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Good to see an NBA project up, and hopefully soon running well. I'd definitely make the priority getting boxes like the Spurs one on every page. Also, I really don't like the mentions of rivalries on pages. This is pretty POV. From a neutral NBA fan's perspective (no team, just love the game), I'd say the only real rivalry in NBA history was Lakers-Celtics in the 1980s. These change quickly (currently the only one is everyone v. Duncan, and maybe Shaq v. Kobe). These should all be cut from the articles. Also, try to get a little template to lead people to the project from NBA-related talk pages. Nice start though. Harro5 July 8, 2005 02:23 (UTC)
It says in the Playoffs section of the NBA page "Although the playoff brackets are not reseeded, home-court advantage is based strictly on regular-season record, without regard to whether a team won its division." This surely is no longer the case as the winner of a division is now guaranteed a playoff spot. -- NBA-Forum.net 20:54, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
The winner of each division is guaranteed a top-3 seed, but now homecourt advantage isn't based on seeding, it is based on which team has the better regualr-season record. For example, if some team wins the Atlantic Division with a dismal record, for example (45-37), and earns the 3rd seed, but some other team gets the 6th seed with a record better than (45-37), the 6th seed will get homecourt advantage. In this case, homecourt advantage would've been decided solely on the regular-season record and not on whether or not the team won its division. King 07:48, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
...as happened this year with the Nuggets/Clippers. :-) --- Kermitmorningstar 06:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Comment: don't mess with timestamps. Format is "%H:%i, %d %M %Y". Correcting July 8, 2005 07:18 (UTC); 03:48, July 10, 2005 (UTC); 09:18, August 31, 2005 (UTC) Pldx1 ( talk) 11:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
I would like to see articles on the individual championship series in the NBA. All of the other major American leagues have articles on them; I don't know why the NBA doesn't. I don't think I'll be able to contribute to these very well, but I'm just putting this up as a suggestion. bob rulz 07:18, 8 July 2005 (UTC)
That may take some time, but that is a terrific idea! Just like the 2005 NBA Finals article. That's a long term goal we should keep in mind for this project. Dknights411 03:48, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
I've been trying to write/expand the 2004 NBA Finals article to match the 2005 one's substantial size. The 2001 NBA Finals, 2002 NBA Finals, 2003 NBA Finals and 2004 Finals articles should all be relatively easy to create and/or expand because they all have official NBA-hosted websites still online. King 09:18, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
One thing that I did with the Portland Trail Blazers page is to move the team history information (I contributed quite a bit of stuff) into it's own page--mainly because I got the "32k limit" warning. There's a lot of history 'bout the Trail Blazers. On the main page I try to use mainly the present tense.
Comments on this editorial approach?
Also, there are a lot of NBA personalities who are still red links...
[User:EngineerScotty 7/8/05 10:43 PDT]
I like that approach, although I still can't believe you chronicled the history of the Blazers in two pages while teams like the Lakers and the Kings don't have a thing yet!!! My hats off to you. Dknights411 04:29, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
Just a note. According to the NBA's official web site for the Philadelphia 76ers, their predicessors, the Syracuse Nationals were founded in 1939, and were a charter member of the National Basketball league in 1946. NoseNuggets 1:13 US EST Nov 2 2005.
I just finished looking at the New York Knickerbockers page, and the near end of the article is filled with various updates, but some of them are speculations, such as the future of Knicks coach Larry Brown. I think we should discourage people from writing speculation in the history sections and only add actual occurrances. (e.g. Do not add or cite sources that suggest that Larry Brown could resign, accept a buyout, get fired, etc. Do enter information once it occurs; if Larry Brown does leave the Knicks for some reason, add it only once it occurs.)
DaDoc540 04:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking if we made the current roster section of each team into a template, fans would be more likely to have the template for their team on their user page and would be more likely to keep the information up to date (rather than one of us). Does anyone agree? If so, I can work on getting it started. KSchutte 22:40, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree 100%! Can't wait to see it. Dknights411 04:33, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
How does this rank for style and ease of editing? KSchutte 22:10, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
You did a good job here! Style-wise, it could use a few tweaks, but for editing purposes, it's very simple. We should get these tables put on as soon as possible (but we have to rename the template first of cousre). Dknights411 23:35, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
I've done them for my teams, the Boston Celtics and the Sacramento Kings. KSchutte 16:24, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
[I copied this discussion from Talk:Milwaukee Bucks. Please add comments. mtz206 21:18, July 13, 2005 (UTC)]
While Bogut is very very likely going to be a starter, it seems premature to list him as a "current" starter. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. -- mtz206 23:55, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
I would agree that it is hard to keep an up-to-date starting roster for each team. I would propose just listing the rosters, as suggested above. That's exactly what you find on the NBA team sites, but then at least it'll have links to player articles. I also agree that the "Gone but not forgotten" section is shaky ground. For a team like the Lakers this section includes guys like Shaq and Byron Scott – important guys – but then Memphis mentions Bryant Reeves!?! This guy isn't gone and not forgotten, he's just walked off the face of the earth. We need to think up some criteria – maybe they have to have an article if they're a post-1980 player, and they have to have done something (All Star, lead league in points, Championship team starter, etc.). This should be discussed and a set criteria developed. Harro5 03:14, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
I think it would be good if we added a "Current activity" section to the Project's main page, as it would allow people passing through to see what we're up to and also tell members what they can do and what others are currently doing. It would be a good idea to add some sort of prioritsed list (eg. the current rosters templates as our #1 at present, as well as raising our profile) so that someone who joins our cause doesn't try to start writing the history of the finals on their own and end up leaving because it was too much work. Thoughts on this? I'll start a bit of a list – feel free to tweak it. Harro5 23:58, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I went looking for the above in Wikipedia a while ago and couldn't find it anywhere, but I just found a offhand reference to it in the Chicago Bulls article, which doesn't really make it any clearer (although I assume it was a series winning shot after the buzzer). From outside the US where I am, it's not widely known about, but is of interest- I thought it referred to a baseball game and yet I'm a basketball fan! Could someone who knows more either make a page for it, or a clear explaination within an existing appropriate page? Coyote-37 10:51, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
The "Shot Heard 'Round the World" in terms of sports refers to New York (now San Francisco) Giants player Bobby Thompson's Home Run that beat the Brooklyn (now Los Angeles) Dodgers in 1951. The win gave the Giants the National League pennant (hence the famous call "The Giants win the pennant!"). The phrase in terms of basketball has been used numerous times (Jordan over Ehlo in 89, Christian Laettner's game winner in 92 for Duke, John Paxon's shot in 93, even Robert Horry's game winner against Sacramento in 2002). The use of the phrase varies amoung fans in basketball. Hope that helps you out a bit. Dknights411 17:32, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
I was writing the above comment when it hit me that the NBA should have a list of memorable moments article. Anyone else think this is a good idea? Dknights411 17:32, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
I think we should come up with a final decision on "Main Rivals" on the team articles. Harro5 brought up some POV issues above, and I think "Main Rivals" on the individual team not only makes a page vulnerable for POV issues, but it also makes pages more vulnerable for vandalism, case in point, listing almost half the league as one team's "Main Rival". Personally, I'd like to see the "Main Rivals" on the team pages go. But what do you guys think? Dknights411 02:21, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
Ok, how's this for a solution to the whole "Main Rivals" problem?
1. No mention of "Main Rivals" on the team General Information table.
2. Any mention of any rivalries, past or present, should be listed in a "Noted Rivalries" section at the end of the "Team History" section of the team article.
Anyone else think that's a good idea? Dknights411 00:11, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
Agreed, sorta. My only question is the criteria for present rivalries, and afterwards how a rivalry would be considered "past" and thus more fairly judged as a notable rivalry or not. Or is all this something to be agreed upon by masses of the team's fans in the present and future? King 10:03, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
Well, everyone, today's the day that the moratorium on player movement ended, and people are now signing with new teams and being traded by their older ones. It's been said, but please bear in mind that we should only update the rosters if it's official-- please check the team's page on NBA.com before changing anything. We should also remember that, obviously, when one team signs a free agent, another team has lost him-- so that team's roster page also needs to be updated. And we need to go into that player's page and change the necessary information, as well as add him to that team category.
It's gonna be a lot of redundant busywork, but I know we can accomplish it together! ekedolphin 00:07, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
Here's an idea. I was thinking that we create seperate articles that chronicles the history of the NBA season by season, like a 1990-91 NBA Season article, a 1991-92 NBA Season article, and so on. Any thoughts?
Incredibly ambitious, incredibly comprehensive and incredibly hard to do... I like it! King 06:56, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I did a quick summary of this past season, and this coming season hopefully as template for all the other seasons. Last Year and This Year. As of right now, all seasons from 1997–98 to now are up. If you have additional information, suggestions, partaning to these seasons, please feel free to contribute. Dknights411 03:32, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
A while back I tried to do some stuff on some of the NBDL pages, but I typically don't have enough time. I know the league isn't of great interest to many people, but it could become a larger part of the sports world, especially if it is expanded into a full and true minor league system like Stern wants. Any chance this could be incorporated into this WikiProject? Most of the pages could use some major work.
EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 04:03, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Technically, the NBDL is a part of the NBA since they created it in the first place. I think we can work with the D-League. Anybody else agree? Dknights411 04:11, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
WikiFanatic started Wikipedia:WikiProject Basketball just recently and some users of this project suggested that it should be merged with this one. Though I recognize the importance of the NBA to basketball all over the world, I don't feel that such requests are really reasonable. Basketball is a popular sport all over the world and starting a general, truly international project sounds like a very good idea to me. I urge all of the participants of this project to try encourage WikiFanatics initiative instead of asking him to conform to the rather more limited scope of this project. This doesn't mean that more specific projects don't have a place on Wikipedia, but they should definetly not try to assimilate those that aim to have a broader scope.
Peter Isotalo 19:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if this is the best place where to post, but I've noticed that on players' personal pages you always refer to past European teams with the nations (eg: a player who came from Virtus Bologna -> came from Italy) and not with the club names. Basketball players like Olowokandi or Doc Rivers haven't mentions about their experiences with italian teams and this is for the most part of the players (Russians, Serbians, generally all players with European experiences). I think it would be better to fix this, respecting European fans (I would remember you that even more teams are signing European leagues players) and to the information that will be more complete (="there isn't only the NBA!"). Unfortunately I'm not so expert to fix all the players. Sorry for my English, I'm Italian.
(it was me -> -- necronudist 16:56, 4 November 2005 (UTC))
Buying an Italian magazine I've found an year-by-year list of 5 players who's intended to be the "best players' roster of the year" in every NBA season (from 1946–47 to 2004-05). There are also "all rookies teams" from 1962–63 to 2004-05). I haven't seen anything about that in NBA articles, so my question is: are this some sort of official rosters or are they only the suppositions of the magazine? (there isn't written if are official rosters or magazine's). If they're official I can wiki them. (or, if the "NBA seasons year-by-year" project will begin they could be part of it). Let me know! -- necronudist 15:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
You go through [1] and in the Awards winner section, there is the official list of all the all-NBA teams, even the all Defensive team. Hope that helps. Dknights411 16:33, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Yes it is! So it's official...I haven't found any reference in the wikipedia, so I can start new pages like "All-NBA Teams", "All-Rookie Teams" and "All-Defensive Teams"... can I? (sorry but i'm a newbie... it would be my first contribute, I'm very cautious) -- necronudist 16:53, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I've added the player career and trade report to Alaa Abdelnaby (d'you like them? found'em useful?) and I'm planning to do it for many other players. I was wondering if there are some templates who can make easier and standardized my work. More generally: can someone create a template to apply to all NBA (maybe also one for non-NBA) players? -- necronudist 21:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Although it isn't strictly an NBA matter, I'd really like to do some serious work on the ABA team pages. I've already cleaned up a couple of the articles, but I'd like to develop a template along the same lines as for the NBA teams; what do you think? The main problem is the number of relocations; I like the approach of the Pittsburgh Pipers article which covers the entire life of the franchise, including years they weren't called the Pipers and even when they didn't even play in Pittsburgh. If I could use the NBA team template, with the different colours and stuff, to illustrate the different periods in the team's evolution it might make articles like that a lot less confusing. Fosse8 13:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I noticed that players with common names are disambiguated differently. To avoid red links and duplicate articles, I'd like to see this standardized. Examples of the various conventions in use include:
and even...
Of course the most notorious basketball-related naming confusion involves these three:
Anybody else care to weigh in on this?
See Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion#November 17 -- necronudist 11:57, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Jorje29 has added hoopsstats.com fantasy statistics links to all or almost all of the player and team articles. Is this desireable? I would argue that one stats link is enough for an article, but I'm not a fantasy player. What are other opinions? -- DDerby- (talk) 08:05, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Im just wondering if there is any criteria before deleting/adding external links to fan sites. After visiting a couple of teams I noticed that most fan sites seem to be self promotion with little or no new content being updated and no user-base or any vital information. Is it fine to just leave them on or better to delete them?
In case you haven't noticed, there is a new, more streamlined infobox available that was first posted on the Seattle SuperSonics page. To whoever set this up, JOB WELL DONE!!! We should use this template on all the team pages. Dknights411 06:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I just noticed User:Alakazam adding www.sportsecyclopedia.com links to each basketball team article. He/she isn't a new user nor has past behavior of spamming, (also the site has a decent Alexa rating – 141,000). But, I don't like the mass adding of links, as it has the appearance of spam. What's your thought on adding this link the the articles? Worth including? or not?
I also think many of the other links in the team articles look no more informative and useful than sportsencyclopedia, and might be worth trimming. See External links guidelines and WikiProject Spam for more information on the guidelines and ongoing efforts. Thanks. -- Aude ( talk | contribs) 20:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I would encourage members of this wikiproject to check out the following AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NBA Drafts. Maybe the list deserves to go, maybe it doesn't. But as of now, i dont think any members of this project have voted thus far. Whether you agree with my comments on the AfD or not, wikipedia as a whole would benefit from your opinion. Cheers. Youngamerican 21:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles? Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot! Gflores Talk 17:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I took a moment to add History of the Dallas Mavericks to the WikiProject, if any of you would like to take a look at. It was an article that I contributed significantly to through the mid-'90s (though I did so back when the history page was still part of the main Mavericks article), and I'm very pleased with how it's progressed.
Not to pat myself on the back or anything. ;) ekedolphin 21:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Kudos to whoever started the coach succession boxes. I've added numerous ones, and at least three teams are complete (Portland, Seattle, and Orlando). In many cases, I also created articles on NBA coaches who didn't have one (and was surprised to find that several NBA notables, including Frank Layden and Stu Jackson, didn't have articles at all!). In some cases, articles were created for guys like Bill Berry (basketball) (who coached the Bulls for two games) who are otherwise not very notable--but I think if you are a head NBA coach for even a single game, that confers notability.
A few comments/questions:
-- EngineerScotty 22:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
I'll post a list of teams which have complete coach box chains (meaning every head coach has an article, even if just a stub, and a chain of succ boxes lead from the initial coach to the current one) on the project page.
A big obstacle remains that lots of NBA head coaches do not yet have articles. -- EngineerScotty 06:36, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
-- jiy ( talk) 21:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
I was looking through the NBA and did not find the All-NBA first team and All-NBA second team articles. I think it would be a good idea to create them. Also lists for each year and records (who has been most times, etc) would be useful Joelito 23:52, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
A new user, Mikebrand, has created a player-position chart for the Spurs which you can see at San Antonio Spurs#Player Positions. I think it looks really good, and adds a good bit of information to the page. What does everyone think about making this kind of box standard for all team pages? E WS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:26, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I could design a Template:Hoops depth-chart if the demand is great enough. — May. 30, '06 [06:37] < freak| talk>
I've been going through the old NBA Draft pages, many of which are either complete but not uniform to the newer pages, woefully incomplete, or missing altogether. Does anyone else think that it is a worthwhile endeavor to complete the entire Draft database and give it a uniform template? -- fuzzy510 20:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I was surprised to see that there was no infobox for basketball players. I was also pretty WTF at the current "infoboxes" on some players – unwieldly and difficult to edit and mantain. Could someone create an infobox? I'm too casual – I wouldn't know what information to include. Hbdragon88 23:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm doing "years in basketball" similar to the "years in baseball". One such article is 2002 in basketball. The "year in basketball" is a way to access a yearly event for basketball at one location. I'm referencing your NBA Season pages to avoid duplication. Ray
... on this AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amin Wright - CrazyRussian talk/ contribs/ email 13:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject NBA/US Basketballers Notability Proposal, expanded a bit.
Hi. As you may have noticed, I kinda shot off on my own and started doing team season-by-season records all the way back to the start of the franchise. It's been bugging me that I had to search online in different places to find this info, so I'm putting it all here, where it belongs. I'm delineating NBA vs. non-NBA stats for totalling. I'm about halfway done with the teams by now. --- Kermitmorningstar 06:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Boston Celtics vs. Philadelphia 76ers: The Sixers were one of the only two teams to prevent the Celtics to win ten consecutive championships and challenged them for the Eastern Conference championship numerous times. When Dr. J arrived in Philadelphia (after the ABA-NBA merger), the Sixers dueled the Celtics again, reaching the finals in 1982 and winning it all in 1983 (with Moses Malone's "fo', fo', fo'" becoming a "fo', fi', fo'").
Philadelpha 76ers vs. Los Angeles Lakers: The Sixers and the Lakers clashed in the Finals three times in the 1980s (1980, 1982, and 1983), with the Lakers winning the first two meetings and the Sixers sweeping in 1983. The rivalry was revisited in 2001 when the Allen Iverson-led 76ers stunned the Lakers in the first game at Los Angeles before the Lakers took the next four.
New York Knickerbockers vs. Minneapolis Lakers & Los Angeles Lakers: There existed a rivalry between the New York Knickerbockers and the Lakers (during both the Minneapolis and the Los Angeles eras). The Minneapolis Lakers and the New York Knicks met in the 1952 and 1953 Finals with the Lakers winning both confrontations.
By the time the Lakers moved to the Great Western Forum in Inglewood, California, the Knicks-Lakers rivalry took on different meanings: East vs. West, Broadway vs. Hollywood. In 1970, 1972, and 1973, the New York Knicks and Los Angeles Lakers met in the Finals. The Knicks won in 1970 (which featured Willis Reed's inspirational joining with his Knick teammates despite injury) and 1973, while the Lakers won in 1972 (the same year they posted a then-record in regular season wins-losses: 69-13).
Dallas Mavericks vs. San Antonio Spurs: These two Texas teams, Dallas always with Dirk Nowitzki, San Antonio always with Tim Duncan, have clashed in the postseason in 2001, 2003, and 2006. Recent key events include longtime Maverick Michael Finley joining the Spurs after being waived by the amnesty clause, the "biting incident" involving Robert Horry and Jerry Stackhouse, and the low punch by Jason Terry on Finley. Now that the Mavericks have defeated the Spurs in a postseason series (at San Antonio as well), this is certainly a rivalry.
Someone else mentioned about the Heat and the Pistons having a rivalry. Both teams have met in the postseason twice, splitting those series. The same can be said about the Dallas Mavericks and the Phoenix Suns, especially due to the fact that Steve Nash left the Mavericks to rejoin the Suns. In my opinion, if those teams of a pair meet again in the postseason or if something significant happens when they meet in the regular season (not necessarily with the magnitude of that of the Palace Brawl, but significant enough to have an impact), then we've got a rivalry.
If anybody is willing to spend some time researching, adding, and elaborating these rivalries on Rivalries of the NBA, feel free to do so.
DaDoc540 00:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I'm from WikiProject NBL. Just letting you know that I created at template called {{Infobox nbl player}}. Please feel free to rename this as NBA, and then do whatever you want with it. See the Brett Maher article for an example. Cheers, Jasrocks ( talk) 11:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I looked at the history pages of the teams that said they should be updated but they look fine to me. Some of them have a lot more than others though. BryanAtkinson 07:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Someone's been adjusting the Kings and Pacers rosters to reflect a Jeff Foster/Sarunas Jasikevicius for Bonzi Wells trade. I haven't found any evidence to support the position that such a trade has been made, and indeed any articles I can find about Wells going to Indy have been of the position that it's not very likely, and that a trade for Al Harrington is much more likely. ekedolphin 05:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
In case anyone was interested... Zagalejo 18:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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Good to see an NBA project up, and hopefully soon running well. I'd definitely make the priority getting boxes like the Spurs one on every page. Also, I really don't like the mentions of rivalries on pages. This is pretty POV. From a neutral NBA fan's perspective (no team, just love the game), I'd say the only real rivalry in NBA history was Lakers-Celtics in the 1980s. These change quickly (currently the only one is everyone v. Duncan, and maybe Shaq v. Kobe). These should all be cut from the articles. Also, try to get a little template to lead people to the project from NBA-related talk pages. Nice start though. Harro5 July 8, 2005 02:23 (UTC)
It says in the Playoffs section of the NBA page "Although the playoff brackets are not reseeded, home-court advantage is based strictly on regular-season record, without regard to whether a team won its division." This surely is no longer the case as the winner of a division is now guaranteed a playoff spot. -- NBA-Forum.net 20:54, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
The winner of each division is guaranteed a top-3 seed, but now homecourt advantage isn't based on seeding, it is based on which team has the better regualr-season record. For example, if some team wins the Atlantic Division with a dismal record, for example (45-37), and earns the 3rd seed, but some other team gets the 6th seed with a record better than (45-37), the 6th seed will get homecourt advantage. In this case, homecourt advantage would've been decided solely on the regular-season record and not on whether or not the team won its division. King 07:48, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
...as happened this year with the Nuggets/Clippers. :-) --- Kermitmorningstar 06:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Comment: don't mess with timestamps. Format is "%H:%i, %d %M %Y". Correcting July 8, 2005 07:18 (UTC); 03:48, July 10, 2005 (UTC); 09:18, August 31, 2005 (UTC) Pldx1 ( talk) 11:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
I would like to see articles on the individual championship series in the NBA. All of the other major American leagues have articles on them; I don't know why the NBA doesn't. I don't think I'll be able to contribute to these very well, but I'm just putting this up as a suggestion. bob rulz 07:18, 8 July 2005 (UTC)
That may take some time, but that is a terrific idea! Just like the 2005 NBA Finals article. That's a long term goal we should keep in mind for this project. Dknights411 03:48, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
I've been trying to write/expand the 2004 NBA Finals article to match the 2005 one's substantial size. The 2001 NBA Finals, 2002 NBA Finals, 2003 NBA Finals and 2004 Finals articles should all be relatively easy to create and/or expand because they all have official NBA-hosted websites still online. King 09:18, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
One thing that I did with the Portland Trail Blazers page is to move the team history information (I contributed quite a bit of stuff) into it's own page--mainly because I got the "32k limit" warning. There's a lot of history 'bout the Trail Blazers. On the main page I try to use mainly the present tense.
Comments on this editorial approach?
Also, there are a lot of NBA personalities who are still red links...
[User:EngineerScotty 7/8/05 10:43 PDT]
I like that approach, although I still can't believe you chronicled the history of the Blazers in two pages while teams like the Lakers and the Kings don't have a thing yet!!! My hats off to you. Dknights411 04:29, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
Just a note. According to the NBA's official web site for the Philadelphia 76ers, their predicessors, the Syracuse Nationals were founded in 1939, and were a charter member of the National Basketball league in 1946. NoseNuggets 1:13 US EST Nov 2 2005.
I just finished looking at the New York Knickerbockers page, and the near end of the article is filled with various updates, but some of them are speculations, such as the future of Knicks coach Larry Brown. I think we should discourage people from writing speculation in the history sections and only add actual occurrances. (e.g. Do not add or cite sources that suggest that Larry Brown could resign, accept a buyout, get fired, etc. Do enter information once it occurs; if Larry Brown does leave the Knicks for some reason, add it only once it occurs.)
DaDoc540 04:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking if we made the current roster section of each team into a template, fans would be more likely to have the template for their team on their user page and would be more likely to keep the information up to date (rather than one of us). Does anyone agree? If so, I can work on getting it started. KSchutte 22:40, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree 100%! Can't wait to see it. Dknights411 04:33, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
How does this rank for style and ease of editing? KSchutte 22:10, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
You did a good job here! Style-wise, it could use a few tweaks, but for editing purposes, it's very simple. We should get these tables put on as soon as possible (but we have to rename the template first of cousre). Dknights411 23:35, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
I've done them for my teams, the Boston Celtics and the Sacramento Kings. KSchutte 16:24, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
[I copied this discussion from Talk:Milwaukee Bucks. Please add comments. mtz206 21:18, July 13, 2005 (UTC)]
While Bogut is very very likely going to be a starter, it seems premature to list him as a "current" starter. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. -- mtz206 23:55, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
I would agree that it is hard to keep an up-to-date starting roster for each team. I would propose just listing the rosters, as suggested above. That's exactly what you find on the NBA team sites, but then at least it'll have links to player articles. I also agree that the "Gone but not forgotten" section is shaky ground. For a team like the Lakers this section includes guys like Shaq and Byron Scott – important guys – but then Memphis mentions Bryant Reeves!?! This guy isn't gone and not forgotten, he's just walked off the face of the earth. We need to think up some criteria – maybe they have to have an article if they're a post-1980 player, and they have to have done something (All Star, lead league in points, Championship team starter, etc.). This should be discussed and a set criteria developed. Harro5 03:14, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
I think it would be good if we added a "Current activity" section to the Project's main page, as it would allow people passing through to see what we're up to and also tell members what they can do and what others are currently doing. It would be a good idea to add some sort of prioritsed list (eg. the current rosters templates as our #1 at present, as well as raising our profile) so that someone who joins our cause doesn't try to start writing the history of the finals on their own and end up leaving because it was too much work. Thoughts on this? I'll start a bit of a list – feel free to tweak it. Harro5 23:58, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I went looking for the above in Wikipedia a while ago and couldn't find it anywhere, but I just found a offhand reference to it in the Chicago Bulls article, which doesn't really make it any clearer (although I assume it was a series winning shot after the buzzer). From outside the US where I am, it's not widely known about, but is of interest- I thought it referred to a baseball game and yet I'm a basketball fan! Could someone who knows more either make a page for it, or a clear explaination within an existing appropriate page? Coyote-37 10:51, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
The "Shot Heard 'Round the World" in terms of sports refers to New York (now San Francisco) Giants player Bobby Thompson's Home Run that beat the Brooklyn (now Los Angeles) Dodgers in 1951. The win gave the Giants the National League pennant (hence the famous call "The Giants win the pennant!"). The phrase in terms of basketball has been used numerous times (Jordan over Ehlo in 89, Christian Laettner's game winner in 92 for Duke, John Paxon's shot in 93, even Robert Horry's game winner against Sacramento in 2002). The use of the phrase varies amoung fans in basketball. Hope that helps you out a bit. Dknights411 17:32, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
I was writing the above comment when it hit me that the NBA should have a list of memorable moments article. Anyone else think this is a good idea? Dknights411 17:32, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
I think we should come up with a final decision on "Main Rivals" on the team articles. Harro5 brought up some POV issues above, and I think "Main Rivals" on the individual team not only makes a page vulnerable for POV issues, but it also makes pages more vulnerable for vandalism, case in point, listing almost half the league as one team's "Main Rival". Personally, I'd like to see the "Main Rivals" on the team pages go. But what do you guys think? Dknights411 02:21, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
Ok, how's this for a solution to the whole "Main Rivals" problem?
1. No mention of "Main Rivals" on the team General Information table.
2. Any mention of any rivalries, past or present, should be listed in a "Noted Rivalries" section at the end of the "Team History" section of the team article.
Anyone else think that's a good idea? Dknights411 00:11, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
Agreed, sorta. My only question is the criteria for present rivalries, and afterwards how a rivalry would be considered "past" and thus more fairly judged as a notable rivalry or not. Or is all this something to be agreed upon by masses of the team's fans in the present and future? King 10:03, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
Well, everyone, today's the day that the moratorium on player movement ended, and people are now signing with new teams and being traded by their older ones. It's been said, but please bear in mind that we should only update the rosters if it's official-- please check the team's page on NBA.com before changing anything. We should also remember that, obviously, when one team signs a free agent, another team has lost him-- so that team's roster page also needs to be updated. And we need to go into that player's page and change the necessary information, as well as add him to that team category.
It's gonna be a lot of redundant busywork, but I know we can accomplish it together! ekedolphin 00:07, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
Here's an idea. I was thinking that we create seperate articles that chronicles the history of the NBA season by season, like a 1990-91 NBA Season article, a 1991-92 NBA Season article, and so on. Any thoughts?
Incredibly ambitious, incredibly comprehensive and incredibly hard to do... I like it! King 06:56, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I did a quick summary of this past season, and this coming season hopefully as template for all the other seasons. Last Year and This Year. As of right now, all seasons from 1997–98 to now are up. If you have additional information, suggestions, partaning to these seasons, please feel free to contribute. Dknights411 03:32, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
A while back I tried to do some stuff on some of the NBDL pages, but I typically don't have enough time. I know the league isn't of great interest to many people, but it could become a larger part of the sports world, especially if it is expanded into a full and true minor league system like Stern wants. Any chance this could be incorporated into this WikiProject? Most of the pages could use some major work.
EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 04:03, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Technically, the NBDL is a part of the NBA since they created it in the first place. I think we can work with the D-League. Anybody else agree? Dknights411 04:11, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
WikiFanatic started Wikipedia:WikiProject Basketball just recently and some users of this project suggested that it should be merged with this one. Though I recognize the importance of the NBA to basketball all over the world, I don't feel that such requests are really reasonable. Basketball is a popular sport all over the world and starting a general, truly international project sounds like a very good idea to me. I urge all of the participants of this project to try encourage WikiFanatics initiative instead of asking him to conform to the rather more limited scope of this project. This doesn't mean that more specific projects don't have a place on Wikipedia, but they should definetly not try to assimilate those that aim to have a broader scope.
Peter Isotalo 19:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if this is the best place where to post, but I've noticed that on players' personal pages you always refer to past European teams with the nations (eg: a player who came from Virtus Bologna -> came from Italy) and not with the club names. Basketball players like Olowokandi or Doc Rivers haven't mentions about their experiences with italian teams and this is for the most part of the players (Russians, Serbians, generally all players with European experiences). I think it would be better to fix this, respecting European fans (I would remember you that even more teams are signing European leagues players) and to the information that will be more complete (="there isn't only the NBA!"). Unfortunately I'm not so expert to fix all the players. Sorry for my English, I'm Italian.
(it was me -> -- necronudist 16:56, 4 November 2005 (UTC))
Buying an Italian magazine I've found an year-by-year list of 5 players who's intended to be the "best players' roster of the year" in every NBA season (from 1946–47 to 2004-05). There are also "all rookies teams" from 1962–63 to 2004-05). I haven't seen anything about that in NBA articles, so my question is: are this some sort of official rosters or are they only the suppositions of the magazine? (there isn't written if are official rosters or magazine's). If they're official I can wiki them. (or, if the "NBA seasons year-by-year" project will begin they could be part of it). Let me know! -- necronudist 15:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
You go through [1] and in the Awards winner section, there is the official list of all the all-NBA teams, even the all Defensive team. Hope that helps. Dknights411 16:33, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Yes it is! So it's official...I haven't found any reference in the wikipedia, so I can start new pages like "All-NBA Teams", "All-Rookie Teams" and "All-Defensive Teams"... can I? (sorry but i'm a newbie... it would be my first contribute, I'm very cautious) -- necronudist 16:53, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I've added the player career and trade report to Alaa Abdelnaby (d'you like them? found'em useful?) and I'm planning to do it for many other players. I was wondering if there are some templates who can make easier and standardized my work. More generally: can someone create a template to apply to all NBA (maybe also one for non-NBA) players? -- necronudist 21:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Although it isn't strictly an NBA matter, I'd really like to do some serious work on the ABA team pages. I've already cleaned up a couple of the articles, but I'd like to develop a template along the same lines as for the NBA teams; what do you think? The main problem is the number of relocations; I like the approach of the Pittsburgh Pipers article which covers the entire life of the franchise, including years they weren't called the Pipers and even when they didn't even play in Pittsburgh. If I could use the NBA team template, with the different colours and stuff, to illustrate the different periods in the team's evolution it might make articles like that a lot less confusing. Fosse8 13:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I noticed that players with common names are disambiguated differently. To avoid red links and duplicate articles, I'd like to see this standardized. Examples of the various conventions in use include:
and even...
Of course the most notorious basketball-related naming confusion involves these three:
Anybody else care to weigh in on this?
See Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion#November 17 -- necronudist 11:57, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Jorje29 has added hoopsstats.com fantasy statistics links to all or almost all of the player and team articles. Is this desireable? I would argue that one stats link is enough for an article, but I'm not a fantasy player. What are other opinions? -- DDerby- (talk) 08:05, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Im just wondering if there is any criteria before deleting/adding external links to fan sites. After visiting a couple of teams I noticed that most fan sites seem to be self promotion with little or no new content being updated and no user-base or any vital information. Is it fine to just leave them on or better to delete them?
In case you haven't noticed, there is a new, more streamlined infobox available that was first posted on the Seattle SuperSonics page. To whoever set this up, JOB WELL DONE!!! We should use this template on all the team pages. Dknights411 06:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I just noticed User:Alakazam adding www.sportsecyclopedia.com links to each basketball team article. He/she isn't a new user nor has past behavior of spamming, (also the site has a decent Alexa rating – 141,000). But, I don't like the mass adding of links, as it has the appearance of spam. What's your thought on adding this link the the articles? Worth including? or not?
I also think many of the other links in the team articles look no more informative and useful than sportsencyclopedia, and might be worth trimming. See External links guidelines and WikiProject Spam for more information on the guidelines and ongoing efforts. Thanks. -- Aude ( talk | contribs) 20:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I would encourage members of this wikiproject to check out the following AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NBA Drafts. Maybe the list deserves to go, maybe it doesn't. But as of now, i dont think any members of this project have voted thus far. Whether you agree with my comments on the AfD or not, wikipedia as a whole would benefit from your opinion. Cheers. Youngamerican 21:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles? Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot! Gflores Talk 17:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I took a moment to add History of the Dallas Mavericks to the WikiProject, if any of you would like to take a look at. It was an article that I contributed significantly to through the mid-'90s (though I did so back when the history page was still part of the main Mavericks article), and I'm very pleased with how it's progressed.
Not to pat myself on the back or anything. ;) ekedolphin 21:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Kudos to whoever started the coach succession boxes. I've added numerous ones, and at least three teams are complete (Portland, Seattle, and Orlando). In many cases, I also created articles on NBA coaches who didn't have one (and was surprised to find that several NBA notables, including Frank Layden and Stu Jackson, didn't have articles at all!). In some cases, articles were created for guys like Bill Berry (basketball) (who coached the Bulls for two games) who are otherwise not very notable--but I think if you are a head NBA coach for even a single game, that confers notability.
A few comments/questions:
-- EngineerScotty 22:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
I'll post a list of teams which have complete coach box chains (meaning every head coach has an article, even if just a stub, and a chain of succ boxes lead from the initial coach to the current one) on the project page.
A big obstacle remains that lots of NBA head coaches do not yet have articles. -- EngineerScotty 06:36, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
-- jiy ( talk) 21:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
I was looking through the NBA and did not find the All-NBA first team and All-NBA second team articles. I think it would be a good idea to create them. Also lists for each year and records (who has been most times, etc) would be useful Joelito 23:52, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
A new user, Mikebrand, has created a player-position chart for the Spurs which you can see at San Antonio Spurs#Player Positions. I think it looks really good, and adds a good bit of information to the page. What does everyone think about making this kind of box standard for all team pages? E WS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:26, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I could design a Template:Hoops depth-chart if the demand is great enough. — May. 30, '06 [06:37] < freak| talk>
I've been going through the old NBA Draft pages, many of which are either complete but not uniform to the newer pages, woefully incomplete, or missing altogether. Does anyone else think that it is a worthwhile endeavor to complete the entire Draft database and give it a uniform template? -- fuzzy510 20:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I was surprised to see that there was no infobox for basketball players. I was also pretty WTF at the current "infoboxes" on some players – unwieldly and difficult to edit and mantain. Could someone create an infobox? I'm too casual – I wouldn't know what information to include. Hbdragon88 23:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm doing "years in basketball" similar to the "years in baseball". One such article is 2002 in basketball. The "year in basketball" is a way to access a yearly event for basketball at one location. I'm referencing your NBA Season pages to avoid duplication. Ray
... on this AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amin Wright - CrazyRussian talk/ contribs/ email 13:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject NBA/US Basketballers Notability Proposal, expanded a bit.
Hi. As you may have noticed, I kinda shot off on my own and started doing team season-by-season records all the way back to the start of the franchise. It's been bugging me that I had to search online in different places to find this info, so I'm putting it all here, where it belongs. I'm delineating NBA vs. non-NBA stats for totalling. I'm about halfway done with the teams by now. --- Kermitmorningstar 06:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Boston Celtics vs. Philadelphia 76ers: The Sixers were one of the only two teams to prevent the Celtics to win ten consecutive championships and challenged them for the Eastern Conference championship numerous times. When Dr. J arrived in Philadelphia (after the ABA-NBA merger), the Sixers dueled the Celtics again, reaching the finals in 1982 and winning it all in 1983 (with Moses Malone's "fo', fo', fo'" becoming a "fo', fi', fo'").
Philadelpha 76ers vs. Los Angeles Lakers: The Sixers and the Lakers clashed in the Finals three times in the 1980s (1980, 1982, and 1983), with the Lakers winning the first two meetings and the Sixers sweeping in 1983. The rivalry was revisited in 2001 when the Allen Iverson-led 76ers stunned the Lakers in the first game at Los Angeles before the Lakers took the next four.
New York Knickerbockers vs. Minneapolis Lakers & Los Angeles Lakers: There existed a rivalry between the New York Knickerbockers and the Lakers (during both the Minneapolis and the Los Angeles eras). The Minneapolis Lakers and the New York Knicks met in the 1952 and 1953 Finals with the Lakers winning both confrontations.
By the time the Lakers moved to the Great Western Forum in Inglewood, California, the Knicks-Lakers rivalry took on different meanings: East vs. West, Broadway vs. Hollywood. In 1970, 1972, and 1973, the New York Knicks and Los Angeles Lakers met in the Finals. The Knicks won in 1970 (which featured Willis Reed's inspirational joining with his Knick teammates despite injury) and 1973, while the Lakers won in 1972 (the same year they posted a then-record in regular season wins-losses: 69-13).
Dallas Mavericks vs. San Antonio Spurs: These two Texas teams, Dallas always with Dirk Nowitzki, San Antonio always with Tim Duncan, have clashed in the postseason in 2001, 2003, and 2006. Recent key events include longtime Maverick Michael Finley joining the Spurs after being waived by the amnesty clause, the "biting incident" involving Robert Horry and Jerry Stackhouse, and the low punch by Jason Terry on Finley. Now that the Mavericks have defeated the Spurs in a postseason series (at San Antonio as well), this is certainly a rivalry.
Someone else mentioned about the Heat and the Pistons having a rivalry. Both teams have met in the postseason twice, splitting those series. The same can be said about the Dallas Mavericks and the Phoenix Suns, especially due to the fact that Steve Nash left the Mavericks to rejoin the Suns. In my opinion, if those teams of a pair meet again in the postseason or if something significant happens when they meet in the regular season (not necessarily with the magnitude of that of the Palace Brawl, but significant enough to have an impact), then we've got a rivalry.
If anybody is willing to spend some time researching, adding, and elaborating these rivalries on Rivalries of the NBA, feel free to do so.
DaDoc540 00:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I'm from WikiProject NBL. Just letting you know that I created at template called {{Infobox nbl player}}. Please feel free to rename this as NBA, and then do whatever you want with it. See the Brett Maher article for an example. Cheers, Jasrocks ( talk) 11:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I looked at the history pages of the teams that said they should be updated but they look fine to me. Some of them have a lot more than others though. BryanAtkinson 07:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Someone's been adjusting the Kings and Pacers rosters to reflect a Jeff Foster/Sarunas Jasikevicius for Bonzi Wells trade. I haven't found any evidence to support the position that such a trade has been made, and indeed any articles I can find about Wells going to Indy have been of the position that it's not very likely, and that a trade for Al Harrington is much more likely. ekedolphin 05:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
In case anyone was interested... Zagalejo 18:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)