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We're sadly lacking in Christmas pix, these are recycled from last year. Maybe somebody could go out and shoot some for next year. Mine may not foot the bill, coming from the Virgin Islands. Ho! Ho! Ho! Enjoy and Merry Christmas! Smallbones ( talk) 03:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Here's one from this year: the NRHP-listed Kearney County Courthouse in Minden, Nebraska, which bills itself as "Nebraska's Christmas City". Minden started lighting the courthouse square in 1915, when the city fathers decided to impress a state G.A.R. convention by illuminating the route from the railroad station to the square. Weather interfered, as weather has a way of doing in Nebraska, and the lights were repurposed for a Christmas display. Pleased to report that they haven't yet put a Santa Claus hat on the infantryman on the Civil War monument. Ammodramus ( talk) 04:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Not nearly as decorated, but this one is definitely from this year. Here's NRHP-listed Meridian City Hall lit up for the holidays! Originally built during the Great Depression, the building has been under restoration since 2006 and is nearing completion. The image is thanks to local photographer Nathan Culpepper.-- Dudemanfellabra ( talk) 06:46, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
I already posted this on the NY issues board, but there are incorret NRHP parameters used on the 145th Street (IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line) article. While that station is historic enough to deserve NRHP status, all the documentation shows that the actual 145th Street Subway station with NRHP status in Manhattan is 145th Street (IRT Lenox Avenue Line). ---- DanTD ( talk) 12:39, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
See you have a userbox for # of historic districts visited, would be cool to have one for those who actually live in one! :-) Nikki ( talk) 19:33, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
I was putting together the article for the Ironwood City Hall, and it turns out that the structure has been demolished for over 20 years. It seems to me that the infobox ought to recognize that, so I added a banned using the "designated other" parameter (see the article). So, question: is this a good idea, and if so, is it worth adding a specialized parameter to the infobox (like "delisted"?) Andrew Jameson ( talk) 12:22, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
|demolished=
parameter which holds the date of demolition. I just put it in the article and took out the banner.--
Dudemanfellabra (
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As far as placement on lists is concerned, how do we deal with burned ships that don't exist anymore? I decided to take a trip to Sandusky, Ohio today ( National Register of Historic Places listings in Sandusky, Ohio will be extremely close to fully illustrated when I finish uploading my photos of almost 110 different sites), and to my surprise, I couldn't find G.A. BOECKLING (side-paddlewheel steamboat) at its location. The public library reference desk told me "no" when I asked if it were normally berthed there, but they didn't explain what had happened to it. Figuring that it had been moved to a different port, I checked Google, which provided this NPS document that refers to the burning of a ship G.A. Boeckling at Sandusky, Ohio. What do we do with it? We normally leave properties on lists that have been destroyed by fire, unless they're delisted (e.g. Lockington Covered Bridge, burned in 1989, appears on our Shelby County, Ohio list), but when movable structures such as ships get moved, we change them (e.g. Donald B. we list in Switzerland County, Indiana, even though NPS lists it at its former location in Brown County, Ohio). At the same time, we include the shipwreck Mississippi III in the list for Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, even though it sank after it got moved there from Washington County, Ohio.
All this is to say: since it appears that there's not a trace left of the Boeckling, the situation seems to be unique. What should we do with it? Nyttend ( talk) 01:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Not exactly sure where this is going, but remember the State of Pennsylvania (in Delaware) "The boat foundered near its dock on the Christina River in 1970. In 1979, it was listed on the National Register of Historic Places.[1] In 1988, the upper decks were destroyed by a deliberately set fire, and in 2005 the hull was removed and scrapped as a hazard to navigation, all without the ship being raised." Smallbones ( talk) 00:53, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
I added an image and a reference but I think someone should take a look at this article. -- Traveler100 ( talk) 10:00, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
In trying to supply refnums to the county/city table, I could not find this one in the FOCUS or other standard sources. I did find it in the Elkman Infobox Generator as 88002206 - owner objection. I got this number from National Register of Historic Places.com indicating listing in 1988. The National Register of Historic Places listings in Essex County, New York indicates that it was approved April 9, 1992. I could not easily find it in the 1992 NRHP list. I have given the number and owner objection in the comments of the county table. Maybe someone with more familiarity with New York State NRHP could look for it or delete it if it is not approved. KudzuVine ( talk) 20:04, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
In trying to find the refnums for sites in Thurston County, Washington, I found four that are problematical that I did locate in FOCUS/NRIS or the Elkman inbox generator. Again, I found the refnums in National Register of Historic Places.com. The places are: 1) Allen-Beals House, refnum = 99000438, Elkman's database says it is "Pending/listed;" 2) Donald Building, refnum = 87002646, Elkman's database says it is "Owner objection;" 3) Hotel Olympian, refnum = 87002647, Elkman's database says it is "Owner objection;" and 4) Kearney House-YWCA Clubhouse, refnum = 99000439, Elkman's database says it is "Pending/listed." If this is true, they are not (yet) listed. I tried to them in the WISAARD state tool. I found Allen-Beals House and Donald Building on their map, but could not find any more information. Perhaps, someone more skilled can figure it out. If they are not on the Register, the Owner objection places could be put in separate category as was done for Delaware & Hudson Railroad Depot - Ticonderoga in National Register of Historic Places listings in Essex County, New York by User:Sanfranman59 for the above item. But what do we do with Pending/listed? KudzuVine ( talk) 23:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
I am editing the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture, a library listed in the National Register of Historic Places. Which navbox should I use? 66.234.33.8 ( talk) 23:38, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone - I recently put up a featured list nomination for List of National Historic Landmarks in Michigan (the review can be found at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of National Historic Landmarks in Michigan/archive1). As part of the review, a user who works with accessibility issues has pointed out that standard colors used as differentiators in NRHP/NHL listings (detailed at Wikipedia:NRHP colors legend) do not meet accessibility guidelines. Here's the exact quote from this reviewer:
I am not going to change this list to be out of sync with the rest of the lists, but I am hoping that as a project something can be done to bring the colors into standard with accessibility guidelines, so that all of the lists curated by the project meet the guidelines. Thanks, Dana boomer ( talk) 20:33, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
In going through the removals from the NRHP, I have come across a listing that I'm not sure about. The S.S. John W. Brown is currently listed in the Baltimore listings with Ref#97001295. On the Same day listing, There is also a removal listing for the John W. Brown at Newport News for ref#85000399. I'm assuming these are the same object, but want to double-check with everyone else. 25or6to4 ( talk) 13:30, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Interesting article from the New York Times yesterday on the efforts to preserve, and possibly grant formal status of some kind to, the Apollo landing sites on the moon.
I've often wondered about this myself. I don't think anyone would disagree that the Apollo 11 site meets all the criteria for NHL status, but apparently the NPS rebuffed efforts by students at New Mexico State to do so (apparently the concern is that it might violate the Outer Space Treaty's provision that no nation claims sovereignty over any portion of the moon or any other celestial body. It seems like it would be eligible for World Heritage Site status as well, but apparently UNESCO only lets nations list sites within their own borders (even in sort of fudgy cases like Jerusalem Old City and its walls, which was proposed by Jordan, and was within borders Jordan was still claiming at the time although it had been under Israeli administration for a dozen years or so (and still is)).
But, that hasn't stopped California and New Mexico from listing Tranquility Base in their state-level registers. Apparently all they need is some connection to the state (Texas can't, as theirs is limited to the state itself). And NASA itself, which normally doesn't do much to preserve its history (as any look through our articles on certain space-related NHLs such as Neutral Buoyancy Space Simulator will attest) is actually getting interested. They have to balance the preservation interest with their own impulse should we/when we return to the moon to collect some of the objects and see how well the material has held up ( Apollo 12 was purposely landed near one of the Surveyors for exactly this reason). So for the time being NASA has asked that any visitors to the moon, human or robotic, keep at least 75 meters (246 ft) from all the Apollo sites save Apollo 17, where a 225-meter (738 ft) limit is requested due to the tracks Eugene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt left in their lunar rover. This was apparently prompted by the Google Lunar X Prize, which offers a $1 million bonus to a team that gets its spacecraft to a historic site on the moon (See here for the controversy).
This is an interesting issue in preservation given that we, as a species, have now put landing craft on practically every inner planet (we did land one on Mercury, didn't we?) and now some of the moons of the outer planets. And I would imagine free spacecraft would qualify as well, if not Pioneer 10 (first outer-planet probe; first manmade object to leave the solar system) and Voyager 1 (farthest man-made object from Earth). Since we're not the only country to have done this, I think this should be addressed at the UN level. Daniel Case ( talk) 20:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Category:Stubs at this moment (may not be the same when you look) contains 49 items all or most of which are minimal stubs for NRHP places. In each case the stub provides less information than the county listing (compare: Joseph Mandl House "is a house located in Jerome, Idaho listed on the National Register of Historic Places." to the list at National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Jerome_County,_Idaho which includes date of listing, street address and geog coordinates.
Such stubs seem to be positively unhelpful, and I suggest that they should be made into redirects to the listings unless there is any prospect of them being expanded in the immediate future. Pam D 10:13, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please look at and vet List of Masonic buildings in the United States, both entries and linked articles? There are a lot of stubs, small articles, etc., that to me only seem to speak to existence rather than notability, but I don't know enough about buildings and architecture to know what features would make a building's style notable. If they could stand to be prodded or AfDed, I can do that, but I need to know which articles I can do that with, and which are OK as they are. MSJapan ( talk) 21:24, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Forwarding this - discussion in next section
Early registration is only $35 for 3 days for Wikimedia contributors
which includes lunch and lots of extras, but not hotels of course. Smallbones ( talk) 22:08, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
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Hopefully this won't degenerate it another project-wide conflict, but this could affect the disambiguation policy here. I've requested a move of Horseshoe Curve (Altoona, Pennsylvania) to Horseshoe Curve (Pennsylvania). The discussion can be found here. Niagara Don't give up the ship 20:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Nytend and I were discussing this on my talkpage. This template creates a link to a NPS site. However the site does not itself contain any info on a NRHP. Because of this I was removing them (being unknowing that is) and I'm sure I'm not the only one that has been confused by this. It is searchable and has a downloadable database. NRISref uses a date format I detest (though I know it's one of the acceptable standards). Is there a way to change it? Template documentation is mute on this...to be more explicit, the Template:NRISref displays dates as YYYY-MM-DD. Is there are way to make it display in this format January 22, 2012? Also the date it displays is the database version date and it doesn't display a retrieved date at all. These sorts of issues are a big deal at GA and FA and somewhat at DYK, ie, date format consistency and referenced sites that do not themselves have any info on the topic. If these can't be changed I might just put the info in cite web format. Tks. PumpkinSky talk 11:01, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
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parameter. Setting it to "dmy" gives 23 January 2012, "mdy" gives January 23, 2012, and both "ymd" and "iso" give the default 2012-01-23.--
Dudemanfellabra (
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14:57, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
A botmaster named "Multichill" is going through and deleting multiple HABS sub-categories on Wikimedia Commons, and replacing them with a generic "Historic buildings" category. Does anyone know if there was a discussion on this? Bms4880 ( talk) 19:30, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
User:Multichill has proposed above a new system for setting up our (county) tables. It sounds good (so far), but I'm concerned that not everybody understands the change and what it might mean. Also, I'm not sure that Multichill has a complete understanding of what we want from our tables, and some of the quirks that we might have.
I ask everybody concerned with our tables (that's everybody here isn't it?) to join in and help describe what we want and need from our tables. But first I'll just copy some of the advantages he has stated above. Smallbones ( talk) 04:00, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
What we need, quirks, and questions
I'm sure there are other questions and quirks. It wouldn't be fair to Multichill to expect him to know all of these unless we tell him, so please add on! Smallbones ( talk) 04:00, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Maps! Ooh, bots and other automatic processes making more maps! Maps of kinds of places. Maps of photographed places. Local maps of photos wanted! Ooh, I want maps, especially on my smartphone when wandering in unfamiliar neighborhoods seeking unphotographed treasures. Yes, the coordinates in Wikpedia are objective, while most coordinates in Commons are POV, all for good reasons, but most photos have no coordinates. Presumably the automated coords would be placed low in the Commons, photo page so other bots would give priority to other coords in case of conflict. And of course they must say they are of objects and not where the camera sat.
Yes, automatons often apply categories stupidly in Commons but usually those are more easily found and corrected than pictures escaping notice due to undercategorization. So yes, I hope a way can be found to go forward with this project, not so hastily as to spread great confusion (for example by unwise categorization within templates) but without unreasonable delay. Jim.henderson ( talk) 22:02, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I went ahead and converted part of the lists. On the first pass the bot converted the list in a template based format and tried to extract the reference number from the linked article. For the second pass I downloaded the full NRHP database and converted it to Mysql (the source is MS access). I imported this database at the toolserver (p_erfgoed_nrhp_p for anyone who has an account). In the second pass the bot tried to find reference numbers. For each item I use the state, county and date to find one or more items. If either the address or the name match exactly the number is added. This worked quite well. Some numbers:
The gap between 40874 and 40789 can be explained by the fact that the NRHP database seems to be a bit outdated (all items which are in the big monuments database, but not in the NRHP one are recent). Some nice things:
All updated on a daily basis (each night UTC). multichill ( talk) 22:37, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I noticed errors implemented by the Botmultichill bot in changing the presentation of "Formerly listed" sites. In this edit for Downtown Davenport and this edit for North Dakota, there were incorrect changes of the displayed text from "Delisted Date" to "Listed Date", for the section of Formerly listed properties. That's an error, to completely change the meaning to the opposite of what is factual. Multichill, notified, has commented that there is code in the bot to seek to avoid such errors. Multichill, could you please comment on how your bot seeks to address these cases (searching on what string, etc.)? Perhaps the "Formerly listed" sections are coded with different titles or otherwise are not uniform enough, across pages, for your coding stratgegy to work. Can you provide one or more examples where your bot did transform them into something correct? In particular, do you have a different row-template that you seek to put in for these rows?
Perhaps a manual editing campaign is needed to search the set of NRHP list-articles for instances of "Formerly listed" or similar phrases, or use of "NRHP-delisted color" template. "What links here" applied to the use of "NRHP-delisted_color" template yields 50 or more NRHP list articles that probably all have Formerly Listed sections, by the way. Would we need to visit all those manually?
I do in general admire Multichill's effort to transform NRHP list-tables into versions that are more easily translated into other language wikipedias. Has anyone else noticed this problem for formerly listed subtables, though? -- do ncr am 19:20, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
The bot made an edit to National Register of Historic Places listings in Lowell, Massachusetts, attempting to change a single row in the table to use {{ NRHP row}}. A number of things were broken in the edit (multichill, please look at how it botched the citation). Note that this article's table does not have a "city" or "neighborhood" column (a feature other sublist articles I know of share), so the whole table would have to be converted to avoid breaking formatting. Magic ♪piano 14:40, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I've come across a couple tables now where the bot didn't convert NHS listings to the new NRHP row template format. Is that intentional Multichill? The process that I use for renumbering rows in long tables requires each listing to have the same number of row elements. If a row or two in the table are formatted the old way while all of the other rows are formatted the new way, my system doesn't work very well. Is there some reason that we shouldn't be using the new row template for type=NRHP and type=HD? -- sanfranman59 ( talk) 00:26, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
(moved from separate discussion item "Table help")
Can someone remove the number column I don't see a point and the "neighborhood" column, they are all Davenport now on here CTJF83 22:00, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
On National Register of Historic Places listings in Orleans County, New York, there were two issues related to the listing date field (I had, last fall, been working on developing this for a possible FLC, so I'm, uh, a little interested in seeing this resolved).
Since I feel that any of these lists we put up for FLC, should someone decide to do so, will need to have the dates of listing cited (and it's easy to do so), this should be resolved.
Also in that vein, I had added alt text to the images that has also been stripped out. I think I can add a field to {{ NRHP row}} that would allow them to be restored, but if someone else who's better at template fixes than I am can do so, all the better. Daniel Case ( talk) 01:15, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I could use some (bot assisted) help with Category:NRHP list missing county. Every listing contains the county. This is used to find the right refnum and for the statistics. I already added a lot of counties myself. This is the strategy:
replace.py -lang:en -regex "\|county=\s*\r\n" "|county=[[Middlesex County, Connecticut]]\n" -namespace:0 -page:National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Middletown,_Connecticut
multichill ( talk) 21:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Boundaries of historic districts change every once in a while. How to handle these?
Opinions please. multichill ( talk) 21:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Oregon is definitely the state causing me the most problems. Everything is different in Oregon (compared to the other states). I keep a list at User:Multichill/NRHP to skip#Oregon. If somebody could help with these that would be nice. Some of the problems:
multichill ( talk) 21:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
I converted some more lists. We now have almost 70.000 items with a reference number. Some statistics:
I made a list of items not yet in our lists. This can be used to shorten Category:NRHP list missing refnum. We could probably use some tooling for that. Doing this manually is an awful lot of work. multichill ( talk) 21:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Based on the input I got I improved the header and the row templates. For the header I added the "nocity" field to hide the city column. For the row template I did several changes:
For an example without the city and some extra fields set, see User:Multichill/sandbox. What do you think? Do you like it? Did I miss something? multichill ( talk) 20:25, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for improving the templates, but further improvement is needed. In particular, it doesn't make sense to go on with tables that require tedious manual re-numbering of the listed items. It doesn't make sense to propagate that system on to Wikipedias of other languages; it doesn't make sense to keep doing it here. When, I am pretty sure (because there are smart programmers around), it would be feasible for the header and row templates to take care of it. In particular, I saw a "nocity" solution by User:Aude before which nested his/her version of the row templates within the header template. That worked to allow for the suppression of the city/neighborhood column without requiring "nocity=1" to be added to every single row of a table. I think it would also work to allow for a program to count the rows. This would be a big gain for us in the English wikipedia NRHP project, an unexpected payoff from the templatizing initiative. -- do ncr am 16:35, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Puerto Rico has complexities, more so than Oregon, because Puerto Rico does not have counties. Editor Mercy11 was raising some issues. I'm trying some edits at National Register of Historic Places listings in western Puerto Rico. Please discuss Puerto Rico complications here. -- do ncr am 21:46, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
{{
NRHP header|city=[[Barrios of Puerto Rico|Barrio]]}}
No, I don't think you missed anything. Just one question though: Is your intention to go ahead and modify the headers for all the other remaining municipalities??? If it is, I would advise against that for now. I think the change to include "Barrio" in place of "city/town" at the column header would need to be done piece-meal. (I supplied all the barrios for the Ponce municipality because I am familiar with the exact location of all the features in that municipality, but I don't know the barrio locations of all the other municipalities.) I suggest we leave them showing "city/town" in the column header and, since we now have the proper header template format (via the new Ponce listing), it can be used as an example to change each municipality as each one's full set of barrio locations are obtained. This is my suggestion on this. Regards, Mercy11 ( talk) 14:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
I just realized how the refnums are constructed. Yeah, I know, I'm a genius. :) The first two digits are the year of listing. Example: 88001822 was listed 1988-09-08. I guess the last digits are the order of listing in that year. Though if it's listed in January, sometimes the first two digits are the year previous. Thought this info would be good to have on record for the refnum project, doncha know. :) --‖ Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 17:02, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
In a week we had quite some progress:
That's partly because I improved a bot, but mostly due to the combined hard work of several users. Thank you for that! If we keep this up we should be done in January. multichill ( talk) 10:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
So we're (almost) done adding a reference number to every listing. I know that some lists contain mistakes because this list is still rather large. I did some queries to hunt down this errors:
I hope you guys want to help solve these puzzles. And by the way: For the people who wonder how I make these lists, just replace the .txt with .sql to see the query. Multichill ( talk) 12:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Am I the only person who has been sorting out NRHP pics in specific counties and cities that are in the commons? I found close to 200 that have been incorrectly placed in the National Register of Historic Places by county meta-category, that I can't keep up with all the counties and states they belong in. I've created scores of NRHP by county categories for nearly a third of the states, and there are still tons that need to be done. And furthermore, why can't the National Register of Historic Places in Louisiana by parish category be linked with all the other NRHP in Foo state by county categories? ---- DanTD ( talk) 03:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
(unindent) I do this type of work periodically over at Commons. The last couple of weeks, I've been focusing my efforts on images of NRHP in Oregon. Right now, I'm working my way through about 150 images that were put in Category:National Register of Historic Places in Oregon rather than in the proper county category. While I'm at it, I'm adding other relevant categories related to the type of structure (house, church, hotel, etc.) and year of construction. If you're not aware of it, the Oregon Parks and Rec Dept has an incredibly useful search-able online database that has virtually all of their NRHP nomination forms (complete with photos). I just wish that my state of residence had such an amazing resource. Given the dismal fiscal condition of this state, I'm not holding my breath that anything such thing is in the offing. -- sanfranman59 ( talk) 20:29, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
In working through the backlog of NRHP pages needing NRHP infoboxes, I have a question about schools in general. My current school is Archmere Academy. Without reading the NRHP documents, I have no idea if the building in question is related to the current page that discusses the school. Archmere Academy is probably not the best example because it could easily refer to a specific building. Elkman infobox generator lists a site called "Archmere" and gives the name "The Patio," as an "other name." "The Patio" is mentioned in the actual Archmere Academy webpage. But in general, school buildings on the NRHP have become a lower-level school, e.g. high schools become middle school, or apartment buildings, condominiums, opera houses, etc. The page that refers to the existing school only shares the name. It may be in a different locaton. What should we do about the infobox? It does not seem right to put the NRHP infobox on a page that may or may not be the NRHP site? Schools are not the only type. Courthouses, and other buildings get repurposed and the original tenant moves elsewhere. KudzuVine ( talk) 01:15, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm somewhat familiar with Archmere Academy and agree that the article is a mess. The photo there is not really the building of interest, but the nomination http://pdfhost.focus.nps.gov/docs/NRHP/Text/92001143.pdf (for "Archmere") includes the 36 acres around the "Patio" an Italian Renaissance Florentine courtyard with white limestone Corinthian columns (pretty different than the photo!). I'm pretty sure that the newer Academy buildings are separate from the Patio, but built around it or nearby. BTW schools, especially on large campuses can be especially difficult to photograph - they don't like strangers with strange stories about Wikipedia who might perhaps photograph the kids. I might suggest a separate article with a creative name - perhaps "Patio at Archmere" - but it is a judgement call and one that will be repeated for many schools in similar situations. For conservation of effort - I'll suggest that we NOT separate the articles - unless somebody sees a very good reason and is willing to do the work themselves. The flip side is that once somebody separates the articles, we not spend the effort to argue about whether he/she violated consensus.
I'll try to get there on a weekend (no kids-I hope) and take a photo. I'll also lookup an even more confusing related situation I ran into for comment. Smallbones ( talk) 18:17, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
There are a number of architects and architectual firms on the list of needing NRHP infoboxes. I have started deleting the Wikiproject NRHP templates with the need for the infobox, e.g. Henry L. Blatner, Edwin Fitch, Peter J. Barber, Babb, Cook and Willard, .... Before I go further, I thought I would check if people object. I can restore these if the consensus is the need for an NRHP infobox, but then someone needs to show how the infobox is to be used for an architect as the principal subject.
Similarly, there are a few MPS and thematic resources on the list, e.g. American Indian Rock Art in Minnesota MPS, Apartments and Flats of Downtown Indianapolis Thematic Resources, tthat indicate the need for an NRHP infobox. Although these are often directly related to one or more NRHPs, I cannot see how we fill out an NRHP infobox.
Your thoughts please. KudzuVine ( talk) 01:09, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:NRHP history will have interest in putting on events related to women's history related to NHRP places. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch ( talk) 19:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I'll suggest that WP:NRHP get a panel discussion together for Wikimania of about 70 minutes, and make a submission by March 18.
It should probably be very basic is some aspects for newbies, and could probably relate to Washington DC as well. Perhaps 4 speakers - addressing issues that are dear to their own hearts, but probably along the lines of photos, article write-ups, data availability, project organization. We could also try to recruit somebody from the NPS, HABS, or NRHP to come to talk with us. There might even be a possibility that we could do something at one of their sites, e.g. they could invite us to their offices, present several people, and then we do something that the GLAM folks call on editathon.
I'd guess most people on the East Coast and the Midwest could get to DC pretty easily and it would be good to actually meet the people I only know by their usernames.
Could we get some sort of indication of how interested you are and how you might want to participate? e.g.
On today's new listings, Trujillo Homestead in Alamosa County, Colorado has been designated an NHL due to its ties to New Spain (something no doubt dear to our current Secretary of the Interior, who also does). This is the first of the most recent batch of listings I mentioned last month to get the nod.
I have updated the entry in both the county NRHP list and Colorado's NHL list, but we still don't have an actual article. Daniel Case ( talk) 23:43, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I've just finished a run through Arizona, in the course of which I took a hatful of photos in Pima, Santa Cruz, and Cochise counties. I'm now in the process of editing and uploading them to Commons, but am running into difficulties.
Does anyone know if there's a place where I can find nom forms, or at least photos and/or descriptions, of NRHP sites in Arizona? Santa Cruz County is presenting some very large problems, since the city of Nogales, Arizona has apparently changed its house numbering system somewhat recently, and most of the addresses under which properties were nominated are now wrong or even nonexistent. I shot several buildings that were on the right streets and that "looked historical", but I'd need to confirm them with photos from nom forms, historical-society websites, or the like. Similar situation in Willcox (Cochise County), where one address was apparently nonexistent. I shot a house on the hypothesis that someone had accidentally hit a key twice in entering the address, but I'm not going to post the photos and call it an NRHP site without some verification. In any case, I'd like some confirmation beyond the bare addresses, since we all know that the NPS database isn't altogether error-free.
Would appreciate advice on this from a Southern Arizona authority. Thanks. Ammodramus ( talk) 14:21, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, the article
Lutheran Theological Seminary at Gettysburg has two infoboxes, one being {{
Infobox NRHP}}
. Could somebody please examine this article, and determine whether the NRHP can fairly be embedded into the main infobox? It's unclear to me as to whether they refer to the same building, or a different one. Whilst doing this, please eliminate one set of coordinates from the title, because there are two overlapping sets there, and since they are different, both are illegible. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
22:14, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
|embed=yes
in {{
Infobox NRHP}}
so that two infoboxes give the appearance of just one. I respectfully decline the invitation of Smallbones to re-do the article, because I have nothing in the way of sources for this establishment. My main concern was the illegibility of the coordinates at upper right -
see here - which I had noticed because the extra set of coordinates was causing the article to show in
this report, item 8. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
13:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
The planning is starting for Wiki Loves Monuments in the U.S at Commons:Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 in the United States and its talk page. The "Photo Contest" will run for the month of September with any picture uploaded during September being entered (as planned now). There are a lot of "new folks" involved, which is probably the main point - this is meant to help bring in new editors and photographers just as much as it is meant to bring in new photos of sites.
Help from experienced hands will of course be a key to success. Please stop by and get to know the page and the project - with lots of new people and photos coming in you'll likely have to do it sooner or later!
Would anybody like to suggest goals - numeric or otherwise? Or possible contests/challenges? Do you know of anybody who might want to offer prizes?
Now is the time to get involved.
As always,
Smallbones ( talk) 01:35, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
This is a technical proposal, not a policy proposal — it's comparable to how we "require" refnums in our lists to ensure that lists don't end up in Category:NRHP list missing refnum. What do all of you think of requiring every entry to have coordinates or end up in Category:NRHP list missing coordinates? I'd suggest a single exception: we could use a parameter such as "unavailable" for cases in which NRIS doesn't provide coords and we can't figure them out from the address; this could encompass both address-restricted sites and sites where the location simply isn't clear enough. For an example of the latter situation, see the Dr. John Parson Cabin Complex in Daggett County, Utah, which has the wonderfully precise location of "Southwest of Bridgeport". Nyttend ( talk) 02:55, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
|coord_display=inline
.--
Dudemanfellabra (
talk)
14:56, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Here are some other problems that I have had. Maybe someone knows a work-around.
{{convert|1|mi|km}}
won't work, but {{convert|1|mi|km|1}}
will work correctly and show 1 decimal point: 1 mile (1.6 km).|nrhp=
parameter and put the NRHP infobox in that, like the one in {{
Infobox windmill}} (although this is not a non-standardized infobox.|nrhp=
parameter which is coded into the windmill infobox itself. This is kind of a poor example because the parameter isn't really needed for the windmill infobox since it only has two columns. For infoboxes with more than two columns, though, the parameter must be added in to the code of the infobox itself manually like it has been added into the windmill infobox.--
Dudemanfellabra (
talk)
04:02, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
{{
infobox windmill}}
template has the |nrhp=
parameter added
in this manner. Essentially, this takes the content of the |nrhp=
parameter, wraps it in a table the full width of the infobox, and displays it as if it were a single row in the infobox. Then you can have something like this in an article:{{infobox windmill |name=Foo Mill ... |nrhp={{infobox NRHP |embed=yes ... }} }}
On New York's latest list of nominations to consider for submission to the NPS at the Historic Preservation Board's next meeting in a couple of weeks, there's the [2] John Martinus Larawy Inn in ... Prattsville. Yes, the same small town that was almost washed away by the flooding after Hurricane Irene at the end of last summer.
The nomination does acknowledge this:
On August 28-29, 2011 the house was inundated by several feet of water caused by the catastrophic
flooding associated with Hurricane Irene and Tropical Storm Lee. Buildings to the south and west of the inn were completely destroyed by the flood waters and all surviving structures in the community sustained significant damage. As a result of this event the first floor of the inn was completely destroyed. All walls were stripped to the structural members to allow for reconstruction of electrical wiring and to remove mold growth.
Although the building’s first floor has lost its finishes the original center hall flanking room plan as well as several Greek Revival window architraves and the finely detailed stair remain intact.
Emphasis mine. I am a little concerned that that group is a way of acknowledging that some other listed properties in Prattsville did not survive. Certainly Prattsville Commercial Building, built into the Schoharie Creek's east bank, would face tough odds. You can see some photos of the damage as it affects the nominated building in the nom. And other photos in this stream at Flickr show you Prattsville as it was in October.
Google, and by extension ACME Mapper, is now using post-storm satellite photos for the area. Based on where the map shows it as being, the Commercial Building may have been the only one there to have survived.
The Prattsville Reformed Dutch Church looks safe ... it was in the downtown section where the flooding wasn't as bad. As is the Zadock Pratt House.
I still haven't been up there since the shortest route there from where I live still has a bridge out. But when I can I'll report back. Daniel Case ( talk) 06:45, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I have nominated Canterbury Castle (Portland, Oregon) for Good status. Feel free to look over the article, make sure it meets WikiProject NRHP preferences, formatting, etc. Hopefully images will become available very soon to add to the article (a fellow WikiProject Oregon member has contacted a Flickr contributor for permission). Looking forward to working on additional NRHP sites soon. -- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:16, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Haymarket affair, which is listed as part of this WikiProject, has been nominated for a community reassessment to determine if it meets the good article criteria and so can be listed as a good article. Please add comments to the article reassessment page. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 19:50, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
John of Reading has updated {{
NRHP row}} with an override for the coordinates missing; simply add |nolatlon=true
to prevent the category from being appended to an entry where we can't add the coords. I suspect that this will allow us to remove lots of pages from the coords-missing category. Down the road, if you find coordinates for a nolatlon=yes site (e.g. NRIS lacks coords and the address is vague, but the nomination form tells you precisely where it is), please remember to remove the nolatlon=yes parameter, so that we can notice if the coords get vandalised or mangled by accident.
Nyttend (
talk)
03:50, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Can someone look at this page and fix? I see only the listings to Shaarai Torah Synagogue, after which there appears to be an error which I can't find.....Thanks in advance..... Pvmoutside ( talk) 21:43, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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Detroit is doing the same thing. That seems problematic. Andrew Jameson ( talk) 09:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
{{lc:}}
there are also a {{#ifeq:}}
and a {{#if:}}
which each contribute. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
20:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Looks like whoever wrote the BotMultichill bot has an error in code somewhere since it appears that is causing the New Castle DE problems (Dec 8, 2011). The Worcester listing was messed up in the same way, so I went back to the listing before the bot was used, and then restored anything worthwhile after. Only solution I could think of at the time........Splitting the list will require a little bit of thought...... Pvmoutside ( talk) 20:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I split National Register of Historic Places listings in southern New Castle County, Delaware from National Register of Historic Places listings in New Castle County, Delaware, not quite done yet (and Mon-Weds I'll be out of touch), but I hope to finish it tomorrow. Smallbones ( talk) 04:59, 4 March 2012 (UTC) finished Smallbones ( talk) 23:23, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Listed in the NRHP is Nogales High School in Nogales, Arizona. There's a Nogales High School (Nogales, Arizona) article, wikilinked on National Register of Historic Places listings in Santa Cruz County, Arizona, but it's a one-sentence stub with school infobox about the current high school, which is not located in the historic building. How should we handle this situation? Should we create a new redlink for the historic school in the NRHP-in-SC-Co list; and if so, under what name? Leave the current link, on the assumption that someone, someday, will put material on the historic building in the article about the current school? For now, I've illustrated the Santa Cruz Co. list article, but not the article about the modern school. Ammodramus ( talk) 01:28, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi: You might be interested to know there is a discussion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_March_2#Template:Infobox_architect about the architect template.-- Pubdog ( talk) 23:02, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I just noticed that File:We Can Do It!.jpg is associated with Rosie the Riveter/World War II Home Front National Historical Park by having a NRHP site number on the image file. It looks iffy to me - the original image seems to have been displayed only in a Westinghouse factory (in Pittsburg?) for a couple of weeks during WWII, rather than at the California site. Not that I'm adament about removing the number, but are there accepted standards about when to label images with NRHP numbers and where to discuss the issues? BTW, is it acceptable to put a single number on multiple images of the same site? Smallbones ( talk) 22:44, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Unique Identifiers has been created in response to the "UID interface to Wikipedia" section currently at WP:VPR. Since the scope includes all groups of articles with unique identifiers, it's relevant here because they would care about NRIS reference numbers. Nyttend ( talk) 14:38, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
I have been looking at NRHP articles that do not have pictures to see which ones I could do. Some of them are however private homes. Are there any guidelines or even laws on publishing to Wikipedia and uploading to Commons pictures of private residence in the USA? -- Traveler100 ( talk) 19:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
I've been confronted about three times while taking pictures for this project. The first was a neighborhood in Yonkers that's a historic district I'm going to be writing about soon. Some woman confronted me from her open window and made it pretty clear she didn't want me around. I took a picture of the houses across the street (not hers) and left. Second time was the Melius-Bentley House, where, in order to get a view of the house over the fence, I didn't hold the camera up but instead climbed the rock ledge across the road. She was OK with me doing it because it was a historic house, but clearly resented the intrusion (it's in an isolated rural area) and I don't feel like going back there anytime soon, although I did get the picture (it's going to be a while before I upload it, at any rate).
Lastly was different ... I went into the lobby of the Suffern, NY, post office, which I'd already photographed from the outside and written the article. But I wanted a picture of the bas-relief described in it. The woman in the teller window told me, after I'd gotten a couple of pictures of it, that I couldn't take pictures there because it was a federal building. Not even if it was paid for with my tax dollars and listed on the National Register of Historic Places, I asked? No, she said, which of course was absurd. She even told me I couldn't take a picture of the outside (which, again, I already had).
She was polite and courteous about it, so I left amiably, but I was planning for several days to write a letter to whoever was in charge of that region of post offices complaining about it (cc'ed to the appropriate people in Congress, of course). I didn't, after I stopped being mad about it.
One place I really would be careful, though, is historic school buildings that are still in use as a school. Do not photograph them while they're in session, if you can absolutely avoid it, even though it's legal to do so. For understandable reasons, people get really emotional where the safety of their children might be threatened, and you don't want to be in that situation. Twice I have been asked why I'm taking pictures of school buildings, and one wasn't even in use anymore. Daniel Case ( talk) 03:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I am new to all this and quite confused, but could someone help me with this problem, I looked up my own home which is on the NRHP and found that someone had photographed the wrong address, and mistakenly listed my house as having been torn down.they posted pictures of my neighbors barns. so the entry is completely wrong. how can I correct this? anyone know? Cookie pierce ( talk) 18:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion, I just spent another wasted two hours trying to upload one picture, and no success, I have no idea what licesing to choose and it keeps deleting everything I type into the form. also wikipedia seems to want me to become a full time member by insisting that i do ten edits etc. I have no interest in getting this involved in this project, I just want to post a couple of pictures of my historic house because whoever posted it originally got it all wrong. Isn't there a easy way of doing this? I am not computer savey, I don't know how to write code this process is too difficult. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookpie ( talk • contribs) 14:56, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm negotiating access to Fort Lesley J. McNair in DC. In common with Fort Myer and Henderson Hall (Arlington, Virginia), the stipulations on photography encourage photography as long as prohibitions on images of gates/entrances, quarters or barracks, motor pools, ammo storage, food prep areas and utility systems are observed. They also want a week's notice, as far as I can tell (I'm still working on clarification). Since some of the quarters and gates are historic in character, that's disappointing, but it's best to have explicit and written permission and a clear statement of limitations on a military installation. Even with permission, it can be difficult: I've been stopped (as in blocked in by police cars on the road) on an installation where I was working and had official, documented permission to do what I was doing: the word had not made it around to security. Acroterion (talk) 02:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
There are two cemeteries: Sleepy Hollow Cemetery and Sleepy Hollow Cemetery, Concord. Both are claimed to be on the NRHP. The one we all know in Sleepy Hollow, New York has refnum = 09000380. The one in Concord, Massachusetts has refnum = 98000991. The New York cemetery also has refnum = 98000991 in National Register of Historic Places listings in Westchester County, New York. The Elkman infobox generator says for New York cemetery that refnum = 09000380 and "This property may not actually be listed on the National Register - listing code is Pending/listed." I have put this information on the county page but am temporarily leaving the actual refnum in the table with the incorrect value. It looks as if the New York cemetery needs to be removed. I marked the Talk page for the New York cemetery as "needs-infobox=no" to get it off the list of articles needing infobox. Unless someone shows that I am incorrect, I will remove the New York cemetery after waiting a week. If someone else wishes to do it sooner, go ahead. KudzuVine ( talk) 23:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/articles, I was surprised to see thirty-eight lists that I had created appear here. Not surprised that some of them showed up — but why only thirty-eight when I created ninety? I've just produced List of Indiana state historical markers, and because all of its county-level sublists them have at least one phrase that appears on User:AlexNewArtBot/NRHP (each one links to the county's NR list), I don't understand why the bot didn't include the other fifty-two. Nyttend ( talk) 14:07, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Two images were fetched to Commons from a Flickr user who uploads NRHP images. I've been waiting for more to show up but none have. Is there a list somewhere to point out Flickr images that are useful to the project? Or are images uploaded by their owner preferred? 71.234.215.133 ( talk) 04:50, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
If you search on Flickr using "NRHP" with the advanced search set to Creative Commons (near bottom of page)
Only search within Creative Commons-licensed content
you get 17,000 some images.
Decided to check the "National Register of Historic Places" group and check the same boxes and I'm being told that Flickr has some hiccups. (Would I lie to you?)
But that group has 111,866 (a tiny minority of which are freely licensed) Smallbones ( talk) 22:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
Cc-by-sa-3.0}}
(more at
Category:Creative Commons copyright templates). --
Redrose64 (
talk)
00:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)Last July I challenged the Project to fully-illustrate the List of RHPs in DC and to get the red-links out of the lists in time for Wikimania in DC this July. There are now 6 sites left to be photographed, one of which mysteriously appears only one weekend each year (May 4&5 this year). There are about 26 red-links left.
With the nice Spring weather, I hope to get 5 of the 6 remaining pix within a couple of weeks, but feel free to beat me to it!
I'll also be at the National Cathedral on Friday, May 4 about 5-6 pm, if not before, snapping horses, zebras, camels, and maybe an elephant or giraffe. If anybody wants to meet me there, I'll buy the first round of brews. (I'll be the handsome guy with the camera). That will leave the red links and article creation - any help appreciated. For a summary of what's needed see Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/unillustrated DC. Thanks (especially to Users Farragutful and SlowKing) Smallbones ( talk) 21:10, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Of the 2300+ pages listed on the on Category:NRISref errors, over half are the NRHP county lists. The problem may in the NRHP header template. Is this a glitch in the header or an unintended problem problem? Or does each of the pages have to corrected manually? If that is the case, what needs to be done? KudzuVine ( talk) 12:22, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
As mentioned above, I found some discrepancies in various NHL counts. There is one I've not been able to explain: in Alaska, the Old Sitka Site is listed in Focus (#66000166) as an NHL, and is found on Alaska's NHL list. However it is not in NHL database search results for Sitka. Magic ♪piano 14:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
As I am running through the old delistings trying to do some cleanup, I ran into an odd listing. On the weekly listing for January 14, 2000, there is a delisting for the K.G. McRae House in Hempstead County, Arkansas (second line), originally listed in 1976. On closer inspection, the line above it also lists new addition for a McRae House, with a listed date of 1982, a full 18 years later! What I can't figure out is if these two sites are the same building with a relocation, the delisted entry was in fact a duplication of the first one, or if they're entirely separate facilities. Any thoughts? 25or6to4 ( talk) 16:02, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
For those that like to keep ahead, there are two weeks of pending listings available at:
I'm not sure why the links aren't on the nps site itself yet. At least I know now why the March 10, 2012 link hasn't worked for the last 2 weeks. The page was named for March 9! Which makes more sense since that's a Friday. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Border Town ‖ 17:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
In crosschecking counts in List of U.S. National Historic Landmarks by state against the March NHL list, I noticed some new listings. They are apparently all described in this press release, which lists 13 new NHLs. Articles for some of them have been marked, but not all NHL lists and counts have been updated. (I coordinated the counts from some state lists with that list, but still have discrepant counts to resolve that are not explained by the addition of new listings.) Please exercise caution in adding one to list counts... Magic ♪piano 04:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Now that we've gotten ourselves out from under last Friday's huge, unexpected but welcome dump of new NHLs, there are also 12 new noms under consideration. As I have been trying to do, here's what's coming and what we have:
Also, Hamilton Grange in Manhattan will get updated documentation and a boundary change.
Interesting bunch. Glad to see we'll get more in NY. Interesting bit with the covered bridges ... are they trying to make up for the destruction of the Old Blenheim Bridge in Hurricane Irene last year. Daniel Case ( talk) 00:06, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I just want to throw out an Idea/question for the NRHP infobox. I have been trying to make an infobox for an historic district that shows all the buildings in a mini format not just a map. Kinda like how {{{Infobox ethnic group}}} example of the infobox on Korean American has multiple images kinda like this one of St. Louis, Missouri. The problem is when I add the images the words come up "[[file:" and so on, the example is on User:Pwojdacz/sandbox. Is there a way to add multiple images for specifically in a historic districts besides making/uploading a collage image. If there is a consensus I would be glad to offer assistance on this. Pwojdacz ( talk) 23:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
|HDimage1=
, |HDimage2=
, etc. This would work kind of like the |district_map=
parameter we already have.. when an editor sets something to district_map, the regular location map is suppressed. We could make it so that HDimagen suppresses the regular image display and puts a collage there. I could work up something in the
infobox sandbox if there's enough interest.--
Dudemanfellabra (
talk)
02:26, 31 March 2012 (UTC)I've just spent about an hour or two trying to clean up our "Editor help" page to make it not look like a data dump. In doing so, I overhauled the state-level resources found on that page to be navigable via table instead of having to scroll. Changing that also reduced the size of the TOC substantially. I also removed two (IMO horribly formatted) pages that were transcluded there – Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/ProgressOnRHPsByState and Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/ProgressOnNHLsByState – both of which show "progress" we've made creating articles. They say they're manually updated, but the NRHP one hasn't been edited since July 2010, and only recently has User:Magicpiano found the NHL one (before which it hadn't been edited since 2010 either).
I don't think they need to be on the Editor help page regardless, but they are still linked from the main project page, down at the bottom under Miscellaneous links. My question to the project is this: Should we keep these pages around and actively display them? I'm not suggesting deleting them (although I wouldn't oppose it), but at least we could remove them from the front page if they're not very active. If we do decide to keep them, I think the formatting (especially those deplorable dashed, colored borders) should be changed, and they just need a thorough cleaning/update. Anyone else have an opinion on the matter? If no one objects, I'll go ahead and remove them from the front page.-- Dudemanfellabra ( talk) 20:21, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
I just created WP:NRHPFAQ and linked it on the project page. Included are a list of some of the most common questions I see come up here. If anyone has any questions they would like to add, feel free. I've also placed a move request on Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Editor help to move it to Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Resources since that's a more reflective title.
On the FAQ list, I've included all the NRIS codes (DR, LI, BI, etc.) and a brief explanation of them. Some of the codes, however, I didn't know how to explain, so I left a (Explanation needed) beside them. If anyone knows the exact use of these codes, please fill them in. Thanks!-- Dudemanfellabra ( talk) 17:22, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Would you please take a look at Talk:Petroglyph Point Archeological Site see if the article fits into the NRHP project and if the importance scale is appropriate? Thank you ... -- Bobjgalindo ( talk) 23:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I added (and continue adding) a number of photos to the lists, and I somehow discovered that in many cases the coordinates are plain wrong, meaning they point out to a different (often arbitrary) location. My example from today was this, but generally I have seen many such examples (specifically, I worked on Riverside and Santa Barbara Counties, CA, Clark County, NV, and I noticed some discrepancies when looking at the list of Essex County, MA). I may have more examples after my visit to New England over the weekend. Is is a systemic problem, or am I just unlucky with choosing objects someone made typos in? What was the origin of the coordinates in the lists? Should smth be done about them?-- Ymblanter ( talk) 17:36, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone! I just wanted to follow up with your project and see if any article creations or improvements took place in regards to Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month! If so, it'd be great if you could please post your article outcomes on the..you guessed it...WWHM outcome page! Thanks everyone for all your efforts! Sarah ( talk) 20:54, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_National Register of Historic_Places/Style guide#NRIS_reference lists a citation format for NRIS listings which points them all to http://www.nr.nps.gov/ - a broken link. Even when that site was working at that URL, there was no means to link directly to one specific record in the manner (for instance) that the radio/TV station query templates use.
I'd raised the issue on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/U.S._Route_66#National_Register_of_Historic_Places_database.3F after being blasted on WP:RS grounds for attempting to use a third-party website instead of NPS directly for an NRHS-listed US route 66 restored motel but it seems we have many existing articles sourced to "nr.nps.gov [dead link]" which are at least as problematic in that anything created per the style guide is going to [dead link] on the first reference listed (as this gets hit right away, in the infobox for the page).
Perhaps something like the broadcast template {{ tvq}}: [http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call={{{1}}} Query the FCC's TV station database for {{{1}}}] should be created with {{nris}}: [http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov NRHP reference #{{{1}}}] on the [[National Register of Historic Places]]
The parameter would be for display only, at least until such time as the NPS ever creates something to which we can link for one record directly, but a standardised template would mean that any change to the URL (ie: nr.nps.gov → nrhp.focus.nps.gov) would only require one edit (to a template) instead of breaking links on every article for every site on the entire National Register. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 18:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
|refnum=
thing, the NRIS database does not allow one to point directly to an individual entry in the database. The refnum parameter would do nothing for that template. That's one of the reasons why the NRIS is occasionally disliked by the community at large.--
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04:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)Think this is under our scope? If so, how should I assess its importance? I put an {{ advertisement}} tag on it because it sounds like it's ripped straight from some pamphlet (though I couldn't find any obvious copyvio). What do you guys think?-- Dudemanfellabra ( talk) 15:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_National Register of Historic_Places/Style guide#NRIS_reference lists a citation format for NRIS listings which points them all to http://www.nr.nps.gov/ - a broken link. Even when that site was working at that URL, there was no means to link directly to one specific record in the manner (for instance) that the radio/TV station query templates use.
I'd raised the issue on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/U.S._Route_66#National_Register_of_Historic_Places_database.3F after being blasted on WP:RS grounds for attempting to use a third-party website instead of NPS directly for an NRHS-listed US route 66 restored motel but it seems we have many existing articles sourced to "nr.nps.gov [dead link]" which are at least as problematic in that anything created per the style guide is going to [dead link] on the first reference listed (as this gets hit right away, in the infobox for the page).
Perhaps something like the broadcast template {{ tvq}}: [http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call={{{1}}} Query the FCC's TV station database for {{{1}}}] should be created with {{nris}}: [http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov NRHP reference #{{{1}}}] on the [[National Register of Historic Places]]
The parameter would be for display only, at least until such time as the NPS ever creates something to which we can link for one record directly, but a standardised template would mean that any change to the URL (ie: nr.nps.gov → nrhp.focus.nps.gov) would only require one edit (to a template) instead of breaking links on every article for every site on the entire National Register. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 18:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
|refnum=
thing, the NRIS database does not allow one to point directly to an individual entry in the database. The refnum parameter would do nothing for that template. That's one of the reasons why the NRIS is occasionally disliked by the community at large.--
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04:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)Think this is under our scope? If so, how should I assess its importance? I put an {{ advertisement}} tag on it because it sounds like it's ripped straight from some pamphlet (though I couldn't find any obvious copyvio). What do you guys think?-- Dudemanfellabra ( talk) 15:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
This weekend, I created two state-specific template categories for NRHP articles; One for North Dakota, and one for Arkansas. Unfortunatley, I don't think they'd qualify New articles and pictures chapter. Am I wrong? ---- DanTD ( talk) 22:19, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
This page appears to be exceeding the template limit (see the bottom of the page). If the rest of Louisville was moved to its own page, that should fix the issue. Should anyone be feeling ambitious... :) --‖ Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 17:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Having recently been working on some NHL lists, I had occasion to read the failed FLC nomination for the New York NHL list. A specific objection was raised concerning the inclusion of non-NHL park service areas as a separate table of entries, and the nomination was seemingly failed in part for this reason. (I note that the featured Indiana list excludes a separate section, which would contain George Rogers Clark National Historical Park, and the featured Michigan list entire fails to mention Keweenaw National Historical Park, the only historical NPS unit in Michigan. Alabama, whose NHL list is also featured, has no historic NPS units.)
I then came across the following observation: When the NHL registry was established in 1960, Interior policy was established that park service units were not per se eligible for inclusion in the NHL registry. (Those with JSTOR access can read the relevant detail at JSTOR 10.1525/tph.2007.29.2.81, footnote on p. 90.) This policy effectively grandfathers out of the NHL registry all "historic" units of the park service established before then -- NHLs may still become units of the park service, but not vice versa.
The question (and I will invite participants in the failed NY list nomination to weigh in here) is whether this policy is a sufficient reason to include non-NHL "historic" NPS units on featured NHL lists (in a separate section, as in the NY list). (Unfortunately User:Doncram, who prosecuted the NY list FLC, is presently blocked, which may impede his input on the matter...)
I have added language to List of National Historic Landmarks in Massachusetts explaining this, and used of a header that I think might be appropriate for meaningfully describing the section. Editors should feel free to comment here or at Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks in Massachusetts on the specifics of language and format. Magic ♪piano 18:21, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_National Register of Historic_Places/Style guide#NRIS_reference lists a citation format for NRIS listings which points them all to http://www.nr.nps.gov/ - a broken link. Even when that site was working at that URL, there was no means to link directly to one specific record in the manner (for instance) that the radio/TV station query templates use.
I'd raised the issue on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/U.S._Route_66#National_Register_of_Historic_Places_database.3F after being blasted on WP:RS grounds for attempting to use a third-party website instead of NPS directly for an NRHS-listed US route 66 restored motel but it seems we have many existing articles sourced to "nr.nps.gov [dead link]" which are at least as problematic in that anything created per the style guide is going to [dead link] on the first reference listed (as this gets hit right away, in the infobox for the page).
Perhaps something like the broadcast template {{ tvq}}: [http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call={{{1}}} Query the FCC's TV station database for {{{1}}}] should be created with {{nris}}: [http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov NRHP reference #{{{1}}}] on the [[National Register of Historic Places]]
The parameter would be for display only, at least until such time as the NPS ever creates something to which we can link for one record directly, but a standardised template would mean that any change to the URL (ie: nr.nps.gov → nrhp.focus.nps.gov) would only require one edit (to a template) instead of breaking links on every article for every site on the entire National Register. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 18:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
|refnum=
thing, the NRIS database does not allow one to point directly to an individual entry in the database. The refnum parameter would do nothing for that template. That's one of the reasons why the NRIS is occasionally disliked by the community at large.--
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We're sadly lacking in Christmas pix, these are recycled from last year. Maybe somebody could go out and shoot some for next year. Mine may not foot the bill, coming from the Virgin Islands. Ho! Ho! Ho! Enjoy and Merry Christmas! Smallbones ( talk) 03:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Here's one from this year: the NRHP-listed Kearney County Courthouse in Minden, Nebraska, which bills itself as "Nebraska's Christmas City". Minden started lighting the courthouse square in 1915, when the city fathers decided to impress a state G.A.R. convention by illuminating the route from the railroad station to the square. Weather interfered, as weather has a way of doing in Nebraska, and the lights were repurposed for a Christmas display. Pleased to report that they haven't yet put a Santa Claus hat on the infantryman on the Civil War monument. Ammodramus ( talk) 04:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Not nearly as decorated, but this one is definitely from this year. Here's NRHP-listed Meridian City Hall lit up for the holidays! Originally built during the Great Depression, the building has been under restoration since 2006 and is nearing completion. The image is thanks to local photographer Nathan Culpepper.-- Dudemanfellabra ( talk) 06:46, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
I already posted this on the NY issues board, but there are incorret NRHP parameters used on the 145th Street (IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line) article. While that station is historic enough to deserve NRHP status, all the documentation shows that the actual 145th Street Subway station with NRHP status in Manhattan is 145th Street (IRT Lenox Avenue Line). ---- DanTD ( talk) 12:39, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
See you have a userbox for # of historic districts visited, would be cool to have one for those who actually live in one! :-) Nikki ( talk) 19:33, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
I was putting together the article for the Ironwood City Hall, and it turns out that the structure has been demolished for over 20 years. It seems to me that the infobox ought to recognize that, so I added a banned using the "designated other" parameter (see the article). So, question: is this a good idea, and if so, is it worth adding a specialized parameter to the infobox (like "delisted"?) Andrew Jameson ( talk) 12:22, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
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parameter which holds the date of demolition. I just put it in the article and took out the banner.--
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As far as placement on lists is concerned, how do we deal with burned ships that don't exist anymore? I decided to take a trip to Sandusky, Ohio today ( National Register of Historic Places listings in Sandusky, Ohio will be extremely close to fully illustrated when I finish uploading my photos of almost 110 different sites), and to my surprise, I couldn't find G.A. BOECKLING (side-paddlewheel steamboat) at its location. The public library reference desk told me "no" when I asked if it were normally berthed there, but they didn't explain what had happened to it. Figuring that it had been moved to a different port, I checked Google, which provided this NPS document that refers to the burning of a ship G.A. Boeckling at Sandusky, Ohio. What do we do with it? We normally leave properties on lists that have been destroyed by fire, unless they're delisted (e.g. Lockington Covered Bridge, burned in 1989, appears on our Shelby County, Ohio list), but when movable structures such as ships get moved, we change them (e.g. Donald B. we list in Switzerland County, Indiana, even though NPS lists it at its former location in Brown County, Ohio). At the same time, we include the shipwreck Mississippi III in the list for Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, even though it sank after it got moved there from Washington County, Ohio.
All this is to say: since it appears that there's not a trace left of the Boeckling, the situation seems to be unique. What should we do with it? Nyttend ( talk) 01:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Not exactly sure where this is going, but remember the State of Pennsylvania (in Delaware) "The boat foundered near its dock on the Christina River in 1970. In 1979, it was listed on the National Register of Historic Places.[1] In 1988, the upper decks were destroyed by a deliberately set fire, and in 2005 the hull was removed and scrapped as a hazard to navigation, all without the ship being raised." Smallbones ( talk) 00:53, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
I added an image and a reference but I think someone should take a look at this article. -- Traveler100 ( talk) 10:00, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
In trying to supply refnums to the county/city table, I could not find this one in the FOCUS or other standard sources. I did find it in the Elkman Infobox Generator as 88002206 - owner objection. I got this number from National Register of Historic Places.com indicating listing in 1988. The National Register of Historic Places listings in Essex County, New York indicates that it was approved April 9, 1992. I could not easily find it in the 1992 NRHP list. I have given the number and owner objection in the comments of the county table. Maybe someone with more familiarity with New York State NRHP could look for it or delete it if it is not approved. KudzuVine ( talk) 20:04, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
In trying to find the refnums for sites in Thurston County, Washington, I found four that are problematical that I did locate in FOCUS/NRIS or the Elkman inbox generator. Again, I found the refnums in National Register of Historic Places.com. The places are: 1) Allen-Beals House, refnum = 99000438, Elkman's database says it is "Pending/listed;" 2) Donald Building, refnum = 87002646, Elkman's database says it is "Owner objection;" 3) Hotel Olympian, refnum = 87002647, Elkman's database says it is "Owner objection;" and 4) Kearney House-YWCA Clubhouse, refnum = 99000439, Elkman's database says it is "Pending/listed." If this is true, they are not (yet) listed. I tried to them in the WISAARD state tool. I found Allen-Beals House and Donald Building on their map, but could not find any more information. Perhaps, someone more skilled can figure it out. If they are not on the Register, the Owner objection places could be put in separate category as was done for Delaware & Hudson Railroad Depot - Ticonderoga in National Register of Historic Places listings in Essex County, New York by User:Sanfranman59 for the above item. But what do we do with Pending/listed? KudzuVine ( talk) 23:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
I am editing the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture, a library listed in the National Register of Historic Places. Which navbox should I use? 66.234.33.8 ( talk) 23:38, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone - I recently put up a featured list nomination for List of National Historic Landmarks in Michigan (the review can be found at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of National Historic Landmarks in Michigan/archive1). As part of the review, a user who works with accessibility issues has pointed out that standard colors used as differentiators in NRHP/NHL listings (detailed at Wikipedia:NRHP colors legend) do not meet accessibility guidelines. Here's the exact quote from this reviewer:
I am not going to change this list to be out of sync with the rest of the lists, but I am hoping that as a project something can be done to bring the colors into standard with accessibility guidelines, so that all of the lists curated by the project meet the guidelines. Thanks, Dana boomer ( talk) 20:33, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
In going through the removals from the NRHP, I have come across a listing that I'm not sure about. The S.S. John W. Brown is currently listed in the Baltimore listings with Ref#97001295. On the Same day listing, There is also a removal listing for the John W. Brown at Newport News for ref#85000399. I'm assuming these are the same object, but want to double-check with everyone else. 25or6to4 ( talk) 13:30, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Interesting article from the New York Times yesterday on the efforts to preserve, and possibly grant formal status of some kind to, the Apollo landing sites on the moon.
I've often wondered about this myself. I don't think anyone would disagree that the Apollo 11 site meets all the criteria for NHL status, but apparently the NPS rebuffed efforts by students at New Mexico State to do so (apparently the concern is that it might violate the Outer Space Treaty's provision that no nation claims sovereignty over any portion of the moon or any other celestial body. It seems like it would be eligible for World Heritage Site status as well, but apparently UNESCO only lets nations list sites within their own borders (even in sort of fudgy cases like Jerusalem Old City and its walls, which was proposed by Jordan, and was within borders Jordan was still claiming at the time although it had been under Israeli administration for a dozen years or so (and still is)).
But, that hasn't stopped California and New Mexico from listing Tranquility Base in their state-level registers. Apparently all they need is some connection to the state (Texas can't, as theirs is limited to the state itself). And NASA itself, which normally doesn't do much to preserve its history (as any look through our articles on certain space-related NHLs such as Neutral Buoyancy Space Simulator will attest) is actually getting interested. They have to balance the preservation interest with their own impulse should we/when we return to the moon to collect some of the objects and see how well the material has held up ( Apollo 12 was purposely landed near one of the Surveyors for exactly this reason). So for the time being NASA has asked that any visitors to the moon, human or robotic, keep at least 75 meters (246 ft) from all the Apollo sites save Apollo 17, where a 225-meter (738 ft) limit is requested due to the tracks Eugene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt left in their lunar rover. This was apparently prompted by the Google Lunar X Prize, which offers a $1 million bonus to a team that gets its spacecraft to a historic site on the moon (See here for the controversy).
This is an interesting issue in preservation given that we, as a species, have now put landing craft on practically every inner planet (we did land one on Mercury, didn't we?) and now some of the moons of the outer planets. And I would imagine free spacecraft would qualify as well, if not Pioneer 10 (first outer-planet probe; first manmade object to leave the solar system) and Voyager 1 (farthest man-made object from Earth). Since we're not the only country to have done this, I think this should be addressed at the UN level. Daniel Case ( talk) 20:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Category:Stubs at this moment (may not be the same when you look) contains 49 items all or most of which are minimal stubs for NRHP places. In each case the stub provides less information than the county listing (compare: Joseph Mandl House "is a house located in Jerome, Idaho listed on the National Register of Historic Places." to the list at National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Jerome_County,_Idaho which includes date of listing, street address and geog coordinates.
Such stubs seem to be positively unhelpful, and I suggest that they should be made into redirects to the listings unless there is any prospect of them being expanded in the immediate future. Pam D 10:13, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please look at and vet List of Masonic buildings in the United States, both entries and linked articles? There are a lot of stubs, small articles, etc., that to me only seem to speak to existence rather than notability, but I don't know enough about buildings and architecture to know what features would make a building's style notable. If they could stand to be prodded or AfDed, I can do that, but I need to know which articles I can do that with, and which are OK as they are. MSJapan ( talk) 21:24, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Forwarding this - discussion in next section
Early registration is only $35 for 3 days for Wikimedia contributors
which includes lunch and lots of extras, but not hotels of course. Smallbones ( talk) 22:08, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Call for Participation - Wikimania 2012
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Hopefully this won't degenerate it another project-wide conflict, but this could affect the disambiguation policy here. I've requested a move of Horseshoe Curve (Altoona, Pennsylvania) to Horseshoe Curve (Pennsylvania). The discussion can be found here. Niagara Don't give up the ship 20:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Nytend and I were discussing this on my talkpage. This template creates a link to a NPS site. However the site does not itself contain any info on a NRHP. Because of this I was removing them (being unknowing that is) and I'm sure I'm not the only one that has been confused by this. It is searchable and has a downloadable database. NRISref uses a date format I detest (though I know it's one of the acceptable standards). Is there a way to change it? Template documentation is mute on this...to be more explicit, the Template:NRISref displays dates as YYYY-MM-DD. Is there are way to make it display in this format January 22, 2012? Also the date it displays is the database version date and it doesn't display a retrieved date at all. These sorts of issues are a big deal at GA and FA and somewhat at DYK, ie, date format consistency and referenced sites that do not themselves have any info on the topic. If these can't be changed I might just put the info in cite web format. Tks. PumpkinSky talk 11:01, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
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parameter. Setting it to "dmy" gives 23 January 2012, "mdy" gives January 23, 2012, and both "ymd" and "iso" give the default 2012-01-23.--
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A botmaster named "Multichill" is going through and deleting multiple HABS sub-categories on Wikimedia Commons, and replacing them with a generic "Historic buildings" category. Does anyone know if there was a discussion on this? Bms4880 ( talk) 19:30, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
User:Multichill has proposed above a new system for setting up our (county) tables. It sounds good (so far), but I'm concerned that not everybody understands the change and what it might mean. Also, I'm not sure that Multichill has a complete understanding of what we want from our tables, and some of the quirks that we might have.
I ask everybody concerned with our tables (that's everybody here isn't it?) to join in and help describe what we want and need from our tables. But first I'll just copy some of the advantages he has stated above. Smallbones ( talk) 04:00, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
What we need, quirks, and questions
I'm sure there are other questions and quirks. It wouldn't be fair to Multichill to expect him to know all of these unless we tell him, so please add on! Smallbones ( talk) 04:00, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Maps! Ooh, bots and other automatic processes making more maps! Maps of kinds of places. Maps of photographed places. Local maps of photos wanted! Ooh, I want maps, especially on my smartphone when wandering in unfamiliar neighborhoods seeking unphotographed treasures. Yes, the coordinates in Wikpedia are objective, while most coordinates in Commons are POV, all for good reasons, but most photos have no coordinates. Presumably the automated coords would be placed low in the Commons, photo page so other bots would give priority to other coords in case of conflict. And of course they must say they are of objects and not where the camera sat.
Yes, automatons often apply categories stupidly in Commons but usually those are more easily found and corrected than pictures escaping notice due to undercategorization. So yes, I hope a way can be found to go forward with this project, not so hastily as to spread great confusion (for example by unwise categorization within templates) but without unreasonable delay. Jim.henderson ( talk) 22:02, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I went ahead and converted part of the lists. On the first pass the bot converted the list in a template based format and tried to extract the reference number from the linked article. For the second pass I downloaded the full NRHP database and converted it to Mysql (the source is MS access). I imported this database at the toolserver (p_erfgoed_nrhp_p for anyone who has an account). In the second pass the bot tried to find reference numbers. For each item I use the state, county and date to find one or more items. If either the address or the name match exactly the number is added. This worked quite well. Some numbers:
The gap between 40874 and 40789 can be explained by the fact that the NRHP database seems to be a bit outdated (all items which are in the big monuments database, but not in the NRHP one are recent). Some nice things:
All updated on a daily basis (each night UTC). multichill ( talk) 22:37, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I noticed errors implemented by the Botmultichill bot in changing the presentation of "Formerly listed" sites. In this edit for Downtown Davenport and this edit for North Dakota, there were incorrect changes of the displayed text from "Delisted Date" to "Listed Date", for the section of Formerly listed properties. That's an error, to completely change the meaning to the opposite of what is factual. Multichill, notified, has commented that there is code in the bot to seek to avoid such errors. Multichill, could you please comment on how your bot seeks to address these cases (searching on what string, etc.)? Perhaps the "Formerly listed" sections are coded with different titles or otherwise are not uniform enough, across pages, for your coding stratgegy to work. Can you provide one or more examples where your bot did transform them into something correct? In particular, do you have a different row-template that you seek to put in for these rows?
Perhaps a manual editing campaign is needed to search the set of NRHP list-articles for instances of "Formerly listed" or similar phrases, or use of "NRHP-delisted color" template. "What links here" applied to the use of "NRHP-delisted_color" template yields 50 or more NRHP list articles that probably all have Formerly Listed sections, by the way. Would we need to visit all those manually?
I do in general admire Multichill's effort to transform NRHP list-tables into versions that are more easily translated into other language wikipedias. Has anyone else noticed this problem for formerly listed subtables, though? -- do ncr am 19:20, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
The bot made an edit to National Register of Historic Places listings in Lowell, Massachusetts, attempting to change a single row in the table to use {{ NRHP row}}. A number of things were broken in the edit (multichill, please look at how it botched the citation). Note that this article's table does not have a "city" or "neighborhood" column (a feature other sublist articles I know of share), so the whole table would have to be converted to avoid breaking formatting. Magic ♪piano 14:40, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I've come across a couple tables now where the bot didn't convert NHS listings to the new NRHP row template format. Is that intentional Multichill? The process that I use for renumbering rows in long tables requires each listing to have the same number of row elements. If a row or two in the table are formatted the old way while all of the other rows are formatted the new way, my system doesn't work very well. Is there some reason that we shouldn't be using the new row template for type=NRHP and type=HD? -- sanfranman59 ( talk) 00:26, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
(moved from separate discussion item "Table help")
Can someone remove the number column I don't see a point and the "neighborhood" column, they are all Davenport now on here CTJF83 22:00, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
On National Register of Historic Places listings in Orleans County, New York, there were two issues related to the listing date field (I had, last fall, been working on developing this for a possible FLC, so I'm, uh, a little interested in seeing this resolved).
Since I feel that any of these lists we put up for FLC, should someone decide to do so, will need to have the dates of listing cited (and it's easy to do so), this should be resolved.
Also in that vein, I had added alt text to the images that has also been stripped out. I think I can add a field to {{ NRHP row}} that would allow them to be restored, but if someone else who's better at template fixes than I am can do so, all the better. Daniel Case ( talk) 01:15, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I could use some (bot assisted) help with Category:NRHP list missing county. Every listing contains the county. This is used to find the right refnum and for the statistics. I already added a lot of counties myself. This is the strategy:
replace.py -lang:en -regex "\|county=\s*\r\n" "|county=[[Middlesex County, Connecticut]]\n" -namespace:0 -page:National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Middletown,_Connecticut
multichill ( talk) 21:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Boundaries of historic districts change every once in a while. How to handle these?
Opinions please. multichill ( talk) 21:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Oregon is definitely the state causing me the most problems. Everything is different in Oregon (compared to the other states). I keep a list at User:Multichill/NRHP to skip#Oregon. If somebody could help with these that would be nice. Some of the problems:
multichill ( talk) 21:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
I converted some more lists. We now have almost 70.000 items with a reference number. Some statistics:
I made a list of items not yet in our lists. This can be used to shorten Category:NRHP list missing refnum. We could probably use some tooling for that. Doing this manually is an awful lot of work. multichill ( talk) 21:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Based on the input I got I improved the header and the row templates. For the header I added the "nocity" field to hide the city column. For the row template I did several changes:
For an example without the city and some extra fields set, see User:Multichill/sandbox. What do you think? Do you like it? Did I miss something? multichill ( talk) 20:25, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for improving the templates, but further improvement is needed. In particular, it doesn't make sense to go on with tables that require tedious manual re-numbering of the listed items. It doesn't make sense to propagate that system on to Wikipedias of other languages; it doesn't make sense to keep doing it here. When, I am pretty sure (because there are smart programmers around), it would be feasible for the header and row templates to take care of it. In particular, I saw a "nocity" solution by User:Aude before which nested his/her version of the row templates within the header template. That worked to allow for the suppression of the city/neighborhood column without requiring "nocity=1" to be added to every single row of a table. I think it would also work to allow for a program to count the rows. This would be a big gain for us in the English wikipedia NRHP project, an unexpected payoff from the templatizing initiative. -- do ncr am 16:35, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Puerto Rico has complexities, more so than Oregon, because Puerto Rico does not have counties. Editor Mercy11 was raising some issues. I'm trying some edits at National Register of Historic Places listings in western Puerto Rico. Please discuss Puerto Rico complications here. -- do ncr am 21:46, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
{{
NRHP header|city=[[Barrios of Puerto Rico|Barrio]]}}
No, I don't think you missed anything. Just one question though: Is your intention to go ahead and modify the headers for all the other remaining municipalities??? If it is, I would advise against that for now. I think the change to include "Barrio" in place of "city/town" at the column header would need to be done piece-meal. (I supplied all the barrios for the Ponce municipality because I am familiar with the exact location of all the features in that municipality, but I don't know the barrio locations of all the other municipalities.) I suggest we leave them showing "city/town" in the column header and, since we now have the proper header template format (via the new Ponce listing), it can be used as an example to change each municipality as each one's full set of barrio locations are obtained. This is my suggestion on this. Regards, Mercy11 ( talk) 14:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
I just realized how the refnums are constructed. Yeah, I know, I'm a genius. :) The first two digits are the year of listing. Example: 88001822 was listed 1988-09-08. I guess the last digits are the order of listing in that year. Though if it's listed in January, sometimes the first two digits are the year previous. Thought this info would be good to have on record for the refnum project, doncha know. :) --‖ Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 17:02, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
In a week we had quite some progress:
That's partly because I improved a bot, but mostly due to the combined hard work of several users. Thank you for that! If we keep this up we should be done in January. multichill ( talk) 10:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
So we're (almost) done adding a reference number to every listing. I know that some lists contain mistakes because this list is still rather large. I did some queries to hunt down this errors:
I hope you guys want to help solve these puzzles. And by the way: For the people who wonder how I make these lists, just replace the .txt with .sql to see the query. Multichill ( talk) 12:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Am I the only person who has been sorting out NRHP pics in specific counties and cities that are in the commons? I found close to 200 that have been incorrectly placed in the National Register of Historic Places by county meta-category, that I can't keep up with all the counties and states they belong in. I've created scores of NRHP by county categories for nearly a third of the states, and there are still tons that need to be done. And furthermore, why can't the National Register of Historic Places in Louisiana by parish category be linked with all the other NRHP in Foo state by county categories? ---- DanTD ( talk) 03:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
(unindent) I do this type of work periodically over at Commons. The last couple of weeks, I've been focusing my efforts on images of NRHP in Oregon. Right now, I'm working my way through about 150 images that were put in Category:National Register of Historic Places in Oregon rather than in the proper county category. While I'm at it, I'm adding other relevant categories related to the type of structure (house, church, hotel, etc.) and year of construction. If you're not aware of it, the Oregon Parks and Rec Dept has an incredibly useful search-able online database that has virtually all of their NRHP nomination forms (complete with photos). I just wish that my state of residence had such an amazing resource. Given the dismal fiscal condition of this state, I'm not holding my breath that anything such thing is in the offing. -- sanfranman59 ( talk) 20:29, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
In working through the backlog of NRHP pages needing NRHP infoboxes, I have a question about schools in general. My current school is Archmere Academy. Without reading the NRHP documents, I have no idea if the building in question is related to the current page that discusses the school. Archmere Academy is probably not the best example because it could easily refer to a specific building. Elkman infobox generator lists a site called "Archmere" and gives the name "The Patio," as an "other name." "The Patio" is mentioned in the actual Archmere Academy webpage. But in general, school buildings on the NRHP have become a lower-level school, e.g. high schools become middle school, or apartment buildings, condominiums, opera houses, etc. The page that refers to the existing school only shares the name. It may be in a different locaton. What should we do about the infobox? It does not seem right to put the NRHP infobox on a page that may or may not be the NRHP site? Schools are not the only type. Courthouses, and other buildings get repurposed and the original tenant moves elsewhere. KudzuVine ( talk) 01:15, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm somewhat familiar with Archmere Academy and agree that the article is a mess. The photo there is not really the building of interest, but the nomination http://pdfhost.focus.nps.gov/docs/NRHP/Text/92001143.pdf (for "Archmere") includes the 36 acres around the "Patio" an Italian Renaissance Florentine courtyard with white limestone Corinthian columns (pretty different than the photo!). I'm pretty sure that the newer Academy buildings are separate from the Patio, but built around it or nearby. BTW schools, especially on large campuses can be especially difficult to photograph - they don't like strangers with strange stories about Wikipedia who might perhaps photograph the kids. I might suggest a separate article with a creative name - perhaps "Patio at Archmere" - but it is a judgement call and one that will be repeated for many schools in similar situations. For conservation of effort - I'll suggest that we NOT separate the articles - unless somebody sees a very good reason and is willing to do the work themselves. The flip side is that once somebody separates the articles, we not spend the effort to argue about whether he/she violated consensus.
I'll try to get there on a weekend (no kids-I hope) and take a photo. I'll also lookup an even more confusing related situation I ran into for comment. Smallbones ( talk) 18:17, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
There are a number of architects and architectual firms on the list of needing NRHP infoboxes. I have started deleting the Wikiproject NRHP templates with the need for the infobox, e.g. Henry L. Blatner, Edwin Fitch, Peter J. Barber, Babb, Cook and Willard, .... Before I go further, I thought I would check if people object. I can restore these if the consensus is the need for an NRHP infobox, but then someone needs to show how the infobox is to be used for an architect as the principal subject.
Similarly, there are a few MPS and thematic resources on the list, e.g. American Indian Rock Art in Minnesota MPS, Apartments and Flats of Downtown Indianapolis Thematic Resources, tthat indicate the need for an NRHP infobox. Although these are often directly related to one or more NRHPs, I cannot see how we fill out an NRHP infobox.
Your thoughts please. KudzuVine ( talk) 01:09, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:NRHP history will have interest in putting on events related to women's history related to NHRP places. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch ( talk) 19:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I'll suggest that WP:NRHP get a panel discussion together for Wikimania of about 70 minutes, and make a submission by March 18.
It should probably be very basic is some aspects for newbies, and could probably relate to Washington DC as well. Perhaps 4 speakers - addressing issues that are dear to their own hearts, but probably along the lines of photos, article write-ups, data availability, project organization. We could also try to recruit somebody from the NPS, HABS, or NRHP to come to talk with us. There might even be a possibility that we could do something at one of their sites, e.g. they could invite us to their offices, present several people, and then we do something that the GLAM folks call on editathon.
I'd guess most people on the East Coast and the Midwest could get to DC pretty easily and it would be good to actually meet the people I only know by their usernames.
Could we get some sort of indication of how interested you are and how you might want to participate? e.g.
On today's new listings, Trujillo Homestead in Alamosa County, Colorado has been designated an NHL due to its ties to New Spain (something no doubt dear to our current Secretary of the Interior, who also does). This is the first of the most recent batch of listings I mentioned last month to get the nod.
I have updated the entry in both the county NRHP list and Colorado's NHL list, but we still don't have an actual article. Daniel Case ( talk) 23:43, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I've just finished a run through Arizona, in the course of which I took a hatful of photos in Pima, Santa Cruz, and Cochise counties. I'm now in the process of editing and uploading them to Commons, but am running into difficulties.
Does anyone know if there's a place where I can find nom forms, or at least photos and/or descriptions, of NRHP sites in Arizona? Santa Cruz County is presenting some very large problems, since the city of Nogales, Arizona has apparently changed its house numbering system somewhat recently, and most of the addresses under which properties were nominated are now wrong or even nonexistent. I shot several buildings that were on the right streets and that "looked historical", but I'd need to confirm them with photos from nom forms, historical-society websites, or the like. Similar situation in Willcox (Cochise County), where one address was apparently nonexistent. I shot a house on the hypothesis that someone had accidentally hit a key twice in entering the address, but I'm not going to post the photos and call it an NRHP site without some verification. In any case, I'd like some confirmation beyond the bare addresses, since we all know that the NPS database isn't altogether error-free.
Would appreciate advice on this from a Southern Arizona authority. Thanks. Ammodramus ( talk) 14:21, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, the article
Lutheran Theological Seminary at Gettysburg has two infoboxes, one being {{
Infobox NRHP}}
. Could somebody please examine this article, and determine whether the NRHP can fairly be embedded into the main infobox? It's unclear to me as to whether they refer to the same building, or a different one. Whilst doing this, please eliminate one set of coordinates from the title, because there are two overlapping sets there, and since they are different, both are illegible. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
22:14, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
|embed=yes
in {{
Infobox NRHP}}
so that two infoboxes give the appearance of just one. I respectfully decline the invitation of Smallbones to re-do the article, because I have nothing in the way of sources for this establishment. My main concern was the illegibility of the coordinates at upper right -
see here - which I had noticed because the extra set of coordinates was causing the article to show in
this report, item 8. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
13:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
The planning is starting for Wiki Loves Monuments in the U.S at Commons:Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 in the United States and its talk page. The "Photo Contest" will run for the month of September with any picture uploaded during September being entered (as planned now). There are a lot of "new folks" involved, which is probably the main point - this is meant to help bring in new editors and photographers just as much as it is meant to bring in new photos of sites.
Help from experienced hands will of course be a key to success. Please stop by and get to know the page and the project - with lots of new people and photos coming in you'll likely have to do it sooner or later!
Would anybody like to suggest goals - numeric or otherwise? Or possible contests/challenges? Do you know of anybody who might want to offer prizes?
Now is the time to get involved.
As always,
Smallbones ( talk) 01:35, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
This is a technical proposal, not a policy proposal — it's comparable to how we "require" refnums in our lists to ensure that lists don't end up in Category:NRHP list missing refnum. What do all of you think of requiring every entry to have coordinates or end up in Category:NRHP list missing coordinates? I'd suggest a single exception: we could use a parameter such as "unavailable" for cases in which NRIS doesn't provide coords and we can't figure them out from the address; this could encompass both address-restricted sites and sites where the location simply isn't clear enough. For an example of the latter situation, see the Dr. John Parson Cabin Complex in Daggett County, Utah, which has the wonderfully precise location of "Southwest of Bridgeport". Nyttend ( talk) 02:55, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
|coord_display=inline
.--
Dudemanfellabra (
talk)
14:56, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Here are some other problems that I have had. Maybe someone knows a work-around.
{{convert|1|mi|km}}
won't work, but {{convert|1|mi|km|1}}
will work correctly and show 1 decimal point: 1 mile (1.6 km).|nrhp=
parameter and put the NRHP infobox in that, like the one in {{
Infobox windmill}} (although this is not a non-standardized infobox.|nrhp=
parameter which is coded into the windmill infobox itself. This is kind of a poor example because the parameter isn't really needed for the windmill infobox since it only has two columns. For infoboxes with more than two columns, though, the parameter must be added in to the code of the infobox itself manually like it has been added into the windmill infobox.--
Dudemanfellabra (
talk)
04:02, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
{{
infobox windmill}}
template has the |nrhp=
parameter added
in this manner. Essentially, this takes the content of the |nrhp=
parameter, wraps it in a table the full width of the infobox, and displays it as if it were a single row in the infobox. Then you can have something like this in an article:{{infobox windmill |name=Foo Mill ... |nrhp={{infobox NRHP |embed=yes ... }} }}
On New York's latest list of nominations to consider for submission to the NPS at the Historic Preservation Board's next meeting in a couple of weeks, there's the [2] John Martinus Larawy Inn in ... Prattsville. Yes, the same small town that was almost washed away by the flooding after Hurricane Irene at the end of last summer.
The nomination does acknowledge this:
On August 28-29, 2011 the house was inundated by several feet of water caused by the catastrophic
flooding associated with Hurricane Irene and Tropical Storm Lee. Buildings to the south and west of the inn were completely destroyed by the flood waters and all surviving structures in the community sustained significant damage. As a result of this event the first floor of the inn was completely destroyed. All walls were stripped to the structural members to allow for reconstruction of electrical wiring and to remove mold growth.
Although the building’s first floor has lost its finishes the original center hall flanking room plan as well as several Greek Revival window architraves and the finely detailed stair remain intact.
Emphasis mine. I am a little concerned that that group is a way of acknowledging that some other listed properties in Prattsville did not survive. Certainly Prattsville Commercial Building, built into the Schoharie Creek's east bank, would face tough odds. You can see some photos of the damage as it affects the nominated building in the nom. And other photos in this stream at Flickr show you Prattsville as it was in October.
Google, and by extension ACME Mapper, is now using post-storm satellite photos for the area. Based on where the map shows it as being, the Commercial Building may have been the only one there to have survived.
The Prattsville Reformed Dutch Church looks safe ... it was in the downtown section where the flooding wasn't as bad. As is the Zadock Pratt House.
I still haven't been up there since the shortest route there from where I live still has a bridge out. But when I can I'll report back. Daniel Case ( talk) 06:45, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I have nominated Canterbury Castle (Portland, Oregon) for Good status. Feel free to look over the article, make sure it meets WikiProject NRHP preferences, formatting, etc. Hopefully images will become available very soon to add to the article (a fellow WikiProject Oregon member has contacted a Flickr contributor for permission). Looking forward to working on additional NRHP sites soon. -- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:16, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Haymarket affair, which is listed as part of this WikiProject, has been nominated for a community reassessment to determine if it meets the good article criteria and so can be listed as a good article. Please add comments to the article reassessment page. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 19:50, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
John of Reading has updated {{
NRHP row}} with an override for the coordinates missing; simply add |nolatlon=true
to prevent the category from being appended to an entry where we can't add the coords. I suspect that this will allow us to remove lots of pages from the coords-missing category. Down the road, if you find coordinates for a nolatlon=yes site (e.g. NRIS lacks coords and the address is vague, but the nomination form tells you precisely where it is), please remember to remove the nolatlon=yes parameter, so that we can notice if the coords get vandalised or mangled by accident.
Nyttend (
talk)
03:50, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Can someone look at this page and fix? I see only the listings to Shaarai Torah Synagogue, after which there appears to be an error which I can't find.....Thanks in advance..... Pvmoutside ( talk) 21:43, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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Detroit is doing the same thing. That seems problematic. Andrew Jameson ( talk) 09:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
{{lc:}}
there are also a {{#ifeq:}}
and a {{#if:}}
which each contribute. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
20:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Looks like whoever wrote the BotMultichill bot has an error in code somewhere since it appears that is causing the New Castle DE problems (Dec 8, 2011). The Worcester listing was messed up in the same way, so I went back to the listing before the bot was used, and then restored anything worthwhile after. Only solution I could think of at the time........Splitting the list will require a little bit of thought...... Pvmoutside ( talk) 20:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I split National Register of Historic Places listings in southern New Castle County, Delaware from National Register of Historic Places listings in New Castle County, Delaware, not quite done yet (and Mon-Weds I'll be out of touch), but I hope to finish it tomorrow. Smallbones ( talk) 04:59, 4 March 2012 (UTC) finished Smallbones ( talk) 23:23, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Listed in the NRHP is Nogales High School in Nogales, Arizona. There's a Nogales High School (Nogales, Arizona) article, wikilinked on National Register of Historic Places listings in Santa Cruz County, Arizona, but it's a one-sentence stub with school infobox about the current high school, which is not located in the historic building. How should we handle this situation? Should we create a new redlink for the historic school in the NRHP-in-SC-Co list; and if so, under what name? Leave the current link, on the assumption that someone, someday, will put material on the historic building in the article about the current school? For now, I've illustrated the Santa Cruz Co. list article, but not the article about the modern school. Ammodramus ( talk) 01:28, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi: You might be interested to know there is a discussion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_March_2#Template:Infobox_architect about the architect template.-- Pubdog ( talk) 23:02, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I just noticed that File:We Can Do It!.jpg is associated with Rosie the Riveter/World War II Home Front National Historical Park by having a NRHP site number on the image file. It looks iffy to me - the original image seems to have been displayed only in a Westinghouse factory (in Pittsburg?) for a couple of weeks during WWII, rather than at the California site. Not that I'm adament about removing the number, but are there accepted standards about when to label images with NRHP numbers and where to discuss the issues? BTW, is it acceptable to put a single number on multiple images of the same site? Smallbones ( talk) 22:44, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Unique Identifiers has been created in response to the "UID interface to Wikipedia" section currently at WP:VPR. Since the scope includes all groups of articles with unique identifiers, it's relevant here because they would care about NRIS reference numbers. Nyttend ( talk) 14:38, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
I have been looking at NRHP articles that do not have pictures to see which ones I could do. Some of them are however private homes. Are there any guidelines or even laws on publishing to Wikipedia and uploading to Commons pictures of private residence in the USA? -- Traveler100 ( talk) 19:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
I've been confronted about three times while taking pictures for this project. The first was a neighborhood in Yonkers that's a historic district I'm going to be writing about soon. Some woman confronted me from her open window and made it pretty clear she didn't want me around. I took a picture of the houses across the street (not hers) and left. Second time was the Melius-Bentley House, where, in order to get a view of the house over the fence, I didn't hold the camera up but instead climbed the rock ledge across the road. She was OK with me doing it because it was a historic house, but clearly resented the intrusion (it's in an isolated rural area) and I don't feel like going back there anytime soon, although I did get the picture (it's going to be a while before I upload it, at any rate).
Lastly was different ... I went into the lobby of the Suffern, NY, post office, which I'd already photographed from the outside and written the article. But I wanted a picture of the bas-relief described in it. The woman in the teller window told me, after I'd gotten a couple of pictures of it, that I couldn't take pictures there because it was a federal building. Not even if it was paid for with my tax dollars and listed on the National Register of Historic Places, I asked? No, she said, which of course was absurd. She even told me I couldn't take a picture of the outside (which, again, I already had).
She was polite and courteous about it, so I left amiably, but I was planning for several days to write a letter to whoever was in charge of that region of post offices complaining about it (cc'ed to the appropriate people in Congress, of course). I didn't, after I stopped being mad about it.
One place I really would be careful, though, is historic school buildings that are still in use as a school. Do not photograph them while they're in session, if you can absolutely avoid it, even though it's legal to do so. For understandable reasons, people get really emotional where the safety of their children might be threatened, and you don't want to be in that situation. Twice I have been asked why I'm taking pictures of school buildings, and one wasn't even in use anymore. Daniel Case ( talk) 03:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I am new to all this and quite confused, but could someone help me with this problem, I looked up my own home which is on the NRHP and found that someone had photographed the wrong address, and mistakenly listed my house as having been torn down.they posted pictures of my neighbors barns. so the entry is completely wrong. how can I correct this? anyone know? Cookie pierce ( talk) 18:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion, I just spent another wasted two hours trying to upload one picture, and no success, I have no idea what licesing to choose and it keeps deleting everything I type into the form. also wikipedia seems to want me to become a full time member by insisting that i do ten edits etc. I have no interest in getting this involved in this project, I just want to post a couple of pictures of my historic house because whoever posted it originally got it all wrong. Isn't there a easy way of doing this? I am not computer savey, I don't know how to write code this process is too difficult. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookpie ( talk • contribs) 14:56, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm negotiating access to Fort Lesley J. McNair in DC. In common with Fort Myer and Henderson Hall (Arlington, Virginia), the stipulations on photography encourage photography as long as prohibitions on images of gates/entrances, quarters or barracks, motor pools, ammo storage, food prep areas and utility systems are observed. They also want a week's notice, as far as I can tell (I'm still working on clarification). Since some of the quarters and gates are historic in character, that's disappointing, but it's best to have explicit and written permission and a clear statement of limitations on a military installation. Even with permission, it can be difficult: I've been stopped (as in blocked in by police cars on the road) on an installation where I was working and had official, documented permission to do what I was doing: the word had not made it around to security. Acroterion (talk) 02:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
There are two cemeteries: Sleepy Hollow Cemetery and Sleepy Hollow Cemetery, Concord. Both are claimed to be on the NRHP. The one we all know in Sleepy Hollow, New York has refnum = 09000380. The one in Concord, Massachusetts has refnum = 98000991. The New York cemetery also has refnum = 98000991 in National Register of Historic Places listings in Westchester County, New York. The Elkman infobox generator says for New York cemetery that refnum = 09000380 and "This property may not actually be listed on the National Register - listing code is Pending/listed." I have put this information on the county page but am temporarily leaving the actual refnum in the table with the incorrect value. It looks as if the New York cemetery needs to be removed. I marked the Talk page for the New York cemetery as "needs-infobox=no" to get it off the list of articles needing infobox. Unless someone shows that I am incorrect, I will remove the New York cemetery after waiting a week. If someone else wishes to do it sooner, go ahead. KudzuVine ( talk) 23:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/articles, I was surprised to see thirty-eight lists that I had created appear here. Not surprised that some of them showed up — but why only thirty-eight when I created ninety? I've just produced List of Indiana state historical markers, and because all of its county-level sublists them have at least one phrase that appears on User:AlexNewArtBot/NRHP (each one links to the county's NR list), I don't understand why the bot didn't include the other fifty-two. Nyttend ( talk) 14:07, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Two images were fetched to Commons from a Flickr user who uploads NRHP images. I've been waiting for more to show up but none have. Is there a list somewhere to point out Flickr images that are useful to the project? Or are images uploaded by their owner preferred? 71.234.215.133 ( talk) 04:50, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
If you search on Flickr using "NRHP" with the advanced search set to Creative Commons (near bottom of page)
Only search within Creative Commons-licensed content
you get 17,000 some images.
Decided to check the "National Register of Historic Places" group and check the same boxes and I'm being told that Flickr has some hiccups. (Would I lie to you?)
But that group has 111,866 (a tiny minority of which are freely licensed) Smallbones ( talk) 22:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
Cc-by-sa-3.0}}
(more at
Category:Creative Commons copyright templates). --
Redrose64 (
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00:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)Last July I challenged the Project to fully-illustrate the List of RHPs in DC and to get the red-links out of the lists in time for Wikimania in DC this July. There are now 6 sites left to be photographed, one of which mysteriously appears only one weekend each year (May 4&5 this year). There are about 26 red-links left.
With the nice Spring weather, I hope to get 5 of the 6 remaining pix within a couple of weeks, but feel free to beat me to it!
I'll also be at the National Cathedral on Friday, May 4 about 5-6 pm, if not before, snapping horses, zebras, camels, and maybe an elephant or giraffe. If anybody wants to meet me there, I'll buy the first round of brews. (I'll be the handsome guy with the camera). That will leave the red links and article creation - any help appreciated. For a summary of what's needed see Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/unillustrated DC. Thanks (especially to Users Farragutful and SlowKing) Smallbones ( talk) 21:10, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Of the 2300+ pages listed on the on Category:NRISref errors, over half are the NRHP county lists. The problem may in the NRHP header template. Is this a glitch in the header or an unintended problem problem? Or does each of the pages have to corrected manually? If that is the case, what needs to be done? KudzuVine ( talk) 12:22, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
As mentioned above, I found some discrepancies in various NHL counts. There is one I've not been able to explain: in Alaska, the Old Sitka Site is listed in Focus (#66000166) as an NHL, and is found on Alaska's NHL list. However it is not in NHL database search results for Sitka. Magic ♪piano 14:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
As I am running through the old delistings trying to do some cleanup, I ran into an odd listing. On the weekly listing for January 14, 2000, there is a delisting for the K.G. McRae House in Hempstead County, Arkansas (second line), originally listed in 1976. On closer inspection, the line above it also lists new addition for a McRae House, with a listed date of 1982, a full 18 years later! What I can't figure out is if these two sites are the same building with a relocation, the delisted entry was in fact a duplication of the first one, or if they're entirely separate facilities. Any thoughts? 25or6to4 ( talk) 16:02, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
For those that like to keep ahead, there are two weeks of pending listings available at:
I'm not sure why the links aren't on the nps site itself yet. At least I know now why the March 10, 2012 link hasn't worked for the last 2 weeks. The page was named for March 9! Which makes more sense since that's a Friday. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Border Town ‖ 17:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
In crosschecking counts in List of U.S. National Historic Landmarks by state against the March NHL list, I noticed some new listings. They are apparently all described in this press release, which lists 13 new NHLs. Articles for some of them have been marked, but not all NHL lists and counts have been updated. (I coordinated the counts from some state lists with that list, but still have discrepant counts to resolve that are not explained by the addition of new listings.) Please exercise caution in adding one to list counts... Magic ♪piano 04:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Now that we've gotten ourselves out from under last Friday's huge, unexpected but welcome dump of new NHLs, there are also 12 new noms under consideration. As I have been trying to do, here's what's coming and what we have:
Also, Hamilton Grange in Manhattan will get updated documentation and a boundary change.
Interesting bunch. Glad to see we'll get more in NY. Interesting bit with the covered bridges ... are they trying to make up for the destruction of the Old Blenheim Bridge in Hurricane Irene last year. Daniel Case ( talk) 00:06, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I just want to throw out an Idea/question for the NRHP infobox. I have been trying to make an infobox for an historic district that shows all the buildings in a mini format not just a map. Kinda like how {{{Infobox ethnic group}}} example of the infobox on Korean American has multiple images kinda like this one of St. Louis, Missouri. The problem is when I add the images the words come up "[[file:" and so on, the example is on User:Pwojdacz/sandbox. Is there a way to add multiple images for specifically in a historic districts besides making/uploading a collage image. If there is a consensus I would be glad to offer assistance on this. Pwojdacz ( talk) 23:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
|HDimage1=
, |HDimage2=
, etc. This would work kind of like the |district_map=
parameter we already have.. when an editor sets something to district_map, the regular location map is suppressed. We could make it so that HDimagen suppresses the regular image display and puts a collage there. I could work up something in the
infobox sandbox if there's enough interest.--
Dudemanfellabra (
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02:26, 31 March 2012 (UTC)I've just spent about an hour or two trying to clean up our "Editor help" page to make it not look like a data dump. In doing so, I overhauled the state-level resources found on that page to be navigable via table instead of having to scroll. Changing that also reduced the size of the TOC substantially. I also removed two (IMO horribly formatted) pages that were transcluded there – Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/ProgressOnRHPsByState and Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/ProgressOnNHLsByState – both of which show "progress" we've made creating articles. They say they're manually updated, but the NRHP one hasn't been edited since July 2010, and only recently has User:Magicpiano found the NHL one (before which it hadn't been edited since 2010 either).
I don't think they need to be on the Editor help page regardless, but they are still linked from the main project page, down at the bottom under Miscellaneous links. My question to the project is this: Should we keep these pages around and actively display them? I'm not suggesting deleting them (although I wouldn't oppose it), but at least we could remove them from the front page if they're not very active. If we do decide to keep them, I think the formatting (especially those deplorable dashed, colored borders) should be changed, and they just need a thorough cleaning/update. Anyone else have an opinion on the matter? If no one objects, I'll go ahead and remove them from the front page.-- Dudemanfellabra ( talk) 20:21, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
I just created WP:NRHPFAQ and linked it on the project page. Included are a list of some of the most common questions I see come up here. If anyone has any questions they would like to add, feel free. I've also placed a move request on Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Editor help to move it to Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Resources since that's a more reflective title.
On the FAQ list, I've included all the NRIS codes (DR, LI, BI, etc.) and a brief explanation of them. Some of the codes, however, I didn't know how to explain, so I left a (Explanation needed) beside them. If anyone knows the exact use of these codes, please fill them in. Thanks!-- Dudemanfellabra ( talk) 17:22, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Would you please take a look at Talk:Petroglyph Point Archeological Site see if the article fits into the NRHP project and if the importance scale is appropriate? Thank you ... -- Bobjgalindo ( talk) 23:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I added (and continue adding) a number of photos to the lists, and I somehow discovered that in many cases the coordinates are plain wrong, meaning they point out to a different (often arbitrary) location. My example from today was this, but generally I have seen many such examples (specifically, I worked on Riverside and Santa Barbara Counties, CA, Clark County, NV, and I noticed some discrepancies when looking at the list of Essex County, MA). I may have more examples after my visit to New England over the weekend. Is is a systemic problem, or am I just unlucky with choosing objects someone made typos in? What was the origin of the coordinates in the lists? Should smth be done about them?-- Ymblanter ( talk) 17:36, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone! I just wanted to follow up with your project and see if any article creations or improvements took place in regards to Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month! If so, it'd be great if you could please post your article outcomes on the..you guessed it...WWHM outcome page! Thanks everyone for all your efforts! Sarah ( talk) 20:54, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_National Register of Historic_Places/Style guide#NRIS_reference lists a citation format for NRIS listings which points them all to http://www.nr.nps.gov/ - a broken link. Even when that site was working at that URL, there was no means to link directly to one specific record in the manner (for instance) that the radio/TV station query templates use.
I'd raised the issue on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/U.S._Route_66#National_Register_of_Historic_Places_database.3F after being blasted on WP:RS grounds for attempting to use a third-party website instead of NPS directly for an NRHS-listed US route 66 restored motel but it seems we have many existing articles sourced to "nr.nps.gov [dead link]" which are at least as problematic in that anything created per the style guide is going to [dead link] on the first reference listed (as this gets hit right away, in the infobox for the page).
Perhaps something like the broadcast template {{ tvq}}: [http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call={{{1}}} Query the FCC's TV station database for {{{1}}}] should be created with {{nris}}: [http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov NRHP reference #{{{1}}}] on the [[National Register of Historic Places]]
The parameter would be for display only, at least until such time as the NPS ever creates something to which we can link for one record directly, but a standardised template would mean that any change to the URL (ie: nr.nps.gov → nrhp.focus.nps.gov) would only require one edit (to a template) instead of breaking links on every article for every site on the entire National Register. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 18:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
|refnum=
thing, the NRIS database does not allow one to point directly to an individual entry in the database. The refnum parameter would do nothing for that template. That's one of the reasons why the NRIS is occasionally disliked by the community at large.--
Dudemanfellabra (
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04:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)Think this is under our scope? If so, how should I assess its importance? I put an {{ advertisement}} tag on it because it sounds like it's ripped straight from some pamphlet (though I couldn't find any obvious copyvio). What do you guys think?-- Dudemanfellabra ( talk) 15:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_National Register of Historic_Places/Style guide#NRIS_reference lists a citation format for NRIS listings which points them all to http://www.nr.nps.gov/ - a broken link. Even when that site was working at that URL, there was no means to link directly to one specific record in the manner (for instance) that the radio/TV station query templates use.
I'd raised the issue on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/U.S._Route_66#National_Register_of_Historic_Places_database.3F after being blasted on WP:RS grounds for attempting to use a third-party website instead of NPS directly for an NRHS-listed US route 66 restored motel but it seems we have many existing articles sourced to "nr.nps.gov [dead link]" which are at least as problematic in that anything created per the style guide is going to [dead link] on the first reference listed (as this gets hit right away, in the infobox for the page).
Perhaps something like the broadcast template {{ tvq}}: [http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call={{{1}}} Query the FCC's TV station database for {{{1}}}] should be created with {{nris}}: [http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov NRHP reference #{{{1}}}] on the [[National Register of Historic Places]]
The parameter would be for display only, at least until such time as the NPS ever creates something to which we can link for one record directly, but a standardised template would mean that any change to the URL (ie: nr.nps.gov → nrhp.focus.nps.gov) would only require one edit (to a template) instead of breaking links on every article for every site on the entire National Register. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 18:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
|refnum=
thing, the NRIS database does not allow one to point directly to an individual entry in the database. The refnum parameter would do nothing for that template. That's one of the reasons why the NRIS is occasionally disliked by the community at large.--
Dudemanfellabra (
talk)
04:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)Think this is under our scope? If so, how should I assess its importance? I put an {{ advertisement}} tag on it because it sounds like it's ripped straight from some pamphlet (though I couldn't find any obvious copyvio). What do you guys think?-- Dudemanfellabra ( talk) 15:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
This weekend, I created two state-specific template categories for NRHP articles; One for North Dakota, and one for Arkansas. Unfortunatley, I don't think they'd qualify New articles and pictures chapter. Am I wrong? ---- DanTD ( talk) 22:19, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
This page appears to be exceeding the template limit (see the bottom of the page). If the rest of Louisville was moved to its own page, that should fix the issue. Should anyone be feeling ambitious... :) --‖ Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 17:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Having recently been working on some NHL lists, I had occasion to read the failed FLC nomination for the New York NHL list. A specific objection was raised concerning the inclusion of non-NHL park service areas as a separate table of entries, and the nomination was seemingly failed in part for this reason. (I note that the featured Indiana list excludes a separate section, which would contain George Rogers Clark National Historical Park, and the featured Michigan list entire fails to mention Keweenaw National Historical Park, the only historical NPS unit in Michigan. Alabama, whose NHL list is also featured, has no historic NPS units.)
I then came across the following observation: When the NHL registry was established in 1960, Interior policy was established that park service units were not per se eligible for inclusion in the NHL registry. (Those with JSTOR access can read the relevant detail at JSTOR 10.1525/tph.2007.29.2.81, footnote on p. 90.) This policy effectively grandfathers out of the NHL registry all "historic" units of the park service established before then -- NHLs may still become units of the park service, but not vice versa.
The question (and I will invite participants in the failed NY list nomination to weigh in here) is whether this policy is a sufficient reason to include non-NHL "historic" NPS units on featured NHL lists (in a separate section, as in the NY list). (Unfortunately User:Doncram, who prosecuted the NY list FLC, is presently blocked, which may impede his input on the matter...)
I have added language to List of National Historic Landmarks in Massachusetts explaining this, and used of a header that I think might be appropriate for meaningfully describing the section. Editors should feel free to comment here or at Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks in Massachusetts on the specifics of language and format. Magic ♪piano 18:21, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_National Register of Historic_Places/Style guide#NRIS_reference lists a citation format for NRIS listings which points them all to http://www.nr.nps.gov/ - a broken link. Even when that site was working at that URL, there was no means to link directly to one specific record in the manner (for instance) that the radio/TV station query templates use.
I'd raised the issue on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/U.S._Route_66#National_Register_of_Historic_Places_database.3F after being blasted on WP:RS grounds for attempting to use a third-party website instead of NPS directly for an NRHS-listed US route 66 restored motel but it seems we have many existing articles sourced to "nr.nps.gov [dead link]" which are at least as problematic in that anything created per the style guide is going to [dead link] on the first reference listed (as this gets hit right away, in the infobox for the page).
Perhaps something like the broadcast template {{ tvq}}: [http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call={{{1}}} Query the FCC's TV station database for {{{1}}}] should be created with {{nris}}: [http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov NRHP reference #{{{1}}}] on the [[National Register of Historic Places]]
The parameter would be for display only, at least until such time as the NPS ever creates something to which we can link for one record directly, but a standardised template would mean that any change to the URL (ie: nr.nps.gov → nrhp.focus.nps.gov) would only require one edit (to a template) instead of breaking links on every article for every site on the entire National Register. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 18:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
|refnum=
thing, the NRIS database does not allow one to point directly to an individual entry in the database. The refnum parameter would do nothing for that template. That's one of the reasons why the NRIS is occasionally disliked by the community at large.--
Dudemanfellabra (
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04:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)