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One of the main sources of this article is this link, which on further inspection is copied directly from the Open Championship article as of July 17, 2017. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 07:13, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
I've moved List of Caddie Hall of Fame inductees to Caddie Hall of Fame. I've also removed quite a few links to it from "See also" sections. It seems to me to be a strange hall of fame, since many of the inductees seem to have only got a tenuous link with caddieing. I've combined the annual inductees tables into one. Honestly, I'm thinking the list could be trimmed more, to just a bare list: name + year. This is especially the case since the "Awards and other induction citations" column is generally an exact copy of what used to be on their web site: see eg https://web.archive.org/web/20150714222744/http://www.wgaesf.org/site/c.dwJTKiO0JgI8G/b.8558121/k.4AD6/The_Caddie_Hall_of_Fame.htm Nigej ( talk) 11:15, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Good afternoon folks,
I was wondering if you guys knew of a South African newspaper search engine. Trove and the Singapore search engine have helped immeasurably. A South African one would surely make it much easier to create SA-golfer related pages.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 20:10, 17 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I recently created a page for Jean-Louis Guepy. I have a couple issues however...
1) When I found him on Wikipedia using my iPhone the label says "Jean-Louis Guepy, English golfer." Unless there is something wild I don't know about he should be labeled "French golfer" (or maybe "New Caledonian golfer"). "English golfer" is almost certainly a mistake. However I don't know how to fix the matter. Does anyone know how?
2) I found a decent amount of info on the guy but - quite surprisingly - nothing on Trove. Geupy is from New Caledonia (an island in between Australia and New Zealand) and played extensively in the PGA Tour of Australasia. I know Trove focuses more on old stuff and Geupy played mainly the in '90s... but still... nothing?? Not sure if anyone could help me on that regard.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 21:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
No don’t think that was me. Jimmymci234 ( talk) 05:48, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Last year I created a page outlining the priority listing on the PGA Tour. This has again been created for the 2020-2021 season. I thought these would be a useful addition to wikipedia. They have been nominated for deletion though by another Wikiproject Golf member. If you have an opinion either way please leave it on the deletion page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020-21 PGA Tour priority ranking Jopal22 ( talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I was wondering what the general template is for creating golf course pages. Could someone provide me a good example?
I was thinking about his recently as I was editing the page of Royal Adelaide Golf Club. Two things come to mind:
1) Do we need an additional scorecard for specific events (in this case the 2017 Women's Australian Open)? Seems like that could go on a tournament page. On this page it looks kind of clunky and extraneous.
2) I created the heading "Other Tournaments" which adds dates when the course hosted the Australian Amateur and South Australian Open. I was thinking of combining "Other Tournaments" information with the "Australian Opens" information under an overarching "Tournaments" heading. I think it would be clearer. Thoughts?
Also, the only course page I have created in the Pleasant Valley Country Club page. Any advice on how to improve this would be nice.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 21:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I was looking to create a page on this event.
When I was creating the page of George Serhan I discovered that he won the "Samoan Open" in 1979. Here is the link.
Also, it states on this link that New Zealand golfer Barry Vivian won an event in "Western Samoa" during the 1970s.
Not necessarily sure if Serhan and Vivian won the same event. But any more information or clarification would be helpful.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 21:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 04:12, 31 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Anyone know why we have him under Michael Clayton (golfer). Nearly always he was referred to as Mike, so would suggest moving him to Mike Clayton (golfer). Nigej ( talk) 19:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
I recently created a page for Ted Douglas. He won the New Zealand Open several times in the early 20th century. In my research I expected to find some primary sources through Past Papers. While I found a good deal of information I did not find any primary sources reporting from the New Zealand Open. I would like this for his page but more so for the New Zealand Open page. In the reference column for that page we only have primary sources. I would like to keep it consistent and only use primary sources for the very early 20th century New Zealand Opens too. Anyway, any relevant information would be most helpful.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 23:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Has anyone heard of this tournament? It has played in Queensland during the 1970s. It recently came up when I was creating the page of Mike Ferguson (golfer). Ferguson the event in 1978. He also won the event in 1981.
This also came up when I was creating the page of Randall Vines. Vines won the tournament in 1975.
Not sure how important this tournament was... may have just been an event on the Queensland circuit. Keep in mind I only have secondary sources for this. Nonetheless, both Vines and Ferguson were prominent golfers and won this event during the heart of their careers. Let me know if you have anything and, if you do, if you think it is worthy of an article.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 21:24, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I have a question about when golfers official "turn professional."
This recently came up with a page I created for David Galloway (golfer). It states here that Galloway turned professional in January 1969. He started working as assistant professional at Royal Canberra then.
On this link it implies he turned pro in late 1971 or early 1972. I assume that with this link they are referring to turning "touring professional."
Nonetheless some clarification would be nice.
This issue was especially salient when I was creating the page of Barry Burgess. Burgess had a lengthy "amateur" career yet was getting paid money to work at golf clubs during this era (Strathfield, Ashlar, Bankstown). He eventually "turned professional" in 1976. This issue has come up with other golfers too. Again, any clarification would be helpful.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 23:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Hello all,
I recently created the page of Mike Ferguson (golfer). I found a lot of stuff but I am missing some information from very notable performances.
If you can find anything for any of this stuff that would be much appreciated.
Sincerely, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 21:34, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I recently made an article for Essex County Country Club. It is one of the oldest clubs in the United States. Feel free to add to it if you have access to more historical information. Thanks! Thriley ( talk) 14:14, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Just wondered if anyone had any thought about the Jr./Sr. naming of articles. Advice is given at WP:JR/SR. We currently have 48 articles in the project with such names. Currently we only use 4 forms: Jr. Sr. Jnr and Snr There aren't any articles using the old comma style (eg ", Jr.") nor do any use the Jr (without the "full point") style.
WP:JR/SR says "Commonwealth English: Sr or Jr written after the name, with neither a comma nor a full point. The Snr and Jnr spellings are attested but in decline, and are not recommended on Wikipedia." Clearly we don't follow this. All the commonwealth examples are dead with the exception of Trevor Fisher Jnr. Yesterday someone moved the Aytons to Jr. and Sr., which according to WP:JR/SR is incorrect. I moved them back to Jnr/Snr, a style that is "not recommended". Some could actually be renamed to remove the Jr/Sr, eg Sid Collins (golfer), David Ayton, John Graham (golfer), Peter McEwan, Tom Anderson (golfer). The question is whether we ought to do anything about this. Nigej ( talk) 10:27, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Jr./Sr. style (Commonwealth)group, I don't see any obvious need for moving though. wjemather please leave a message... 12:02, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
As most of you know the British Open instituted a third round cut from the mid-1960s to the mid-1980s. While editing the page of Mike Ferguson (golfer) I noticed he made money when he made the second round cut but missed the third round cut. He missed the third round cut twice in his career, in 1980 and 1983. Below is the information from his European Tour site:
1980 Open Championship: Ferguson won 490 pounds / 1983 Open Championship: Ferguson won 560 pounds
So my question is: is it accurate to characterize it as "missing the cut" when they completed three rounds and made money.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 18:31, 21 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Hi everyone,
I know it sounds grim but I was looking for more information about this anecdote about Mike Ferguson (golfer). According to his ET website he almost died in a plane crash in the 1970s. Ferguson was playing an event in Japan and made a five-foot putt to make the cut on the number. If he missed the putt (and thereby the cut) he was scheduled to take a fatal flight. The ET website does not state the name of this fatal flight.
I used Wikipedia's comprehensive list of plane crashes. The list is here: /info/en/?search=List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft
The only 1970s Japanese crashes where everyone died, according to the Wikipedia, were during these dates:
July 3, 1971 / July 30, 1971
Ferguson seems too young to have been playing in Japan in 1971.
Among golf editors, I know that ...William has done a lot of work editing the pages of plane crashes. If you could be of any help please let me know.
Again, I know it sounds grim and perhaps trivial but I think this is of some interest. Life and death is never trivial. Also, it is somewhat relevant given the fate of Ferguson's brother-in-law Payne Stewart.
Sincerely, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 03:50, 18 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
We have this article, Par (golf scoring format), which relates to an old form of competition, largely superseded by Stableford (in my neck of the woods). Most of the links to this article were actually intended to link to Par (score), which I have changed, indicating some confusion about the article name. The Par/Bogey format is still in the rules of golf - rule 21.3 ( https://www.randa.org/en/rog/2019/rules/the-rules-of-golf/rule-21#21-3). From my own perspective the "Par" usage for this type of competition was much less common than the "Bogey" usage (Bogey being used in a different meaning to its modern usage of one-over-par). So my proposal is that we rename the article to Bogey competition (redirect from Par competition) - but happy with the other way round. It also seems to me that Stableford could be renamed Stableford competition (rule 21.1 "The competition is won by the player or side who completes all rounds with the most points."). Perhaps we should also rename Par (score) to Par (golf) (currently a redirect) to be consistent with Birdie (golf), Bogey (golf), Albatross (golf), etc., although it could have a more generic type name like Scoring in golf since it contains definitions of birdie, bogey, etc. ({{ Golf}} has "scoring"). Any thoughts? Nigej ( talk) 08:38, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Should we add one? We already have consensus for an "Amateur career" section and golfers' amateur careers are often very short. Senior careers can be quite extensive.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 00:10, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Are there any that are free?
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 20:50, 4 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Does anyone know anything about this organization? It came up while creating the page of Dutch golfer Martin Roesink. Roesink was the medallist at the 1968 Qualifying School for the American Professional Golfers. I found this information on page 133 for the 1972 PGA Tour Media Guide. The relevant statement reads: "The American Professional Golfers also held a school and graduated 21, headed by Martin Roesink with 585 for 144 holes."
Given that this information is coming from an official PGA Tour source, it seems obvious the APG is affiliated with the PGA Tour. In addition, if you look at Roesink's PGA Tour page, you see he started playing on the PGA Tour the following year. I assume APG might be an incipient developmental tour or something.
I would like to include User:Phinumu in this discussion. I believe he started the PGA Tour Qualifying School pages and, as this information relates to Q-School, he might have some special insight about the American Professional Golfers.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 19:53, 30 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I know wjemather has been working hard on creating tour calendars from the tours' early days. I was wondering what the status is now. I feel like others may want to know so I am posting this in WikiProject Golf's talk section.
Thanks, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 23:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
You can find Sunshine Tour schedules back to 1990–91, and orders of merit back to 1992–93, here. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 00:02, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Just created a page for this man. Overall it's pretty done. I have two outstanding issues, though:
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 01:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I was wondering if we could put the link for the media guide within the "External Links" section for PGA Tour season pages. For example, I was thinking of putting the 1975 Media Guide under "External Links" for the 1974 PGA Tour page. The media guide has complete results from the previous season.
Thoughts?
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 01:56, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
General references are usually listed at the end of the article in a "References" section, and to quote WP:EL,
...general references, which should appear in the "References" or "Notes" section. wjemather please leave a message... 13:35, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I noticed today that there has been a schedule released for the 2021 season of the Legends Tour (formerly the European Senior Tour/Staysure Tour). I know that this has been discussed here before, but in order to create the page, what title should be used? Would 2021 European Legends Tour be the most appropriate? Thanks. Jimmymci234 ( talk) 19:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I did not participate in the conversation about "Nationalities in the field." However, I agree that heading should be deleted. I'm ok with the little flag next to their name in the top 10 box but in general the nationality concept isn't that important in these individual events. Not to mention many of these "international" players have lived in the United States or another country for decades.
I believe I read somewhere recently that users formed a consensus that "Past champions in the field" should also be deleted. If so, I definitely agree. Other than maybe the Masters (a tradition that reveres its past champions) it's largely a made-up category of washed-up stars who no longer receive much media attention.
In addition, I was thinking of adding a "Top 50 in the World Rankings" table. The table would be a top down list from #1-#50 and would include the players' results in that particular event. In the early OWGR era, a lot of the major championships did not comprehensively include the top 50 (especially the American majors). The table would give an idea of the competitiveness in the event. Since the late 1990s almost all of the top 50 play in these events so this category may not be as important now. But again, it's just an idea.
But I definitely think "Nationalities in the field" and "Past champions in the field" have got to go. Simply not relevant and add a lot of useless clutter to the page.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 22:19, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Does anybody know or heard anything about the Asian Tour's 2020 schedule or what their plans are for 2021. I remember back in the summer they had intended to restart in September, but that obviously didn't happen and haven't heard a single thing since. Seems strange. Jimmymci234 ( talk) 16:05, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
It is way too soon to be able to reliably source almost anything other than dates and venue for these tournaments. There is also an additional issue with The Open, regarding a potential move of the 2020 (149th Open) article depending on how the R&A proceed. Not much has changed since this AfD, so it seems clear that it is best to leave them all as redirects at the moment. wjemather please leave a message... 17:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Note: I've tagged the Open article for speedy deletion ( WP:G4) as nothing has materially changed since the original AfD. And as per the above, I have now removed all the unverifiable original research from the others so we can see exactly what we have left. If no substantial verifiable content can be added, then it seems fairly obvious the redirects should be restored. wjemather please leave a message... 11:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
For what it's worth, Bolton recently mentioned that the 2021 Masters criteria are finalized now (and that they're the same as usual, minus the ones for canceled amateur events and the Open Championship top 4). I think it wouldn't be a problem to start that page up now, in view of that. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 18:40, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
The Open Championship's 2021 exemptions have been announced. As expected, all players who were exempt for 2020 remain exempt. Whatever the decision is about how to do it, it looks like it's time for a 2021 Open Championship article. I'm pretty sure a 2021 Masters article is in order also. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 02:51, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
References
I know I've asked for this before but can't find it. Could someone please provide me with this notice?
Thanks, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 04:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
We have an IP persisting in removing it from Dustin Johnson & Rory McIlroy. I have reverted DJ's article twice already, so would breach 3RR by doing so again. What are thoughts on this event? It's clearly verifiable, so passes the threshold for inclusion, but how and where? wjemather please leave a message... 16:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
It is totally different to those events 178.167.205.73 ( talk) 18:20, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
It was a charity exhibition?. Was the Charles Barkley event added no because it was the same a charity exhibition 178.167.205.73 ( talk) 20:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
This was a one off made for tv match just like the one's you mentioned. This was an exhibition event 178.167.205.73 ( talk) 00:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Confirmation from the host broadcaster Sky Sports that this was as an exhibition event, co sanctioned by Sky Sports, Golf Channel and The PGA Tour. i have added a link for you guys ok. [1] 178.167.205.73 ( talk) 01:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Also from CBC [2] 178.167.205.73 ( talk) 01:24, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
It clearly states they are exhibition events and should be removed from professional wins section. It is fairly obvious as the broadcaster co sanctioned the event 92.251.188.41 ( talk) 17:54, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
I have added under exhibition matches are you happy with that as you said yourself it is not a professional win 92.251.188.41 ( talk) 18:00, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Wjemather are you happy for this event to be put under the banner exhibition match wins please ?. Regards 178.167.225.10 ( talk) 14:21, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
References
Given the array of different types of events we are trying to cover here I'd been struggling to think of a good generic section header other than simply "Matches", until this morning when I had a thought that they can probably all be grouped as "Challenge matches" (GD would seem to agree: [9]). Does anyone have any better ideas? wjemather please leave a message... 17:20, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi I brought this up in the first place so we are all happy that the Taylor Made Driving Relief and The Charity Match champions for charity should be removed from the professional wins and moved to another section like exhibition match section ?. 92.251.209.218 ( talk) 21:21, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
I've spent some time making a start on cleaning up List of golf courses in the United Kingdom and after a few days break come to the conclusion that this actually falls foul of WP:NOTDIRECTORY and should be deleted. The same applies to other similar geography-based lists (although I'm not sure why we have a list for the only course in Malta). Anyone think of a reason for keeping these? wjemather please leave a message... 21:02, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Ok, so the AFD resulted in keep which means these lists need a huge amount of work. I guess the first thing to determine is inclusion criteria, so here are some options:
Thoughts please? wjemather please leave a message... 12:26, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
It says on the South African Hall of Fame website for Cobie Legrange that he won this tournament in the 1967. I believe I saw somewhere else on the internet that another South African golfer won a similarly titled event during that era (perhaps Denis Hutichinson?). Does anyone have any more information on it?
Thanks, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 21:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)Ooggylwoogly
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Archive 5 | ← | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | Archive 14 | Archive 15 |
One of the main sources of this article is this link, which on further inspection is copied directly from the Open Championship article as of July 17, 2017. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 07:13, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
I've moved List of Caddie Hall of Fame inductees to Caddie Hall of Fame. I've also removed quite a few links to it from "See also" sections. It seems to me to be a strange hall of fame, since many of the inductees seem to have only got a tenuous link with caddieing. I've combined the annual inductees tables into one. Honestly, I'm thinking the list could be trimmed more, to just a bare list: name + year. This is especially the case since the "Awards and other induction citations" column is generally an exact copy of what used to be on their web site: see eg https://web.archive.org/web/20150714222744/http://www.wgaesf.org/site/c.dwJTKiO0JgI8G/b.8558121/k.4AD6/The_Caddie_Hall_of_Fame.htm Nigej ( talk) 11:15, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Good afternoon folks,
I was wondering if you guys knew of a South African newspaper search engine. Trove and the Singapore search engine have helped immeasurably. A South African one would surely make it much easier to create SA-golfer related pages.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 20:10, 17 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I recently created a page for Jean-Louis Guepy. I have a couple issues however...
1) When I found him on Wikipedia using my iPhone the label says "Jean-Louis Guepy, English golfer." Unless there is something wild I don't know about he should be labeled "French golfer" (or maybe "New Caledonian golfer"). "English golfer" is almost certainly a mistake. However I don't know how to fix the matter. Does anyone know how?
2) I found a decent amount of info on the guy but - quite surprisingly - nothing on Trove. Geupy is from New Caledonia (an island in between Australia and New Zealand) and played extensively in the PGA Tour of Australasia. I know Trove focuses more on old stuff and Geupy played mainly the in '90s... but still... nothing?? Not sure if anyone could help me on that regard.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 21:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
No don’t think that was me. Jimmymci234 ( talk) 05:48, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Last year I created a page outlining the priority listing on the PGA Tour. This has again been created for the 2020-2021 season. I thought these would be a useful addition to wikipedia. They have been nominated for deletion though by another Wikiproject Golf member. If you have an opinion either way please leave it on the deletion page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020-21 PGA Tour priority ranking Jopal22 ( talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I was wondering what the general template is for creating golf course pages. Could someone provide me a good example?
I was thinking about his recently as I was editing the page of Royal Adelaide Golf Club. Two things come to mind:
1) Do we need an additional scorecard for specific events (in this case the 2017 Women's Australian Open)? Seems like that could go on a tournament page. On this page it looks kind of clunky and extraneous.
2) I created the heading "Other Tournaments" which adds dates when the course hosted the Australian Amateur and South Australian Open. I was thinking of combining "Other Tournaments" information with the "Australian Opens" information under an overarching "Tournaments" heading. I think it would be clearer. Thoughts?
Also, the only course page I have created in the Pleasant Valley Country Club page. Any advice on how to improve this would be nice.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 21:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I was looking to create a page on this event.
When I was creating the page of George Serhan I discovered that he won the "Samoan Open" in 1979. Here is the link.
Also, it states on this link that New Zealand golfer Barry Vivian won an event in "Western Samoa" during the 1970s.
Not necessarily sure if Serhan and Vivian won the same event. But any more information or clarification would be helpful.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 21:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 04:12, 31 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Anyone know why we have him under Michael Clayton (golfer). Nearly always he was referred to as Mike, so would suggest moving him to Mike Clayton (golfer). Nigej ( talk) 19:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
I recently created a page for Ted Douglas. He won the New Zealand Open several times in the early 20th century. In my research I expected to find some primary sources through Past Papers. While I found a good deal of information I did not find any primary sources reporting from the New Zealand Open. I would like this for his page but more so for the New Zealand Open page. In the reference column for that page we only have primary sources. I would like to keep it consistent and only use primary sources for the very early 20th century New Zealand Opens too. Anyway, any relevant information would be most helpful.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 23:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Has anyone heard of this tournament? It has played in Queensland during the 1970s. It recently came up when I was creating the page of Mike Ferguson (golfer). Ferguson the event in 1978. He also won the event in 1981.
This also came up when I was creating the page of Randall Vines. Vines won the tournament in 1975.
Not sure how important this tournament was... may have just been an event on the Queensland circuit. Keep in mind I only have secondary sources for this. Nonetheless, both Vines and Ferguson were prominent golfers and won this event during the heart of their careers. Let me know if you have anything and, if you do, if you think it is worthy of an article.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 21:24, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I have a question about when golfers official "turn professional."
This recently came up with a page I created for David Galloway (golfer). It states here that Galloway turned professional in January 1969. He started working as assistant professional at Royal Canberra then.
On this link it implies he turned pro in late 1971 or early 1972. I assume that with this link they are referring to turning "touring professional."
Nonetheless some clarification would be nice.
This issue was especially salient when I was creating the page of Barry Burgess. Burgess had a lengthy "amateur" career yet was getting paid money to work at golf clubs during this era (Strathfield, Ashlar, Bankstown). He eventually "turned professional" in 1976. This issue has come up with other golfers too. Again, any clarification would be helpful.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 23:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Hello all,
I recently created the page of Mike Ferguson (golfer). I found a lot of stuff but I am missing some information from very notable performances.
If you can find anything for any of this stuff that would be much appreciated.
Sincerely, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 21:34, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I recently made an article for Essex County Country Club. It is one of the oldest clubs in the United States. Feel free to add to it if you have access to more historical information. Thanks! Thriley ( talk) 14:14, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Just wondered if anyone had any thought about the Jr./Sr. naming of articles. Advice is given at WP:JR/SR. We currently have 48 articles in the project with such names. Currently we only use 4 forms: Jr. Sr. Jnr and Snr There aren't any articles using the old comma style (eg ", Jr.") nor do any use the Jr (without the "full point") style.
WP:JR/SR says "Commonwealth English: Sr or Jr written after the name, with neither a comma nor a full point. The Snr and Jnr spellings are attested but in decline, and are not recommended on Wikipedia." Clearly we don't follow this. All the commonwealth examples are dead with the exception of Trevor Fisher Jnr. Yesterday someone moved the Aytons to Jr. and Sr., which according to WP:JR/SR is incorrect. I moved them back to Jnr/Snr, a style that is "not recommended". Some could actually be renamed to remove the Jr/Sr, eg Sid Collins (golfer), David Ayton, John Graham (golfer), Peter McEwan, Tom Anderson (golfer). The question is whether we ought to do anything about this. Nigej ( talk) 10:27, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Jr./Sr. style (Commonwealth)group, I don't see any obvious need for moving though. wjemather please leave a message... 12:02, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
As most of you know the British Open instituted a third round cut from the mid-1960s to the mid-1980s. While editing the page of Mike Ferguson (golfer) I noticed he made money when he made the second round cut but missed the third round cut. He missed the third round cut twice in his career, in 1980 and 1983. Below is the information from his European Tour site:
1980 Open Championship: Ferguson won 490 pounds / 1983 Open Championship: Ferguson won 560 pounds
So my question is: is it accurate to characterize it as "missing the cut" when they completed three rounds and made money.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 18:31, 21 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Hi everyone,
I know it sounds grim but I was looking for more information about this anecdote about Mike Ferguson (golfer). According to his ET website he almost died in a plane crash in the 1970s. Ferguson was playing an event in Japan and made a five-foot putt to make the cut on the number. If he missed the putt (and thereby the cut) he was scheduled to take a fatal flight. The ET website does not state the name of this fatal flight.
I used Wikipedia's comprehensive list of plane crashes. The list is here: /info/en/?search=List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft
The only 1970s Japanese crashes where everyone died, according to the Wikipedia, were during these dates:
July 3, 1971 / July 30, 1971
Ferguson seems too young to have been playing in Japan in 1971.
Among golf editors, I know that ...William has done a lot of work editing the pages of plane crashes. If you could be of any help please let me know.
Again, I know it sounds grim and perhaps trivial but I think this is of some interest. Life and death is never trivial. Also, it is somewhat relevant given the fate of Ferguson's brother-in-law Payne Stewart.
Sincerely, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 03:50, 18 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
We have this article, Par (golf scoring format), which relates to an old form of competition, largely superseded by Stableford (in my neck of the woods). Most of the links to this article were actually intended to link to Par (score), which I have changed, indicating some confusion about the article name. The Par/Bogey format is still in the rules of golf - rule 21.3 ( https://www.randa.org/en/rog/2019/rules/the-rules-of-golf/rule-21#21-3). From my own perspective the "Par" usage for this type of competition was much less common than the "Bogey" usage (Bogey being used in a different meaning to its modern usage of one-over-par). So my proposal is that we rename the article to Bogey competition (redirect from Par competition) - but happy with the other way round. It also seems to me that Stableford could be renamed Stableford competition (rule 21.1 "The competition is won by the player or side who completes all rounds with the most points."). Perhaps we should also rename Par (score) to Par (golf) (currently a redirect) to be consistent with Birdie (golf), Bogey (golf), Albatross (golf), etc., although it could have a more generic type name like Scoring in golf since it contains definitions of birdie, bogey, etc. ({{ Golf}} has "scoring"). Any thoughts? Nigej ( talk) 08:38, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Should we add one? We already have consensus for an "Amateur career" section and golfers' amateur careers are often very short. Senior careers can be quite extensive.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 00:10, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Are there any that are free?
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 20:50, 4 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Does anyone know anything about this organization? It came up while creating the page of Dutch golfer Martin Roesink. Roesink was the medallist at the 1968 Qualifying School for the American Professional Golfers. I found this information on page 133 for the 1972 PGA Tour Media Guide. The relevant statement reads: "The American Professional Golfers also held a school and graduated 21, headed by Martin Roesink with 585 for 144 holes."
Given that this information is coming from an official PGA Tour source, it seems obvious the APG is affiliated with the PGA Tour. In addition, if you look at Roesink's PGA Tour page, you see he started playing on the PGA Tour the following year. I assume APG might be an incipient developmental tour or something.
I would like to include User:Phinumu in this discussion. I believe he started the PGA Tour Qualifying School pages and, as this information relates to Q-School, he might have some special insight about the American Professional Golfers.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 19:53, 30 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I know wjemather has been working hard on creating tour calendars from the tours' early days. I was wondering what the status is now. I feel like others may want to know so I am posting this in WikiProject Golf's talk section.
Thanks, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 23:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
You can find Sunshine Tour schedules back to 1990–91, and orders of merit back to 1992–93, here. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 00:02, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Just created a page for this man. Overall it's pretty done. I have two outstanding issues, though:
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 01:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I was wondering if we could put the link for the media guide within the "External Links" section for PGA Tour season pages. For example, I was thinking of putting the 1975 Media Guide under "External Links" for the 1974 PGA Tour page. The media guide has complete results from the previous season.
Thoughts?
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 01:56, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
General references are usually listed at the end of the article in a "References" section, and to quote WP:EL,
...general references, which should appear in the "References" or "Notes" section. wjemather please leave a message... 13:35, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I noticed today that there has been a schedule released for the 2021 season of the Legends Tour (formerly the European Senior Tour/Staysure Tour). I know that this has been discussed here before, but in order to create the page, what title should be used? Would 2021 European Legends Tour be the most appropriate? Thanks. Jimmymci234 ( talk) 19:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I did not participate in the conversation about "Nationalities in the field." However, I agree that heading should be deleted. I'm ok with the little flag next to their name in the top 10 box but in general the nationality concept isn't that important in these individual events. Not to mention many of these "international" players have lived in the United States or another country for decades.
I believe I read somewhere recently that users formed a consensus that "Past champions in the field" should also be deleted. If so, I definitely agree. Other than maybe the Masters (a tradition that reveres its past champions) it's largely a made-up category of washed-up stars who no longer receive much media attention.
In addition, I was thinking of adding a "Top 50 in the World Rankings" table. The table would be a top down list from #1-#50 and would include the players' results in that particular event. In the early OWGR era, a lot of the major championships did not comprehensively include the top 50 (especially the American majors). The table would give an idea of the competitiveness in the event. Since the late 1990s almost all of the top 50 play in these events so this category may not be as important now. But again, it's just an idea.
But I definitely think "Nationalities in the field" and "Past champions in the field" have got to go. Simply not relevant and add a lot of useless clutter to the page.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 22:19, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Does anybody know or heard anything about the Asian Tour's 2020 schedule or what their plans are for 2021. I remember back in the summer they had intended to restart in September, but that obviously didn't happen and haven't heard a single thing since. Seems strange. Jimmymci234 ( talk) 16:05, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
It is way too soon to be able to reliably source almost anything other than dates and venue for these tournaments. There is also an additional issue with The Open, regarding a potential move of the 2020 (149th Open) article depending on how the R&A proceed. Not much has changed since this AfD, so it seems clear that it is best to leave them all as redirects at the moment. wjemather please leave a message... 17:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Note: I've tagged the Open article for speedy deletion ( WP:G4) as nothing has materially changed since the original AfD. And as per the above, I have now removed all the unverifiable original research from the others so we can see exactly what we have left. If no substantial verifiable content can be added, then it seems fairly obvious the redirects should be restored. wjemather please leave a message... 11:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
For what it's worth, Bolton recently mentioned that the 2021 Masters criteria are finalized now (and that they're the same as usual, minus the ones for canceled amateur events and the Open Championship top 4). I think it wouldn't be a problem to start that page up now, in view of that. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 18:40, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
The Open Championship's 2021 exemptions have been announced. As expected, all players who were exempt for 2020 remain exempt. Whatever the decision is about how to do it, it looks like it's time for a 2021 Open Championship article. I'm pretty sure a 2021 Masters article is in order also. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 02:51, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
References
I know I've asked for this before but can't find it. Could someone please provide me with this notice?
Thanks, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 04:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
We have an IP persisting in removing it from Dustin Johnson & Rory McIlroy. I have reverted DJ's article twice already, so would breach 3RR by doing so again. What are thoughts on this event? It's clearly verifiable, so passes the threshold for inclusion, but how and where? wjemather please leave a message... 16:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
It is totally different to those events 178.167.205.73 ( talk) 18:20, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
It was a charity exhibition?. Was the Charles Barkley event added no because it was the same a charity exhibition 178.167.205.73 ( talk) 20:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
This was a one off made for tv match just like the one's you mentioned. This was an exhibition event 178.167.205.73 ( talk) 00:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Confirmation from the host broadcaster Sky Sports that this was as an exhibition event, co sanctioned by Sky Sports, Golf Channel and The PGA Tour. i have added a link for you guys ok. [1] 178.167.205.73 ( talk) 01:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Also from CBC [2] 178.167.205.73 ( talk) 01:24, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
It clearly states they are exhibition events and should be removed from professional wins section. It is fairly obvious as the broadcaster co sanctioned the event 92.251.188.41 ( talk) 17:54, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
I have added under exhibition matches are you happy with that as you said yourself it is not a professional win 92.251.188.41 ( talk) 18:00, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Wjemather are you happy for this event to be put under the banner exhibition match wins please ?. Regards 178.167.225.10 ( talk) 14:21, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
References
Given the array of different types of events we are trying to cover here I'd been struggling to think of a good generic section header other than simply "Matches", until this morning when I had a thought that they can probably all be grouped as "Challenge matches" (GD would seem to agree: [9]). Does anyone have any better ideas? wjemather please leave a message... 17:20, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi I brought this up in the first place so we are all happy that the Taylor Made Driving Relief and The Charity Match champions for charity should be removed from the professional wins and moved to another section like exhibition match section ?. 92.251.209.218 ( talk) 21:21, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
I've spent some time making a start on cleaning up List of golf courses in the United Kingdom and after a few days break come to the conclusion that this actually falls foul of WP:NOTDIRECTORY and should be deleted. The same applies to other similar geography-based lists (although I'm not sure why we have a list for the only course in Malta). Anyone think of a reason for keeping these? wjemather please leave a message... 21:02, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Ok, so the AFD resulted in keep which means these lists need a huge amount of work. I guess the first thing to determine is inclusion criteria, so here are some options:
Thoughts please? wjemather please leave a message... 12:26, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
It says on the South African Hall of Fame website for Cobie Legrange that he won this tournament in the 1967. I believe I saw somewhere else on the internet that another South African golfer won a similarly titled event during that era (perhaps Denis Hutichinson?). Does anyone have any more information on it?
Thanks, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 21:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)Ooggylwoogly