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RFC of interest, yet to be closed, which may affect hockey bio articles. GoodDay ( talk) 19:05, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi guys! Some of you may remember me from about 15 years ago as I was quite active way back when. I ended up taking an extended break away from wikipedia as a fight over diacritcs left a foul taste in my mouth. I've become active once again, except more along the lines of geography (fewer squabbles). Since I've been 'away', I hadn't paid much attention to the MoS, so lately I've been playing catchup. Just curious, the MoS says use most common in reliable English sources for modified letters and the like. So, if that's the case, why do we have articles like Marián Šťastný? No, I have no desire to start that fight again, I'm just curious why the MoS isn't followed here (and everywhere else on wikipedia). Thoughts? Anywho, now that I got that off my chest, I wanna help out a bit here. Any areas that need some work? Masterhatch ( talk) 22:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
There, getting that off my chest. Anyway, if I were to pick a hockey area into which to dive, I'd go for Hockey Mountain still. Heck, the table hasn't been properly upgraded in a couple years, never mind the info. If I had the focus to do more than occasional gnome work, I'd be doing just that. (And great to see you back! Not too many of us real oldtimers left ...) Ravenswing 04:12, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Wow, that is quite the mountain! Masterhatch ( talk) 10:01, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
While going through some WHA team player lists, I found some vandalism from an ip address and users that seem all connected from about 3 years ago. He kept adding Rene Burger and Joseph Nappo to articles. Sad thing is, most edits went by with no one noticing. I've started reverting, but i'm on my cell phone in an area with crappy service and its taking forever to load pages. Can i get a bit of help? IP User contributions for 204.28.31.3 I've already reverted all the edits for the 2 user accounts, user rene burger and jmnappo. I originally found it at List of Chicago Cougars players. I'll keep trudging along. Masterhatch ( talk) 23:38, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
There's another Rene Burger here List of Chicago Blackhawks draft picks. He replaced Kevin Griffen back in 2018. My phone is acting funny and i cant revert it Masterhatch ( talk) 00:03, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
There's a few good edits from that ip. I figure a parent made the occasional edit from the family computer and the kid came along and thought it would be neat to insert himself here and there. Masterhatch ( talk) 13:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
An IP (184.146.38.43) has been making un-sourced edits concerning captains & alternate captains on past/current/future team season articles. GoodDay ( talk) 19:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
While I agree most people still say Stanley Cup Finals, it's officially Stanley Cup Final and it seems dropping the s is becoming more and more common (at least here in Canadian media). Is there a point where we consider dropping the s in our article titles? I'm not suggesting we move it now, but I want to bring it up. On that talk page, there was an on going conversation that lasted years with no conclusion. I don't know if this topic has been brought up here before as there are way too many archives to sift through. Thoughts? Masterhatch ( talk) 13:36, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
The only thing I would say, is that not much has changed about this since the previous two conversations in 2008 and 2016. Deadman137 ( talk) 22:30, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Can I get some eyes on Theoren Fleury? There's a "new' user using a sourced opinon as fact in the lead and twitter as fact . I reverted the initial edits but he reverted mine. I started a discussion on the talk page. Instead of an edit war, I figure its best to have another set of eyes on it. Thanks! Masterhatch ( talk) 18:59, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Update: I've requested semi-protection for the article-in-question. PS- Yes I know, it rhymes. GoodDay ( talk) 19:27, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Anybody have any opinions on this drive-by tag bombing on every section to the oldest North American minor league team page? I agree it could use some more, but it is not unsourced and over-templating looks a bit much to me. Yosemiter ( talk) 19:54, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Recent edits to Sudbury Wolves by an IP address appear to be an attempt to update the team's affiliates, but no edit summary was provided and the edits broke the infobox template and removed citations. Does anyone have time to look into this? Sorry, I am busy for a while. Flibirigit ( talk) 16:30, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
I think that this Sudbury Star article might be relevant if anyone has time today. Thanks. Flibirigit ( talk) 17:44, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
It's been established that the four divisions from 2013 on are back this season, after the one year hiatus. What we don't know is if the playoff format (top three in each division plus 2 wild cards in each conference) will return. I plan on creating the four divisional standings now and we'll figure out what to do with conference (and wild card) standings later. Thoughts? – Piranha249 (Discuss with me) 15:11, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new here. I was wondering if someone could add the team schedules for the 2021-22 Florida Panthers and 2021-22 Minnesota Wild. Some of the teams already have schedules on their team page like the 2021-22 Seattle Krakens and Detroit Red Wings, but others like Florida and Minnesota don't. Would someone be able to add these? I was referred from the general discussion page to this one. I don't have the experience or background to add it myself otherwise I would. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xacver ( talk • contribs) 23:16, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Someone please take a look at edits made by Mrohlewis on K'Andre Miller and Brandon Prust pages. The editor clearly does not understand that not everything is supposed to be includedand goes against MOS. – Sabbatino ( talk) 03:12, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
I’d like to re-open this discussion. I apologize in advance for not being sure how to link to a talk page. Never had to do it. I note that Mrohlewis has been going around NHL-related articles changing the word "black" to "Black," sometimes with unexpected results (capitalizing "Blackout" in reference to TV policies, I assume due to a search-and-replace mistake). The edit is, of course, in reference to racial issues. There’s been a discussion on the National Hockey League talk page where the consensus seemed to be not to make the change. I just got a ping from the Black players in ice hockey talk page because he raised the same issue there. I propose that instead of trying to raise the issue multiple times, likely with a different audience each time, that it would be a more appropriate topic for this forum, which will have a broader readership and is a better place to discuss it than raising it on a more narrowly-focused page that is less likely to represent a consensus. 1995hoo ( talk) 21:53, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
FWIW - I find part of Mrohlewis' statement on his main page, could be construed as a promise to do Advocate or SPA editing. GoodDay ( talk) 15:37, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps a minor detail, but maybe we should put the word "an" before alternate captain, in the bios of alternate captains. Since each team has at least two per season. GoodDay ( talk) 20:52, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Would anyone mind keeping an eye out for a sock puppet that edits articles related to the Anaheim Ducks (or sports in general)? The editor started out as Cool a123 and was blocked back in December. Since then, they have been evading their block by using various accounts and IP's coming from southern California (ex. 2603:8000:401:0:0:0:0:0/48 and 172.119.121.249). I haven't had any success in stopping them, so I'm hoping this could get some more attention from any of the project members. Yowashi ( talk) 22:46, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
The Big Red edit message needs to be updated at the List of NHL statistical leaders article, to remind editors & IPs not to do updates during the 2021-22 season. GoodDay ( talk) 02:27, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Came across Stay-at-home defenceman tonight - it's been tagged for ten years for sourcing (one single citation specific to one example, not even for the definition) and as it "may contain indiscriminate, excessive, or irrelevant examples", which also seems the case. Long lists of current and former stay-at-home defencemen, entirely subjective and most likely original research. Is the article in its current state even useful? It seems more like a list than an article. Thought I would see if someone wanted to improve it rather than AFD'ing it . Echoedmyron ( talk) 00:10, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
A similar discussion should be had about Power forward (ice hockey) and Two-way forward. It seems those could be merged into the currently single paragraph Forward (ice hockey). -- 98.21.48.228 ( talk) 14:32, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I was away from wikipedia for almost 15 years. I was VERY active way back when. One of the things i remember was that we excluded pre season stats of any kind. I now see articles with pre season win loss records. Imho, that isn't notable enough for wikipedia. Am I wrong? Cuz I'd love to go around deleting it all. Masterhatch ( talk) 23:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
I think they should be kept. It’s part of the schedule and is included in other major sports. KD0710 ( talk) 19:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
I agree that having pre-season game logs gives undue weight to the pre-season game results, and thus feel they are not necessary for Wikipedia articles. isaacl ( talk) 15:45, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Has anyone watched any of the Islanders' games this season? Are there anybody serving as alternate captains for them, this season? GoodDay ( talk) 15:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Just a thought. Seeing as the NHL 'more then ever' has a high percentage of non-American & non-Canadian players. Perhaps, it's time we replace Canadian provinces/territories & American states/territories, with Canada & United States as birthplaces. GoodDay ( talk) 16:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Concerning the Mighty Duck's Steve Rucchin, the Devils' Scott Stevens, the Islanders' Michael Peca, the Rangers' Mark Messier, the Blues' Al MacInnis & the Thrashers' Shawn McEachern. All these players either signed with another team 'or' retired, just before the 2005–06 NHL season began. We've an inconsistency across NHL articles (team, roster & bios) as to whether these players were still captains of their respective teams during the lock-out 2004–05 NHL season. In the bios, we say they're not. In the 2004-05 team rosters, we say yes & in the bio articles, we say no. I'm willing to make the necessary changes to establish a consensus, if we can decide on the 'yes/no' question. GoodDay ( talk) 17:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Shouldn't the project banner have a switch for Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport/Ice hockey task force ?
{{ice hockey|women=y}}
for instance.
-- 64.229.90.53 ( talk) 04:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Am I wrong or is this just an exhibition tourny? Does it pass notability for wikipedia and ice hockey? 2021–22 Anaheim Ducks season#Schedule and results If not, should it (and other tournaments like it) be removed [2] Masterhatch ( talk) 00:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
Be advised that an editor has move Igor Shestyorkin to "Igor Shesterkin" which I have already reverted. Only in North America he is called like that. IIHF and other sources still refer to him as "Shestyorkin". – Sabbatino ( talk) 15:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
The question I would ask is: Why is the player notable? Is he notable because he plays hockey, or is he notable because he plays in the NHL? It makes a difference because the NHL allows the player to spell his name as he wishes and doesn't necessarily follow the inflexible IIHF guidelines. I note, for example, that Sergei Fedorov's article spells his name as I just spelled it (and as he spelled it during his NHL career), whereas the IIHF would require "Fyodorov." The same applies to Alexander Semin; the IIHF would spell his name "Syomin." Those are two examples that come readily to mind, though I'm sure there are others. I seem to recall the IIHF imposed rules after the unfortunate case involving Semyon Varlamov. When the Capitals drafted him, his first name was very unfortunately transliterated as "Semen." The Caps' fan forum wouldn't even let you use his name; it censored it to "Shipsmen Varlamov" because the word "Semen" was a "forbidden word." Later, the media started spelling it "Simeon"; Varlamov objected to that because it leads to mispronunciation as three syllables instead of two (though I don't think most North American media seem to appreciate the distinction). Either way, it seems to me that because the NHL will honor a player's preference on how his name is spelled, subject to the reasonable proviso that he not change it mid-season due to the administrative hassles that causes, Wikipedia should ask whether the primary reason the player is notable is because of his play in the NHL. If so, then it seems reasonable to follow the player's preference, not the IIHF's bureaucracy. (With that said, Sabbatino certainly has a point about names being butchered. Canadians, especially in-arena announcers at international events, seem to have a penchant for that sort of thing (maybe influenced by Don Cherry?), such as pronouncing "Makarov" like "MACK-er-ov" (stress on the first syllable, like a Mack truck). 1995hoo ( talk) 15:30, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
I was wondering what people's opinions were on potentially adding the overall record, and the breakdown of record to the game log header? Here is an example with the overall record in the game log header: San Jose. Here is an example without the record in the header: Vegas. I feel like it would be beneficial to have a running record at the top that could service as another check to confirm that the records at the top of each page are accurate and up to date. GoWarriors151718 ( talk) 21:54, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
But since GoodDay ( talk · contribs) above already mentioned it. What about the standings in the infobox (place in division/conference)? I see no harm in updating them throughout the season as we do the same for the stats. He removed them from the Sharks page and we had a little discussion but now i see that there is already a discussion about the season article(s) right now i might as well chip in. Kante4 ( talk) 21:08, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
I would recommend that we wait until the end of the regular season, before adding a team's position in its Conference & Division. Would save a lot of headaches, updating 32 team season infoboxes, when/if they go up, down or stand pat . GoodDay ( talk) 18:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
We have a troublesome editor at Template:Toronto Maple Leafs roster, who's determined to edit-war to over-source the template. GoodDay ( talk) 23:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Seems to also like to use rude edit summaries, when 'deleting' his talkpage, fwiw. GoodDay ( talk) 02:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
Nikkimaria ( talk · contribs) has started questioning the formation in the first sentence of the lead on teams' pages. Some IP came and changed the formation for every NHL team, which I reverted. Nikkimaria then wrote at User talk:Sabbatino#MOS + consensus (in the past the editor did not even care that this formation was changed by some IP and then restored by either me or Yosemiter ( talk · contribs)). I already told the editor that this formation has been used for many years and that it is all according to MOS, but the editor still questions it. I do remember that we had more than one discussion about this (either here or somewhere else), but I cannot find them at this time. Could anyone help in dealing with this? – Sabbatino ( talk) 16:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Do not unnecessarily make a reader chase linksMany readers would be content just knowing the country, which is a minimal addition.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
If you're going to make such changes? do it for all teams, current & former. Otherwise, don't make changes to any of them. Above all, consistency should be maintained. GoodDay ( talk) 15:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
Nikkimaria ( talk · contribs) has once again re-added "Canada" to the first sentence at Winnipeg Jets. I cannot see any consensus here. – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Nikkimaria: I don't care if you add Canada and the United States or don't. Just be consistent about it, with all 32 team articles. GoodDay ( talk) 20:23, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Would this be worth of an article? Blackhawks GM just stepped down because of that. BleuDXXXIV ( talk) 18:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
... and then copy+pasted the description of the scandal from the Chicago Blackhawks Wikipedia page...– please read WP:COPYWITHIN. – Sabbatino ( talk) 17:05, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
@ 3 Löwi: if you've a problem with how Komarov's birthplace is shown in his infobox? then bring that concern here. Don't attempt to edit war your change into the article. GoodDay ( talk) 21:13, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
If a player is born in one country, but plays for another country in international tournaments. Which flag do we use in the NHL team roster entry. Classic example: Alexandar Georgiev in the New York Rangers roster. -- GoodDay ( talk) 17:07, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Should Hurricanes Entertainment Team be nominated for deletion? I have already placed a PROD notice there, which was removed. The page currently looks like a promotion but I seem to remember that such pages should not be created. – Sabbatino ( talk) 11:46, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Francis Nelson was recently moved to Francis Nelson (Canadian ice hockey) by User:Tassedethe. This move seems to contradict Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ice hockey) which states birth year should be used. Nationality is not mentioned anywhere in the naming conventions. Any thoughts? Flibirigit ( talk) 16:28, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Per previous discussions on this page, I've nominated Template:Infobox National Hockey League coach for merging, you can join the discussion here. Connormah ( talk) 16:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
All I want to know is 'who' (in the real world) stopped calling them coach & began calling them head coach (which thankfully, we aren't doing in the infoboxes) & 'when' did it begin. PS - Same with, when did the title team president change to president of hockey operations. GoodDay ( talk) 21:24, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Does anybody know the technique for positioning images into horizontal rows (i.e left to right) for the trophy articles? Calder Memorial Trophy & Conn Smythe Trophy are example of where the images require this. Having multiple player images in vertical style (top to bottom), creates a huge white space on the left half of the article & a longer scrolling down for readers, until you get the list of trophy winners section. GoodDay ( talk) 15:43, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
On my larger monitor at home, it does look better down the side. It doesn't bother me either way and if it was reversed, i wouldnt care. Masterhatch ( talk) 22:29, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
It strikes me as odd that a player who is a Second Team All-American is considered notable. This seems to me like an extremely generous interpretation of notability. It goes much farther than the criteria for WP:NCOLLATH especially with respect to awards which provides that a player must "[h]ave won a national award (such as those listed in Template:College Football Awards or the equivalent in another sport), or established a major NCAA Division I record." It also goes farther than the general notability guideline in that All-American Second Team membership does not get "significant coverage" and rarely gets any mention in secondary sources other than those which are listing all of that year's honorees. Even narrowing the scope to First Team All-American membership would be broader than WP:NCOLLATH and broader than the criteria applied to specific sports. Let me know what you think. -- Dennis C. Abrams ( talk) 02:05, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Looks like someone just copy / pasted Ted Hargreaves' stats from somewhere without doing a proper table. I'm short on time right now. If I can get to it later, I'll try. But if someone has time before I can get to it, great! Masterhatch ( talk) 18:13, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
I've been mulling for a while on the idea of introducing a covid icon for player rosters, for since the NHL has introduced covid protocols it differentiates from the normal injured icon that indicates injured reserve. It also helps explain the larger rosters around the league when a team is hit by covid.
Wondering on users thoughts agree/disagree or if it's no big deal either way, D/W will undo if no consensus.
Triggerbit ( talk) 14:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Need some help at IIHF World Women's Championship article, for the 2022 entry. GoodDay ( talk) 16:00, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Just noting the changing & passage of time. Slowly, the Soviet-born, Yugoslav-born & Czechoslovakian-born NHL players are being phased out, via retirement. GoodDay ( talk) 17:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
We've no articles for 2021 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships – Division I, 2021 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships – Division II, 2021 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships – Division III & 2009 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships – Division III. Perhaps we should have articles (maybe we did, at one time) for those, even though the tournaments hadn't occurred. Either that, or we delete 2022 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships – Division III, which was also entirely cancelled. GoodDay ( talk) 22:27, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
'Tis done. All are redirected to their respective IIHF World U20 Championship Division articles. GoodDay ( talk) 16:46, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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RFC of interest, yet to be closed, which may affect hockey bio articles. GoodDay ( talk) 19:05, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi guys! Some of you may remember me from about 15 years ago as I was quite active way back when. I ended up taking an extended break away from wikipedia as a fight over diacritcs left a foul taste in my mouth. I've become active once again, except more along the lines of geography (fewer squabbles). Since I've been 'away', I hadn't paid much attention to the MoS, so lately I've been playing catchup. Just curious, the MoS says use most common in reliable English sources for modified letters and the like. So, if that's the case, why do we have articles like Marián Šťastný? No, I have no desire to start that fight again, I'm just curious why the MoS isn't followed here (and everywhere else on wikipedia). Thoughts? Anywho, now that I got that off my chest, I wanna help out a bit here. Any areas that need some work? Masterhatch ( talk) 22:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
There, getting that off my chest. Anyway, if I were to pick a hockey area into which to dive, I'd go for Hockey Mountain still. Heck, the table hasn't been properly upgraded in a couple years, never mind the info. If I had the focus to do more than occasional gnome work, I'd be doing just that. (And great to see you back! Not too many of us real oldtimers left ...) Ravenswing 04:12, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Wow, that is quite the mountain! Masterhatch ( talk) 10:01, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
While going through some WHA team player lists, I found some vandalism from an ip address and users that seem all connected from about 3 years ago. He kept adding Rene Burger and Joseph Nappo to articles. Sad thing is, most edits went by with no one noticing. I've started reverting, but i'm on my cell phone in an area with crappy service and its taking forever to load pages. Can i get a bit of help? IP User contributions for 204.28.31.3 I've already reverted all the edits for the 2 user accounts, user rene burger and jmnappo. I originally found it at List of Chicago Cougars players. I'll keep trudging along. Masterhatch ( talk) 23:38, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
There's another Rene Burger here List of Chicago Blackhawks draft picks. He replaced Kevin Griffen back in 2018. My phone is acting funny and i cant revert it Masterhatch ( talk) 00:03, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
There's a few good edits from that ip. I figure a parent made the occasional edit from the family computer and the kid came along and thought it would be neat to insert himself here and there. Masterhatch ( talk) 13:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
An IP (184.146.38.43) has been making un-sourced edits concerning captains & alternate captains on past/current/future team season articles. GoodDay ( talk) 19:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
While I agree most people still say Stanley Cup Finals, it's officially Stanley Cup Final and it seems dropping the s is becoming more and more common (at least here in Canadian media). Is there a point where we consider dropping the s in our article titles? I'm not suggesting we move it now, but I want to bring it up. On that talk page, there was an on going conversation that lasted years with no conclusion. I don't know if this topic has been brought up here before as there are way too many archives to sift through. Thoughts? Masterhatch ( talk) 13:36, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
The only thing I would say, is that not much has changed about this since the previous two conversations in 2008 and 2016. Deadman137 ( talk) 22:30, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Can I get some eyes on Theoren Fleury? There's a "new' user using a sourced opinon as fact in the lead and twitter as fact . I reverted the initial edits but he reverted mine. I started a discussion on the talk page. Instead of an edit war, I figure its best to have another set of eyes on it. Thanks! Masterhatch ( talk) 18:59, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Update: I've requested semi-protection for the article-in-question. PS- Yes I know, it rhymes. GoodDay ( talk) 19:27, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Anybody have any opinions on this drive-by tag bombing on every section to the oldest North American minor league team page? I agree it could use some more, but it is not unsourced and over-templating looks a bit much to me. Yosemiter ( talk) 19:54, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Recent edits to Sudbury Wolves by an IP address appear to be an attempt to update the team's affiliates, but no edit summary was provided and the edits broke the infobox template and removed citations. Does anyone have time to look into this? Sorry, I am busy for a while. Flibirigit ( talk) 16:30, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
I think that this Sudbury Star article might be relevant if anyone has time today. Thanks. Flibirigit ( talk) 17:44, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
It's been established that the four divisions from 2013 on are back this season, after the one year hiatus. What we don't know is if the playoff format (top three in each division plus 2 wild cards in each conference) will return. I plan on creating the four divisional standings now and we'll figure out what to do with conference (and wild card) standings later. Thoughts? – Piranha249 (Discuss with me) 15:11, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new here. I was wondering if someone could add the team schedules for the 2021-22 Florida Panthers and 2021-22 Minnesota Wild. Some of the teams already have schedules on their team page like the 2021-22 Seattle Krakens and Detroit Red Wings, but others like Florida and Minnesota don't. Would someone be able to add these? I was referred from the general discussion page to this one. I don't have the experience or background to add it myself otherwise I would. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xacver ( talk • contribs) 23:16, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Someone please take a look at edits made by Mrohlewis on K'Andre Miller and Brandon Prust pages. The editor clearly does not understand that not everything is supposed to be includedand goes against MOS. – Sabbatino ( talk) 03:12, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
I’d like to re-open this discussion. I apologize in advance for not being sure how to link to a talk page. Never had to do it. I note that Mrohlewis has been going around NHL-related articles changing the word "black" to "Black," sometimes with unexpected results (capitalizing "Blackout" in reference to TV policies, I assume due to a search-and-replace mistake). The edit is, of course, in reference to racial issues. There’s been a discussion on the National Hockey League talk page where the consensus seemed to be not to make the change. I just got a ping from the Black players in ice hockey talk page because he raised the same issue there. I propose that instead of trying to raise the issue multiple times, likely with a different audience each time, that it would be a more appropriate topic for this forum, which will have a broader readership and is a better place to discuss it than raising it on a more narrowly-focused page that is less likely to represent a consensus. 1995hoo ( talk) 21:53, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
FWIW - I find part of Mrohlewis' statement on his main page, could be construed as a promise to do Advocate or SPA editing. GoodDay ( talk) 15:37, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps a minor detail, but maybe we should put the word "an" before alternate captain, in the bios of alternate captains. Since each team has at least two per season. GoodDay ( talk) 20:52, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Would anyone mind keeping an eye out for a sock puppet that edits articles related to the Anaheim Ducks (or sports in general)? The editor started out as Cool a123 and was blocked back in December. Since then, they have been evading their block by using various accounts and IP's coming from southern California (ex. 2603:8000:401:0:0:0:0:0/48 and 172.119.121.249). I haven't had any success in stopping them, so I'm hoping this could get some more attention from any of the project members. Yowashi ( talk) 22:46, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
The Big Red edit message needs to be updated at the List of NHL statistical leaders article, to remind editors & IPs not to do updates during the 2021-22 season. GoodDay ( talk) 02:27, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Came across Stay-at-home defenceman tonight - it's been tagged for ten years for sourcing (one single citation specific to one example, not even for the definition) and as it "may contain indiscriminate, excessive, or irrelevant examples", which also seems the case. Long lists of current and former stay-at-home defencemen, entirely subjective and most likely original research. Is the article in its current state even useful? It seems more like a list than an article. Thought I would see if someone wanted to improve it rather than AFD'ing it . Echoedmyron ( talk) 00:10, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
A similar discussion should be had about Power forward (ice hockey) and Two-way forward. It seems those could be merged into the currently single paragraph Forward (ice hockey). -- 98.21.48.228 ( talk) 14:32, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I was away from wikipedia for almost 15 years. I was VERY active way back when. One of the things i remember was that we excluded pre season stats of any kind. I now see articles with pre season win loss records. Imho, that isn't notable enough for wikipedia. Am I wrong? Cuz I'd love to go around deleting it all. Masterhatch ( talk) 23:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
I think they should be kept. It’s part of the schedule and is included in other major sports. KD0710 ( talk) 19:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
I agree that having pre-season game logs gives undue weight to the pre-season game results, and thus feel they are not necessary for Wikipedia articles. isaacl ( talk) 15:45, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Has anyone watched any of the Islanders' games this season? Are there anybody serving as alternate captains for them, this season? GoodDay ( talk) 15:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Just a thought. Seeing as the NHL 'more then ever' has a high percentage of non-American & non-Canadian players. Perhaps, it's time we replace Canadian provinces/territories & American states/territories, with Canada & United States as birthplaces. GoodDay ( talk) 16:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Concerning the Mighty Duck's Steve Rucchin, the Devils' Scott Stevens, the Islanders' Michael Peca, the Rangers' Mark Messier, the Blues' Al MacInnis & the Thrashers' Shawn McEachern. All these players either signed with another team 'or' retired, just before the 2005–06 NHL season began. We've an inconsistency across NHL articles (team, roster & bios) as to whether these players were still captains of their respective teams during the lock-out 2004–05 NHL season. In the bios, we say they're not. In the 2004-05 team rosters, we say yes & in the bio articles, we say no. I'm willing to make the necessary changes to establish a consensus, if we can decide on the 'yes/no' question. GoodDay ( talk) 17:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Shouldn't the project banner have a switch for Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport/Ice hockey task force ?
{{ice hockey|women=y}}
for instance.
-- 64.229.90.53 ( talk) 04:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Am I wrong or is this just an exhibition tourny? Does it pass notability for wikipedia and ice hockey? 2021–22 Anaheim Ducks season#Schedule and results If not, should it (and other tournaments like it) be removed [2] Masterhatch ( talk) 00:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
Be advised that an editor has move Igor Shestyorkin to "Igor Shesterkin" which I have already reverted. Only in North America he is called like that. IIHF and other sources still refer to him as "Shestyorkin". – Sabbatino ( talk) 15:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
The question I would ask is: Why is the player notable? Is he notable because he plays hockey, or is he notable because he plays in the NHL? It makes a difference because the NHL allows the player to spell his name as he wishes and doesn't necessarily follow the inflexible IIHF guidelines. I note, for example, that Sergei Fedorov's article spells his name as I just spelled it (and as he spelled it during his NHL career), whereas the IIHF would require "Fyodorov." The same applies to Alexander Semin; the IIHF would spell his name "Syomin." Those are two examples that come readily to mind, though I'm sure there are others. I seem to recall the IIHF imposed rules after the unfortunate case involving Semyon Varlamov. When the Capitals drafted him, his first name was very unfortunately transliterated as "Semen." The Caps' fan forum wouldn't even let you use his name; it censored it to "Shipsmen Varlamov" because the word "Semen" was a "forbidden word." Later, the media started spelling it "Simeon"; Varlamov objected to that because it leads to mispronunciation as three syllables instead of two (though I don't think most North American media seem to appreciate the distinction). Either way, it seems to me that because the NHL will honor a player's preference on how his name is spelled, subject to the reasonable proviso that he not change it mid-season due to the administrative hassles that causes, Wikipedia should ask whether the primary reason the player is notable is because of his play in the NHL. If so, then it seems reasonable to follow the player's preference, not the IIHF's bureaucracy. (With that said, Sabbatino certainly has a point about names being butchered. Canadians, especially in-arena announcers at international events, seem to have a penchant for that sort of thing (maybe influenced by Don Cherry?), such as pronouncing "Makarov" like "MACK-er-ov" (stress on the first syllable, like a Mack truck). 1995hoo ( talk) 15:30, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
I was wondering what people's opinions were on potentially adding the overall record, and the breakdown of record to the game log header? Here is an example with the overall record in the game log header: San Jose. Here is an example without the record in the header: Vegas. I feel like it would be beneficial to have a running record at the top that could service as another check to confirm that the records at the top of each page are accurate and up to date. GoWarriors151718 ( talk) 21:54, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
But since GoodDay ( talk · contribs) above already mentioned it. What about the standings in the infobox (place in division/conference)? I see no harm in updating them throughout the season as we do the same for the stats. He removed them from the Sharks page and we had a little discussion but now i see that there is already a discussion about the season article(s) right now i might as well chip in. Kante4 ( talk) 21:08, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
I would recommend that we wait until the end of the regular season, before adding a team's position in its Conference & Division. Would save a lot of headaches, updating 32 team season infoboxes, when/if they go up, down or stand pat . GoodDay ( talk) 18:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
We have a troublesome editor at Template:Toronto Maple Leafs roster, who's determined to edit-war to over-source the template. GoodDay ( talk) 23:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Seems to also like to use rude edit summaries, when 'deleting' his talkpage, fwiw. GoodDay ( talk) 02:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
Nikkimaria ( talk · contribs) has started questioning the formation in the first sentence of the lead on teams' pages. Some IP came and changed the formation for every NHL team, which I reverted. Nikkimaria then wrote at User talk:Sabbatino#MOS + consensus (in the past the editor did not even care that this formation was changed by some IP and then restored by either me or Yosemiter ( talk · contribs)). I already told the editor that this formation has been used for many years and that it is all according to MOS, but the editor still questions it. I do remember that we had more than one discussion about this (either here or somewhere else), but I cannot find them at this time. Could anyone help in dealing with this? – Sabbatino ( talk) 16:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Do not unnecessarily make a reader chase linksMany readers would be content just knowing the country, which is a minimal addition.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
If you're going to make such changes? do it for all teams, current & former. Otherwise, don't make changes to any of them. Above all, consistency should be maintained. GoodDay ( talk) 15:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
Nikkimaria ( talk · contribs) has once again re-added "Canada" to the first sentence at Winnipeg Jets. I cannot see any consensus here. – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Nikkimaria: I don't care if you add Canada and the United States or don't. Just be consistent about it, with all 32 team articles. GoodDay ( talk) 20:23, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Would this be worth of an article? Blackhawks GM just stepped down because of that. BleuDXXXIV ( talk) 18:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
... and then copy+pasted the description of the scandal from the Chicago Blackhawks Wikipedia page...– please read WP:COPYWITHIN. – Sabbatino ( talk) 17:05, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
@ 3 Löwi: if you've a problem with how Komarov's birthplace is shown in his infobox? then bring that concern here. Don't attempt to edit war your change into the article. GoodDay ( talk) 21:13, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
If a player is born in one country, but plays for another country in international tournaments. Which flag do we use in the NHL team roster entry. Classic example: Alexandar Georgiev in the New York Rangers roster. -- GoodDay ( talk) 17:07, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Should Hurricanes Entertainment Team be nominated for deletion? I have already placed a PROD notice there, which was removed. The page currently looks like a promotion but I seem to remember that such pages should not be created. – Sabbatino ( talk) 11:46, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Francis Nelson was recently moved to Francis Nelson (Canadian ice hockey) by User:Tassedethe. This move seems to contradict Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ice hockey) which states birth year should be used. Nationality is not mentioned anywhere in the naming conventions. Any thoughts? Flibirigit ( talk) 16:28, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Per previous discussions on this page, I've nominated Template:Infobox National Hockey League coach for merging, you can join the discussion here. Connormah ( talk) 16:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
All I want to know is 'who' (in the real world) stopped calling them coach & began calling them head coach (which thankfully, we aren't doing in the infoboxes) & 'when' did it begin. PS - Same with, when did the title team president change to president of hockey operations. GoodDay ( talk) 21:24, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Does anybody know the technique for positioning images into horizontal rows (i.e left to right) for the trophy articles? Calder Memorial Trophy & Conn Smythe Trophy are example of where the images require this. Having multiple player images in vertical style (top to bottom), creates a huge white space on the left half of the article & a longer scrolling down for readers, until you get the list of trophy winners section. GoodDay ( talk) 15:43, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
On my larger monitor at home, it does look better down the side. It doesn't bother me either way and if it was reversed, i wouldnt care. Masterhatch ( talk) 22:29, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
It strikes me as odd that a player who is a Second Team All-American is considered notable. This seems to me like an extremely generous interpretation of notability. It goes much farther than the criteria for WP:NCOLLATH especially with respect to awards which provides that a player must "[h]ave won a national award (such as those listed in Template:College Football Awards or the equivalent in another sport), or established a major NCAA Division I record." It also goes farther than the general notability guideline in that All-American Second Team membership does not get "significant coverage" and rarely gets any mention in secondary sources other than those which are listing all of that year's honorees. Even narrowing the scope to First Team All-American membership would be broader than WP:NCOLLATH and broader than the criteria applied to specific sports. Let me know what you think. -- Dennis C. Abrams ( talk) 02:05, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Looks like someone just copy / pasted Ted Hargreaves' stats from somewhere without doing a proper table. I'm short on time right now. If I can get to it later, I'll try. But if someone has time before I can get to it, great! Masterhatch ( talk) 18:13, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
I've been mulling for a while on the idea of introducing a covid icon for player rosters, for since the NHL has introduced covid protocols it differentiates from the normal injured icon that indicates injured reserve. It also helps explain the larger rosters around the league when a team is hit by covid.
Wondering on users thoughts agree/disagree or if it's no big deal either way, D/W will undo if no consensus.
Triggerbit ( talk) 14:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Need some help at IIHF World Women's Championship article, for the 2022 entry. GoodDay ( talk) 16:00, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Just noting the changing & passage of time. Slowly, the Soviet-born, Yugoslav-born & Czechoslovakian-born NHL players are being phased out, via retirement. GoodDay ( talk) 17:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
We've no articles for 2021 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships – Division I, 2021 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships – Division II, 2021 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships – Division III & 2009 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships – Division III. Perhaps we should have articles (maybe we did, at one time) for those, even though the tournaments hadn't occurred. Either that, or we delete 2022 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships – Division III, which was also entirely cancelled. GoodDay ( talk) 22:27, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
'Tis done. All are redirected to their respective IIHF World U20 Championship Division articles. GoodDay ( talk) 16:46, 30 December 2021 (UTC)