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In articles discussing same-sex marriage, which terminology is correct? I would presume, as per WP:NPOV, that the term "same-sex marriage" would be used, unless quoting individuals. If so, should all the instances where "homosexual marriage", "gay marriage", "marriage equality" etc. are used in the article text be changed to "same-sex marriage"? – Zumoarirodoka ( talk) 21:36, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
For the record, a quick search of changes related to same-sex marriage by Elizium23 ( talk · contribs · logs · block log) in the last month shows the following diffs (links given using edit comments, mostly changing "marriage equality" to "same-sex marriage"):
This is a significant pattern, given that mass changes were made so close together that it is not credible that sources were carefully reviewed to support changes in terminology. If the same changes continue without establishing a consensus for mass changes, I suggest this evidence is taken for more formal dispute resolution. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 14:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Contaldo80 ( talk) 10:30, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Same-sex marriage is considered a standard neutral term over alternatives such as 'equal marriage', 'gay marriage', 'homosexual marriage', or other words to that effect. Exceptions may be appropriate for some articles solely where sufficient reliable sources use a different terminology to address the subject, the matter has been discussed on the article's talk page and a consensus has been reached. For example, an article on equal rights may discuss 'marriage equality' in the context of a political rights campaign that commonly uses those words in reliable sources, and the editors have come to an agreement that it is suitable to use that term. Rapid mass changes should be avoided, as an article's sources must be checked that they support the chosen terminology. Bringing articles in line with this proposal is permitted immediately after the discussion has ended.
Please see discussion above for a background of why this proposal is needed and options already discussed. -- Fæ ( talk) 15:07, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Amendment changing 'extent' to 'effect' in the first line, making no change to intended meaning. Apparent mistaken phrasing in the original. -- Fæ ( talk) 16:24, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
W. H. Auden has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. MusicAngels ( talk) 18:24, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion related to LGBT and Queer categories at WT:CAT/EGRS#Issues with LGBT, LGBT people, and Queer categories. Please feel free to join the conversation. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{ re}} 01:18, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
There is a content dispute at Kellie Maloney. Please discuss at Talk:Kellie Maloney#Do we refer to a trans woman by her male birth name in Wikipedia?? -- Redrose64 ( talk) 16:55, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Just wanted to point this article out to you people after having recently seen this little known 1976 Roman Polanski film and having been pretty floored by it, enough so as to add a new Themes section to the article. I thought maybe you peeps wanted to include it in your group of sites covered by your project and add your label to its talkpage. I mean, the film has Polanski run around in drag and pretty much turn into a woman, all happening in a way that's highly disturbing to his character, although just like in Kubrick's The Shining, it's not quite clear if it's either "ghosts or cabin fever".
Unfortunately, I didn't find any source for another of my personal interpretations (besides those kafkaesque ones that could be sourced and hence are in the Themes section now), which is that the film seemed to use gender roles, (both physical and civil) death, and (both physical and mental) disease as a nightmarish chiffre for forbidden and repressed sexuality in a way that occured highly reminiscent of Thomas Mann to me (cf. the 1991 book Zwischen Selbstzucht und Verlangen - Thomas Mann und das Stigma Homosexualität by Karl W. Böhm). Yes, I know, the film was released shortly prior to when Polanski's legal troubles began, but still. -- 80.187.106.89 ( talk) 22:51, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to ask the members of this project to take a look at Lesbian non fiction. It's an extremely brief and not especially substantive article which cites no reliable sources, and which names just six books within the entire history of the genre — one of which is a not especially notable book written by the same person who created the article (thus igniting the suspicion that the real point here was to promote her book rather than to write a genuinely encyclopedic article about lesbian non-fiction as a thing in its own right — especially given that she specifically offlinked her book's title to its page on Amazon.com, in violation of WP:ELNO.)
As well, I'd like to note that on the gay male side of things, fiction and non-fiction are both covered in one merged overview article on gay literature, while lesbian literature is now covered by two separate articles on lesbian fiction and lesbian non fiction. So in the interest of ensuring that we're giving gay male and lesbian literatures comparable levels of coverage, I wanted to ask for input:
Thanks. Bearcat ( talk) 14:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
A requested move discussion is taking place at
Talk:Kim_Davis_(Kentucky_politician)#Requested move 2 September 2015. Interested editors are invited to comment. -
Mr
X 14:32, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi!
I am translating into French your article about Save Our Children. It is an interesting work and I am happy to make it part of the French wikipedia (although I am only working on a subpage now). Unfortunatly, some paragraphes need citations and I am not sure that the articulation of all the ideas is always well-done... I wanted to tell you that because I think Anita Bryant's campaign is one of the most important moments of LGBT history in the US. And perhaps someone here has material which could improve the actual page...
Sorry for my English, I read it better than I write it.
Konstantinos (from the French Wikipedia)
Could use some fleshing out. There's a couple of sources in the "External links", and more available on-line. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 21:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
Lam is a YA author who's works so far heave an intersex protagonist. The article is listed at AfD. Her article would benefit form attention, and in particular needs research to meet
WP:AUTHOR and/or
WP:GNG. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 15:34, 4 February 2015 (UTC).
An RfC,
Should this biography include commentary or reactions from politicians?, has been posted at the talk page for
Kim Davis (county clerk). Interested editors are invited to comment. -
Mr
X 17:07, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to post this in another WP so we can get a lot of editors in on this. Basically, I think that this draft article has a good topic, but the article is written like a personal research paper. It also has too many citations, which kind of give off the impression that the editor in question picked and chose from the sources to back up their original research. It basically just needs a re-write and to have the citations pared down some, since there is some definite citation overkill going on here. The draft article in question is Draft:Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Trans* (LGBT*) Ageing. Anyone interested? Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 05:37, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
An editor's started an edit war, trying to add Rose's dead name. Could use some help. Anniepoo ( talk) 16:42, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Could somebody take a look at this source and help me understand how it doesn't support describing and categorizing Camilla Gibb as LGBT under WP:BLPCAT? This is now the fourth source for her outness about her sexuality that has been removed from the article since 2013 for being "not good enough" — and the second in a row to have been entirely suppressed by somebody with oversight rights as some special class of BLP "violation", instead of just being reverted the way inadequate sources for sexuality usually are. And I'm still failing to comprehend how this even is an inadequate source for her, when it would be entirely good enough for absolutely anybody else — it's in a newspaper of record which falls within the elite class of gold standard sources for Wikipedia content, and even more importantly it explicitly demonstrates that she explicitly wrote about it right in her own new book — but the person who suppressed this source isn't responding to my request for clarification of how the source fails to be sufficient. So I'm simply at a loss as to what the problem is here; it's beginning to look and feel very much like there's a special secret sourcing standard, head and shoulders above and beyond what would be sufficient sourcing for anybody else and deliberately designed to be entirely unmeetable, that's been created just for her and her alone. Bearcat ( talk) 17:29, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
I added some LGBT categories along with supporting text, using the following three references:
The CanWWR source is a website run by an English professor but researched and checked by a group of scholars, [1] so that makes me consider it reliable. The Simon Houpt piece was published in the Globe and Mail and then it was republished by the Coalition pour la diversité culturelle, so both of these give reliability. The Star and the Globe and Mail are the top two mainstream Canadian newspapers. Binksternet ( talk) 22:30, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Someone created WP:TRANSGENDERED as a shortcut to the guidance that contains "Transgendered is also offensive and deprecated by style guides and should also not be used" ( Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Guidelines#How to write about transgender, non-binary, and intersex people).
Agreed that on Wikipedia some shortcuts mean the inverse of what the guidance is about (e.g. WP:BITE) I still think the TRANSGENDERED shortcut to be offensive, and should be eliminated (including a deletion of the WP:TRANSGENDERED redirect page).
I have no proposal for a more appropriate shortcut ( WP:TRANSGENDER is unused, but WP:Transgender redirects to WP:WikiProject LGBT studies) and that's why I brought it here: maybe a more appropriate shortcut can be proposed – as long as there's no consensus on that, however, I think it better not to have a shortcut to that project guidance section, so I'll revert again, leaving a link to this talk page section in the edit summary. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 08:53, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
I would like to invite any members or participants of WikiProject LGBT studies to join the discussion concerning "Homophobia controversy" at the talk page of the Demond Wilson article. Hitcher vs. Candyman ( talk) 01:36, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Dear editors: This old draft will soon be deleted as stale. It was declined at AfC as too promotional. Right now, Boystown, Chicago is a redirect because its former content has been merged into Lake View, Chicago. Should any of the information in the draft be merged into either a revitalized Boystown, Chicago article, or into the Lake View article? There are plenty of references online about this topic. ( [3], [4], [5], [6], [7])— Anne Delong ( talk) 10:00, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
The article Lesbian non fiction was nominated for deletion. The AfD has been relisted twice because no clear consensus has emerged; I would be grateful if project members could take part in the stalled discussion. Thanks. FreeKnowledgeCreator ( talk) 23:10, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
There currently is a discussion about the future organization of Wikipedia:WikiProject Women and several other women-related Wikiprojects and taskforces at the above link. Some aspects may be of interests to editors of this project and your participation in the discussion would be appreciated. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 12:20, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
I thought this would be the best page to ask - I am a research assistant at the University of Wisconsin - Madison in a lab that recently published a study on the "gaydar". I would like to add bits about this to relevant pages, but I've only been able to get it onto the Gaydar page and the LGBT stereotypes page. Any suggestions for where else it could go? I was also hoping to have a full paragraph for this study on the Gaydar page - information about previous studies on that page are about a paragraph long, but my edit was edited down to only a sentence. Does anyone have any suggestions for what I should do? Thank you! Socialpsychra ( talk) 22:34, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
A new discussion has been started at: Talk:Sodomy#POV and "Sodomy". Comments appreciated. Greg Kaye 11:25, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
LGBT History Cornwall UK 'One Queer Gay Life' http://www.gayhistorycornwall.com The above site added to the UK National Community Archives. License issued for inclusion in British Library UK Web Archive — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.249.211 ( talk) 13:02, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
A Village Pump thread has opened (link) to determine how the Manual of Style should guide editors to refer to transgender people in articles about those people. Concurrently, a thread has opened (link) to determine how to guide editors to refer to transgender people when they are mentioned in passing in other articles. Pursuant to discussion on WT:MOS, I am notifying the two WikiProjects which are directly concerned with this topic: this one and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Manual of Style. -sche ( talk) 21:49, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello LGBT Wikimedans,
In the spirit of National Coming Out Day, I thought I would edit some Wikipedia entries dealing with LGBT public figures who have come out. In the first sentence of the Ricky Martin entry, I added "gay" before "Puerto Rican". Another editor told me that this was not necessary since the entry mentions his homosexuality (way, way, way down at the bottom of the entry). I said that I thought it was necessary to bring it up in the first sentence of the entry for younger generations of LGBT people looking for role models. Not only that, but it is a part of his identity, just as much as Puerto Rican and singer. An anonymous editor later removed "gay" from the entry.
So my question is this--does Wikipedia have any conventions or rules related to this issue? Has WikiProject LGBT ever discussed this issue? I look forward to hearing more about it.
RachelWex RachelWex 23:21, 11 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RachelWex ( talk • contribs)
@ RachelWex: Thanks for raising the question. Sorry there has been a bit of a "pile on" here, but there are plenty of good viewpoints given. I suggest a practical way forward is to search through what lists currently exist for globally notable public figures who are significantly known for being role models for the LGBT community (such as appearing in the various "top 100 most influential gay people" on websites and in magazine articles). It may be that creating a list article for leading LGBT figures using the best sources, might be a practical suggestion for a future editathon or a wiki-loves-Pride event. If you have a look at the Wikimedia LGBT+ portal, there are some useful resources and on-line places to discuss and raise this further if you (or anyone else here) is interested in taking it forward. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 15:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Rainbow flag, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. sst ✈ 13:10, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
I have raised Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 October 11#Ramchandra Siras. The film about Siras' case and life was premièred in London yesterday ( Aligarh (film)), and I was amazed to see that this article had been created and deleted. Anyone interested in India's re-criminalization of homosexuality may want to help out with improving the article and giving an opinion in the undeletion review. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 13:49, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
The article has been undeleted and a second deletion discussion opened at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ramchandra_Siras_(2nd_nomination). Please add to the article or put your viewpoint on the AfD. -- Fæ ( talk) 14:18, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
I just wanted to bring the attention of this WikiProject's editors to the fact that I have recently nominated the Murder of Dwayne Jones article for Featured Article status. For those not familiar with this incident, it was a prominent anti-LGBT killing that took place in Jamaica in 2013. This is actually the third time that I have nominated this article, with the previous two FACs having failed primarily due to lack of interest. I'm certainly not insisting that the folks on here automatically lend my nomination their support, but it really would be nice if some could take a look and offer their opinions here if they feel the desire to. All the best, Midnightblueowl ( talk) 18:34, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
I wonder if we could get some more eyes on this? I suspect editors here are more familiar with these arguments than I am (particularly, justifying the idea that it is bad form to put a deadname all over the talk page while discussing whether or not it goes in the article), and ( Lordrosemount aside, who is perfectly civil and who I am pinging here so they know I have made this request) there does seem to be a bit of an influx of anons coming with all the usual repugnablogger talking points. Pinkbeast ( talk) 11:47, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi all, some clarification is warranted at Talk:CHiPs, specifically about the proper way to credit individuals who worked in notable projects in the past and who were credited under Name A, who now identify as trans and are now credited under Name B.
The CHiPs example focuses on Bruce Jenner, who was one of two actors who replaced Erik Estrada and Larry Wilcox as the leads on the 1977–83 American television series CHiPs. Jenner, as some might be aware, is an Olympian-turned-actor-turned-Kardashian-reality-star who in the last year or so revealed his identity as a woman, Caitlin Jenner. It may not be quite clear to the rest of the Wikipedia universe how to best treat these situations, and I think it's a smart idea if members of this project reach out to seek global consensus for the inclusion of specific guidelines for the related media WikiProjects as to how to sensitively and academically address these issues. Your thoughts are welcome here, but maybe there's a better global venue for this discussion? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 02:57, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Please contribute to the discussion held here. The current title is awkward, though descriptive of the scope of the article. Is a better one possible? Fiddle Faddle 16:39, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I have just created Frank Rickwood, an article about a BP executive who received a CBE from the Queen herself and led quite the fabulous life internationally. He was also gay, had a partner, but he was closeted at work according to John Browne's memoir. Is anyone interested in expanding it? It could be a good candidate for DYK: a very successful gay professional, yet closeted at work. Note that he was in charge of a huge oilfield in Alaska, where gay rights are not ideal. Even worse in places like Somalia, Papua New Guinea, etc. I think there is potential to turn it into a feature article. Please ping me or write on my talkpage. Thank you. Zigzig20s ( talk) 00:33, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Nominated for deletion, this could use a lot of work. Bearian ( talk) 00:12, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I'm working on The Glass Closet: Why Coming Out Is Good Business by the former Chairman of BP. Feel free to help me expand it. Thanks! Zigzig20s ( talk) 02:17, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
See [8] Sorry I don't have time. Doug Weller ( talk) 19:45, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
A move discussion is taking place at Talk:Bullycide to change the title from Bullycide to Bullying and Suicide.
Since Bullycide has largely but not always affected LGBT kids I felt it appropriate to ask members of this project to contribute to the discussion. Fiddle Faddle 11:21, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Someone brought to my attention that we have an article on heteroflexible but not homoflexible. Indeed, Homoflexible redirects to Heteroflexibility, where they're both discussed, with an emphasis on the former. At first, I thought this sounded like a wrong I could go right, but looking over that article, I'm not so sure. Is homoflexibility notable on its own—has it been the subject of the sort of high-quality references we have on heteroflexibility? I'd like to think so. Maybe someone could take a look. -- BDD ( talk) 22:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Feel free to expand this new stub. Has anyone read his books? I don't have the patience to read his articles. Apparently they're allegedly homophobic! Zigzig20s ( talk) 17:59, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Anybody want to help me expand Kirk Snyder (author)? Very important. Zigzig20s ( talk) 19:34, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
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In articles discussing same-sex marriage, which terminology is correct? I would presume, as per WP:NPOV, that the term "same-sex marriage" would be used, unless quoting individuals. If so, should all the instances where "homosexual marriage", "gay marriage", "marriage equality" etc. are used in the article text be changed to "same-sex marriage"? – Zumoarirodoka ( talk) 21:36, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
For the record, a quick search of changes related to same-sex marriage by Elizium23 ( talk · contribs · logs · block log) in the last month shows the following diffs (links given using edit comments, mostly changing "marriage equality" to "same-sex marriage"):
This is a significant pattern, given that mass changes were made so close together that it is not credible that sources were carefully reviewed to support changes in terminology. If the same changes continue without establishing a consensus for mass changes, I suggest this evidence is taken for more formal dispute resolution. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 14:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Contaldo80 ( talk) 10:30, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Same-sex marriage is considered a standard neutral term over alternatives such as 'equal marriage', 'gay marriage', 'homosexual marriage', or other words to that effect. Exceptions may be appropriate for some articles solely where sufficient reliable sources use a different terminology to address the subject, the matter has been discussed on the article's talk page and a consensus has been reached. For example, an article on equal rights may discuss 'marriage equality' in the context of a political rights campaign that commonly uses those words in reliable sources, and the editors have come to an agreement that it is suitable to use that term. Rapid mass changes should be avoided, as an article's sources must be checked that they support the chosen terminology. Bringing articles in line with this proposal is permitted immediately after the discussion has ended.
Please see discussion above for a background of why this proposal is needed and options already discussed. -- Fæ ( talk) 15:07, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Amendment changing 'extent' to 'effect' in the first line, making no change to intended meaning. Apparent mistaken phrasing in the original. -- Fæ ( talk) 16:24, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
W. H. Auden has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. MusicAngels ( talk) 18:24, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion related to LGBT and Queer categories at WT:CAT/EGRS#Issues with LGBT, LGBT people, and Queer categories. Please feel free to join the conversation. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{ re}} 01:18, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
There is a content dispute at Kellie Maloney. Please discuss at Talk:Kellie Maloney#Do we refer to a trans woman by her male birth name in Wikipedia?? -- Redrose64 ( talk) 16:55, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Just wanted to point this article out to you people after having recently seen this little known 1976 Roman Polanski film and having been pretty floored by it, enough so as to add a new Themes section to the article. I thought maybe you peeps wanted to include it in your group of sites covered by your project and add your label to its talkpage. I mean, the film has Polanski run around in drag and pretty much turn into a woman, all happening in a way that's highly disturbing to his character, although just like in Kubrick's The Shining, it's not quite clear if it's either "ghosts or cabin fever".
Unfortunately, I didn't find any source for another of my personal interpretations (besides those kafkaesque ones that could be sourced and hence are in the Themes section now), which is that the film seemed to use gender roles, (both physical and civil) death, and (both physical and mental) disease as a nightmarish chiffre for forbidden and repressed sexuality in a way that occured highly reminiscent of Thomas Mann to me (cf. the 1991 book Zwischen Selbstzucht und Verlangen - Thomas Mann und das Stigma Homosexualität by Karl W. Böhm). Yes, I know, the film was released shortly prior to when Polanski's legal troubles began, but still. -- 80.187.106.89 ( talk) 22:51, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to ask the members of this project to take a look at Lesbian non fiction. It's an extremely brief and not especially substantive article which cites no reliable sources, and which names just six books within the entire history of the genre — one of which is a not especially notable book written by the same person who created the article (thus igniting the suspicion that the real point here was to promote her book rather than to write a genuinely encyclopedic article about lesbian non-fiction as a thing in its own right — especially given that she specifically offlinked her book's title to its page on Amazon.com, in violation of WP:ELNO.)
As well, I'd like to note that on the gay male side of things, fiction and non-fiction are both covered in one merged overview article on gay literature, while lesbian literature is now covered by two separate articles on lesbian fiction and lesbian non fiction. So in the interest of ensuring that we're giving gay male and lesbian literatures comparable levels of coverage, I wanted to ask for input:
Thanks. Bearcat ( talk) 14:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
A requested move discussion is taking place at
Talk:Kim_Davis_(Kentucky_politician)#Requested move 2 September 2015. Interested editors are invited to comment. -
Mr
X 14:32, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi!
I am translating into French your article about Save Our Children. It is an interesting work and I am happy to make it part of the French wikipedia (although I am only working on a subpage now). Unfortunatly, some paragraphes need citations and I am not sure that the articulation of all the ideas is always well-done... I wanted to tell you that because I think Anita Bryant's campaign is one of the most important moments of LGBT history in the US. And perhaps someone here has material which could improve the actual page...
Sorry for my English, I read it better than I write it.
Konstantinos (from the French Wikipedia)
Could use some fleshing out. There's a couple of sources in the "External links", and more available on-line. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 21:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
Lam is a YA author who's works so far heave an intersex protagonist. The article is listed at AfD. Her article would benefit form attention, and in particular needs research to meet
WP:AUTHOR and/or
WP:GNG. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 15:34, 4 February 2015 (UTC).
An RfC,
Should this biography include commentary or reactions from politicians?, has been posted at the talk page for
Kim Davis (county clerk). Interested editors are invited to comment. -
Mr
X 17:07, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to post this in another WP so we can get a lot of editors in on this. Basically, I think that this draft article has a good topic, but the article is written like a personal research paper. It also has too many citations, which kind of give off the impression that the editor in question picked and chose from the sources to back up their original research. It basically just needs a re-write and to have the citations pared down some, since there is some definite citation overkill going on here. The draft article in question is Draft:Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Trans* (LGBT*) Ageing. Anyone interested? Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 05:37, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
An editor's started an edit war, trying to add Rose's dead name. Could use some help. Anniepoo ( talk) 16:42, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Could somebody take a look at this source and help me understand how it doesn't support describing and categorizing Camilla Gibb as LGBT under WP:BLPCAT? This is now the fourth source for her outness about her sexuality that has been removed from the article since 2013 for being "not good enough" — and the second in a row to have been entirely suppressed by somebody with oversight rights as some special class of BLP "violation", instead of just being reverted the way inadequate sources for sexuality usually are. And I'm still failing to comprehend how this even is an inadequate source for her, when it would be entirely good enough for absolutely anybody else — it's in a newspaper of record which falls within the elite class of gold standard sources for Wikipedia content, and even more importantly it explicitly demonstrates that she explicitly wrote about it right in her own new book — but the person who suppressed this source isn't responding to my request for clarification of how the source fails to be sufficient. So I'm simply at a loss as to what the problem is here; it's beginning to look and feel very much like there's a special secret sourcing standard, head and shoulders above and beyond what would be sufficient sourcing for anybody else and deliberately designed to be entirely unmeetable, that's been created just for her and her alone. Bearcat ( talk) 17:29, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
I added some LGBT categories along with supporting text, using the following three references:
The CanWWR source is a website run by an English professor but researched and checked by a group of scholars, [1] so that makes me consider it reliable. The Simon Houpt piece was published in the Globe and Mail and then it was republished by the Coalition pour la diversité culturelle, so both of these give reliability. The Star and the Globe and Mail are the top two mainstream Canadian newspapers. Binksternet ( talk) 22:30, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Someone created WP:TRANSGENDERED as a shortcut to the guidance that contains "Transgendered is also offensive and deprecated by style guides and should also not be used" ( Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Guidelines#How to write about transgender, non-binary, and intersex people).
Agreed that on Wikipedia some shortcuts mean the inverse of what the guidance is about (e.g. WP:BITE) I still think the TRANSGENDERED shortcut to be offensive, and should be eliminated (including a deletion of the WP:TRANSGENDERED redirect page).
I have no proposal for a more appropriate shortcut ( WP:TRANSGENDER is unused, but WP:Transgender redirects to WP:WikiProject LGBT studies) and that's why I brought it here: maybe a more appropriate shortcut can be proposed – as long as there's no consensus on that, however, I think it better not to have a shortcut to that project guidance section, so I'll revert again, leaving a link to this talk page section in the edit summary. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 08:53, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
I would like to invite any members or participants of WikiProject LGBT studies to join the discussion concerning "Homophobia controversy" at the talk page of the Demond Wilson article. Hitcher vs. Candyman ( talk) 01:36, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Dear editors: This old draft will soon be deleted as stale. It was declined at AfC as too promotional. Right now, Boystown, Chicago is a redirect because its former content has been merged into Lake View, Chicago. Should any of the information in the draft be merged into either a revitalized Boystown, Chicago article, or into the Lake View article? There are plenty of references online about this topic. ( [3], [4], [5], [6], [7])— Anne Delong ( talk) 10:00, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
The article Lesbian non fiction was nominated for deletion. The AfD has been relisted twice because no clear consensus has emerged; I would be grateful if project members could take part in the stalled discussion. Thanks. FreeKnowledgeCreator ( talk) 23:10, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
There currently is a discussion about the future organization of Wikipedia:WikiProject Women and several other women-related Wikiprojects and taskforces at the above link. Some aspects may be of interests to editors of this project and your participation in the discussion would be appreciated. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 12:20, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
I thought this would be the best page to ask - I am a research assistant at the University of Wisconsin - Madison in a lab that recently published a study on the "gaydar". I would like to add bits about this to relevant pages, but I've only been able to get it onto the Gaydar page and the LGBT stereotypes page. Any suggestions for where else it could go? I was also hoping to have a full paragraph for this study on the Gaydar page - information about previous studies on that page are about a paragraph long, but my edit was edited down to only a sentence. Does anyone have any suggestions for what I should do? Thank you! Socialpsychra ( talk) 22:34, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
A new discussion has been started at: Talk:Sodomy#POV and "Sodomy". Comments appreciated. Greg Kaye 11:25, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
LGBT History Cornwall UK 'One Queer Gay Life' http://www.gayhistorycornwall.com The above site added to the UK National Community Archives. License issued for inclusion in British Library UK Web Archive — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.249.211 ( talk) 13:02, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
A Village Pump thread has opened (link) to determine how the Manual of Style should guide editors to refer to transgender people in articles about those people. Concurrently, a thread has opened (link) to determine how to guide editors to refer to transgender people when they are mentioned in passing in other articles. Pursuant to discussion on WT:MOS, I am notifying the two WikiProjects which are directly concerned with this topic: this one and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Manual of Style. -sche ( talk) 21:49, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello LGBT Wikimedans,
In the spirit of National Coming Out Day, I thought I would edit some Wikipedia entries dealing with LGBT public figures who have come out. In the first sentence of the Ricky Martin entry, I added "gay" before "Puerto Rican". Another editor told me that this was not necessary since the entry mentions his homosexuality (way, way, way down at the bottom of the entry). I said that I thought it was necessary to bring it up in the first sentence of the entry for younger generations of LGBT people looking for role models. Not only that, but it is a part of his identity, just as much as Puerto Rican and singer. An anonymous editor later removed "gay" from the entry.
So my question is this--does Wikipedia have any conventions or rules related to this issue? Has WikiProject LGBT ever discussed this issue? I look forward to hearing more about it.
RachelWex RachelWex 23:21, 11 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RachelWex ( talk • contribs)
@ RachelWex: Thanks for raising the question. Sorry there has been a bit of a "pile on" here, but there are plenty of good viewpoints given. I suggest a practical way forward is to search through what lists currently exist for globally notable public figures who are significantly known for being role models for the LGBT community (such as appearing in the various "top 100 most influential gay people" on websites and in magazine articles). It may be that creating a list article for leading LGBT figures using the best sources, might be a practical suggestion for a future editathon or a wiki-loves-Pride event. If you have a look at the Wikimedia LGBT+ portal, there are some useful resources and on-line places to discuss and raise this further if you (or anyone else here) is interested in taking it forward. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 15:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Rainbow flag, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. sst ✈ 13:10, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
I have raised Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 October 11#Ramchandra Siras. The film about Siras' case and life was premièred in London yesterday ( Aligarh (film)), and I was amazed to see that this article had been created and deleted. Anyone interested in India's re-criminalization of homosexuality may want to help out with improving the article and giving an opinion in the undeletion review. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 13:49, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
The article has been undeleted and a second deletion discussion opened at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ramchandra_Siras_(2nd_nomination). Please add to the article or put your viewpoint on the AfD. -- Fæ ( talk) 14:18, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
I just wanted to bring the attention of this WikiProject's editors to the fact that I have recently nominated the Murder of Dwayne Jones article for Featured Article status. For those not familiar with this incident, it was a prominent anti-LGBT killing that took place in Jamaica in 2013. This is actually the third time that I have nominated this article, with the previous two FACs having failed primarily due to lack of interest. I'm certainly not insisting that the folks on here automatically lend my nomination their support, but it really would be nice if some could take a look and offer their opinions here if they feel the desire to. All the best, Midnightblueowl ( talk) 18:34, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
I wonder if we could get some more eyes on this? I suspect editors here are more familiar with these arguments than I am (particularly, justifying the idea that it is bad form to put a deadname all over the talk page while discussing whether or not it goes in the article), and ( Lordrosemount aside, who is perfectly civil and who I am pinging here so they know I have made this request) there does seem to be a bit of an influx of anons coming with all the usual repugnablogger talking points. Pinkbeast ( talk) 11:47, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi all, some clarification is warranted at Talk:CHiPs, specifically about the proper way to credit individuals who worked in notable projects in the past and who were credited under Name A, who now identify as trans and are now credited under Name B.
The CHiPs example focuses on Bruce Jenner, who was one of two actors who replaced Erik Estrada and Larry Wilcox as the leads on the 1977–83 American television series CHiPs. Jenner, as some might be aware, is an Olympian-turned-actor-turned-Kardashian-reality-star who in the last year or so revealed his identity as a woman, Caitlin Jenner. It may not be quite clear to the rest of the Wikipedia universe how to best treat these situations, and I think it's a smart idea if members of this project reach out to seek global consensus for the inclusion of specific guidelines for the related media WikiProjects as to how to sensitively and academically address these issues. Your thoughts are welcome here, but maybe there's a better global venue for this discussion? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 02:57, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Please contribute to the discussion held here. The current title is awkward, though descriptive of the scope of the article. Is a better one possible? Fiddle Faddle 16:39, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I have just created Frank Rickwood, an article about a BP executive who received a CBE from the Queen herself and led quite the fabulous life internationally. He was also gay, had a partner, but he was closeted at work according to John Browne's memoir. Is anyone interested in expanding it? It could be a good candidate for DYK: a very successful gay professional, yet closeted at work. Note that he was in charge of a huge oilfield in Alaska, where gay rights are not ideal. Even worse in places like Somalia, Papua New Guinea, etc. I think there is potential to turn it into a feature article. Please ping me or write on my talkpage. Thank you. Zigzig20s ( talk) 00:33, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Nominated for deletion, this could use a lot of work. Bearian ( talk) 00:12, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I'm working on The Glass Closet: Why Coming Out Is Good Business by the former Chairman of BP. Feel free to help me expand it. Thanks! Zigzig20s ( talk) 02:17, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
See [8] Sorry I don't have time. Doug Weller ( talk) 19:45, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
A move discussion is taking place at Talk:Bullycide to change the title from Bullycide to Bullying and Suicide.
Since Bullycide has largely but not always affected LGBT kids I felt it appropriate to ask members of this project to contribute to the discussion. Fiddle Faddle 11:21, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Someone brought to my attention that we have an article on heteroflexible but not homoflexible. Indeed, Homoflexible redirects to Heteroflexibility, where they're both discussed, with an emphasis on the former. At first, I thought this sounded like a wrong I could go right, but looking over that article, I'm not so sure. Is homoflexibility notable on its own—has it been the subject of the sort of high-quality references we have on heteroflexibility? I'd like to think so. Maybe someone could take a look. -- BDD ( talk) 22:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Feel free to expand this new stub. Has anyone read his books? I don't have the patience to read his articles. Apparently they're allegedly homophobic! Zigzig20s ( talk) 17:59, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Anybody want to help me expand Kirk Snyder (author)? Very important. Zigzig20s ( talk) 19:34, 12 November 2015 (UTC)