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Although we've made great progress on the sport and event pages, we've always struggled with an effective formatting style for the per-nation pages. About the only thing that is consistent is infobox usage. Based on some old discussion, we're using the pictogram icons on the 2008 pages, and I've started to use a sortable table format for list of medalists, such as China at the 2004 Summer Olympics. (It's a big table, but still better than a simple wikilist, I think.) As for the results sections, we started to use tables in the 2006 and other pages, but for some reason, any of the previous styles never looked good to my eyes. Now, Great Britain at the 2008 Summer Olympics is starting to look really good, in my opinion, with effective sport-specific tables. Perhaps we can agree to use that format for all 2008 pages? — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 17:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Athlete | Event | Round of 64 | Round of 32 |
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Opposition Score |
Opposition Score | ||
Li Guojie | Individual épée | ![]() 20-1 |
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Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 200 m Freestyle | 2:00.00 | 14 Q | 1:59.00 | 9 | Did not advance | |
400 m Freestyle | 4:00.00 | 5 Q | 3:45.00 |
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800 m Freestyle | 8:00.00 | 9 | Did not advance |
Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 200 m Freestyle | 2:00.00 | 14 Q | 1:59.00 | 9 | Did not advance | |
400 m Freestyle | 4:00.00 | 5 Q | 3:45.00 |
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800 m Freestyle | 8:00.00 | 9 | Did not advance |
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shade). Do you think we really need colors for other situations?Should there be a watchlist created for all the 2008 Olympic related articles? The only one I know of is from the Tropical Cyclone project. Are there any more? I'm sure it would be quite usefull for many reasons including vandal fighting. - CWY2190( talk • contributions) 04:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I've only just noticed this project, although I should have guessed it existed. I've started a number of articles on Olympic and Paralympic athletes, as well as quite a few "Nation at the 2008 Summer Olympics" articles. I've also started all the "Nation at the 2008 Summer Paralympics" currently existing; you can see the list here. If anyone would like to help out in that field, that would be great, as I'm the only one who's been working on it so far, and coverage of the Paralympics in the media (and in Wikipedia) is comparatively sparse. Anyway, great work, everyone! There's a heck of a lot to be done on the Olympics, but I see you've all done a heck of a lot already. Aridd ( talk) 10:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
This article has just been nominated for deletion at AfD. Please add your comments. Thanks. – Pee Jay 19:29, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Most of the footer templates (see Category:Olympic champions templates) use a show/hide navbox. A while ago, before show/hide boxes were quite so ubiquitous, I worked on a couple of other ways to reduce the visual template bloat. One idea was a horizontal scroll bar, per this version of Template:Footer Olympic Champions 4x400 m Men. Although I'm still kind of fond of this approach it seems to be distinctly disfavored. Another approach is what I did with Template:Footer Olympic Champions 4x100 m Men, which displays all years (linked to a winner in that year) and then winners for years passed in as parameters. I think it's quite useful, particularly for relay events. Anyone have any thoughts for or against using this approach for other events? It's not an overly big deal, but having this one template unlike any of the others seems a bit odd. -- Rick Block ( talk) 16:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
If there a list of preferred infoboxes for sportspeople by sport? I've seen Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Infoboxes, but it doesn't list every sport, and going through Category:Sports infobox templates and subcats often isn't clear on which, if any, is preferred. Is there a default Olympian infobox that can be stuck on articles? Kolindigo ( talk) 00:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I note that the 2004 Olympics is still a start class even though this is a high priority. I've been working through some of a prose edits and it appears to me to be farther along than a "Start" rating would indicate. Any thoughts? H1nkles ( talk) 22:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Howdy! Over at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Olympic_and_Chinese_themed_DYKs, I've proposed making a concentrated effort to try and feature at least one Olympic or Chinese themed DYK with each update during the Beijing Olympics. I'd like to invite members of the Wikiproject Olympics to submit any new or recently expanded (5x) Olympic theme article to Template talk:Did you know for potential featuring on the main page. If you have questions, please don't hesitate to ask on WT:DYK or feel free to contact me personally. Thanks! Agne Cheese/ Wine 20:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
The fencing event articles need updated. Right now they are just a sentence. They need the brackets added. I'm working on men's epee and someone else started women's sabre. Those are the first two events. Others need made though. - CWY2190( talk • contributions) 08:42, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
All of the tennis opponents were moved from Women's Singles, Women's Doubles, Men's Singles and Men's Doubles to all tennis participating nations.
They are now seen in every nation's olympic Wikipedia site, at the Tennis section. Tabels are free to fill with results when these come. They are made in a best-looking style I can think of. Easy to use and pretty surveyable.
Example:
R Federer (
SUI)
versus
D Tursunov (
RUS)
Both Federer and Tursunov are now listed at the Tennis section in Switzerland's and Russia's olympic Wikipedia pages.
Feel free to edit the tables and fill in the results whenever you wish. Znamkar ( talk) 21:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Athlete | Event | Round of 64 | Round of 32 | ||
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Opposition | Score | Opposition | Score | ||
Roger Federer | Singles | ![]() |
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Stanislas Wawrinka | Singles | ![]() |
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Roger Federer <br\> Stanislas Wawrinka | Doubles | ![]() A Seppi |
athlete
parameter, that allows us to write whatever we want. So you can place both tennis players' names in it and still get only one flag image and the country's Olympic link at the end — {{flagIOCathlete|[[Simone Bolelli|S Bolelli]] and [[Andreas Seppi|A Seppi]]|ITA|2008 Summer}}
gives Did anyone just watch this, the best opening ceremony EVER, outstanding fireworks and inspirational flame lighting, looking like it's going to be the best games EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Highfields ( talk) ( contribs) 18:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I have another question. What do we use to put in tables for athletes who did not finish the event (e.g. cycling road race).
I am using this solution:
Rider | Professional Team | Event | Time | Rank |
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Jason McCartney |
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Road race | did not finish |
Please tell me your opinion about it. Znamkar ( talk) 09:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I've added all of the cycling results from today's Men's road race into each participating country's cycling section on their Olympic pages.
Example: Italy's Olympic page has this results table.
Men
Athlete | Event | Time | Rank |
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Paolo Bettini | Road race | 6h 24' 24 (+0:35) | 18th |
Marzio Bruseghin | Road race | 6h 34' 26 (+10:37) | 63rd |
Vincenzo Nibali | Road race | did not finish | |
Franco Pellizotti | Road race | 6h 31' 06 (+7:17) | 50th |
Davide Rebellin | Road race | 6h 23' 49 (+0:00) | 2nd
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I hope I've done everything properly and typed all of the names correctly. If you find anything to edit, feel free to do so.
Greetings, Znamkar ( talk) 13:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Athlete | Event | Time | Rank |
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Paolo Bettini | Road race | 6h 24' 24 (+0:35) | 18th |
Marzio Bruseghin | Road race | 6h 34' 26 (+10:37) | 63rd |
Vincenzo Nibali | Road race | did not finish | |
Franco Pellizotti | Road race | 6h 31' 06 (+7:17) | 50th |
Davide Rebellin | Road race | 6h 23' 49 (+0:00) |
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Athlete | Event | Time | Rank |
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Alberto Contador | Road race | did not finish | |
Time trial | |||
Óscar Freire | Road race | did not finish | |
Samuel Sánchez | Road race | 6h 23' 49 |
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Time trial | |||
Carlos Sastre | Road race | 6h 31' 06 (+7:17) | 49th |
Alejandro Valverde | Road race | 6h 24' 19 (+0:30) | 13th |
Some users at 2008 Summer Olympics medal count have been insisting on adding a list of every medalist to the page, but I keep telling them that it is not the right place. The list would be somewhat useful to have, so should we just create a page for it? I'm not sure if it would really be that useful, and there is another discussion here. -- Scorpion 0422 16:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
The article is at List of 2008 Summer Olympics medal winners. I find this to be very convenient and there should be a very simple list like this for every Olympics. It was split up into every sport article ( Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics#Medal summary) and individual event article ( Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 100 metres), but it is very convenient to have a single list. Reywas92 Talk 23:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Apparently this project goes by the IOC's official standings which rate by the gold medal. I think every news agency rated by the overall total. Every source on the '08 page ranks by the overall total standard. Does anyone think that we should change to the more common one as it deals with a less confusing system, not to mention it is the standard that everyone seems to go by? Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 00:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I find it strange that the IOC doesn't even keep count and I was told that we sorted by their way. Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 20:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
According to Portal:Current events/Sports nothing has happened in Beijing since 7 August. Anyone want to rectify that? 86.21.74.40 ( talk) 01:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. I am just wondering if there is an icon or a little graphic that represents "Olympic Record"? I do not like seeing ORs all the time. If there's no icon, do we need to create one? thanks -- Jackl 02:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
{{
OR}}
, but that template name is used to tag
WP:Original research violations. —
Andrwsc (
talk ·
contribs)
21:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
What's the guideline for teams winning medals, and listing them on pages such as United States at the 2008 Summer Olympics? Obviously like if the 20+ person baseball team wins a medal, we don't need to list every member, but how about swimming relay teams, of 4 people, or even the basketball team which is around 10 or 12? I assume beach volleyball duos are to be listed together as individual medalists, just with a line break. Nosleep ( talk) 03:35, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Recently there appears to be a group that has been randomly adding "Australia" entries to future Olympics pages that are either non-sourced or completely bogus. I've been cleaning up the 2028 Olympics page, but they keep coming back. I know there's not much that can be done, but those of you watching the other future bids pages might want to take a look at the pages you're monitoring. It's truly annoying. -- TruckOttr ( talk) 06:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
A user has recently approached me regarding several edits made to various top-level Olympics pages in the past few weeks, changing the wording "the games were held from" to "the games were celebrated from" and feels as though to any average English speaker the former is the best choice, and the edits should be reverted. I told the editor that we've sort of come accustomed to using celebrated, but I figured I'd bring it here to garner some opinion before an edit war ensues. Basically, "held" or "celebrated"? Jared (t) 18:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2008_Summer_Olympics&diff=229927648&oldid=229878841
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2004_Summer_Olympics&diff=142456145&oldid=142234060
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=1996_Summer_Olympics&diff=196588558&oldid=196587313
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=1992_Summer_Olympics&diff=196588459&oldid=191405661
Not sure how many more there are. So basically this word is the opinion of this one guy,
Hektor. I go with 'Held' in case you didn't realise! :-)
Lewispb (
talk)
22:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
If managed properly, this portal can act as the first page for all past & future Olympics. However, it's in a pretty bad form at the moment. Let's all improve it when a lot of editors are finding ways to improve Olympics-related contents. OhanaUnited Talk page 19:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
We have zillions of little articles on each event in the 2008 olympics, which is great. However, I've noticed that many of these articles are focused only on giving the results, and lack even the most basic information or links to explain what the event is — i.e., what does the event involve, what are the rules, and so on.
To pick a random example, consider:
A typical reader who is doesn't know much about swimming sports will have no idea what a "medley relay" is, and the article provides no information on this. At the very least, it should link directly to our general article on Medley swimming (which you can only get to now by clicking through two links, or searching, but it is not obvious). Ideally, it should link to a specific article on the Olympic medley relay events, explaining precisely what these events involve. And, ideally, the article itself should have a one- or two- sentence summary of the event.
As I said, this is true for many of the articles, not just for swimming events, and it is easy to find other examples. e.g. Weightlifting at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Women's 58 kg requires you to go through two links and read through half of the weightlifting page to find out that this involves contestants with a body mass of at most 58 kg, who must either snatch or clean and jerk as much weight as possible in three attempts, taken in turns. Would that information be so hard to put into the article directly?
Remember that a lot of people will be looking at these pages, not just to learn about the results of an event, but because they are interested to know what sporting events are going on in the 2008 olympics and what they involve. We should make it as easy as possible for people to learn about each sport and the specific Olympic rules from visiting the 2008 games pages.
Thanks again for all your efforts.
—Steven G. Johnson ( talk) 05:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I think I've got all the 2008 events to where there's at least a brief description of the competition's rules and format, typically with a link to more information where necessary. Let me know if there are any problems, or if I've missed any! -- Jonel ( Speak to me) 00:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Greetings, WikiProject Olympics! Current two articles have been nominated by Becky Sayles for deletion: 2008 Summer Olympics highlights / Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008 Summer Olympics highlights and 2006 Winter Olympics highlights / Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 Winter Olympics highlights. I believe the 2008 article will be fine, but the 2006 article could use some cleanup and sourcing. Geologik ( talk) 06:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
A user has added these to all the 'Nation at the 2008 Summer Olympics' pages under 'medallists', see China at the 2008 Summer Olympics. I'm relatively sure that this goes against what the regular convention is for these articles, but I wanted to see if I was correct before doing anything. It seems to me to be overkill to have these tables, do others agree? Edged ( talk) 08:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
If the consensus is definitely to remove them I shall take them out at the same time as removing the "current event" templates. Basement12 (T. C) 10:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Apologises for the undoing of your work on the Great Britain page, Basement12. Nice work keeping it tidy recently. Dave ( talk) 14:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Following some back-and-forth editing on the GBR page, i'd like to get a concensus on the bgcolor used for medallists in the results tables. Following previous discussion on this talk page ( Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Cycling results (Men's Road Race)), I was under the impression that we decided that a bgcolor was unnecessary, instead opting for the medal image and making the athlete name in bold. For example, currently we have:
Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 200 m freestyle | ||||||
400 m freestyle | 4.02.24 CR | 2 Q | 4:03.22 |
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800 m freestyle |
Personnaly I prefer the following because:
Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 200 m freestyle | ||||||
400 m freestyle | 4.02.24 CR | 2 Q | 4:03.22 |
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800 m freestyle |
As a compromise, perhaps putting the bgcolor on only the final round of competition?:
Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 200 m freestyle | ||||||
400 m freestyle | 4.02.24 CR | 2 Q | 4:03.22 |
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800 m freestyle |
Are there any good examples on other nations' pages and can we come to some kind of common ground for all nations. Yboy83 ( talk) 10:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Rank | Lane | Name | Nationality | Time | Notes |
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1
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7 | Britta Steffen | ![]() |
53.12 | OR |
2
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8 | Lisbeth Trickett | ![]() |
53.16 | |
3
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4 | Natalie Coughlin | ![]() |
53.39 | AM |
Rank | Lane | Name | Nationality | Time | Notes |
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7 | Britta Steffen | ![]() |
53.12 | OR |
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8 | Lisbeth Trickett | ![]() |
53.16 | |
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4 | Natalie Coughlin | ![]() |
53.39 | AM |
Any new opinions on the last proposal? Regarding the two forms above, the first one is widely used at the moment in the older articles but the recent are starting to pick the second one that is better since the flag colours don't get mixed with the background. If we decide to change it, it is not hard to perform such a task with a bot. -- Tone 16:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
For consistency amongst the articles, and because it appeases users who like the background colour i'm using the above compromise proposed by Yboy83 when standardising the Category: Nations at the 2008 Summer Olympics articles. It seems to have been the most sensible option to prevent conflict hence it has been adopted at quite a number of pages already. Basement12 (T. C) 02:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi All, Just my 2c worth, but having seen the results of the compromise solution on the Australia page I have to say that frankly it still looks far better without ANY background colour on the medalists. Sure we can still see the flag but the whole medal 1-2-3 image basically disappears. I know we compromised to keep the "backgrounders" happy, but realistically it's not as clear as no background colour at all. I would still recommend a revert to option #1 at some point. But if we MUST have background, how about the below instead ?
Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 200 m freestyle | ||||||
400 m freestyle | 4.02.24 CR | 2 Q | 4:03.22 |
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WiKinny ( talk) 23:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Event | Athletes | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | ||||
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Time | Position | Time | Position | Time | Position | |||
50 m Freestyle [1] | Garrett Weber-Gale | 21.95 | 9 Q | 22.08 | 13 | Did not advance | ||
Ben Wildman-Tobriner | 21.75 | 3 Q | 21.76 | 7 Q | 21.64 | 5 | ||
100 m Freestyle | ||||||||
Jason Lezak | 48.33 | 11 Q | 47.98 | 6 Q | 47.67 |
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Garrett Weber-Gale | 48.19 | 8 Q | 48.12 | 10 | Did not advance | |||
200 m Freestyle | ||||||||
Michael Phelps | 1:46.48 | 4 Q | 1:46.28 | 4 Q | 1:42.96 WR |
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Peter Vanderkaay | 1:47.39 | 12 Q | 1:45.76 | 1 Q | 1:45.14 |
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400 m Freestyle | ||||||||
Larsen Jensen | 3:43.10 AM | 1 Q | N/A | 3:42.78 AM |
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Peter Vanderkaay | 3:44.22 | 6 Q | N/A | 3:43.11 | 4 | |||
1500 m Freestyle | Larsen Jensen | 14:49.53 | 8 Q | N/A | 14:48.16 | 5 | ||
Peter Vanderkaay | 14:52.11 | 11 | N/A | Did not advance | ||||
100 m Backstroke | ||||||||
Matt Grevers | 53.41 OR | 1 Q | 52.99 | 2 Q | 53.11 |
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Aaron Peirsol | 53.65 | 3 Q | 53.56 | 5 Q | 52.54 WR |
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200 m Backstroke | ||||||||
Ryan Lochte | 1:56.29 | 1 Q | 1:55.40 | 2 Q | 1:53.93 WR |
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Aaron Peirsol | 1:56.35 | 2 Q | 1:55.26 | 1 Q | 1:54.33 |
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100 m Breaststroke | Mark Gangloff | 1:00.71 | 16 Q | 1:00.44 | 7 Q | 1:00.24 | 8 | |
Brendan Hansen | 1:00.36 | 10 Q | 59.94 | 5 Q | 59.57 | 4 | ||
200 m Breaststroke | Eric Shanteau | 2:10.29 | 7 Q | 2:10.10 | 10 | Did not advance | ||
Scott Spann | 2:10.61 | 10 Q | 2:09.08 | 3 Q | 2:09.76 | 6 | ||
100 m Butterfly | Ian Crocker | 51.95 | 13 Q | 51.27 | 3 Q | 51.13 | 4 | |
Michael Phelps | 50.87 | 2 Q | 50.97 | 2 Q | 50.58 OR |
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200 m Butterfly | ||||||||
Michael Phelps | 1:53.70 OR | 1 Q | 1:53.70 =OR | 1 Q | 1:52.03 WR |
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Gil Stovall | 1:55.42 | 8 Q | 1:55.36 | 9 | Did not advance | |||
200 m Individual Medley | ||||||||
Ryan Lochte | 1:58.15 | 1 Q | 1:57.69 | 1 Q | 1:56.53 |
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Michael Phelps | 1:58.65 | 6 Q | 1:57.70 | 2 Q | 1:54.23 WR |
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400 m Individual Medley | ||||||||
Ryan Lochte | 4:10.33 | 4 Q | N/A | 4:08.09 |
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Michael Phelps | 4:07.82 OR | 1 Q | N/A | 4:03.84 WR |
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4x100 m Freestyle | ||||||||
Nathan Adrian Matt Grevers Cullen Jones Jason Lezak Garrett Weber-Gale Ben Wildman-Tobriner Michael Phelps |
3:12.23 WR (Adrian, Jones, Wildman-Tobriner, Grevers) |
1 Q | N/A | 3:08.24 WR (Phelps, Webber-Gale, Jones, Lezak) |
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4x200 m Freestyle | ||||||||
Ricky Berens Klete Keller Ryan Lochte Michael Phelps Peter Vanderkaay Erik Vendt Dave Walters |
7:04.66 OR (Walters, Berens, Keller, Vendt) |
1 Q | N/A | 6:58.56 WR (Phelps, Lochte, Berens, Vanderkaay) |
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4x100 m Medley | ||||||||
Ian Crocker Matt Grevers Mark Gangloff Brendan Hansen Jason Lezak Aaron Peirsol Michael Phelps Garrett Weber-Gale |
3:32.75 (Grevers, Gangloff, Crocker, Weber-Gale) |
1 Q | N/A | 3:29.34 WR (Peirsol, Hansen, Phelps, Lezak) |
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10 km Open Water | Mark Warkentin | N/A | 1:52:13.00 | 8 |
Now cosider that table with 30 similar ones in a row on the same page. I don't think this looks as good or as clear as the current form. Basement12 (T. C) 17:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
bgcolor=gold
only for the last table cell ("Rank"), and we should probably get rid of the icon in that case. That reduces the amount of text obscured by the vibrant colour to just a single character, instead of the results values as well. To go all the way back to your original examples, that would look like:Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 400 m freestyle | 4:02.24 CR | 2 Q | N/A | 4:03.22 | 1 | |
800 m freestyle | 8:18.08 OR | 1 Q | N/A | 8:14.10 WR | 1 |
I'm not particularly attched to the honeydew or wheat colorings and there is nothing wrong as such with the above example, just think they may make things easier to follow. Take for example a sport like judo
Athlete | Event | Round of 64 | Round of 32 | Round of 16 | Quarterfinals | Semifinals | Final | Repechage 1 | Repechage 2 | Repechage 3 | Bronze medal final | |
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Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result | |||
Pedro Dias | 66 kg | Bye | ![]() W 0100/0001 |
![]() W 01012/0010 |
![]() L 0000/0002 |
Did not advance | N/A | ![]() L 0001/1001 |
Did not advance | |||
João Neto | 81 kg | ![]() ishvili ( GEO) W 1010/0000 |
![]() W 1001/0000 |
![]() W 1000/0000 |
![]() L 0000/0001 |
Did not advance | N/A | ![]() L 0000/1000 |
Did not advance | |||
João Pina | 73 kg | N/A | ![]() W 0010/0000 |
![]() L 0001/0111 |
Did not advance | N/A | ![]() L 0010/0011 |
Did not advance |
Actually that doesn't look as bad as i'd imagined so the colours ca probably go, but i'll leave it there as an example for others to view.
So my final (i think) opinion would be;
Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 400 m freestyle | 4:02.24 CR | 2 Q | N/A | 4:03.22 |
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800 m freestyle | 8:18.08 OR | 1 Q | N/A | 8:14.10 WR |
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I'm sure all the background colours can be easily removed with WP:AWB as well so its not as big a job as t may seem. - Basement12 (T. C) 19:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello. Several Olympics-related categories are now nominated for renaming. Please, voice your opinions here. Thanks. - Darwinek ( talk) 11:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I know this is a very busy moment for our project but I just wanted to alert that User:Oliphaunt has rightfully noticed something which was not right, according to WP guidelines, about the Olympic event article titles: the use of an hyphen (-) to separate the event name from the parent sport page title (e.g. Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 100 metre freestyle), goes against WP:DASH that promotes use of either unspaced em-dash ( Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics—Men's 100 metre freestyle or spaced en-dash ( Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metre freestyle).
He began moving 2008 Olympic judo pages, replacing hyphens with em-dashes, and states a bot (or maybe AWB) can make this herculean task very straightforward. I don't know if Oliphaunt wishes to commit himself to move hundreds of articles or if we should take that task in our hands. Are there any opinions or comments about such measures? Parutakupiu ( talk) 17:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I raised the "hyphen versus en-dash" question on Wikipedia:Naming conventions, and their recommendation fits our idea, that is, moving the current articles to substitute hyphens for spaced en-dashes and leaving the old pages as redirects (since it's easier to type an hyphen, while searching the pages). Parutakupiu ( talk) 23:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with this because it is significantly easier to type a hyphen. There is a nonshifted key on the keyboard for the hyphen, yet there is no key at all for a dash. Even if there are redirects, this is not convenient. I realize that this is at WP:MOS, but I don't think it should ban regular hyphens in the first place. If you do inconveniently change the hyphens to a dash, there should be spaces on both sides of it. i.e. Olympics – Men's, not Olympics–Men's. I hope I uderstood this right. Reywas92 Talk 23:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
So, the games are over and we agreed to move the articles to have a spaced en dash instead of a hyphen. (Sorry Reywas92, MOS is the rule here, address complaints to them). Is anyone in possesion of a bot who would perform the massive renaming? -- Tone 00:33, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I've just started using the Wikipedia Olympics 08 articles as I watch the games - and the work you folks have been doing is fantastic. I had no idea so much thought and effort had been put in. The organization makes everything really easy to drill down to the information I'm looking for. Thank you all so much! -- SiobhanHansa 01:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Given the fact that Phelps looks like he may set some records, anyone interested in creating a list page that would list the most olympic medals won by an individual. We could create various lists for both men and women, summer and winter olympics, and most medals won historically. We could work on it on this sandbox ( User:Remember/SandboxList) until it is ready to be its own page. What do people think? Remember ( talk) 02:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I asked a question revealing my ignorance of Chinese at Talk:Beijing_National_Stadium#Simplified_.2F_Traditional_Chinese. Please answer there if you have knowledge of the preferred way to designate the venues in Chinese. TIA, PhilipR ( talk) 05:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if it's a good idea to further split the Basketball at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men into Basketball at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's preliminary round group A, Basketball at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's preliminary round group B and Basketball at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's knockout stage (same for the women's tourney)? Considering the Olympics is the basketball equivalent of the World Cup and the world cup articles are split ad infinitum. The thing is not all Olympic events are split this way. – Howard the Duck 09:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I disagree. The article isn't that long, and there's already way too many articles for this Olympics. As with PhilipR, I think the World Cup does not need so many articles either. Reywas92 Talk 23:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I've been pondering this for a while, not really knowing if I should take it to WP:RM, WP:NC, or some sport WikiProject. My choice ultimately fell on this one, and I hope you'll bear with me as this, while not technically an Olympic issue, is something that will probably get little interest from those Wikipedians who are not Olympic-geeks (or actual shooting-geeks, but we're a tiny bunch).
The thing is, we presently have articles named 300 m Rifle, 300 m Standard Rifle, 50 m Rifle, 10 m Air Rifle, 50 m Pistol, 25 m Pistol, 25 m Rapid Fire Pistol, 25 m Center-Fire Pistol, 25 m Standard Pistol, 10 m Air Pistol, Olympic Trap, Double Trap, Olympic Skeet, 50 m Running Target, and 10 m Running Target. This choice of abbreviated and capitalized titles was my own at one point in the past. This is how the ISSF generally writes them in the official rules and reports. It also reflects the fact that the event names are really proper nouns with arbitrary names chosen by the ISSF (as opposed to, say, "high jump" that simply is a high jump); especially the terms "Olympic trap" and "double trap" might cause some confusion if not capitalized.
On the other hand, I have noticed that others contributing in the field, such as on Olympic subpages, have often opted to write "25 metre rapid fire pistol" etc. Despite the drawbacks listed above, there are several obvious advantages, such as being more conforming to Wikipedia naming conventions, not standing out unnecessarily in prose, and not risking that Americans would wonder what the m stands for. Most recently this issue came up at Talk:10 m Air Pistol/GA1. I'm finding myself more and more in agreement with the view that we should actually move these articles to 300 metre rifle etc. (Perhaps we should also split up 300 m rifle, 50 m rifle and the RT events into their sub-events.) Thoughts? -- Jao ( talk) 18:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
On a related note, I had asked this before, but shall repeat again: why do we capitalize "Men's" and "Women's" in article names after the hyphen? If we are going to change article names for the hyphen to a spaced en-dash, for example, that might be a good time to fix this too. We'd end up with Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics – men's 100 metres, for example. — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 22:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
You may remember me as having begun the confusion over "_____ at the Olympics" articles that was eventually resolved. A question on the templates that are used on those articles (for example, {{ Infobox Olympics Brazil}}) — when Beijing is concluded, could these templates be modified so that they display the nation's total medal count through all Olympics since 1896? I'm not asking for a separate list of medals for each year: I'm asking about having a single line saying that Brazil has earned 17 golds, 21 silvers, and 38 bronzes, with a total of 76 medals. Nyttend ( talk) 02:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Pardon my confusion, but I don't see how there could be confusion: why couldn't the medal total in the box simply be for all the years that are linked to by the box? Surely there has to be some reason that it was determined that the box would link to certain years (for the German example, 1896-1912, 1928-1936, 1952-1976, 1984-2008 Summer and 1928-1936, 1952-2006 Winter), so to me it would make sense to have a medal total in the box representing all years linked in the section called "Olympic history". Nyttend ( talk) 20:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
{{
Infobox Olympics Germany}}
, the editing of a pro-German editor resulted in the current consensus that includes the sequence of EUA and FRG teams as well as the GER ones. This is different from the total counts where GER, FRG, and EUA are distinct. I guess my main concern is the over-emphasis of the all-time medal totals, and the inevitable edit-warring we'll see from nationalistic editors who may not necessarily abide by any "conventions" we try to establish. —
Andrwsc (
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20:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)I recently nominated the 2008 highlights article for deletion and have seen some interesting discussion as a result. The AFD was closed as a result of being linked to the main page.
I think that perhaps this project/its members should discuss the "highlights" format. I am aware of 2 such pages, there may be more, which would be affected. I am currently opposed to the use of "highlights" articles. Additionally I believe it may be appropriate to develop guidelines or policy for the development of articles related to current events. While such articles may be sorted out later on, their impact would seem to be to greatest during the course of a current event. People will read those articles as something is happening, making our preparation for such situation rather important. I'm sure that the articles related to the 2008 Olympic games are being read, and like other formats a rapidly updated encyclopedia like WP holds some responsibility in its immediate effects on the sharing of information. The "highlights" page as an example has the problems that any article may have, but they would seem to be magnified by the timeliness of being read. If there is a problem in the "highlights" article with lets say NPOV, then that problem can be fixed over time, but all the people reading it in the mean time will be affected. If for some reason we overemphasize the performance of table tennis players from Latvia (hypothetical), and then thousands of readers are seeing an over-representation of table tennis in the article, and then leave Wikipedia thinking that Latvian table tennis is the something it's not, then we've created an undue influence on the WP audience. The table tennis presence may be toned down later, but the effect generated will have already been put in place.
I believe that this discussion may help in deciding whether or not to write highlights articles in the future, and may have implications for future current events. Please consider that editors may run into similar issues with highlights of other Olympic style events, other sporting events like the World Cup, and perhaps even other non-athletic events. Becky Sayles ( talk) 07:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
{{
main}}
to the per-sport details articles. That is clearly superior to our approach on the 2008 Games (and most other, regretfully) articles, where we just have a bullet list of links to the per-sport articles, and an often haphazard "Highlights" section. Perhaps that should be a main task of this WikiProject in a couple of weeks, going back to clean those up. I seem to recall a previous discussion about this idea (in the archives somewhere). —
Andrwsc (
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16:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there a preference? Becky Sayles ( talk) 07:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of China at the 1952 Summer Olympics. — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 20:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Canada at the 2008 Summer Olympics (and for that matter, Canada at the 2004 Summer Olympics) has a section on 'top 8' finishers. This is the only nation's article to have that. I believe it's patently non-notable to make a conspicuous section for any finishers below 3rd. I've taken the section out of the 2008 article twice, only to be reverted twice. If I'm in the wrong, I'll stop, but I really don't think I am. Nosleep ( talk) 23:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
It's getting a little nasty. Can we form a solid consensus on this, one way or the other? Nosleep ( talk) 08:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Have we come to a consensus one way or another? The section is still in the article but the discussion seems to have died without a decision being made. I think it should go for the record Basement12 (T. C) 15:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the sections from the articles listed above. I'll try and keep an eye on them but i'm sure some will reappear. Basement12 (T. C) 16:49, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
The Great Britain at the 2008 Summer Olympics page (and possibly others) has an aquatics section containing results for diving, swimming and sychronyzed swimming. Most team pages e.g. US have it broken down into seperate swimming and diving sections and placed in the corresponding alphabetical positions. They are listed as seperate sports on Template:EventsAt2008SummerOlympics. Should the GB page be altered? Basement12 ( talk) 02:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
The Beijing website breaks the results down into the 38 Olympic disciplines. Our pages generally use the 28 Olympic sports, separating only the sport of Aquatics into its component disciplines. I don't think there's really any problem with continuing to use our current system since I think that's the way that makes it easiest for the casual reader to find what he's looking for (he's going to look for swimming under Swimming and artistic gymnastics under Gymnastics, and putting either of those sections in the A portion of the page for Aquatics or Artistic Gymnastics makes it tougher). I'm more concerned with internal consistency--that is, on each NOC at the XXXX Olympics page, swimming should be treated the same. This is true regardless of whether we decide to continue with the system we have been using or if we switch to either the 28-sport list or the 38-discipline list. -- Jonel ( Speak to me) 00:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Returning to this issue, because I believe it's one that could and should be resolved now so everyone knows what the appropriate action to take on nation pages. So, do you want to go for seperate aquatics sections, or all aquatics sports under one combined section?
I just created the All-time Paralympic Games medal table. Its pretty obvious that I got my inspiration from the All-time Olympic Games medal table and seeing that the Paralympics were missing a similar article I took action; and it took forever to do it by myself. In the end all I could finish was a list showing the summer paralympics. Now I am knackered and wouldn't mind some help with the winter paralympics being added and a grand total for both events. If someone would be willing to check my counts that would be great also. I'm going to take a bit of a break from this due to real life, but any assistance would be greatly appreciated :-) -- Phoenix ( talk) 09:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I would like to ask about a naming issue related to the Olympic Games. IOC uses "Virgin Islands" for the United States Virgin Islands and WP follows this naming, e.g. Category:Olympic competitors for the Virgin Islands lists sportsmen from the U.S. Virgin Islands. Should we rename all these categories to the United States Virgin Islands form to differentiate from the British Virgin Islands? - Darwinek ( talk) 12:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
A new article has been created List of multiple Olympic medalists that needs a lot of help. Anyone interested in helping out would be greatly appreciated. Hopefully, we can get this up to DYK level in the next several days. Remember ( talk) 12:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
See my comment here: Talk:Gymnastics_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics_-_Women's_artistic_individual_all-around#Qualified_competitors. Appears that the present article is a mismash of qualifying scores and, for the top four spots, final scores. They need to be differentiated, because they are not the same list of scores! - PhilipR ( talk) 06:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
No, I don't mean the cheating and the health issues or whatever. I mean once an athlete's results have been annulled after doping, all the athletes below him/her (not just the medalists!) has to be MOVED UP ONE SPOT as a result. Check this [2] and this [3] (this has not been updated when I write this, but should be soon) out after the DQ of Kim Jong Su. And this even includes this poor little girl who got DQed after originally finishing 59th. Now everybody who finished behind her has been moved up one spot [4]. A real headache for us editors. Chanheigeorge ( talk) 08:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not so familiar with this Wikiproject and its conventions, but I would like to combine the men's and women's result tables at Philippines at the 2008 Summer Olympics. Does this go against any convention that I'm not aware of? Seems wasteful to have separate tables with only one athlete each for long jump, diving, and taekwondo. TheCoffee ( talk) 16:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Can someone help me with User:Imbris? He/she keeps making changes to articles and templates such as List of participating nations at the Summer Olympic Games, List of participating nations at the Winter Olympic Games, Template:Infobox Olympics Yugoslavia, etc. His/her objection is that the nation designated "Yugoslavia" (YUG) at the Olympics until the 1992 Winter Games is quite different from the "Yugoslavia" (YUG) from 1996–2002, and that the latter is pretty much the same thing as "Serbia and Montenegro" (SCG) that competed 2004–2006. This POV is actually quite accurate, but the manner in which this POV is expressed on those Olympic articles is incorrect, in my view. Imbris insists on "erasing" the instances of Yugoslavia/YUG for 1996–2002 from the infobox and from the tables on the lists of nations. My solution was to use footnotes, annotations, etc. to clearly make the distinction between the multiple Yugoslavias, and make the connection from the FR Yugoslavia teams to the Serbia and Montenegro teams. Imbris seems totally unwilling to accept this solution, and I don't know why. Any other suggestions from the Olympics editors here would be welcome. — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 21:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
{{
Country IOC alias YUG}}
and wondered if you couldn't do here the same you did on {{
Country flag IOC alias YUG}}
, but in this case, code for a name change acording to the games
parameter value. This way, the same YUG code would appear in the infobox during 1920–2002, but the name at the top would display "Yugoslavia" (1920–1992W) and "FR Yugoslavia" or "Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" (1996–2002). What's your input? Would this solve anything?
Parutakupiu (
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16:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)Yes Andrwsc is very patient but his method of improving Wikipedia is doing reverts and discussing. But Andrwsc has strangely enough omitted the fact that I agree with his position on using footnotes, annotations, explanations. I also agree that the fact that Serbia and Montenegro which during the 1990s formed a joint state (which were not recognized by the United Nations up to October/December 2000) sent a team "Yugoslavia" with the code YUG should be mentioned, and if you want emphasized but this info cannot be in the same infobox as the one representing Yugoslavia (1920S-1992W). Any other solution would be misleading, and if Parutakupiu wants to mislead users of this Wikipedia I would like to remind him that Andrwsc wants clarity for the users (even ones who know that a team called "Yugoslavia" participated in the (1996S-2002W)). I agree with Andrwsc once more on that issue that Wikipedia should be as "clear" as possible, but not in the manner of:
I have on numerous accounts explained to Andrwsc that my position is to stop further arguing that Yugoslavia's heritage belongs to any ex-YUG nation - except all of the nations (NOC's). Also I think that we should use a method of clean cuts like in the case of Republic of China/Chinese Taipei.
Using the logic of Parutakupiu why should we "take care" users who do not read the entire article but simply browse for a few seconds. In the infobox for Serbia and Montenegro there is a footnote that explains under which team name and code Serbia and Montenegro participated in 1996 S, 2000 S, and 1998 W and 2002 W. The matter should have been solved by that template (which for the matter of fact was created by Andrwsc).
Andrwsc intentions may be good but we cannot make those references, footnotes, annotations in the cells of the years of appearances nor in the template infobox Yugoslavia. We can list those references, footnotes and annotations by the name of the team (in the row-cell dedicated to team name and flag). And in the infobox we can list related appearances, but not what Andrwsc suggested "breaking" the list of years of participations in infobox olympic Yugoslavia like it was a simple break in attendance or change of the countries names.
Yugoslavia (1996S-2002W) changed its name in 2003 to Serbia and Montenegro (SCG). This is important.
Yugoslavia (1920S-1992W) has not changed its name in 1992 to FR Yugoslavia.
Imbris ( talk) 18:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
{{
Infobox Olympics Yugoslavia}}
so that whenever the games
parameter contained any of the Summer Olympics editions during 1920–1988 (and Winter editions during 1924–1992), it only showed the participations for FPR/SFR Yugoslavia, hence only showing participations for FR Yugoslavia when any other Olympics editions were added to that parameter. So, basically, without having to create another infobox for FR Yugoslavia alone, when its IOC code was the same as for FPR/SFR Yugoslavia, I took advantage of the existing infobox (that "answered" to the code YUG) and gave it "two faces". For better navigation between Yugoslavia pages pre- and post-1992 Winter Games, I added links to the Olympic pages of the states that preceded or succeded, in the "Other related appearances" section. I've also made according changes in {{
Infobox Olympics Serbia and Montenegro}}
, to only include years post-2003, when the country actually had this name and the IOC code SCG.{{
Infobox Olympics Serbia and Montenegro}}
but haven't you forgot to add the two SCG instances to the "FR Yugoslavia" face of {{
Infobox Olympics Yugoslavia}}
? Or was it intentional because there's already a link to
Serbia and Montenegro at the Olympics in the "other appearances" section?There is currently a List of multiple Olympic gold medalists. It would be good to have List of multiple Paralympic gold medalists. I've been creating articles on Paralympic athletes, and I've started a draft version of an article that would list all Paralympians who have won three gold medals or more. You can find it here. If anyone wants to help me with that, you'd be very welcome. Even if it's just adding one athlete that you know of to the list. The problem is, I'm not entirely sure where to find information. (By the way, kudos for All-time Paralympic Games medal table!) Aridd ( talk) 22:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear fellow contributors
MOSNUM no longer encourages date-autoformatting, having evolved over the past year or so from the mandatory to the optional, after much discussion there and elsewhere of the disadvantages of the system. MOSLINK and CONTEXT are consistent with this.
There are at least six disadvantages of using date-autoformatting, which I've capped here:
Removal has generally been met with positive responses by editors, and the consensus for change is overwhelming. I seek in-principle consensus here for the removal of date autoformatting from the main text of articles related to this WikiProject, using a script; such a move would also be sensitive to local objections on any article talk page. The original input formatting would be seen by all WPians, not just the huge number of visitors; it would be plain, unobtrusive text, which would give greater prominence to the high-value links.
You may wish to peruse the following capped text to compare two examples, with and without date autoformatting. The DA is set at international style—the one pertaining in this particular article—to show all WPians how the blue dates are displayed to visitors. MOSNUM prescribes rules for the raw formatting, irrespective of whether or not dates are autoformatted, analogous to our highly successful guidelines for the use of varieties of English. The choice of style is audited during the running of the script to ensure that it is appropriate to the article (i.e., consistent, and country-related where appropriate).
EXAMPLE 1
Original
DA-free
EXAMPLE 2 Original
DA-free
I look forward to your feedback. Tony (talk) 07:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
accessdate
parameter in templates like {{
cite web}}
? I use those a LOT and always include the access date. —
Andrwsc (
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14:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)Responses to Huaiwei:
Responses to Andrwsc:
Oh my God, this is here too? Dude, get over it, and deal with this in the appropriate venue!
Prince of Canada
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15:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
The acronyms are rather confusing. While WR and Q are probably self explanatory, what about AS, ER, or the like? It seems like either a key template needs to be made, or a page that can be linked to, or simply spell them out. Thoughts? Others have already expressed confusion. -- Falcorian (talk) 08:08, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
A potential solution is a universal template with meanings of acronyms. It could be in a way like that used for politcal parties in Template:United States political party shading key. Reywas92 Talk 23:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I notice that in the highlights page, Day 1 is 9th August, while for the daily medals table on the Great Britain page, Day 1 is 8th August. Obviously, these should agree with each other. Which standard should we use? Bluap ( talk) 20:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is already probably the best Olympic site on the web to prepare for TV viewing. Adding the projected favorites would annihilate the competition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.159.192.204 ( talk) 15:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Alex Bakharev who operates AlexNewArtBot, a great bot searching for new articles according to given criteria, created new Olympic feed on my request. When it will begin to operate I will notify the WikiProject. - Darwinek ( talk) 17:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Greetings. I think we are " burying the lede" in the main articles for the Olympics. The Olympics are all about the sports, medals, and the athletes who earn them. Yet, information about the bid, mascot, ceremonies, media overage, and even upgrades to the host city's infrastructure all appear in these articles before the sports and medals sections. The " 1996 Summer Olympics" article even puts the critisism and bombing sections in front of the sports.
From a reader's perspective, I'd like to see the sports and medal sections at the top of every main Olympic article immediately after the intro and TOC. Other sections could also be rearranged based on relevancy. I think putting the important sections first trumps the apparent present philosophy of presenting a rough chronological view of the evolution of the event. Opinions? -- Tcncv ( talk) 21:34, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I created a sidebar template Template:Nations at the 2008 Summer Olympics to complement Template:NOCin2008SummerOlympics for some of the larger countries. I think it would be useful for quick navigation on larger nation pages. It has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 August 18.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 05:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Here's something to consider. Flags at the Olympics are always in a 2:3 ratio, regardless of their actual proportions. That means that Switzerland competes under a rectangular flag () instead of a square one (
), the UK's flag is squished to look like this
instead of this
and Canada's flag is squished to look like this:
[6]. You can see this really clearly during the medal ceremonies:
[7]
[8]
[9]
[10].
Does anyone see any value in changing the flags on the various infoboxes and templates to reflect this? It would mean making new images in many cases, but once they were done, it would just be a matter of changing the various Country flag IOC alias templates. Orange Tuesday ( talk) 13:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
At what point in the past week were all of the medal pages changed from, for example, 2008 Summer Olympics medal count to 2008 Summer Olympics medal table? Was there consensus somewhere in doing so, because I was mildly surprised to see that this happened. Obviously, I think either one makes sense, so before I form an opinion here, I just want to know when/where/why it happened in the first place! Jared (t) 13:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
At the Summer Olympic Games and Winter Olympic Games pages, users have been adding a list of games "winners" (countries with the most medals) because it's "interesting". I have been removing the lists because they are OR and because the IOC does not recognize "winners". Out of curiosity, does anyone here think that this information should be included? -- Scorpion 0422 19:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
There is now a discussion about this here, so if anyone wants to chip in their two cents, they are welcome to. -- Scorpion 0422 03:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
This has been a slow paced edit war that I am getting sick of. The page contains an image of Michael Phelps, Lazlo Cseh and Ryan Lochte with their medals. Now according to various users on the talk page:
The reason the image is there is because we don't have a free one of the medals, and it's better than nothing. I think of it as a temporary image that will replaced as soon as one of the medals comes along (and hopefully one will). So, I was wondering what others think? Is it worth keeping the image, or should we just replace it with nothing or one of the opening ceremonies? -- Scorpion 0422 22:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if it was due to the
above actions but as you can see the
Virgin Islands ({{flagIOC|ISV|2004 Summer}}) and
Virgin Islands links no longer work as they attempt to direct to the United States Virgin Islands at 200X games. I assume its the same for other games as well. I don't know how to fix this (short of setting up redirects, which should probably be done anyway) so could someone look into it?
Basement12 (
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23:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I've set up redirects from United States Virgin Islands at the XXXX Games pages anyway as people may go there looking for results. Basement12 ( talk) 10:55, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
On most articles on individual events, the first section is the medalists. The first section header should always be a second-level heading i.e. with two equals == on each side. However many of these articles' first header is third-level ===. I have fixed some: this wrong version to this correct version. As I don't have the time to fix every article with this minor mistake, I ask that you please fix this with a simple edit when you come across it. Thanks, Reywas92 Talk 00:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Please explain this. It is fib that it's been standard since day 1, as you made it that way in the first place on day 8 [11]. It makes absolutely no sense for a 1st level header (title of article) to be followed by a 3rd level header. Every other article begins with a 2nd level header, and I see no reason to go 1, 3, 2, 3 in these articles. The medalist list is a unique section which should be top-level. Per WP:HEAD,
You claim that it being bolder blends it in with the first paragraph, yet there is a TOC in the way and there is no reason for the first unique section to blend in. Reywas92 Talk 01:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I found an apparent bug with using H3 without an H2. I have the "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page" gadget enables in my preferences. It works fine for all pages except those that have the orphaned h3. For those pages, the lead section "(edit)" will actually open some other section (usually the first h2 section). At least half of the event articles for Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics articles exhibit this problem. -- Tcncv ( talk) 07:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Tha problem has now been fixed, at least on the pages I've been monitoring. Thanks to Basement12 ( talk · contribs). -- Tcncv ( talk) 04:37, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
They should ALL now be fixed. Basement12 (T. C) 15:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
On ,the issue of athletes' names, I have seen that the vast majority of Slavic names and others are spelled correctly with all the symbols and special characters that they contain but Spanish, French and (in a lesser frequency) Romanian names are poorly spelled. For instance, Spanish and French names often carry accents like in González, Pérez, Gaël, etc. When writing a name please, respect the original spelling most of the time. I know that this could be a minor, unimportant issue but if you happen to know which is the correct spelling I think there's no problem to type it right. Mannschaftskapitän ( talk) 01:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The article about Dwain Chambers is currently at FAC. Please could anyone help by leaving comments and suggestions? This would be the first sprinter FA if it passes and might serve well as a future template. Thanks. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 04:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello all. Many event articles have a Records section showing the world and Olympic records that existed prior to the competition. Whenever a new record is set, it is rightfully noted in the event details later in nthe article. However, many well meaning editors attempt to update the "prior records" table, necessitating repeated rollbacks. I don't blame these editors, because the section header "Records" is a natural place to record the updated record.
I propose following adding a new-records-set table to the Records section following the prior-records table. I know it duplicates information, but I think it is useful to have this summary and natural for it to immediately follow the prior records. I've prepared some prototypes that I've added to the Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 50 metre freestyle and Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 100 metre freestyle articles. I've also repeated them below. One design feature is the use of dedicated columns for OR and WR. The could be expanded to include columns for each of the continental records if desired. I also would suggest using a similar format for event category record sections such as in Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics#Records broken. I've also included a sample below.
'Single record sample - Men's 50 m freestyle
Date | Event | Name | Nationality | Time | OR | WR | Notes |
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14 August | Heat 11 | César Cielo | ![]() |
21.47 | OR | ||
14 August | Heat 12 | Amaury Leveaux | ![]() |
21.46 | OR | ||
15 August | Semifinal 2 | César Cielo | ![]() |
21.34 | OR | ||
16 August | Final | César Cielo | ![]() |
21.30 | OR |
Single record sample - Men's 100 m freestyle. Note that some records were set in a related event.
Date | Event | Name | Nationality | Time | OR | WR | Notes |
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12 August | 4×100 m relay heat 1 lead off | Amaury Leveaux | ![]() |
47.76 | OR | ||
12 August | 4×100 m relay final lead off | Eamon Sullivan | ![]() |
47.24 | OR | WR | |
13 August | Semifinal 1 | Alain Bernard | ![]() |
47.20 | OR | WR | |
13 August | Semifinal 2 | Eamon Sullivan | ![]() |
47.05 | OR | WR |
Proposed event category sample (incomplete)
Please comment. If the concept meets with general approval, I (and anyone else who would like to contribute) can add them to other articles. For events where no records were broken, I'd also suggest adding a brief note to that effect. -- Tcncv ( talk) 05:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
We seem to have articles on people who have won medals, lists of people who have won multiple medals, information on who is presenting medals but no articles on Olympic medals themselves or how they are awarded and how this has changed. Strange. I only point this out as a question relating to tied medal positions is currently on the ref desk. Sure we have articles on Gold, Silver and Bronze medals in a general sense which touch briefly on the Olympics but no in depth history. 84.68.60.156 ( talk) 14:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
There's incorrect bolding in the opening sentence of numerous articles (namely, "[Country] at [xxxx] Olympics"). See the second bullet here. Can someone with a script (or some free time) help me fix this?- Wafulz ( talk) 15:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not going to argue, but my opinion is that bolding the title in the first sentence is important and looks better than without bold. I think what MOS is refering to is not to use bold when the title is awkward, which I do not feel this is. I would advocate keeping both the aesthetic bolding, even if broken up, as well as the useful wikilink. Reywas92 Talk 21:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The correct British-English spelling of this word is medallist (two L's). Refs: [12] [13] [14]. I suggest therefore that Category:Olympic medalists for Great Britain and related categories/articles are changed to reflect this as per WP:ENGVAR-Strong national ties to a topic. I don't want to start an edit war making the changes without agreement from contributors here. Yboy83 ( talk) 20:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I was asked to comment here by User:Basement12 as I'd comment on this issue at Talk:Great Britain at the 2008 Summer Olympics#Medalist vs Medallist. The discussion on that page seems ungoing so rather than repeat comments here I suggest that anyone interested in this issue also looks at the comments there. Dpmuk ( talk) 00:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I just ran into what appears to be a bit of plagiarism. On the part of the Beijing Organizing Committee for the Olympic Games. Check it out: compare [16] to [17].
The first is Luxembourg's NOC summary page from the official Beijing Games website. In the "highlights", you'll find this paragraph.
It was discovered that Michel Theato, competing for France at the 1900 Olympic Games, was actually Luxembourgish. However, the gold medal Theato won in the marathon at the Paris Games is still credited to France by the IOC.
The second is a version of our Luxembourg at the Olympics page. Note the date on our version; it's from nearly two years ago. At the end of the lede, you'll see the following.
Recently, it was also discovered that Michel Théato, competing for France at the 1900 Summer Olympics, was actually Luxembourgish. However, the gold medal Théato won in the marathon at the Paris Games is still credited to France by the IOC.
Quite similar, no? Neither Wikipedia nor the IP editor who added that paragraph are credited, of course. Not sure what to make of this. No idea how many more instances of this there are in the Beijing pages. It also makes me leery of using the Beijing results page as a source for Luxembourg, Haiti, Peru, and Iran competing for the first time in at the 1900 Summer Olympics (see the participating nations section of that article for more info on why). -- Jonel ( Speak to me) 04:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Could project members please review the newest discussion on talk:2012 Summer Olympics? Thanks. 16:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
My understanding of categorisation, form reading WP:CAT and WP:SUBCAT is that the articles should not be in both a parent category and a child category. Now, one editor has been going around adding Olympians to thier nationality category as well (So, for example, articles in Category:Olympic gymnasts of Russia have been also added to Category:Russian gymnasts (where it is the parent cat of the former), claiming it is consensus; Now I've not been involved with the Sport WikiProjects long enough, but this seems to go against the wiki-wide conventions. So, is this the case? should Olympians be in both their national (sport) category and their national olympions for (sport) category, or not? Is the consensus documented, if it exists? -- ratarsed ( talk) 19:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Please see:
Thanks. -- Mais oui! ( talk) 13:48, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Any further comments from project members should probably be made at the Great Britain talk page. At the moment it seems quite a lot of support for a move appears to be coming from users who may be unfamiliar with how the IOC and olympic associations work . Some input from users more knowledgable in the area may be needed. Basement12 (T. C) 23:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that page could be deleted, or at least merged with another page? -- Scorpion 0422 15:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
The correct titling for the Olympic Games is Olympic Summer Games not Summer Olympic Games. The games are "Olympic" not "Summer". The ancient Greeks attended Olympic Games not Summer Games - even though they were most likely held in Summer. The same applies to Olympic Winter Games - they are not Winter Olympic Games. The games again are "Olympic" not "Winter". I think with respect this needs a Wikipedia wide review. Peter Konnecke ( talk) 02:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Actually yes I agree Basement12 it's referred to in the Olympic Charter Peter Konnecke ( talk) 02:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Should there be a separate Beach volleyball at the Summer Olympics? I just discovered this article, created on the first day of this year's Games. Nyttend ( talk) 04:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I know this might be pretty lame and unimportant but here are the facts. The official BOCOG Beijing 2008 Olympics webpage uses the odd abbrev DQ for athletes wo have been disqualified while the official BOB TV broadcasting service uses the more commonly adressed DSQ. DSQ seems more logical to me as we have DNF(did not finish), DNS(did not start), etc; when specifying the reasons for why an athlete officially doesn't complete a sporting event. To which one should we stick?
Hi, i'm having a few issuses at the above article where a few users seem to think that the style of displaying results should be different to that used in all other Nations at the 2008 Summer Olympics articles. Users keep undoing edits i've made, for example putting reults in bold or various colours,changing the medals table and changing the format of timed results. also unreferenced PB or SBs are being added next to results which I and others at least at the GB page didn't believe belonged in the article. Some input from others would be appreciated before it becomes an edit war. Basement12 (T. C) 18:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed an inconsistency in how athletes' results are ranked in heats and semi-finals on Nations at the 2008 Summer Olympics articles. Most pages with tables rank the athlete by his/her overall placement in that round. So if an athlete won her heat but came in tenth overall, that athlete would be listed as tenth rather than first. That's the way I've been inputting results. But some pages, like Great Britain at the 2008 Summer Olympics list by rank in the heat rather than overall heat. I want to get a clarification/consensus, so hopefully the various Nation pages can be made uniform without edit wars. I favor providing an athletes overall rank among all heats rather than just by his/her own heat. -- JamesAM ( talk) 21:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
In gymnastics (and some others), there are two parts in a person's score: difficulty and execution. This is what NBC showed us when displaying the scores, but our gymnastics articles (such as Gymnastics at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's rings) use the terms A Score and B Score without keys to what they represent. How should this be done? Reywas92 Talk 01:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
We have a page for 2008 flagbearers that at the moment only lists bearers for the opening ceremony. I know it hasn't happened yet but i'm assuming many countries will use a different bearer for the closing ceremony (and will start announcing who soon) and so this page might need a bit of work to reflect this? Basement12 (T. C) 13:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Most event articles begin with the Medalists section, followed by Records and Schedule (such as Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 100 metre breaststroke). But at least one ( Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Women's 100 metre backstroke) has Schedule first. Do we have any standards for this? Reywas92 Talk 17:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
What does anyone think about nominating the above article for deletion? Is there any point to it given the records section on the GB page? The article is a mess (not reason enough for deletion I know), doesn't actually list PBs as the title suggests and is a completely unreferenced duplicate of said records section. Thoughts? Basement12 (T. C) 19:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Nominated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British Personal Bests at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Basement12 (T. C) 21:59, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that someone listed the post-2000 medalists in Sweden at the Olympics (but for some reason only in the summer games), and now it has been extended back to 1992. Is this a good idea? Should we aim at listing all 592 medalists? The problem with this table is that it would be absurd to exclude it in, say, Iceland at the Olympics or Peru at the Olympics, with four medals each, but wouldn't it be equally absurd to include it as a 2507-row table in United States at the Olympics? -- Jao ( talk) 16:24, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't they be listed at Sweden at the 2008 Summer Olympics, etc. and category:Olympic medalists for Sweden? I really don't think we need another article for every country that has lots of medals. Reywas92 Talk 21:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I've started List of Swedish Olympic medalists (since it was the first country to be mentioned) as a test for this kind article. So far only adding summer games medalists, it might make sense to move the article to List of Swedish Summer Olympic Medalists and have a seperate List of Swedish Winter Olympic Medalists. Basement12 (T. C) 13:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I would like to thank everybody for a Herculean effort with the 2008 articles over the last couple of weeks. Bluap ( talk) 16:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Wish id come across this weeks ago. Would have saved a lot of debate with various users! Basement12 (T. C) 17:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
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Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | → | Archive 15 |
Although we've made great progress on the sport and event pages, we've always struggled with an effective formatting style for the per-nation pages. About the only thing that is consistent is infobox usage. Based on some old discussion, we're using the pictogram icons on the 2008 pages, and I've started to use a sortable table format for list of medalists, such as China at the 2004 Summer Olympics. (It's a big table, but still better than a simple wikilist, I think.) As for the results sections, we started to use tables in the 2006 and other pages, but for some reason, any of the previous styles never looked good to my eyes. Now, Great Britain at the 2008 Summer Olympics is starting to look really good, in my opinion, with effective sport-specific tables. Perhaps we can agree to use that format for all 2008 pages? — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 17:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Athlete | Event | Round of 64 | Round of 32 |
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Opposition Score |
Opposition Score | ||
Li Guojie | Individual épée | ![]() 20-1 |
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Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 200 m Freestyle | 2:00.00 | 14 Q | 1:59.00 | 9 | Did not advance | |
400 m Freestyle | 4:00.00 | 5 Q | 3:45.00 |
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800 m Freestyle | 8:00.00 | 9 | Did not advance |
Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 200 m Freestyle | 2:00.00 | 14 Q | 1:59.00 | 9 | Did not advance | |
400 m Freestyle | 4:00.00 | 5 Q | 3:45.00 |
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800 m Freestyle | 8:00.00 | 9 | Did not advance |
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shade). Do you think we really need colors for other situations?Should there be a watchlist created for all the 2008 Olympic related articles? The only one I know of is from the Tropical Cyclone project. Are there any more? I'm sure it would be quite usefull for many reasons including vandal fighting. - CWY2190( talk • contributions) 04:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I've only just noticed this project, although I should have guessed it existed. I've started a number of articles on Olympic and Paralympic athletes, as well as quite a few "Nation at the 2008 Summer Olympics" articles. I've also started all the "Nation at the 2008 Summer Paralympics" currently existing; you can see the list here. If anyone would like to help out in that field, that would be great, as I'm the only one who's been working on it so far, and coverage of the Paralympics in the media (and in Wikipedia) is comparatively sparse. Anyway, great work, everyone! There's a heck of a lot to be done on the Olympics, but I see you've all done a heck of a lot already. Aridd ( talk) 10:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
This article has just been nominated for deletion at AfD. Please add your comments. Thanks. – Pee Jay 19:29, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Most of the footer templates (see Category:Olympic champions templates) use a show/hide navbox. A while ago, before show/hide boxes were quite so ubiquitous, I worked on a couple of other ways to reduce the visual template bloat. One idea was a horizontal scroll bar, per this version of Template:Footer Olympic Champions 4x400 m Men. Although I'm still kind of fond of this approach it seems to be distinctly disfavored. Another approach is what I did with Template:Footer Olympic Champions 4x100 m Men, which displays all years (linked to a winner in that year) and then winners for years passed in as parameters. I think it's quite useful, particularly for relay events. Anyone have any thoughts for or against using this approach for other events? It's not an overly big deal, but having this one template unlike any of the others seems a bit odd. -- Rick Block ( talk) 16:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
If there a list of preferred infoboxes for sportspeople by sport? I've seen Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Infoboxes, but it doesn't list every sport, and going through Category:Sports infobox templates and subcats often isn't clear on which, if any, is preferred. Is there a default Olympian infobox that can be stuck on articles? Kolindigo ( talk) 00:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I note that the 2004 Olympics is still a start class even though this is a high priority. I've been working through some of a prose edits and it appears to me to be farther along than a "Start" rating would indicate. Any thoughts? H1nkles ( talk) 22:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Howdy! Over at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Olympic_and_Chinese_themed_DYKs, I've proposed making a concentrated effort to try and feature at least one Olympic or Chinese themed DYK with each update during the Beijing Olympics. I'd like to invite members of the Wikiproject Olympics to submit any new or recently expanded (5x) Olympic theme article to Template talk:Did you know for potential featuring on the main page. If you have questions, please don't hesitate to ask on WT:DYK or feel free to contact me personally. Thanks! Agne Cheese/ Wine 20:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
The fencing event articles need updated. Right now they are just a sentence. They need the brackets added. I'm working on men's epee and someone else started women's sabre. Those are the first two events. Others need made though. - CWY2190( talk • contributions) 08:42, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
All of the tennis opponents were moved from Women's Singles, Women's Doubles, Men's Singles and Men's Doubles to all tennis participating nations.
They are now seen in every nation's olympic Wikipedia site, at the Tennis section. Tabels are free to fill with results when these come. They are made in a best-looking style I can think of. Easy to use and pretty surveyable.
Example:
R Federer (
SUI)
versus
D Tursunov (
RUS)
Both Federer and Tursunov are now listed at the Tennis section in Switzerland's and Russia's olympic Wikipedia pages.
Feel free to edit the tables and fill in the results whenever you wish. Znamkar ( talk) 21:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Athlete | Event | Round of 64 | Round of 32 | ||
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Opposition | Score | Opposition | Score | ||
Roger Federer | Singles | ![]() |
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Stanislas Wawrinka | Singles | ![]() |
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Roger Federer <br\> Stanislas Wawrinka | Doubles | ![]() A Seppi |
athlete
parameter, that allows us to write whatever we want. So you can place both tennis players' names in it and still get only one flag image and the country's Olympic link at the end — {{flagIOCathlete|[[Simone Bolelli|S Bolelli]] and [[Andreas Seppi|A Seppi]]|ITA|2008 Summer}}
gives Did anyone just watch this, the best opening ceremony EVER, outstanding fireworks and inspirational flame lighting, looking like it's going to be the best games EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Highfields ( talk) ( contribs) 18:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I have another question. What do we use to put in tables for athletes who did not finish the event (e.g. cycling road race).
I am using this solution:
Rider | Professional Team | Event | Time | Rank |
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Jason McCartney |
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Road race | did not finish |
Please tell me your opinion about it. Znamkar ( talk) 09:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I've added all of the cycling results from today's Men's road race into each participating country's cycling section on their Olympic pages.
Example: Italy's Olympic page has this results table.
Men
Athlete | Event | Time | Rank |
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Paolo Bettini | Road race | 6h 24' 24 (+0:35) | 18th |
Marzio Bruseghin | Road race | 6h 34' 26 (+10:37) | 63rd |
Vincenzo Nibali | Road race | did not finish | |
Franco Pellizotti | Road race | 6h 31' 06 (+7:17) | 50th |
Davide Rebellin | Road race | 6h 23' 49 (+0:00) | 2nd
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I hope I've done everything properly and typed all of the names correctly. If you find anything to edit, feel free to do so.
Greetings, Znamkar ( talk) 13:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Athlete | Event | Time | Rank |
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Paolo Bettini | Road race | 6h 24' 24 (+0:35) | 18th |
Marzio Bruseghin | Road race | 6h 34' 26 (+10:37) | 63rd |
Vincenzo Nibali | Road race | did not finish | |
Franco Pellizotti | Road race | 6h 31' 06 (+7:17) | 50th |
Davide Rebellin | Road race | 6h 23' 49 (+0:00) |
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Athlete | Event | Time | Rank |
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Alberto Contador | Road race | did not finish | |
Time trial | |||
Óscar Freire | Road race | did not finish | |
Samuel Sánchez | Road race | 6h 23' 49 |
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Time trial | |||
Carlos Sastre | Road race | 6h 31' 06 (+7:17) | 49th |
Alejandro Valverde | Road race | 6h 24' 19 (+0:30) | 13th |
Some users at 2008 Summer Olympics medal count have been insisting on adding a list of every medalist to the page, but I keep telling them that it is not the right place. The list would be somewhat useful to have, so should we just create a page for it? I'm not sure if it would really be that useful, and there is another discussion here. -- Scorpion 0422 16:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
The article is at List of 2008 Summer Olympics medal winners. I find this to be very convenient and there should be a very simple list like this for every Olympics. It was split up into every sport article ( Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics#Medal summary) and individual event article ( Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 100 metres), but it is very convenient to have a single list. Reywas92 Talk 23:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Apparently this project goes by the IOC's official standings which rate by the gold medal. I think every news agency rated by the overall total. Every source on the '08 page ranks by the overall total standard. Does anyone think that we should change to the more common one as it deals with a less confusing system, not to mention it is the standard that everyone seems to go by? Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 00:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I find it strange that the IOC doesn't even keep count and I was told that we sorted by their way. Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 20:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
According to Portal:Current events/Sports nothing has happened in Beijing since 7 August. Anyone want to rectify that? 86.21.74.40 ( talk) 01:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. I am just wondering if there is an icon or a little graphic that represents "Olympic Record"? I do not like seeing ORs all the time. If there's no icon, do we need to create one? thanks -- Jackl 02:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
{{
OR}}
, but that template name is used to tag
WP:Original research violations. —
Andrwsc (
talk ·
contribs)
21:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
What's the guideline for teams winning medals, and listing them on pages such as United States at the 2008 Summer Olympics? Obviously like if the 20+ person baseball team wins a medal, we don't need to list every member, but how about swimming relay teams, of 4 people, or even the basketball team which is around 10 or 12? I assume beach volleyball duos are to be listed together as individual medalists, just with a line break. Nosleep ( talk) 03:35, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Recently there appears to be a group that has been randomly adding "Australia" entries to future Olympics pages that are either non-sourced or completely bogus. I've been cleaning up the 2028 Olympics page, but they keep coming back. I know there's not much that can be done, but those of you watching the other future bids pages might want to take a look at the pages you're monitoring. It's truly annoying. -- TruckOttr ( talk) 06:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
A user has recently approached me regarding several edits made to various top-level Olympics pages in the past few weeks, changing the wording "the games were held from" to "the games were celebrated from" and feels as though to any average English speaker the former is the best choice, and the edits should be reverted. I told the editor that we've sort of come accustomed to using celebrated, but I figured I'd bring it here to garner some opinion before an edit war ensues. Basically, "held" or "celebrated"? Jared (t) 18:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2008_Summer_Olympics&diff=229927648&oldid=229878841
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2004_Summer_Olympics&diff=142456145&oldid=142234060
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=1996_Summer_Olympics&diff=196588558&oldid=196587313
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=1992_Summer_Olympics&diff=196588459&oldid=191405661
Not sure how many more there are. So basically this word is the opinion of this one guy,
Hektor. I go with 'Held' in case you didn't realise! :-)
Lewispb (
talk)
22:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
If managed properly, this portal can act as the first page for all past & future Olympics. However, it's in a pretty bad form at the moment. Let's all improve it when a lot of editors are finding ways to improve Olympics-related contents. OhanaUnited Talk page 19:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
We have zillions of little articles on each event in the 2008 olympics, which is great. However, I've noticed that many of these articles are focused only on giving the results, and lack even the most basic information or links to explain what the event is — i.e., what does the event involve, what are the rules, and so on.
To pick a random example, consider:
A typical reader who is doesn't know much about swimming sports will have no idea what a "medley relay" is, and the article provides no information on this. At the very least, it should link directly to our general article on Medley swimming (which you can only get to now by clicking through two links, or searching, but it is not obvious). Ideally, it should link to a specific article on the Olympic medley relay events, explaining precisely what these events involve. And, ideally, the article itself should have a one- or two- sentence summary of the event.
As I said, this is true for many of the articles, not just for swimming events, and it is easy to find other examples. e.g. Weightlifting at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Women's 58 kg requires you to go through two links and read through half of the weightlifting page to find out that this involves contestants with a body mass of at most 58 kg, who must either snatch or clean and jerk as much weight as possible in three attempts, taken in turns. Would that information be so hard to put into the article directly?
Remember that a lot of people will be looking at these pages, not just to learn about the results of an event, but because they are interested to know what sporting events are going on in the 2008 olympics and what they involve. We should make it as easy as possible for people to learn about each sport and the specific Olympic rules from visiting the 2008 games pages.
Thanks again for all your efforts.
—Steven G. Johnson ( talk) 05:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I think I've got all the 2008 events to where there's at least a brief description of the competition's rules and format, typically with a link to more information where necessary. Let me know if there are any problems, or if I've missed any! -- Jonel ( Speak to me) 00:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Greetings, WikiProject Olympics! Current two articles have been nominated by Becky Sayles for deletion: 2008 Summer Olympics highlights / Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008 Summer Olympics highlights and 2006 Winter Olympics highlights / Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 Winter Olympics highlights. I believe the 2008 article will be fine, but the 2006 article could use some cleanup and sourcing. Geologik ( talk) 06:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
A user has added these to all the 'Nation at the 2008 Summer Olympics' pages under 'medallists', see China at the 2008 Summer Olympics. I'm relatively sure that this goes against what the regular convention is for these articles, but I wanted to see if I was correct before doing anything. It seems to me to be overkill to have these tables, do others agree? Edged ( talk) 08:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
If the consensus is definitely to remove them I shall take them out at the same time as removing the "current event" templates. Basement12 (T. C) 10:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Apologises for the undoing of your work on the Great Britain page, Basement12. Nice work keeping it tidy recently. Dave ( talk) 14:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Following some back-and-forth editing on the GBR page, i'd like to get a concensus on the bgcolor used for medallists in the results tables. Following previous discussion on this talk page ( Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Cycling results (Men's Road Race)), I was under the impression that we decided that a bgcolor was unnecessary, instead opting for the medal image and making the athlete name in bold. For example, currently we have:
Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 200 m freestyle | ||||||
400 m freestyle | 4.02.24 CR | 2 Q | 4:03.22 |
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800 m freestyle |
Personnaly I prefer the following because:
Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 200 m freestyle | ||||||
400 m freestyle | 4.02.24 CR | 2 Q | 4:03.22 |
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800 m freestyle |
As a compromise, perhaps putting the bgcolor on only the final round of competition?:
Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 200 m freestyle | ||||||
400 m freestyle | 4.02.24 CR | 2 Q | 4:03.22 |
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800 m freestyle |
Are there any good examples on other nations' pages and can we come to some kind of common ground for all nations. Yboy83 ( talk) 10:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Rank | Lane | Name | Nationality | Time | Notes |
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1
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7 | Britta Steffen | ![]() |
53.12 | OR |
2
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8 | Lisbeth Trickett | ![]() |
53.16 | |
3
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4 | Natalie Coughlin | ![]() |
53.39 | AM |
Rank | Lane | Name | Nationality | Time | Notes |
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7 | Britta Steffen | ![]() |
53.12 | OR |
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8 | Lisbeth Trickett | ![]() |
53.16 | |
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4 | Natalie Coughlin | ![]() |
53.39 | AM |
Any new opinions on the last proposal? Regarding the two forms above, the first one is widely used at the moment in the older articles but the recent are starting to pick the second one that is better since the flag colours don't get mixed with the background. If we decide to change it, it is not hard to perform such a task with a bot. -- Tone 16:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
For consistency amongst the articles, and because it appeases users who like the background colour i'm using the above compromise proposed by Yboy83 when standardising the Category: Nations at the 2008 Summer Olympics articles. It seems to have been the most sensible option to prevent conflict hence it has been adopted at quite a number of pages already. Basement12 (T. C) 02:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi All, Just my 2c worth, but having seen the results of the compromise solution on the Australia page I have to say that frankly it still looks far better without ANY background colour on the medalists. Sure we can still see the flag but the whole medal 1-2-3 image basically disappears. I know we compromised to keep the "backgrounders" happy, but realistically it's not as clear as no background colour at all. I would still recommend a revert to option #1 at some point. But if we MUST have background, how about the below instead ?
Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 200 m freestyle | ||||||
400 m freestyle | 4.02.24 CR | 2 Q | 4:03.22 |
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Event | Athletes | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | ||||
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Time | Position | Time | Position | Time | Position | |||
50 m Freestyle [1] | Garrett Weber-Gale | 21.95 | 9 Q | 22.08 | 13 | Did not advance | ||
Ben Wildman-Tobriner | 21.75 | 3 Q | 21.76 | 7 Q | 21.64 | 5 | ||
100 m Freestyle | ||||||||
Jason Lezak | 48.33 | 11 Q | 47.98 | 6 Q | 47.67 |
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Garrett Weber-Gale | 48.19 | 8 Q | 48.12 | 10 | Did not advance | |||
200 m Freestyle | ||||||||
Michael Phelps | 1:46.48 | 4 Q | 1:46.28 | 4 Q | 1:42.96 WR |
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Peter Vanderkaay | 1:47.39 | 12 Q | 1:45.76 | 1 Q | 1:45.14 |
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400 m Freestyle | ||||||||
Larsen Jensen | 3:43.10 AM | 1 Q | N/A | 3:42.78 AM |
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Peter Vanderkaay | 3:44.22 | 6 Q | N/A | 3:43.11 | 4 | |||
1500 m Freestyle | Larsen Jensen | 14:49.53 | 8 Q | N/A | 14:48.16 | 5 | ||
Peter Vanderkaay | 14:52.11 | 11 | N/A | Did not advance | ||||
100 m Backstroke | ||||||||
Matt Grevers | 53.41 OR | 1 Q | 52.99 | 2 Q | 53.11 |
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Aaron Peirsol | 53.65 | 3 Q | 53.56 | 5 Q | 52.54 WR |
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200 m Backstroke | ||||||||
Ryan Lochte | 1:56.29 | 1 Q | 1:55.40 | 2 Q | 1:53.93 WR |
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Aaron Peirsol | 1:56.35 | 2 Q | 1:55.26 | 1 Q | 1:54.33 |
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100 m Breaststroke | Mark Gangloff | 1:00.71 | 16 Q | 1:00.44 | 7 Q | 1:00.24 | 8 | |
Brendan Hansen | 1:00.36 | 10 Q | 59.94 | 5 Q | 59.57 | 4 | ||
200 m Breaststroke | Eric Shanteau | 2:10.29 | 7 Q | 2:10.10 | 10 | Did not advance | ||
Scott Spann | 2:10.61 | 10 Q | 2:09.08 | 3 Q | 2:09.76 | 6 | ||
100 m Butterfly | Ian Crocker | 51.95 | 13 Q | 51.27 | 3 Q | 51.13 | 4 | |
Michael Phelps | 50.87 | 2 Q | 50.97 | 2 Q | 50.58 OR |
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200 m Butterfly | ||||||||
Michael Phelps | 1:53.70 OR | 1 Q | 1:53.70 =OR | 1 Q | 1:52.03 WR |
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Gil Stovall | 1:55.42 | 8 Q | 1:55.36 | 9 | Did not advance | |||
200 m Individual Medley | ||||||||
Ryan Lochte | 1:58.15 | 1 Q | 1:57.69 | 1 Q | 1:56.53 |
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Michael Phelps | 1:58.65 | 6 Q | 1:57.70 | 2 Q | 1:54.23 WR |
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400 m Individual Medley | ||||||||
Ryan Lochte | 4:10.33 | 4 Q | N/A | 4:08.09 |
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Michael Phelps | 4:07.82 OR | 1 Q | N/A | 4:03.84 WR |
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4x100 m Freestyle | ||||||||
Nathan Adrian Matt Grevers Cullen Jones Jason Lezak Garrett Weber-Gale Ben Wildman-Tobriner Michael Phelps |
3:12.23 WR (Adrian, Jones, Wildman-Tobriner, Grevers) |
1 Q | N/A | 3:08.24 WR (Phelps, Webber-Gale, Jones, Lezak) |
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4x200 m Freestyle | ||||||||
Ricky Berens Klete Keller Ryan Lochte Michael Phelps Peter Vanderkaay Erik Vendt Dave Walters |
7:04.66 OR (Walters, Berens, Keller, Vendt) |
1 Q | N/A | 6:58.56 WR (Phelps, Lochte, Berens, Vanderkaay) |
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4x100 m Medley | ||||||||
Ian Crocker Matt Grevers Mark Gangloff Brendan Hansen Jason Lezak Aaron Peirsol Michael Phelps Garrett Weber-Gale |
3:32.75 (Grevers, Gangloff, Crocker, Weber-Gale) |
1 Q | N/A | 3:29.34 WR (Peirsol, Hansen, Phelps, Lezak) |
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10 km Open Water | Mark Warkentin | N/A | 1:52:13.00 | 8 |
Now cosider that table with 30 similar ones in a row on the same page. I don't think this looks as good or as clear as the current form. Basement12 (T. C) 17:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
bgcolor=gold
only for the last table cell ("Rank"), and we should probably get rid of the icon in that case. That reduces the amount of text obscured by the vibrant colour to just a single character, instead of the results values as well. To go all the way back to your original examples, that would look like:Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 400 m freestyle | 4:02.24 CR | 2 Q | N/A | 4:03.22 | 1 | |
800 m freestyle | 8:18.08 OR | 1 Q | N/A | 8:14.10 WR | 1 |
I'm not particularly attched to the honeydew or wheat colorings and there is nothing wrong as such with the above example, just think they may make things easier to follow. Take for example a sport like judo
Athlete | Event | Round of 64 | Round of 32 | Round of 16 | Quarterfinals | Semifinals | Final | Repechage 1 | Repechage 2 | Repechage 3 | Bronze medal final | |
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Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result |
Opposition Result | |||
Pedro Dias | 66 kg | Bye | ![]() W 0100/0001 |
![]() W 01012/0010 |
![]() L 0000/0002 |
Did not advance | N/A | ![]() L 0001/1001 |
Did not advance | |||
João Neto | 81 kg | ![]() ishvili ( GEO) W 1010/0000 |
![]() W 1001/0000 |
![]() W 1000/0000 |
![]() L 0000/0001 |
Did not advance | N/A | ![]() L 0000/1000 |
Did not advance | |||
João Pina | 73 kg | N/A | ![]() W 0010/0000 |
![]() L 0001/0111 |
Did not advance | N/A | ![]() L 0010/0011 |
Did not advance |
Actually that doesn't look as bad as i'd imagined so the colours ca probably go, but i'll leave it there as an example for others to view.
So my final (i think) opinion would be;
Athlete | Events | Heat | Semi-Final | Final | |||
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Time | Rank | Time | Rank | Time | Rank | ||
Rebecca Adlington | 400 m freestyle | 4:02.24 CR | 2 Q | N/A | 4:03.22 |
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800 m freestyle | 8:18.08 OR | 1 Q | N/A | 8:14.10 WR |
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I'm sure all the background colours can be easily removed with WP:AWB as well so its not as big a job as t may seem. - Basement12 (T. C) 19:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello. Several Olympics-related categories are now nominated for renaming. Please, voice your opinions here. Thanks. - Darwinek ( talk) 11:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I know this is a very busy moment for our project but I just wanted to alert that User:Oliphaunt has rightfully noticed something which was not right, according to WP guidelines, about the Olympic event article titles: the use of an hyphen (-) to separate the event name from the parent sport page title (e.g. Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 100 metre freestyle), goes against WP:DASH that promotes use of either unspaced em-dash ( Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics—Men's 100 metre freestyle or spaced en-dash ( Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metre freestyle).
He began moving 2008 Olympic judo pages, replacing hyphens with em-dashes, and states a bot (or maybe AWB) can make this herculean task very straightforward. I don't know if Oliphaunt wishes to commit himself to move hundreds of articles or if we should take that task in our hands. Are there any opinions or comments about such measures? Parutakupiu ( talk) 17:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I raised the "hyphen versus en-dash" question on Wikipedia:Naming conventions, and their recommendation fits our idea, that is, moving the current articles to substitute hyphens for spaced en-dashes and leaving the old pages as redirects (since it's easier to type an hyphen, while searching the pages). Parutakupiu ( talk) 23:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with this because it is significantly easier to type a hyphen. There is a nonshifted key on the keyboard for the hyphen, yet there is no key at all for a dash. Even if there are redirects, this is not convenient. I realize that this is at WP:MOS, but I don't think it should ban regular hyphens in the first place. If you do inconveniently change the hyphens to a dash, there should be spaces on both sides of it. i.e. Olympics – Men's, not Olympics–Men's. I hope I uderstood this right. Reywas92 Talk 23:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
So, the games are over and we agreed to move the articles to have a spaced en dash instead of a hyphen. (Sorry Reywas92, MOS is the rule here, address complaints to them). Is anyone in possesion of a bot who would perform the massive renaming? -- Tone 00:33, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I've just started using the Wikipedia Olympics 08 articles as I watch the games - and the work you folks have been doing is fantastic. I had no idea so much thought and effort had been put in. The organization makes everything really easy to drill down to the information I'm looking for. Thank you all so much! -- SiobhanHansa 01:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Given the fact that Phelps looks like he may set some records, anyone interested in creating a list page that would list the most olympic medals won by an individual. We could create various lists for both men and women, summer and winter olympics, and most medals won historically. We could work on it on this sandbox ( User:Remember/SandboxList) until it is ready to be its own page. What do people think? Remember ( talk) 02:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I asked a question revealing my ignorance of Chinese at Talk:Beijing_National_Stadium#Simplified_.2F_Traditional_Chinese. Please answer there if you have knowledge of the preferred way to designate the venues in Chinese. TIA, PhilipR ( talk) 05:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if it's a good idea to further split the Basketball at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men into Basketball at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's preliminary round group A, Basketball at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's preliminary round group B and Basketball at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's knockout stage (same for the women's tourney)? Considering the Olympics is the basketball equivalent of the World Cup and the world cup articles are split ad infinitum. The thing is not all Olympic events are split this way. – Howard the Duck 09:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I disagree. The article isn't that long, and there's already way too many articles for this Olympics. As with PhilipR, I think the World Cup does not need so many articles either. Reywas92 Talk 23:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I've been pondering this for a while, not really knowing if I should take it to WP:RM, WP:NC, or some sport WikiProject. My choice ultimately fell on this one, and I hope you'll bear with me as this, while not technically an Olympic issue, is something that will probably get little interest from those Wikipedians who are not Olympic-geeks (or actual shooting-geeks, but we're a tiny bunch).
The thing is, we presently have articles named 300 m Rifle, 300 m Standard Rifle, 50 m Rifle, 10 m Air Rifle, 50 m Pistol, 25 m Pistol, 25 m Rapid Fire Pistol, 25 m Center-Fire Pistol, 25 m Standard Pistol, 10 m Air Pistol, Olympic Trap, Double Trap, Olympic Skeet, 50 m Running Target, and 10 m Running Target. This choice of abbreviated and capitalized titles was my own at one point in the past. This is how the ISSF generally writes them in the official rules and reports. It also reflects the fact that the event names are really proper nouns with arbitrary names chosen by the ISSF (as opposed to, say, "high jump" that simply is a high jump); especially the terms "Olympic trap" and "double trap" might cause some confusion if not capitalized.
On the other hand, I have noticed that others contributing in the field, such as on Olympic subpages, have often opted to write "25 metre rapid fire pistol" etc. Despite the drawbacks listed above, there are several obvious advantages, such as being more conforming to Wikipedia naming conventions, not standing out unnecessarily in prose, and not risking that Americans would wonder what the m stands for. Most recently this issue came up at Talk:10 m Air Pistol/GA1. I'm finding myself more and more in agreement with the view that we should actually move these articles to 300 metre rifle etc. (Perhaps we should also split up 300 m rifle, 50 m rifle and the RT events into their sub-events.) Thoughts? -- Jao ( talk) 18:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
On a related note, I had asked this before, but shall repeat again: why do we capitalize "Men's" and "Women's" in article names after the hyphen? If we are going to change article names for the hyphen to a spaced en-dash, for example, that might be a good time to fix this too. We'd end up with Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics – men's 100 metres, for example. — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 22:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
You may remember me as having begun the confusion over "_____ at the Olympics" articles that was eventually resolved. A question on the templates that are used on those articles (for example, {{ Infobox Olympics Brazil}}) — when Beijing is concluded, could these templates be modified so that they display the nation's total medal count through all Olympics since 1896? I'm not asking for a separate list of medals for each year: I'm asking about having a single line saying that Brazil has earned 17 golds, 21 silvers, and 38 bronzes, with a total of 76 medals. Nyttend ( talk) 02:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Pardon my confusion, but I don't see how there could be confusion: why couldn't the medal total in the box simply be for all the years that are linked to by the box? Surely there has to be some reason that it was determined that the box would link to certain years (for the German example, 1896-1912, 1928-1936, 1952-1976, 1984-2008 Summer and 1928-1936, 1952-2006 Winter), so to me it would make sense to have a medal total in the box representing all years linked in the section called "Olympic history". Nyttend ( talk) 20:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
{{
Infobox Olympics Germany}}
, the editing of a pro-German editor resulted in the current consensus that includes the sequence of EUA and FRG teams as well as the GER ones. This is different from the total counts where GER, FRG, and EUA are distinct. I guess my main concern is the over-emphasis of the all-time medal totals, and the inevitable edit-warring we'll see from nationalistic editors who may not necessarily abide by any "conventions" we try to establish. —
Andrwsc (
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20:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)I recently nominated the 2008 highlights article for deletion and have seen some interesting discussion as a result. The AFD was closed as a result of being linked to the main page.
I think that perhaps this project/its members should discuss the "highlights" format. I am aware of 2 such pages, there may be more, which would be affected. I am currently opposed to the use of "highlights" articles. Additionally I believe it may be appropriate to develop guidelines or policy for the development of articles related to current events. While such articles may be sorted out later on, their impact would seem to be to greatest during the course of a current event. People will read those articles as something is happening, making our preparation for such situation rather important. I'm sure that the articles related to the 2008 Olympic games are being read, and like other formats a rapidly updated encyclopedia like WP holds some responsibility in its immediate effects on the sharing of information. The "highlights" page as an example has the problems that any article may have, but they would seem to be magnified by the timeliness of being read. If there is a problem in the "highlights" article with lets say NPOV, then that problem can be fixed over time, but all the people reading it in the mean time will be affected. If for some reason we overemphasize the performance of table tennis players from Latvia (hypothetical), and then thousands of readers are seeing an over-representation of table tennis in the article, and then leave Wikipedia thinking that Latvian table tennis is the something it's not, then we've created an undue influence on the WP audience. The table tennis presence may be toned down later, but the effect generated will have already been put in place.
I believe that this discussion may help in deciding whether or not to write highlights articles in the future, and may have implications for future current events. Please consider that editors may run into similar issues with highlights of other Olympic style events, other sporting events like the World Cup, and perhaps even other non-athletic events. Becky Sayles ( talk) 07:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
{{
main}}
to the per-sport details articles. That is clearly superior to our approach on the 2008 Games (and most other, regretfully) articles, where we just have a bullet list of links to the per-sport articles, and an often haphazard "Highlights" section. Perhaps that should be a main task of this WikiProject in a couple of weeks, going back to clean those up. I seem to recall a previous discussion about this idea (in the archives somewhere). —
Andrwsc (
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16:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there a preference? Becky Sayles ( talk) 07:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of China at the 1952 Summer Olympics. — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 20:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Canada at the 2008 Summer Olympics (and for that matter, Canada at the 2004 Summer Olympics) has a section on 'top 8' finishers. This is the only nation's article to have that. I believe it's patently non-notable to make a conspicuous section for any finishers below 3rd. I've taken the section out of the 2008 article twice, only to be reverted twice. If I'm in the wrong, I'll stop, but I really don't think I am. Nosleep ( talk) 23:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
It's getting a little nasty. Can we form a solid consensus on this, one way or the other? Nosleep ( talk) 08:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Have we come to a consensus one way or another? The section is still in the article but the discussion seems to have died without a decision being made. I think it should go for the record Basement12 (T. C) 15:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the sections from the articles listed above. I'll try and keep an eye on them but i'm sure some will reappear. Basement12 (T. C) 16:49, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
The Great Britain at the 2008 Summer Olympics page (and possibly others) has an aquatics section containing results for diving, swimming and sychronyzed swimming. Most team pages e.g. US have it broken down into seperate swimming and diving sections and placed in the corresponding alphabetical positions. They are listed as seperate sports on Template:EventsAt2008SummerOlympics. Should the GB page be altered? Basement12 ( talk) 02:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
The Beijing website breaks the results down into the 38 Olympic disciplines. Our pages generally use the 28 Olympic sports, separating only the sport of Aquatics into its component disciplines. I don't think there's really any problem with continuing to use our current system since I think that's the way that makes it easiest for the casual reader to find what he's looking for (he's going to look for swimming under Swimming and artistic gymnastics under Gymnastics, and putting either of those sections in the A portion of the page for Aquatics or Artistic Gymnastics makes it tougher). I'm more concerned with internal consistency--that is, on each NOC at the XXXX Olympics page, swimming should be treated the same. This is true regardless of whether we decide to continue with the system we have been using or if we switch to either the 28-sport list or the 38-discipline list. -- Jonel ( Speak to me) 00:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Returning to this issue, because I believe it's one that could and should be resolved now so everyone knows what the appropriate action to take on nation pages. So, do you want to go for seperate aquatics sections, or all aquatics sports under one combined section?
I just created the All-time Paralympic Games medal table. Its pretty obvious that I got my inspiration from the All-time Olympic Games medal table and seeing that the Paralympics were missing a similar article I took action; and it took forever to do it by myself. In the end all I could finish was a list showing the summer paralympics. Now I am knackered and wouldn't mind some help with the winter paralympics being added and a grand total for both events. If someone would be willing to check my counts that would be great also. I'm going to take a bit of a break from this due to real life, but any assistance would be greatly appreciated :-) -- Phoenix ( talk) 09:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I would like to ask about a naming issue related to the Olympic Games. IOC uses "Virgin Islands" for the United States Virgin Islands and WP follows this naming, e.g. Category:Olympic competitors for the Virgin Islands lists sportsmen from the U.S. Virgin Islands. Should we rename all these categories to the United States Virgin Islands form to differentiate from the British Virgin Islands? - Darwinek ( talk) 12:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
A new article has been created List of multiple Olympic medalists that needs a lot of help. Anyone interested in helping out would be greatly appreciated. Hopefully, we can get this up to DYK level in the next several days. Remember ( talk) 12:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
See my comment here: Talk:Gymnastics_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics_-_Women's_artistic_individual_all-around#Qualified_competitors. Appears that the present article is a mismash of qualifying scores and, for the top four spots, final scores. They need to be differentiated, because they are not the same list of scores! - PhilipR ( talk) 06:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
No, I don't mean the cheating and the health issues or whatever. I mean once an athlete's results have been annulled after doping, all the athletes below him/her (not just the medalists!) has to be MOVED UP ONE SPOT as a result. Check this [2] and this [3] (this has not been updated when I write this, but should be soon) out after the DQ of Kim Jong Su. And this even includes this poor little girl who got DQed after originally finishing 59th. Now everybody who finished behind her has been moved up one spot [4]. A real headache for us editors. Chanheigeorge ( talk) 08:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not so familiar with this Wikiproject and its conventions, but I would like to combine the men's and women's result tables at Philippines at the 2008 Summer Olympics. Does this go against any convention that I'm not aware of? Seems wasteful to have separate tables with only one athlete each for long jump, diving, and taekwondo. TheCoffee ( talk) 16:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Can someone help me with User:Imbris? He/she keeps making changes to articles and templates such as List of participating nations at the Summer Olympic Games, List of participating nations at the Winter Olympic Games, Template:Infobox Olympics Yugoslavia, etc. His/her objection is that the nation designated "Yugoslavia" (YUG) at the Olympics until the 1992 Winter Games is quite different from the "Yugoslavia" (YUG) from 1996–2002, and that the latter is pretty much the same thing as "Serbia and Montenegro" (SCG) that competed 2004–2006. This POV is actually quite accurate, but the manner in which this POV is expressed on those Olympic articles is incorrect, in my view. Imbris insists on "erasing" the instances of Yugoslavia/YUG for 1996–2002 from the infobox and from the tables on the lists of nations. My solution was to use footnotes, annotations, etc. to clearly make the distinction between the multiple Yugoslavias, and make the connection from the FR Yugoslavia teams to the Serbia and Montenegro teams. Imbris seems totally unwilling to accept this solution, and I don't know why. Any other suggestions from the Olympics editors here would be welcome. — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 21:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
{{
Country IOC alias YUG}}
and wondered if you couldn't do here the same you did on {{
Country flag IOC alias YUG}}
, but in this case, code for a name change acording to the games
parameter value. This way, the same YUG code would appear in the infobox during 1920–2002, but the name at the top would display "Yugoslavia" (1920–1992W) and "FR Yugoslavia" or "Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" (1996–2002). What's your input? Would this solve anything?
Parutakupiu (
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16:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)Yes Andrwsc is very patient but his method of improving Wikipedia is doing reverts and discussing. But Andrwsc has strangely enough omitted the fact that I agree with his position on using footnotes, annotations, explanations. I also agree that the fact that Serbia and Montenegro which during the 1990s formed a joint state (which were not recognized by the United Nations up to October/December 2000) sent a team "Yugoslavia" with the code YUG should be mentioned, and if you want emphasized but this info cannot be in the same infobox as the one representing Yugoslavia (1920S-1992W). Any other solution would be misleading, and if Parutakupiu wants to mislead users of this Wikipedia I would like to remind him that Andrwsc wants clarity for the users (even ones who know that a team called "Yugoslavia" participated in the (1996S-2002W)). I agree with Andrwsc once more on that issue that Wikipedia should be as "clear" as possible, but not in the manner of:
I have on numerous accounts explained to Andrwsc that my position is to stop further arguing that Yugoslavia's heritage belongs to any ex-YUG nation - except all of the nations (NOC's). Also I think that we should use a method of clean cuts like in the case of Republic of China/Chinese Taipei.
Using the logic of Parutakupiu why should we "take care" users who do not read the entire article but simply browse for a few seconds. In the infobox for Serbia and Montenegro there is a footnote that explains under which team name and code Serbia and Montenegro participated in 1996 S, 2000 S, and 1998 W and 2002 W. The matter should have been solved by that template (which for the matter of fact was created by Andrwsc).
Andrwsc intentions may be good but we cannot make those references, footnotes, annotations in the cells of the years of appearances nor in the template infobox Yugoslavia. We can list those references, footnotes and annotations by the name of the team (in the row-cell dedicated to team name and flag). And in the infobox we can list related appearances, but not what Andrwsc suggested "breaking" the list of years of participations in infobox olympic Yugoslavia like it was a simple break in attendance or change of the countries names.
Yugoslavia (1996S-2002W) changed its name in 2003 to Serbia and Montenegro (SCG). This is important.
Yugoslavia (1920S-1992W) has not changed its name in 1992 to FR Yugoslavia.
Imbris ( talk) 18:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
{{
Infobox Olympics Yugoslavia}}
so that whenever the games
parameter contained any of the Summer Olympics editions during 1920–1988 (and Winter editions during 1924–1992), it only showed the participations for FPR/SFR Yugoslavia, hence only showing participations for FR Yugoslavia when any other Olympics editions were added to that parameter. So, basically, without having to create another infobox for FR Yugoslavia alone, when its IOC code was the same as for FPR/SFR Yugoslavia, I took advantage of the existing infobox (that "answered" to the code YUG) and gave it "two faces". For better navigation between Yugoslavia pages pre- and post-1992 Winter Games, I added links to the Olympic pages of the states that preceded or succeded, in the "Other related appearances" section. I've also made according changes in {{
Infobox Olympics Serbia and Montenegro}}
, to only include years post-2003, when the country actually had this name and the IOC code SCG.{{
Infobox Olympics Serbia and Montenegro}}
but haven't you forgot to add the two SCG instances to the "FR Yugoslavia" face of {{
Infobox Olympics Yugoslavia}}
? Or was it intentional because there's already a link to
Serbia and Montenegro at the Olympics in the "other appearances" section?There is currently a List of multiple Olympic gold medalists. It would be good to have List of multiple Paralympic gold medalists. I've been creating articles on Paralympic athletes, and I've started a draft version of an article that would list all Paralympians who have won three gold medals or more. You can find it here. If anyone wants to help me with that, you'd be very welcome. Even if it's just adding one athlete that you know of to the list. The problem is, I'm not entirely sure where to find information. (By the way, kudos for All-time Paralympic Games medal table!) Aridd ( talk) 22:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear fellow contributors
MOSNUM no longer encourages date-autoformatting, having evolved over the past year or so from the mandatory to the optional, after much discussion there and elsewhere of the disadvantages of the system. MOSLINK and CONTEXT are consistent with this.
There are at least six disadvantages of using date-autoformatting, which I've capped here:
Removal has generally been met with positive responses by editors, and the consensus for change is overwhelming. I seek in-principle consensus here for the removal of date autoformatting from the main text of articles related to this WikiProject, using a script; such a move would also be sensitive to local objections on any article talk page. The original input formatting would be seen by all WPians, not just the huge number of visitors; it would be plain, unobtrusive text, which would give greater prominence to the high-value links.
You may wish to peruse the following capped text to compare two examples, with and without date autoformatting. The DA is set at international style—the one pertaining in this particular article—to show all WPians how the blue dates are displayed to visitors. MOSNUM prescribes rules for the raw formatting, irrespective of whether or not dates are autoformatted, analogous to our highly successful guidelines for the use of varieties of English. The choice of style is audited during the running of the script to ensure that it is appropriate to the article (i.e., consistent, and country-related where appropriate).
EXAMPLE 1
Original
DA-free
EXAMPLE 2 Original
DA-free
I look forward to your feedback. Tony (talk) 07:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
accessdate
parameter in templates like {{
cite web}}
? I use those a LOT and always include the access date. —
Andrwsc (
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14:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)Responses to Huaiwei:
Responses to Andrwsc:
Oh my God, this is here too? Dude, get over it, and deal with this in the appropriate venue!
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15:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
The acronyms are rather confusing. While WR and Q are probably self explanatory, what about AS, ER, or the like? It seems like either a key template needs to be made, or a page that can be linked to, or simply spell them out. Thoughts? Others have already expressed confusion. -- Falcorian (talk) 08:08, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
A potential solution is a universal template with meanings of acronyms. It could be in a way like that used for politcal parties in Template:United States political party shading key. Reywas92 Talk 23:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I notice that in the highlights page, Day 1 is 9th August, while for the daily medals table on the Great Britain page, Day 1 is 8th August. Obviously, these should agree with each other. Which standard should we use? Bluap ( talk) 20:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is already probably the best Olympic site on the web to prepare for TV viewing. Adding the projected favorites would annihilate the competition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.159.192.204 ( talk) 15:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Alex Bakharev who operates AlexNewArtBot, a great bot searching for new articles according to given criteria, created new Olympic feed on my request. When it will begin to operate I will notify the WikiProject. - Darwinek ( talk) 17:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Greetings. I think we are " burying the lede" in the main articles for the Olympics. The Olympics are all about the sports, medals, and the athletes who earn them. Yet, information about the bid, mascot, ceremonies, media overage, and even upgrades to the host city's infrastructure all appear in these articles before the sports and medals sections. The " 1996 Summer Olympics" article even puts the critisism and bombing sections in front of the sports.
From a reader's perspective, I'd like to see the sports and medal sections at the top of every main Olympic article immediately after the intro and TOC. Other sections could also be rearranged based on relevancy. I think putting the important sections first trumps the apparent present philosophy of presenting a rough chronological view of the evolution of the event. Opinions? -- Tcncv ( talk) 21:34, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I created a sidebar template Template:Nations at the 2008 Summer Olympics to complement Template:NOCin2008SummerOlympics for some of the larger countries. I think it would be useful for quick navigation on larger nation pages. It has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 August 18.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 05:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Here's something to consider. Flags at the Olympics are always in a 2:3 ratio, regardless of their actual proportions. That means that Switzerland competes under a rectangular flag () instead of a square one (
), the UK's flag is squished to look like this
instead of this
and Canada's flag is squished to look like this:
[6]. You can see this really clearly during the medal ceremonies:
[7]
[8]
[9]
[10].
Does anyone see any value in changing the flags on the various infoboxes and templates to reflect this? It would mean making new images in many cases, but once they were done, it would just be a matter of changing the various Country flag IOC alias templates. Orange Tuesday ( talk) 13:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
At what point in the past week were all of the medal pages changed from, for example, 2008 Summer Olympics medal count to 2008 Summer Olympics medal table? Was there consensus somewhere in doing so, because I was mildly surprised to see that this happened. Obviously, I think either one makes sense, so before I form an opinion here, I just want to know when/where/why it happened in the first place! Jared (t) 13:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
At the Summer Olympic Games and Winter Olympic Games pages, users have been adding a list of games "winners" (countries with the most medals) because it's "interesting". I have been removing the lists because they are OR and because the IOC does not recognize "winners". Out of curiosity, does anyone here think that this information should be included? -- Scorpion 0422 19:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
There is now a discussion about this here, so if anyone wants to chip in their two cents, they are welcome to. -- Scorpion 0422 03:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
This has been a slow paced edit war that I am getting sick of. The page contains an image of Michael Phelps, Lazlo Cseh and Ryan Lochte with their medals. Now according to various users on the talk page:
The reason the image is there is because we don't have a free one of the medals, and it's better than nothing. I think of it as a temporary image that will replaced as soon as one of the medals comes along (and hopefully one will). So, I was wondering what others think? Is it worth keeping the image, or should we just replace it with nothing or one of the opening ceremonies? -- Scorpion 0422 22:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if it was due to the
above actions but as you can see the
Virgin Islands ({{flagIOC|ISV|2004 Summer}}) and
Virgin Islands links no longer work as they attempt to direct to the United States Virgin Islands at 200X games. I assume its the same for other games as well. I don't know how to fix this (short of setting up redirects, which should probably be done anyway) so could someone look into it?
Basement12 (
talk)
23:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I've set up redirects from United States Virgin Islands at the XXXX Games pages anyway as people may go there looking for results. Basement12 ( talk) 10:55, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
On most articles on individual events, the first section is the medalists. The first section header should always be a second-level heading i.e. with two equals == on each side. However many of these articles' first header is third-level ===. I have fixed some: this wrong version to this correct version. As I don't have the time to fix every article with this minor mistake, I ask that you please fix this with a simple edit when you come across it. Thanks, Reywas92 Talk 00:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Please explain this. It is fib that it's been standard since day 1, as you made it that way in the first place on day 8 [11]. It makes absolutely no sense for a 1st level header (title of article) to be followed by a 3rd level header. Every other article begins with a 2nd level header, and I see no reason to go 1, 3, 2, 3 in these articles. The medalist list is a unique section which should be top-level. Per WP:HEAD,
You claim that it being bolder blends it in with the first paragraph, yet there is a TOC in the way and there is no reason for the first unique section to blend in. Reywas92 Talk 01:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I found an apparent bug with using H3 without an H2. I have the "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page" gadget enables in my preferences. It works fine for all pages except those that have the orphaned h3. For those pages, the lead section "(edit)" will actually open some other section (usually the first h2 section). At least half of the event articles for Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics articles exhibit this problem. -- Tcncv ( talk) 07:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Tha problem has now been fixed, at least on the pages I've been monitoring. Thanks to Basement12 ( talk · contribs). -- Tcncv ( talk) 04:37, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
They should ALL now be fixed. Basement12 (T. C) 15:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
On ,the issue of athletes' names, I have seen that the vast majority of Slavic names and others are spelled correctly with all the symbols and special characters that they contain but Spanish, French and (in a lesser frequency) Romanian names are poorly spelled. For instance, Spanish and French names often carry accents like in González, Pérez, Gaël, etc. When writing a name please, respect the original spelling most of the time. I know that this could be a minor, unimportant issue but if you happen to know which is the correct spelling I think there's no problem to type it right. Mannschaftskapitän ( talk) 01:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The article about Dwain Chambers is currently at FAC. Please could anyone help by leaving comments and suggestions? This would be the first sprinter FA if it passes and might serve well as a future template. Thanks. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 04:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello all. Many event articles have a Records section showing the world and Olympic records that existed prior to the competition. Whenever a new record is set, it is rightfully noted in the event details later in nthe article. However, many well meaning editors attempt to update the "prior records" table, necessitating repeated rollbacks. I don't blame these editors, because the section header "Records" is a natural place to record the updated record.
I propose following adding a new-records-set table to the Records section following the prior-records table. I know it duplicates information, but I think it is useful to have this summary and natural for it to immediately follow the prior records. I've prepared some prototypes that I've added to the Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 50 metre freestyle and Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 100 metre freestyle articles. I've also repeated them below. One design feature is the use of dedicated columns for OR and WR. The could be expanded to include columns for each of the continental records if desired. I also would suggest using a similar format for event category record sections such as in Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics#Records broken. I've also included a sample below.
'Single record sample - Men's 50 m freestyle
Date | Event | Name | Nationality | Time | OR | WR | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
14 August | Heat 11 | César Cielo | ![]() |
21.47 | OR | ||
14 August | Heat 12 | Amaury Leveaux | ![]() |
21.46 | OR | ||
15 August | Semifinal 2 | César Cielo | ![]() |
21.34 | OR | ||
16 August | Final | César Cielo | ![]() |
21.30 | OR |
Single record sample - Men's 100 m freestyle. Note that some records were set in a related event.
Date | Event | Name | Nationality | Time | OR | WR | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
12 August | 4×100 m relay heat 1 lead off | Amaury Leveaux | ![]() |
47.76 | OR | ||
12 August | 4×100 m relay final lead off | Eamon Sullivan | ![]() |
47.24 | OR | WR | |
13 August | Semifinal 1 | Alain Bernard | ![]() |
47.20 | OR | WR | |
13 August | Semifinal 2 | Eamon Sullivan | ![]() |
47.05 | OR | WR |
Proposed event category sample (incomplete)
Please comment. If the concept meets with general approval, I (and anyone else who would like to contribute) can add them to other articles. For events where no records were broken, I'd also suggest adding a brief note to that effect. -- Tcncv ( talk) 05:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
We seem to have articles on people who have won medals, lists of people who have won multiple medals, information on who is presenting medals but no articles on Olympic medals themselves or how they are awarded and how this has changed. Strange. I only point this out as a question relating to tied medal positions is currently on the ref desk. Sure we have articles on Gold, Silver and Bronze medals in a general sense which touch briefly on the Olympics but no in depth history. 84.68.60.156 ( talk) 14:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
There's incorrect bolding in the opening sentence of numerous articles (namely, "[Country] at [xxxx] Olympics"). See the second bullet here. Can someone with a script (or some free time) help me fix this?- Wafulz ( talk) 15:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not going to argue, but my opinion is that bolding the title in the first sentence is important and looks better than without bold. I think what MOS is refering to is not to use bold when the title is awkward, which I do not feel this is. I would advocate keeping both the aesthetic bolding, even if broken up, as well as the useful wikilink. Reywas92 Talk 21:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The correct British-English spelling of this word is medallist (two L's). Refs: [12] [13] [14]. I suggest therefore that Category:Olympic medalists for Great Britain and related categories/articles are changed to reflect this as per WP:ENGVAR-Strong national ties to a topic. I don't want to start an edit war making the changes without agreement from contributors here. Yboy83 ( talk) 20:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I was asked to comment here by User:Basement12 as I'd comment on this issue at Talk:Great Britain at the 2008 Summer Olympics#Medalist vs Medallist. The discussion on that page seems ungoing so rather than repeat comments here I suggest that anyone interested in this issue also looks at the comments there. Dpmuk ( talk) 00:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I just ran into what appears to be a bit of plagiarism. On the part of the Beijing Organizing Committee for the Olympic Games. Check it out: compare [16] to [17].
The first is Luxembourg's NOC summary page from the official Beijing Games website. In the "highlights", you'll find this paragraph.
It was discovered that Michel Theato, competing for France at the 1900 Olympic Games, was actually Luxembourgish. However, the gold medal Theato won in the marathon at the Paris Games is still credited to France by the IOC.
The second is a version of our Luxembourg at the Olympics page. Note the date on our version; it's from nearly two years ago. At the end of the lede, you'll see the following.
Recently, it was also discovered that Michel Théato, competing for France at the 1900 Summer Olympics, was actually Luxembourgish. However, the gold medal Théato won in the marathon at the Paris Games is still credited to France by the IOC.
Quite similar, no? Neither Wikipedia nor the IP editor who added that paragraph are credited, of course. Not sure what to make of this. No idea how many more instances of this there are in the Beijing pages. It also makes me leery of using the Beijing results page as a source for Luxembourg, Haiti, Peru, and Iran competing for the first time in at the 1900 Summer Olympics (see the participating nations section of that article for more info on why). -- Jonel ( Speak to me) 04:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Could project members please review the newest discussion on talk:2012 Summer Olympics? Thanks. 16:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
My understanding of categorisation, form reading WP:CAT and WP:SUBCAT is that the articles should not be in both a parent category and a child category. Now, one editor has been going around adding Olympians to thier nationality category as well (So, for example, articles in Category:Olympic gymnasts of Russia have been also added to Category:Russian gymnasts (where it is the parent cat of the former), claiming it is consensus; Now I've not been involved with the Sport WikiProjects long enough, but this seems to go against the wiki-wide conventions. So, is this the case? should Olympians be in both their national (sport) category and their national olympions for (sport) category, or not? Is the consensus documented, if it exists? -- ratarsed ( talk) 19:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Please see:
Thanks. -- Mais oui! ( talk) 13:48, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Any further comments from project members should probably be made at the Great Britain talk page. At the moment it seems quite a lot of support for a move appears to be coming from users who may be unfamiliar with how the IOC and olympic associations work . Some input from users more knowledgable in the area may be needed. Basement12 (T. C) 23:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that page could be deleted, or at least merged with another page? -- Scorpion 0422 15:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
The correct titling for the Olympic Games is Olympic Summer Games not Summer Olympic Games. The games are "Olympic" not "Summer". The ancient Greeks attended Olympic Games not Summer Games - even though they were most likely held in Summer. The same applies to Olympic Winter Games - they are not Winter Olympic Games. The games again are "Olympic" not "Winter". I think with respect this needs a Wikipedia wide review. Peter Konnecke ( talk) 02:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Actually yes I agree Basement12 it's referred to in the Olympic Charter Peter Konnecke ( talk) 02:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Should there be a separate Beach volleyball at the Summer Olympics? I just discovered this article, created on the first day of this year's Games. Nyttend ( talk) 04:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I know this might be pretty lame and unimportant but here are the facts. The official BOCOG Beijing 2008 Olympics webpage uses the odd abbrev DQ for athletes wo have been disqualified while the official BOB TV broadcasting service uses the more commonly adressed DSQ. DSQ seems more logical to me as we have DNF(did not finish), DNS(did not start), etc; when specifying the reasons for why an athlete officially doesn't complete a sporting event. To which one should we stick?
Hi, i'm having a few issuses at the above article where a few users seem to think that the style of displaying results should be different to that used in all other Nations at the 2008 Summer Olympics articles. Users keep undoing edits i've made, for example putting reults in bold or various colours,changing the medals table and changing the format of timed results. also unreferenced PB or SBs are being added next to results which I and others at least at the GB page didn't believe belonged in the article. Some input from others would be appreciated before it becomes an edit war. Basement12 (T. C) 18:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed an inconsistency in how athletes' results are ranked in heats and semi-finals on Nations at the 2008 Summer Olympics articles. Most pages with tables rank the athlete by his/her overall placement in that round. So if an athlete won her heat but came in tenth overall, that athlete would be listed as tenth rather than first. That's the way I've been inputting results. But some pages, like Great Britain at the 2008 Summer Olympics list by rank in the heat rather than overall heat. I want to get a clarification/consensus, so hopefully the various Nation pages can be made uniform without edit wars. I favor providing an athletes overall rank among all heats rather than just by his/her own heat. -- JamesAM ( talk) 21:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
In gymnastics (and some others), there are two parts in a person's score: difficulty and execution. This is what NBC showed us when displaying the scores, but our gymnastics articles (such as Gymnastics at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's rings) use the terms A Score and B Score without keys to what they represent. How should this be done? Reywas92 Talk 01:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
We have a page for 2008 flagbearers that at the moment only lists bearers for the opening ceremony. I know it hasn't happened yet but i'm assuming many countries will use a different bearer for the closing ceremony (and will start announcing who soon) and so this page might need a bit of work to reflect this? Basement12 (T. C) 13:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Most event articles begin with the Medalists section, followed by Records and Schedule (such as Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 100 metre breaststroke). But at least one ( Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Women's 100 metre backstroke) has Schedule first. Do we have any standards for this? Reywas92 Talk 17:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
What does anyone think about nominating the above article for deletion? Is there any point to it given the records section on the GB page? The article is a mess (not reason enough for deletion I know), doesn't actually list PBs as the title suggests and is a completely unreferenced duplicate of said records section. Thoughts? Basement12 (T. C) 19:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Nominated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British Personal Bests at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Basement12 (T. C) 21:59, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that someone listed the post-2000 medalists in Sweden at the Olympics (but for some reason only in the summer games), and now it has been extended back to 1992. Is this a good idea? Should we aim at listing all 592 medalists? The problem with this table is that it would be absurd to exclude it in, say, Iceland at the Olympics or Peru at the Olympics, with four medals each, but wouldn't it be equally absurd to include it as a 2507-row table in United States at the Olympics? -- Jao ( talk) 16:24, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't they be listed at Sweden at the 2008 Summer Olympics, etc. and category:Olympic medalists for Sweden? I really don't think we need another article for every country that has lots of medals. Reywas92 Talk 21:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I've started List of Swedish Olympic medalists (since it was the first country to be mentioned) as a test for this kind article. So far only adding summer games medalists, it might make sense to move the article to List of Swedish Summer Olympic Medalists and have a seperate List of Swedish Winter Olympic Medalists. Basement12 (T. C) 13:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I would like to thank everybody for a Herculean effort with the 2008 articles over the last couple of weeks. Bluap ( talk) 16:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Wish id come across this weeks ago. Would have saved a lot of debate with various users! Basement12 (T. C) 17:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)