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Here are a few more articles brought over from the Dutch wiki. In some cases for the sake of brevity I just g-translated the ledes and and put an "expand from Dutch" tag on the stub. I also formed a few new categories:
MatthewVanitas ( talk) 22:45, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for letting us know - it is appreciated Satu Suro 03:55, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
The Indonesia project may be interested in this. Why Yogya, Jakarta and Aceh are treated as entities separate from Indonesia in the template evades me. Note that this template appears on thousands of articles. WHo'd like to start the Military of Yogyakarta article as red-linked here? -- Merbabu ( talk) 08:42, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
?? So what use is that to anyone - it is a figment of someones fertile imagination - it does not exist in any other form of reality, since when do qatar and philippines have anything in common other than this template? Satu Suro 07:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Indonesian National Revolution/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 18:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
There's a bit of redirecting and un-redirecting going on with this page. I tend to agree with those trying to redirect it - it's redundant to the main article, but perhaps I don't agree with the process of redirecting instead of afd. However, I don't think afd will succeed. Would be happy to hear the thoughts of others. cheers -- Merbabu ( talk) 11:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
1 General reference 2 Geography of Indonesia 2.1 Environment of Indonesia 2.1.1 Natural geographic features of Indonesia
2.2 Regions of Indonesia 2.2.1 Ecoregions of Indonesia 2.2.2 Administrative divisions of Indonesia 2.2.2.1 Provinces of Indonesia 2.2.2.2 Regencies of Indonesia 2.2.2.3 Cities of Indonesia
2.3 Demography of Indonesia
3 Government and politics of Indonesia 3.1 Branches of the government of Indonesia 3.1.1 Executive branch of the government of Indonesia 3.1.2 Legislative branch of the government of Indonesia 3.1.3 Judicial branch of the government of Indonesia
3.2 Foreign relations of Indonesia 3.2.1 International organization membership
3.3 Law and order in Indonesia 3.4 Military of Indonesia 3.5 Local government in Indonesia
4 History of Indonesia 4.1 By field 4.2 By period 4.2.1 Early kingdoms 4.2.2 The rise of Muslim states 4.2.3 European colonialism 4.2.4 The emergence of Indonesia 4.2.5 Independent Indonesia
5 Culture of Indonesia 5.1 Art in Indonesia 5.2 Sports in Indonesia
6 Economy of Indonesia 7 Education in Indonesia 8 Infrastructure of Indonesia 9 See also 10 References 11 External links
1 Indonesia 2 Cities in Indonesia 2.1 Lists 2.2 Cities 2.3 Jakarta 2.3.1 Disturbances and disasters 2.3.2 Lists 2.3.3 Areas of Jakarta 2.3.3.1 Subdistricts of Jakarta
2.3.4 Buildings and structures in Jakarta 2.3.5 Transport in Jakarta
3 Communications in Indonesia 3.1 Mobile phone companies of Indonesia
4 Indonesian culture 4.1 Indonesian architecture 4.1.1 Traditional architecture 4.1.2 Buildings and structures in Indonesia 4.1.2.1 Buildings and structures in Jakarta 4.1.2.2 Shopping malls in Jakarta 4.1.2.3 Palaces in Indonesia 4.1.2.4 Prisons in Indonesia 4.1.2.5 Shopping malls in Indonesia 4.1.2.6 Towers in Indonesia
4.1.3 Architects
4.2 Indonesian art 4.2.1 Indonesian artists 4.2.1.1 Indonesian painters 4.2.1.2 Indonesian photographers
4.3 Balinese mythology 4.4 Cinema of Indonesia 4.4.1 Indonesian film directors 4.4.2 Indonesian films 4.4.3 Indonesian actors 4.4.4 Indonesian comedians
4.5 Indonesian clothing 4.6 Indonesian cuisine 4.7 Dances of Indonesia 4.8 Indonesian folklore 4.9 Languages of Indonesia 4.9.1 Indonesian language
4.10 Libraries in Indonesia 4.11 Indonesian encyclopedias 4.12 Indonesian literature 4.12.1 Old Sundanese Literature 4.12.2 Old Javanese Literature 4.12.3 Kakawin 4.12.4 Malay literature 4.12.5 Indonesian writers
4.13 Malay culture 4.14 Museums in Indonesia 4.15 Indonesian music 4.16 Music of... 4.16.1 Music composers 4.16.2 Music styles 4.16.3 Indonesian musical groups 4.16.4 Indonesian albums 4.16.4.1 Peterpan albums
4.16.5 Indonesian musicians
5 Economy of Indonesia 5.1 Indonesian businesspeople 5.2 Companies of Indonesia 5.2.1 Banks of Indonesia
5.3 Mines in Indonesia 5.4 Ports and harbours of Indonesia 5.5 Trade unions of Indonesia
6 Education in Indonesia 6.1 Schools in Indonesia 6.2 Universities and colleges in Indonesia
7 Environment of Indonesia 7.1 Natural history of Indonesia
8 Geography of Indonesia 8.1 Bays of Indonesia 8.2 Beaches of Indonesia 8.3 Headlands of Indonesia 8.4 Islands of Indonesia 8.4.1 Bali 8.4.1.1 Balinese language
9 Geology of Indonesia 9.1 Volcanoes of Bali 9.2 Java 9.3 Sulawesi 9.4 Sumatra 9.5 Lakes of Indonesia 9.6 Maps of Indonesia 9.7 Metropolitan areas of Indonesia 9.8 Mountain ranges of Indonesia 9.9 Mountains of Indonesia 9.10 National parks of Indonesia 9.10.1 Alas Purwo National Park
9.11 Parks in Indonesia 9.12 Rivers of Indonesia 9.13 Straits of Indonesia 9.14 Subdivisions of Indonesia 9.14.1 Regencies of Indonesia 9.14.1.1 Counties of Indonesia
9.14.2 Subdistricts of Indonesia
9.15 Towns in Indonesia 9.16 Volcanoes of Indonesia 9.16.1 Volcanic calderas of Indonesia 9.16.2 Volcanoes of Halmahera 9.16.3 Volcanoes of Java 9.16.4 Volcanoes of the Lesser Sunda Islands 9.16.4.1 Volcanoes of Sumbawa
9.16.5 Volcanoes of Sumatra
9.17 Indonesia geography stubs
10 Government of Indonesia 10.1 Foreign relations of Indonesia 10.1.1 Indonesian diplomats 10.1.1.1 Ambassadors of Indonesia
10.2 Presidents of Indonesia 10.3 Military of Indonesia 10.3.1 Indonesian generals 10.3.2 Special forces of Indonesia
11 Health in Indonesia 11.1 Healthcare in Indonesia 11.1.1 Hospitals in Indonesia
12 History of Indonesia 12.1 Pre-colonial Indonesia (before 1602) 12.1.1 Srivijaya (3rd century–1400) 12.1.2 Melayu Kingdom (4th century-13 century) 12.1.3 Sailendra (8th Century-832) 12.1.4 Kingdom of Mataram (752-1045)
12.2 Kediri (1045–1221) 12.3 Singhasari (1222–1292) 12.4 Majapahit (1293–1500) 12.5 Sultanate of Demak 12.6 Mataram Sultanate (1500s to 1700s) 12.7 The Dutch in Indonesia (1602–1945) 12.7.1 Anglo-Dutch Java War (1810–1811) 12.7.2 Padri War (1821–1837) 12.7.3 Java War (1825–1830) 12.7.4 Aceh War (1873–1904) 12.7.5 National Revival (1899–1942) 12.7.6 Japanese Invasion (1941–1942)
12.8 Japanese Occupation (1942–1945) 12.9 Independence (1945-1950) 12.9.1 1950s
12.10 1960s 12.10.1 Overthrow of Sukarno (1965–1966)
12.11 New Order (1965–1998) 12.12 Revolution of 1998 (1996–1998) 12.13 21st century 12.13.1 Terrorism in Indonesia 12.13.2 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake (2004–present)
12.14 Archaeological sites in Indonesia 12.15 Crime in Indonesia 12.15.1 Indonesian prisoners and detainees
12.16 Disasters in Indonesia 12.16.1 Earthquakes in Indonesia 12.16.1.1 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake
12.17 Elections in Indonesia 12.18 History of Java 12.19 History of Sumatra 12.20 Years in Indonesia
13 Indonesian law 13.1 Law enforcement in Indonesia
14 Indonesia-related lists 15 Indonesian media 15.1 Indonesian publishers 15.2 Newspapers published in Indonesia 15.3 Indonesian radio 15.3.1 Radio stations in Indonesia
15.4 Indonesian television 15.4.1 Television stations in Indonesia
15.5 Journalists
16 Indonesian people 16.1 Christian Indonesian Theologian 16.2 Indonesian people by ethnic or national origin 16.3 Indonesian monarchs 16.3.1 Sultans of Yogyakarta 16.3.2 Susuhuans of Surakarta
16.4 Indonesian people by occupation 16.4.1 Indonesian astronauts 16.4.2 Indonesian criminals 16.4.3 Indonesian singers 16.4.4 Indonesian television personalities
16.5 People of Indonesian descent 16.5.1 Indonesian Americans 16.5.2 Indonesian Australians 16.5.3 Indonesian Germans
16.6 Indonesian people stubs
17 Politics of Indonesia 17.1 Political parties in Indonesia 17.1.1 Youth wings of political parties in Indonesia
17.2 Indonesian politicians 17.2.1 Indonesian communists
18 Provinces of Indonesia 18.1 West Java
19 Religion in Indonesia 19.1 Javanese beliefs 19.2 Islam in Indonesia 19.2.1 Mosques in Indonesia
19.3 Places of worship in Indonesia 19.3.1 Buddhist temples in Indonesia 19.3.2 Hindu temples in Indonesia
19.4 Roman Catholic dioceses in Indonesia
20 Science and technology in Indonesia 20.1 Ships of Indonesia 20.1.1 Tall ships of Indonesia
21 Indonesian society 21.1 Ethnic groups in Indonesia 21.2 Organizations based in Indonesia 21.2.1 Youth organizations based in Indonesia 21.2.1.1 Scouting in Indonesia 21.2.1.2 Indonesian student societies
22 Sport in Indonesia 22.1 Football in Indonesia 22.1.1 Indonesian football clubs 22.1.2 Indonesian football competitions 22.1.3 Footballers in Indonesia by club 22.1.3.1 Semen Padang F.C. players
22.1.4 Indonesian footballers 22.1.5 Football venues in Indonesia
22.2 Golf in Indonesia 22.2.1 Golf tournaments in Indonesia
22.3 Indonesia at the Olympics 22.3.1 Olympic competitors for Indonesia
22.4 Sports governing bodies in Indonesia 22.5 Indonesian sportspeople 22.5.1 Indonesian archers 22.5.2 Indonesian badminton players 22.5.3 Indonesian boxers 22.5.4 Indonesian chess players 22.5.5 Indonesian poker players 22.5.6 Indonesian racecar drivers 22.5.7 Indonesian tennis players 22.5.8 Indonesian weightlifters
22.6 Sports venues in Indonesia
23 Tourism in Indonesia 23.1 Tourism Guide Books 23.2 Airlines of Indonesia 23.3 Airports in Indonesia 23.4 Visitor attractions in Indonesia 23.4.1 Gardens in Indonesia 23.4.1.1 Botanical gardens in Indonesia
23.4.2 Surf breaks in Indonesia 23.4.3 Theme parks in Indonesia 23.4.4 World Heritage Sites in Indonesia 23.4.5 Zoos in Indonesia
24 Transport in Indonesia 24.1 Bridges in Indonesia 24.2 Transport in Indonesia by city 24.3 Rail transport in Indonesia 24.3.1 Railway stations in Indonesia
24.4 Roads in Indonesia 24.5 Water transport in Indonesia
25 Indonesia stubs 26 See also
I have recently noticed that on pages using the "Politics of Indonesia" template, such as Politics of Indonesia and Cabinet of Indonesia, there is a huge blank area at the top of the page, with the article only starting after the template. This is true for Firefox and IE, and is independent of font size. It is not the case for other articles using templates based on the "politbox" template such as Politics of Canada (or for articles using the "History of Indonesia" template). Does anybody know enough about Wiki Markup Language to fix it, because it looks silly. Davidelit (Talk) 15:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I've been doing some work in the past 6 months on National parks of Indonesia articles (16 new articles/stubs, article expansions, locator maps, navbar, 5½ DYKs), and would much appreciate independent assessment of all articles in this category in terms of WikiProject importance and quality. This would help define future priorities for bringing some to GA/FA status. Many thanks. Elekhh ( talk) 01:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
This article has been prodded. Maurreen ( talk) 06:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Oh sleeping giant of Indonesian noticeboards - something to stir you all with enthusiasm no doubt:-
Satu Suro 02:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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The sort of list that every project dreams of having - extensive embedded ext links, red links all carefully structured so as to confound this projects usual practice of questioning the processes of lists that have more WP:NOT criteria than leopards have spots:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_Indonesia
any thoughts? It is neither Afd or keep - but what the hell - maybe we need the remaining active editors to comment? Satu Suro 13:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I've listed this for a peer review. Just thought you would all like to know. :-) -- Merbabu ( talk) 14:19, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
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Discussion is > here < -- Merbabu ( talk) 23:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Two historic images of Bandung from the Tropenmuseum collection have been nominated as Valued Picture Candidates. Feedback regarding the encylopaedic value of these images according to the Valued picture criteria can be provided here. -- Elekhh ( talk) 03:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
As the Indonesian project has items on its page that were 3 to 2 years old, I have taken the perogative to remove items that have been sitting there - including items placed by banned users. It is very close to a dormant project - due to the lack of regular editors - and lack of activity beyond a very few editors, please - if you can think of anything to either encourage regular help at this project or elicit help with project management - please leave your ideas here. Thanks Satu Suro 12:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Someone with skill has created the astonishing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2010_SMA_Negeri_1_Wringinanom_Events - bit like the East Bondi tram, or West Rottnest railway - notability out there in other words - will leave it open for view before suggesting deletion of category and related article Satu Suro 00:16, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
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As I have had too much involvement in trying to make it not being a classic candidate of an example of WP:NOT#DIR
could some one please review the current state of List_of_television_stations_in_Indonesia - my belief is it is a monster in need of either pruning or reducing in size or perhaps other issues as well. Any help would be appreciated Satu Suro 11:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Anybody interested to revive the Portal:Indonesia? I could suggest quite a few good images, articles and news events... -- Elekhh ( talk) 01:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Considering the absurd attempt to delete it some time back (dumb) - this is the best suggestion I have seen at this noticeboard for a while - the answer yes - however portal architecture has some very odd bits to negotiate - we might need more than one person to fix new changes Satu Suro 14:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Good ideas being putting forward here - please help anything that might lure or even encourage a new generation of editors prepared to assist or even comment if nothing else - here in the project - I am tired - very tired of seeing my sig predominately in this noticeboard archive - it would be great if we had new blood by any means - specially if the issus of maintaining this project are brought up - look at this: -
It is worth considering that regionally Indonesia has the largest article count but not the largest un-maintained or unassessed collection of the three.
Anything that can possibly incite any interest in the portal - then the project - and then possible involvement is to be encouraged!!! Satu Suro 05:03, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Following the above discussion, to remove the last redlink, I've been bold and implemented option (b): a selected biography pool of articles which are now displayed randomly on the portal. The proposed selection criteria is: at least C-class quality rating and Mid-importance for WikiProject Indonesia. The pool should be expanded with articles which qualify under this criteria. I only found 9 articles to qualify and there is an apparent bias for politicians, so it would be good to have more quality biographies from the arts and sciences. Feedback welcome. -- Elekhh ( talk) 07:13, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Is Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Members/Member activities really needed? I just removed some users but aside from that it has only been edited on 3 occassions since May 2007. And it seems redundant when users can cite their interests next to their names on Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Members. Perhaps it should be deleted? DiiCinta ( talk) 17:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
I have reverted the change - this user has not made any attempt prior to this to communicate with the other members of the project and has been constantly deleting their talk page - as a new user I do not think such a process is valid yet - I would like to know what the agenda of a constantly deleting talk page as well as deleted user page. I think it would be beneficial to see more of what the user is up to before allowing or agreeing to spring cleaning with a vengeance. Satu Suro 00:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Most projects are encouraged to keep lists of users - however slight a contribution however long ago - as a means of being able to check on a project page rather than trawling through page histories - which can be quite time consuming - specially when user names are changed - as with some that were deleted- and also when some users are blocked or banned Satu Suro 10:45, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Is there anyone in Jakarta who is able to take a good photo of the National Library of Indonesia on Jl. Salemba Raya? This article was surprisingly non-existent until I created it today. The current photo is from a cellphone and of poor quality. Arsonal ( talk) 20:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
This is what we have been battling for years in this project (in relation to what WP:NOT is about) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_Indonesia - is it that we now give up that it exists like this? Satu Suro 00:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Category:Project-Class Indonesia articles
In a current attempt to cleanup new categories created in a flurry recently - I have come across quite a few that do not read well - I would be interested if anyone else agrees that they are not termed the way in normal english: -
Any comments on this would be appreciated - as we may have a few to change terms if there is consensus that the titles are not normal english Satu Suro 12:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
The English Wikinews project has published an article about the new censorship of Internet sites displaying pornographic material, and we would like to illustrate it with a screenshot of what Internet users in Indonesia now see when they try and connect to such sites. You can contact me on my English Wikipedia or English Wikinews talkpages, or on the article page. As Wikinews does work to a deadline, unlike Wikipedia, a swift response would be highly appreciated. Regards Alexandr Dmitri ( talk) 15:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Middle_Ages specifically states European context - but we have Borobudur http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3ABorobudur&action=historysubmit&diff=379003246&oldid=368008126 and surrounds popping up as a medieval site - any thoughts from fellow WP In editors on this tagging? Satu Suro 07:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Just a friendly notice. It appears that Badan Pusat Statistik (BPS) has begun rolling out census data. Current estimates stand at 237 million. You can get a more detailed look here (PDF). Stay tuned for more comprehensive data next July! — Arsonal ( talk + contribs)— 09:11, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
There is at present a fairly continual addition of a large number of football player stubs being added - that belong to the Indonesian project - they are ranging greatly in quality - and in most cases are also WP:BLP issue related incomplete stubs - there may well be a counter action - please keep http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Indonesia on your watch - as recent deletions have had no regular WP Indonesia project members making any opinions there - cheers Satu Suro 11:12, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
There are two articles with similar names: Si Jalak Harupat Stadium & Jalak Harupat Soreang Stadium. It seems like they're both the same stadium. If so, one of them should be deleted. And I would also like to request a photo of the stadium as well. Obviously for the article itself but also to put in the 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup article. Banana Fingers ( talk) 17:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Maybe you like to vote at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_September_9#Category:Transportation_in_Indonesia TruckCard ( talk) 01:45, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
I found "Bahasa" and "Pilih Bahasa" as options. What is Pilih Bahasa? WhisperToMe ( talk) 09:51, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
It could be intrepreted as chosen language - or language of choice - but hey there are other native speakers around - they will be here a bit later.... Satu Suro 11:26, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Would someone mind looking at Talk:Central_Jakarta? It's about listing corporations based in the municipality of Central Jakarta. In the meantime I'll see what I can find in English. WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi all,
In my first time editing Wiki I think I may have stepped on a few toes, so apologies. I would like to propose a section on walking in Torajaland (therefore the Tana Toraja Regency page?): it is thus far overlooked, and has some really beautiful,unknown(!) walks!. I may have unintentionally edited in a way that caused it to be deleted a week or so ago.
Where do you suggest a good starting point would be (understood, if you would prefer it left alone)? For your information walkopedia (a reference to which I edited into the article) is not a commercial website, selling anything, but an walking-centric information store much like wiki. My hope was that other similar sites woould follow suit, so that the walker has all the information they could want at their fingertips...
Suggest as an external link as opposed to section in the article's main body? Alternatively I could post on this forum another version of some wording for you to review?
Best,
Billjohnsonwalko ( talk) 13:36, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
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In a series of articles relating to Liga Indonesia - the lead sentence makes no pretence to adequate WP:MOS guidelines about WP:LEAD and simply state: -
Statistics of Liga Indonesia in season...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996–97_Liga_Indonesia_Premier_Division - is a classic example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Liga_Indonesia_Premier_Division - so basically wikipedia is holding close to mute/unleaded lists for the soccer enthusiast?
I wonder if the Wp Indonesia project is really a soccer scoreboard or not? Not a word of text - the average outsider - non Indonesian soccer enthusiast cannot see anything in the lead para or sentence about what on earth it is? Satu Suro 13:41, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
There have been a long debate about English names for football clubs in Indonesia, as you can see in my user talk page. This issue is actually interesting and might be important for the sake of consistency. As you know, there have been common improper acronym-ization of Indonesian football clubs, for instance: the full name of Jakarta-based club is Persatuan Sepakbola Indonesia Jakarta, which is often acronym-ized as Persija. Both names are fine, however, media and even the Football Association of Indonesia often carelessly transform the name into Persija Jakarta, which is improper considering that the city name "Jakarta" is used twice.
An alternative proper abbreviation is suggested for Persatuan Sepak Bola Indonesia Jakarta, such as: PSI Jakarta, PS Jakarta or even Jakarta FC (using the term football club (FC) as English-literation of persatuan sepakbola). However, the last altnerative (Jakarta FC) seems to be unnecessary, as name prefix for sport clubs may use the original language, as in AS Roma (Italian club) or TSV 1860 Muenchen (German club).
Please let me know if you have suggestion or proper references about this, since now many articles related to Indoensian football are inconsistent in names. Thanks! Guybrush1979 ( talk) 21:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi, the second paragraph of the lead section in this article, Medan, is in slightly broken English, it seems to conflict with itself and is unsourced. It involves the mayors of the city and some corruption scandals in the last five or so years. Does anyone here know the relevant sources to confirm and describe more clearly what went on? I wonder also if a corruption scandal is appropriate in the lead of such an article. Is the city absolutely rampant with corruption? ~ R. T. G 14:36, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Although there may be some undue weight to the cannabalism section and some confusion over words in the Indonesian langauges in the latter sections, this seems to be a Good Article. When you next review some articles you should review this one. Couldn't take a lot of work for GA. ~ R. T. G 15:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
The Indonesian soccer (football) additions to the Indonesian project now outweigh all other added items on the alex new article bot - I suggest that this project create and establish specific criteria to assist editors to understand why and how their machine like additions are within scope or not.
Is anyone prepared to assist with a policy (that will have to have bilingual text due to the limited english of some of the more enthusiastic editors) ??? We need something by which we can give guidelines -= as it is we get these amazing technicolour tables/lists with not a single WP:RS in sight.
I do not think that this project should be a free soccer table service - I do think some sanity needs to return to the incessant additions - with credible reliable sources - and a very clear sign that some items are simply not suitable on wp en Satu Suro 12:36, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Because the new articles are being created by non-native speakers with usage of Indonesian spelling of province names rather than the anglicised versions (Sumatera is repeated all the time), stadia as a plural of stadiums, and the lack of correct spelling in titles (lack of understanding of plurals etc), and the lack of identifying project tags makes the general maintenance of new soccer articles and blocks of multicoloured names and lists a somewhat tedious process. Satu Suro 00:02, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
It is my belief that the one liner bios that are being generated daily from Jakarta (probably the Liga Office?) are neither WP:N or capable of sustaining issues of WP:RS or general relevance to Wikipedia - and the silent non talk editor is probably an employee of Liga Indonesia - just loading and either ignoring messages or wanrings and deletions and just carrying on as if nothing happens.
I suggest either a demand for a talk - and if so far not a squeak - then possible blocking for loading non notable one liner BLPS Satu Suro 03:53, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
we now have some classics - that show little understanding of english usage - any suggestions of what to do? Satu Suro 15:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
For anybody interested, I created an overview of the current status of the 50 national parks of Indonesia articles here. The sortable table is a good tool to establish priorities for those who are interested to contribute. -- Elekhh ( talk) 06:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick ( talk) 20:24, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
is this really within scope? Hermes Palace Hotel Sumbuddi ( talk) 03:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Someone created Aula simfonia Jakarta here at the English Wikipedia in the Indonesian language, and someone else is trying to get it speedily deleted. If anyone is willing to translate it into English, that would be a good idea. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
It is now time that with the almost incessant addition of one liner stubs about either soccer players or teams - that a well seasoned soccer editor from the football project needs to review the steady stream. As the editors appear to have limited if little english capacity (the creeping in of indonesian words or usage, or the minimum text one liner stubs with WP:ONESOURCE notably the liga indonesia website - and no corroborating WP:RS) - the Indonesian project is faced with something the average editor has neither the time or interest to glean the rubbish from the appropriate.
As the editors (who already have been identified above) never respond to the queries at their talk pages - and they simply keep adding their unsourced material - it really shows the lack of a reasonable policy or approach to be able to sort things out. I suggest that responses from others would be worth putting here - as I have more or less quit trying to cope with the issue.
So here it is - the project has been flooded with more or less pointless soccer info - most of it falling into WP:NOT territory - and the editors remain unchecked. Something has to be done Satu Suro 12:57, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
for instance: -
what a complete waste of time and energy - on WP id - there is no policing or reversion of material on the grounds of lack of WP:N, WP:V or WP:RS - there is the replication the total article here in WP en - surely most of the articles in this project should be reduced in size and context to the actual verifiable material (which is very little) Satu Suro 13:16, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Ideally - some editors prepared to work via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Task_forces_and_sub-projects and have some effort at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Notability and a few others Satu Suro 16:02, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
See [8] Sumbuddi ( talk) 04:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Just wanted to drop a short note that I no longer will be able to regularly contribute to the maintenance of Portal:Indonesia in 2011, so if anybody is interested to keep it alive is welcome to contribute. Current maintenance tasks entail keeping the News section up to date, Picture of the week nominations, and Selected Article and DYK sections. The Selected biography section has been set up in the course of this year to random display one of a number of selections (see previous discussion above), so it does not need any maintenance, however the pool of articles could be expanded. An option would be to change the other sections to a similar system (now used by many portals) which would greatly reduce maintenance requirement.
As a background info for those not yet involved: Portal Indonesia has been set up in August 2006 and immediately promoted to Featured status. However, starting 2008 and throughout 2009 it hasn't been maintained and became increasingly outdated, and consequently lost its featured status. In 2010 some effort has been done to revive it, and at least eliminate the redlinks and outdated info. As a result the number of views started to increase again surpassing 3,000 per month and the page ranked top 500 of over 6,000 pages within the scope of the wikiproject. Its future is in your hands. -- Elekhh ( talk) 00:17, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
According to what several Balinese people told me, Galungan is not a holiday to celebrate the coming (and going) of Balinese gods to earth, but rather a visit by ancestors of the Balinese. Does anybody have a reference on this? Robert van der Hoff ( talk) 03:02, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
It seems fast towards one vast soccer table - where text and explanation go and are replaced by lists and tables. Satu Suro 23:04, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Indonesian villages Are not by any means notable simply because they exist (inherent notability (( ie if a village exists it deserves a stub?)) would see literally tens of thousands of pointless stubs) - two examples: -
neither article actually has any inherent notability - as there is neither WP:RS or sufficient WP:V to verify anything that makes these localities any different from the tens of thousand other villages of Indonesia - some editors have been creating stubs for localities that seem to have no clear notability - any comment on this matter would be appreciated - Satu Suro 04:24, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
please - if you know of context that can justify the stubs - please add material (ie WP:RS for WP:V to save the stubs - it is simply beyond any one editor in this project to actually expand the untended articles beyond their impoverished state - as for the thousands of flowers - that association was not inferred or intended in any way - thats your memory or association! - for this project to assume:- Generally speaking, I expect to find a listing for any place, however so humble - in all WP: AGF and WP:CIVILITY - you really have to be kidding (maybe you dont understand WP:ABOUT or WP:NOT )- there is no practical functional reason why the Indonesian project should have the name of every village in the country on wikipedia, a clear misreading and understanding of what this project (Indonesia project or Wikipedia in general) is about - it is not a gazzetteer Satu Suro 04:59, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Good luck in trying to delete these articles. I only started the major villages in Papua and Maluku. In fact I added more text to a few of them and sources like Galela and Tobelo. You gonna try delete does too?. They don't stand a chance of being deleted if they are verifiable settlements. Sorry. Satusaro if the regencies are a serious problem I suggest you highlight to me what exactly needs doing and for what provinces the sub stubs lie in. We both know that regencies should have decent articles.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC) Koor, Indonesia is perfectly acceptable and by labelling my valid stubs as "pointless sub stubs" you really ought to read what wiki means. I adde dmore content and sources in five minutes flat.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Point taken - a stub is started and nothing is really added to verify that - I did not start this discussion in relation to deleting anything - what I object to is finding stubs that have no inherent clues as to why they are started - as you have shown - they can be added to - there is never followup on this project unless something like this happens - (too few editors and very very little followup on the more outrageous errors) - so thank you for showing what you have started actually has menaing beyond what the original state of the stub reflected - I do think it is on the onus of the original editor to put even a single wp;rs or something to offer a potential to review the status of a stub - rather than have project members or others wondering why a particular one lined stub might exist Satu Suro 12:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Maybe the current status of Koor, Indonesia and a new article of mine on a Kecamatan, yes SatuSuro a Kecamatan!!! Sausapor are evidence that maybe more localised places in Indonesia are more notable than you might think. If we had an article on every Kecamatan on english wikipedia like Sausapor I doubt you'd be complaining. What we don't want is this. Indonesian, Vietnam, Burma, Cambodia and Laos are my area of focus anyway so I'll try to make my work on Indonesia ongoing and improve quality. But the biggest obstacle is time. I work on African topics, Latin American topics even expanding US/UK village and European architecture so there is only so much time I have to contribute to Indonesian articles. I really wish you would all follow my example and get writing instead of moaning... If we want quality then deleting every short/undeveloped article in sight is unlikely going to work as they are likely to be recreated equally as badly at some point. If we want quality we have to be prepared to research articles and spend the time writing. Otherwise don't complain about the lacking additions of others.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
There's no reason why eventually we couldn't have a half decent article on every kelurahan of Indonesia if sources are apparent. Of course sourcing is the main obstacle but from what I've seen so far information can be gathered to start at least some of the sub districts as I've demonstrated with Sausapor, Bontobahari, Pitumpanua, Masamba and Larompong. Priority though is the regencies of Indonesia. There's no excuse for not having articles on them initially, they should be expanded/started asap. Thanks you've inspired me to generate tons of articles on Indonesian places...♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Has found this intriguing issue - I have never seen Times atlas used as a reason to delete an article that has existed for 3 years - please add your comments - those who have this on your watch: - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunaka cheers Satu Suro 00:04, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
LOL @ "uncited bollocks". Yeah its a hoax, I've speedied it but no admin has deleted yet.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
I notice red link lists of kecamatan are appearing in regency (and other?) articles. Looks good. Could we get the sources cited? It is presumably coming from somewhere and not the editor's head. many thanks -- Merbabu ( talk) 10:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Western New Guinea redirects to West Papua (region), but we have Category:Western New Guinea and several similarly named subcategories. We should either rename the article to Western New Guinea, or move the categories to Category:West Papua (region). I think the article move would be better. – Moondyne 02:13, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
So what to do? -- Merbabu ( talk) 08:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | → | Archive 10 |
Here are a few more articles brought over from the Dutch wiki. In some cases for the sake of brevity I just g-translated the ledes and and put an "expand from Dutch" tag on the stub. I also formed a few new categories:
MatthewVanitas ( talk) 22:45, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for letting us know - it is appreciated Satu Suro 03:55, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
The Indonesia project may be interested in this. Why Yogya, Jakarta and Aceh are treated as entities separate from Indonesia in the template evades me. Note that this template appears on thousands of articles. WHo'd like to start the Military of Yogyakarta article as red-linked here? -- Merbabu ( talk) 08:42, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
?? So what use is that to anyone - it is a figment of someones fertile imagination - it does not exist in any other form of reality, since when do qatar and philippines have anything in common other than this template? Satu Suro 07:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Indonesian National Revolution/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 18:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
There's a bit of redirecting and un-redirecting going on with this page. I tend to agree with those trying to redirect it - it's redundant to the main article, but perhaps I don't agree with the process of redirecting instead of afd. However, I don't think afd will succeed. Would be happy to hear the thoughts of others. cheers -- Merbabu ( talk) 11:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
1 General reference 2 Geography of Indonesia 2.1 Environment of Indonesia 2.1.1 Natural geographic features of Indonesia
2.2 Regions of Indonesia 2.2.1 Ecoregions of Indonesia 2.2.2 Administrative divisions of Indonesia 2.2.2.1 Provinces of Indonesia 2.2.2.2 Regencies of Indonesia 2.2.2.3 Cities of Indonesia
2.3 Demography of Indonesia
3 Government and politics of Indonesia 3.1 Branches of the government of Indonesia 3.1.1 Executive branch of the government of Indonesia 3.1.2 Legislative branch of the government of Indonesia 3.1.3 Judicial branch of the government of Indonesia
3.2 Foreign relations of Indonesia 3.2.1 International organization membership
3.3 Law and order in Indonesia 3.4 Military of Indonesia 3.5 Local government in Indonesia
4 History of Indonesia 4.1 By field 4.2 By period 4.2.1 Early kingdoms 4.2.2 The rise of Muslim states 4.2.3 European colonialism 4.2.4 The emergence of Indonesia 4.2.5 Independent Indonesia
5 Culture of Indonesia 5.1 Art in Indonesia 5.2 Sports in Indonesia
6 Economy of Indonesia 7 Education in Indonesia 8 Infrastructure of Indonesia 9 See also 10 References 11 External links
1 Indonesia 2 Cities in Indonesia 2.1 Lists 2.2 Cities 2.3 Jakarta 2.3.1 Disturbances and disasters 2.3.2 Lists 2.3.3 Areas of Jakarta 2.3.3.1 Subdistricts of Jakarta
2.3.4 Buildings and structures in Jakarta 2.3.5 Transport in Jakarta
3 Communications in Indonesia 3.1 Mobile phone companies of Indonesia
4 Indonesian culture 4.1 Indonesian architecture 4.1.1 Traditional architecture 4.1.2 Buildings and structures in Indonesia 4.1.2.1 Buildings and structures in Jakarta 4.1.2.2 Shopping malls in Jakarta 4.1.2.3 Palaces in Indonesia 4.1.2.4 Prisons in Indonesia 4.1.2.5 Shopping malls in Indonesia 4.1.2.6 Towers in Indonesia
4.1.3 Architects
4.2 Indonesian art 4.2.1 Indonesian artists 4.2.1.1 Indonesian painters 4.2.1.2 Indonesian photographers
4.3 Balinese mythology 4.4 Cinema of Indonesia 4.4.1 Indonesian film directors 4.4.2 Indonesian films 4.4.3 Indonesian actors 4.4.4 Indonesian comedians
4.5 Indonesian clothing 4.6 Indonesian cuisine 4.7 Dances of Indonesia 4.8 Indonesian folklore 4.9 Languages of Indonesia 4.9.1 Indonesian language
4.10 Libraries in Indonesia 4.11 Indonesian encyclopedias 4.12 Indonesian literature 4.12.1 Old Sundanese Literature 4.12.2 Old Javanese Literature 4.12.3 Kakawin 4.12.4 Malay literature 4.12.5 Indonesian writers
4.13 Malay culture 4.14 Museums in Indonesia 4.15 Indonesian music 4.16 Music of... 4.16.1 Music composers 4.16.2 Music styles 4.16.3 Indonesian musical groups 4.16.4 Indonesian albums 4.16.4.1 Peterpan albums
4.16.5 Indonesian musicians
5 Economy of Indonesia 5.1 Indonesian businesspeople 5.2 Companies of Indonesia 5.2.1 Banks of Indonesia
5.3 Mines in Indonesia 5.4 Ports and harbours of Indonesia 5.5 Trade unions of Indonesia
6 Education in Indonesia 6.1 Schools in Indonesia 6.2 Universities and colleges in Indonesia
7 Environment of Indonesia 7.1 Natural history of Indonesia
8 Geography of Indonesia 8.1 Bays of Indonesia 8.2 Beaches of Indonesia 8.3 Headlands of Indonesia 8.4 Islands of Indonesia 8.4.1 Bali 8.4.1.1 Balinese language
9 Geology of Indonesia 9.1 Volcanoes of Bali 9.2 Java 9.3 Sulawesi 9.4 Sumatra 9.5 Lakes of Indonesia 9.6 Maps of Indonesia 9.7 Metropolitan areas of Indonesia 9.8 Mountain ranges of Indonesia 9.9 Mountains of Indonesia 9.10 National parks of Indonesia 9.10.1 Alas Purwo National Park
9.11 Parks in Indonesia 9.12 Rivers of Indonesia 9.13 Straits of Indonesia 9.14 Subdivisions of Indonesia 9.14.1 Regencies of Indonesia 9.14.1.1 Counties of Indonesia
9.14.2 Subdistricts of Indonesia
9.15 Towns in Indonesia 9.16 Volcanoes of Indonesia 9.16.1 Volcanic calderas of Indonesia 9.16.2 Volcanoes of Halmahera 9.16.3 Volcanoes of Java 9.16.4 Volcanoes of the Lesser Sunda Islands 9.16.4.1 Volcanoes of Sumbawa
9.16.5 Volcanoes of Sumatra
9.17 Indonesia geography stubs
10 Government of Indonesia 10.1 Foreign relations of Indonesia 10.1.1 Indonesian diplomats 10.1.1.1 Ambassadors of Indonesia
10.2 Presidents of Indonesia 10.3 Military of Indonesia 10.3.1 Indonesian generals 10.3.2 Special forces of Indonesia
11 Health in Indonesia 11.1 Healthcare in Indonesia 11.1.1 Hospitals in Indonesia
12 History of Indonesia 12.1 Pre-colonial Indonesia (before 1602) 12.1.1 Srivijaya (3rd century–1400) 12.1.2 Melayu Kingdom (4th century-13 century) 12.1.3 Sailendra (8th Century-832) 12.1.4 Kingdom of Mataram (752-1045)
12.2 Kediri (1045–1221) 12.3 Singhasari (1222–1292) 12.4 Majapahit (1293–1500) 12.5 Sultanate of Demak 12.6 Mataram Sultanate (1500s to 1700s) 12.7 The Dutch in Indonesia (1602–1945) 12.7.1 Anglo-Dutch Java War (1810–1811) 12.7.2 Padri War (1821–1837) 12.7.3 Java War (1825–1830) 12.7.4 Aceh War (1873–1904) 12.7.5 National Revival (1899–1942) 12.7.6 Japanese Invasion (1941–1942)
12.8 Japanese Occupation (1942–1945) 12.9 Independence (1945-1950) 12.9.1 1950s
12.10 1960s 12.10.1 Overthrow of Sukarno (1965–1966)
12.11 New Order (1965–1998) 12.12 Revolution of 1998 (1996–1998) 12.13 21st century 12.13.1 Terrorism in Indonesia 12.13.2 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake (2004–present)
12.14 Archaeological sites in Indonesia 12.15 Crime in Indonesia 12.15.1 Indonesian prisoners and detainees
12.16 Disasters in Indonesia 12.16.1 Earthquakes in Indonesia 12.16.1.1 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake
12.17 Elections in Indonesia 12.18 History of Java 12.19 History of Sumatra 12.20 Years in Indonesia
13 Indonesian law 13.1 Law enforcement in Indonesia
14 Indonesia-related lists 15 Indonesian media 15.1 Indonesian publishers 15.2 Newspapers published in Indonesia 15.3 Indonesian radio 15.3.1 Radio stations in Indonesia
15.4 Indonesian television 15.4.1 Television stations in Indonesia
15.5 Journalists
16 Indonesian people 16.1 Christian Indonesian Theologian 16.2 Indonesian people by ethnic or national origin 16.3 Indonesian monarchs 16.3.1 Sultans of Yogyakarta 16.3.2 Susuhuans of Surakarta
16.4 Indonesian people by occupation 16.4.1 Indonesian astronauts 16.4.2 Indonesian criminals 16.4.3 Indonesian singers 16.4.4 Indonesian television personalities
16.5 People of Indonesian descent 16.5.1 Indonesian Americans 16.5.2 Indonesian Australians 16.5.3 Indonesian Germans
16.6 Indonesian people stubs
17 Politics of Indonesia 17.1 Political parties in Indonesia 17.1.1 Youth wings of political parties in Indonesia
17.2 Indonesian politicians 17.2.1 Indonesian communists
18 Provinces of Indonesia 18.1 West Java
19 Religion in Indonesia 19.1 Javanese beliefs 19.2 Islam in Indonesia 19.2.1 Mosques in Indonesia
19.3 Places of worship in Indonesia 19.3.1 Buddhist temples in Indonesia 19.3.2 Hindu temples in Indonesia
19.4 Roman Catholic dioceses in Indonesia
20 Science and technology in Indonesia 20.1 Ships of Indonesia 20.1.1 Tall ships of Indonesia
21 Indonesian society 21.1 Ethnic groups in Indonesia 21.2 Organizations based in Indonesia 21.2.1 Youth organizations based in Indonesia 21.2.1.1 Scouting in Indonesia 21.2.1.2 Indonesian student societies
22 Sport in Indonesia 22.1 Football in Indonesia 22.1.1 Indonesian football clubs 22.1.2 Indonesian football competitions 22.1.3 Footballers in Indonesia by club 22.1.3.1 Semen Padang F.C. players
22.1.4 Indonesian footballers 22.1.5 Football venues in Indonesia
22.2 Golf in Indonesia 22.2.1 Golf tournaments in Indonesia
22.3 Indonesia at the Olympics 22.3.1 Olympic competitors for Indonesia
22.4 Sports governing bodies in Indonesia 22.5 Indonesian sportspeople 22.5.1 Indonesian archers 22.5.2 Indonesian badminton players 22.5.3 Indonesian boxers 22.5.4 Indonesian chess players 22.5.5 Indonesian poker players 22.5.6 Indonesian racecar drivers 22.5.7 Indonesian tennis players 22.5.8 Indonesian weightlifters
22.6 Sports venues in Indonesia
23 Tourism in Indonesia 23.1 Tourism Guide Books 23.2 Airlines of Indonesia 23.3 Airports in Indonesia 23.4 Visitor attractions in Indonesia 23.4.1 Gardens in Indonesia 23.4.1.1 Botanical gardens in Indonesia
23.4.2 Surf breaks in Indonesia 23.4.3 Theme parks in Indonesia 23.4.4 World Heritage Sites in Indonesia 23.4.5 Zoos in Indonesia
24 Transport in Indonesia 24.1 Bridges in Indonesia 24.2 Transport in Indonesia by city 24.3 Rail transport in Indonesia 24.3.1 Railway stations in Indonesia
24.4 Roads in Indonesia 24.5 Water transport in Indonesia
25 Indonesia stubs 26 See also
I have recently noticed that on pages using the "Politics of Indonesia" template, such as Politics of Indonesia and Cabinet of Indonesia, there is a huge blank area at the top of the page, with the article only starting after the template. This is true for Firefox and IE, and is independent of font size. It is not the case for other articles using templates based on the "politbox" template such as Politics of Canada (or for articles using the "History of Indonesia" template). Does anybody know enough about Wiki Markup Language to fix it, because it looks silly. Davidelit (Talk) 15:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I've been doing some work in the past 6 months on National parks of Indonesia articles (16 new articles/stubs, article expansions, locator maps, navbar, 5½ DYKs), and would much appreciate independent assessment of all articles in this category in terms of WikiProject importance and quality. This would help define future priorities for bringing some to GA/FA status. Many thanks. Elekhh ( talk) 01:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
This article has been prodded. Maurreen ( talk) 06:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Oh sleeping giant of Indonesian noticeboards - something to stir you all with enthusiasm no doubt:-
Satu Suro 02:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
User:DASHBot/Wikiprojects provides a list, updated daily, of unreferenced living people articles ( BLPs) related to your project. There has been a lot of discussion recently about deleting these unreferenced articles, so it is important that these articles are referenced.
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The sort of list that every project dreams of having - extensive embedded ext links, red links all carefully structured so as to confound this projects usual practice of questioning the processes of lists that have more WP:NOT criteria than leopards have spots:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_Indonesia
any thoughts? It is neither Afd or keep - but what the hell - maybe we need the remaining active editors to comment? Satu Suro 13:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I've listed this for a peer review. Just thought you would all like to know. :-) -- Merbabu ( talk) 14:19, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Indonesia to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Popular pages.
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Discussion is > here < -- Merbabu ( talk) 23:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Two historic images of Bandung from the Tropenmuseum collection have been nominated as Valued Picture Candidates. Feedback regarding the encylopaedic value of these images according to the Valued picture criteria can be provided here. -- Elekhh ( talk) 03:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
As the Indonesian project has items on its page that were 3 to 2 years old, I have taken the perogative to remove items that have been sitting there - including items placed by banned users. It is very close to a dormant project - due to the lack of regular editors - and lack of activity beyond a very few editors, please - if you can think of anything to either encourage regular help at this project or elicit help with project management - please leave your ideas here. Thanks Satu Suro 12:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Someone with skill has created the astonishing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2010_SMA_Negeri_1_Wringinanom_Events - bit like the East Bondi tram, or West Rottnest railway - notability out there in other words - will leave it open for view before suggesting deletion of category and related article Satu Suro 00:16, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
The WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons (UBLPs) aims to reduce the number of unreferenced biographical articles to under 30,000 by June 1, primarily by enabling WikiProjects to easily identify UBLP articles in their project's scope. There were over 52,000 unreferenced BLPs in January 2010 and this has been reduced to 32,665 as of May 16. A bot is now running daily to compile a list of all articles that are in both Category:All unreferenced BLPs and have been tagged by a WikiProject. Note that the bot does NOT place unreferenced tags or assign articles to projects - this has been done by others previously - it just compiles a list.
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Good day! This message is being cross-posted on WikiProjects which consider the article on Chinese Indonesians of moderately high importance. Earlier this year, I began a project to rewrite the article because there are glaring issues currently with the article that cannot be corrected with just a simple edit. The difficulty of this subject can be glimpsed at an archive of the article's talk page. I believe that I now have the sources necessary to complete the rest of my rewrite and am seeking help from other contributors in the following ways:
Though I do appreciate offers to help me in writing the article, I hope that you will find another way in which you can contribute at the moment. This is in the interest of avoiding conflict and hasten the writing process. Of course, in keeping with the policy on ownership, the article will be fully open to contribution once it has reached a mainspace-worthy version.
Please direct all comments regarding the project the special discussion page I have created. For other comments not directly related to the project, please use my talk page. Thank you. Arsonal ( talk) 20:54, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
As I have had too much involvement in trying to make it not being a classic candidate of an example of WP:NOT#DIR
could some one please review the current state of List_of_television_stations_in_Indonesia - my belief is it is a monster in need of either pruning or reducing in size or perhaps other issues as well. Any help would be appreciated Satu Suro 11:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Anybody interested to revive the Portal:Indonesia? I could suggest quite a few good images, articles and news events... -- Elekhh ( talk) 01:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Considering the absurd attempt to delete it some time back (dumb) - this is the best suggestion I have seen at this noticeboard for a while - the answer yes - however portal architecture has some very odd bits to negotiate - we might need more than one person to fix new changes Satu Suro 14:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Good ideas being putting forward here - please help anything that might lure or even encourage a new generation of editors prepared to assist or even comment if nothing else - here in the project - I am tired - very tired of seeing my sig predominately in this noticeboard archive - it would be great if we had new blood by any means - specially if the issus of maintaining this project are brought up - look at this: -
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It is worth considering that regionally Indonesia has the largest article count but not the largest un-maintained or unassessed collection of the three.
Anything that can possibly incite any interest in the portal - then the project - and then possible involvement is to be encouraged!!! Satu Suro 05:03, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Following the above discussion, to remove the last redlink, I've been bold and implemented option (b): a selected biography pool of articles which are now displayed randomly on the portal. The proposed selection criteria is: at least C-class quality rating and Mid-importance for WikiProject Indonesia. The pool should be expanded with articles which qualify under this criteria. I only found 9 articles to qualify and there is an apparent bias for politicians, so it would be good to have more quality biographies from the arts and sciences. Feedback welcome. -- Elekhh ( talk) 07:13, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Is Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Members/Member activities really needed? I just removed some users but aside from that it has only been edited on 3 occassions since May 2007. And it seems redundant when users can cite their interests next to their names on Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Members. Perhaps it should be deleted? DiiCinta ( talk) 17:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
I have reverted the change - this user has not made any attempt prior to this to communicate with the other members of the project and has been constantly deleting their talk page - as a new user I do not think such a process is valid yet - I would like to know what the agenda of a constantly deleting talk page as well as deleted user page. I think it would be beneficial to see more of what the user is up to before allowing or agreeing to spring cleaning with a vengeance. Satu Suro 00:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Most projects are encouraged to keep lists of users - however slight a contribution however long ago - as a means of being able to check on a project page rather than trawling through page histories - which can be quite time consuming - specially when user names are changed - as with some that were deleted- and also when some users are blocked or banned Satu Suro 10:45, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Is there anyone in Jakarta who is able to take a good photo of the National Library of Indonesia on Jl. Salemba Raya? This article was surprisingly non-existent until I created it today. The current photo is from a cellphone and of poor quality. Arsonal ( talk) 20:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
This is what we have been battling for years in this project (in relation to what WP:NOT is about) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_Indonesia - is it that we now give up that it exists like this? Satu Suro 00:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Category:Project-Class Indonesia articles
In a current attempt to cleanup new categories created in a flurry recently - I have come across quite a few that do not read well - I would be interested if anyone else agrees that they are not termed the way in normal english: -
Any comments on this would be appreciated - as we may have a few to change terms if there is consensus that the titles are not normal english Satu Suro 12:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
The English Wikinews project has published an article about the new censorship of Internet sites displaying pornographic material, and we would like to illustrate it with a screenshot of what Internet users in Indonesia now see when they try and connect to such sites. You can contact me on my English Wikipedia or English Wikinews talkpages, or on the article page. As Wikinews does work to a deadline, unlike Wikipedia, a swift response would be highly appreciated. Regards Alexandr Dmitri ( talk) 15:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Middle_Ages specifically states European context - but we have Borobudur http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3ABorobudur&action=historysubmit&diff=379003246&oldid=368008126 and surrounds popping up as a medieval site - any thoughts from fellow WP In editors on this tagging? Satu Suro 07:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Just a friendly notice. It appears that Badan Pusat Statistik (BPS) has begun rolling out census data. Current estimates stand at 237 million. You can get a more detailed look here (PDF). Stay tuned for more comprehensive data next July! — Arsonal ( talk + contribs)— 09:11, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
There is at present a fairly continual addition of a large number of football player stubs being added - that belong to the Indonesian project - they are ranging greatly in quality - and in most cases are also WP:BLP issue related incomplete stubs - there may well be a counter action - please keep http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Indonesia on your watch - as recent deletions have had no regular WP Indonesia project members making any opinions there - cheers Satu Suro 11:12, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
There are two articles with similar names: Si Jalak Harupat Stadium & Jalak Harupat Soreang Stadium. It seems like they're both the same stadium. If so, one of them should be deleted. And I would also like to request a photo of the stadium as well. Obviously for the article itself but also to put in the 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup article. Banana Fingers ( talk) 17:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Maybe you like to vote at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_September_9#Category:Transportation_in_Indonesia TruckCard ( talk) 01:45, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
I found "Bahasa" and "Pilih Bahasa" as options. What is Pilih Bahasa? WhisperToMe ( talk) 09:51, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
It could be intrepreted as chosen language - or language of choice - but hey there are other native speakers around - they will be here a bit later.... Satu Suro 11:26, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Would someone mind looking at Talk:Central_Jakarta? It's about listing corporations based in the municipality of Central Jakarta. In the meantime I'll see what I can find in English. WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi all,
In my first time editing Wiki I think I may have stepped on a few toes, so apologies. I would like to propose a section on walking in Torajaland (therefore the Tana Toraja Regency page?): it is thus far overlooked, and has some really beautiful,unknown(!) walks!. I may have unintentionally edited in a way that caused it to be deleted a week or so ago.
Where do you suggest a good starting point would be (understood, if you would prefer it left alone)? For your information walkopedia (a reference to which I edited into the article) is not a commercial website, selling anything, but an walking-centric information store much like wiki. My hope was that other similar sites woould follow suit, so that the walker has all the information they could want at their fingertips...
Suggest as an external link as opposed to section in the article's main body? Alternatively I could post on this forum another version of some wording for you to review?
Best,
Billjohnsonwalko ( talk) 13:36, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
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In a series of articles relating to Liga Indonesia - the lead sentence makes no pretence to adequate WP:MOS guidelines about WP:LEAD and simply state: -
Statistics of Liga Indonesia in season...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996–97_Liga_Indonesia_Premier_Division - is a classic example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Liga_Indonesia_Premier_Division - so basically wikipedia is holding close to mute/unleaded lists for the soccer enthusiast?
I wonder if the Wp Indonesia project is really a soccer scoreboard or not? Not a word of text - the average outsider - non Indonesian soccer enthusiast cannot see anything in the lead para or sentence about what on earth it is? Satu Suro 13:41, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
There have been a long debate about English names for football clubs in Indonesia, as you can see in my user talk page. This issue is actually interesting and might be important for the sake of consistency. As you know, there have been common improper acronym-ization of Indonesian football clubs, for instance: the full name of Jakarta-based club is Persatuan Sepakbola Indonesia Jakarta, which is often acronym-ized as Persija. Both names are fine, however, media and even the Football Association of Indonesia often carelessly transform the name into Persija Jakarta, which is improper considering that the city name "Jakarta" is used twice.
An alternative proper abbreviation is suggested for Persatuan Sepak Bola Indonesia Jakarta, such as: PSI Jakarta, PS Jakarta or even Jakarta FC (using the term football club (FC) as English-literation of persatuan sepakbola). However, the last altnerative (Jakarta FC) seems to be unnecessary, as name prefix for sport clubs may use the original language, as in AS Roma (Italian club) or TSV 1860 Muenchen (German club).
Please let me know if you have suggestion or proper references about this, since now many articles related to Indoensian football are inconsistent in names. Thanks! Guybrush1979 ( talk) 21:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi, the second paragraph of the lead section in this article, Medan, is in slightly broken English, it seems to conflict with itself and is unsourced. It involves the mayors of the city and some corruption scandals in the last five or so years. Does anyone here know the relevant sources to confirm and describe more clearly what went on? I wonder also if a corruption scandal is appropriate in the lead of such an article. Is the city absolutely rampant with corruption? ~ R. T. G 14:36, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Although there may be some undue weight to the cannabalism section and some confusion over words in the Indonesian langauges in the latter sections, this seems to be a Good Article. When you next review some articles you should review this one. Couldn't take a lot of work for GA. ~ R. T. G 15:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
The Indonesian soccer (football) additions to the Indonesian project now outweigh all other added items on the alex new article bot - I suggest that this project create and establish specific criteria to assist editors to understand why and how their machine like additions are within scope or not.
Is anyone prepared to assist with a policy (that will have to have bilingual text due to the limited english of some of the more enthusiastic editors) ??? We need something by which we can give guidelines -= as it is we get these amazing technicolour tables/lists with not a single WP:RS in sight.
I do not think that this project should be a free soccer table service - I do think some sanity needs to return to the incessant additions - with credible reliable sources - and a very clear sign that some items are simply not suitable on wp en Satu Suro 12:36, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Because the new articles are being created by non-native speakers with usage of Indonesian spelling of province names rather than the anglicised versions (Sumatera is repeated all the time), stadia as a plural of stadiums, and the lack of correct spelling in titles (lack of understanding of plurals etc), and the lack of identifying project tags makes the general maintenance of new soccer articles and blocks of multicoloured names and lists a somewhat tedious process. Satu Suro 00:02, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
It is my belief that the one liner bios that are being generated daily from Jakarta (probably the Liga Office?) are neither WP:N or capable of sustaining issues of WP:RS or general relevance to Wikipedia - and the silent non talk editor is probably an employee of Liga Indonesia - just loading and either ignoring messages or wanrings and deletions and just carrying on as if nothing happens.
I suggest either a demand for a talk - and if so far not a squeak - then possible blocking for loading non notable one liner BLPS Satu Suro 03:53, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
we now have some classics - that show little understanding of english usage - any suggestions of what to do? Satu Suro 15:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
For anybody interested, I created an overview of the current status of the 50 national parks of Indonesia articles here. The sortable table is a good tool to establish priorities for those who are interested to contribute. -- Elekhh ( talk) 06:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick ( talk) 20:24, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
is this really within scope? Hermes Palace Hotel Sumbuddi ( talk) 03:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Someone created Aula simfonia Jakarta here at the English Wikipedia in the Indonesian language, and someone else is trying to get it speedily deleted. If anyone is willing to translate it into English, that would be a good idea. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
It is now time that with the almost incessant addition of one liner stubs about either soccer players or teams - that a well seasoned soccer editor from the football project needs to review the steady stream. As the editors appear to have limited if little english capacity (the creeping in of indonesian words or usage, or the minimum text one liner stubs with WP:ONESOURCE notably the liga indonesia website - and no corroborating WP:RS) - the Indonesian project is faced with something the average editor has neither the time or interest to glean the rubbish from the appropriate.
As the editors (who already have been identified above) never respond to the queries at their talk pages - and they simply keep adding their unsourced material - it really shows the lack of a reasonable policy or approach to be able to sort things out. I suggest that responses from others would be worth putting here - as I have more or less quit trying to cope with the issue.
So here it is - the project has been flooded with more or less pointless soccer info - most of it falling into WP:NOT territory - and the editors remain unchecked. Something has to be done Satu Suro 12:57, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
for instance: -
what a complete waste of time and energy - on WP id - there is no policing or reversion of material on the grounds of lack of WP:N, WP:V or WP:RS - there is the replication the total article here in WP en - surely most of the articles in this project should be reduced in size and context to the actual verifiable material (which is very little) Satu Suro 13:16, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Ideally - some editors prepared to work via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Task_forces_and_sub-projects and have some effort at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Notability and a few others Satu Suro 16:02, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
See [8] Sumbuddi ( talk) 04:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Just wanted to drop a short note that I no longer will be able to regularly contribute to the maintenance of Portal:Indonesia in 2011, so if anybody is interested to keep it alive is welcome to contribute. Current maintenance tasks entail keeping the News section up to date, Picture of the week nominations, and Selected Article and DYK sections. The Selected biography section has been set up in the course of this year to random display one of a number of selections (see previous discussion above), so it does not need any maintenance, however the pool of articles could be expanded. An option would be to change the other sections to a similar system (now used by many portals) which would greatly reduce maintenance requirement.
As a background info for those not yet involved: Portal Indonesia has been set up in August 2006 and immediately promoted to Featured status. However, starting 2008 and throughout 2009 it hasn't been maintained and became increasingly outdated, and consequently lost its featured status. In 2010 some effort has been done to revive it, and at least eliminate the redlinks and outdated info. As a result the number of views started to increase again surpassing 3,000 per month and the page ranked top 500 of over 6,000 pages within the scope of the wikiproject. Its future is in your hands. -- Elekhh ( talk) 00:17, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
According to what several Balinese people told me, Galungan is not a holiday to celebrate the coming (and going) of Balinese gods to earth, but rather a visit by ancestors of the Balinese. Does anybody have a reference on this? Robert van der Hoff ( talk) 03:02, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
It seems fast towards one vast soccer table - where text and explanation go and are replaced by lists and tables. Satu Suro 23:04, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Indonesian villages Are not by any means notable simply because they exist (inherent notability (( ie if a village exists it deserves a stub?)) would see literally tens of thousands of pointless stubs) - two examples: -
neither article actually has any inherent notability - as there is neither WP:RS or sufficient WP:V to verify anything that makes these localities any different from the tens of thousand other villages of Indonesia - some editors have been creating stubs for localities that seem to have no clear notability - any comment on this matter would be appreciated - Satu Suro 04:24, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
please - if you know of context that can justify the stubs - please add material (ie WP:RS for WP:V to save the stubs - it is simply beyond any one editor in this project to actually expand the untended articles beyond their impoverished state - as for the thousands of flowers - that association was not inferred or intended in any way - thats your memory or association! - for this project to assume:- Generally speaking, I expect to find a listing for any place, however so humble - in all WP: AGF and WP:CIVILITY - you really have to be kidding (maybe you dont understand WP:ABOUT or WP:NOT )- there is no practical functional reason why the Indonesian project should have the name of every village in the country on wikipedia, a clear misreading and understanding of what this project (Indonesia project or Wikipedia in general) is about - it is not a gazzetteer Satu Suro 04:59, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Good luck in trying to delete these articles. I only started the major villages in Papua and Maluku. In fact I added more text to a few of them and sources like Galela and Tobelo. You gonna try delete does too?. They don't stand a chance of being deleted if they are verifiable settlements. Sorry. Satusaro if the regencies are a serious problem I suggest you highlight to me what exactly needs doing and for what provinces the sub stubs lie in. We both know that regencies should have decent articles.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC) Koor, Indonesia is perfectly acceptable and by labelling my valid stubs as "pointless sub stubs" you really ought to read what wiki means. I adde dmore content and sources in five minutes flat.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Point taken - a stub is started and nothing is really added to verify that - I did not start this discussion in relation to deleting anything - what I object to is finding stubs that have no inherent clues as to why they are started - as you have shown - they can be added to - there is never followup on this project unless something like this happens - (too few editors and very very little followup on the more outrageous errors) - so thank you for showing what you have started actually has menaing beyond what the original state of the stub reflected - I do think it is on the onus of the original editor to put even a single wp;rs or something to offer a potential to review the status of a stub - rather than have project members or others wondering why a particular one lined stub might exist Satu Suro 12:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Maybe the current status of Koor, Indonesia and a new article of mine on a Kecamatan, yes SatuSuro a Kecamatan!!! Sausapor are evidence that maybe more localised places in Indonesia are more notable than you might think. If we had an article on every Kecamatan on english wikipedia like Sausapor I doubt you'd be complaining. What we don't want is this. Indonesian, Vietnam, Burma, Cambodia and Laos are my area of focus anyway so I'll try to make my work on Indonesia ongoing and improve quality. But the biggest obstacle is time. I work on African topics, Latin American topics even expanding US/UK village and European architecture so there is only so much time I have to contribute to Indonesian articles. I really wish you would all follow my example and get writing instead of moaning... If we want quality then deleting every short/undeveloped article in sight is unlikely going to work as they are likely to be recreated equally as badly at some point. If we want quality we have to be prepared to research articles and spend the time writing. Otherwise don't complain about the lacking additions of others.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
There's no reason why eventually we couldn't have a half decent article on every kelurahan of Indonesia if sources are apparent. Of course sourcing is the main obstacle but from what I've seen so far information can be gathered to start at least some of the sub districts as I've demonstrated with Sausapor, Bontobahari, Pitumpanua, Masamba and Larompong. Priority though is the regencies of Indonesia. There's no excuse for not having articles on them initially, they should be expanded/started asap. Thanks you've inspired me to generate tons of articles on Indonesian places...♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Has found this intriguing issue - I have never seen Times atlas used as a reason to delete an article that has existed for 3 years - please add your comments - those who have this on your watch: - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunaka cheers Satu Suro 00:04, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
LOL @ "uncited bollocks". Yeah its a hoax, I've speedied it but no admin has deleted yet.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
I notice red link lists of kecamatan are appearing in regency (and other?) articles. Looks good. Could we get the sources cited? It is presumably coming from somewhere and not the editor's head. many thanks -- Merbabu ( talk) 10:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Western New Guinea redirects to West Papua (region), but we have Category:Western New Guinea and several similarly named subcategories. We should either rename the article to Western New Guinea, or move the categories to Category:West Papua (region). I think the article move would be better. – Moondyne 02:13, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
So what to do? -- Merbabu ( talk) 08:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC)