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I want to check i am correct before i post another warning. Am i correct that users should be adding scores to matches whilst there still on i.e. after every goal. User:Skyblueshaun has been doing this. I and another user advised him not to do it and straight away he has done it again. Opinions please. Warburton1368 ( talk) 17:14, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
An editor has radically changed a very large number of these articles, but I only noticed when he did this one [3]. I don't know about anyone else, but I can't even read this. I've got maps covering parts of the tables. The colours are horrible, the tables are harder to read with vital elements being removed, such as the "P", "R" etc having disappeared. With no "Q" symbol for teams that have qualified for the play-offs, how is anyone supposed to tell that they've qualified while the season is still running? Why are there so many extra maps? Why do we now have home and away form in the tables? It makes updating the articles after each round of games harder and more prone to mistakes, and I'm talking as someone who has updated the Conference articles practically single-handed for the last couple of years. Is the plan to expand this to other non-league season articles, because I've been doing those on my own as well, and if they're going to look like this, it's a poor show. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 18:41, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree the maps are not useful as they stand and the large number of tables to scroll through is not helpful. If that amount of tabulated information is necessary, wouldn't the article benefit from being divided into 3 articles? Russell hadd ( talk) 19:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
IMO, and with regard to WP:NOTE, there needs to be a bit of editing down of the sheer length of many of the pages on minor footballers. Take thsis example from this player, a relative non entity in English football (I'm just using it as I think it's a typical example, nothing against him personally) [ [4]]. Do we really need to know who his best friend is, or what his brother's job is. And even the more relevant parts could do with being watered down. Mattun0211 ( talk) 09:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone now any good sources for stats for league appearances and international caps within lithuania. Struggling Warburton1368 ( talk) 17:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Can somebody please check this player's DOB for me? Currently at 1931, which seems slightly too late for a career beginning in 1945...cheers, Giant Snowman 19:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
If anyone is interested in editing players of this club in the present/future, know that: User:Demis21 is one of those "no summaries, no talkpage conversations" types, and we had an "interesting" run-in in two of the new players of the team, Juan Torres Ruiz and José Carlos Fernández Vázquez.
He wrote unencyclopedical stuff in both articles (the player joined AEK because he "wants to play Europa League", "has a great - not good, GREAT! - relationship with former coach Jiménez"), things that sound poor at best even with a ref, let alone without one! I composed that "toning it down", and replaced GREEK refs with ENGLISH ones, keeping AEK's official release, i "think" that's improving (- POV + English-speaking sources)...
This is where my warning makes sense now: in an hidden message inside the box, he "advised" me to stay the hell out of editing AEK players, as i am not a fan (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Juan_Torres_Ruiz&diff=437881829&oldid=437801290) and they know better than me...cryptic!
So, in the light of WP, i improved both articles, and am being told to stop editing there?! In a related matter, after being here for nearly 5 years, i have seen the following in Greek and Cypriot football editors: they (VERY) often write from the fans' point of view, inserting charmers like "signed because of the club's fans", "immediately a fan favourite for his passion and desire", "the fans did not like that display", blah, blah, blah. I think it's that approach that should be reverted, not the other way around. Makes me sick to the stomach how an old man (65 years of age) like Jesualdo Ferreira had to run for his life a few months ago, with his own club's fans - pardon, ANIMALS! - chasing him to the locker room for losing a game.
You have been warned, if you are not a fan, don't edit AEK players :) Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 20:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
If i was wrong in talking for everyone, if it's OK to write in football articles "Mateos is said to be the Piqué of Madrid" without any references - especially when the two players have NOTHING in common, one has ZERO games for one team, one has 40 caps for Spain and is twice CL winner with the other team - then i guess i should be the one being scolded and/or warned, not this "user"... -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 02:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Could all active members of Wiki Project Football please check if they are on the list of active members if not please add yourselves, go here. (For all who don't know) The Wiki Project Football userbox template simply advertises the fact you are a member but doesn't add you to the active members list. I thought it necessary to add this to the talk page as a number of people who have discussed recent topics are not on the list. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 09:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC))
Another Georgi Kinkladze request. Is there anywhere reliable that has full line-ups for international matches going back to the early 1990s? RSSSF's Georgia page does not have line-ups. The Georgian Football Federation website used to carry them, but all the links have gone dead and Wayback Machine didn't catch them.
Additionally, does anyone have the 2005–06 edition of the European Football Yearbook, or otherwise know of a source giving appearance stats for the Cypriot league in 2004–05? Oldelpaso ( talk) 18:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Would transfermarkt.co.uk be considered a reliable source? doomgaze (talk) 13:13, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I see the infobox has changed. Does anyone know what happened?-- Echetus Xe 09:11, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Trying to create an article for a new season. Anyone have an empty 16-team league table (where I can just add the team names)? The manual of style one is only for 5 teams and needs lots of editing. TonyStarks ( talk) 11:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Jeannot Reiter is called Benjamin Reiter or Benny Reiter on the French Wikipedia here. Though it seems to be the same person (the clubs/periods are identical), this source has a different birthdate from this source. Any thoughts,please? TerriersFan ( talk) 15:39, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
I am having a problem with User:DUCKISJAMMMY on this article. The aforementioned user created the article, but not in total compliance with the templates we have set out for the corresponding lists of English football transfers. They also attempted to change the List of English football transfers summer 2011 to match their new style. I reverted this change and modified the List of Scottish football transfers 2011–12 to match the style of the English transfer lists. The user now believes that I am acting out of spite and editing the Scottish list just to get their goat, which is definitely not the case. If anyone believes that I have made incorrect modifications to the Scottish list, please say so and I will stop; on the other hand, if anyone agrees with my edits, I equally urge them to speak up. – Pee Jay 18:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
My personal opinion is, that the use of flags for such a list actually is okay. When I first time browsed through the list, it was a portal for me, to learn more about the national location of all clubs mentioned in the list; and to me it was also interesting to learn that 2 Norwegians opted to sign with a Scottish club. I think many readers will also use these kind of lists, to get a quick overview, in order to learn how many of their nations footballers opting to transfer in/out of Scotland. So my personal vote is to keep the flags. If I should rank it by importance, I would say the football players flag have the highest importance to me, and then the football club flags are secondary -but still okay. To support my point of view, I would also like to highlight the fact, that when I checked other transfer lists from other big football nations outside of Britain, then in 6 out of 6 cases ( Germany, Denmark, Italy, Spain, France, Netherlands), they all had both player flags and club flags included by the transfer list (although some of them in a more smart way). Danish Expert ( talk) 12:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
All arguments for various layout solutions were previously discussed and posted, in our discussion above. This section is just to call for more votes, and provide a short status for the layouts we now consider. The layout decision is important, as it has been suggested to be implemented, not only for the Scottish transfer list, but also for the English + Spanish + French + Danish + Italian transfer list (which are all created upon the same concept as the Scottish). Here is a summary of the 5 layouts we now consider and vote for:
To allow a certain room for creativity and some different approach, it is suggested, that we do not change the current layout of the much different Germany and Netherlands transfer list. In regards of picking a common standard for the other nations, the following number of votes have so far been submitted:
1. layout: 3 votes (
Big
Dom,
Number
5
7,
Argyle 4 Life)
2. layout: 0 votes
3. layout: 5 votes (
PeeJay,
Danish Expert,
EchetusXe,
Koppapa,
Adam4267)
4. layout: 3 votes (
DUCKISJAMMMY,
Warburton1368,
Danish Expert (2nd vote)
5. layout: 2 votes (
VascoAmaral,
Salty1984)
*The "2nd vote" submitted by Danish Expert is a 2nd preferrence/compromise -in case the 3rd or 5th layout wont reach "approval consensus".
More votes to decide the matter (in this new vote section), will now be much appreciated. Danish Expert ( talk) 21:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
What now?-- Echetus Xe 10:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Not sure where to add this reply, so I'll put it here. Whatever format people may prefer personally, what we can't do as a small group of football editors is impose our own guidelines if those guidelines run counter to those the English Wikipedia already has, namely the section of the Manual of Style that deals with flag usage. The particularly relevant sections are MOS:ICON#Accompany flags with country names, which says that on first usage of a flag, the name of its country should appear adjacent to it; and MOS:ICON#Use of flags for sportspeople, which makes clear that any flag used in a sports context should be the player's sporting nationality, and not an unsourced estimate based on their birthplace. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 15:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
After 6 days with no additional !votes being submitted for the approval pole above, it is now time to draw up the final result. With 5 out of 12 votes being submitted for the "3.layout" -and the second most populair choise being 3 votes for the "1.layout"-, we can now settle the score, that the "3.layout" is to be considered as the new preferred standard for the Scottish and English transfer list. As pointed out earlier, the preferred standard we now managed to identify, might be challenged by other discussions or approval poles in the future. Until such actions are taken, it should however be considered as the preferred layout standard for the Scottish and English transfer list. Due to the somewhat limited number of !votes, and the fact that the victory for the "3.layout" was not to be considered as superior, I recommend that we for the moment do not enforce the "3.layout" as a new overall standard, also to apply for the Danish + Italian + French + Spanish transfer list. Before taking such a step, I think it would be appropriate, at least first to give the editors a notice of this proposed layout change at the talk page of those transfer lists, so that they are given a deadline/opportunity to protest, before we also opt to standardize their transfer list, into the "3.layout". Best regards, and happy editing, Danish Expert ( talk) 10:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Does anybody know how the template China always hyperlinked China national football team? It does not look right could somebody help me please. Mr Hall of England ( talk) 18:06, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Leave out the redirect Mr Hall of England ( talk) 10:06, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi all,
Can I have a ruling please in an edit dispute on the above page?
There was a section at the bottom titles 'personal'. I have moved this to the beginning of the article and renamed it 'background'. My view is that the info contained sits better at the beginning as it is then in chronological order. There is another editor who things otherwise.
Your opinion please folks?
Socheid ( talk) 07:37, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Just to let anyone who's interested know I've nominated FC Barcelona in Europe for removal at FLRC. The link to the discussion is here. Cheers NapHit ( talk) 18:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Item #1: how needed is this in the clubs' infoboxes? I am well more or less proficient at the WP:FLAGICONS policy, and now we have to deal with regional flags as well? A bit irrelevant and separatist in my opinion, i have duly notified User:Garciman73 who re-reverted after i undid him at CD Atlético Baleares.
Item #2: how relevant are FACEBOOK and TWITTER entries in professional athletes' pages? I think ZERO! With an official website (if the player has it) we're more than covered, the rest is quite nonsensical methinks...
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 17:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I removed them again hopefully he will listen. Adam4267 ( talk) 17:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Both item 1+2 are clearly irrelevant. In regards of the flags, then for 3 weeks ago, I created a special page with a summary of the current WPF flag policy. You are all welcome to start refer to that page (along with WP:MOSFLAG), if you think it can help to convince some of the stubborn editors, to stop their obvious abuse of flags. Danish Expert ( talk) 17:50, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
It appears that his full name is Thiago Motta Santon Olivares, but if "Thiago" is his first name, "Motta", "Santon" and "Olivares" should be his three family names. Are we sure about that? Brazilians maximum have two family names. Isn't it a hoax? -- VAN ZANT ( talk) 18:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
At Green Brigade(football supporters group). If any editors are willing to help out with this I would be very appreciative. No more can be acheived through discussion by the editors involved and neutral, editors' opinions would be welcome. Thank you. Adam4267 ( talk) 23:14, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I am currently updating the article and would appreciate any opinions on it. I am gunning for GA, but need to know what else it required for it. Thank you. 86.152.234.225 ( talk) 10:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
I'd be very surprised if it could make it to good article when it contains sentences like "Platt increased his continental reputation by scoring goals with both head and feet, whilst displaying passing abilities and high work rates" and "Platt's first telephone call from "Robbie" – as he knows Mancini – came out of the blue"). Number 5 7 11:02, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Am I alone in thinking that David Platt (footballer) is clearly the most notable person by that name? Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 12:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
There are loads of images on the interet - particularly of him playing for England and Sampdoria. I have one image of him in a 1990 world cup game - a print bought for me about 10 years ago (he was one of my favourite players as a Villa fan). Can I use this? What are the CR laws about this? Thanks. 86.152.234.225 ( talk) 15:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
I think that the article Joshua Markham may be a hoax, since I cannot find a reference to the player on the team's website. Could someone look at the article and tag it for deletion if that seems appropriate? Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 11:49, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Good evening (it's 5 PM here in Italy) to everyone, I usually edit on it.wiki, where I created the articles about Football at the Pan American Games. I have a question for you: does anyone have a complete list of the US team for that competition? I only managed to find an incomplete list, the line-up for the final game. Sorry about my imperfect English. :-) -- Triple 8 ( talk) 15:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
This is just to bump a short notice, that a complete activity check now has been performed for the WPF member list, as of July 10. The check showed, that no less than 52 of the current WPF members were found to be inactive, with 0 football related edits within the past 12 months; and thus automatically were removed to the "Former member list". If we calculate the rate of how fast the member list transform "Active members" into "Former members", the average has remained very constant at around 8 users per month, during the past 4 years. With 7 months passing since the latest activity check in December 2010, it was therefore no surprise to find, that the "Former member list" today now includes 52 more user names (to form an impressive total of 390). During the same 7 months, the "Active member list" however also welcomed 47 new WPF members, meaning that we today have a total of:
For those of you who are curious about the statistical numbers, I can also reveal, that among the 308 Active members, we had a total of 52 failing to post any football related edits during the past 6 months. Many of them appear to posses a "seasonal edit pattern", making it likely they will resume their football related edits during the next 6 months. If they fail to do so -and stay inactive for a roling period of 12 months-, they will of course be automatically removed to the "Former member list", when some of us perform the next activity check. Best regards, Danish Expert ( talk) 11:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
As a result of the debate above, I have just updated the WPF member list to feature a new layout, where we start to mark semi-active members with yellow. The semi-active members are defined as such, if they posted the latest football related edit 6-12 months ago (measured at the time of the activity check). Currently the member list include 52 semi-active members, where I noted a short parenthesis behind their name with the date of the latest football related edit. With this new system in place, we can limit the activity checks during the next 6 months, only to be performed for the semi-active members. Hereby these activity checks will now be a lot faster to do. I propose we continue with this system for the next 6 months, and then make a new evaluation if the WPF membership crititeria should be maintained/changed. Danish Expert ( talk) 01:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Since Turkey has its own version of Koriopolis now, would it be worth to create an article on the topic as well, and if so, under which title?
In related matters, additional pairs of eyes would help at Fenerbahçe S.K., 2011–12 UEFA Champions League, 2010–11 Süper Lig, 2011–12 Süper Lig and other articles related to the case. Especially the Fenerbahce article might be a target for possible false edits, as the club might face demotion to a lower league. However, neither UEFA nor the Turkish FF have made a decision yet. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 15:12, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
I am hoping to start this up. Anyone interested in joining this task force please post here. Adam4267 ( talk) 19:26, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
As it's on Sunday, it would be nice to have no redlinks left on the template below. I've created a few articles, but am off on holiday early tomorrow so might not get a chance to do any more! The Japanese wiki has a full set, and although I can't understand much of what's on there, I was at least able to get clubs and stats from the articles. Number 5 7 20:58, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Asuna Tanaka, Megumi Kamionobe, Miho Fukumoto, Nahomi Kawasumi, Mizuho Sakaguchi, Kyoko Yano, Azusa Iwashimizu, Yukari Kinga, Nozomi Yamago. Here is what Number57 pointed out
The main issues are:
Any help would be appreciated guys. Thanks. Adam4267 ( talk) 00:21, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, does anyone know if this player really exists? The article was created by User:Robmorley who came to my attention with an unconstructive edit in Raúl González. I strongly suspect that Juán Ángel Sebástio is a hoax (Google only finds the Wikipedia page), but I'm not an expert on Spanish football. -- Jaellee ( talk) 16:17, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello. The page Boualem Khoukhi has just been deleted in the French Wikipedia. I don't know if it meets the criteria of this project, but you should consider taking a look at this page. Thanks -- Quentinv57 ( talk) 19:52, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
The notability of Juan Luis Mora Parada was brought to my attention by another user who also pointed me towards an editor who is creating a lot of articles on Chilean players. My knowledge of South American football isn't great so are players who have appeared no higher than Chilean Primera División B notable? The top division doesn't appear as a fully-professional league but is listed further down stating that a club needs 12 players to be professional so does that mean it is or not? If the top division isn't fully-professional then the second division certainly isn't and most of those articles will need to be deleted for failing WP:NFOOTBALL. Regards. Argyle 4 Life talk 08:27, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm confused about this player's status - he retired due to injury in August 2010 and embarked on a coaching course, but appears to have played in a friendly today for a Chelsea XI against Crawley Town today. However, I can't find any news (other than on fan forums) about it. Can anyone shed any light? Cheers, Giant Snowman 23:51, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
The WP:NSPORT guideline as written effectively gives a "free pass" to footballers who meet the football-specific guideline, on the assumption that they will meet WP:GNG, but the articles do not have to show that GNG has been met. Clearly this is the current/agreed position and applies to a number of sports (that have varying criteria). I wanted to get a view of what Footy editors think of this situation, whereby players can be deemed to achieve notability via a competition/team criteria rather than meeting GNG. Please note this is intended to be a question about the principle of this approach, rather than a discussion of what football-specific criteria should be acceptable. Thanks. Eldumpo ( talk) 12:51, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I have been wondering this for a while and I have to ask now because I've run into a sourcing problem for a list that I'm aiming to take to FLC. Would Soccerway be considered a reliable source? I haven't used it much before so don't know who is behind it and what fact checking they do, but it has always seemed accurate to me. The problem I have is a friendly match between Luxembourg and the Faroe Islands. The sources I've been using don't cover it in detail and the best I've seen is this. I don't want to put it in if it gets pulled up at FLC and I have to take it out.
Since there were no goals scored then I could use FIFA since the result is listed there, but it doesn't include the attendance and I'm a stickler for completeness. The company behind Soccerway is Global Sports Media and they seem legitimate, but I'd rather ask and be certain instead of including it and then having to take it out again later. Regards. Argyle 4 Life talk 13:18, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Whatever it is, it's apparently getting a lot of citations. It seems to be football-related, so I though I'd drop by here asking about it (specifically about what should be done a potential article about it). Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 20:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Just noticed two links on the main page today "Japan women's national football team" and "United States women's national soccer team". Shouldn't these be consistent? BUC ( talk) 07:31, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Moving further north than the Chileans, but staying in South America, is Oscar "Ñembo" Restrepo notable? Can anyone verify anything from a Colombian goalkeeper from the 50s? He is listed as an Category:Unreferenced BLPs and we need to either reference it or delete the article. But looking at the bigger picture, your project's efforts on UBLPs has been fantastic, down to only 60 articles now, from well over 7500 two years ago and 1700 last year. Well done all. The-Pope ( talk) 15:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
If the reliable RSSSF shows all his caps in detail and says 95, why can't it be the number that appears in his box? I have been reverted 2,3 times, most puzzling is that those reversions contained...you guessed it...ZERO words in summary!
So much for teamwork, happy week all - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your inputs people - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 16:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Can someone please give me a list of websites that may help me with information when creating past Season pages, specifically Scottish clubs past season pages. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 23:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC))
What do the colored boxes and arrows next to players' names mean on "match" articles? For example, in the article for the 2011_FIFA_Women's_World_Cup_Final, under Match Details, where the players' names are listed out, Azusa Iwashimizu and Aya Miyama have colored rectangles next to their names, and several other players have red or green arrows pointing up or down, accompanied by numbers.
The meanings of these may be perfectly obvious to a football fan, but I think it would be great if there were some explanation, either in the references section, or at the top of the Match Detail section, or, as some other things in Wikipedia do, if there were a question mark next to them you could click on to find out more. For example, the "Nihongo" template used to render Japanese words in Japanese characters and romanization and/or translation, uses it. e.g. Azusa Iwashimizu (岩清水梓, Iwashimizu Azusa). Cheers. LordAmeth ( talk) 11:33, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Had a look on soccerway and it has him down as a Spurs player. Is this a mistake? I can't see anything on google news to confirm. doomgaze (talk) 12:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
And why is the vandal that did that not blocked already?! I know, i know, rules...he has not been warned several times, incredible!
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 20:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
What is the best way to disambiguate between two players with the same name. Adam4267 ( talk) 22:23, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
In another story, what could possess a "person" (quotation marks intentional!) to go into the page of one of the most clean players i have even seen, Carles Puyol - am cleaning up his article as we speak, for POV/WEASEL and overlinking, also removing who his current girlfriend is (who cares?) - and write "...plays for Barcelona and Spain and IS A DOUCHEBAG". Bitter Real Madrid fan maybe?
Also in this article, Carlos Marchena, Puyol's teammate at EURO 2008, is mentioned in that article regarding that competition, and he played in Valencia CF at the time. An "enlightened" user corrected his team to the one he plays in since 2010, Villarreal CF...Don't these people have a clue? A pity - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 23:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Cheers! -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 23:20, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Only 56 left - including about a dozen which are at PROD/AfD - in case anybody fancies joining me in trying to get that figure down to a tasty fat zero. Cheers, Giant Snowman 20:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Can we have some more eyes on this article please? There's been so much vandalism, and I don't know much about him, so trying to find a correct version to roll back to is proving difficult. doomgaze (talk) 12:38, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Seriously, even if ref'd, do we need mention to EVERY game he played with the EQUATORIAL GUINEA B team? From what i have seen, in many many articles, there is not even mention to all the games a given player played in a World Cup for A-TEAMS (refs or no refs), why do we need the detail here? User:Kolins is really really raising the bar here in my opinion...
Really puzzling - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Could I have further input here? It's a minor disagreement over whether the third qualifying round of the Europa league should be shown this way
Team 1 | Agg. | Team 2 | 1st leg | 2nd leg |
---|---|---|---|---|
Winners of match 21 | 35 | Winners of match 13 | 28 July | 4 August |
or this way
Team 1 | Agg. | Team 2 | 1st leg | 2nd leg |
---|---|---|---|---|
Split or Domžale |
35 |
Fulham or Crusaders |
28 July | 4 August |
The second way is the way that UEFA themselves use. Valenciano ( talk) 11:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Team 1 | Agg. | Team 2 | 1st leg | 2nd leg |
---|---|---|---|---|
Slovan Bratislava | 3–1 | Tobol Kostanay | 2–0 | 1–1 |
Sturm Graz | 6 | Videoton | 2–0 | 20 July |
Zestafoni | 7 | Dacia Chişinău | 3–0 | 20 July |
Dinamo Zagreb | 3–0 | Neftchi Baku | 3–0 | 0–0 |
Valletta | 2–4 | Ekranas | 2–3 | 0–1 |
Malmö FF | 3–1 | HB Tórshavn | 2–0 | 1–1 |
Shamrock Rovers | 1–0 | Flora Tallinn | 1–0 | 0–0 |
Rosenborg | 14 | Breiðablik | 5–0 | 20 July |
Bangor City | 0–13 1 | HJK Helsinki | 0–3 | 0–10 |
Skonto | 0–3 | Wisła Kraków | 0–1 | 0–2 |
Linfield | 1–3 | BATE Borisov | 1–1 | 0–2 |
How are people supposed to know in that situation that the 6, 7 and 14 refer to match numbers? Surely there should be a separate column on the left of the table which gives match numbers instead of placing them in an "aggregate" section? I don't know how to work the football box otherwise I'd amend that myself but surely match numbers in a separate column would be better? Valenciano ( talk) 10:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Another User:Zombie433 in the making? No summaries, does not talk to anyone...In the last days, the following: he receives warning messages, he removes them (see example here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Antony1821&diff=436103777&oldid=436051338).
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 03:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
See
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/history/honours
LFC have won 59 including the English Super Cup of 1986 an FA/Football League endorsed competition for top flight English Clubs. if the Intertoto Cup is included (a defunct summer tournament) then why is the Super Cup of 1986 not included also. let's get history right.
Cheers,
JoeRob55 — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeR55 ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Does playing in the qualifying rounds of a continental club competition such as the UEFA Europa League suggest notability under WP:NFOOTY? I am asking because I was wondering if the articles of this Fulham and this Dundee United player should be prodded or not... -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 18:11, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
How much longer are we going to put up with this? Vasco told me a while ago that he had tried talking to him without success. I've prodded quite a few of his creations in the past and found another one at Tiago Ilori. I was going to prod again but decided to check his contributions first and there are a lot more creations about players that aren't yet notable, including Ricardo Sousa Esgaio, created on 10 July, which was speedily deleted the day before as Ricardo Esgaio. What should be done? The guy has been around long enough and had enough pages deleted to know what is and what isn't acceptable, yet he continues to create work for other people to clear up. Argyle 4 Life talk 22:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Can we have some input here please folks - it's been listed for nearly three weeks! Cheers, Giant Snowman 00:08, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
I've discussed this before, but didn't get a great response. Basically, edits like these keep appearing on Enfield Town's page. I revert them quoting WP:POV and WP:OR, which they clearly are, only for the policies to be ignored. Where do I go from here to avoid getting into an edit war and keep the POV/OR off the page? -- Jimbo [online] 13:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Can someone help me to upload this logo of Sumgayit City F.C.? As I don't know how to upload logos to Wiki commons due I am not familiar with licensing. Link for the logo is http://www.azerifootball.com/upload/photos/Sumqayit%20Seher.jpg And the logo is taken from this news http://www.azerifootball.com/ru/13/news/6404.html
Big thanks.-- NovaSkola ( talk) 13:42, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
If you are planning to use Atlético Madrid's website for transfers and other stuff, forget it folks! It always leads you to "HOME"! Even if you try and alter it, clicking on the "HOME" feature of your choice and replacing it as source, it does not work, always goes to the aforementioned home page.
Bugger, happy weekend - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Basically, WP:FOOTYN is not fit for purpose - saying that there are at least 6000 notable French clubs is nonsense - and needs a massive overhaul, on a country-by-country basis. Ideas welcome! Giant Snowman 14:29, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
I live in Canada and fail to see how a club like Ottawa FC or the vast majority of Canadian clubs qualify as being notable. With the exception of the clubs in MLS and NASL, the rest are amateur teams or semi-pro at the most. Can someone explain to me what makes them notable? TonyStarks ( talk) 02:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Rogers Cup (soccer) and Givova Cup should be combined, as it is just a name change due to sponsorship, right? It is the same format. I'll do that and maybe add some more text to it. Question is what name to use? Canadian Soccer League finals, List of Canadian Soccer League finals, Canadian Soccer League play-off finals, List of.... I'd go for the first choice. - Koppapa ( talk) 07:57, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Do we have an article in Wikipedia like '2011 in international football' which lists all International Football matches (matches between FIFA meber nations - friendly matches, tournament matches etc.) for the year 2011, giving the results, goal scorers, ranking points earned etc. ? if not, can we have such an article for every year. I saw a similar article for Cricket. Thank You.
Anish Viswa
02:44, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
As this seems to have got lost in the middle above, is there a way to amend the football box so that we don't have the mess of match numbers confusingly appearing in the same column as aggregate scores? Valenciano ( talk) 17:42, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I know practically nothing of Caribbean football but Brownstown United and Brownstown Royal Saints Football Club aren't notable, are they? If they are then all of the material in them is WP:OR and WP:POV. Looks like nothing more than a group of people creating a team and having a kick-about at a park; nothing notable about that. I found them while prodding an article created by User:12Rolando and found more of them, including Rolando Texeira which is probably himself. The second club must be a recreation of Royal Saints F.C.. What should be done about this guy? Wikipedia is not a social network or a host yet this user appears to have been getting away with it due to the obscurity of football in that part of the world. Argyle 4 Life talk 17:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Could we have some more eyes on this article please? His 'current club' keeps being changed to Barcelona (who he joins on Monday, but he hasn't signed his contract yet) and I don't want to get blocked for edit warring. Cheers, doomgaze (talk) 19:00, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
My request at WP:RPP has just been granted, hopefully that should stem the tide for a while. Thanks for your help, doomgaze (talk) 17:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
It is (was) not the best site, but it was OK, with pics of players and statistics, being not very well updated to be honest...
Now, either it has undergone a cibernetic makeover, or it's dead as a dodo! Can't tell which is which, but all the players that have that external link are "not working". In case we're talking about "the worst", R.I.P. Footballdatabase.com!
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 02:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Do they use them, specifially in Division 1? Giant Snowman 20:03, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Would anyone be interested in setting up a task force on football in scotland. I think one previously existed but dosent anymore. Im heavily involved in trying to improve and create articles within Scottish football and some of these need a lot of work. I feel a task force would be the best way to do this. Warburton1368 ( talk) 22:18, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
As explained above I am creating Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Scotland task force. If anyone has any experience in the initial set up of a task force i.e creating the associated categories and the taskforce banner and is willing to give up a wee bit of time it would be greatly appreciated. Warburton1368 ( talk) 16:17, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if anyone's noticed this, but this guy has been adding people's honorific titles (e.g. MBE, OBE, CBE) to the top of infoboxes. I'm fairly sure this isn't something we should really encourage, so how do we go about stopping him and reverting the damage? – Pee Jay 18:18, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone have a look on this cut and paste article move ( [8] and [9])? I believe this should be fixed so that the page history of the articles are continuous, but I don't know how to fix this. Anyway, does Anderson Vital da Silva notable enough to occupy the page Dedé? Before he got a call-up to the Brazil team, the article Dedé is just a redirect to Dede. — MT ( talk) 15:18, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Does anybody have a clue what the purpose of List of Iranian football clubs in 2010–11 season is? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 15:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Your comments would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard regarding the above player. Its been brought up that his recent investigations by police and crown office shouldn't be mentioned in the article. I think it needs to be there in some context especially because his proposed recent transfers were delayed as clubs wanted to wait for the outcome. Warburton1368 ( talk) 18:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Could we have some more input at this AfD please? Has been relisted once and it has been up for nearly two weeks. Argyle 4 Life talk 01:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
In the official web of the 2011 Copa America (and other publications), [10], one of the mentioned top scorers of the 1983 Copa America is the Peruvian player Eduardo Malásquez. The problem is that according to other publications, including the RSSF, only attribute 2 goals to Malasquez. Moreover, other publications claim that the top scorer of the tournament was Peruvian player Franco Navarro (allegedly with 4 goals). Since Paolo Guerrero attained the Top Scorer of the tournament for the 2011 Copa America, I am trying to include him into the Peru national football team article (which, by the way, if anyone could contribute some help to make it an FA would be great). This is how I ran into this confusing issue. Could anyone please provide some input or help on how to deal with this issue?-- MarshalN20 | Talk 04:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I did find in Baseball World Cup there is a beatifull, usefull columne "title" number of teams, we should add it too our football historic lists, should show easily that 1930 was 13 teams and 1998 was 32 teams, I am a little bad with wikitables... can somebody upgrade it-- Feroang ( talk) 04:57, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Year | Final Host | Final four | Number of teams | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Champions | Runners-up | 3rd place | 4th place | |||||
1938 Details |
England |
Great Britain |
United States |
– | – | 2 | ||
1939 Details |
Havana |
Cuba |
Nicaragua |
United States |
– | 3 | ||
2009 Details |
Nettuno |
United States |
Cuba |
Canada |
Puerto Rico |
22 |
This is a really good idea.-- MarshalN20 | Talk 05:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
The articles dealing with the German championship before the establishment of the Bundesliga are a) in a very sorry state (at least the majority are) and b) have been moved to articles following a season naming scheme, such as 1947–48 German football championship. However, as the championship was not played out in a league, but rather consisted of play-offs of the various Oberliga champions, those articles should properly be located at 1948 German championship (where the article from my example had been prior to its un-discussed move.) I'm unsure how to proceed now. Move all those articles to what I think should be the proper name and clean up? Advice welcomed. Madcynic ( talk) 15:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Other, more related examples would be the Football League play-offs, like in 2011 Football League play-offs and the MLS Cup, as in MLS Cup 2010. On that note, to stick with the pattern of related football articles, definetly move to calendar year. Calistemon ( talk) 18:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Maybe this article could be protected for more than one month now (it was so on 28 April 2011, so it's time to "take it up a notch" methinks), vandalism is still rampant, Busquets is probably more hated in some parts of the world than this guy, and all he does is PLAY FOOTBALL (and feign a bit, but is he the only one?)...
Bitter Real Madrid/Manchester United fans, or lowlifes? Maybe both...Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 02:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Second bit: my exaggerated summary was due to the level of vandalism, it does not matter that the last "contribution" was almost a week ago (does it make it any worse if the vandalism is recent? I feel not), but i admit i again crossed the line as far as WP guidelines are concerned, but please don't call lowlife vandals "users", they are "un-users" at best. Ah, and if you think i wrote "drop dead" because one chap's use of spacings, then i am lost for words at a maximum...Please read the summary thoroughly mate, first one thing (mention to the spacings), then the other (nothing but utter despise for lowlife vandals).
Again, i apologize to anybody who might have felt uncomfortable with my comments about the recent tragedy in Norway, not my intention, never! Was just trying to drew a comparison, fell (terribly) short. All of this said, the article will not be protected, the vandalism will continue, okeydokey...
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 13:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
This article only has 5-6 edits in its history, anyone know where the rest of its history is? An article for a club that famous must have over a hundred edits if not a thousand. The reason I ask is because the name of the article isn't right. If we use WP:Commonname, it should be something like Wydad Casablanca instead of Wydad AC Casablanca. TonyStarks ( talk) 09:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Could an admin move Wingate and Finchley F.C. over the redirect Wingate & Finchley F.C. please. Thanks, -- Jimbo [online] 13:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Per constant kind input of User:GiantSnowman, confirming that Quique Flores is known mostly that way in England, as i already knew he was in Spain, and after page talk discussion (the Colombian anon user has declined to participate this time, only thing he did was revert me), i have removed the "Sánchez" from the article's name, embracing the WP:BOLD philosophy.
If i have not made the correct thing, please have an admin revert me, altough i feel it's an improvement, for all that's said above. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 17:11, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Considering the amount of warnings given to this Greek IP (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:85.72.130.30), why is the "user" still not blocked?
Cheers - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 17:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Are the edits of 213.89.48.81 ( talk · contribs) accurate or of concern? I don't watch this page so if any action is needed post to my talk page or WP:ANI. Dougweller ( talk) 16:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
If an admin has a moment of time would you have a look at the request to update the Template:WikiProject Football at Template talk:WikiProject Football. Its to update the template to allow the start of the Scotland task force. Warburton1368 ( talk) 22:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I have recently been cleaning up some non-League articles and came across the Category:Former Southern Football League clubs. I was previously led to believe that we do not have "Former" categories for clubs, just as we do not have them for players (i.e. there is no such thing as Category:Former Ipswich Town F.C. players), but a few of these Former Fooian League club categories were created by Djln ( talk · contribs) just under two weeks ago. I emptied the Southern League one (putting around 10 articles back in Category:Member clubs of the Southern Football League, where the vast majority of former clubs' articles were anyway), but an editor on the Spurs article doesn't approve (initially even seeming to think that my edits were vandalism).
Whilst I was previously an advocate of "Former" categories, I have come round to the idea that it is more sensible just to have a single category for past and present clubs (which is also better from a maintenance point of view, as once a club is in a league for a single season, the category never has to be changed again). What do the rest of you think? Number 5 7 22:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Can some members have a look at the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ottawa St. Anthony Italia and provide their input, currently its only 2-3 people discussing it. I might be wrong in my thinking, so I'd appreciate some additional input from some of the more experienced people here. Thanks. TonyStarks ( talk) 04:43, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi
Not sure if i'm doing this properly but I recently created the page 2011-12 Lille OSC Season. I was just hoping that maybe somebody could maybe check over and and possibly help out with what else may need to be done. As mentioned i'm not sure if this request should be here or not but any help would be most appreciated. Also, if anybody does help please let me know so I know what to do next time :)
Thanks in advance! Pereirab04 ( talk) 05:39, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I.e. those found in Category:A-League team shortcut templates - thoughts & feelings folks? Giant Snowman 19:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
[[:Template:Fb team A United]]
to get the content of the template, {{A United}}
is enough for that. But having said that... if team templates are solely used for league tables and not also for results tables, a standard wikilink would do as well, especially since there is a
second version of the table rows which is able to handle plain wikilinks. (I would comment longer on the issue, but this would be pretty off-topic...) --
Soccer-holic
I hear voices in my head...
20:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Today I discovered Category:Maltese football club statistics, and I can't decide if the articles in it have any merit. Three are about multiple seasons for each club, while Senglea Athletic F.C. season 2009-10 is about a single season (created shortly after the end of that season and not edited for a year, incidentally). Marsaxlokk F.C. seasons and Qormi F.C. seasons cite some official sources, all of them dead, and the others are unsourced. The start dates seem to be quite arbitrary for the multiple season ones - Marsaxlokk have existed since 1949 and played in the Maltese league since 1955, but the list only starts at 1999. All four clubs are semi-professional, but they do play at the highest level of Maltese football and have fairly notable histories (although why they're covered as opposed to the more successful Floriana and Sliema Wanderers beats me). I don't think there's enough material to justify them, but it'd be nice to have some more opinions. Alzarian16 ( talk) 17:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Are these notable or not. I thought the first may pass GNG just but surely there is no need for two articles. Warburton1368 ( talk) 21:02, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
When do they warrant an article? Mike Lloyd just became chairman of Port Vale, replacing Bill Bratt. He used to be chairman of Walsall, but I don't know much else about him. Former chairman Bill Bell definitely warrants an article because he was there for a long time and was very controversial, ( even now getting in mischief) but I haven't really found any great sources for him.-- Echetus Xe 12:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I know we have this policy that says do not add player's national team into his infobox if he has not received a cap. But I found the article of the player mentioned above which presents a weird situation. He was a member of the Paraguay squad who were the runner-up in the Copa America that just finished, so he has the navigational template for the Paraguay squad. But, he was an un-used substitute who has yet to receive a cap for the team. Which means, by our policy, "Paraguay" has not been added to his infobox. It seems a bit off. I know he is young and he very well will get capped in the future. Can anyone give me a good reason why I should not add Paraguay to his infobox, even though he doesn't have a cap but was part of a squad that finished 2nd in a continental tournament? Digirami ( talk) 05:55, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
2011– Paraguay 0 (0)
in the infobox, it will violates
WP:CBALL because there is no guarantee that he will make his national team debut in 2011. His notability as an unused substitute already highlighted in the prose and in the navbox below. Those should be enough to make the reader aware about his presence in Paraguay's Copa America runner-up squad. There are several players who have similar situation like this and do not have their national team listed on the infobox. They are usually unused substitute goalkeepers who were never capped, such as Italian goalkeeper
Francesco Antonioli who was in the Italy's Euro 2002 runner-up squad. —
MT (
talk)
15:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
current template below
proposal to expation table, both sexs, age versions, and football variants, maybe the organtization in the table can change to do it nicer but there is all the imformation you need in a template with the name "Worldfootball"-- Feroang ( talk) 02:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
How about something like this?:
Or similar? Giant Snowman 02:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
and the link to association football -- Feroang ( talk) 05:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
If the Afro-Asian Club Championship is there, then shouldn't the Copa Interamericana be there too? -- MicroX ( talk) 22:23, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
After another (imminent or ongoing?) edit war, User:Raulseixas asked me to bring this forth: Can we change the player's position to STRIKER? This guy is a pure striker, one of the best in the last 15 years. I feel we should differentiate between STRIKER (more static player, plays inside the box) and FORWARD (do not score as many goals per season, operate also in the wings, especially in the 4-3-3 system - Pedro Rodríguez Ledesma, Michael Owen, Pedro Munitis come to mind). The article "Forward (association football)" contains some inputs to all three variations (FORWARD, STRIKER and CENTRE FORWARD) doesn't it?
Oh and i think that Dimitar Berbatov should also "be" a striker (the top goalscorer in the Premier League is not a striker?). Your thoughts please, happy weekend - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 17:20, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
What do the reliable sources say about VNs position. That should be the starting point. Eldumpo ( talk) 05:30, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed that Aleksandar Vuković was deleted because he "fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL". I was surprised because Vuković is a very experienced player, he has more than 200 appearances in Ekstraklasa – a fully professional league. [11] Could someone restore this article? Thanks in advance, UrsusDriver ( talk) 14:18, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Could someone revert the POV entry in the lead of this article. I've done it twice today and warned the user about WP:3RR. Thanks, -- Jimbo [online] 15:19, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
When using {{ footballbox collapsible}} the report parameter ends up with a bare URL which are usually frowned upon because of link rot. How is this normally got round for example is a reference used against the report to give the full details? Keith D ( talk) 17:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
report = [url Report]
layout, because that's what the
template documentation says... cheers,
Struway2 (
talk)
17:50, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
The article Antonio Carlos Viera is about an brasilian football manager, but the exact name is Antonio Carlos Vieira. Can you change the name of article? Because I would create the article in french. And an error on the title is not a good thing to understand. Cordially — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.195.212.92 ( talk) 17:34, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Having recently discovered that The scottish football league does not require squad numbers for players. I was looking to amend season articles to remove the option to show squad number. I have tried and using the template you dont appear to be able to. Does anyone know if you can or of another similar template you could use. The template im using can be seen here 2011–12 Partick Thistle F.C. season think its called the Template:Extended football squad player Warburton1368 ( talk) 22:57, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
AFC Asian Qualifiers |
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I made the new template Template:Qualification for championships (AFC), base on old Template:Qualification for championships (UEFA), every collaboration is welcome-- Feroang ( talk) 04:24, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi all, I started a page on FIFA eligibility rules (a long-standing requested article), and I wondered if it would be useful for the football squad templates that are used in club/national team/transfer list and similar pages to link to this? Each squad list template, like Template:Football squad start, tends to include the following statement (or a close variation):
Note: Flags indicate national team as has been defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.
The link currently given is to the general FIFA page, but there isn't much on that page on eligibility rules. I thought it would be more helpful, for interested readers that wish to know more, to link to the new article instead. Do others feel it would be worthwhile to consider this? Deserter1 10:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Thumbs up. Excellent work. The written article exactly match the one we requested someone to create, back at the previous discussion in December 2010. IMO we can increase the value of the article even more, by adding a table where we dedicate one row for each FIFA National Team in the world, and let the coloumns show each type of eligibility criteria, and X mark those eligibility criterias currently being used by each FIFA National Team. A short example is, that the Danish Football Association has defined -underneath the overall FIFA eligibility rules- their own more strict eligibility rule: That you can only play for the Denmark national football team if you posses a legal Danish citizenship (which by Danish law only can be applied for by "foreign people", after minimum 7 years of residence in Denmark). AFAIK some National Footbaal Teams opt just to stick with FIFA eligibility rules, but the majority actualy has defined their own more strict eligibility rules -within the overall FIFA eligibility rules. Hence, I would appreciate if some of you also have the time, to create this suggested wikitable in the article. Danish Expert ( talk) 17:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
In the opening line of the USL Premier Development League article, it states that "the USL Premier Development League (commonly known as the PDL) is the amateur league of the United Soccer Leagues in the United States, Canada, and Bermuda, forming part of the American Soccer Pyramid." With that said, are the clubs playing in it considered notable if its an amateur league? With no relegation/promotion in North American football, its more than likely that most of those clubs have played solely in that league.
Also, if a club is clearly not notable (I'm talking about a University rec league team: NGEF Rock), what's the best approach to deleting it? CSD? PrOD? Thanks. TonyStarks ( talk) 08:12, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
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I want to check i am correct before i post another warning. Am i correct that users should be adding scores to matches whilst there still on i.e. after every goal. User:Skyblueshaun has been doing this. I and another user advised him not to do it and straight away he has done it again. Opinions please. Warburton1368 ( talk) 17:14, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
An editor has radically changed a very large number of these articles, but I only noticed when he did this one [3]. I don't know about anyone else, but I can't even read this. I've got maps covering parts of the tables. The colours are horrible, the tables are harder to read with vital elements being removed, such as the "P", "R" etc having disappeared. With no "Q" symbol for teams that have qualified for the play-offs, how is anyone supposed to tell that they've qualified while the season is still running? Why are there so many extra maps? Why do we now have home and away form in the tables? It makes updating the articles after each round of games harder and more prone to mistakes, and I'm talking as someone who has updated the Conference articles practically single-handed for the last couple of years. Is the plan to expand this to other non-league season articles, because I've been doing those on my own as well, and if they're going to look like this, it's a poor show. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 18:41, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree the maps are not useful as they stand and the large number of tables to scroll through is not helpful. If that amount of tabulated information is necessary, wouldn't the article benefit from being divided into 3 articles? Russell hadd ( talk) 19:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
IMO, and with regard to WP:NOTE, there needs to be a bit of editing down of the sheer length of many of the pages on minor footballers. Take thsis example from this player, a relative non entity in English football (I'm just using it as I think it's a typical example, nothing against him personally) [ [4]]. Do we really need to know who his best friend is, or what his brother's job is. And even the more relevant parts could do with being watered down. Mattun0211 ( talk) 09:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone now any good sources for stats for league appearances and international caps within lithuania. Struggling Warburton1368 ( talk) 17:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Can somebody please check this player's DOB for me? Currently at 1931, which seems slightly too late for a career beginning in 1945...cheers, Giant Snowman 19:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
If anyone is interested in editing players of this club in the present/future, know that: User:Demis21 is one of those "no summaries, no talkpage conversations" types, and we had an "interesting" run-in in two of the new players of the team, Juan Torres Ruiz and José Carlos Fernández Vázquez.
He wrote unencyclopedical stuff in both articles (the player joined AEK because he "wants to play Europa League", "has a great - not good, GREAT! - relationship with former coach Jiménez"), things that sound poor at best even with a ref, let alone without one! I composed that "toning it down", and replaced GREEK refs with ENGLISH ones, keeping AEK's official release, i "think" that's improving (- POV + English-speaking sources)...
This is where my warning makes sense now: in an hidden message inside the box, he "advised" me to stay the hell out of editing AEK players, as i am not a fan (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Juan_Torres_Ruiz&diff=437881829&oldid=437801290) and they know better than me...cryptic!
So, in the light of WP, i improved both articles, and am being told to stop editing there?! In a related matter, after being here for nearly 5 years, i have seen the following in Greek and Cypriot football editors: they (VERY) often write from the fans' point of view, inserting charmers like "signed because of the club's fans", "immediately a fan favourite for his passion and desire", "the fans did not like that display", blah, blah, blah. I think it's that approach that should be reverted, not the other way around. Makes me sick to the stomach how an old man (65 years of age) like Jesualdo Ferreira had to run for his life a few months ago, with his own club's fans - pardon, ANIMALS! - chasing him to the locker room for losing a game.
You have been warned, if you are not a fan, don't edit AEK players :) Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 20:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
If i was wrong in talking for everyone, if it's OK to write in football articles "Mateos is said to be the Piqué of Madrid" without any references - especially when the two players have NOTHING in common, one has ZERO games for one team, one has 40 caps for Spain and is twice CL winner with the other team - then i guess i should be the one being scolded and/or warned, not this "user"... -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 02:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Could all active members of Wiki Project Football please check if they are on the list of active members if not please add yourselves, go here. (For all who don't know) The Wiki Project Football userbox template simply advertises the fact you are a member but doesn't add you to the active members list. I thought it necessary to add this to the talk page as a number of people who have discussed recent topics are not on the list. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 09:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC))
Another Georgi Kinkladze request. Is there anywhere reliable that has full line-ups for international matches going back to the early 1990s? RSSSF's Georgia page does not have line-ups. The Georgian Football Federation website used to carry them, but all the links have gone dead and Wayback Machine didn't catch them.
Additionally, does anyone have the 2005–06 edition of the European Football Yearbook, or otherwise know of a source giving appearance stats for the Cypriot league in 2004–05? Oldelpaso ( talk) 18:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Would transfermarkt.co.uk be considered a reliable source? doomgaze (talk) 13:13, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I see the infobox has changed. Does anyone know what happened?-- Echetus Xe 09:11, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Trying to create an article for a new season. Anyone have an empty 16-team league table (where I can just add the team names)? The manual of style one is only for 5 teams and needs lots of editing. TonyStarks ( talk) 11:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Jeannot Reiter is called Benjamin Reiter or Benny Reiter on the French Wikipedia here. Though it seems to be the same person (the clubs/periods are identical), this source has a different birthdate from this source. Any thoughts,please? TerriersFan ( talk) 15:39, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
I am having a problem with User:DUCKISJAMMMY on this article. The aforementioned user created the article, but not in total compliance with the templates we have set out for the corresponding lists of English football transfers. They also attempted to change the List of English football transfers summer 2011 to match their new style. I reverted this change and modified the List of Scottish football transfers 2011–12 to match the style of the English transfer lists. The user now believes that I am acting out of spite and editing the Scottish list just to get their goat, which is definitely not the case. If anyone believes that I have made incorrect modifications to the Scottish list, please say so and I will stop; on the other hand, if anyone agrees with my edits, I equally urge them to speak up. – Pee Jay 18:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
My personal opinion is, that the use of flags for such a list actually is okay. When I first time browsed through the list, it was a portal for me, to learn more about the national location of all clubs mentioned in the list; and to me it was also interesting to learn that 2 Norwegians opted to sign with a Scottish club. I think many readers will also use these kind of lists, to get a quick overview, in order to learn how many of their nations footballers opting to transfer in/out of Scotland. So my personal vote is to keep the flags. If I should rank it by importance, I would say the football players flag have the highest importance to me, and then the football club flags are secondary -but still okay. To support my point of view, I would also like to highlight the fact, that when I checked other transfer lists from other big football nations outside of Britain, then in 6 out of 6 cases ( Germany, Denmark, Italy, Spain, France, Netherlands), they all had both player flags and club flags included by the transfer list (although some of them in a more smart way). Danish Expert ( talk) 12:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
All arguments for various layout solutions were previously discussed and posted, in our discussion above. This section is just to call for more votes, and provide a short status for the layouts we now consider. The layout decision is important, as it has been suggested to be implemented, not only for the Scottish transfer list, but also for the English + Spanish + French + Danish + Italian transfer list (which are all created upon the same concept as the Scottish). Here is a summary of the 5 layouts we now consider and vote for:
To allow a certain room for creativity and some different approach, it is suggested, that we do not change the current layout of the much different Germany and Netherlands transfer list. In regards of picking a common standard for the other nations, the following number of votes have so far been submitted:
1. layout: 3 votes (
Big
Dom,
Number
5
7,
Argyle 4 Life)
2. layout: 0 votes
3. layout: 5 votes (
PeeJay,
Danish Expert,
EchetusXe,
Koppapa,
Adam4267)
4. layout: 3 votes (
DUCKISJAMMMY,
Warburton1368,
Danish Expert (2nd vote)
5. layout: 2 votes (
VascoAmaral,
Salty1984)
*The "2nd vote" submitted by Danish Expert is a 2nd preferrence/compromise -in case the 3rd or 5th layout wont reach "approval consensus".
More votes to decide the matter (in this new vote section), will now be much appreciated. Danish Expert ( talk) 21:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
What now?-- Echetus Xe 10:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Not sure where to add this reply, so I'll put it here. Whatever format people may prefer personally, what we can't do as a small group of football editors is impose our own guidelines if those guidelines run counter to those the English Wikipedia already has, namely the section of the Manual of Style that deals with flag usage. The particularly relevant sections are MOS:ICON#Accompany flags with country names, which says that on first usage of a flag, the name of its country should appear adjacent to it; and MOS:ICON#Use of flags for sportspeople, which makes clear that any flag used in a sports context should be the player's sporting nationality, and not an unsourced estimate based on their birthplace. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 15:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
After 6 days with no additional !votes being submitted for the approval pole above, it is now time to draw up the final result. With 5 out of 12 votes being submitted for the "3.layout" -and the second most populair choise being 3 votes for the "1.layout"-, we can now settle the score, that the "3.layout" is to be considered as the new preferred standard for the Scottish and English transfer list. As pointed out earlier, the preferred standard we now managed to identify, might be challenged by other discussions or approval poles in the future. Until such actions are taken, it should however be considered as the preferred layout standard for the Scottish and English transfer list. Due to the somewhat limited number of !votes, and the fact that the victory for the "3.layout" was not to be considered as superior, I recommend that we for the moment do not enforce the "3.layout" as a new overall standard, also to apply for the Danish + Italian + French + Spanish transfer list. Before taking such a step, I think it would be appropriate, at least first to give the editors a notice of this proposed layout change at the talk page of those transfer lists, so that they are given a deadline/opportunity to protest, before we also opt to standardize their transfer list, into the "3.layout". Best regards, and happy editing, Danish Expert ( talk) 10:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Does anybody know how the template China always hyperlinked China national football team? It does not look right could somebody help me please. Mr Hall of England ( talk) 18:06, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Leave out the redirect Mr Hall of England ( talk) 10:06, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi all,
Can I have a ruling please in an edit dispute on the above page?
There was a section at the bottom titles 'personal'. I have moved this to the beginning of the article and renamed it 'background'. My view is that the info contained sits better at the beginning as it is then in chronological order. There is another editor who things otherwise.
Your opinion please folks?
Socheid ( talk) 07:37, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Just to let anyone who's interested know I've nominated FC Barcelona in Europe for removal at FLRC. The link to the discussion is here. Cheers NapHit ( talk) 18:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Item #1: how needed is this in the clubs' infoboxes? I am well more or less proficient at the WP:FLAGICONS policy, and now we have to deal with regional flags as well? A bit irrelevant and separatist in my opinion, i have duly notified User:Garciman73 who re-reverted after i undid him at CD Atlético Baleares.
Item #2: how relevant are FACEBOOK and TWITTER entries in professional athletes' pages? I think ZERO! With an official website (if the player has it) we're more than covered, the rest is quite nonsensical methinks...
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 17:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I removed them again hopefully he will listen. Adam4267 ( talk) 17:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Both item 1+2 are clearly irrelevant. In regards of the flags, then for 3 weeks ago, I created a special page with a summary of the current WPF flag policy. You are all welcome to start refer to that page (along with WP:MOSFLAG), if you think it can help to convince some of the stubborn editors, to stop their obvious abuse of flags. Danish Expert ( talk) 17:50, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
It appears that his full name is Thiago Motta Santon Olivares, but if "Thiago" is his first name, "Motta", "Santon" and "Olivares" should be his three family names. Are we sure about that? Brazilians maximum have two family names. Isn't it a hoax? -- VAN ZANT ( talk) 18:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
At Green Brigade(football supporters group). If any editors are willing to help out with this I would be very appreciative. No more can be acheived through discussion by the editors involved and neutral, editors' opinions would be welcome. Thank you. Adam4267 ( talk) 23:14, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I am currently updating the article and would appreciate any opinions on it. I am gunning for GA, but need to know what else it required for it. Thank you. 86.152.234.225 ( talk) 10:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
I'd be very surprised if it could make it to good article when it contains sentences like "Platt increased his continental reputation by scoring goals with both head and feet, whilst displaying passing abilities and high work rates" and "Platt's first telephone call from "Robbie" – as he knows Mancini – came out of the blue"). Number 5 7 11:02, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Am I alone in thinking that David Platt (footballer) is clearly the most notable person by that name? Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 12:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
There are loads of images on the interet - particularly of him playing for England and Sampdoria. I have one image of him in a 1990 world cup game - a print bought for me about 10 years ago (he was one of my favourite players as a Villa fan). Can I use this? What are the CR laws about this? Thanks. 86.152.234.225 ( talk) 15:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
I think that the article Joshua Markham may be a hoax, since I cannot find a reference to the player on the team's website. Could someone look at the article and tag it for deletion if that seems appropriate? Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 11:49, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Good evening (it's 5 PM here in Italy) to everyone, I usually edit on it.wiki, where I created the articles about Football at the Pan American Games. I have a question for you: does anyone have a complete list of the US team for that competition? I only managed to find an incomplete list, the line-up for the final game. Sorry about my imperfect English. :-) -- Triple 8 ( talk) 15:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
This is just to bump a short notice, that a complete activity check now has been performed for the WPF member list, as of July 10. The check showed, that no less than 52 of the current WPF members were found to be inactive, with 0 football related edits within the past 12 months; and thus automatically were removed to the "Former member list". If we calculate the rate of how fast the member list transform "Active members" into "Former members", the average has remained very constant at around 8 users per month, during the past 4 years. With 7 months passing since the latest activity check in December 2010, it was therefore no surprise to find, that the "Former member list" today now includes 52 more user names (to form an impressive total of 390). During the same 7 months, the "Active member list" however also welcomed 47 new WPF members, meaning that we today have a total of:
For those of you who are curious about the statistical numbers, I can also reveal, that among the 308 Active members, we had a total of 52 failing to post any football related edits during the past 6 months. Many of them appear to posses a "seasonal edit pattern", making it likely they will resume their football related edits during the next 6 months. If they fail to do so -and stay inactive for a roling period of 12 months-, they will of course be automatically removed to the "Former member list", when some of us perform the next activity check. Best regards, Danish Expert ( talk) 11:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
As a result of the debate above, I have just updated the WPF member list to feature a new layout, where we start to mark semi-active members with yellow. The semi-active members are defined as such, if they posted the latest football related edit 6-12 months ago (measured at the time of the activity check). Currently the member list include 52 semi-active members, where I noted a short parenthesis behind their name with the date of the latest football related edit. With this new system in place, we can limit the activity checks during the next 6 months, only to be performed for the semi-active members. Hereby these activity checks will now be a lot faster to do. I propose we continue with this system for the next 6 months, and then make a new evaluation if the WPF membership crititeria should be maintained/changed. Danish Expert ( talk) 01:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Since Turkey has its own version of Koriopolis now, would it be worth to create an article on the topic as well, and if so, under which title?
In related matters, additional pairs of eyes would help at Fenerbahçe S.K., 2011–12 UEFA Champions League, 2010–11 Süper Lig, 2011–12 Süper Lig and other articles related to the case. Especially the Fenerbahce article might be a target for possible false edits, as the club might face demotion to a lower league. However, neither UEFA nor the Turkish FF have made a decision yet. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 15:12, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
I am hoping to start this up. Anyone interested in joining this task force please post here. Adam4267 ( talk) 19:26, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
As it's on Sunday, it would be nice to have no redlinks left on the template below. I've created a few articles, but am off on holiday early tomorrow so might not get a chance to do any more! The Japanese wiki has a full set, and although I can't understand much of what's on there, I was at least able to get clubs and stats from the articles. Number 5 7 20:58, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Asuna Tanaka, Megumi Kamionobe, Miho Fukumoto, Nahomi Kawasumi, Mizuho Sakaguchi, Kyoko Yano, Azusa Iwashimizu, Yukari Kinga, Nozomi Yamago. Here is what Number57 pointed out
The main issues are:
Any help would be appreciated guys. Thanks. Adam4267 ( talk) 00:21, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, does anyone know if this player really exists? The article was created by User:Robmorley who came to my attention with an unconstructive edit in Raúl González. I strongly suspect that Juán Ángel Sebástio is a hoax (Google only finds the Wikipedia page), but I'm not an expert on Spanish football. -- Jaellee ( talk) 16:17, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello. The page Boualem Khoukhi has just been deleted in the French Wikipedia. I don't know if it meets the criteria of this project, but you should consider taking a look at this page. Thanks -- Quentinv57 ( talk) 19:52, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
The notability of Juan Luis Mora Parada was brought to my attention by another user who also pointed me towards an editor who is creating a lot of articles on Chilean players. My knowledge of South American football isn't great so are players who have appeared no higher than Chilean Primera División B notable? The top division doesn't appear as a fully-professional league but is listed further down stating that a club needs 12 players to be professional so does that mean it is or not? If the top division isn't fully-professional then the second division certainly isn't and most of those articles will need to be deleted for failing WP:NFOOTBALL. Regards. Argyle 4 Life talk 08:27, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm confused about this player's status - he retired due to injury in August 2010 and embarked on a coaching course, but appears to have played in a friendly today for a Chelsea XI against Crawley Town today. However, I can't find any news (other than on fan forums) about it. Can anyone shed any light? Cheers, Giant Snowman 23:51, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
The WP:NSPORT guideline as written effectively gives a "free pass" to footballers who meet the football-specific guideline, on the assumption that they will meet WP:GNG, but the articles do not have to show that GNG has been met. Clearly this is the current/agreed position and applies to a number of sports (that have varying criteria). I wanted to get a view of what Footy editors think of this situation, whereby players can be deemed to achieve notability via a competition/team criteria rather than meeting GNG. Please note this is intended to be a question about the principle of this approach, rather than a discussion of what football-specific criteria should be acceptable. Thanks. Eldumpo ( talk) 12:51, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I have been wondering this for a while and I have to ask now because I've run into a sourcing problem for a list that I'm aiming to take to FLC. Would Soccerway be considered a reliable source? I haven't used it much before so don't know who is behind it and what fact checking they do, but it has always seemed accurate to me. The problem I have is a friendly match between Luxembourg and the Faroe Islands. The sources I've been using don't cover it in detail and the best I've seen is this. I don't want to put it in if it gets pulled up at FLC and I have to take it out.
Since there were no goals scored then I could use FIFA since the result is listed there, but it doesn't include the attendance and I'm a stickler for completeness. The company behind Soccerway is Global Sports Media and they seem legitimate, but I'd rather ask and be certain instead of including it and then having to take it out again later. Regards. Argyle 4 Life talk 13:18, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Whatever it is, it's apparently getting a lot of citations. It seems to be football-related, so I though I'd drop by here asking about it (specifically about what should be done a potential article about it). Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 20:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Just noticed two links on the main page today "Japan women's national football team" and "United States women's national soccer team". Shouldn't these be consistent? BUC ( talk) 07:31, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Moving further north than the Chileans, but staying in South America, is Oscar "Ñembo" Restrepo notable? Can anyone verify anything from a Colombian goalkeeper from the 50s? He is listed as an Category:Unreferenced BLPs and we need to either reference it or delete the article. But looking at the bigger picture, your project's efforts on UBLPs has been fantastic, down to only 60 articles now, from well over 7500 two years ago and 1700 last year. Well done all. The-Pope ( talk) 15:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
If the reliable RSSSF shows all his caps in detail and says 95, why can't it be the number that appears in his box? I have been reverted 2,3 times, most puzzling is that those reversions contained...you guessed it...ZERO words in summary!
So much for teamwork, happy week all - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your inputs people - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 16:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Can someone please give me a list of websites that may help me with information when creating past Season pages, specifically Scottish clubs past season pages. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 23:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC))
What do the colored boxes and arrows next to players' names mean on "match" articles? For example, in the article for the 2011_FIFA_Women's_World_Cup_Final, under Match Details, where the players' names are listed out, Azusa Iwashimizu and Aya Miyama have colored rectangles next to their names, and several other players have red or green arrows pointing up or down, accompanied by numbers.
The meanings of these may be perfectly obvious to a football fan, but I think it would be great if there were some explanation, either in the references section, or at the top of the Match Detail section, or, as some other things in Wikipedia do, if there were a question mark next to them you could click on to find out more. For example, the "Nihongo" template used to render Japanese words in Japanese characters and romanization and/or translation, uses it. e.g. Azusa Iwashimizu (岩清水梓, Iwashimizu Azusa). Cheers. LordAmeth ( talk) 11:33, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Had a look on soccerway and it has him down as a Spurs player. Is this a mistake? I can't see anything on google news to confirm. doomgaze (talk) 12:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
And why is the vandal that did that not blocked already?! I know, i know, rules...he has not been warned several times, incredible!
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 20:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
What is the best way to disambiguate between two players with the same name. Adam4267 ( talk) 22:23, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
In another story, what could possess a "person" (quotation marks intentional!) to go into the page of one of the most clean players i have even seen, Carles Puyol - am cleaning up his article as we speak, for POV/WEASEL and overlinking, also removing who his current girlfriend is (who cares?) - and write "...plays for Barcelona and Spain and IS A DOUCHEBAG". Bitter Real Madrid fan maybe?
Also in this article, Carlos Marchena, Puyol's teammate at EURO 2008, is mentioned in that article regarding that competition, and he played in Valencia CF at the time. An "enlightened" user corrected his team to the one he plays in since 2010, Villarreal CF...Don't these people have a clue? A pity - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 23:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Cheers! -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 23:20, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Only 56 left - including about a dozen which are at PROD/AfD - in case anybody fancies joining me in trying to get that figure down to a tasty fat zero. Cheers, Giant Snowman 20:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Can we have some more eyes on this article please? There's been so much vandalism, and I don't know much about him, so trying to find a correct version to roll back to is proving difficult. doomgaze (talk) 12:38, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Seriously, even if ref'd, do we need mention to EVERY game he played with the EQUATORIAL GUINEA B team? From what i have seen, in many many articles, there is not even mention to all the games a given player played in a World Cup for A-TEAMS (refs or no refs), why do we need the detail here? User:Kolins is really really raising the bar here in my opinion...
Really puzzling - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Could I have further input here? It's a minor disagreement over whether the third qualifying round of the Europa league should be shown this way
Team 1 | Agg. | Team 2 | 1st leg | 2nd leg |
---|---|---|---|---|
Winners of match 21 | 35 | Winners of match 13 | 28 July | 4 August |
or this way
Team 1 | Agg. | Team 2 | 1st leg | 2nd leg |
---|---|---|---|---|
Split or Domžale |
35 |
Fulham or Crusaders |
28 July | 4 August |
The second way is the way that UEFA themselves use. Valenciano ( talk) 11:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Team 1 | Agg. | Team 2 | 1st leg | 2nd leg |
---|---|---|---|---|
Slovan Bratislava | 3–1 | Tobol Kostanay | 2–0 | 1–1 |
Sturm Graz | 6 | Videoton | 2–0 | 20 July |
Zestafoni | 7 | Dacia Chişinău | 3–0 | 20 July |
Dinamo Zagreb | 3–0 | Neftchi Baku | 3–0 | 0–0 |
Valletta | 2–4 | Ekranas | 2–3 | 0–1 |
Malmö FF | 3–1 | HB Tórshavn | 2–0 | 1–1 |
Shamrock Rovers | 1–0 | Flora Tallinn | 1–0 | 0–0 |
Rosenborg | 14 | Breiðablik | 5–0 | 20 July |
Bangor City | 0–13 1 | HJK Helsinki | 0–3 | 0–10 |
Skonto | 0–3 | Wisła Kraków | 0–1 | 0–2 |
Linfield | 1–3 | BATE Borisov | 1–1 | 0–2 |
How are people supposed to know in that situation that the 6, 7 and 14 refer to match numbers? Surely there should be a separate column on the left of the table which gives match numbers instead of placing them in an "aggregate" section? I don't know how to work the football box otherwise I'd amend that myself but surely match numbers in a separate column would be better? Valenciano ( talk) 10:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Another User:Zombie433 in the making? No summaries, does not talk to anyone...In the last days, the following: he receives warning messages, he removes them (see example here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Antony1821&diff=436103777&oldid=436051338).
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 03:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
See
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/history/honours
LFC have won 59 including the English Super Cup of 1986 an FA/Football League endorsed competition for top flight English Clubs. if the Intertoto Cup is included (a defunct summer tournament) then why is the Super Cup of 1986 not included also. let's get history right.
Cheers,
JoeRob55 — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeR55 ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Does playing in the qualifying rounds of a continental club competition such as the UEFA Europa League suggest notability under WP:NFOOTY? I am asking because I was wondering if the articles of this Fulham and this Dundee United player should be prodded or not... -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 18:11, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
How much longer are we going to put up with this? Vasco told me a while ago that he had tried talking to him without success. I've prodded quite a few of his creations in the past and found another one at Tiago Ilori. I was going to prod again but decided to check his contributions first and there are a lot more creations about players that aren't yet notable, including Ricardo Sousa Esgaio, created on 10 July, which was speedily deleted the day before as Ricardo Esgaio. What should be done? The guy has been around long enough and had enough pages deleted to know what is and what isn't acceptable, yet he continues to create work for other people to clear up. Argyle 4 Life talk 22:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Can we have some input here please folks - it's been listed for nearly three weeks! Cheers, Giant Snowman 00:08, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
I've discussed this before, but didn't get a great response. Basically, edits like these keep appearing on Enfield Town's page. I revert them quoting WP:POV and WP:OR, which they clearly are, only for the policies to be ignored. Where do I go from here to avoid getting into an edit war and keep the POV/OR off the page? -- Jimbo [online] 13:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Can someone help me to upload this logo of Sumgayit City F.C.? As I don't know how to upload logos to Wiki commons due I am not familiar with licensing. Link for the logo is http://www.azerifootball.com/upload/photos/Sumqayit%20Seher.jpg And the logo is taken from this news http://www.azerifootball.com/ru/13/news/6404.html
Big thanks.-- NovaSkola ( talk) 13:42, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
If you are planning to use Atlético Madrid's website for transfers and other stuff, forget it folks! It always leads you to "HOME"! Even if you try and alter it, clicking on the "HOME" feature of your choice and replacing it as source, it does not work, always goes to the aforementioned home page.
Bugger, happy weekend - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 14:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Basically, WP:FOOTYN is not fit for purpose - saying that there are at least 6000 notable French clubs is nonsense - and needs a massive overhaul, on a country-by-country basis. Ideas welcome! Giant Snowman 14:29, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
I live in Canada and fail to see how a club like Ottawa FC or the vast majority of Canadian clubs qualify as being notable. With the exception of the clubs in MLS and NASL, the rest are amateur teams or semi-pro at the most. Can someone explain to me what makes them notable? TonyStarks ( talk) 02:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Rogers Cup (soccer) and Givova Cup should be combined, as it is just a name change due to sponsorship, right? It is the same format. I'll do that and maybe add some more text to it. Question is what name to use? Canadian Soccer League finals, List of Canadian Soccer League finals, Canadian Soccer League play-off finals, List of.... I'd go for the first choice. - Koppapa ( talk) 07:57, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Do we have an article in Wikipedia like '2011 in international football' which lists all International Football matches (matches between FIFA meber nations - friendly matches, tournament matches etc.) for the year 2011, giving the results, goal scorers, ranking points earned etc. ? if not, can we have such an article for every year. I saw a similar article for Cricket. Thank You.
Anish Viswa
02:44, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
As this seems to have got lost in the middle above, is there a way to amend the football box so that we don't have the mess of match numbers confusingly appearing in the same column as aggregate scores? Valenciano ( talk) 17:42, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I know practically nothing of Caribbean football but Brownstown United and Brownstown Royal Saints Football Club aren't notable, are they? If they are then all of the material in them is WP:OR and WP:POV. Looks like nothing more than a group of people creating a team and having a kick-about at a park; nothing notable about that. I found them while prodding an article created by User:12Rolando and found more of them, including Rolando Texeira which is probably himself. The second club must be a recreation of Royal Saints F.C.. What should be done about this guy? Wikipedia is not a social network or a host yet this user appears to have been getting away with it due to the obscurity of football in that part of the world. Argyle 4 Life talk 17:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Could we have some more eyes on this article please? His 'current club' keeps being changed to Barcelona (who he joins on Monday, but he hasn't signed his contract yet) and I don't want to get blocked for edit warring. Cheers, doomgaze (talk) 19:00, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
My request at WP:RPP has just been granted, hopefully that should stem the tide for a while. Thanks for your help, doomgaze (talk) 17:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
It is (was) not the best site, but it was OK, with pics of players and statistics, being not very well updated to be honest...
Now, either it has undergone a cibernetic makeover, or it's dead as a dodo! Can't tell which is which, but all the players that have that external link are "not working". In case we're talking about "the worst", R.I.P. Footballdatabase.com!
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 02:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Do they use them, specifially in Division 1? Giant Snowman 20:03, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Would anyone be interested in setting up a task force on football in scotland. I think one previously existed but dosent anymore. Im heavily involved in trying to improve and create articles within Scottish football and some of these need a lot of work. I feel a task force would be the best way to do this. Warburton1368 ( talk) 22:18, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
As explained above I am creating Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Scotland task force. If anyone has any experience in the initial set up of a task force i.e creating the associated categories and the taskforce banner and is willing to give up a wee bit of time it would be greatly appreciated. Warburton1368 ( talk) 16:17, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if anyone's noticed this, but this guy has been adding people's honorific titles (e.g. MBE, OBE, CBE) to the top of infoboxes. I'm fairly sure this isn't something we should really encourage, so how do we go about stopping him and reverting the damage? – Pee Jay 18:18, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone have a look on this cut and paste article move ( [8] and [9])? I believe this should be fixed so that the page history of the articles are continuous, but I don't know how to fix this. Anyway, does Anderson Vital da Silva notable enough to occupy the page Dedé? Before he got a call-up to the Brazil team, the article Dedé is just a redirect to Dede. — MT ( talk) 15:18, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Does anybody have a clue what the purpose of List of Iranian football clubs in 2010–11 season is? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 15:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Your comments would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard regarding the above player. Its been brought up that his recent investigations by police and crown office shouldn't be mentioned in the article. I think it needs to be there in some context especially because his proposed recent transfers were delayed as clubs wanted to wait for the outcome. Warburton1368 ( talk) 18:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Could we have some more input at this AfD please? Has been relisted once and it has been up for nearly two weeks. Argyle 4 Life talk 01:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
In the official web of the 2011 Copa America (and other publications), [10], one of the mentioned top scorers of the 1983 Copa America is the Peruvian player Eduardo Malásquez. The problem is that according to other publications, including the RSSF, only attribute 2 goals to Malasquez. Moreover, other publications claim that the top scorer of the tournament was Peruvian player Franco Navarro (allegedly with 4 goals). Since Paolo Guerrero attained the Top Scorer of the tournament for the 2011 Copa America, I am trying to include him into the Peru national football team article (which, by the way, if anyone could contribute some help to make it an FA would be great). This is how I ran into this confusing issue. Could anyone please provide some input or help on how to deal with this issue?-- MarshalN20 | Talk 04:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I did find in Baseball World Cup there is a beatifull, usefull columne "title" number of teams, we should add it too our football historic lists, should show easily that 1930 was 13 teams and 1998 was 32 teams, I am a little bad with wikitables... can somebody upgrade it-- Feroang ( talk) 04:57, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Year | Final Host | Final four | Number of teams | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Champions | Runners-up | 3rd place | 4th place | |||||
1938 Details |
England |
Great Britain |
United States |
– | – | 2 | ||
1939 Details |
Havana |
Cuba |
Nicaragua |
United States |
– | 3 | ||
2009 Details |
Nettuno |
United States |
Cuba |
Canada |
Puerto Rico |
22 |
This is a really good idea.-- MarshalN20 | Talk 05:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
The articles dealing with the German championship before the establishment of the Bundesliga are a) in a very sorry state (at least the majority are) and b) have been moved to articles following a season naming scheme, such as 1947–48 German football championship. However, as the championship was not played out in a league, but rather consisted of play-offs of the various Oberliga champions, those articles should properly be located at 1948 German championship (where the article from my example had been prior to its un-discussed move.) I'm unsure how to proceed now. Move all those articles to what I think should be the proper name and clean up? Advice welcomed. Madcynic ( talk) 15:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Other, more related examples would be the Football League play-offs, like in 2011 Football League play-offs and the MLS Cup, as in MLS Cup 2010. On that note, to stick with the pattern of related football articles, definetly move to calendar year. Calistemon ( talk) 18:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Maybe this article could be protected for more than one month now (it was so on 28 April 2011, so it's time to "take it up a notch" methinks), vandalism is still rampant, Busquets is probably more hated in some parts of the world than this guy, and all he does is PLAY FOOTBALL (and feign a bit, but is he the only one?)...
Bitter Real Madrid/Manchester United fans, or lowlifes? Maybe both...Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 02:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Second bit: my exaggerated summary was due to the level of vandalism, it does not matter that the last "contribution" was almost a week ago (does it make it any worse if the vandalism is recent? I feel not), but i admit i again crossed the line as far as WP guidelines are concerned, but please don't call lowlife vandals "users", they are "un-users" at best. Ah, and if you think i wrote "drop dead" because one chap's use of spacings, then i am lost for words at a maximum...Please read the summary thoroughly mate, first one thing (mention to the spacings), then the other (nothing but utter despise for lowlife vandals).
Again, i apologize to anybody who might have felt uncomfortable with my comments about the recent tragedy in Norway, not my intention, never! Was just trying to drew a comparison, fell (terribly) short. All of this said, the article will not be protected, the vandalism will continue, okeydokey...
Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 13:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
This article only has 5-6 edits in its history, anyone know where the rest of its history is? An article for a club that famous must have over a hundred edits if not a thousand. The reason I ask is because the name of the article isn't right. If we use WP:Commonname, it should be something like Wydad Casablanca instead of Wydad AC Casablanca. TonyStarks ( talk) 09:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Could an admin move Wingate and Finchley F.C. over the redirect Wingate & Finchley F.C. please. Thanks, -- Jimbo [online] 13:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Per constant kind input of User:GiantSnowman, confirming that Quique Flores is known mostly that way in England, as i already knew he was in Spain, and after page talk discussion (the Colombian anon user has declined to participate this time, only thing he did was revert me), i have removed the "Sánchez" from the article's name, embracing the WP:BOLD philosophy.
If i have not made the correct thing, please have an admin revert me, altough i feel it's an improvement, for all that's said above. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 17:11, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Considering the amount of warnings given to this Greek IP (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:85.72.130.30), why is the "user" still not blocked?
Cheers - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 17:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Are the edits of 213.89.48.81 ( talk · contribs) accurate or of concern? I don't watch this page so if any action is needed post to my talk page or WP:ANI. Dougweller ( talk) 16:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
If an admin has a moment of time would you have a look at the request to update the Template:WikiProject Football at Template talk:WikiProject Football. Its to update the template to allow the start of the Scotland task force. Warburton1368 ( talk) 22:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I have recently been cleaning up some non-League articles and came across the Category:Former Southern Football League clubs. I was previously led to believe that we do not have "Former" categories for clubs, just as we do not have them for players (i.e. there is no such thing as Category:Former Ipswich Town F.C. players), but a few of these Former Fooian League club categories were created by Djln ( talk · contribs) just under two weeks ago. I emptied the Southern League one (putting around 10 articles back in Category:Member clubs of the Southern Football League, where the vast majority of former clubs' articles were anyway), but an editor on the Spurs article doesn't approve (initially even seeming to think that my edits were vandalism).
Whilst I was previously an advocate of "Former" categories, I have come round to the idea that it is more sensible just to have a single category for past and present clubs (which is also better from a maintenance point of view, as once a club is in a league for a single season, the category never has to be changed again). What do the rest of you think? Number 5 7 22:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Can some members have a look at the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ottawa St. Anthony Italia and provide their input, currently its only 2-3 people discussing it. I might be wrong in my thinking, so I'd appreciate some additional input from some of the more experienced people here. Thanks. TonyStarks ( talk) 04:43, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi
Not sure if i'm doing this properly but I recently created the page 2011-12 Lille OSC Season. I was just hoping that maybe somebody could maybe check over and and possibly help out with what else may need to be done. As mentioned i'm not sure if this request should be here or not but any help would be most appreciated. Also, if anybody does help please let me know so I know what to do next time :)
Thanks in advance! Pereirab04 ( talk) 05:39, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I.e. those found in Category:A-League team shortcut templates - thoughts & feelings folks? Giant Snowman 19:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
[[:Template:Fb team A United]]
to get the content of the template, {{A United}}
is enough for that. But having said that... if team templates are solely used for league tables and not also for results tables, a standard wikilink would do as well, especially since there is a
second version of the table rows which is able to handle plain wikilinks. (I would comment longer on the issue, but this would be pretty off-topic...) --
Soccer-holic
I hear voices in my head...
20:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Today I discovered Category:Maltese football club statistics, and I can't decide if the articles in it have any merit. Three are about multiple seasons for each club, while Senglea Athletic F.C. season 2009-10 is about a single season (created shortly after the end of that season and not edited for a year, incidentally). Marsaxlokk F.C. seasons and Qormi F.C. seasons cite some official sources, all of them dead, and the others are unsourced. The start dates seem to be quite arbitrary for the multiple season ones - Marsaxlokk have existed since 1949 and played in the Maltese league since 1955, but the list only starts at 1999. All four clubs are semi-professional, but they do play at the highest level of Maltese football and have fairly notable histories (although why they're covered as opposed to the more successful Floriana and Sliema Wanderers beats me). I don't think there's enough material to justify them, but it'd be nice to have some more opinions. Alzarian16 ( talk) 17:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Are these notable or not. I thought the first may pass GNG just but surely there is no need for two articles. Warburton1368 ( talk) 21:02, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
When do they warrant an article? Mike Lloyd just became chairman of Port Vale, replacing Bill Bratt. He used to be chairman of Walsall, but I don't know much else about him. Former chairman Bill Bell definitely warrants an article because he was there for a long time and was very controversial, ( even now getting in mischief) but I haven't really found any great sources for him.-- Echetus Xe 12:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I know we have this policy that says do not add player's national team into his infobox if he has not received a cap. But I found the article of the player mentioned above which presents a weird situation. He was a member of the Paraguay squad who were the runner-up in the Copa America that just finished, so he has the navigational template for the Paraguay squad. But, he was an un-used substitute who has yet to receive a cap for the team. Which means, by our policy, "Paraguay" has not been added to his infobox. It seems a bit off. I know he is young and he very well will get capped in the future. Can anyone give me a good reason why I should not add Paraguay to his infobox, even though he doesn't have a cap but was part of a squad that finished 2nd in a continental tournament? Digirami ( talk) 05:55, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
2011– Paraguay 0 (0)
in the infobox, it will violates
WP:CBALL because there is no guarantee that he will make his national team debut in 2011. His notability as an unused substitute already highlighted in the prose and in the navbox below. Those should be enough to make the reader aware about his presence in Paraguay's Copa America runner-up squad. There are several players who have similar situation like this and do not have their national team listed on the infobox. They are usually unused substitute goalkeepers who were never capped, such as Italian goalkeeper
Francesco Antonioli who was in the Italy's Euro 2002 runner-up squad. —
MT (
talk)
15:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
current template below
proposal to expation table, both sexs, age versions, and football variants, maybe the organtization in the table can change to do it nicer but there is all the imformation you need in a template with the name "Worldfootball"-- Feroang ( talk) 02:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
How about something like this?:
Or similar? Giant Snowman 02:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
and the link to association football -- Feroang ( talk) 05:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
If the Afro-Asian Club Championship is there, then shouldn't the Copa Interamericana be there too? -- MicroX ( talk) 22:23, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
After another (imminent or ongoing?) edit war, User:Raulseixas asked me to bring this forth: Can we change the player's position to STRIKER? This guy is a pure striker, one of the best in the last 15 years. I feel we should differentiate between STRIKER (more static player, plays inside the box) and FORWARD (do not score as many goals per season, operate also in the wings, especially in the 4-3-3 system - Pedro Rodríguez Ledesma, Michael Owen, Pedro Munitis come to mind). The article "Forward (association football)" contains some inputs to all three variations (FORWARD, STRIKER and CENTRE FORWARD) doesn't it?
Oh and i think that Dimitar Berbatov should also "be" a striker (the top goalscorer in the Premier League is not a striker?). Your thoughts please, happy weekend - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 17:20, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
What do the reliable sources say about VNs position. That should be the starting point. Eldumpo ( talk) 05:30, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed that Aleksandar Vuković was deleted because he "fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL". I was surprised because Vuković is a very experienced player, he has more than 200 appearances in Ekstraklasa – a fully professional league. [11] Could someone restore this article? Thanks in advance, UrsusDriver ( talk) 14:18, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Could someone revert the POV entry in the lead of this article. I've done it twice today and warned the user about WP:3RR. Thanks, -- Jimbo [online] 15:19, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
When using {{ footballbox collapsible}} the report parameter ends up with a bare URL which are usually frowned upon because of link rot. How is this normally got round for example is a reference used against the report to give the full details? Keith D ( talk) 17:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
report = [url Report]
layout, because that's what the
template documentation says... cheers,
Struway2 (
talk)
17:50, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
The article Antonio Carlos Viera is about an brasilian football manager, but the exact name is Antonio Carlos Vieira. Can you change the name of article? Because I would create the article in french. And an error on the title is not a good thing to understand. Cordially — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.195.212.92 ( talk) 17:34, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Having recently discovered that The scottish football league does not require squad numbers for players. I was looking to amend season articles to remove the option to show squad number. I have tried and using the template you dont appear to be able to. Does anyone know if you can or of another similar template you could use. The template im using can be seen here 2011–12 Partick Thistle F.C. season think its called the Template:Extended football squad player Warburton1368 ( talk) 22:57, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
AFC Asian Qualifiers |
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I made the new template Template:Qualification for championships (AFC), base on old Template:Qualification for championships (UEFA), every collaboration is welcome-- Feroang ( talk) 04:24, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi all, I started a page on FIFA eligibility rules (a long-standing requested article), and I wondered if it would be useful for the football squad templates that are used in club/national team/transfer list and similar pages to link to this? Each squad list template, like Template:Football squad start, tends to include the following statement (or a close variation):
Note: Flags indicate national team as has been defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.
The link currently given is to the general FIFA page, but there isn't much on that page on eligibility rules. I thought it would be more helpful, for interested readers that wish to know more, to link to the new article instead. Do others feel it would be worthwhile to consider this? Deserter1 10:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Thumbs up. Excellent work. The written article exactly match the one we requested someone to create, back at the previous discussion in December 2010. IMO we can increase the value of the article even more, by adding a table where we dedicate one row for each FIFA National Team in the world, and let the coloumns show each type of eligibility criteria, and X mark those eligibility criterias currently being used by each FIFA National Team. A short example is, that the Danish Football Association has defined -underneath the overall FIFA eligibility rules- their own more strict eligibility rule: That you can only play for the Denmark national football team if you posses a legal Danish citizenship (which by Danish law only can be applied for by "foreign people", after minimum 7 years of residence in Denmark). AFAIK some National Footbaal Teams opt just to stick with FIFA eligibility rules, but the majority actualy has defined their own more strict eligibility rules -within the overall FIFA eligibility rules. Hence, I would appreciate if some of you also have the time, to create this suggested wikitable in the article. Danish Expert ( talk) 17:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
In the opening line of the USL Premier Development League article, it states that "the USL Premier Development League (commonly known as the PDL) is the amateur league of the United Soccer Leagues in the United States, Canada, and Bermuda, forming part of the American Soccer Pyramid." With that said, are the clubs playing in it considered notable if its an amateur league? With no relegation/promotion in North American football, its more than likely that most of those clubs have played solely in that league.
Also, if a club is clearly not notable (I'm talking about a University rec league team: NGEF Rock), what's the best approach to deleting it? CSD? PrOD? Thanks. TonyStarks ( talk) 08:12, 30 July 2011 (UTC)