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This has been forked off the main Yahweh article for some time now, with the lead:
Yahweh, prior to becoming Yahweh, the national god of Israel, and taking on monotheistic attributes in the 6th century BCE, was a part of the Canaanite pantheon in the period before the Babylonian captivity.
As those who are familiar with the subject will know the main piece of modern evidence for the Yahweh pre-Israel deity theory is
More recently, the damaged Ugaritic cuneiform text KTU 1.1:IV:14-15 is also included in the discussion:[6]
- From KTU II:IV:13-14
- tgr.il.bnh.tr [ ] wyn.lt[p]n il dp[id...][7] [J yp 'r] Sm bny yw 'ilt
- My son [shall not be called] by the name of Yw, o goddess, [Jfc ym smh (?)] [but Ym shall be his name!]
There's slow ongoing discussion on whether to de-Fork and merge back to Yahweh, whether to leave separate, or what to do about improving provision of modern WP:RS and WP:NPOV sources. If there are any knowledgeable editors available... In ictu oculi ( talk) 07:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Here is:
Not sure where it should go and be used as a source WhisperToMe ( talk) 08:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
There's a Request for Comment occurring that seems relevant to this project. It's regarding the Peter Sellers article and the word "Jewish" to describe a conman character in several 1980 Barclay's Bank commercials. There is a heated discussion regarding the sources to support the content. Input can be very helpful to everyone involved, including me.
Discussion at Talk:Peter Sellers#Request for Comment: Use of term "Jewish" to describe conman character. -- Oakshade ( talk) 22:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
At the Peter Sellers article there is discussion of how to refer to a fictional character played by Peter Sellers in three advertisements that he made for Barclay's Bank. The 3 advertisements are available for viewing on YouTube. Rather than provide a direct link to the video containing those 3 advertisements, I will instead suggest that you use the search terms "Peter Sellers Barclays Commercials" at YouTube. The Peter Sellers article presently contains the following sentence: "Filmed in April 1980 in Ireland, he played a Jewish conman, Monty Casino." Extensive discussion can be found on the Talk page of the article. Please feel free to weigh in. Bus stop ( talk) 05:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
You may wish to comment at Talk:Peter_Sellers#Request_for_Comment:_Use_of_term_.22Jewish.22_to_describe_conman_character. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:27, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Copied here from my talkpage Why do you keep removing the article Adult bar and bat mitzvah from the Template:Jewish life? Xyz7890 ( talk) 00:35, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Just a note - this page is getting overspill from a WP:FRINGE theory that the Christian book of Matthew is based on a lost Hebrew original (scholars considered it a product of Hellenistic Judaism, written in Greek), primarily because a recurring cycle of edits over the past x years has been repeatedly rejected by editors on pages relevant to the subject. I realise the actual details of such a theory are not of interest to editors on Antisemitism, but it seems a WP:WEIGHT issue to have a fringe Christian/Messianic theory even be mentioned. This probably does not constitute a neutral notification, sorry, but the comment "recurring cycle of edits over the past x years has been repeatedly rejected by editors on pages relevant to the subject" is demonstrable from edit histories. In ictu oculi ( talk) 17:47, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Just as a heads up an IP editor is editing instances of Judaism insisting that it is a religion and not a race or an ethnicity: Special:Contributions/98.100.17.34 If the edits are justified, then so be it. But it's good to know about these edits. WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:01, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
An editor has moved Yissachar Dov Rokeach (I) to Yissachar Dov Rokeach I, and Yissachar Dov Rokeach (II) to Yissachar Dov Rokeach II. He is of the opinion that all such pages should be renamed this way. I pointed out that Judaism has no such concept as "the first," the "second," or even "senior" and "junior". Other editors are invited to comment at Talk:Yissachar Dov Rokeach I#Page rename. Thank you, Yoninah ( talk) 18:44, 4 November 2013 (UTC) I would wonder if it would not be more accurate to include the patrynimic (father's name). Jewish tradition, in the Western communities, is against naming someone after a living person. There would not be a Yissachar Dov Jr., as the father could not name his son the same name as his own. Even grandchildren might not get the name if the original YD was alive at the times of their births. YDR(I) might have been more accurately differentiated from YDR(II) by their having different father's names. In the Talmud, there are even those who are identified solely by the father's name, e.g Ben Nanas or Son of Nanas. Artstop ( talk) 19:44, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I need help with hte derivation of Thoph in Thopha saccata. The 1843 source is French and gives it as "tambour", but tambour is a disambiguation - and leads to a stringed instrument (???). Can anyone familiar with Hebrew give a more accurate meaning (and it'd be great if we could stick the Hebrew letters in the article, which I am not sure I know how to do). Cheers, Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 19:52, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion taking place about whether to include this website as an External link at the article 2012 Munich artworks discovery. Additional input welcome. Bus stop ( talk) 15:54, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Category:Pogrom victims, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. X Ottawahitech ( talk) 04:29, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
FYI, I created User:L'Aquatique/Userboxes/Rabbi and Category:Wikipedian rabbis.
This user is a rabbi |
I'd like to renew my request for a free image of the Lubavitcher rebbe to be used on User:L'Aquatique/Userboxes/ChabadnikLubavitcher. Debresser ( talk) 12:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Internet celebrity and reality TV personality Tila Tequila has been fairly vocally antisemitic in the last few years, though this isn't reflected in her article. Most of the sources are primary, though there are some secondary sources like this one from Animal. I considered that it could be some long and elaborate hoax (seeing as how she gave an interview a while back saying she'd converted to Judaism), but there are Nazi images uploaded to her Facebook, and now a song on her YouTube with lyrics clearly inline with this whole breakdown.
I am not the most tactful of editors and I'd prefer to avoid this type of BLP edit and any potential fallout. I'm hoping that someone can tell me if this info should even be in the article, and if so is there someone who would want to add it. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 07:02, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Someone has messed around with the "Ashkenazi Jews" article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.40.95 ( talk) 18:21, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello,
I'v been working on article: Abimelech (Judges) for a while now, and I couldn't find any templates for the Biblical Judges. Will someone with knowledgeable insight on how to create templates please make one for the Judges — Thank you — ♣Jerm♣ 729 —Preceding undated comment added 23:34, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Should transliterated Hebrew words be capitalized and/or italicized? So far, usage seems to be inconsistent, even within one article. For example, Kohen includes both "Kohanim" and "kohanim" in the lead. -- Ypnypn ( talk) 18:07, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
24.191.198.98 ( talk · contribs) (= 69.113.47.119 ( talk · contribs) who edited in mid-November = 24.191.198.103 ( talk · contribs) who edited in mid-October) has been adding odd Ashkenazi-centric points of view, unsourced or with unreliable sources, to a set of articles:
IP's edits have been reverted many times by various users (including myself, obviously); check the relevant pages' histories.
I am not sure how to deal with this as I have little experience in dealing with tendentious editors. Can anyone help me?
הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 01:38, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Done Reverted all problematic edits mentioned above at Ashkenazi Hebrew, History of the Jews in France, Rashi, Tosafot and List of Tosafists; Rabbeinu Tam already reverted by Debresser.
Not done Haym Solomon and he:חיים סולומון (perhaps I should inform the primary editor of the Hebrew article of the issue raised here).
הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 03:45, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Yet again at Haym Solomon, reverted by Josh3580; and again, reverted by myself. And this despite a recent level-3 warning by Bluefist.
Which is the appropriate noticeboard to report this?
הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 00:10, 25 December 2013 (UTC) הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 00:10, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Done Reported at ANI. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 01:36, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
I've just noticed this series of moves:
The argument seems to be that Lot is mentioned in the Quran eg, so the dab should be "Abrahamic" to include Islam rather than "biblical" which is Jewish + Christian.
This, and similar edits on other articles, might benefit from broader input. I haven't posted this note at WP Islam or WP Christianity yet but will link to it. In ictu oculi ( talk) 03:37, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 25 | ← | Archive 29 | Archive 30 | Archive 31 | Archive 32 | Archive 33 | → | Archive 35 |
This has been forked off the main Yahweh article for some time now, with the lead:
Yahweh, prior to becoming Yahweh, the national god of Israel, and taking on monotheistic attributes in the 6th century BCE, was a part of the Canaanite pantheon in the period before the Babylonian captivity.
As those who are familiar with the subject will know the main piece of modern evidence for the Yahweh pre-Israel deity theory is
More recently, the damaged Ugaritic cuneiform text KTU 1.1:IV:14-15 is also included in the discussion:[6]
- From KTU II:IV:13-14
- tgr.il.bnh.tr [ ] wyn.lt[p]n il dp[id...][7] [J yp 'r] Sm bny yw 'ilt
- My son [shall not be called] by the name of Yw, o goddess, [Jfc ym smh (?)] [but Ym shall be his name!]
There's slow ongoing discussion on whether to de-Fork and merge back to Yahweh, whether to leave separate, or what to do about improving provision of modern WP:RS and WP:NPOV sources. If there are any knowledgeable editors available... In ictu oculi ( talk) 07:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Here is:
Not sure where it should go and be used as a source WhisperToMe ( talk) 08:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
There's a Request for Comment occurring that seems relevant to this project. It's regarding the Peter Sellers article and the word "Jewish" to describe a conman character in several 1980 Barclay's Bank commercials. There is a heated discussion regarding the sources to support the content. Input can be very helpful to everyone involved, including me.
Discussion at Talk:Peter Sellers#Request for Comment: Use of term "Jewish" to describe conman character. -- Oakshade ( talk) 22:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
At the Peter Sellers article there is discussion of how to refer to a fictional character played by Peter Sellers in three advertisements that he made for Barclay's Bank. The 3 advertisements are available for viewing on YouTube. Rather than provide a direct link to the video containing those 3 advertisements, I will instead suggest that you use the search terms "Peter Sellers Barclays Commercials" at YouTube. The Peter Sellers article presently contains the following sentence: "Filmed in April 1980 in Ireland, he played a Jewish conman, Monty Casino." Extensive discussion can be found on the Talk page of the article. Please feel free to weigh in. Bus stop ( talk) 05:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
You may wish to comment at Talk:Peter_Sellers#Request_for_Comment:_Use_of_term_.22Jewish.22_to_describe_conman_character. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:27, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Copied here from my talkpage Why do you keep removing the article Adult bar and bat mitzvah from the Template:Jewish life? Xyz7890 ( talk) 00:35, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Just a note - this page is getting overspill from a WP:FRINGE theory that the Christian book of Matthew is based on a lost Hebrew original (scholars considered it a product of Hellenistic Judaism, written in Greek), primarily because a recurring cycle of edits over the past x years has been repeatedly rejected by editors on pages relevant to the subject. I realise the actual details of such a theory are not of interest to editors on Antisemitism, but it seems a WP:WEIGHT issue to have a fringe Christian/Messianic theory even be mentioned. This probably does not constitute a neutral notification, sorry, but the comment "recurring cycle of edits over the past x years has been repeatedly rejected by editors on pages relevant to the subject" is demonstrable from edit histories. In ictu oculi ( talk) 17:47, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Just as a heads up an IP editor is editing instances of Judaism insisting that it is a religion and not a race or an ethnicity: Special:Contributions/98.100.17.34 If the edits are justified, then so be it. But it's good to know about these edits. WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:01, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
An editor has moved Yissachar Dov Rokeach (I) to Yissachar Dov Rokeach I, and Yissachar Dov Rokeach (II) to Yissachar Dov Rokeach II. He is of the opinion that all such pages should be renamed this way. I pointed out that Judaism has no such concept as "the first," the "second," or even "senior" and "junior". Other editors are invited to comment at Talk:Yissachar Dov Rokeach I#Page rename. Thank you, Yoninah ( talk) 18:44, 4 November 2013 (UTC) I would wonder if it would not be more accurate to include the patrynimic (father's name). Jewish tradition, in the Western communities, is against naming someone after a living person. There would not be a Yissachar Dov Jr., as the father could not name his son the same name as his own. Even grandchildren might not get the name if the original YD was alive at the times of their births. YDR(I) might have been more accurately differentiated from YDR(II) by their having different father's names. In the Talmud, there are even those who are identified solely by the father's name, e.g Ben Nanas or Son of Nanas. Artstop ( talk) 19:44, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I need help with hte derivation of Thoph in Thopha saccata. The 1843 source is French and gives it as "tambour", but tambour is a disambiguation - and leads to a stringed instrument (???). Can anyone familiar with Hebrew give a more accurate meaning (and it'd be great if we could stick the Hebrew letters in the article, which I am not sure I know how to do). Cheers, Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 19:52, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion taking place about whether to include this website as an External link at the article 2012 Munich artworks discovery. Additional input welcome. Bus stop ( talk) 15:54, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Category:Pogrom victims, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. X Ottawahitech ( talk) 04:29, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
FYI, I created User:L'Aquatique/Userboxes/Rabbi and Category:Wikipedian rabbis.
This user is a rabbi |
I'd like to renew my request for a free image of the Lubavitcher rebbe to be used on User:L'Aquatique/Userboxes/ChabadnikLubavitcher. Debresser ( talk) 12:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Internet celebrity and reality TV personality Tila Tequila has been fairly vocally antisemitic in the last few years, though this isn't reflected in her article. Most of the sources are primary, though there are some secondary sources like this one from Animal. I considered that it could be some long and elaborate hoax (seeing as how she gave an interview a while back saying she'd converted to Judaism), but there are Nazi images uploaded to her Facebook, and now a song on her YouTube with lyrics clearly inline with this whole breakdown.
I am not the most tactful of editors and I'd prefer to avoid this type of BLP edit and any potential fallout. I'm hoping that someone can tell me if this info should even be in the article, and if so is there someone who would want to add it. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 07:02, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Someone has messed around with the "Ashkenazi Jews" article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.40.95 ( talk) 18:21, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello,
I'v been working on article: Abimelech (Judges) for a while now, and I couldn't find any templates for the Biblical Judges. Will someone with knowledgeable insight on how to create templates please make one for the Judges — Thank you — ♣Jerm♣ 729 —Preceding undated comment added 23:34, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Should transliterated Hebrew words be capitalized and/or italicized? So far, usage seems to be inconsistent, even within one article. For example, Kohen includes both "Kohanim" and "kohanim" in the lead. -- Ypnypn ( talk) 18:07, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
24.191.198.98 ( talk · contribs) (= 69.113.47.119 ( talk · contribs) who edited in mid-November = 24.191.198.103 ( talk · contribs) who edited in mid-October) has been adding odd Ashkenazi-centric points of view, unsourced or with unreliable sources, to a set of articles:
IP's edits have been reverted many times by various users (including myself, obviously); check the relevant pages' histories.
I am not sure how to deal with this as I have little experience in dealing with tendentious editors. Can anyone help me?
הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 01:38, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Done Reverted all problematic edits mentioned above at Ashkenazi Hebrew, History of the Jews in France, Rashi, Tosafot and List of Tosafists; Rabbeinu Tam already reverted by Debresser.
Not done Haym Solomon and he:חיים סולומון (perhaps I should inform the primary editor of the Hebrew article of the issue raised here).
הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 03:45, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Yet again at Haym Solomon, reverted by Josh3580; and again, reverted by myself. And this despite a recent level-3 warning by Bluefist.
Which is the appropriate noticeboard to report this?
הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 00:10, 25 December 2013 (UTC) הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 00:10, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Done Reported at ANI. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 01:36, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
I've just noticed this series of moves:
The argument seems to be that Lot is mentioned in the Quran eg, so the dab should be "Abrahamic" to include Islam rather than "biblical" which is Jewish + Christian.
This, and similar edits on other articles, might benefit from broader input. I haven't posted this note at WP Islam or WP Christianity yet but will link to it. In ictu oculi ( talk) 03:37, 26 December 2013 (UTC)