some fashion? 4meter4 ( talk) 15:38, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
See this Opera News obituary. 4meter4 ( talk) 20:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Wow. I attended a session of the IAML conference in which staff of the Ricordi Archive gave an overview of their digital activities. They are heavily involved not just with Wikipedia but with Wikidata, WikiCommons and WikiSource. They are creating Italian-language-only articles on lots of operas and people involved with operas, have uploaded 1,066 images to the Commons so far, and on WikiSource, are uploading Gazzetta Musicale di Milano for 1842 (when finished it will be 228 pages on WikiSource). Just a heads up for those who may want to investigate. - kosboot ( talk) 18:38, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Voice type articles such as Bass and most notably Soprano like to make Fach lower case. Baritone is the exception that capitalizes it. From a bit of googling and my knowledge of German grammar, I'd guess that this should be capitalized. Is it a musical literature thing to make it lower case? Either way, we should aim to standardize on one or the other. Which do we vote for? Dhalamh ( talk) 13:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Which common, well-known, opera has a two versions, with a lead role which is a tenor in one, rewritten for a baritone in the other? (There's no prize, it's just torturing me not being able to bring it to mind). Scarabocchio ( talk) 11:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone have a contact at the Royal Opera House in London? Gerda Arendt suggested I ask if someone in this project might have such a contact. Information courtesy of GRuban is that the organisation has a Flickr account with lots of photos of British opera singers. Can they be persuaded to licence the images suitable for Wikipedia? The request started through me wanting to add a picture of Susan Bickley to a page about her currently under construction. -- MerielGJones ( talk) 22:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Over the last few months I've been working with New Zealand Opera as a Wikipedian in Residence, primarily to help them release photos from their archive to Commons (once we'd established copyright holders and gotten clearances from one photographer). I only had ten days contracted with them, but we managed to make a good start: see the Wikipedia:GLAM/NZOpera report. I'm a novice at working with opera articles, and appreciated the help of several people in this project; any improvements others would like to make would be welcome. As a WiR I had a pretty standard memorandum of understanding making it clear that I had editorial control, and so expanded the New Zealand Opera article under that agreement, working independently of the company itself apart from a couple of site visits to avoid COI issues.
One thing to note is the large number of high-quality production photos in their collection: I uploaded a couple of hundred from nine different productions, but the company has put on around 50 operas in their 20-year history, including many standards, so there's scope for much more work. I'm currently preparing a funding proposal to work full-time with NZ Opera for several months to a) upload photos from all their productions into Commons, b) put all their productions, artists, and creative team into Wikidata, c) create articles about New Zealand opera performers, particularly Māori and Pacific Island singers, and d) expand or create articles about NZ opera companies and opera history.
I'd appreciate feedback on the work so far. What problems or opportunities do you see, and are their folks who would like to endorse or volunteer to help with such a project? — Giantflightlessbirds ( talk) 23:13, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi, while writing an article about Cimarosas Le astuzie femminili for the german wikipedia I noticed a recording of conductor Simone Perugini which I found slightly suspicious. He appears to have specialiced to Cimarosas operas and has apparently already recorded many of them and also published several critical editions. But none of his singers are known otherwise. So I googled a bit and found these forum threads: Simone Perugini (Conductor) - Passing Off Past Opera Recordings As His Own!, Who the heck is Simone Perugini? and Fraudes discográficos y/u operísticos: Simone Perugini. What do you think about it? He is mentioned in three articles here: Il matrimonio segreto (with a self published interview at opennemas.com), Cleopatra (Cimarosa) and The Barber of Seville (Paisiello). Is his CD label RC Record Classic a fraud? Are his „critical editions“ just fascimile prints as this worldcat entry suggests? What about the recording of Le astuzie femminili at YouTube? The files are „Provided … by Routenote“, „Auto-generated by YouTube“, released as „Public Domain“ and don't allow comments. -- Rodomonte ( talk) 07:47, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
If you don't received the online newsletter "This Month in GLAM" you may be unaware of a Wikipedian-in-Residence working at New Zealand Opera. One of the results is a donation of 200 photographs to Commons: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2021/Single#New_Zealand_report - kosboot ( talk) 02:44, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
The company is mentioned on the Main page with Jean-Paul Jeannotte, and - as I see only now, sorry - is a sad stub. There's much more in French. Help? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
This editor was an enthusiastic editor in the area of opera, though stopped editing in 2015. His death has recently been announced. A sad loss. He was a former colleague and introduced me to Wikipedia editing, many years ago. Pam D 17:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
I created a draft article for UK baritone Peter Brathwaite, but do not have access to some of the UK sources that are needed. I also do not know where to look in particular for opera-related info. My main interest in Brathwaite was in the art he created during the pandemic lockdown. I would greatly appreciate if someone more knowledgeable could improve this article enough for it to exit draft status. Thanks. Lamona ( talk) 14:09, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
I am wondering about the use of multiple links to the same Wikipedia article. I have been wondering if that is unique to opera articles - or if it's just that someone liked having each instance of a role and opera linked.
Your input is greatly appreciated.– CaroleHenson ( talk) 00:05, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Recently I heard (off-wiki) that an editor's edits were reverted simply because the sources were not in English. I thought that was incomprehensibly ridiculous so I posted to Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#Non-English_sources. One editor responded, essentially justifying that argument. I still find it incomprehensible, especially for a project like this which heavily depends on non-English sources. If you are inclined, I encourage you to post to that thread (hopefully supporting the notion that non-English sources are valid). - kosboot ( talk) 14:10, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
This person's daughter wrote a huge uncited wiki article on her with bombastic claims including an illustrious career with the Met. The wiki article has now been gutted. Anyway, nothing seems to come up on her in OperaBase (unless I am searching incorrectly). Anyone care to check and see if she actually had a citable operatic career? Softlavender ( talk) 07:28, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi all. This version of the June Preston article written by the subject's daughter made some pretty extraordinary claims about Preston and her work with the Metropolitan Opera. The Metropolitan Opera Archives contain no record of her having sung with the company. The archive is a complete record of all of the company's performance both in New York and on tour; so it's clear that this information was false. I did digging and found sources in Variety (magazine) and Opera News which explained that the tour included singers under contract from the Met and other American companies, but that it was not affiliated in any way with the Met even though ithe company was billed/named "Stars of the Metropolitan Opera". There was some question raised about whether this content was necessary, but I feel it is given that inaccurate content has been posted by the subject's daughter on other websites. Thoughts on how we should handle this would be appreciated, whatever they may be. All comments welcome. Thanks. 4meter4 ( talk) 22:21, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Just saw this obituary in The New York Times. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:21, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Discussion here-- Smerus ( talk) 20:49, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
I have a lengthy footnote here detailing why it must date from 1913. Can I just get a quick fact-check? I'm pretty damn sure, though, that the Getty image's naming of the theatre this is for narrows it down to the Paris première. But more eyes never hurt! Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 12:36, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
New here. I posted this in the Talk page but I'm not sure how much traction that gets--feel free to remove this if it's the wrong place. The article mentions that Strauss had been working on the operetta in 1883; however, Mór Jókai's novel, A cigánybáró, wasn't published until 1885, and not until 1886 in German, after the premiere date given for the operetta. It could be that Strauss could read Hungarian and was regularly fed new reading material, but I don't see anything indicating this. Either way, the dates don't seem to work out. Likewise, the source is given as Sáffi, but Mór Jókai's novel (novella), A cigánybáró, translates to English as "the gypsy baron." Did he have another work titled Sáffi that also happens to have the same translation but doesn't appear in the list of his works on the Mór Jókai page? Further, a google search for Sáffi by Mór Jókai only seems to find links to the opera, not any mention of an actual novel. It would be great if someone could clear this up. Jacobw56 ( talk) 02:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
I see the article on this work adheres strictly to Debussy's designation of this work as a "mystery play." But it's not a play, or at least, does not meet one's expectations of a play. It's not incidental music but music composed in conjunction with a text intended to be acted out. I see the library world considers this work an opera. What do the rest of you say? - kosboot ( talk) 14:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Just as a heads up of sorts, I've restored the lead image finally. It's only used in the opera's article now; it might well be worth spreading. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 10:40, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Also, and I realise her opera connection kind of fades into less importance compared to, y'know, the whole civil rights and all the other performaces she did, but Marian Anderson, first African-American performer at the Metropolitan Opera is also now the subject of a featured picture. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs 00:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Just to check before I go adding the likely-soon-to-be-featured poster here and to the portal, while clearly an important musician, and she clearly sung arias from opera (and very well), is that sufficient connection for inclusion in the portal? Her page is' in our Wikiproject, though, weirdly enough, it appears to be added by a bot: [7] Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs 22:15, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Opera (British magazine): The programme of the @RegioParma’s Festival Verdi 2022 has been announced (Sep 22-Oct), including new productions of La forza del destino and Simon Boccanegra (1857 version), and also Il trovatore, the Requiem and Quattro pezzi sacri, etc.
(Pic: Viva-Verdi)
https://twitter.com/operamagazine/status/1490747327623143429 Scarabocchio ( talk) 18:15, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Today's featured picture - for a change not by you, Adam - is from Falstaff, to which he contributed much of the content and the infobox:
What do project members thing about an infobox for Cosima Wagner? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:39, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Gerda Arendt: still nominated by me. But, more on topic - I'd say infoboxes are really suitable to people as they collect a lot of basic information - birthdate, death date, nationality and so on - in one place. Even if we've turned against sidebars in opera pages, I think we should stick to standard biographical practice. But don't look at me, I'm the image guy. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs 22:20, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Over at Portal:Opera, I've just added FP 149, Sissieretta Jones. I know that's a horribly inaccurate count and basically meaningless, but since it's still a big round number, any suggestions for #150? Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs 23:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Having sen Nabucco on today's Main page (OTD), I believe it could be a GA, and nominated. Some references are missing. Please watch and help if possible, - sadly the principal author and expert Viva-Verdi can't help us. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
The birth and death dates in this article are different than what is in Grove. Likewise, Grove asserts the name most commonly used is Elena Angri versus Elena D'Angri in its choice of name. The Grove entry is titled "Angri [D’Angri], Elena [Nazarena, Mattia, Catterina]" with the article stating (b Corfu, May 14, 1821; d Barcelona, Nov 5, 1886). My question is, what is the reason behind the lack of specific date of birth and a different death date in the article given that Grove is in the listed references and presumably the Grove content was viewed and rejected. I'm inclined to just use Grove's straight forward material. 4meter4 ( talk) 14:31, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
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Comments, whatever they may be, would be welcome at this discussion. 4meter4 ( talk) 17:48, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
I heard Eleonora Buratto sing Cio-Cio-San on this past Saturday's Met live radio broadcast, and her singing was very very fine. I looked up her wiki and it's a tiny stub. Apparently it was created by a COI/SPA in 2015 and was mainly a copyvio, and was gutted. Apparently another(?) COI/SPA tried to do the same thing a few months ago and it was again gutted.
So it needs one of us types to flesh it out at least a little bit more.
Anyone care to help out? Pinging Michael_Bednarek who may have heard the broadcast; Smerus; really anybody with any interest and a smattering of time. I wish Voceditenore was still active in this stuff but I see she has wound down.
Anyway, any help appreciated. I'd do it myself but my time is limited right now due to events in my personal life.
Cheers all! Softlavender ( talk) 23:18, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
I am tied up at present organizing this but will take a look when I can. Best-- Smerus ( talk) 13:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Input is needed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 15#Violoneux. All opinions welcome. 4meter4 ( talk) 02:21, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
The article about Ambur Braid has not been encyclopedic from the start, - help? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
This draft has been abandoned. Any interest from anyone here in rescuing it? ~ Kvng ( talk) 17:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Christian Van Horn is another. ~ Kvng ( talk) 19:13, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Folks!! Is there any barnstars for folk who create particularly good opera articles. scope_creep Talk 10:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
why aren't they included AND how do the listed seven compare to the usual (4)names for (4)male and (3)female? i just want to understand the why, when & where :D A breakdown of each major category saying which "usual mentioned" voice is in which of the major seven... would be nice
i'm asking for experts because I know bass and alto are two i usually hear but isn't listed as one of the seven.... and i have a good falsetto so wondering about that, meanwhile my research mentioned "whispers" which I've never heard of before so even an example would help Qazwiz ( talk) 19:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC) Qazwiz ( talk) 19:22, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Project members may wish to comment here. All opinions welcome. 4meter4 ( talk) 09:33, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
There apparently used to be a governmental source that offered scans of a lot of his scores, but it disappeared, which just shows the value of porting stuff over to Commons. Annoying because I can't find a published version that doesn't claim copyright. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 8.1% of all FPs 15:38, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Currently a redirect to opera. The redirect is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 11. 4meter4 ( talk) 20:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Mariana Nicolesco died, a Romanian soprano in a world premiere of a Berio opera without article at La Scala, and Penderecki wrote Seven Gates of Jerusalem for her, but no obit (yet) which isn't in Romanian. Is there anybody who could sift the Romanian references? ... find her entry in the La Scala archives which is gone? ... find references for some wild claims such as 200 times La traviata and the laundry lists of people and places? - It would be nice to send her to Recent deaths on the Main page, but not possible underreferenced as it is. ... I'll go out to the opera, and hope for a miracle. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:10, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
The daughter of publisher Richard L. Simon and the older sister of Carly Simon and Lucy Simon (who also died a day later), Joanna began her career as a mezzo with the New York City Opera. She sang in several world premieres; including operas by Alberto Ginastera, Thomas Pasatieri, and Robert Starer. She was the first singer to record the role of Irene in Handel's Tamerlano. and she also made recordings with Leonard Bernstein and the New York Philharmonic ( Claude Debussy's Le Martyre de saint Sébastien and the role of Brangane in Richard Wagner's Tristan and Isolde); William Steinberg and the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra (Beethoven's Symphony No. 9 ), and the Vienna Philharmonic and Herbert von Karajan (Mozart's Coronation Mass and Anton Bruckner's Te Deum). She later was the Arts Correspondent for PBS's MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour from 1986-1992; winning an Emmy Award for her work. Married to the novelist Gerald Walker from 1976 until his death in 2004, she was the companion of Walter Cronkite from 2005 until his death in 2009.
I have nominated her article at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates. I recently rescued this article from AFD and greatly expanded it. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
I started a new article. Please feel free to edit and to fix any mistakes and errors. Bearian ( talk) 19:13, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
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Carmen is an opera in four acts which Georges Bizet set to a libretto by the team of Henri Meilhac and Ludovic Halévy, based on Prosper Mérimée's novella. When it was first performed by the Opéra-Comique in Paris on 3 March 1875, its breaking of conventions shocked and scandalized its first audiences.
The opera was originally written with musical numbers and spoken dialogue. Set in southern Spain, it tells of the downfall of Don José, a naïve soldier who is seduced by the fiery gypsy Carmen, and finally kills her in a jealous rage. The depictions of proletarian life, immorality, and lawlessness broke new ground in French opera. Bizet died suddenly after the 33rd performance, unaware that the work would achieve international acclaim within the following ten years. Carmen has become one of the most frequently performed operas, with the " Habanera" and the " Toreador Song" among the best known of all operatic arias. The music has been acclaimed for its brilliance of melody, harmony, atmosphere and orchestration, and for Bizet's skill in expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters.
"... in expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters" - worded admirably by Brianboulton, and the apt image added by Voceditenore - great teamwork! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:28, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Can we please expand Il finto astrologo a bit, to house the infobox? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:25, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Of course James Levine is receiving much attention due to his recently-announced death. The article even says he recorded extensively, but there is just a single recording listed. Nearly the same with the videography which lists just a handful. Perhaps some would like to enhance those sections (the amount of which could easily fill a separate article). - kosboot ( talk) 12:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
I have made some edits, relocating the lead last paragraph and copyediting duplicated stuff, to seek to lessen WP:UNDUE. This was to attempt to apply WP standards - not to defend Levine; I heard rumours about his activities with both sexes when I was a teenager, and that's a hell of a long time ago...... Let's see what happens.-- Smerus ( talk) 11:52, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Researching the Grand Tour, I have twice been pointed into this database of quotes about experiencing music. https://led.kmi.open.ac.uk/
The Listening Experience Database (LED) project is a collaboration between The Open University, the Royal College of Music and (in its second phase) the University of Glasgow. It was awarded a £0.75m grant over three years from 2012-15 and a further grant of £0.98m from 2016-19 by the Arts and Humanities Research Council. The main purpose of the project is to develop a database, freely searchable by the public, which will bring together a mass of data about people’s experiences of listening to music of all kinds, in any historical period and any culture.
I have not yet much tested it in its own right. Charles Burney's words are in, Stendhal's apparently not. Scarabocchio ( talk) 18:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi all. In researching Menotti's opera Martin's Lie (which Menotti referred to as a "church opera"), I came across a rather lengthy article in Grove entitled "Sacred opera" by Graham Dixon and Richard Taruskin. Given the substantial article on this topic in a major reference work, there appears to be a need for such an article on wikipedia. It's not a topic I would want to tackle alone because of its complexity. Perhaps, we could make this a collaborative project at some point? 4meter4 ( talk) 23:31, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, what evidence is there of standing whilst playing solos being a 'Hungarian tradition'? This is a new one on me. If you can trace no other examples of it, it would seem to me to be merely an eccentricity of Grun. Best, -- Smerus ( talk) 12:30, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
I've been asked to take a look at Draft:Karina Flores which was submitted to Wikipedia:Articles for creation. I'm a fairly experienced reviewer there but would like some extra input. The article is rather rough around the edges to say the least, but I think she may be notable enough to move this into article space. The main criteria for moving is that the subject has more than a 50% chance of passing an Afd and is reliably sourced with inline citations.
It's a pity that there aren't more reviews of her actual performances (as opposed to announcements or articles about the productions) in major publications or feature articles written about her. But she does appear to have sung leading roles with reasonably prominent companies, notably Teatro San Carlo (their summer opera festival), Teatro Regio di Torino, Helikon Opera, Israeli Opera, which we usually take as signifying notability in the case of an opera singer. She also sings Lisa on a recording of Pique Dame (Israeli Opera conducted by Vladimir Jurowski). It was reviewed in the BBC Music magazine and in Gramophone. She won an Austrian Music Theater Prize [1] for her performance as Adriana Lecouvreur at the Tyrolean State Theatre. Don't know how important the prize is (the source is all in German) and was a finalist but not the winner of the Voci Verdiane in Busseto.
Thoughts?
Voceditenore ( talk) 17:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
The subject of Opernhaus Zürich is currently covered in two articles: Zürich Opera House, Zürich Opera. The latter's talk page saw a brief merge discussion, in which experienced editor User:DJRafe opposed the move, seeing that the building also houses the Ballett Zürich. However, with this opera company sharing similar conditions with the Vienna State Opera, which also has a largely intertwined history between the institute and its resident building, one article (dealing with both company and house) should suffice (as per to the precedent). Seanetienne ( talk) 08:45, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Please see Talk:The Flying Dutchman (opera)#Requested move 10 April 2021 Aza24 ( talk) 05:22, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
The synopsis of this opera was just removed as a copyright violation, but it seems like viva Verdi wrote the synopsis and added it to to two different pages that use the same story. I’m not sure I would call that a copyright violation. Opinions? 4meter4 ( talk) 11:23, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
I would like to slightly improve and simplify the presentation of
selected audio files at
Portal:Opera. The current implementation uses the
obsolete HTML tag <center>...</center>
, and the template {{
Multi-listen item}} which produces a weird list dot at the left margin:
From
Giuseppe Verdi's
Un ballo in maschera, sung by
Enrico Caruso,
Frieda Hempel, Maria Duchêne, Andrés de Segurola and
Léon Rothier (1914)
I propose instead to use the the template {{
Listen}} and its parameter |pos=center
for the presentation of the audio file:
From Giuseppe Verdi's Un ballo in maschera, sung by Enrico Caruso, Frieda Hempel, Maria Duchêne, Andrés de Segurola and Léon Rothier (1914)
To reproduce the old appearance exactly, the file's title has to be centered with {{ Center}}. I'm not sure that's needed. This is the output, sans bottom matter, without it:
If this is adopted, the text at Portal:Opera/Selected audio/Layout also needs to be adjusted. Thoughts? -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 14:02, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
|pos=center
, which makes the use of {{Center block}} unnecessary. I changed to code above accordingly. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk)
03:08, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
...who is in her nineties has an article that has almost no inline citations. When she dies, she won't be okayed for the Recent Deaths section of In The News in the shape it's in now. —valereee ( talk) 00:01, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
This template is being discussed for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2021_May_1#Template:Operabase.
The {{ Operabase}} template passed the composer and/or worktitle as text parameters to a performance search. Back in 2018, the site changed its calling interface to use id numbers for composers, works, artists, companies etc, breaking the links. There didn't seem any quick fix, so Michael Bednarek swiftly and usefully disabled the template.
Interestingly, deWP has a similar template, currently linking over 1000 company and singer pages, and this is working. Somehow, from somewhere, they have the Operabase company and artist id numbers on file ... if we can find out where/how they have these, a fix for enWP's template could be straight-forward.
I'll be able to look at this in mid-May. If anyone else would like to jump-in before then, you are most welcome (my template writing muscles are somewhat out of practice, anyway!). Scarabocchio ( talk) 15:52, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I just created this article on soprano Joyce Mathis. I couldn't find any info on her date of birth/death. I did find an article dated July 16, 1975 which said she was 31 years old at the time. I found several obituaries of siblings who said she pre-deceased them, the oldest of which dates to April 25, 2009. She pretty much disappears from media after 1993, and there was a concert dedicated to her in 1994 which I can only get a partial view of the source. I suspect she may have died in 93 or 94, but it is possible she just simply stopped performing and lived longer. If anyone is able to find a source confirming a birth date or death date I would appreciate it. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, not sure if it's appropriate to request this here, but the page for the San Francisco Opera is seriously out of date. I tagged it as such well over a year ago, but no significant updates have been made since that time. My spouse works for the company so I have a potential conflict of interest, and thus would prefer not to make the updates myself. Thanks! Funcrunch ( talk) 20:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Category:Opera articles needing expert attention has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Peaceray ( talk) 21:25, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
If anyone cares to pitch in, this article has had lots of tags for a while. 4meter4 ( talk) 01:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Schwede66 just moved the article on baritone Erik Ole Bye to Eric Bye (rower). He's arguably more famous as a singer than an athlete, notably appearing on many early recordings. I don't agree with the appropriateness of this name change. 4meter4 ( talk) 20:33, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
As it is very clear from the above that he was better known as a baritone than a rower, I have moved the article to Erik Bye (baritone). Which then leaves the issue whether that is the appropriate article name or whether we should use his full name. Thanks, Narky Blert, for digging out four RS that list him with his full name. Databases will almost always use full names for people, and I therefore suggest that there is just one source that is of interest: Great Norwegian Encyclopedia. I'm saying that because it lists other people not by their full name, notably his son. So have they made an exception here to create what Wikipedians know as "natural disambiguation" (see WP:QUALIFIER)? I don't know. For that reason, I have had a look around to see whether there are posters online or LP records. After searching around, I came across something that he seems to be famous for and a Google image search for the string "hei, huskom, i hei erik ole bye" produces results that show a number of images with "Erik Bye" and none (that I could spot) with "Erik Ole Bye". Omitting "Ole" from that search string produces even more images that show "Erik Bye". Hence I maintain that the current article base name is the common name. If others here disagree, I suggest that we should initiate a formal discussion via Wikipedia:Requested moves. If you want me to, I would be happy to initiate the RM. Schwede 66 21:57, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello - Please have a look at Rosa - A Horse Drama which I have expanded. I think it's probably no longer a stub. Can we change its grading? I'm relatively inexperienced here and learning the ropes - any tidying up if needed is appreciated. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 17:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello everyone! I am currently working on bringing the article I wrote to GA status and wanted to ask for your help. I have found numerous mentions on Newspapers.com as well as rummaged through Google results, however I don't feel quite content. Could you share your experience - where else should I go to find more reviews about Marita Napier's performances as well as her personality. Thank you! Best, Less Unless ( talk) 15:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
I thought I'd proposed Rosa as Opera of the Month but it's turned up in composer of the month and opera of the month has a blank page. Rosa is written by Andriessen but Rosa was also a composer. If the composer Rosa is listed as composer of the month Greenaway's work is complete! Confusion reigns.. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 19:53, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
I invite editors to take a look here. User:Bilby has I believe overstepped the mark in (twice) deleting an entry I have made on the basis of COI. What I posted was supported by two independent sources (and I could provide five or six more). I hope it is needless to say that I obtain no remuneration or any other benefit from being on the board of HGO. If I published the comment without mentioning HGO Bilby would presumably find it acceptable. But is it reasonable to leave it out? I would be grateful for editors' comments/ recommendations.-- Smerus ( talk) 12:46, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
I just saw in Opera News this obituary for Paul Kellogg; longtime opera director of Glimmerglass Opera and also former director of the New York City Opera. He died on April 28, 2021. There's also a substantial obituary in the New York Times. We currently lack an article on him if anyone is looking for a project. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Gianna Rolandi died, coloratura at the New City Opera in the 1980s. There are some facts commented out in the article for which I couldn't find a source. Other additions also welcome. On the Main page. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:30, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Tool for finding all pages currently linking to a particular domain
Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Past creation and cleanup requests are archived here. Voceditenore ( talk) 11:29, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore ( talk) 14:04, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
As of September 2018, there are over 3000 opera-related articles classed as "stubs". The full list can be found at Category:Stub-Class Opera articles. If you have some free time, consider checking these once in a awhile to see if the class still applies. Some may well have been considerably expanded since they were last rated. Or you may find a potentially useful/important topic that you could expand or nominate for the monthly collaborations. Voceditenore ( talk) 14:03, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Rosa - A Horse Drama no longer a stub. I think. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 21:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
I recently had this conversation at User talk:MB#Lead images which others might want to comment on.
I noticed that you removed the composer's image from all of Daron Hagen's operas with the edit summary, "rmv images not of subject from infobox" and " MOS:LEADIMAGE, image should be of the subject - a poster or advertisement of the opera, not the composer". 1) MOS:LEADIMAGE does not prescribe a lead image in the detail you assert ("poster or advertisement of the opera"). 2) There are hundreds of opera articles that show the composer's image, which is fully in line with MOS:LEAD. 3) I've been editing opera articles here for 15 years, and I've never seen anyone proposing a guideline similar to your edit summary, nor have I ever encountered an editor who removed a composer's image from an opera article. I suggest you restore the image in all those instances where you removed them from opera pages. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 00:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- If there are other article on operas with images of the composer then they should be removed also. Operas are no different that other works of art, e.g. TV shows, books, movies, sculptures, paintings, etc. I have never seen one of this with an image of any person associated with the work. They commonly contain an image of a logo, book cover, title card, the artwork itself, etc. MOS:LEADIMAGE says the images should "representations of the topic". I don't see that the composer is a representation of the topic. MB 01:01, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm completely baffled by the implications of that editor's argument. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 01:56, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
This is a useful list for our project. Perhaps we could partner with Women in Red on working on this list in some fashion? 4meter4 ( talk) 15:38, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
See this Opera News obituary. 4meter4 ( talk) 20:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Wow. I attended a session of the IAML conference in which staff of the Ricordi Archive gave an overview of their digital activities. They are heavily involved not just with Wikipedia but with Wikidata, WikiCommons and WikiSource. They are creating Italian-language-only articles on lots of operas and people involved with operas, have uploaded 1,066 images to the Commons so far, and on WikiSource, are uploading Gazzetta Musicale di Milano for 1842 (when finished it will be 228 pages on WikiSource). Just a heads up for those who may want to investigate. - kosboot ( talk) 18:38, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Voice type articles such as Bass and most notably Soprano like to make Fach lower case. Baritone is the exception that capitalizes it. From a bit of googling and my knowledge of German grammar, I'd guess that this should be capitalized. Is it a musical literature thing to make it lower case? Either way, we should aim to standardize on one or the other. Which do we vote for? Dhalamh ( talk) 13:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Which common, well-known, opera has a two versions, with a lead role which is a tenor in one, rewritten for a baritone in the other? (There's no prize, it's just torturing me not being able to bring it to mind). Scarabocchio ( talk) 11:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone have a contact at the Royal Opera House in London? Gerda Arendt suggested I ask if someone in this project might have such a contact. Information courtesy of GRuban is that the organisation has a Flickr account with lots of photos of British opera singers. Can they be persuaded to licence the images suitable for Wikipedia? The request started through me wanting to add a picture of Susan Bickley to a page about her currently under construction. -- MerielGJones ( talk) 22:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Over the last few months I've been working with New Zealand Opera as a Wikipedian in Residence, primarily to help them release photos from their archive to Commons (once we'd established copyright holders and gotten clearances from one photographer). I only had ten days contracted with them, but we managed to make a good start: see the Wikipedia:GLAM/NZOpera report. I'm a novice at working with opera articles, and appreciated the help of several people in this project; any improvements others would like to make would be welcome. As a WiR I had a pretty standard memorandum of understanding making it clear that I had editorial control, and so expanded the New Zealand Opera article under that agreement, working independently of the company itself apart from a couple of site visits to avoid COI issues.
One thing to note is the large number of high-quality production photos in their collection: I uploaded a couple of hundred from nine different productions, but the company has put on around 50 operas in their 20-year history, including many standards, so there's scope for much more work. I'm currently preparing a funding proposal to work full-time with NZ Opera for several months to a) upload photos from all their productions into Commons, b) put all their productions, artists, and creative team into Wikidata, c) create articles about New Zealand opera performers, particularly Māori and Pacific Island singers, and d) expand or create articles about NZ opera companies and opera history.
I'd appreciate feedback on the work so far. What problems or opportunities do you see, and are their folks who would like to endorse or volunteer to help with such a project? — Giantflightlessbirds ( talk) 23:13, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi, while writing an article about Cimarosas Le astuzie femminili for the german wikipedia I noticed a recording of conductor Simone Perugini which I found slightly suspicious. He appears to have specialiced to Cimarosas operas and has apparently already recorded many of them and also published several critical editions. But none of his singers are known otherwise. So I googled a bit and found these forum threads: Simone Perugini (Conductor) - Passing Off Past Opera Recordings As His Own!, Who the heck is Simone Perugini? and Fraudes discográficos y/u operísticos: Simone Perugini. What do you think about it? He is mentioned in three articles here: Il matrimonio segreto (with a self published interview at opennemas.com), Cleopatra (Cimarosa) and The Barber of Seville (Paisiello). Is his CD label RC Record Classic a fraud? Are his „critical editions“ just fascimile prints as this worldcat entry suggests? What about the recording of Le astuzie femminili at YouTube? The files are „Provided … by Routenote“, „Auto-generated by YouTube“, released as „Public Domain“ and don't allow comments. -- Rodomonte ( talk) 07:47, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
If you don't received the online newsletter "This Month in GLAM" you may be unaware of a Wikipedian-in-Residence working at New Zealand Opera. One of the results is a donation of 200 photographs to Commons: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2021/Single#New_Zealand_report - kosboot ( talk) 02:44, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
The company is mentioned on the Main page with Jean-Paul Jeannotte, and - as I see only now, sorry - is a sad stub. There's much more in French. Help? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
This editor was an enthusiastic editor in the area of opera, though stopped editing in 2015. His death has recently been announced. A sad loss. He was a former colleague and introduced me to Wikipedia editing, many years ago. Pam D 17:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
I created a draft article for UK baritone Peter Brathwaite, but do not have access to some of the UK sources that are needed. I also do not know where to look in particular for opera-related info. My main interest in Brathwaite was in the art he created during the pandemic lockdown. I would greatly appreciate if someone more knowledgeable could improve this article enough for it to exit draft status. Thanks. Lamona ( talk) 14:09, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
I am wondering about the use of multiple links to the same Wikipedia article. I have been wondering if that is unique to opera articles - or if it's just that someone liked having each instance of a role and opera linked.
Your input is greatly appreciated.– CaroleHenson ( talk) 00:05, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Recently I heard (off-wiki) that an editor's edits were reverted simply because the sources were not in English. I thought that was incomprehensibly ridiculous so I posted to Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#Non-English_sources. One editor responded, essentially justifying that argument. I still find it incomprehensible, especially for a project like this which heavily depends on non-English sources. If you are inclined, I encourage you to post to that thread (hopefully supporting the notion that non-English sources are valid). - kosboot ( talk) 14:10, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
This person's daughter wrote a huge uncited wiki article on her with bombastic claims including an illustrious career with the Met. The wiki article has now been gutted. Anyway, nothing seems to come up on her in OperaBase (unless I am searching incorrectly). Anyone care to check and see if she actually had a citable operatic career? Softlavender ( talk) 07:28, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi all. This version of the June Preston article written by the subject's daughter made some pretty extraordinary claims about Preston and her work with the Metropolitan Opera. The Metropolitan Opera Archives contain no record of her having sung with the company. The archive is a complete record of all of the company's performance both in New York and on tour; so it's clear that this information was false. I did digging and found sources in Variety (magazine) and Opera News which explained that the tour included singers under contract from the Met and other American companies, but that it was not affiliated in any way with the Met even though ithe company was billed/named "Stars of the Metropolitan Opera". There was some question raised about whether this content was necessary, but I feel it is given that inaccurate content has been posted by the subject's daughter on other websites. Thoughts on how we should handle this would be appreciated, whatever they may be. All comments welcome. Thanks. 4meter4 ( talk) 22:21, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Just saw this obituary in The New York Times. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:21, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Discussion here-- Smerus ( talk) 20:49, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
I have a lengthy footnote here detailing why it must date from 1913. Can I just get a quick fact-check? I'm pretty damn sure, though, that the Getty image's naming of the theatre this is for narrows it down to the Paris première. But more eyes never hurt! Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 12:36, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
New here. I posted this in the Talk page but I'm not sure how much traction that gets--feel free to remove this if it's the wrong place. The article mentions that Strauss had been working on the operetta in 1883; however, Mór Jókai's novel, A cigánybáró, wasn't published until 1885, and not until 1886 in German, after the premiere date given for the operetta. It could be that Strauss could read Hungarian and was regularly fed new reading material, but I don't see anything indicating this. Either way, the dates don't seem to work out. Likewise, the source is given as Sáffi, but Mór Jókai's novel (novella), A cigánybáró, translates to English as "the gypsy baron." Did he have another work titled Sáffi that also happens to have the same translation but doesn't appear in the list of his works on the Mór Jókai page? Further, a google search for Sáffi by Mór Jókai only seems to find links to the opera, not any mention of an actual novel. It would be great if someone could clear this up. Jacobw56 ( talk) 02:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
I see the article on this work adheres strictly to Debussy's designation of this work as a "mystery play." But it's not a play, or at least, does not meet one's expectations of a play. It's not incidental music but music composed in conjunction with a text intended to be acted out. I see the library world considers this work an opera. What do the rest of you say? - kosboot ( talk) 14:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Just as a heads up of sorts, I've restored the lead image finally. It's only used in the opera's article now; it might well be worth spreading. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 10:40, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Also, and I realise her opera connection kind of fades into less importance compared to, y'know, the whole civil rights and all the other performaces she did, but Marian Anderson, first African-American performer at the Metropolitan Opera is also now the subject of a featured picture. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs 00:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Just to check before I go adding the likely-soon-to-be-featured poster here and to the portal, while clearly an important musician, and she clearly sung arias from opera (and very well), is that sufficient connection for inclusion in the portal? Her page is' in our Wikiproject, though, weirdly enough, it appears to be added by a bot: [7] Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs 22:15, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Opera (British magazine): The programme of the @RegioParma’s Festival Verdi 2022 has been announced (Sep 22-Oct), including new productions of La forza del destino and Simon Boccanegra (1857 version), and also Il trovatore, the Requiem and Quattro pezzi sacri, etc.
(Pic: Viva-Verdi)
https://twitter.com/operamagazine/status/1490747327623143429 Scarabocchio ( talk) 18:15, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Today's featured picture - for a change not by you, Adam - is from Falstaff, to which he contributed much of the content and the infobox:
What do project members thing about an infobox for Cosima Wagner? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:39, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Gerda Arendt: still nominated by me. But, more on topic - I'd say infoboxes are really suitable to people as they collect a lot of basic information - birthdate, death date, nationality and so on - in one place. Even if we've turned against sidebars in opera pages, I think we should stick to standard biographical practice. But don't look at me, I'm the image guy. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs 22:20, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Over at Portal:Opera, I've just added FP 149, Sissieretta Jones. I know that's a horribly inaccurate count and basically meaningless, but since it's still a big round number, any suggestions for #150? Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs 23:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Having sen Nabucco on today's Main page (OTD), I believe it could be a GA, and nominated. Some references are missing. Please watch and help if possible, - sadly the principal author and expert Viva-Verdi can't help us. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
The birth and death dates in this article are different than what is in Grove. Likewise, Grove asserts the name most commonly used is Elena Angri versus Elena D'Angri in its choice of name. The Grove entry is titled "Angri [D’Angri], Elena [Nazarena, Mattia, Catterina]" with the article stating (b Corfu, May 14, 1821; d Barcelona, Nov 5, 1886). My question is, what is the reason behind the lack of specific date of birth and a different death date in the article given that Grove is in the listed references and presumably the Grove content was viewed and rejected. I'm inclined to just use Grove's straight forward material. 4meter4 ( talk) 14:31, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
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Comments, whatever they may be, would be welcome at this discussion. 4meter4 ( talk) 17:48, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
I heard Eleonora Buratto sing Cio-Cio-San on this past Saturday's Met live radio broadcast, and her singing was very very fine. I looked up her wiki and it's a tiny stub. Apparently it was created by a COI/SPA in 2015 and was mainly a copyvio, and was gutted. Apparently another(?) COI/SPA tried to do the same thing a few months ago and it was again gutted.
So it needs one of us types to flesh it out at least a little bit more.
Anyone care to help out? Pinging Michael_Bednarek who may have heard the broadcast; Smerus; really anybody with any interest and a smattering of time. I wish Voceditenore was still active in this stuff but I see she has wound down.
Anyway, any help appreciated. I'd do it myself but my time is limited right now due to events in my personal life.
Cheers all! Softlavender ( talk) 23:18, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
I am tied up at present organizing this but will take a look when I can. Best-- Smerus ( talk) 13:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Input is needed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 15#Violoneux. All opinions welcome. 4meter4 ( talk) 02:21, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
The article about Ambur Braid has not been encyclopedic from the start, - help? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
This draft has been abandoned. Any interest from anyone here in rescuing it? ~ Kvng ( talk) 17:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Christian Van Horn is another. ~ Kvng ( talk) 19:13, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Folks!! Is there any barnstars for folk who create particularly good opera articles. scope_creep Talk 10:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
why aren't they included AND how do the listed seven compare to the usual (4)names for (4)male and (3)female? i just want to understand the why, when & where :D A breakdown of each major category saying which "usual mentioned" voice is in which of the major seven... would be nice
i'm asking for experts because I know bass and alto are two i usually hear but isn't listed as one of the seven.... and i have a good falsetto so wondering about that, meanwhile my research mentioned "whispers" which I've never heard of before so even an example would help Qazwiz ( talk) 19:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC) Qazwiz ( talk) 19:22, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Project members may wish to comment here. All opinions welcome. 4meter4 ( talk) 09:33, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
There apparently used to be a governmental source that offered scans of a lot of his scores, but it disappeared, which just shows the value of porting stuff over to Commons. Annoying because I can't find a published version that doesn't claim copyright. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 8.1% of all FPs 15:38, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Currently a redirect to opera. The redirect is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 11. 4meter4 ( talk) 20:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Mariana Nicolesco died, a Romanian soprano in a world premiere of a Berio opera without article at La Scala, and Penderecki wrote Seven Gates of Jerusalem for her, but no obit (yet) which isn't in Romanian. Is there anybody who could sift the Romanian references? ... find her entry in the La Scala archives which is gone? ... find references for some wild claims such as 200 times La traviata and the laundry lists of people and places? - It would be nice to send her to Recent deaths on the Main page, but not possible underreferenced as it is. ... I'll go out to the opera, and hope for a miracle. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:10, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
The daughter of publisher Richard L. Simon and the older sister of Carly Simon and Lucy Simon (who also died a day later), Joanna began her career as a mezzo with the New York City Opera. She sang in several world premieres; including operas by Alberto Ginastera, Thomas Pasatieri, and Robert Starer. She was the first singer to record the role of Irene in Handel's Tamerlano. and she also made recordings with Leonard Bernstein and the New York Philharmonic ( Claude Debussy's Le Martyre de saint Sébastien and the role of Brangane in Richard Wagner's Tristan and Isolde); William Steinberg and the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra (Beethoven's Symphony No. 9 ), and the Vienna Philharmonic and Herbert von Karajan (Mozart's Coronation Mass and Anton Bruckner's Te Deum). She later was the Arts Correspondent for PBS's MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour from 1986-1992; winning an Emmy Award for her work. Married to the novelist Gerald Walker from 1976 until his death in 2004, she was the companion of Walter Cronkite from 2005 until his death in 2009.
I have nominated her article at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates. I recently rescued this article from AFD and greatly expanded it. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
I started a new article. Please feel free to edit and to fix any mistakes and errors. Bearian ( talk) 19:13, 6 November 2022 (UTC)