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Should List of Super Bowl jersey colors worn be nominated for deletion? There are no sources and jersey colors are not important at all. This is a completely trivial list. – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:37, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
The PROD's been removed with only 2 days left by some do-gooder who wants to see a "full deletion discussion". So now we're stuck with this idocy for at least another week. Send to AFD? - BilCat ( talk) 07:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to comment on the annual All-Pro navboxes at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_February_22#NFL_All-Pro_Team_navboxes.— Bagumba ( talk) 10:43, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Hey guys so I'm working on making navboxes for the AP All-Pro first team since the merger (1970). Well as I was creating 1982 and 1983, I got the titles mixed up. I tried to move them, but because they are each others titles, it won't let me. Can someone fix this? Thanks, Royals Life 22:01, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Lizard thanks, it's fixed now. Royals Life 22:12, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Lizard can you check and make sure everything looks good? I've made over 100 edits today so I might not catch everything haha. Royals Life 22:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
@ RoyalsLife and Lizard the Wizard: As a followup to the #All-Pro navboxes thread above, is there a compelling reason to keep these given the clutter they can create?— Bagumba ( talk) 09:44, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
I have to agree with Lizard on how we do it in the infoboxes. On the subject of the navboxes, I personally like them for research. In a way, getting rid of those would be like getting rid of the Super Bowl champions navbox. For a guy like Tom Brady with five, that kinda adds clutter. I say keep them and it was time consuming making them, so they would feel like a waste if we delete them. Royals Life 15:45, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Lizard I guess so. I'm not doing anything before 1970 which means only Jerry Rice, Anthony Muñoz, Bruce Smith, Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, John Hannah, Ray Lewis, Peyton Manning, Bruce Matthews, Mike Singletary, and Randy White would have more than 6+. That's only 11 guys compared to the hundreds that make the team. Making the team is in fact considered a big honor. Royals Life 16:27, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
There was a discussion back in 2007 ( here), that didn’t go very well as far as I’m concerned and perhaps 11 years later we can maybe finally get this right moving forward.
The case in question is, should a player who has never appeared in a season game, although being signed to a contract, and/or playing in preseason but being cut before the season starts, should have the merits (categories etc) of what a player who has played in a game should have. As far as I know, one has to have played in an official game to be considered “notable”; therefore if a bio has done nothing else to be considered notable, their article probably would not exist. Somebody like Brock Lesnar for example, has an existing article because he is notable in other fields not related to football. Therefore, I do not think it is appropriate for people like him to be categorized as an American football player. Thoughts please. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 19:24, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
I noticed there is confusion on Ricky Williams's page. NFL.com lists him as on the Dolphins 2006 roster while he was suspended. People don't want include the 2006 season in his infobox because he also played in Canada that season. He was on the Dolphins roster which led to the whole thing with Joe Theismann saying that they (Toronto) shouldn't play an addict and a player still on an NFL roster. This means that the 2006 season should in fact be included in the infobox. If not, then players like Josh Gordon's infobox should be changed so that it doesn't include the 2015 and 2016 seasons. Royals Life 16:35, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
PeeJay He was on the reserve/injured list just like Josh Gordon, Aldon Smith, and Randy Gregory. I'll change the infobox then Royals Life 18:00, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
Do we need a playing position
parameter for articles like
Matt Daniels? seems suboptional to put both the coaching and playing positions in the same arg.
Frietjes (
talk) 00:47, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
From 2014 to 2016, the Pro Bowl game was between two teams picked by captains, so I get where Category:Unconferenced Pro Bowl players came from. However, isn't it more historically significant which conference the player was picked from, not which team they actually played on? Also pinging WikiOriginal-9, who created the category.— Bagumba ( talk) 11:20, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
How far down the totem pole do we want to go with which coaching staff positions to include in the infobox? See Kevin Mawae. He was hired as an "offensive analyst" by ASU. What that entails is anyone's guess. For all we know he's a shoe shiner. " Mawae and former ASU quarterback Danny White will be analysts in 2017-18, a role White also held last season. Herm Edwards also is expected to add several more analysts or consultants." Note that Danny White's infobox makes no mention of this, nor does the rest of his article for that matter. This is a college hire but I'm asking here since it's also relevant to the NFL. What's Brian Dawkins' role as "executive of football operations for player development" for the Eagles? And is that role significant enough to have the infobox display him as a member of the team? And even include a highlight in his already jam-packed infobox that he's a Super Bowl champion in this capacity? Did he even get a ring? (And before someone makes me look dumb, the first and last questions are rhetorical.) I think we need to draw a line somewhere. Lizard ( talk) 08:54, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Template:Pro Football Hall of Fame members has been added to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 March 20#Template:Pro Football Hall of Fame members. Feel free to comment. – Sabbatino ( talk) 17:26, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Template:Pittsburgh Steelers Team MVP, Template:Rams Rookie of the Year, and Template:Rams MVP have been added to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 March 21#Template:Pittsburgh Steelers Team MVP and after. Feel free to comment. – Royals Life 02:47, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
We've had this same discussion a year ago, but it doesn't appear that it was ever resolved. How should we list players' careers who were suspended for a full year or more (e.g. Josh Gordon, Ricky Williams)? The argument against including their suspended years is that they weren't active and didn't play. The argument for inclusion, suspended or not, is that they were on the team's roster, the same as a player who may have missed an entire season on IR (e.g Kevin White). Thoughts? (pinging Crash Underride as we have different opinions on this.) Jauerback dude?/ dude. 18:20, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Unless I'm reading it wrong, it looks like (so far) we're all pretty much in agreement. Jauerback dude?/ dude. 13:29, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Unless I'm missing it, I don't think we cover the NFL's ongoing catch rule debate anywhere on Wikipedia despite the exhaustive attention it's gotten over the better part of the past decade and especially during this year's playoffs. Not on American football rules. Not on Reception (gridiron football). Not on Completion (American football) nor Incomplete pass (which should probably be merged together). Not on National Football League controversies. But I'd say it's worth its own article. Just throwing that out there if anyone wants to catch it (but make sure you maintain possession throughout the process of going to the ground). Lizard ( talk) 01:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Template:Steve Largent Award has been added to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 March 21#Template:Steve Largent Award. Feel free to comment. – Royals Life 03:01, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
I nominated Template:Philadelphia Eagles Pro Football Hall of Famers, Template:Green Bay Packers Hall of Famers, and Template:Buffalo Bills Hall of Famers for deletion. They aren't necessary and cause clutter because there is the regular Hall of Fame template and people can navigate from that. I don't see a reason for keeping them especially when there's only these three. If we keep them, we need to make one for the other 27 (being that the Jaguars and Texans don't have any yet). See Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 March 28#Template:Buffalo Bills Hall of Famers and after. Feel free to comment. – Royals Life 22:45, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
There a few more unaccounted for at Category:Pro Football Hall of Fame navigational boxes. Another option is to nominate the rest as a group once a clear consensus is established with this initial wave.— Bagumba ( talk) 15:08, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
There is some controversy on Ken Norton Jr.'s page. Right now his one week stint as the 49ers assistant head coach is in his infobox. Some people are removing it and then others are saying that it should be there. I'm not really sure it should be there since it was only for one week AND he never contributed to the team because OTAs and training camp hadn't even started. – Royals Life 18:29, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
A proposal has been made to delete Portal:NFL (and all other portals) at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC: Ending the system of portals. What are folks views on the NFL portal? It doesn't appear to have been maintained or updated since it was created by User:Jj98 in 2012 (Jj98 retired from Wikipedia in 2017). Do folks think it is useful? Did people even know it existed? (I didn't.) Even if the broader RfC fails, should Portal:NFL be deleted? Alternatively, would anyone want to volunteer to update and maintain it? Cbl62 ( talk) 16:07, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
There is an RfC at the Kate Mara article talk page members of this project might interested in taking part in here. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 02:37, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
So recently we decided to omit the visibility of any entry in the |number=
parameter if the team one is set to free agent. I'll add that we should also do the same to the |status=
parameter, because it shouldn't be shown if a player isn't under contract with any team. ~
Dissident93 (
talk) 01:19, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
User:ZappaOMati has been creating navboxes for the Bears' historical draft picks by year. See 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1940, 1941 Bears Draft Picks. These are in addition to such navboxes as Bears first round draft picks and 1941 first round draft picks (navboxes which I have no quarrel with). Is there a consensus that year-by-year, team-by-team draft templates are desirable? I may be in the minority on this, but being one of the Bears' 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1940 draft picks is not even remotely close to being a defining characteristic, and such navboxes serve no useful navigational purpose and are a source of growing navbox clutter. Tom Harmon, Bulldog Turner, and Joe Stydahar really don't need 12th/13th navboxes identifying them as a Bears 1941/1938/1939 draft picks. What do others think? Cbl62 ( talk) 20:01, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm strongly in favor of keeping the team's yearly draft class navboxes. I can't speak for everyone, but I've found those navboxes to be very useful. You can easily navigate/link to a teams' entire draft class in a selected year through those navboxes. I strongly disagree that a team's draft class in a partiicular year is "not even remotely close to being a defining characteristic." That is just plain false. A team's yearly draft class is certainly a defining characteristic. I mean even a draft's "QB class" is often used as a defining characteristic like the famous 1983 QB draft class with Elway, Marino, and Kelly. Edday1051 ( talk) 02:09, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
I notice on some pages ( Robert Mathis, Sam Bradford, etc.), we include their injured season in the stat table and put DNP — Injured. Do we really need to include it? Also, Tanner Lee's college stat table is kinda weird. He redshirted his freshman year, played two year then had to sit out due to transfer rules. Is that relevant? It just takes up space and doesn't really do anything. Dissident93, Lizard, Bagumba, Sabbatino, and WikiOriginal-9 what do you guys think? — Royals Life 01:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
This is an unreferenced BLP and should be fixed or deleted. Perhaps someone here can find some sources. Johnuniq ( talk) 01:55, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
is there a guideline on which colleges are listed in the nfl infobox? It appears the standard is you only list the most recent college the player attended/played for. Russell Wilson is one of the few that has both colleges he attended listed. I'm generally in favor of just listing the most recent college as that college would be the one listed in any draft analysis, but I'm not opposed to including other colleges in the case of grad transfers. Wilson did graduate from NC State and played there for 4 years prior to transferring to Wisconsin. To clarify, I would only be in favor of listing additional colleges in the case of grad transfers. Edday1051 ( talk) 19:29, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Hey everybody. I know it was discussed earlier this year to make the high school parameter in NFL pages more like NBA names, however multiple editors are still using the old way and are even oblivious to it changing to the couple I've brought up to. I'm not setting out to edit these pages but just in my normal editing I'm trying to convert it to the new consensus when I see one with the old way. I was just hoping everybody can do the same thing that will be extremely helpful!!--Rockchalk 7 17 05:44, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Undrafted free agents(UDFA) who have been officially signed to a contract should have their pages reflect that in having that team added to their team history in the infobox. Along with other corresponding changes to reflect they are no longer a free agent and are officially signed to an NFL team. On the other hand, there are UDFA who have not been signed to a contract, but have been invited to a rookie camp on a tryout basis. These players are not under contract and are technically still free agents and their player pages should remain as if they are free agents and the NFL team's rookie camp they are attending should not be added to the player's career history section. I corrected this on John O'Korn's page last week and it looks like the same mistake was made with Malik Zaire. In fairness, according to this source: [1], Zaire was signed by the Jaguars, but it looks like it was solely based on a tweet by Matt Freeman, but I could not find any official source confirming this nor was Zaire added to the official Jaguars roster on jaguars.com. I found another source here: [2], saying Zaire is a tryout participant at the rookie camp. So even some sources will get this wrong, so I suggest double checking the official roster and other sources, preferably one directly from the team. Edday1051 ( talk) 20:03, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
In the NFL draft lists I noticed that there are several differences between the early and late formats to the lists on wikipedia. Also, wouldn't it be easier to convert the links to the colleges to the Template:Cfb link format. If it already has, or in the future will have a link to the season page it will automatically link it to it, and a bot will clean up the link. Most football programs without a program page will at least have a redirect to the athletic program or institution. This seems like a much easier option than the redundant links on pages such as the 1936 draft page.-- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 19:22, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
His article says Middleton, Wisconsin, which this RS says [3]. However we have another WP RS [4] that says Madison, Wisconsin. To top things off, we have the New York Daily News saying [5] he was born in Mineola, New York while his father Al Toon was playing for the New York Jets. The third makes some sense, and I've seen other instances of reliable sources confusing the town a person went to HS at with the place they were born. I'd like to hear some other opinions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:20, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
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On the page Marcel Reece, UW Dawgs keeps adding an additional year to his infobox. He played for the Seahawks during the 2016 season. He then re-signed for the 2017 season but was cut before the regular season started. UW Dawgs is adding
Reece already has ↓ from playing with them the year before. We usually don't include the season they aren't on the active roster.
Example: Robbie Gould — Royals Life 00:58, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
On July 28, 2017, Reece was re-signed by the Seahawks.[9] He was released on September 2, 2017.[10]
These types of tenures are less significant for most players, and should be removed. Per
WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE, the point of an infobox is to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored). The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.
—
Bagumba (
talk) 15:14, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
It's either the case that this is WP:FANCRUFT for the infobox, or all the other sports projects are blind and have this wrong. This is also the same project where it is customary to have week-by-week stat lines in prose for bios like Tom Brady.— Bagumba ( talk) 15:51, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
What is everyone's opinion on articles like this: Green Bay Packers draft history? At first glance, it is WP:LISTCRUFT to me. We have consistently noted that first round draft picks are notable as a group, as they are routinely discussed in sources together (such as List of Green Bay Packers first-round draft picks), but very few sources discuss every draft pick a team has ever made in the same source (except sources that just list team data). I am inclined to WP:AFD it, but wanted to hear some opinions first. Thanks, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:27, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps try redirecting pages like Green Bay Packers draft history to Green Bay Packers first-round draft picks. If there is any subsequent objection, we can proceed to AfD. It does seem like a valid search term.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:45, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Edday1051 ( talk · contribs) and I cannot agree on the following issue, so I'm asking for additional opinions. The labeling scheme of high schools in our NFL player infobox so far has been city (state) school name, for instance
Very often, however, the city name is part of the school's "common name". So far, we handled these cases like this:
If the high school name is basically the city name only, we just wrote
The issue between Edday1051 ( talk · contribs) and me is now about Paramus Catholic High School in Paramus, New Jersey. Should the label in Jabrill Peppers' and Rashan Gary's infobox be
or
This is a matter of preferred style as much as it is about consistency, so please leave you comments. -- bender235 ( talk) 20:32, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Dissident93 that the current <city> (<state>) <school name> format used in football inboxes is unnecessarily cryptic. Aside from niche followers of the national high school football scene, this format is non-intuitive. Non-football fans who attended the high school wouldn't be familiar with the format. Take Josh Rosen, soon to be in the NFL. He went to St. John Bosco High School in Bellflower, California, but his infobox lists "Bellflower (CA) St. John Bosco". Now if anyone asks me which HS I went to, I mention the HS name, not the city and state first. UCLA's website lists Rosen's HS as "St. John Bosco" [10]. MaxPreps' last football poll lists the school as "St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA)". [11] <school name> (<city>, <state>) would be so much more intuitive to the average reader, and avoids issues like above whether to repeat the city name or not. It is also the WP format used in basketball bios. Keep it simple, for readers and editors alike.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:19, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm with Bagumba; this is unnecessarily convoluted. I would also add that the manual of style recommends against the use of postal abbreviations such as NJ in text and in infoboxes. That's not writ, but we shouldn't depart from it unless there's a great reason to do so. If this convention is based on Miami then I'd call that a doubtful precedent. That's a strange situation, where the real world disambiguates with OH, usually "Miami of Ohio" when spoken, to avoid the ambiguity. Mackensen (talk) 05:45, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
I think I'm in agreement with Dissident et al as well. Another wrinkle to consider: much of my relevant editing on this point concerns the infoboxes of the college sports coaches, principally college football coaches. I've generally followed the form of the school name with "High School" abbreviated to "HS" and then the state code in parenthesis attached to the end. See: Hayden Fry, Gerry Faust, and Len Casanova for some examples. In this context, I think it makes sense to explicitly convey high schools with the "HS" to differentiate them from college and pro teams. Rikster2 has objected to the my use of parenthetical state codes in this manner for college basketball coaches on at least one occasion, offering that it's a "football thing". Whatever the case, we should come up with a unified scheme to represent high school in the contexts of all sports. Jweiss11 ( talk) 20:27, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Agree with Edday1051. Few high schools are nationally known, and even then it would be by niche, diehard, national high school football fanatics. Without the added context of city and state, we may as well remove high schools from infoboxes altogether. However, my preference remains to list the HS with format <high_school_name> (<city>, <nonabbrev_state>) It's the same format already used in basketball articles. It's also not much longer than the existing football format, which is generally <city> (<abbrev_state>) <high_school_name>— Bagumba ( talk) 15:28, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Well we're in a pickle. Looks like everyone agrees the current format needs to go. But from what I gather:
I just wanna see it changed but ideally I also think we should list just the school name. Crash Underride, Jweiss11, Mackensen, and Rikster2 have also commented but haven't taken a side. Lizard ( talk) 21:12, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
At some point we should start implementing the new scheme. We do agree, as I see it, on the basic scheme of School name (city, state), as in
but we still have to come to an agreement on the city-named schools. Is it
As mentioned before, I prefer the latter. But my #1 goal here is to simply establish a consistent scheme. -- bender235 ( talk) 16:09, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
After lots of discussion above, it seems useful to have a poll to see where we stand on listing high schools. Please !vote on one of the options below in its respective section, or feel free to add a new option.— Bagumba ( talk) 10:46, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Do not unnecessarily make a reader chase links.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:39, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Comment So what was the rationale for using a parenthetical state code for colleges, but not for high schools? Seems it's more needed for high schools given that they are intrinsically lesser-known than colleges. Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:15, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
If we agree that the consensus is to go with the format of <school> (<city>, <state>), the optimization questions would be whether to alter anything if the city is already in the school name, and whether the state should be abbreviated or not.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:34, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and made changes to Tom Brady, Todd Gurley, and Aaron Donald per consensus above. Let's see if there is any remaining feedback.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:50, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
All, I just created Packers sweep (after like three years of wanting to do it). If anyone has a minute to review/copyedit, I would greatly appreciate it. I would love to take it to WP:GA someday, but having never worked on GAs before, it would be awesome to have some input before I nominate it. Thanks! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:21, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
I just ran into a problem with statistics at nfl.com which I'm not sure what to do about. See Talk:Rob Ninkovich#Touchdowns by Ninkovich. In short, I think the stats line for 2014 for Ninkovich is incorrect, and I'm looking for an alternate source so I can fix the stats on the Wikipedia page - at the moment, I've convinced myself that the current values are incorrect. Any ideas on where else to find stats, or how to get nfl.com to take a second look at their own stats? Tarl N. ( discuss) 04:57, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
I don't necessarily want to submit this as an official move discussion, I just would like some input. So after Patrick Mahomes was drafted, I moved the page to include his suffix because it had appeared initially the Chiefs would include his suffix. Well, a little over a year later, they aren't listing the suffix and his jersey doesn't include it. So I went to move the page, but then I got to thinking right before I submitted it, should we keep the suffix to prevent confusion with his father's page or would the distinguish header be sufficient?--Rockchalk 7 17 04:52, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Just a heads up, but it appears recent updates for various team websites ( Redskins and 49ers, maybe more) have broken the old external link URLs for on player's pages, and should be updated with the new links manually rather than archiving the old versions. I'm personally going to fix the Redskins' players links, but if this is some league issued mandate to standardize website links, then we may have to find a way to automate doing this for the other teams. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 04:23, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
So I have a question. For players who have unofficially retired or are highly unlikely to ever play again (looking at Kam Chancellor), but officially remain on the team's roster via reserve lists they can't be activated off of until the next league year, would it make sense to consider them retired/off the team in the lead and infobox, whilst keeping them in the team roster navboxes? ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 14:44, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Regardless of where your opinion may stand on this proposal, please note an ongoing discussion regarding a merge proposal that falls under the purview of this WikiProject. Any input to help determine consensus would be appreciated: Talk:Green Bay Packers#Merge proposal. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:52, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
I added some information to this topics talk page but I did not want to edit the topic. The information relates to who owned the team. I included a link that lists George E. Muehlebach as the owner. I have had a few books in the past that also listed him as the owner but I no longer have them and can't remember the books names so that its difficult to find sources online. But, you are free to add the information or use it to maybe find more information about this online. I have put in a question with one of the citys libraries but other than this, I can't really be of further service. It seems the NFL itself doesn't have the information. So, if you can verify the info, you might just get something from the NFL to say thanks.
/info/en/?search=Talk:Kansas_City_Blues/Cowboys Armorbeast ( talk) 04:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
I was updating the high schools to the new format and was updating the pages of Crespi Carmelite alumni. I updated Devin Lucien's page with no issues. I get to Randy Cross and the same exact edit seems to have broken the page. I'm not sure if this is only happening on my end, but if it's happening with everyone else, you guys can see that the infobox sections have empty space. Can anyone can confirm that you guys see this and if you do, can you figure out why it's happening. I even reverted my edit and it remains the same. I'm pretty sure my edit is what caused it, but weirdly I go to older versions of the page, and the same issue is present. It's very odd. I copy and pasted a different nfl infobox on the same page, and the same things happens, so it seems it's the issue is happening on these specific pages. Same thing is happening with Christian Fauria, Hroniss Grasu, Chris Harper, Babe Laufenberg, and a couple of other Crespi Carmelite alumni pages. Edday1051 ( talk) 18:16, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:History_of_the_Portsmouth_Spartans#Shoe_Steels
I added the information with links. It's up to you guys if you want to add the information to the topic. It's worth discussion.
Armorbeast ( talk) 11:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
We have a problem. I am sure some of you are aware of constant reverting on Saquon Barkley's page regarding his height. The problem is that neither side is wrong, because both 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) (sources: NFL.com, NFL Combine) and 5 ft 11 in (1.80 m) (source: Giants.com) are easily verifiable. How do we deal with this? – Sabbatino ( talk) 16:08, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Someone had converted this article to a marginally notable basketball player three years ago. I moved that content to Zeke Moore (basketball) and restored the football content, but wanted to ask that someone from this project go in and address the multiple issues with the article. Surprising that this could go on for three years without anyone noticing. Rikster2 ( talk) 12:31, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
This requested move may be of interest to the members of this project. Lepricavark ( talk) 00:28, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
This page was moved from Brett Maher (gridiron football) which might be OK, but I'm not sure if the new disambiguation should capitalize both words. It seems as if "American football" is more commonly used for cases like this, but figured I'd ask here to see if that's really the case. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
As a member of this WikiProject, I am restoring it to active status, prior to the beginning of the 2018 season, which looks to be an interesting one for the Niners. Cheers! Jusdafax ( talk) 16:27, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
I imagine this has been brought up before, but I would like to propose that WP:NFL formally mark all of the team-based sub-projects with {{ Historic}}. The only sub-project with any semblance of activity is the Green Bay Packers WikiProject, mostly because I and a few others keep it alive. I have moved WP:PACKERS to a "related WikiProject" on the NFL page instead of a sub-project and am happy to continue maintaining it and keeping it going. However, after reviewing the other sub-projects, I think it would be best if we move forward and archive them. None of them have had any real activity for years. Marking them as historic would be the easy part, but the next part would be nominating all of the associated templates and WikiProject-categories for deletion.
Many may wonder why I think think this is important. Having started and restarted WP:PACKERS, I can tell you how much time and effort it takes to get everything organized, tagged, and cleaned-up to make it all work. If we get new editors to WP:NFL, I would much rather they focus on improving NFL pages for whatever team they like, instead of spending a lot of time trying to restart a sub-project.
For a list of which projects I am discussing, see Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League#Individual projects. Note that I was bold and tagged the Defunct teams and Referee sub-projects as {{ Historic}} because neither sub-project had any real activity (articles weren't tagged with a banner template). Interested to see what everyone's opinion is. Thanks for considering. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi! So I know almost nothing about football and the NFL but I've taken an interest in the Vontae Davis article after the recent events at the Bills game. I've been trying to clean it up and add sources. I think it's gone a little past start class (its current assessment, but that was for the article as it stood in mid-2009), and its importance to the WikiProject hasn't been assessed yet (I would say maybe... mid based on y'all's subpage with the guidelines for importance). Was wondering if someone could hop on over and re-evaluate the article so I have a better sense of what I can be doing. cymru.lass ( talk • contribs) 00:53, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Just want to let everybody know that Frauwa ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has changed the information in the "Pre-draft measurables" tables on various players' pages. I did not look through all of them, but there are differences from the officially announced results by the NFL. – Sabbatino ( talk) 11:05, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Let's do a case-by-case analysis of sources wherever you see fit. I have relied on the official NFL Combine numbers. In cases where players did better at the Pro Day, I have used those numbers, although the official combine measurables have usually been lend primacy, stemming from an assumption of superior testing equipment at the combine. So, all the changes have been sourced and originate with the NFL. I am happily willing to discuss any changes with anyone. - Frauwa —Preceding undated comment added 11:21, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
There is a merge discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 September 17#Template:United Football League (2009) team that editors may be interested in discussing. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:05, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Hey all, I have noticed that there have been a lot of back and forth edits on Taysom Hill's page regarding his listed position and statistics. So far I have seen Quarterback, Quarterback & Special Teamer, Quarterback & Kick Returner, and simply "Athlete". I have started a discussion on the article's Talk Page to try and form a consensus on which positions and which statistics to list. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 12:41, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
There is a situation at George Taliaferro's page as people keeping using the "a NFL team" formation. The "an NFL team" (same goes to the NBA and NHL) is the correct formation, but people are just ignoring it. Anybody want to clarify this? – Sabbatino ( talk) 05:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
All, I undid Ayomaju ( talk · contribs) changes at List of Green Bay Packers seasons here. I then checked their contributions and noticed that about there last 100 edits have incorporated similar changes to most of the NFL team seasons lists. I disagree with these changes, specifically the addition of the head coaches column, and unnecessary and outside the scope of the list. For the Packers, we already have List of Green Bay Packers head coaches which provides this information more clearly. I would like to get consensus here though on whether or not these additions are supported. Ayomaju, would you please explain the purpose of these changes and whether you gained any consensus for making them across all the various team lists? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:06, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
New to this. I am wondering why the Providence Steamrollers do not appear in the history of the NFL. What is the reason? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Providencesteamroller ( talk • contribs) 01:18, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Hey guys, long time no see. Having a disagreement with User:Dissident93 on his talk page about showing players currently suspended by the NFL as members of their respective teams. This topic has apparently already been discussed several times before on this talk page ( here, here, here, here, etc.) In the case of Tyrone Robertson, he was suspended by the NFL indefinitely in 2002 and remained on the reserve/suspended list until he was released from it in 2015. I changed his infobox to reflect his membership of the team from 2001-2015, to which Dissident93 reverted my change, saying "come on" as his rationale, as well as "I can't believe how you honestly think he was an active member of the team for this long". I made changes to other player articles to reflect their accurate NFL tenure, including Rolando McClain, R. Jay Soward, and Tanard Jackson. These players are currently on their teams' Reserve/Suspended list because they have not been released yet. Dissident93 wants me to provide evidence that these players were still members of their teams, which I can point to the Robertson case as an example of players remaining on the team's suspended list for a long time before being released. As far as I can tell, based on recent discussions on this page, Dissident93 wants desperately to be able to say a player's career is over, instead of being patient and waiting for the player and his team to make that decision. It is clear in the previous discussions on this talk page that Dissident93 has actually agreed with my argument before, but has now changed his mind because of "extreme example[s]" that "we shouldn't account for". Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:21, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
This is a gray area we'll always have to deal with, like how we assume players who haven't played after a few years are retired. We have to use editorial judgement and a bit of WP:OR because often there just won't be sources covering these things. Lizard ( talk) 16:11, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm not up on the nuances of the NFL suspended list. For Rolando McClain, it looks like he signed a 1-yr deal with Dallas in 2016. [15] While he is indefinitely suspended by the NFL, does his contract w/ his team (Dallas) remain on hold, or has it expired?— Bagumba ( talk) 12:14, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Can we get some consensus here about what qualifies as "lore"? This article has had several edit wars going on recently, due to what qualifies as lore. I have been guilty of participating in some of the edit warring, so I would like to have some input from neutral parties on what games / plays should be included. Natg 19 ( talk) 00:23, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Pinging @ Tapper930:, @ Frank Anchor:, @ Toa Nidhiki05: to notify them of this discussion.
Salvaging this Short of deleting this, the only possible alternative I can think of would be to covert this into a list pointing to standalone articles of famous NFL games and plays, say those at Category:American football incidents and Category:National Football League games. Otherwise, lore is subjective, and this remains a mess.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:07, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Comment Surely a ton of notable plays/events from the NFL's history are closly related enough that they should be listed/grouped together somewhere other than a category, right? I think the least we could do is just remove all entries that do not have individual articles. Thus, stuff like "The Interception" and "28-3" would be removed, but the " Philly Special" and " Minneapolis Miracle" kept. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 18:11, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Per above discussion, I have brought this article to AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Football League lore (2nd nomination). Natg 19 ( talk) 20:47, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
I thought about working on the teams' navboxes but after looking through all of them, I decided to get some clarity about my observations:
I am not going to fight over this, but navboxes are supposed to include key facts only and should not be a place to include hundreds of repetitive and/or unnecessary links. – Sabbatino ( talk) 17:24, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Aaron Hernandez#Update. A permalink for it is here. The discussion concerns Hernandez's sexuality and how much detail to include on it, and WP:In-text attribution. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 03:46, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
This is silly, why can't they all be kept in categories? PeeJay is justify his selfish rvvs by making me have to explain why it's logical to move them into sub categories. Check out 2012 Seattle Seahawks and subsequent pages, they all are categorized. It seems to me he is just reverting them just for the sake of me not to use Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. GalaxyFighter55 ( talk) 01:03, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. -- Izno Repeat ( talk) 21:39, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
So on a number of NFL-related record/achievement lists (primary example being the list of National Football League career rushing touchdowns leaders), people are adamant about adding colored cells for players who are still active. As adding color really adds nothing besides personal preference, I think we should replace this with just simple bold wikimarkup for active players. Perhaps you could even say the same for the HOF players that get colored in as well, as the majority of these record list would be filled with players that are also in the PFHOF, meaning the ones that aren't are probably more notable to mention. Thoughts? ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 00:59, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Dave Long (American football, born 1944) was stable at Dave Long (American football) for over 10 years. While trying to figure out how to address the creation of David Long Jr. and David Long (American football), I moved the page. In less than an hour, I tried to move it back. I may have been unclear at WP:AN. I now have a new request in at Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests#Uncontroversial_technical_requests. Feel free to weigh in as is appropriate.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:28, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
While checking through contributions of a user, I discovered that the Stephen Starring page had a copy of a news story (warning: autoplay!) posted to it back in January 2014. The IP whose contribs I was looking at removed some unsource negative info earlier this year but I finally removed the whole story, nearly five years later! I can't find any sources that indicate that the charge mentioned in the news story was ever followed up on, so IMO including it is extreme undue weight. To this end, I've removed the unsourced text and added some referenced info, as well as trying to fix the infobox while I was there. I know nothing about American football, so if anybody would like to help out with the article as it now stands, feel free. Graham 87 12:11, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
I've renamed {{Infobox NFL season}}
to {{
Infobox NFL team season}}, for clarity.
I suggest we update all instances, then rename {{ Infobox NFL}} to {{ Infobox NFL season}}, for the same reason.
This is / would be in keeping with the naming of infoboxes for other sports. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:26, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
DragonFury and I disagree on the breadth of the image caption in NFL player infoboxes, in particular Jalen Ramsey. In short: should the caption be "[player] in [year of picture]" (as in Jalen Ramsey, Blake Bortles), or "[player] with [team] in [year of picture]" (as in Matt Barkley, Damon Harrison, etc.). I generally favor the latter, in particular when the picture shows the player in a different jersey than his present team. What is the general opinion? -- bender235 ( talk) 23:15, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
provides context for the pictureand addresses the uniform being shown. Typically, I prefer the team's city (unless ambiguous) being piped to the team article, as a non-fan reading will likely be more familiar with the city than the team's nickname.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:53, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Hey, i'm in a little disagreement with GalaxyFighter55 ( talk · contribs). As we link each stadium/network/player just once, i removed the links in the schedule section from the opponents, that the teams play twice against (the second game). An Example. He revered me without a given reason and i even wrote him on his talkpage but got no answer, so i went here to seek more opinions. Kante4 ( talk) 12:44, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Was there ever a category related to NFL replacement players? If not I'm considering creating one given that there are many articles on players who appeared in the NFL solely as replacements during the 1987 strike. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 02:01, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
Hey all,
As a sometime editor of NFL articles (mostly in relation to playoff scenarios), I find linking the season articles to be a bit arduous, so I've created a {{ NFL team season}} template to allow for easily dropping the links in. It's currently a skeleton template and is currently only set for the current 32 in their respective locations (so, no San Diego Chargers, for example); could I please have assistance in filling it out? :) Sceptre ( talk) 18:05, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
There is a new cat of Category:National Football League replacement players, which is being actively populated.
WP:CATDEFINING states A central concept used in categorising articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define[1] the subject as having—such as nationality or notable profession (in the case of people), type of location or region (in the case of places), etc.
Do we think
1987 NFL strike participation is a defining characteristic of these players?
UW Dawgs (
talk) 01:40, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
I differ with the previous point, because the names that were already in place in the category and the ones that Im including are not just for the persons that played until the strike was resolved. There are multiple players that their first opportunity were the strike games and then went to have more years of playing time, there were also multiple veteran players that the strike games was an opportunity to get back into the league and to continue after the strike was done. If you don't include those cases, I would recommend closing the category. Jazz3111 ( talk) 16:26, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Jim_Taylor_(American_football)#Requested_move_17_January_2019, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, — Bagumba ( talk) 06:23, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Anyone have any idea what to do about these edits: Special:Contributions/LaDanian1000000? It looks like every single one of his several dozen edits today is adding a sentence of trivia to the end of a 2018 season for an NFL player, completely uncited. I'm not clear the random fact mentioned is worth having in an article, and the thought of trying to fact-check every one of his edits makes me cringe.
He's been warned before to cite his changes, which makes it pretty clear that just leaving a message on his talk page isn't going to work. Suggestions? Tarl N. ( discuss) 01:44, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Seeing that the league's kickoff is less than a month away. Do we have any new notability standards for players coaches who will be appearing in the league or no? Just wondering. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 17:37, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Per Sportslogos.net, it seems the wrong logos have been used for the first 4 Super Bowls up to this point. The versions used here on Wikipedia should probably be replaced with the newly identified versions. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 ( talk • contributions) 12:14, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
Can you please share any feedback you may have about placing this news item into the Julian Edelman article? Please post any feedback at this
section of the articles talk page.
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Vwanweb (
talk) 23:27, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
References
Just a question, but if we have a link to every season in the team specific navboxes, why do we have a completely separate templates for each team in Category:National Football League team season templates? UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 19:10, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello! Your WikiProject has been selected to participate in the WP 1.0 Bot rewrite beta. This means that, starting in the next few days or weeks, your assessment tables will be updated using code in the new bot, codenamed Lucky. You can read more about this change on the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team page. Thanks! audiodude ( talk) 06:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Is there a definitive go to source that is generally used for player physical characteristics such as weight, height, etc.? The reason I'm asking is because of some changes being made to Michael Strahan and also because of WP:THQ#Tony Gonzalez's height listing. It appears that Ian656787 has been going around making changes to player/athlete height in some articles (not just NFL players), which might need a little more discussing. Height seems to be one of those things where it's quite possible to find different details given in varous sources; for example, NBA player heights can seem to vary widely from what's reported in "official" sources to what's reported in other media sources. Moreover, some sources may round up or down because the exact height is not extremely relevant to the particular article, or they might make a distinction between "listed height" and "real height". So, I'm just curious as to whether this WikiProject has any guidance on this matter. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:37, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
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Should List of Super Bowl jersey colors worn be nominated for deletion? There are no sources and jersey colors are not important at all. This is a completely trivial list. – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:37, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
The PROD's been removed with only 2 days left by some do-gooder who wants to see a "full deletion discussion". So now we're stuck with this idocy for at least another week. Send to AFD? - BilCat ( talk) 07:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to comment on the annual All-Pro navboxes at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_February_22#NFL_All-Pro_Team_navboxes.— Bagumba ( talk) 10:43, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Hey guys so I'm working on making navboxes for the AP All-Pro first team since the merger (1970). Well as I was creating 1982 and 1983, I got the titles mixed up. I tried to move them, but because they are each others titles, it won't let me. Can someone fix this? Thanks, Royals Life 22:01, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Lizard thanks, it's fixed now. Royals Life 22:12, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Lizard can you check and make sure everything looks good? I've made over 100 edits today so I might not catch everything haha. Royals Life 22:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
@ RoyalsLife and Lizard the Wizard: As a followup to the #All-Pro navboxes thread above, is there a compelling reason to keep these given the clutter they can create?— Bagumba ( talk) 09:44, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
I have to agree with Lizard on how we do it in the infoboxes. On the subject of the navboxes, I personally like them for research. In a way, getting rid of those would be like getting rid of the Super Bowl champions navbox. For a guy like Tom Brady with five, that kinda adds clutter. I say keep them and it was time consuming making them, so they would feel like a waste if we delete them. Royals Life 15:45, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Lizard I guess so. I'm not doing anything before 1970 which means only Jerry Rice, Anthony Muñoz, Bruce Smith, Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, John Hannah, Ray Lewis, Peyton Manning, Bruce Matthews, Mike Singletary, and Randy White would have more than 6+. That's only 11 guys compared to the hundreds that make the team. Making the team is in fact considered a big honor. Royals Life 16:27, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
There was a discussion back in 2007 ( here), that didn’t go very well as far as I’m concerned and perhaps 11 years later we can maybe finally get this right moving forward.
The case in question is, should a player who has never appeared in a season game, although being signed to a contract, and/or playing in preseason but being cut before the season starts, should have the merits (categories etc) of what a player who has played in a game should have. As far as I know, one has to have played in an official game to be considered “notable”; therefore if a bio has done nothing else to be considered notable, their article probably would not exist. Somebody like Brock Lesnar for example, has an existing article because he is notable in other fields not related to football. Therefore, I do not think it is appropriate for people like him to be categorized as an American football player. Thoughts please. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 19:24, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
I noticed there is confusion on Ricky Williams's page. NFL.com lists him as on the Dolphins 2006 roster while he was suspended. People don't want include the 2006 season in his infobox because he also played in Canada that season. He was on the Dolphins roster which led to the whole thing with Joe Theismann saying that they (Toronto) shouldn't play an addict and a player still on an NFL roster. This means that the 2006 season should in fact be included in the infobox. If not, then players like Josh Gordon's infobox should be changed so that it doesn't include the 2015 and 2016 seasons. Royals Life 16:35, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
PeeJay He was on the reserve/injured list just like Josh Gordon, Aldon Smith, and Randy Gregory. I'll change the infobox then Royals Life 18:00, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
Do we need a playing position
parameter for articles like
Matt Daniels? seems suboptional to put both the coaching and playing positions in the same arg.
Frietjes (
talk) 00:47, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
From 2014 to 2016, the Pro Bowl game was between two teams picked by captains, so I get where Category:Unconferenced Pro Bowl players came from. However, isn't it more historically significant which conference the player was picked from, not which team they actually played on? Also pinging WikiOriginal-9, who created the category.— Bagumba ( talk) 11:20, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
How far down the totem pole do we want to go with which coaching staff positions to include in the infobox? See Kevin Mawae. He was hired as an "offensive analyst" by ASU. What that entails is anyone's guess. For all we know he's a shoe shiner. " Mawae and former ASU quarterback Danny White will be analysts in 2017-18, a role White also held last season. Herm Edwards also is expected to add several more analysts or consultants." Note that Danny White's infobox makes no mention of this, nor does the rest of his article for that matter. This is a college hire but I'm asking here since it's also relevant to the NFL. What's Brian Dawkins' role as "executive of football operations for player development" for the Eagles? And is that role significant enough to have the infobox display him as a member of the team? And even include a highlight in his already jam-packed infobox that he's a Super Bowl champion in this capacity? Did he even get a ring? (And before someone makes me look dumb, the first and last questions are rhetorical.) I think we need to draw a line somewhere. Lizard ( talk) 08:54, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Template:Pro Football Hall of Fame members has been added to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 March 20#Template:Pro Football Hall of Fame members. Feel free to comment. – Sabbatino ( talk) 17:26, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Template:Pittsburgh Steelers Team MVP, Template:Rams Rookie of the Year, and Template:Rams MVP have been added to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 March 21#Template:Pittsburgh Steelers Team MVP and after. Feel free to comment. – Royals Life 02:47, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
We've had this same discussion a year ago, but it doesn't appear that it was ever resolved. How should we list players' careers who were suspended for a full year or more (e.g. Josh Gordon, Ricky Williams)? The argument against including their suspended years is that they weren't active and didn't play. The argument for inclusion, suspended or not, is that they were on the team's roster, the same as a player who may have missed an entire season on IR (e.g Kevin White). Thoughts? (pinging Crash Underride as we have different opinions on this.) Jauerback dude?/ dude. 18:20, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Unless I'm reading it wrong, it looks like (so far) we're all pretty much in agreement. Jauerback dude?/ dude. 13:29, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Unless I'm missing it, I don't think we cover the NFL's ongoing catch rule debate anywhere on Wikipedia despite the exhaustive attention it's gotten over the better part of the past decade and especially during this year's playoffs. Not on American football rules. Not on Reception (gridiron football). Not on Completion (American football) nor Incomplete pass (which should probably be merged together). Not on National Football League controversies. But I'd say it's worth its own article. Just throwing that out there if anyone wants to catch it (but make sure you maintain possession throughout the process of going to the ground). Lizard ( talk) 01:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Template:Steve Largent Award has been added to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 March 21#Template:Steve Largent Award. Feel free to comment. – Royals Life 03:01, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
I nominated Template:Philadelphia Eagles Pro Football Hall of Famers, Template:Green Bay Packers Hall of Famers, and Template:Buffalo Bills Hall of Famers for deletion. They aren't necessary and cause clutter because there is the regular Hall of Fame template and people can navigate from that. I don't see a reason for keeping them especially when there's only these three. If we keep them, we need to make one for the other 27 (being that the Jaguars and Texans don't have any yet). See Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 March 28#Template:Buffalo Bills Hall of Famers and after. Feel free to comment. – Royals Life 22:45, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
There a few more unaccounted for at Category:Pro Football Hall of Fame navigational boxes. Another option is to nominate the rest as a group once a clear consensus is established with this initial wave.— Bagumba ( talk) 15:08, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
There is some controversy on Ken Norton Jr.'s page. Right now his one week stint as the 49ers assistant head coach is in his infobox. Some people are removing it and then others are saying that it should be there. I'm not really sure it should be there since it was only for one week AND he never contributed to the team because OTAs and training camp hadn't even started. – Royals Life 18:29, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
A proposal has been made to delete Portal:NFL (and all other portals) at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC: Ending the system of portals. What are folks views on the NFL portal? It doesn't appear to have been maintained or updated since it was created by User:Jj98 in 2012 (Jj98 retired from Wikipedia in 2017). Do folks think it is useful? Did people even know it existed? (I didn't.) Even if the broader RfC fails, should Portal:NFL be deleted? Alternatively, would anyone want to volunteer to update and maintain it? Cbl62 ( talk) 16:07, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
There is an RfC at the Kate Mara article talk page members of this project might interested in taking part in here. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 02:37, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
So recently we decided to omit the visibility of any entry in the |number=
parameter if the team one is set to free agent. I'll add that we should also do the same to the |status=
parameter, because it shouldn't be shown if a player isn't under contract with any team. ~
Dissident93 (
talk) 01:19, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
User:ZappaOMati has been creating navboxes for the Bears' historical draft picks by year. See 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1940, 1941 Bears Draft Picks. These are in addition to such navboxes as Bears first round draft picks and 1941 first round draft picks (navboxes which I have no quarrel with). Is there a consensus that year-by-year, team-by-team draft templates are desirable? I may be in the minority on this, but being one of the Bears' 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1940 draft picks is not even remotely close to being a defining characteristic, and such navboxes serve no useful navigational purpose and are a source of growing navbox clutter. Tom Harmon, Bulldog Turner, and Joe Stydahar really don't need 12th/13th navboxes identifying them as a Bears 1941/1938/1939 draft picks. What do others think? Cbl62 ( talk) 20:01, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm strongly in favor of keeping the team's yearly draft class navboxes. I can't speak for everyone, but I've found those navboxes to be very useful. You can easily navigate/link to a teams' entire draft class in a selected year through those navboxes. I strongly disagree that a team's draft class in a partiicular year is "not even remotely close to being a defining characteristic." That is just plain false. A team's yearly draft class is certainly a defining characteristic. I mean even a draft's "QB class" is often used as a defining characteristic like the famous 1983 QB draft class with Elway, Marino, and Kelly. Edday1051 ( talk) 02:09, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
I notice on some pages ( Robert Mathis, Sam Bradford, etc.), we include their injured season in the stat table and put DNP — Injured. Do we really need to include it? Also, Tanner Lee's college stat table is kinda weird. He redshirted his freshman year, played two year then had to sit out due to transfer rules. Is that relevant? It just takes up space and doesn't really do anything. Dissident93, Lizard, Bagumba, Sabbatino, and WikiOriginal-9 what do you guys think? — Royals Life 01:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
This is an unreferenced BLP and should be fixed or deleted. Perhaps someone here can find some sources. Johnuniq ( talk) 01:55, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
is there a guideline on which colleges are listed in the nfl infobox? It appears the standard is you only list the most recent college the player attended/played for. Russell Wilson is one of the few that has both colleges he attended listed. I'm generally in favor of just listing the most recent college as that college would be the one listed in any draft analysis, but I'm not opposed to including other colleges in the case of grad transfers. Wilson did graduate from NC State and played there for 4 years prior to transferring to Wisconsin. To clarify, I would only be in favor of listing additional colleges in the case of grad transfers. Edday1051 ( talk) 19:29, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Hey everybody. I know it was discussed earlier this year to make the high school parameter in NFL pages more like NBA names, however multiple editors are still using the old way and are even oblivious to it changing to the couple I've brought up to. I'm not setting out to edit these pages but just in my normal editing I'm trying to convert it to the new consensus when I see one with the old way. I was just hoping everybody can do the same thing that will be extremely helpful!!--Rockchalk 7 17 05:44, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Undrafted free agents(UDFA) who have been officially signed to a contract should have their pages reflect that in having that team added to their team history in the infobox. Along with other corresponding changes to reflect they are no longer a free agent and are officially signed to an NFL team. On the other hand, there are UDFA who have not been signed to a contract, but have been invited to a rookie camp on a tryout basis. These players are not under contract and are technically still free agents and their player pages should remain as if they are free agents and the NFL team's rookie camp they are attending should not be added to the player's career history section. I corrected this on John O'Korn's page last week and it looks like the same mistake was made with Malik Zaire. In fairness, according to this source: [1], Zaire was signed by the Jaguars, but it looks like it was solely based on a tweet by Matt Freeman, but I could not find any official source confirming this nor was Zaire added to the official Jaguars roster on jaguars.com. I found another source here: [2], saying Zaire is a tryout participant at the rookie camp. So even some sources will get this wrong, so I suggest double checking the official roster and other sources, preferably one directly from the team. Edday1051 ( talk) 20:03, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
In the NFL draft lists I noticed that there are several differences between the early and late formats to the lists on wikipedia. Also, wouldn't it be easier to convert the links to the colleges to the Template:Cfb link format. If it already has, or in the future will have a link to the season page it will automatically link it to it, and a bot will clean up the link. Most football programs without a program page will at least have a redirect to the athletic program or institution. This seems like a much easier option than the redundant links on pages such as the 1936 draft page.-- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 19:22, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
His article says Middleton, Wisconsin, which this RS says [3]. However we have another WP RS [4] that says Madison, Wisconsin. To top things off, we have the New York Daily News saying [5] he was born in Mineola, New York while his father Al Toon was playing for the New York Jets. The third makes some sense, and I've seen other instances of reliable sources confusing the town a person went to HS at with the place they were born. I'd like to hear some other opinions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:20, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
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On the page Marcel Reece, UW Dawgs keeps adding an additional year to his infobox. He played for the Seahawks during the 2016 season. He then re-signed for the 2017 season but was cut before the regular season started. UW Dawgs is adding
Reece already has ↓ from playing with them the year before. We usually don't include the season they aren't on the active roster.
Example: Robbie Gould — Royals Life 00:58, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
On July 28, 2017, Reece was re-signed by the Seahawks.[9] He was released on September 2, 2017.[10]
These types of tenures are less significant for most players, and should be removed. Per
WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE, the point of an infobox is to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored). The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.
—
Bagumba (
talk) 15:14, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
It's either the case that this is WP:FANCRUFT for the infobox, or all the other sports projects are blind and have this wrong. This is also the same project where it is customary to have week-by-week stat lines in prose for bios like Tom Brady.— Bagumba ( talk) 15:51, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
What is everyone's opinion on articles like this: Green Bay Packers draft history? At first glance, it is WP:LISTCRUFT to me. We have consistently noted that first round draft picks are notable as a group, as they are routinely discussed in sources together (such as List of Green Bay Packers first-round draft picks), but very few sources discuss every draft pick a team has ever made in the same source (except sources that just list team data). I am inclined to WP:AFD it, but wanted to hear some opinions first. Thanks, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:27, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps try redirecting pages like Green Bay Packers draft history to Green Bay Packers first-round draft picks. If there is any subsequent objection, we can proceed to AfD. It does seem like a valid search term.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:45, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Edday1051 ( talk · contribs) and I cannot agree on the following issue, so I'm asking for additional opinions. The labeling scheme of high schools in our NFL player infobox so far has been city (state) school name, for instance
Very often, however, the city name is part of the school's "common name". So far, we handled these cases like this:
If the high school name is basically the city name only, we just wrote
The issue between Edday1051 ( talk · contribs) and me is now about Paramus Catholic High School in Paramus, New Jersey. Should the label in Jabrill Peppers' and Rashan Gary's infobox be
or
This is a matter of preferred style as much as it is about consistency, so please leave you comments. -- bender235 ( talk) 20:32, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Dissident93 that the current <city> (<state>) <school name> format used in football inboxes is unnecessarily cryptic. Aside from niche followers of the national high school football scene, this format is non-intuitive. Non-football fans who attended the high school wouldn't be familiar with the format. Take Josh Rosen, soon to be in the NFL. He went to St. John Bosco High School in Bellflower, California, but his infobox lists "Bellflower (CA) St. John Bosco". Now if anyone asks me which HS I went to, I mention the HS name, not the city and state first. UCLA's website lists Rosen's HS as "St. John Bosco" [10]. MaxPreps' last football poll lists the school as "St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA)". [11] <school name> (<city>, <state>) would be so much more intuitive to the average reader, and avoids issues like above whether to repeat the city name or not. It is also the WP format used in basketball bios. Keep it simple, for readers and editors alike.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:19, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm with Bagumba; this is unnecessarily convoluted. I would also add that the manual of style recommends against the use of postal abbreviations such as NJ in text and in infoboxes. That's not writ, but we shouldn't depart from it unless there's a great reason to do so. If this convention is based on Miami then I'd call that a doubtful precedent. That's a strange situation, where the real world disambiguates with OH, usually "Miami of Ohio" when spoken, to avoid the ambiguity. Mackensen (talk) 05:45, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
I think I'm in agreement with Dissident et al as well. Another wrinkle to consider: much of my relevant editing on this point concerns the infoboxes of the college sports coaches, principally college football coaches. I've generally followed the form of the school name with "High School" abbreviated to "HS" and then the state code in parenthesis attached to the end. See: Hayden Fry, Gerry Faust, and Len Casanova for some examples. In this context, I think it makes sense to explicitly convey high schools with the "HS" to differentiate them from college and pro teams. Rikster2 has objected to the my use of parenthetical state codes in this manner for college basketball coaches on at least one occasion, offering that it's a "football thing". Whatever the case, we should come up with a unified scheme to represent high school in the contexts of all sports. Jweiss11 ( talk) 20:27, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Agree with Edday1051. Few high schools are nationally known, and even then it would be by niche, diehard, national high school football fanatics. Without the added context of city and state, we may as well remove high schools from infoboxes altogether. However, my preference remains to list the HS with format <high_school_name> (<city>, <nonabbrev_state>) It's the same format already used in basketball articles. It's also not much longer than the existing football format, which is generally <city> (<abbrev_state>) <high_school_name>— Bagumba ( talk) 15:28, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Well we're in a pickle. Looks like everyone agrees the current format needs to go. But from what I gather:
I just wanna see it changed but ideally I also think we should list just the school name. Crash Underride, Jweiss11, Mackensen, and Rikster2 have also commented but haven't taken a side. Lizard ( talk) 21:12, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
At some point we should start implementing the new scheme. We do agree, as I see it, on the basic scheme of School name (city, state), as in
but we still have to come to an agreement on the city-named schools. Is it
As mentioned before, I prefer the latter. But my #1 goal here is to simply establish a consistent scheme. -- bender235 ( talk) 16:09, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
After lots of discussion above, it seems useful to have a poll to see where we stand on listing high schools. Please !vote on one of the options below in its respective section, or feel free to add a new option.— Bagumba ( talk) 10:46, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Do not unnecessarily make a reader chase links.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:39, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Comment So what was the rationale for using a parenthetical state code for colleges, but not for high schools? Seems it's more needed for high schools given that they are intrinsically lesser-known than colleges. Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:15, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
If we agree that the consensus is to go with the format of <school> (<city>, <state>), the optimization questions would be whether to alter anything if the city is already in the school name, and whether the state should be abbreviated or not.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:34, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and made changes to Tom Brady, Todd Gurley, and Aaron Donald per consensus above. Let's see if there is any remaining feedback.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:50, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
All, I just created Packers sweep (after like three years of wanting to do it). If anyone has a minute to review/copyedit, I would greatly appreciate it. I would love to take it to WP:GA someday, but having never worked on GAs before, it would be awesome to have some input before I nominate it. Thanks! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:21, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
I just ran into a problem with statistics at nfl.com which I'm not sure what to do about. See Talk:Rob Ninkovich#Touchdowns by Ninkovich. In short, I think the stats line for 2014 for Ninkovich is incorrect, and I'm looking for an alternate source so I can fix the stats on the Wikipedia page - at the moment, I've convinced myself that the current values are incorrect. Any ideas on where else to find stats, or how to get nfl.com to take a second look at their own stats? Tarl N. ( discuss) 04:57, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
I don't necessarily want to submit this as an official move discussion, I just would like some input. So after Patrick Mahomes was drafted, I moved the page to include his suffix because it had appeared initially the Chiefs would include his suffix. Well, a little over a year later, they aren't listing the suffix and his jersey doesn't include it. So I went to move the page, but then I got to thinking right before I submitted it, should we keep the suffix to prevent confusion with his father's page or would the distinguish header be sufficient?--Rockchalk 7 17 04:52, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Just a heads up, but it appears recent updates for various team websites ( Redskins and 49ers, maybe more) have broken the old external link URLs for on player's pages, and should be updated with the new links manually rather than archiving the old versions. I'm personally going to fix the Redskins' players links, but if this is some league issued mandate to standardize website links, then we may have to find a way to automate doing this for the other teams. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 04:23, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
So I have a question. For players who have unofficially retired or are highly unlikely to ever play again (looking at Kam Chancellor), but officially remain on the team's roster via reserve lists they can't be activated off of until the next league year, would it make sense to consider them retired/off the team in the lead and infobox, whilst keeping them in the team roster navboxes? ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 14:44, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Regardless of where your opinion may stand on this proposal, please note an ongoing discussion regarding a merge proposal that falls under the purview of this WikiProject. Any input to help determine consensus would be appreciated: Talk:Green Bay Packers#Merge proposal. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:52, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
I added some information to this topics talk page but I did not want to edit the topic. The information relates to who owned the team. I included a link that lists George E. Muehlebach as the owner. I have had a few books in the past that also listed him as the owner but I no longer have them and can't remember the books names so that its difficult to find sources online. But, you are free to add the information or use it to maybe find more information about this online. I have put in a question with one of the citys libraries but other than this, I can't really be of further service. It seems the NFL itself doesn't have the information. So, if you can verify the info, you might just get something from the NFL to say thanks.
/info/en/?search=Talk:Kansas_City_Blues/Cowboys Armorbeast ( talk) 04:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
I was updating the high schools to the new format and was updating the pages of Crespi Carmelite alumni. I updated Devin Lucien's page with no issues. I get to Randy Cross and the same exact edit seems to have broken the page. I'm not sure if this is only happening on my end, but if it's happening with everyone else, you guys can see that the infobox sections have empty space. Can anyone can confirm that you guys see this and if you do, can you figure out why it's happening. I even reverted my edit and it remains the same. I'm pretty sure my edit is what caused it, but weirdly I go to older versions of the page, and the same issue is present. It's very odd. I copy and pasted a different nfl infobox on the same page, and the same things happens, so it seems it's the issue is happening on these specific pages. Same thing is happening with Christian Fauria, Hroniss Grasu, Chris Harper, Babe Laufenberg, and a couple of other Crespi Carmelite alumni pages. Edday1051 ( talk) 18:16, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:History_of_the_Portsmouth_Spartans#Shoe_Steels
I added the information with links. It's up to you guys if you want to add the information to the topic. It's worth discussion.
Armorbeast ( talk) 11:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
We have a problem. I am sure some of you are aware of constant reverting on Saquon Barkley's page regarding his height. The problem is that neither side is wrong, because both 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) (sources: NFL.com, NFL Combine) and 5 ft 11 in (1.80 m) (source: Giants.com) are easily verifiable. How do we deal with this? – Sabbatino ( talk) 16:08, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Someone had converted this article to a marginally notable basketball player three years ago. I moved that content to Zeke Moore (basketball) and restored the football content, but wanted to ask that someone from this project go in and address the multiple issues with the article. Surprising that this could go on for three years without anyone noticing. Rikster2 ( talk) 12:31, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
This requested move may be of interest to the members of this project. Lepricavark ( talk) 00:28, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
This page was moved from Brett Maher (gridiron football) which might be OK, but I'm not sure if the new disambiguation should capitalize both words. It seems as if "American football" is more commonly used for cases like this, but figured I'd ask here to see if that's really the case. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
As a member of this WikiProject, I am restoring it to active status, prior to the beginning of the 2018 season, which looks to be an interesting one for the Niners. Cheers! Jusdafax ( talk) 16:27, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
I imagine this has been brought up before, but I would like to propose that WP:NFL formally mark all of the team-based sub-projects with {{ Historic}}. The only sub-project with any semblance of activity is the Green Bay Packers WikiProject, mostly because I and a few others keep it alive. I have moved WP:PACKERS to a "related WikiProject" on the NFL page instead of a sub-project and am happy to continue maintaining it and keeping it going. However, after reviewing the other sub-projects, I think it would be best if we move forward and archive them. None of them have had any real activity for years. Marking them as historic would be the easy part, but the next part would be nominating all of the associated templates and WikiProject-categories for deletion.
Many may wonder why I think think this is important. Having started and restarted WP:PACKERS, I can tell you how much time and effort it takes to get everything organized, tagged, and cleaned-up to make it all work. If we get new editors to WP:NFL, I would much rather they focus on improving NFL pages for whatever team they like, instead of spending a lot of time trying to restart a sub-project.
For a list of which projects I am discussing, see Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League#Individual projects. Note that I was bold and tagged the Defunct teams and Referee sub-projects as {{ Historic}} because neither sub-project had any real activity (articles weren't tagged with a banner template). Interested to see what everyone's opinion is. Thanks for considering. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi! So I know almost nothing about football and the NFL but I've taken an interest in the Vontae Davis article after the recent events at the Bills game. I've been trying to clean it up and add sources. I think it's gone a little past start class (its current assessment, but that was for the article as it stood in mid-2009), and its importance to the WikiProject hasn't been assessed yet (I would say maybe... mid based on y'all's subpage with the guidelines for importance). Was wondering if someone could hop on over and re-evaluate the article so I have a better sense of what I can be doing. cymru.lass ( talk • contribs) 00:53, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Just want to let everybody know that Frauwa ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has changed the information in the "Pre-draft measurables" tables on various players' pages. I did not look through all of them, but there are differences from the officially announced results by the NFL. – Sabbatino ( talk) 11:05, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Let's do a case-by-case analysis of sources wherever you see fit. I have relied on the official NFL Combine numbers. In cases where players did better at the Pro Day, I have used those numbers, although the official combine measurables have usually been lend primacy, stemming from an assumption of superior testing equipment at the combine. So, all the changes have been sourced and originate with the NFL. I am happily willing to discuss any changes with anyone. - Frauwa —Preceding undated comment added 11:21, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
There is a merge discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 September 17#Template:United Football League (2009) team that editors may be interested in discussing. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:05, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Hey all, I have noticed that there have been a lot of back and forth edits on Taysom Hill's page regarding his listed position and statistics. So far I have seen Quarterback, Quarterback & Special Teamer, Quarterback & Kick Returner, and simply "Athlete". I have started a discussion on the article's Talk Page to try and form a consensus on which positions and which statistics to list. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 12:41, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
There is a situation at George Taliaferro's page as people keeping using the "a NFL team" formation. The "an NFL team" (same goes to the NBA and NHL) is the correct formation, but people are just ignoring it. Anybody want to clarify this? – Sabbatino ( talk) 05:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
All, I undid Ayomaju ( talk · contribs) changes at List of Green Bay Packers seasons here. I then checked their contributions and noticed that about there last 100 edits have incorporated similar changes to most of the NFL team seasons lists. I disagree with these changes, specifically the addition of the head coaches column, and unnecessary and outside the scope of the list. For the Packers, we already have List of Green Bay Packers head coaches which provides this information more clearly. I would like to get consensus here though on whether or not these additions are supported. Ayomaju, would you please explain the purpose of these changes and whether you gained any consensus for making them across all the various team lists? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:06, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
New to this. I am wondering why the Providence Steamrollers do not appear in the history of the NFL. What is the reason? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Providencesteamroller ( talk • contribs) 01:18, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Hey guys, long time no see. Having a disagreement with User:Dissident93 on his talk page about showing players currently suspended by the NFL as members of their respective teams. This topic has apparently already been discussed several times before on this talk page ( here, here, here, here, etc.) In the case of Tyrone Robertson, he was suspended by the NFL indefinitely in 2002 and remained on the reserve/suspended list until he was released from it in 2015. I changed his infobox to reflect his membership of the team from 2001-2015, to which Dissident93 reverted my change, saying "come on" as his rationale, as well as "I can't believe how you honestly think he was an active member of the team for this long". I made changes to other player articles to reflect their accurate NFL tenure, including Rolando McClain, R. Jay Soward, and Tanard Jackson. These players are currently on their teams' Reserve/Suspended list because they have not been released yet. Dissident93 wants me to provide evidence that these players were still members of their teams, which I can point to the Robertson case as an example of players remaining on the team's suspended list for a long time before being released. As far as I can tell, based on recent discussions on this page, Dissident93 wants desperately to be able to say a player's career is over, instead of being patient and waiting for the player and his team to make that decision. It is clear in the previous discussions on this talk page that Dissident93 has actually agreed with my argument before, but has now changed his mind because of "extreme example[s]" that "we shouldn't account for". Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:21, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
This is a gray area we'll always have to deal with, like how we assume players who haven't played after a few years are retired. We have to use editorial judgement and a bit of WP:OR because often there just won't be sources covering these things. Lizard ( talk) 16:11, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm not up on the nuances of the NFL suspended list. For Rolando McClain, it looks like he signed a 1-yr deal with Dallas in 2016. [15] While he is indefinitely suspended by the NFL, does his contract w/ his team (Dallas) remain on hold, or has it expired?— Bagumba ( talk) 12:14, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Can we get some consensus here about what qualifies as "lore"? This article has had several edit wars going on recently, due to what qualifies as lore. I have been guilty of participating in some of the edit warring, so I would like to have some input from neutral parties on what games / plays should be included. Natg 19 ( talk) 00:23, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Pinging @ Tapper930:, @ Frank Anchor:, @ Toa Nidhiki05: to notify them of this discussion.
Salvaging this Short of deleting this, the only possible alternative I can think of would be to covert this into a list pointing to standalone articles of famous NFL games and plays, say those at Category:American football incidents and Category:National Football League games. Otherwise, lore is subjective, and this remains a mess.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:07, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Comment Surely a ton of notable plays/events from the NFL's history are closly related enough that they should be listed/grouped together somewhere other than a category, right? I think the least we could do is just remove all entries that do not have individual articles. Thus, stuff like "The Interception" and "28-3" would be removed, but the " Philly Special" and " Minneapolis Miracle" kept. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 18:11, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Per above discussion, I have brought this article to AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Football League lore (2nd nomination). Natg 19 ( talk) 20:47, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
I thought about working on the teams' navboxes but after looking through all of them, I decided to get some clarity about my observations:
I am not going to fight over this, but navboxes are supposed to include key facts only and should not be a place to include hundreds of repetitive and/or unnecessary links. – Sabbatino ( talk) 17:24, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Aaron Hernandez#Update. A permalink for it is here. The discussion concerns Hernandez's sexuality and how much detail to include on it, and WP:In-text attribution. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 03:46, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
This is silly, why can't they all be kept in categories? PeeJay is justify his selfish rvvs by making me have to explain why it's logical to move them into sub categories. Check out 2012 Seattle Seahawks and subsequent pages, they all are categorized. It seems to me he is just reverting them just for the sake of me not to use Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. GalaxyFighter55 ( talk) 01:03, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. -- Izno Repeat ( talk) 21:39, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
So on a number of NFL-related record/achievement lists (primary example being the list of National Football League career rushing touchdowns leaders), people are adamant about adding colored cells for players who are still active. As adding color really adds nothing besides personal preference, I think we should replace this with just simple bold wikimarkup for active players. Perhaps you could even say the same for the HOF players that get colored in as well, as the majority of these record list would be filled with players that are also in the PFHOF, meaning the ones that aren't are probably more notable to mention. Thoughts? ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 00:59, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Dave Long (American football, born 1944) was stable at Dave Long (American football) for over 10 years. While trying to figure out how to address the creation of David Long Jr. and David Long (American football), I moved the page. In less than an hour, I tried to move it back. I may have been unclear at WP:AN. I now have a new request in at Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests#Uncontroversial_technical_requests. Feel free to weigh in as is appropriate.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:28, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
While checking through contributions of a user, I discovered that the Stephen Starring page had a copy of a news story (warning: autoplay!) posted to it back in January 2014. The IP whose contribs I was looking at removed some unsource negative info earlier this year but I finally removed the whole story, nearly five years later! I can't find any sources that indicate that the charge mentioned in the news story was ever followed up on, so IMO including it is extreme undue weight. To this end, I've removed the unsourced text and added some referenced info, as well as trying to fix the infobox while I was there. I know nothing about American football, so if anybody would like to help out with the article as it now stands, feel free. Graham 87 12:11, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
I've renamed {{Infobox NFL season}}
to {{
Infobox NFL team season}}, for clarity.
I suggest we update all instances, then rename {{ Infobox NFL}} to {{ Infobox NFL season}}, for the same reason.
This is / would be in keeping with the naming of infoboxes for other sports. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:26, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
DragonFury and I disagree on the breadth of the image caption in NFL player infoboxes, in particular Jalen Ramsey. In short: should the caption be "[player] in [year of picture]" (as in Jalen Ramsey, Blake Bortles), or "[player] with [team] in [year of picture]" (as in Matt Barkley, Damon Harrison, etc.). I generally favor the latter, in particular when the picture shows the player in a different jersey than his present team. What is the general opinion? -- bender235 ( talk) 23:15, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
provides context for the pictureand addresses the uniform being shown. Typically, I prefer the team's city (unless ambiguous) being piped to the team article, as a non-fan reading will likely be more familiar with the city than the team's nickname.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:53, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Hey, i'm in a little disagreement with GalaxyFighter55 ( talk · contribs). As we link each stadium/network/player just once, i removed the links in the schedule section from the opponents, that the teams play twice against (the second game). An Example. He revered me without a given reason and i even wrote him on his talkpage but got no answer, so i went here to seek more opinions. Kante4 ( talk) 12:44, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Was there ever a category related to NFL replacement players? If not I'm considering creating one given that there are many articles on players who appeared in the NFL solely as replacements during the 1987 strike. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 02:01, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
Hey all,
As a sometime editor of NFL articles (mostly in relation to playoff scenarios), I find linking the season articles to be a bit arduous, so I've created a {{ NFL team season}} template to allow for easily dropping the links in. It's currently a skeleton template and is currently only set for the current 32 in their respective locations (so, no San Diego Chargers, for example); could I please have assistance in filling it out? :) Sceptre ( talk) 18:05, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
There is a new cat of Category:National Football League replacement players, which is being actively populated.
WP:CATDEFINING states A central concept used in categorising articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define[1] the subject as having—such as nationality or notable profession (in the case of people), type of location or region (in the case of places), etc.
Do we think
1987 NFL strike participation is a defining characteristic of these players?
UW Dawgs (
talk) 01:40, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
I differ with the previous point, because the names that were already in place in the category and the ones that Im including are not just for the persons that played until the strike was resolved. There are multiple players that their first opportunity were the strike games and then went to have more years of playing time, there were also multiple veteran players that the strike games was an opportunity to get back into the league and to continue after the strike was done. If you don't include those cases, I would recommend closing the category. Jazz3111 ( talk) 16:26, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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Anyone have any idea what to do about these edits: Special:Contributions/LaDanian1000000? It looks like every single one of his several dozen edits today is adding a sentence of trivia to the end of a 2018 season for an NFL player, completely uncited. I'm not clear the random fact mentioned is worth having in an article, and the thought of trying to fact-check every one of his edits makes me cringe.
He's been warned before to cite his changes, which makes it pretty clear that just leaving a message on his talk page isn't going to work. Suggestions? Tarl N. ( discuss) 01:44, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Seeing that the league's kickoff is less than a month away. Do we have any new notability standards for players coaches who will be appearing in the league or no? Just wondering. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 17:37, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Per Sportslogos.net, it seems the wrong logos have been used for the first 4 Super Bowls up to this point. The versions used here on Wikipedia should probably be replaced with the newly identified versions. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 ( talk • contributions) 12:14, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
Can you please share any feedback you may have about placing this news item into the Julian Edelman article? Please post any feedback at this
section of the articles talk page.
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Vwanweb (
talk) 23:27, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
References
Just a question, but if we have a link to every season in the team specific navboxes, why do we have a completely separate templates for each team in Category:National Football League team season templates? UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 19:10, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
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Is there a definitive go to source that is generally used for player physical characteristics such as weight, height, etc.? The reason I'm asking is because of some changes being made to Michael Strahan and also because of WP:THQ#Tony Gonzalez's height listing. It appears that Ian656787 has been going around making changes to player/athlete height in some articles (not just NFL players), which might need a little more discussing. Height seems to be one of those things where it's quite possible to find different details given in varous sources; for example, NBA player heights can seem to vary widely from what's reported in "official" sources to what's reported in other media sources. Moreover, some sources may round up or down because the exact height is not extremely relevant to the particular article, or they might make a distinction between "listed height" and "real height". So, I'm just curious as to whether this WikiProject has any guidance on this matter. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:37, 1 March 2019 (UTC)