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Well, based on previous September election times, we're about 21/2 to 3 weeks away from the election, so I thought we might want to plan for it now rather than the night before! What needs to be done to set up the election page, and what preparations do we need to take care of, aside from many notifications (in the Bugle, on the main talk page, etc.)? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Are we going to follow the general pattern of the last few elections? I was thinking:
I think we should use the standard page construction ( election page, Status page, Tally table). There was a suggestion in the comments section of the last election that we should split "Comments and questions" section into two sections: "Questions for XXX" "Comments about XXX." Is everyone amenable to this? Woody ( talk) 21:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
I've also turned on the main announcement banner, which should appear on all tab-format pages within the project. Kirill [talk] [prof] 16:03, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Just a quick note to say I won't be re-standing - I simply don't have the time to edit Wikipedia nowadays. While I'm happy to help as much as possible, it would be more sensible if someone who has the time to do all the co-ord tasks took the spot. I'm always more than happy to help out where I can and will keep this page on my watchlist in case I have two pence to add to anything. Cheers everyone for a good 18 months though! Ranger Steve Talk 19:22, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
A quick note just to elaborate a little on my position over at the reelection page. I'd would like to stand again, but given my noticeable absence to the last few months and the lack of A-class work I've done here for the latter half of the tranche I'm thinking it may be better for me stand down and let others rise up to fill my slot. From the looks of it right now I'm the longest serving coordinator, which says something about how much I like the project, but if I'm not around to do the work then the point of being a coordinator becomes moot. I'll be happy to lend support from the position of a retired coordinator, or that of a Coordinator Emeritus if the project decides to put me up for that position, but after much thought I've decide that unless we come up short in this election I'm going to finally pass the torch rather than stand again :) TomStar81 ( Talk) 03:23, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed that a few people have a lot more articles listed at GAN, ACR and FAC than they've reviewed and I'm thinking about making some sort of announcement. Something like" it has come to our attention that some editors are submitting more articles for review at GAN, ACR and FAC than they've reviewed. Please try to review one article for every one that you submit. This will help to reduce the queues and the time taken to review everyone's articles. You don't need to be a subject matter expert to review an article. You can read it for prose quality, adherence to the WP:MOS, check for copyvio or close paraphrasing, or even see if it makes sense to a non-specialist. The editor might be using a lot of jargon that a general reader might not know and needs to have explained or linked." What do y'all think?-- Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 04:45, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I will be away now until 29 September. If you wouldn't mind, could a couple of co-ords please watchlist my talkpage and respond if anyone asks some general project-related questions? Regarding the election, I've mentioned this to Ed earlier, but I will post here for wider dissemination: I won't be contesting the election this time. I wish all those that put their hat into the ring all the best, though, and when I get back I'll be more than happy to provide advice if any new co-ord has a question. Cheers, AustralianRupert ( talk) 09:02, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
I've verified about half of the contest entries. If somebody else could finish them up and pass out the appropriate awards, I'd be grateful.-- Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 01:53, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I think we could be getting a better response from potential reviewers than we're getting. Feel free to respond below my points, start subsections, go off on a tangent, whatever. - Dank ( push to talk)
Guys, re. Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/List of Spanish Cross in Gold with Swords and Diamonds recipients, listed for closure above, can anyone confirm for me that we treat withdrawn noms precisely the same way we do those with no consensus, i.e. updating article history with "not approved", archiving under failed noms, etc? As opposed to just removing from the list like they were never there? Cheers, Ian Rose ( talk) 23:54, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I've just been through and archived the old award noms, which led on to tidying up the two ACM archive pages—one was in alphabetical order by awardee and the other was in date order. I've merged the two to the first archive page ( Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Awards/ACR/Archive_1) which has left the second archive page ( Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Awards/ACR/Archive_2) empty. So... should we:
EyeSerene talk 16:56, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Another question: is there any way to disable the NOEDITSECTION that's being picked up from the talkarchive template? I suspect not as the template isn't subst'ed, but edit section links would also greatly help with editability. In which case, can we perhaps use a different archive template, a custom one or none at all? EyeSerene talk 08:05, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Cam, Dana and Shimgray are our remaining uncommitted standing coords. I've pinged Dana and Shimgray on their talk pages but Cam hasn't edited since the end of August. Should we regard him as not standing this time? I don't recall if he mentioned anything during the summer. EyeSerene talk 13:18, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
As part of our plan to deprecate the logistics department, I've been working on a new format for the member directory. A prototype is up for comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Strategy#New format for member directory, and any feedback would be appreciated. Kirill [talk] [prof] 18:02, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
It is with the utmost sense of sorrow that I report to the project that Bahamut0013 ( talk · contribs) has passed away. A US Marine and a combat veteran, he was a proud member of the Military history Project, and of Operation Majestic Titan. I have taken the liberty of nominating him for OMT's Silver Titan's Cross, and would suggestion considering noting this news in the next bugle edition. TomStar81 ( Talk) 23:39, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
I have formally awarded Bahamut0013 the Titan's Cross in Silver per consensus on the OMT award page to do so. He becomes the first ever project member to receive the Silver variant of the Titan's Cross, and is the first person to receive a Titan's Cross in 15 months. TomStar81 ( Talk) 06:08, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Very sorry to hear this news - Bahamut/Robert was a really decent guy and will be missed. EyeSerene talk 07:40, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Were we planning to send out individual notices about the coordinator election to each member? Now might be a good time for us to do so, as we're about halfway through the voting period.
On a slightly more general note, is our current newsletter delivery bot—and I'm unfortunately not quite sure which one we're using at the moment—authorized for general messages as well? Or would we need to use another bot for something like the election notice? Kirill [talk] [prof] 14:48, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
I do not expect anyone to act on what I am about to write until next year's election, nor for that matter do I believe that this is something that we need to do, but in the spirit of determining where the he stood on the matter I asked Parsecboy if he would accept the position of Coordinator Emeritus if nominated and he replied that he would. If in the twelve months you guys decide that the project would be furthered by appointing Parsecboy to the Emeritus position you now know he will accept, so if you can find a good justification for bumping him to the role go for it.
On an similar but unrelated note, I would like to propose that any candidate for the position of Coordinator Emeritus be required to wait one election in which he or she holds no coordinator slot so as to evaluate how well the project does in the absence of the user in question. In some cases, I accept that the project will discover it can operate just fine without the candidate, but in others I suspect that the project will end up leaning on the candidate for help owing either to expertise or familiarity with a given set of problems. This happened with Kirill, when he retired as Lead Coordinator we ended up Co-Opting him during Roger Davies first term, then during the second election appointed Kirill to the position of Coordinator Emeritus. Roger Davies, on the other hand, was elected to the position of Emeritus in the same term he announced that he would not seek reelection. Since we recognize the position of Emeritus to be outside term cycles (and thus freed from reconfirmation in the election cycles) I feel this proposal would be beneficial in help us determine who we need in the role of Emeritus vs who we can simply co-opt as a coordinator if the need to do so arises. Additionally, by adopting this proposal we can standardize the Coordinator Emeritus criteria so as to avoid perceptions of favoritism in the selection of future (if any) Coordinator Emeriti. Thoughts? TomStar81 ( Talk) 23:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks to all of you for the kindness of extending a second WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves to me-- it is most appreciated! I've had a rough few life-changing years, with a cross-country move and ongoing construction to get re-settled, there have been days, weeks, and months where keeping up with my Wikiwork felt overwhelming, and I haven't always been my usually patient self; your recognition means a lot to me and has helped me regain some of the joy I had in my work here before life got so crazy. Best regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Apparently, changes to the project (like the adoption of C-class) have been made that are meant to help the project, which is all well good; however, no one is apparently checking these changes against information stored in our Academy. As a result, we now have outdated info there, which isn't exactly going to help the new people making use of what limited material we have managed to add there. I would ask that a few good men join me over the coming weekend to read through everything we have and make sure that the outdated info is turned into updated info, and to prevent this from happening again I would suggest endowing our group with the responsibility of monitoring and updating academy material to reflect these project changes from here on out. TomStar81 ( Talk) 07:49, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
This Military history WikiProject page is an archive, log collection, or currently inactive page; it is kept primarily for historical interest. |
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 30 | ← | Archive 35 | Archive 36 | Archive 37 | Archive 38 | Archive 39 | Archive 40 |
Well, based on previous September election times, we're about 21/2 to 3 weeks away from the election, so I thought we might want to plan for it now rather than the night before! What needs to be done to set up the election page, and what preparations do we need to take care of, aside from many notifications (in the Bugle, on the main talk page, etc.)? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Are we going to follow the general pattern of the last few elections? I was thinking:
I think we should use the standard page construction ( election page, Status page, Tally table). There was a suggestion in the comments section of the last election that we should split "Comments and questions" section into two sections: "Questions for XXX" "Comments about XXX." Is everyone amenable to this? Woody ( talk) 21:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
I've also turned on the main announcement banner, which should appear on all tab-format pages within the project. Kirill [talk] [prof] 16:03, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Just a quick note to say I won't be re-standing - I simply don't have the time to edit Wikipedia nowadays. While I'm happy to help as much as possible, it would be more sensible if someone who has the time to do all the co-ord tasks took the spot. I'm always more than happy to help out where I can and will keep this page on my watchlist in case I have two pence to add to anything. Cheers everyone for a good 18 months though! Ranger Steve Talk 19:22, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
A quick note just to elaborate a little on my position over at the reelection page. I'd would like to stand again, but given my noticeable absence to the last few months and the lack of A-class work I've done here for the latter half of the tranche I'm thinking it may be better for me stand down and let others rise up to fill my slot. From the looks of it right now I'm the longest serving coordinator, which says something about how much I like the project, but if I'm not around to do the work then the point of being a coordinator becomes moot. I'll be happy to lend support from the position of a retired coordinator, or that of a Coordinator Emeritus if the project decides to put me up for that position, but after much thought I've decide that unless we come up short in this election I'm going to finally pass the torch rather than stand again :) TomStar81 ( Talk) 03:23, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed that a few people have a lot more articles listed at GAN, ACR and FAC than they've reviewed and I'm thinking about making some sort of announcement. Something like" it has come to our attention that some editors are submitting more articles for review at GAN, ACR and FAC than they've reviewed. Please try to review one article for every one that you submit. This will help to reduce the queues and the time taken to review everyone's articles. You don't need to be a subject matter expert to review an article. You can read it for prose quality, adherence to the WP:MOS, check for copyvio or close paraphrasing, or even see if it makes sense to a non-specialist. The editor might be using a lot of jargon that a general reader might not know and needs to have explained or linked." What do y'all think?-- Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 04:45, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I will be away now until 29 September. If you wouldn't mind, could a couple of co-ords please watchlist my talkpage and respond if anyone asks some general project-related questions? Regarding the election, I've mentioned this to Ed earlier, but I will post here for wider dissemination: I won't be contesting the election this time. I wish all those that put their hat into the ring all the best, though, and when I get back I'll be more than happy to provide advice if any new co-ord has a question. Cheers, AustralianRupert ( talk) 09:02, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
I've verified about half of the contest entries. If somebody else could finish them up and pass out the appropriate awards, I'd be grateful.-- Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 01:53, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I think we could be getting a better response from potential reviewers than we're getting. Feel free to respond below my points, start subsections, go off on a tangent, whatever. - Dank ( push to talk)
Guys, re. Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/List of Spanish Cross in Gold with Swords and Diamonds recipients, listed for closure above, can anyone confirm for me that we treat withdrawn noms precisely the same way we do those with no consensus, i.e. updating article history with "not approved", archiving under failed noms, etc? As opposed to just removing from the list like they were never there? Cheers, Ian Rose ( talk) 23:54, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I've just been through and archived the old award noms, which led on to tidying up the two ACM archive pages—one was in alphabetical order by awardee and the other was in date order. I've merged the two to the first archive page ( Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Awards/ACR/Archive_1) which has left the second archive page ( Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Awards/ACR/Archive_2) empty. So... should we:
EyeSerene talk 16:56, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Another question: is there any way to disable the NOEDITSECTION that's being picked up from the talkarchive template? I suspect not as the template isn't subst'ed, but edit section links would also greatly help with editability. In which case, can we perhaps use a different archive template, a custom one or none at all? EyeSerene talk 08:05, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Cam, Dana and Shimgray are our remaining uncommitted standing coords. I've pinged Dana and Shimgray on their talk pages but Cam hasn't edited since the end of August. Should we regard him as not standing this time? I don't recall if he mentioned anything during the summer. EyeSerene talk 13:18, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
As part of our plan to deprecate the logistics department, I've been working on a new format for the member directory. A prototype is up for comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Strategy#New format for member directory, and any feedback would be appreciated. Kirill [talk] [prof] 18:02, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
It is with the utmost sense of sorrow that I report to the project that Bahamut0013 ( talk · contribs) has passed away. A US Marine and a combat veteran, he was a proud member of the Military history Project, and of Operation Majestic Titan. I have taken the liberty of nominating him for OMT's Silver Titan's Cross, and would suggestion considering noting this news in the next bugle edition. TomStar81 ( Talk) 23:39, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
I have formally awarded Bahamut0013 the Titan's Cross in Silver per consensus on the OMT award page to do so. He becomes the first ever project member to receive the Silver variant of the Titan's Cross, and is the first person to receive a Titan's Cross in 15 months. TomStar81 ( Talk) 06:08, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Very sorry to hear this news - Bahamut/Robert was a really decent guy and will be missed. EyeSerene talk 07:40, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Were we planning to send out individual notices about the coordinator election to each member? Now might be a good time for us to do so, as we're about halfway through the voting period.
On a slightly more general note, is our current newsletter delivery bot—and I'm unfortunately not quite sure which one we're using at the moment—authorized for general messages as well? Or would we need to use another bot for something like the election notice? Kirill [talk] [prof] 14:48, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
I do not expect anyone to act on what I am about to write until next year's election, nor for that matter do I believe that this is something that we need to do, but in the spirit of determining where the he stood on the matter I asked Parsecboy if he would accept the position of Coordinator Emeritus if nominated and he replied that he would. If in the twelve months you guys decide that the project would be furthered by appointing Parsecboy to the Emeritus position you now know he will accept, so if you can find a good justification for bumping him to the role go for it.
On an similar but unrelated note, I would like to propose that any candidate for the position of Coordinator Emeritus be required to wait one election in which he or she holds no coordinator slot so as to evaluate how well the project does in the absence of the user in question. In some cases, I accept that the project will discover it can operate just fine without the candidate, but in others I suspect that the project will end up leaning on the candidate for help owing either to expertise or familiarity with a given set of problems. This happened with Kirill, when he retired as Lead Coordinator we ended up Co-Opting him during Roger Davies first term, then during the second election appointed Kirill to the position of Coordinator Emeritus. Roger Davies, on the other hand, was elected to the position of Emeritus in the same term he announced that he would not seek reelection. Since we recognize the position of Emeritus to be outside term cycles (and thus freed from reconfirmation in the election cycles) I feel this proposal would be beneficial in help us determine who we need in the role of Emeritus vs who we can simply co-opt as a coordinator if the need to do so arises. Additionally, by adopting this proposal we can standardize the Coordinator Emeritus criteria so as to avoid perceptions of favoritism in the selection of future (if any) Coordinator Emeriti. Thoughts? TomStar81 ( Talk) 23:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks to all of you for the kindness of extending a second WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves to me-- it is most appreciated! I've had a rough few life-changing years, with a cross-country move and ongoing construction to get re-settled, there have been days, weeks, and months where keeping up with my Wikiwork felt overwhelming, and I haven't always been my usually patient self; your recognition means a lot to me and has helped me regain some of the joy I had in my work here before life got so crazy. Best regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Apparently, changes to the project (like the adoption of C-class) have been made that are meant to help the project, which is all well good; however, no one is apparently checking these changes against information stored in our Academy. As a result, we now have outdated info there, which isn't exactly going to help the new people making use of what limited material we have managed to add there. I would ask that a few good men join me over the coming weekend to read through everything we have and make sure that the outdated info is turned into updated info, and to prevent this from happening again I would suggest endowing our group with the responsibility of monitoring and updating academy material to reflect these project changes from here on out. TomStar81 ( Talk) 07:49, 23 September 2011 (UTC)