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The Japanese article ja:日本神話 has the following sections in あらすじ:
Could someone help translating these articles? In particular, ja:天地開闢 (日本神話), ja:国産み, ja:神産み and ja:神代七世 have Spanish translations. If someone understands Spanish, please help. Thank you. -- Shinkansen Fan ( talk) 00:44, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I am copying my comments from Template talk:Jmyth navbox long. They apply equally to Template:Jmyth navbox tall and Template:Jmyth infobox.
Are members of this task force interested to create separate templates for religious and folkloric topics, ideally linked back to one another with a cross-reference? I'm not particularly expert in this area, but know just enough to take mild offense at the current templates. Cnilep ( talk) 15:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
I've mocked up a version of the 'long' box with only Shinto, Buddhism, and the 七福神 at User:Cnilep/Japanese mythology. Cnilep ( talk) 22:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
The corresponding folklore box is now at User:Cnilep/Japanese folklore. Cnilep ( talk) 17:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I have merged my content to {{ Jmyth navbox long}}, moved my folklore template to Template name space, and removed folklore content from {{ Jmyth navbox tall}}. I also looked through the pages that included the navboxes, and changed about 70 from Jmyth navbox long to {{ Japanese folklore long}}. I did not edit Jmyth infobox. Cnilep ( talk) 15:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
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I have proposed possibly expanding the scope of this project, and a few others. For the purposes of centralized discussion, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion#Possible reorganization of some related projects. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 15:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
I have just noticed that during January and February of this year User:Shinkansen Fan made substantial changes to Template:Jmyth navbox long, citing the discussion above. I disagree with the substance of those edits, which removed Buddhist and folk myths and left only Shinto elements. I do not think that there was consensus for such changes in the September 2010 discussion. I have therefore rolled back the changes. I expect that Shinkansen Fan may want to return to his version of the template, so I am re-opening discussion here, so as to get the greatest possible participation among interested editors. Cnilep ( talk) 01:49, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
There is a common joke in Japan that says we are born Buddhists, we live as Shintoists, and we die Buddhists. Shinto is the major indigenous religion here and its mythology has effects on our lives, but so does Buddhism as well as some foreign myths. To say that Shinto belief is the totality of Japanese mythology is to misstate something fundamental. See, for example, On Understanding Japanese Religion (isbn:0691102295), Handbook of Japanese Mythology (isbn:1576074676), or 神仏習合 (isbn:4004304539), all of which describe the place of Shinto and Buddhism in Japanese life and tradition, as well as the relationships between the traditions.
I would not have any strong objection to creating separate Shinto and Buddhist templates (aside from a general preference for elegance and efficiency), but I don't think that either alone can be called "Japanese mythology". Cnilep ( talk) 01:06, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Fujin may not be the best representative of this task force. It's a product of syncretism of folk beliefs and cultural transfer along the Silk Road. I think someone from the Kiki is better. Also, I'd like to move all the groupings to the left and Amaterasu to the right, on top of Susanoo. She is more powerful than him.-- Shinkansen Fan ( talk) 01:50, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Reopened I'd like to reopen the discussion on a standard naming convention of
kami. There is none at the moment.Below is the previous discussion in
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan.
I've noticed that there are many hyphenated names of kami in Japanese mythology articles.
I think this hyphenation necessitates redirects and makes it harder to read and write articles. I personally like "Kuninotokotachi" as one word, rather than "Kuni-no-tokotachi", and "Kuninotokotachi no kami/mikoto" with no hyphenation rather than "Kuni-no-tokotachi-no-kami/mikoto" or "Kuninotokotachi-no-kami/mikoto".
Perhaps we need a standard naming convention. Thoughts? -- Shinkansen Fan ( talk) 01:53, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Second opinion requestedDoes anyone else have an opinion on this? --
Shinkansen Fan (
talk)
05:57, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
In addition to hyphens, the discussion might address which portion of the gods' names should be used as page titles. Currently we have Izanami-no-Mikoto but Izanagi. In some cases longer names redirect to shorter ones (e.g. Susanoo-no-Mikoto > Susanoo), but in others shorter names redirect to longer ones (e.g. Tsukiyomi > Tsukiyomi-no-Mikoto). Cnilep ( talk) 23:49, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
I second Shinkansen Fan's suggestion that the most common form of the name without no-mikoto/no-kami be used in page titles, with alternate versions (including honorifics where they are commonly used) included in the article's lead section. I have no strong preference for the use of hyphens versus spaces in names containing other nouns (no hime; no tsubone etc.), but agree that long compounds with neither (e.g. Empress Iwanohime) should be avoided as difficult to read and often overly-long. (But of course I have no objections to redirects.) Cnilep ( talk) 03:08, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Discussion ongoing...
This is something related to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles).-- Shinkansen Fan ( talk) 13:28, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
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The page which had been Gautama Buddha was unsuccessfully proposed for a change to Siddhartha Gautama, then successfully changed to The Buddha, and is now being proposed for a change to Buddha. Your input and expertise would be most welcome at: Talk:The_Buddha#Requested_move_25_November_2022 Best, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 00:48, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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The Japanese article ja:日本神話 has the following sections in あらすじ:
Could someone help translating these articles? In particular, ja:天地開闢 (日本神話), ja:国産み, ja:神産み and ja:神代七世 have Spanish translations. If someone understands Spanish, please help. Thank you. -- Shinkansen Fan ( talk) 00:44, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I am copying my comments from Template talk:Jmyth navbox long. They apply equally to Template:Jmyth navbox tall and Template:Jmyth infobox.
Are members of this task force interested to create separate templates for religious and folkloric topics, ideally linked back to one another with a cross-reference? I'm not particularly expert in this area, but know just enough to take mild offense at the current templates. Cnilep ( talk) 15:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
I've mocked up a version of the 'long' box with only Shinto, Buddhism, and the 七福神 at User:Cnilep/Japanese mythology. Cnilep ( talk) 22:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
The corresponding folklore box is now at User:Cnilep/Japanese folklore. Cnilep ( talk) 17:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I have merged my content to {{ Jmyth navbox long}}, moved my folklore template to Template name space, and removed folklore content from {{ Jmyth navbox tall}}. I also looked through the pages that included the navboxes, and changed about 70 from Jmyth navbox long to {{ Japanese folklore long}}. I did not edit Jmyth infobox. Cnilep ( talk) 15:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the Wikipedia 1.0 team for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were selected based on their assessed importance and quality, then article versions (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the WikiTrust algorithm.
We would like to ask you to review the Japanese mythology articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (♦) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.
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I have proposed possibly expanding the scope of this project, and a few others. For the purposes of centralized discussion, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion#Possible reorganization of some related projects. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 15:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
I have just noticed that during January and February of this year User:Shinkansen Fan made substantial changes to Template:Jmyth navbox long, citing the discussion above. I disagree with the substance of those edits, which removed Buddhist and folk myths and left only Shinto elements. I do not think that there was consensus for such changes in the September 2010 discussion. I have therefore rolled back the changes. I expect that Shinkansen Fan may want to return to his version of the template, so I am re-opening discussion here, so as to get the greatest possible participation among interested editors. Cnilep ( talk) 01:49, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
There is a common joke in Japan that says we are born Buddhists, we live as Shintoists, and we die Buddhists. Shinto is the major indigenous religion here and its mythology has effects on our lives, but so does Buddhism as well as some foreign myths. To say that Shinto belief is the totality of Japanese mythology is to misstate something fundamental. See, for example, On Understanding Japanese Religion (isbn:0691102295), Handbook of Japanese Mythology (isbn:1576074676), or 神仏習合 (isbn:4004304539), all of which describe the place of Shinto and Buddhism in Japanese life and tradition, as well as the relationships between the traditions.
I would not have any strong objection to creating separate Shinto and Buddhist templates (aside from a general preference for elegance and efficiency), but I don't think that either alone can be called "Japanese mythology". Cnilep ( talk) 01:06, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Fujin may not be the best representative of this task force. It's a product of syncretism of folk beliefs and cultural transfer along the Silk Road. I think someone from the Kiki is better. Also, I'd like to move all the groupings to the left and Amaterasu to the right, on top of Susanoo. She is more powerful than him.-- Shinkansen Fan ( talk) 01:50, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Reopened I'd like to reopen the discussion on a standard naming convention of
kami. There is none at the moment.Below is the previous discussion in
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan.
I've noticed that there are many hyphenated names of kami in Japanese mythology articles.
I think this hyphenation necessitates redirects and makes it harder to read and write articles. I personally like "Kuninotokotachi" as one word, rather than "Kuni-no-tokotachi", and "Kuninotokotachi no kami/mikoto" with no hyphenation rather than "Kuni-no-tokotachi-no-kami/mikoto" or "Kuninotokotachi-no-kami/mikoto".
Perhaps we need a standard naming convention. Thoughts? -- Shinkansen Fan ( talk) 01:53, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Second opinion requestedDoes anyone else have an opinion on this? --
Shinkansen Fan (
talk)
05:57, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
In addition to hyphens, the discussion might address which portion of the gods' names should be used as page titles. Currently we have Izanami-no-Mikoto but Izanagi. In some cases longer names redirect to shorter ones (e.g. Susanoo-no-Mikoto > Susanoo), but in others shorter names redirect to longer ones (e.g. Tsukiyomi > Tsukiyomi-no-Mikoto). Cnilep ( talk) 23:49, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
I second Shinkansen Fan's suggestion that the most common form of the name without no-mikoto/no-kami be used in page titles, with alternate versions (including honorifics where they are commonly used) included in the article's lead section. I have no strong preference for the use of hyphens versus spaces in names containing other nouns (no hime; no tsubone etc.), but agree that long compounds with neither (e.g. Empress Iwanohime) should be avoided as difficult to read and often overly-long. (But of course I have no objections to redirects.) Cnilep ( talk) 03:08, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Discussion ongoing...
This is something related to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles).-- Shinkansen Fan ( talk) 13:28, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.
We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma ( talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
The page which had been Gautama Buddha was unsuccessfully proposed for a change to Siddhartha Gautama, then successfully changed to The Buddha, and is now being proposed for a change to Buddha. Your input and expertise would be most welcome at: Talk:The_Buddha#Requested_move_25_November_2022 Best, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 00:48, 28 November 2022 (UTC)