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Asked in a neutral way, as per the rules: Do we have any consensus about articles of this type? Rationale behind this question: this article. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 08:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
User:Jamen Somasu (yes, him again) has added a summary of the second leg of the 1968 Intercontinental Cup to the article about the match. Unfortunately, I deemed this summary to be riddled with POV and tagged it as a POV section. For some reason, Jamen Somasu refuses to acknowledge the POV nature of his addition and insists on removing the POV tag. Would someone please provide a third opinion on this subject? – Pee Jay 19:34, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Moving from the specific and personal, this illustrates why we should be exceedingly careful about descriptive match reports, even if they are based on contemporary newspaper reports. This is an encyclopaedia, and so our emphasis should be on facts; we are not a journalistic enterprise, and so perceptions and judgements (even those of journalists) are not our concern. We should remember that journalists are employed to produce the material that sells newspapers, and therefore under pressure to write that which the prospective readership of that paper wishes to read: perception and interpretation which resonates with an anticipated POV is their trade. So we should stick to the facts (Manchester United had 12 shots on goal, 8 of which were on target and they hit the woodwork twice) rather than commentary upon them (Manchester United attacked desperately and agonisingly with everything they had). Frustrated would-be journalists probably do not make the best encyclopaedic editors. Kevin McE ( talk) 06:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
For anyone interested, I have a compact video of the second leg on the IC68 page. You will be surprised at how cynical the British thinking is. When they said that Estudiantes played like savages, I went through hell and back to find a good, clear video of the match itself. Unsurprisingly, Estudiantes played smart, efficient, rough when needed but fair. On the other hand, Manchester thought they were in a boxing match as the video clearly shows two British players punching the Argentines. The last punch, after the final whistle, was a real thing from a coward. Disgusting, really.
Manchester had a good and talented team, yes. But their mentality was weak. They instigated the deragatory actions of the match and they, themselves, lost it when Estudiantes didn't give in to their provocations; thus, they fell apart on their own doing. Estudiantes clearly won the tactical and physical matches in that game.
Now I see why the British created those wild rumors during the match and tried to hide what really happen with exagerrated claims and even solid lies: the crap I saw on that video is embarrassing to the sport! Manchester was then, right down to their bones, a really dirty team. Jamen Somasu ( talk) 17:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
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Manchester was then, right down to their bones, a really dirty team, with a bunch of neanderthals disguising themselves as fans.
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Per old discussion such list should replaced by category. And the list itself did not cite and had some hoax/red link player. Matthew_hk t c 05:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
I wanted to let everyone know that we now have distinct season categories for leagues and clubs. So if you want to find a club's season article or see how many club season articles exist for a given season – along as it exists and is categorized correctly – you should be able to track it down through the category tree here, though as editors I most importantly wanted to let you know of this new category tree so that new club season articles can be categorized properly.
The "Association football seasons by year" category had previously only been populated by league seasons – which are now the contents of the "Domestic association football league seasons by year" sub-category. I then created a new sub-category of "Association football club seasons by year" and populated it, creating many club season categories along the way. We are still in need of a category for "Domestic association football cup seasons by year" (or some approximate title) if anyone wants to tackle it, but I'm a little tired of this type of project for right now. This project took me almost 500 edits and two days to organize and implement. I know that this whole thing was very CreatorElf of me, but what can I say. Happy editing. JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 21:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
At some point, somebody decided to move all the league seasons from the format Moravian Premier League 2008-09 to the format 2008-09 Moravian Premier League. This should have resulted in the templates all being edited so that they link directly to the new form - otherwise the bolding of the current article doesn't work. This has not happened. It is both annoying and unprofessional for a template to link to a redirect, but it's obviously an enormous task. Could a bot be designed to do this? john k ( talk) 22:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I just chanced across historicalkits.co.uk Perhaps it would be worth adding a link from each club's page, to the relevant page on that site for example the page on West Bromwich Albion. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:49, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
An enthusiastic IP has changed the format of the players section here. I believe a consensus was reached that the style shown there wasn't the way to go but I couldn't find the discussion on it. Am I Correct? I didn't want to revert it all without providing a reference to my reasoning. I probably need to take the article in question off my watchlist for a while because its been a magnet for petty IP changes recently and its been getting on my nerves. Argyle 4 Life talk 12:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Go on Findmypast.com and search the surname "Heskey" under the year 1978. Do you see what I see? Mattythewhite ( talk) 01:01, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know the protocol for using websites that require subscriptions as references or external links in articles? The ones I commonly see are playerhistory.com and bdfa.com.ar, both of which show some content to non-subscribers, but certainly not all of it. Often, there is no better source for statistics than these types of sites, but I wanted to make sure it is actually appropriate to link to them (would WP be viewed as promoting their business). Best regards. Jogurney ( talk) 14:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
The following is an exchange which took place at Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests and is copied here for comments regarding the source of potentially Copyvio data. Any help appreciated
A whole series of articles have been created such as 2001–02 Welsh Alliance League, 1996–97 Welsh Alliance League, 1993–94 Welsh Alliance League etc. going back from last year to 1993 -1994. The articles are hardly encyclopaedic but probably innocuous. However , the main part of each article is a table which has been lifted wholesale from another web-site - http://www.seasidersattic.co.uk/league-stats.php - (select view against an entry to see the relevant table). The web-site disclaimer says quite clearly
"... Feel free to lift any information you may want to but please acknowledge that it came from www.seasidersattic.co.uk. Thank you."
but it does not provide any more information about any licensing conditions that apply to the information. In fairness to the articles creator, the web-site is acknowledged in the text (but presumably could be edited out by a later editor). I only came across these articles following an earlier differences of opinion with the author on a different subject, and I have no wish to jump in and be perceived as wiki-stalking and would therefore welcome guidance as to the acceptability of this material and its licensing status. Velela Velela Talk 14:22, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
To my knowledge there is no such licensing agreement. I've notified onshore ( talk · contribs), the author of the articles in question, of this discussion. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 18:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
May I point out that the 2009-10 Welsh Alliance League was not created by me and all I have contributed to that page is the description at the beginning of the page to say it was the 26th Season of the Welsh Alliance League that began in 1984 and worked around the wording that was originally there.
With regard to the comments above I see that it has concluded and I presume everything is now satisfactory. Thank you to Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) on contacting notifying me about this discussion. -- Onshore ( talk) 21:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Dear Velela I can not understand as to why you are having issues with the league tables that I have created for the previous seasons of the Welsh Alliance League. I have noticed that you have now accepted the 2009-10 Welsh Alliance League as "OKAY" once I pointed out that I did not create that page/article. The previous league tables I have created are within Wikipedia's guidelines and have been sourced correctly. In the past I have created league tables for the Cymru Alliance and some for the Welsh Premier League. As you see from the other comments above that I have done everything satisfactory to Wikipedia's guidelines. I hope that you are not arising these issues as a personal attack against everything I contribute to here on Wikipedia as I understand that we had a dispute over Bangor over the weekend.
Also I would like to ask why a "This article does not cite any references or sources." box has appeared on the 1997–98 Welsh Alliance League page? As whoever has placed that on the page can see there is a source relating to the league table of that season. -- Onshore ( talk) 09:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I have a couple of questions about some recent changes to the Boca Juniors article.
I've long wondered this, but why do some clubs have dots in their names, and others not? I've always held off asking because I didn't see it as much of an issue, but having started extensive renovation work on List of top-division football clubs in UEFA countries, I thought I might as well raise the point. The inconsistency between countries (and in one or two cases within them) is noticeable there, with no obvious reason or rhyme to it. -- W F C-- 21:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Could someone have a look at Template:FAI referees and change the colours so the names are visible? I'm getting a headache just thinking about it. Jared Preston ( talk) 22:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
We currently have quite a couple of domestic cup final articles such as 2010 FA Cup Final, either in the "[year] in association football" or in the "[season] domestic association football cups" categories. Since this is a little inconsistent, where should we collect these articles? There are three possibilities which probably would make sense:
Opinions, ideas, comments? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 09:14, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
There appears to be a discrepancy with Frank Hill's date of death. The article claims that he died in California in June 1993 although this is unsourced. However, his biography in my Burnley F.C. history book (Simpson, Ray (2007). The Clarets Chronicles: The Definitive History of Burnley Football Club 1882–2007. ISBN 978-0-9557468-0-2.) says that he died in Luton, Bedfordshire in June 1970. Apart from this, all the other details seem to correspond. I don't know which date is correct, and I was about to make a WP:BOLD edit and change it but I thought I would check first to see if anyone else could shed more light on it. Cheers, Big Dom 20:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
IP 71.210.185.112 is deleting the information indicating that “IFFHS is not recognized by FIFA” when in fact it is (cfr. here, here and here) because, among other things, FIFA gives logistical support (Source: Rafa Jiménez, IFFHS: La calculadora del fútbol. Don Balón (1656), 9/15 julio 2007, p.50). I request the intervention of an administrator, thank you.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 19:10, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
The following matter could deserve a look or two: according to the pertinent infobox, this Romanian club name is "S.C. Sporting Club S.A. Vaslui", SC VASLUI for short. However, the WP name says FC VASLUI. Moreover, some users which don't write summaries to explain (as so many in the site, more than 50%), all of them editing from that country, have been reverting, thus creating redirects to SC VASLUI any players which play for the team.
Is the current WP name for the club the correct one. "Something" has to give in. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 01:11, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
There's a nice set of Wikipedia-friendly photos on Flickr from a recent Spurs training session: http://www.flickr.com/photos/apasciuto/sets/72157624383308573/ Any idea who this young player may be? Thanks. -- Mosmof ( talk) 03:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
This article was in the Good Article nominations queue, and after reviewing it I found that the nominator has been indefinitely blocked in the time since he listed it. It seems like an article that is close to GA quality, so I am hoping an interested member of the Football project can address the concerns I have raised at Talk:Copa Libertadores/GA1. Thanks, Reso lute 20:13, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
I have just created the article on Alan Hill (footballer born 1943), who played for Barnsley, Rotherham & Forest in the 60s. Two other players by this name also played in the post-war period - a fullback for Wrexham (1974-1983) and an amateur winger for Tranmere (1956-1957). Does anyone have birth years for the two latter players for disambiguation? Cheers, Giant Snowman 01:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I checked the archive and couldn't find any mention of this. Guess what the most viewed DYK in wikipedia history is? And just look at the margin between that and the second most viewed entry! -- W F C-- 04:09, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
The obvious choice is at the root article, but having just created an article on the 'keeper George A. Best, I realised there isn't a George Best (disambiguation) page for the several George Bests that have existed ( George Best (clergyman), for example). If anyone has a few minutes on their hands, I think such a page would be welcomed. - Dudesleeper talk 23:20, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Willie Irvine/archive1 is at FA, is the general consensus of this project to use imperial and then metric for UK footballers? Fasach Nua ( talk)
In about May, someone added their attempt at this season's Birmingham City F.C. home shirt, which at the time I removed as it was still 2009/10. I've reinstated it now, but the V on the shirt is totally the wrong shape, should be much shallower, more of a thick stripe with a dip than an actual V. See image at club shop site. I've had a look through the existing patterns but can't find anything better. If anyone could be so kind as to create something closer to the correct shape, it would be very much appreciated. thanks, Struway2 ( talk) 08:39, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, but I do not know English well. I hope you understand me. So, is possible to make a bot which would update statistics in Premier League players' articles (only in infoboxes) according to Soccerbase? Then, that articles will be more up to date. What do you think about that idea? PS. ( talk) 10:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
There is a discussion going on between myself and User:Hoising at Talk:Football at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament regarding whether or not we should refer to Dong Fangzhuo by his full name or just his surname in the {{ footballbox}} template. Since there was only one player with the surname "Dong" in the Chinese squad at the 2008 Olympics, it seemed to make sense to me to leave out Dong's given name, but Hoising is claiming that it is disrespectful or something to refer to him simply by his first name. Would someone else care to venture an opinion on this matter before the whole thing descends into farce? – Pee Jay 09:45, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
There is a discussion at the talk page of the French task force regarding the naming of pre- Ligue 1 and pre- Ligue 2 season articles as the naming of these is currently inconsistent. Any input on this topic would be welcome.
The reason for this RfC also stems from the fact that BigDom ( talk · contribs) is currently the sole representant of this task force, despite mulitple invitations to other suitable members. If someone wants to join forces with him, please sign up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/France task force. Thank you. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 09:21, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
goes to Herbert Lyon. - Dudesleeper talk 00:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Is there a correct way to name a player in the squad template? I'm involved in a discussion here, but lack responses. I would like to gain consensus before reverting related articles. My thoughts are that the title name of a players article should be correct entry, anything else should be detailed on the specific players article. Examples of the different approach were seen here and here. I appreciate your views. Thanks. gonads 3 17:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Teammates, me again,
This is clearly the place to report this, as these two "users" operate solely on football. Don't fret, i have also tipped an administrator, but the problem is he may not be into (i am almost sure he is not) the "ways of soccer", so it would be harder for him to grasp (some) stuff.
1 - Portuguese (as i) User:Pitadodocu: clearly a S.L. Benfica fan, who will add nonsense in articles even when boxes and links say different (like in Nélson Oliveira, see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=N%C3%A9lson_Oliveira&diff=prev&oldid=375034526; or in Artur Futre, a player which was now playing in the regional leagues of Portugal, see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Artur_Futre&diff=375721700&oldid=375036359), only to make a given player look like Cristiano Ronaldo - i bet he, as anon, was the one who created Futre's article, with the results you can see in the article's history.
He also has no English skills whatsoever, and writes no summaries and does not respond to messages. Some of his behaviour is thus, clearly close to vandalism IMO.
2 - Another compatriot: User:Alexanderalgrim creates tons of Portuguese players, obscure or not, from the top division to the fourth - only boxes and links though, no storyline (wait i'm not finished). He also does not write summaries or respond to messages. Regarding the latter, i have done following with him: he creates redirects with the link Midfielder, writing instead Midfielder (association football). I have told him twice the correct link, he says "talk to the hand".
When i said i warned an admin, it was only about the first user, not the second, clearly not a vandal in any way, just that it is "heatbreaking" to talk to somebody which is, apparently, on the same boat, and does not want to paddle for one minute. PITADODOCOCU, watch out, he could be a liability. I told you this so you would know what to expect if the occasion to work with this "pair" arises. Cheers - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 01:55, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
As far as the messages, no i did not leave any messages in the first user's talkpage. For what, so he would not answer, as the second did after three approaches? And, about the latter, when i said tons, i meant a lot, don't know why you picked on me on that (and no, he did not write "Midfielder (association football)" 5,6 times, he writes it everytime he creates an article of a player in said position)...Of course we should warn/talk about with every editor about his procedures and try to help them develop as a Wikipedian, but what if there are no replies?
I just wanted to help, as in (please see above) "I told you this so you would know what to expect if the occasion to work with this "pair" arises", simple as that. I am sorry if i caused any incovenience and/or did not proceed according to site regulations. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 16:12, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
The website is here, the code for the Wikipedia league is 273119-138678, two weeks to go lads! Giant Snowman 14:21, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
What happened to the FS template? Instead of showing the three-letter FIFA trigramme in the squad list it's now showing the entire country name, which is messing with the row alignment. If this is an intentional change, it look horrific. -- JonBroxton ( talk) 22:46, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
The discussion about the template is here btw. -- JonBroxton ( talk) 07:12, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted the change to the template so a wider discussion can take place before controversial changes (per WP:BRD). See Template talk:Football squad player for the main discussion location. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 08:57, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
For the record, using admin powers in a dispute you are involved in is a blatant abuse of the tools. Instead of pandering to the views of a project he was a member of and implementing his POV, Number 57 should have contacted another uninvolved admin. I won't say any more on the matter, but it needed saying.
The easiest way to meet the competing requirements is a very simple one. Remove {{ fs mid}} if there are aesthetic problems. By definition, for this table to be causing trouble, either one column must be taking up significantly more than half the screen, or both columns must be unusually long. Common sense examples of when to column/not to column can be found here. -- W F C-- 21:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Just to add something extra to this discussion. An MOS violation oppose vote was added to the Manchester United FAC candidacy discussion because of the flags. As a result of this change, the vote has been wiped out. The original comment was that without country names, the templates fall foul of Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)#Accompany flags with country names. 91.106.116.29 ( talk) 21:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
The reversion in question, and what can be done to make the templates comply with WP:MOSFLAG#Accompany flags with country names or if there are other alternatives has been started with Template talk:Football squad player#RFC: Changes to Football squad templates to comply with WP:MOSFLAG. Jappalang ( talk) 22:00, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
I've just come across this horrible template, which is used on the Al-Ahly page. I assume that this is not the way forwards, right? Ilikeeatingwaffles ( talk) 12:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Hello my name is Enb17 (Aaron Nielsen) I'm a professional soccer statistician with over 20 years experience and have worked with all the major companies in sports tabulation including Stats Inc., OPTA, Infostrada Sports. In 1992 my company started recording detailed statistical information for the English Premier League and currently record detailed information for over 50 leagues and tournaments World Wide. For upcoming season we have decided to make this information available to the public domain and are launching four sites in regards to the English Premier League, German Bundesliga, Italian Serie A, and Spanish La Liga. We've already launch the first site EPLinfo.com and the others hope to be available in early September.
I would like to make all Wikipedia editors aware that this information is available to help with your submissions and I was also planning on adding links to each player on wikipedia and a reciprocal link on the site (since EPLinfo is just data and has no written information about the player). An associate of mine runs/owns baseball-reference.com and my goal with these sites is to provide the same resource and relationship with wikipedia that he has in regards to Major League Baseball.
I very much appreciate the work you have done and would love to assist where I can be useful although with the time it takes to tabulate all the information it’s hard to also manually add it to the corresponding wiki page so I thought a direct link seems like the best option. I’m open to suggestions and overall I hope you find the information both exciting as fan of the game and useful in your endeavor.
Feel free to contact me on my wiki talk or via email at enbsports@gmail.com to request any information and discuss my idea further.
Cheers
Enb17 ( talk) 01:01, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Struway2 ( talk) Thank you for your response and I fully understand your point of view. Although I would argue that data is based on its accuracy and quality and not its time of publishing. The truth is the information I'm associated with has been on the internet since 1996 ( http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/5f54b1dabff2acb/3dc896a7726be93f?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=enb+sports+statistics+1996 ) and has been referenced multiple times on Wikipedia just under other projects I worked for at the time.
The reason there is difficulty providing proper references to soccer/football information is companies such as Opta and the Premier League itself keep the data hidden from the public to maintain its publishing value. Since I'm based out of North America and see the role statistics play in North America sports I thought it was time to make this information available to public to help grow its interest. These sites are designed to provide a statistical alternative to what people perceive what is out there (ie what soccerbase provides). So I thought the link would be appropriate to provide the user this option.
That being said I respect Wikipedia and your guidelines and won't go out of my way to interfere with the general principles of the site. Cheers 14:09, 30 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enb17 ( talk • contribs)
Hi everybody, despite I'm not a native english speaker, I think that the article concerning Chapman is very good and would deserve at least a GA status; in fact it's been translated in russian and german and achieved such honour. The page received even a peer review, but unfortunately its author is no longer collaborating on Wikipedia, so I think that WikiProject Football should take care of its promotion. Sorry for my broken english. Greetings. -- 82.59.56.200 ( talk) 11:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
@BigDom: Surely I can't say that section is huge, however not even the article dealing with Bobby Robson (which was recognized as a FA) contains a chapter about the playing career particulary vaste. Also it's necessary to consider that Chapman played more than one hundred years back, so I assume that a slight lack of informations can't be avoided, beacuse it's pretty hard to know everything about a such pioneeristic era. As for the stats written in italic, I see no problem to write them in the ordinary fashion. Regards, -- 87.6.114.143 ( talk) 15:45, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone involved with WP:Footy have any experience with football year books by Gabriel Mantz? I was looking at purchasing some recently to help with a project but I can find no reviews and don't know whether they are accurate.
TheBigJagielka ( talk) 15:46, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
User:AhMeD BoSS is blanking my contributions to FC Barcelona. Have anyone else had problems with this user before? Sandman888 ( talk) Latest FLC 18:46, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Some editors have recently been creating categories such as Category:2010–11 in Serie A. It's only filled with club season articles – as are all other years in Serie A categories seen here – but we already have Category:Italian football clubs 2010–11 season for that purpose. As far as I can tell, almost every other country has one category for season articles; the only exceptions are leagues like MLS and the A-League, where the leagues aren't part of a pyramid or national structure. There was also a recent SPEEDY that was declined on Template:2009-10 in Serie A even though Template:2009–10 in Italian football already exists. Do we want to segregate out Serie A from the rest of Italian football, or do these categories and nav templates need to be integrated back into the "Italian football" categories? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 12:47, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi fellow football maniacs. I come from the Spanish Wikipedia, and there, despite having a rule analogue to WP:COMMONNAME, clubs' articles are always named after their full official name (for example: Atlético Rafaela? NO, its es:Asociación Mutual Social y Deportiva Atlético de Rafaela; Deportivo Español? NO, its es:Club Social, Deportivo y Cultural Español de la República Argentina). When raised the issue, the answer was that they've reached a consensus not to follow the rule because official names "sounded more serious".
Anyway, my question is: is there any such consensus here? I want to launch a page-moving cruzade in all Argentine lower leagues' clubs' articles but wouldn't enjoy being reverted. Thanks for your answer. Regards. Fache ( talk) 21:02, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
His contract expired, and eventually, he signed a new one. Technically he was a free agent for a little while, but to have two rows in his infobox, as if these are different spells with Liverpool, is just silly. ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 00:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Who does tj moncur play for now?, Gobbleswoggler ( talk) 21:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Teammates, excuse me for being such "a pain in the proverbial backside", but after seeing some developments in the subject, i think it really needs to be (further) discussed...
As i brought up here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_45#To_cat_or_not_to_cat), User:Kolins and i have been having some friendly "run-ins" about (expatriate mainly) cats in players. Now, in Marcos Senna, i found he did something completely illogical: a SPANISH EXPATRIATE FOOTBALLER?!? He was never such, when he played in Brazil, he WAS Brazilian, really hard to graps this concept...
Also, in the same original discussion, mate Chris Cunningham pointed out that "...the national categories reflect this "sporting nationality" nonsense exclusively right now...". So, in the light of this approach, Kolins is right? As Groucho Marx once put it, looking at a contract: "Easy, piece of cake, even a five-year old would understand it" (ten seconds later) "Quickly, go fetch me a five-year old, i can't make anything of this!"... Cheers - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
To define somebody as an expatriate, their homeland (patria) must be clearly identifiable. As has been discussed here many many times before, for many people, and therefore for many footballers, it is not that simple. Benjamín Zarandona won an U21 Euro championship with Spain, the land of his birth, but since he represented another country, he has now been listed as an expatriate in Spain: this is clearly nonsense. Is an English player at Cardiff an expatriate? A Welshman at Hereford United? An English-born player with Scottish parents at Partick Thistle? A player born in Dresden pre 1990 at Dusseldorf? A Slovakian born pre-1990 at Sparta Prague? Does someone cease to be an expatriate by acquiring citizenship? Does such a person remain on the list on the grounds that he once met the criteria? Ill-defined, and therefore encyclopaedically indefensible. Kevin McE ( talk) 09:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to say that the "expatriate" category is very useful to find players for whom to play abroad is not an usual case and probably not necessary at all for the football-exporting countries. The North Korean one, for example, is extremely curious while the Brazilian one will probably feature some 80% of the country's footballers. — WiJG ? 16:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Anyone able to give their 2¢ over this way, please? Was heading towards an edit war, which naturally I wanted to avoid, so started a discussion. It's not really the most visible page, though, so yet to get any kind of responses. It's a horribly minor issue but one that I'd rather be resolved. Cheers! AllynJ ( talk | contribs) 11:23, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Anyone interested in reviewing Featured Article nominations might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Willie Irvine/archive1, or it's likely that it might be archived due to a lack of reviewers. All comments, supports or indeed opposes are welcome. Cheers, Big Dom 17:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Look at that monstrosity! Can't for the life in me understand why it's been made to look like that, with the forced line breaks. If there's no objection, I'll convert it into a more conventional style. Cheers, Big Dom 17:47, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Malawi changed its flag on 28 July 2010. As such, {{
flagicon|Malawi}}
now shows the new flag (
). However, for football results etc. as these are past events these should show the oldvariant {{
flagicon|Malawi|1964}}
(
). I attempted to run AWB on all articles with years in the title to run through and fix this. However, I'm unable to code an easy replace "{{[flag template]|Malawi}}" with "{{[flag template]|Malawi|1964}} because football articles use other templates such as {{
TwoLegResult}}
. As such I, personally, am unable to run something that could decide which team is being reffered to and then add var1=1964
or var2=1964
. If anyone is better than me and could write a semi-automatic run that would be great. Otherwise, hopefully this will raise awareness of the fact and people can change flag variants as they find them. Best,
Rambo's Revenge
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(leaving case sensitive unchecked), it would be possible to do a mass run. That said it would be complicated, would have to be done in two stages (one for home teams, second for away) and would involve a brute-force method for home teams. Obviously there will be several templates, but the basic principles of that AWB run would remain true of other templates, so it just might be worth the hassle. --
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Please will someone review the rating of this article on its talk page. Thank you. -- Dweller ( talk) 09:43, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Is "Shamrock Rovers" singular or plural? -- Exorcist Z ( talk) 20:49, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering if there was a guide out there for the creation of kit templates, or perhaps a more comprehensive list of those currently available. This seems to be massively underused and is the only thing I can find that comes close to a list of available templates. Previous calls for help have gone unnoticed here amongst other places. Omgosh30 ( talk) 21:47, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
{{ sent off}} sort of doesn't work when placed into {{ footballbox}} or {{ footballbox collapsible}}.
Compare:
date time round |
team 1 | 0 – 0 | team 2 | stadium Attendance: attendance Referee: referee |
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player 10' player 30', 60' |
report | player
20', 40' player 90' |
as opposed to:
date time round |
team 1 | 0 – 0 | team 2 | stadium Attendance: attendance Referee: referee |
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player 60' player 70' |
report | player 40' player 90' |
In the former instance there is a minor inaccuracy with the vertical alignment of the goalscorers and the players cautioned. Where's the problem? -- Theurgist ( talk) 13:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
I used the substitution function to display the above footballboxes to ensure the problem against becoming invisible here when already fixed. -- Theurgist ( talk) 21:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
That stuff above got too long when viewed at the edit screen. Here is it again, without substitution:
Compare:
team 1 | 0 – 0 | team 2 |
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player 10' player 30' 60' |
report | player 20' 40' player 90' |
as opposed to:
team 1 | 0 – 0 | team 2 |
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player 60' player 70' |
report | player 40' player 90' |
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team 1 | 4 – 2 | team 2 |
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Buckley 10', 13', 26' Graham 85' |
report | player 40' player 90' |
I make this suggestion in good faith, although I accept that it might not be well received. Never start a sentence with "Serious issues" and end it with " WP:MOSICONS". Doing so serves to undermine the otherwise legitimate points that you are making. Moving on, I don't share your opinion on {{ goal}} and {{ sent off}}, as demonstrated below. You do however make a very important point on accessibility. {{ goal}} and {{ yel}} need to be made as accessable as {{ sent off}}. -- W F C-- 15:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
team 1 | 4 – 1 | team 2 |
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Buckley: goals 10', 13', 26' Graham: goal 85' |
report | (player): goal 40' (player): booked 57', booked and sent off 84' |
Longshot I know, but I was wondering if someone had anything to write about this competition. I doubt it's notable and don't intend to write an article, I'm just looking for a sentence or so to write about it, with a source. Presumably there have been a few competitions with this name, so for clarity I'm talking about the competition that ran in England between 1910 and 1915 (possibly earlier and later, but certainly during that period). I know that Brighton and Hove Albion won the competition in 1910, which might help.
Thanks in advance, -- W F C-- 18:30, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
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My record books show that Southampton played in this tournament between 1902-03 and 1913-14, winning it in 1908 (beating Portsmouth 1-0) and reaching two other finals, losing 2-0 to Tottenham Hotspur in 1907 and Coventry City 1-0 in 1914. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 18:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Any help welcome .. I am looking to add to articles or add new articles but would like to know;-
1/ What is a notable match in Wiki terms? There are a number of matches which could have their own articles but I don't want to put in the effort if they don't pass 'match notability'. Is there such a thing?
2/ Are pictures of the front of football programs copyright? Again I have a number of these which could be added to articles but need to know how Wiki handles these in copyright terms.
Anyone know - Thanks.
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Template:AFC Asian Cup winners has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:50, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Would someone with access to the Michael Joyce Football League Players Records book be able to add stats to Wilfred Crompton. I may have missed some of his clubs; the book I used only gives his teams immediately before and after leaving Burnley. Thanks in advance, Big Dom 18:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Template:Hong Kong League Selection squad has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
A rather petty edit war is starting to form on Dávid Gróf and I would be grateful for some opinions on the matter in question. I believe the image on the article should be resized so to stop the infobox from being stretched and to stop the gap between the "Apps" and "(Gls)" columns from being unnecessarily wide. Cheers, Mattythewhite ( talk) 19:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Admittedly a bad example, as being an idiot with images I completely botched the job. But surely the image at the bottom is a better illustration than the one at the top? -- W F C-- 19:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC) (Help getting the bottom image to the same resolution as the original would be gratefully received. -- W F C-- 19:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC))
Jonesy, I think you are getting an overly hard time here. I've seen a lot of your work, and 90+% of the time you get the cropping spot on. Watford pages lack pictures as it is, due to a combination of copyright, my incompetence with a camera and the position of my exceptionally cheap seat. If it wasn't for you, the image situation would be ten times worse. The point people are trying to make is that there are times when the background is just that- background. But there are other times when it's genuinely distracting, such as the example I have given above. Your caption was an overreaction, but if we were to lose as prolific a photographer as yourself, we would be the real fruitcakes. -- W F C-- 23:41, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Jonesy is likely going to find himself on the end of a 3RR, see 3RR ban discussion, unless the situation is clarified. Koncorde ( talk) 07:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Could we produce an external link template for the profiles of German footballers at the database http://www.fussballdaten.de/ like we have on the German and Italian language Wikipedias? Something similar to, say, Template:Soccerbase? I know that Fussballdaten doesn't have player IDs in their URLs (for example: Franz Beckenbauer's profile), but it's a very useful site for statistics and seeing that the Bundesliga is gaining in popularity, it would be nice to have similar links with the same wording in the footballers' biographies under the external links section. Would anyone be willing to help me with this idea or is there no consensus for this? Jared Preston ( talk) 14:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Is fussballdaten.de a reliable source now then? Madcynic ( talk) 11:26, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
An increasingly common habit seems to be background colour coding of match lists according to their results, like this. At least this example has a key: others do not. Does this have any consensus or is there any desire for this convention to be allowed to become established? Personally, I'm agin: it looks garish, wins are easily identified by the score, and the likelihood of being left with no key is high. (Not quite sure why an icon of a ball is considered a relevant icon for the timings of a goal in that table either, but that's a different matter) Kevin McE ( talk) 13:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Why not have a hidden sortable row? Gnevin ( talk) 14:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry guys, we have a little debate about this Cup. We are searching for some sources which state that the eventual play-off between Manchester United and Estudiantes would have been played in Amsterdam. Till now I've found those ones:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/carousel/ITV/European.html
http://www.linguasport.com/futbol/internacional/clubes/intercontinental/inter68.htm
Does anybody know something more about this matter? PLEASE: IT'S VERY IMPORTANT!!-- VAN ZANT ( talk) 18:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
ClubOranje, many thanks for your attention ;-) -- VAN ZANT ( talk) 14:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anybody have a date of birth for a William Wood, who was born in Blackburn and played for Blackburn Rovers before joining Burnley in March 1933? Perhaps the Joyce book will provide an answer. Note that Burnley already had a player called William Wood, born in 1910, playing for them at the same time so I need a date of birth for the other before I can create an article. Cheers, Big Dom 09:18, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I see that Michael Joyce's website at www.allfootballers.com is still unavailable. Does anyone have any news? Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 10:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Can someone sort out the redirect for Jason Steele to Jason Steele (politician) to presumably a disambig page, and then also move Jason Steele (footballer born 1990) to Jason Steele (footballer). Ta. 93.174.8.253 ( talk) 14:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Just to let you know, the reason why i didnt create it as a (footballer) page was because it wouldn't let me as there had been to many deleted articles for him already xxx Parklands_Cobbler ( talk) 01:49, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Am I right in believing we have a consensus that a player's national team only belongs in the infobox once he actually plays for it? So we wouldn't add a national team with current year and zero appearances, as soon as the player receives a squad call-up. I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I can't find where. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 12:30, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Just updating Template:FC Ingolstadt 04 squad and there are players with the family name of Hartmann. Normally, I would include the first initial and a period, but in this case, one player is Manuel Hartmann and the other is Moritz Hartmann. So what to do in this situation? I decided to go with full names. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:49, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Can someone please create pages for football clubs and create pages for the seperate leagues in the amatuar league Mayo & District League and edit the page its not up to scratch? Dooniver ( talk) 11:24, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
The English season kicks off shortly, with Norwich City v Watford.
I've been working on developing Carrow Road, the venue for tonight's game, with an aim to getting it to Featured status. Your edits are welcome, and comments at the talk page, where I've also posed some questions where I'm unsure or want consensus for how the article should develop.
Happy new season to you all. Even Ipswich fans. -- Dweller ( talk) 18:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
This article, about the England v Scotland match on 31 March 1928 has multiple issues, most especially the tone and poor referencing. Is there anyone who fancies taking it on and re-writing it? Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello, can anybody please upload logo for FK Gäncä from here http://yalli.az/Khayal/albums/2271/40675 I tried to upload but due I am not sure how to upload logo's or give it right license, I am having problems and my files get removed.-- NovaSkola ( talk) 06:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
http://www.azerisport.com/images/articles/2010/08/04/thumb210_20100804013939919.jpg
-- NovaSkola ( talk) 10:43, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me if Mainland Premier League counts as a Fully professional league ?
I'm asking because I was looking at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamish Lewis and I'm not clear whether this player meets WP:ATHLETE as a pro; I'd think this league was pro, but IDK. Chzz ► 17:11, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
There are three examples at the above category page (namely England, Scotland, Wales) where a full list of all internationals to have played for that country exists as an article (with players listed in alphabetical order) but the article name is given an '(alphabetical)' suffix, whereas there is also an alternative page that only lists players who have reached a set threshold of caps, but this latter page is not given any suffix. As an example see List of England international footballers (alphabetical) and List of England international footballers, the latter only listing players with 30 caps or more. I would like to either make the 'complete' listings the master article (with no suffix), and a suffix be added to the qualified list, or for a suffix to be added to both lists, as this would be a more accurate descriptor of what the pages are.
Additionally I would like to ask an admin to move the page history of List of Wales international footballers to List of Wales international footballers (alphabetical) following recent changes, although hopefully this would only need to be done as a short term measure, depending on people's views on the above.
Please note I am the original creator of the Wales page (the one now called 'alphabetical'). Eldumpo ( talk) 19:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Looking at his stats in my trusty copy of Joyce, Wally Akers' three games for Mansfield can only possibly be the three games played at the start of the 1939–40 season, which was abandoned because of the outbreak of war. Joyce says that he included these games in players' stats "for completeness". Should they be in the player's infobox......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 06:14, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Are there other sources than Joyce out there for player stats info from that era, and if not, shouldn't we be going with the published/verifiable information that we have i.e. whereby 1939-40 games are included as regular fixtures? Eldumpo ( talk) 08:00, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
This page lists the nominations [2] but I can't seem to find out who won the other awards other than the Young player of the year going to Eto'o. Can anyone help? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 13:52, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Folks, what to make of this, in Francisco Jiménez Tejada's "PRIVATE LIFE"? It is referenced, but it seems a bit unencyclopedical and bordering on the opportunistic (the "i hate Xisco as a player, now i have references to make him look bad" attitude), in my opinion.
I remember roughly one year ago, when Guti had the same (similar) stuff inserted in his article. I clearly remember someone removed the (referenced) bit saying it was unencyclopedical. What is your opinion? Free your mind! - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 16:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
But a few things: 1. Seems to break Original Research and Wikipedia is Not News. 2. He is kissing a few guys but there is no evidence this was a gay pride event or even it was that he wasn't just there with some friends. 3. Usually supposed to wait until someone comes out before labelling them as a homosex.
If it made it into the national media then it is worth a mention.-- EchetusXe 13:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
The WP:Milhist project has several sub-projects set on specific targets, e.g. the Majestic Titan which aims to have every battleship in one large featured topic. On the project page you can easily see the progress and primary editors, which makes cooperation easy.
I would therefore like to suggest that Footy set up equal projects which aims to improve specific areas of wp:footy. These could be;
Sandman888 ( talk) Latest FLC 07:17, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
After commenting on Argyle POY, I feel there should be a larger debate on the issue. The player of the years lists should in my opinion be done with as they a content forks of a "list of players". It can easily be indicated on the list of players who where player of the year. As an independent article on the phenomena "player of the year" those would more often than not, not meet the notability criteria of an article. Sandman888 ( talk) Latest FLC 07:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Now I don't follow this to closely but I believe I recall correctly (and {{ Football kit}} seems to agree) that we don't include sponsors or manufacturers on the kits in the infobox. I really see no advantage of this over this so I delved a little deeper. There seem to have been a spate of uploads recently, and there might be other users doing similar things. My question is, do we try and stop these uploads, do nominate redundant/over specific ones for deletion etc. The deletion aspect, especially, sounds like a lot of work and I suspect that is why no-one has done anything thus far. Thoughts? Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
-- W F C-- 11:47, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
recently a very well-intentioned IP editor has made significant changes to the league tables on 2009–10 Lega Pro Prima Divisione, 2009–10 Lega Pro Seconda Divisione, and 2009–10 Serie D. the tables have been changed to show the final fate of each team in the league; many of these low-level teams in Italy have declared bankruptcy well after the completion of the season and have been reassigned to amateur divisions. to me, the tables have become almost unreadable, and at a glance only indicate that low-level Italian football is seriously messed up, not how the leagues were supposed to function. is there policy on this? i only reverted one of the IP's changes, on 2009–10 Serie B, where they had changed the qualification column to indicate that the playoff winner had directly won promotion. —Ed Cormany ( talk) 15:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Im asking for second opinions on the quality scale of Anel Raskaj, Halmstads BK, in my personal opinion its either C or B, asks for others opinions as im the original creater of the article. --> Halmstad, Charla to moi 22:06, 6 August 2010 ( UTC)
Would someone be able to have a look at the lead for this? I'm in the middle of work on the technical side of it (images, alt text, sorting etc). I think the explanation of what countries are and aren't in the list are good, but I'm quite stumped at how to do a succinct lead introducing 50+ separate leagues. Thanks in advance, -- W F C-- 01:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
As a supporter of a lower league team, the articles of my heroes are free from the extremes of fancruft and there are few cup-finals and heavily promoted pre-season tours to be distracted by. But because of an interest in things Ecuadorian, Antonio Valencia found his way onto my watchlist some time ago. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that Man Utd players receive a lot of "overenthusiastic" edits, but is there any consensus as to where we draw the line at inclusion of goals and appearances? I can happily accept debut, first (competitive) goal, first goal in European competition, appearances and goals in major finals or season defining matches. Various editors have wanted to include every pre-season friendly goal and appearance, a description of the manner of scoring of each goal he has for the team, and now a goal in the glorified friendly that is the Community Shield. I would argue that if each goal he got for Wigan and El Nacional did not need noting, then neither do his Manchester United ones, but to enforce this, I would end up in an editwar. Does one just abandon all senior players' articles at such high profile clubs to those who mistake Wikipedia for Twitter, perhaps with the hope of restoring some order and proportion after they retire and drop off the attention span of the masses, or is there a standard or example of best practice to which we can refer those who fail to distinguish between an encyclopaedia and a fansite? Where do we draw the line? Kevin McE ( talk) 10:41, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distillery_F.C.
How can Distillery have played Dundela in December 1880 when Dundela's page states club founding in 1895? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.206.64 ( talk) 21:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I was wondering how to search more effectively for football photographs on Flickr. I found this photo and some others and I think the licensing allows us to use it. That Getty Images confuses me though.-- EchetusXe 11:08, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello... what websites do you use to reference a player's league appearances and league goals in the InfoBox, especially played outside the UK football league? The reason I ask is, I am looking at Ricardo Carvalho's SoccerBase entry ( [5]) and I see that his SoccerBase career data and his Wikipedia InfoBox entry don't match.. should SoccerBase be used to update his Wikipedia InfoBox entry (assuming SoccerBase is accurate)?
Also, should his loan appearances and goals for Leça, etc., be replaced with (?) (?) as they do not have a reference? Thanks
JMHamo ( talk) 23:56, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Would an admin mind restoring the Jack Midson, Sam Deering and Danny Philliskirk articles, as they have now made appearances in League Two per this? Cheers, Mattythewhite ( talk) 16:56, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Please note, I'm happy to undelete articles on request, but the onus is on the requestor to ensure the the restored article is up to snuff otherwise I'll end up looking like more of an arse than normal...! The Rambling Man ( talk) 20:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Mike Green (goalkeeper) as per [6] Kingjamie ( talk) 19:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Lest an edit war erupts, i need some assistance with this matter (some Spanish users would REALLY come in handy right now!):
A user with a recent "history" has been changing Javi Martínez's birthplace. I replied to him once that all three external links which appear in the player's page say he was born in Estella-Lizarra (and i add here, as in the user's talkpage, a FOURTH one - please see here http://www.futbolme.com/com/jugadores.asp?id_jugador=3986), including the OFFICIAL website of Athletic Bilbao.
To the contrary "effect", we have his word (and a revert summary which is in no way explicatory - see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Javi_Mart%C3%ADnez&diff=378162667&oldid=378031247), and the Spanish wiki entry. About the latter, one would think that a Spanish piece about a Spanish player would be enough source for validation, but it's not ref'd, who's to say it's a correct insertion?
Please, inputs here, so we can end this discussion before it gets out of hand. Cheers - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
To help address the many requests for photographs People-photo-bot has moved article talk pages from Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of sportspeople to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of association football people if it contains the template {{ WikiProject Football}}. Members of this project are invited to address the requests for images listed. Please note that some articles may now have an appropriate photograph and that the need-image flag has simply not been removed, this can also be checked using the Image Existence Checker link on the category page. If a page has been incorrectly moved please inform me on my talk page.-- Traveler100 ( talk) 17:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone point me to an official definition of a "Foreign Player"? For context, it's in relation to List of foreign Scottish Premier League players which defines a foreign player (in the context of Scotland) as one that was born outside the British Isles? Also related to a discussion here. Thank you. -- HighKing ( talk) 17:28, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
I have come across this article [8] which says:
That was in 2008, i dont know if there has been changes since then, but according to that it doesnt sound like FIFA view English people to be "foreign" when it comes to Scotland and there for nor are people of the Isle of Man and Channel Islands which are not part of the United Kingdom. BritishWatcher ( talk) 19:04, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Are these games really worth of a separate article? I think no. Opinions? -- Angelo ( talk) 08:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
For your interest, I have nominated the two articles above for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tottenham Hotspur F.C. 3–4 Manchester City F.C. and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manchester City F.C. 4–1 Tottenham Hotspur F.C.. -- Angelo ( talk) 10:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Incidentally, does anyone else find it to be slightly double-standards-ish (no personal insult intended, I assure you Angelo) that this debate is going on in parallel with, and yet completely independently from this AfD over the article in question? My point is particularly with emphasis to the view that it seems quite like the AfD will eventually decide for deletion, while this debate appears to be swinging the other way. It seems illogical to allow both processes to go on at the same time, and especially when an admin will eventually swing the axe as a result of that AfD and with no reference to this debate. We should have one combined discussion on this point in general, or we should all debate the AfD first and then come back to this point after the resolution of the said AfD - otherwise what we in fact have here is two opposing trials for the lives of articles, both stepping on each others toes and neither seemingly aware of the existence of the other. Falastur2 Talk 00:53, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I've added three RS to the AfD page, each of which demonstrate that this match is historic, not only in the history of MCFC, but in the history of football. I request that those who have already given an opinion there return to review. -- Dweller ( talk) 21:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
To reply to myself for a moment, for instance WHUFC.com has an article on the subject: [9] Does wikipedia need to mirror any of that information? Koncorde ( talk) 09:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 40 | ← | Archive 44 | Archive 45 | Archive 46 | Archive 47 | Archive 48 | → | Archive 50 |
Asked in a neutral way, as per the rules: Do we have any consensus about articles of this type? Rationale behind this question: this article. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 08:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
User:Jamen Somasu (yes, him again) has added a summary of the second leg of the 1968 Intercontinental Cup to the article about the match. Unfortunately, I deemed this summary to be riddled with POV and tagged it as a POV section. For some reason, Jamen Somasu refuses to acknowledge the POV nature of his addition and insists on removing the POV tag. Would someone please provide a third opinion on this subject? – Pee Jay 19:34, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Moving from the specific and personal, this illustrates why we should be exceedingly careful about descriptive match reports, even if they are based on contemporary newspaper reports. This is an encyclopaedia, and so our emphasis should be on facts; we are not a journalistic enterprise, and so perceptions and judgements (even those of journalists) are not our concern. We should remember that journalists are employed to produce the material that sells newspapers, and therefore under pressure to write that which the prospective readership of that paper wishes to read: perception and interpretation which resonates with an anticipated POV is their trade. So we should stick to the facts (Manchester United had 12 shots on goal, 8 of which were on target and they hit the woodwork twice) rather than commentary upon them (Manchester United attacked desperately and agonisingly with everything they had). Frustrated would-be journalists probably do not make the best encyclopaedic editors. Kevin McE ( talk) 06:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
For anyone interested, I have a compact video of the second leg on the IC68 page. You will be surprised at how cynical the British thinking is. When they said that Estudiantes played like savages, I went through hell and back to find a good, clear video of the match itself. Unsurprisingly, Estudiantes played smart, efficient, rough when needed but fair. On the other hand, Manchester thought they were in a boxing match as the video clearly shows two British players punching the Argentines. The last punch, after the final whistle, was a real thing from a coward. Disgusting, really.
Manchester had a good and talented team, yes. But their mentality was weak. They instigated the deragatory actions of the match and they, themselves, lost it when Estudiantes didn't give in to their provocations; thus, they fell apart on their own doing. Estudiantes clearly won the tactical and physical matches in that game.
Now I see why the British created those wild rumors during the match and tried to hide what really happen with exagerrated claims and even solid lies: the crap I saw on that video is embarrassing to the sport! Manchester was then, right down to their bones, a really dirty team. Jamen Somasu ( talk) 17:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
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Manchester was then, right down to their bones, a really dirty team, with a bunch of neanderthals disguising themselves as fans.
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Per old discussion such list should replaced by category. And the list itself did not cite and had some hoax/red link player. Matthew_hk t c 05:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
I wanted to let everyone know that we now have distinct season categories for leagues and clubs. So if you want to find a club's season article or see how many club season articles exist for a given season – along as it exists and is categorized correctly – you should be able to track it down through the category tree here, though as editors I most importantly wanted to let you know of this new category tree so that new club season articles can be categorized properly.
The "Association football seasons by year" category had previously only been populated by league seasons – which are now the contents of the "Domestic association football league seasons by year" sub-category. I then created a new sub-category of "Association football club seasons by year" and populated it, creating many club season categories along the way. We are still in need of a category for "Domestic association football cup seasons by year" (or some approximate title) if anyone wants to tackle it, but I'm a little tired of this type of project for right now. This project took me almost 500 edits and two days to organize and implement. I know that this whole thing was very CreatorElf of me, but what can I say. Happy editing. JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 21:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
At some point, somebody decided to move all the league seasons from the format Moravian Premier League 2008-09 to the format 2008-09 Moravian Premier League. This should have resulted in the templates all being edited so that they link directly to the new form - otherwise the bolding of the current article doesn't work. This has not happened. It is both annoying and unprofessional for a template to link to a redirect, but it's obviously an enormous task. Could a bot be designed to do this? john k ( talk) 22:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I just chanced across historicalkits.co.uk Perhaps it would be worth adding a link from each club's page, to the relevant page on that site for example the page on West Bromwich Albion. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:49, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
An enthusiastic IP has changed the format of the players section here. I believe a consensus was reached that the style shown there wasn't the way to go but I couldn't find the discussion on it. Am I Correct? I didn't want to revert it all without providing a reference to my reasoning. I probably need to take the article in question off my watchlist for a while because its been a magnet for petty IP changes recently and its been getting on my nerves. Argyle 4 Life talk 12:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Go on Findmypast.com and search the surname "Heskey" under the year 1978. Do you see what I see? Mattythewhite ( talk) 01:01, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know the protocol for using websites that require subscriptions as references or external links in articles? The ones I commonly see are playerhistory.com and bdfa.com.ar, both of which show some content to non-subscribers, but certainly not all of it. Often, there is no better source for statistics than these types of sites, but I wanted to make sure it is actually appropriate to link to them (would WP be viewed as promoting their business). Best regards. Jogurney ( talk) 14:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
The following is an exchange which took place at Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests and is copied here for comments regarding the source of potentially Copyvio data. Any help appreciated
A whole series of articles have been created such as 2001–02 Welsh Alliance League, 1996–97 Welsh Alliance League, 1993–94 Welsh Alliance League etc. going back from last year to 1993 -1994. The articles are hardly encyclopaedic but probably innocuous. However , the main part of each article is a table which has been lifted wholesale from another web-site - http://www.seasidersattic.co.uk/league-stats.php - (select view against an entry to see the relevant table). The web-site disclaimer says quite clearly
"... Feel free to lift any information you may want to but please acknowledge that it came from www.seasidersattic.co.uk. Thank you."
but it does not provide any more information about any licensing conditions that apply to the information. In fairness to the articles creator, the web-site is acknowledged in the text (but presumably could be edited out by a later editor). I only came across these articles following an earlier differences of opinion with the author on a different subject, and I have no wish to jump in and be perceived as wiki-stalking and would therefore welcome guidance as to the acceptability of this material and its licensing status. Velela Velela Talk 14:22, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
To my knowledge there is no such licensing agreement. I've notified onshore ( talk · contribs), the author of the articles in question, of this discussion. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 18:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
May I point out that the 2009-10 Welsh Alliance League was not created by me and all I have contributed to that page is the description at the beginning of the page to say it was the 26th Season of the Welsh Alliance League that began in 1984 and worked around the wording that was originally there.
With regard to the comments above I see that it has concluded and I presume everything is now satisfactory. Thank you to Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) on contacting notifying me about this discussion. -- Onshore ( talk) 21:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Dear Velela I can not understand as to why you are having issues with the league tables that I have created for the previous seasons of the Welsh Alliance League. I have noticed that you have now accepted the 2009-10 Welsh Alliance League as "OKAY" once I pointed out that I did not create that page/article. The previous league tables I have created are within Wikipedia's guidelines and have been sourced correctly. In the past I have created league tables for the Cymru Alliance and some for the Welsh Premier League. As you see from the other comments above that I have done everything satisfactory to Wikipedia's guidelines. I hope that you are not arising these issues as a personal attack against everything I contribute to here on Wikipedia as I understand that we had a dispute over Bangor over the weekend.
Also I would like to ask why a "This article does not cite any references or sources." box has appeared on the 1997–98 Welsh Alliance League page? As whoever has placed that on the page can see there is a source relating to the league table of that season. -- Onshore ( talk) 09:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I have a couple of questions about some recent changes to the Boca Juniors article.
I've long wondered this, but why do some clubs have dots in their names, and others not? I've always held off asking because I didn't see it as much of an issue, but having started extensive renovation work on List of top-division football clubs in UEFA countries, I thought I might as well raise the point. The inconsistency between countries (and in one or two cases within them) is noticeable there, with no obvious reason or rhyme to it. -- W F C-- 21:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Could someone have a look at Template:FAI referees and change the colours so the names are visible? I'm getting a headache just thinking about it. Jared Preston ( talk) 22:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
We currently have quite a couple of domestic cup final articles such as 2010 FA Cup Final, either in the "[year] in association football" or in the "[season] domestic association football cups" categories. Since this is a little inconsistent, where should we collect these articles? There are three possibilities which probably would make sense:
Opinions, ideas, comments? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 09:14, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
There appears to be a discrepancy with Frank Hill's date of death. The article claims that he died in California in June 1993 although this is unsourced. However, his biography in my Burnley F.C. history book (Simpson, Ray (2007). The Clarets Chronicles: The Definitive History of Burnley Football Club 1882–2007. ISBN 978-0-9557468-0-2.) says that he died in Luton, Bedfordshire in June 1970. Apart from this, all the other details seem to correspond. I don't know which date is correct, and I was about to make a WP:BOLD edit and change it but I thought I would check first to see if anyone else could shed more light on it. Cheers, Big Dom 20:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
IP 71.210.185.112 is deleting the information indicating that “IFFHS is not recognized by FIFA” when in fact it is (cfr. here, here and here) because, among other things, FIFA gives logistical support (Source: Rafa Jiménez, IFFHS: La calculadora del fútbol. Don Balón (1656), 9/15 julio 2007, p.50). I request the intervention of an administrator, thank you.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 19:10, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
The following matter could deserve a look or two: according to the pertinent infobox, this Romanian club name is "S.C. Sporting Club S.A. Vaslui", SC VASLUI for short. However, the WP name says FC VASLUI. Moreover, some users which don't write summaries to explain (as so many in the site, more than 50%), all of them editing from that country, have been reverting, thus creating redirects to SC VASLUI any players which play for the team.
Is the current WP name for the club the correct one. "Something" has to give in. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 01:11, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
There's a nice set of Wikipedia-friendly photos on Flickr from a recent Spurs training session: http://www.flickr.com/photos/apasciuto/sets/72157624383308573/ Any idea who this young player may be? Thanks. -- Mosmof ( talk) 03:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
This article was in the Good Article nominations queue, and after reviewing it I found that the nominator has been indefinitely blocked in the time since he listed it. It seems like an article that is close to GA quality, so I am hoping an interested member of the Football project can address the concerns I have raised at Talk:Copa Libertadores/GA1. Thanks, Reso lute 20:13, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
I have just created the article on Alan Hill (footballer born 1943), who played for Barnsley, Rotherham & Forest in the 60s. Two other players by this name also played in the post-war period - a fullback for Wrexham (1974-1983) and an amateur winger for Tranmere (1956-1957). Does anyone have birth years for the two latter players for disambiguation? Cheers, Giant Snowman 01:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I checked the archive and couldn't find any mention of this. Guess what the most viewed DYK in wikipedia history is? And just look at the margin between that and the second most viewed entry! -- W F C-- 04:09, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
The obvious choice is at the root article, but having just created an article on the 'keeper George A. Best, I realised there isn't a George Best (disambiguation) page for the several George Bests that have existed ( George Best (clergyman), for example). If anyone has a few minutes on their hands, I think such a page would be welcomed. - Dudesleeper talk 23:20, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Willie Irvine/archive1 is at FA, is the general consensus of this project to use imperial and then metric for UK footballers? Fasach Nua ( talk)
In about May, someone added their attempt at this season's Birmingham City F.C. home shirt, which at the time I removed as it was still 2009/10. I've reinstated it now, but the V on the shirt is totally the wrong shape, should be much shallower, more of a thick stripe with a dip than an actual V. See image at club shop site. I've had a look through the existing patterns but can't find anything better. If anyone could be so kind as to create something closer to the correct shape, it would be very much appreciated. thanks, Struway2 ( talk) 08:39, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, but I do not know English well. I hope you understand me. So, is possible to make a bot which would update statistics in Premier League players' articles (only in infoboxes) according to Soccerbase? Then, that articles will be more up to date. What do you think about that idea? PS. ( talk) 10:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
There is a discussion going on between myself and User:Hoising at Talk:Football at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament regarding whether or not we should refer to Dong Fangzhuo by his full name or just his surname in the {{ footballbox}} template. Since there was only one player with the surname "Dong" in the Chinese squad at the 2008 Olympics, it seemed to make sense to me to leave out Dong's given name, but Hoising is claiming that it is disrespectful or something to refer to him simply by his first name. Would someone else care to venture an opinion on this matter before the whole thing descends into farce? – Pee Jay 09:45, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
There is a discussion at the talk page of the French task force regarding the naming of pre- Ligue 1 and pre- Ligue 2 season articles as the naming of these is currently inconsistent. Any input on this topic would be welcome.
The reason for this RfC also stems from the fact that BigDom ( talk · contribs) is currently the sole representant of this task force, despite mulitple invitations to other suitable members. If someone wants to join forces with him, please sign up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/France task force. Thank you. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 09:21, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
goes to Herbert Lyon. - Dudesleeper talk 00:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Is there a correct way to name a player in the squad template? I'm involved in a discussion here, but lack responses. I would like to gain consensus before reverting related articles. My thoughts are that the title name of a players article should be correct entry, anything else should be detailed on the specific players article. Examples of the different approach were seen here and here. I appreciate your views. Thanks. gonads 3 17:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Teammates, me again,
This is clearly the place to report this, as these two "users" operate solely on football. Don't fret, i have also tipped an administrator, but the problem is he may not be into (i am almost sure he is not) the "ways of soccer", so it would be harder for him to grasp (some) stuff.
1 - Portuguese (as i) User:Pitadodocu: clearly a S.L. Benfica fan, who will add nonsense in articles even when boxes and links say different (like in Nélson Oliveira, see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=N%C3%A9lson_Oliveira&diff=prev&oldid=375034526; or in Artur Futre, a player which was now playing in the regional leagues of Portugal, see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Artur_Futre&diff=375721700&oldid=375036359), only to make a given player look like Cristiano Ronaldo - i bet he, as anon, was the one who created Futre's article, with the results you can see in the article's history.
He also has no English skills whatsoever, and writes no summaries and does not respond to messages. Some of his behaviour is thus, clearly close to vandalism IMO.
2 - Another compatriot: User:Alexanderalgrim creates tons of Portuguese players, obscure or not, from the top division to the fourth - only boxes and links though, no storyline (wait i'm not finished). He also does not write summaries or respond to messages. Regarding the latter, i have done following with him: he creates redirects with the link Midfielder, writing instead Midfielder (association football). I have told him twice the correct link, he says "talk to the hand".
When i said i warned an admin, it was only about the first user, not the second, clearly not a vandal in any way, just that it is "heatbreaking" to talk to somebody which is, apparently, on the same boat, and does not want to paddle for one minute. PITADODOCOCU, watch out, he could be a liability. I told you this so you would know what to expect if the occasion to work with this "pair" arises. Cheers - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 01:55, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
As far as the messages, no i did not leave any messages in the first user's talkpage. For what, so he would not answer, as the second did after three approaches? And, about the latter, when i said tons, i meant a lot, don't know why you picked on me on that (and no, he did not write "Midfielder (association football)" 5,6 times, he writes it everytime he creates an article of a player in said position)...Of course we should warn/talk about with every editor about his procedures and try to help them develop as a Wikipedian, but what if there are no replies?
I just wanted to help, as in (please see above) "I told you this so you would know what to expect if the occasion to work with this "pair" arises", simple as that. I am sorry if i caused any incovenience and/or did not proceed according to site regulations. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 16:12, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
The website is here, the code for the Wikipedia league is 273119-138678, two weeks to go lads! Giant Snowman 14:21, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
What happened to the FS template? Instead of showing the three-letter FIFA trigramme in the squad list it's now showing the entire country name, which is messing with the row alignment. If this is an intentional change, it look horrific. -- JonBroxton ( talk) 22:46, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
The discussion about the template is here btw. -- JonBroxton ( talk) 07:12, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted the change to the template so a wider discussion can take place before controversial changes (per WP:BRD). See Template talk:Football squad player for the main discussion location. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 08:57, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
For the record, using admin powers in a dispute you are involved in is a blatant abuse of the tools. Instead of pandering to the views of a project he was a member of and implementing his POV, Number 57 should have contacted another uninvolved admin. I won't say any more on the matter, but it needed saying.
The easiest way to meet the competing requirements is a very simple one. Remove {{ fs mid}} if there are aesthetic problems. By definition, for this table to be causing trouble, either one column must be taking up significantly more than half the screen, or both columns must be unusually long. Common sense examples of when to column/not to column can be found here. -- W F C-- 21:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Just to add something extra to this discussion. An MOS violation oppose vote was added to the Manchester United FAC candidacy discussion because of the flags. As a result of this change, the vote has been wiped out. The original comment was that without country names, the templates fall foul of Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)#Accompany flags with country names. 91.106.116.29 ( talk) 21:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
The reversion in question, and what can be done to make the templates comply with WP:MOSFLAG#Accompany flags with country names or if there are other alternatives has been started with Template talk:Football squad player#RFC: Changes to Football squad templates to comply with WP:MOSFLAG. Jappalang ( talk) 22:00, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
I've just come across this horrible template, which is used on the Al-Ahly page. I assume that this is not the way forwards, right? Ilikeeatingwaffles ( talk) 12:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Hello my name is Enb17 (Aaron Nielsen) I'm a professional soccer statistician with over 20 years experience and have worked with all the major companies in sports tabulation including Stats Inc., OPTA, Infostrada Sports. In 1992 my company started recording detailed statistical information for the English Premier League and currently record detailed information for over 50 leagues and tournaments World Wide. For upcoming season we have decided to make this information available to the public domain and are launching four sites in regards to the English Premier League, German Bundesliga, Italian Serie A, and Spanish La Liga. We've already launch the first site EPLinfo.com and the others hope to be available in early September.
I would like to make all Wikipedia editors aware that this information is available to help with your submissions and I was also planning on adding links to each player on wikipedia and a reciprocal link on the site (since EPLinfo is just data and has no written information about the player). An associate of mine runs/owns baseball-reference.com and my goal with these sites is to provide the same resource and relationship with wikipedia that he has in regards to Major League Baseball.
I very much appreciate the work you have done and would love to assist where I can be useful although with the time it takes to tabulate all the information it’s hard to also manually add it to the corresponding wiki page so I thought a direct link seems like the best option. I’m open to suggestions and overall I hope you find the information both exciting as fan of the game and useful in your endeavor.
Feel free to contact me on my wiki talk or via email at enbsports@gmail.com to request any information and discuss my idea further.
Cheers
Enb17 ( talk) 01:01, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Struway2 ( talk) Thank you for your response and I fully understand your point of view. Although I would argue that data is based on its accuracy and quality and not its time of publishing. The truth is the information I'm associated with has been on the internet since 1996 ( http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/5f54b1dabff2acb/3dc896a7726be93f?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=enb+sports+statistics+1996 ) and has been referenced multiple times on Wikipedia just under other projects I worked for at the time.
The reason there is difficulty providing proper references to soccer/football information is companies such as Opta and the Premier League itself keep the data hidden from the public to maintain its publishing value. Since I'm based out of North America and see the role statistics play in North America sports I thought it was time to make this information available to public to help grow its interest. These sites are designed to provide a statistical alternative to what people perceive what is out there (ie what soccerbase provides). So I thought the link would be appropriate to provide the user this option.
That being said I respect Wikipedia and your guidelines and won't go out of my way to interfere with the general principles of the site. Cheers 14:09, 30 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enb17 ( talk • contribs)
Hi everybody, despite I'm not a native english speaker, I think that the article concerning Chapman is very good and would deserve at least a GA status; in fact it's been translated in russian and german and achieved such honour. The page received even a peer review, but unfortunately its author is no longer collaborating on Wikipedia, so I think that WikiProject Football should take care of its promotion. Sorry for my broken english. Greetings. -- 82.59.56.200 ( talk) 11:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
@BigDom: Surely I can't say that section is huge, however not even the article dealing with Bobby Robson (which was recognized as a FA) contains a chapter about the playing career particulary vaste. Also it's necessary to consider that Chapman played more than one hundred years back, so I assume that a slight lack of informations can't be avoided, beacuse it's pretty hard to know everything about a such pioneeristic era. As for the stats written in italic, I see no problem to write them in the ordinary fashion. Regards, -- 87.6.114.143 ( talk) 15:45, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone involved with WP:Footy have any experience with football year books by Gabriel Mantz? I was looking at purchasing some recently to help with a project but I can find no reviews and don't know whether they are accurate.
TheBigJagielka ( talk) 15:46, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
User:AhMeD BoSS is blanking my contributions to FC Barcelona. Have anyone else had problems with this user before? Sandman888 ( talk) Latest FLC 18:46, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Some editors have recently been creating categories such as Category:2010–11 in Serie A. It's only filled with club season articles – as are all other years in Serie A categories seen here – but we already have Category:Italian football clubs 2010–11 season for that purpose. As far as I can tell, almost every other country has one category for season articles; the only exceptions are leagues like MLS and the A-League, where the leagues aren't part of a pyramid or national structure. There was also a recent SPEEDY that was declined on Template:2009-10 in Serie A even though Template:2009–10 in Italian football already exists. Do we want to segregate out Serie A from the rest of Italian football, or do these categories and nav templates need to be integrated back into the "Italian football" categories? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 12:47, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi fellow football maniacs. I come from the Spanish Wikipedia, and there, despite having a rule analogue to WP:COMMONNAME, clubs' articles are always named after their full official name (for example: Atlético Rafaela? NO, its es:Asociación Mutual Social y Deportiva Atlético de Rafaela; Deportivo Español? NO, its es:Club Social, Deportivo y Cultural Español de la República Argentina). When raised the issue, the answer was that they've reached a consensus not to follow the rule because official names "sounded more serious".
Anyway, my question is: is there any such consensus here? I want to launch a page-moving cruzade in all Argentine lower leagues' clubs' articles but wouldn't enjoy being reverted. Thanks for your answer. Regards. Fache ( talk) 21:02, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
His contract expired, and eventually, he signed a new one. Technically he was a free agent for a little while, but to have two rows in his infobox, as if these are different spells with Liverpool, is just silly. ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 00:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Who does tj moncur play for now?, Gobbleswoggler ( talk) 21:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Teammates, excuse me for being such "a pain in the proverbial backside", but after seeing some developments in the subject, i think it really needs to be (further) discussed...
As i brought up here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_45#To_cat_or_not_to_cat), User:Kolins and i have been having some friendly "run-ins" about (expatriate mainly) cats in players. Now, in Marcos Senna, i found he did something completely illogical: a SPANISH EXPATRIATE FOOTBALLER?!? He was never such, when he played in Brazil, he WAS Brazilian, really hard to graps this concept...
Also, in the same original discussion, mate Chris Cunningham pointed out that "...the national categories reflect this "sporting nationality" nonsense exclusively right now...". So, in the light of this approach, Kolins is right? As Groucho Marx once put it, looking at a contract: "Easy, piece of cake, even a five-year old would understand it" (ten seconds later) "Quickly, go fetch me a five-year old, i can't make anything of this!"... Cheers - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
To define somebody as an expatriate, their homeland (patria) must be clearly identifiable. As has been discussed here many many times before, for many people, and therefore for many footballers, it is not that simple. Benjamín Zarandona won an U21 Euro championship with Spain, the land of his birth, but since he represented another country, he has now been listed as an expatriate in Spain: this is clearly nonsense. Is an English player at Cardiff an expatriate? A Welshman at Hereford United? An English-born player with Scottish parents at Partick Thistle? A player born in Dresden pre 1990 at Dusseldorf? A Slovakian born pre-1990 at Sparta Prague? Does someone cease to be an expatriate by acquiring citizenship? Does such a person remain on the list on the grounds that he once met the criteria? Ill-defined, and therefore encyclopaedically indefensible. Kevin McE ( talk) 09:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to say that the "expatriate" category is very useful to find players for whom to play abroad is not an usual case and probably not necessary at all for the football-exporting countries. The North Korean one, for example, is extremely curious while the Brazilian one will probably feature some 80% of the country's footballers. — WiJG ? 16:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Anyone able to give their 2¢ over this way, please? Was heading towards an edit war, which naturally I wanted to avoid, so started a discussion. It's not really the most visible page, though, so yet to get any kind of responses. It's a horribly minor issue but one that I'd rather be resolved. Cheers! AllynJ ( talk | contribs) 11:23, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Anyone interested in reviewing Featured Article nominations might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Willie Irvine/archive1, or it's likely that it might be archived due to a lack of reviewers. All comments, supports or indeed opposes are welcome. Cheers, Big Dom 17:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Look at that monstrosity! Can't for the life in me understand why it's been made to look like that, with the forced line breaks. If there's no objection, I'll convert it into a more conventional style. Cheers, Big Dom 17:47, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Malawi changed its flag on 28 July 2010. As such, {{
flagicon|Malawi}}
now shows the new flag (
). However, for football results etc. as these are past events these should show the oldvariant {{
flagicon|Malawi|1964}}
(
). I attempted to run AWB on all articles with years in the title to run through and fix this. However, I'm unable to code an easy replace "{{[flag template]|Malawi}}" with "{{[flag template]|Malawi|1964}} because football articles use other templates such as {{
TwoLegResult}}
. As such I, personally, am unable to run something that could decide which team is being reffered to and then add var1=1964
or var2=1964
. If anyone is better than me and could write a semi-automatic run that would be great. Otherwise, hopefully this will raise awareness of the fact and people can change flag variants as they find them. Best,
Rambo's Revenge
(talk)
21:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
{{twolegresult|
(leaving case sensitive unchecked), it would be possible to do a mass run. That said it would be complicated, would have to be done in two stages (one for home teams, second for away) and would involve a brute-force method for home teams. Obviously there will be several templates, but the basic principles of that AWB run would remain true of other templates, so it just might be worth the hassle. --
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23:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Please will someone review the rating of this article on its talk page. Thank you. -- Dweller ( talk) 09:43, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Is "Shamrock Rovers" singular or plural? -- Exorcist Z ( talk) 20:49, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering if there was a guide out there for the creation of kit templates, or perhaps a more comprehensive list of those currently available. This seems to be massively underused and is the only thing I can find that comes close to a list of available templates. Previous calls for help have gone unnoticed here amongst other places. Omgosh30 ( talk) 21:47, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
{{ sent off}} sort of doesn't work when placed into {{ footballbox}} or {{ footballbox collapsible}}.
Compare:
date time round |
team 1 | 0 – 0 | team 2 | stadium Attendance: attendance Referee: referee |
---|---|---|---|---|
player 10' player 30', 60' |
report | player
20', 40' player 90' |
as opposed to:
date time round |
team 1 | 0 – 0 | team 2 | stadium Attendance: attendance Referee: referee |
---|---|---|---|---|
player 60' player 70' |
report | player 40' player 90' |
In the former instance there is a minor inaccuracy with the vertical alignment of the goalscorers and the players cautioned. Where's the problem? -- Theurgist ( talk) 13:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
I used the substitution function to display the above footballboxes to ensure the problem against becoming invisible here when already fixed. -- Theurgist ( talk) 21:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
That stuff above got too long when viewed at the edit screen. Here is it again, without substitution:
Compare:
team 1 | 0 – 0 | team 2 |
---|---|---|
player 10' player 30' 60' |
report | player 20' 40' player 90' |
as opposed to:
team 1 | 0 – 0 | team 2 |
---|---|---|
player 60' player 70' |
report | player 40' player 90' |
--
Theurgist (
talk)
21:12, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
team 1 | 4 – 2 | team 2 |
---|---|---|
Buckley 10', 13', 26' Graham 85' |
report | player 40' player 90' |
I make this suggestion in good faith, although I accept that it might not be well received. Never start a sentence with "Serious issues" and end it with " WP:MOSICONS". Doing so serves to undermine the otherwise legitimate points that you are making. Moving on, I don't share your opinion on {{ goal}} and {{ sent off}}, as demonstrated below. You do however make a very important point on accessibility. {{ goal}} and {{ yel}} need to be made as accessable as {{ sent off}}. -- W F C-- 15:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
team 1 | 4 – 1 | team 2 |
---|---|---|
Buckley: goals 10', 13', 26' Graham: goal 85' |
report | (player): goal 40' (player): booked 57', booked and sent off 84' |
Longshot I know, but I was wondering if someone had anything to write about this competition. I doubt it's notable and don't intend to write an article, I'm just looking for a sentence or so to write about it, with a source. Presumably there have been a few competitions with this name, so for clarity I'm talking about the competition that ran in England between 1910 and 1915 (possibly earlier and later, but certainly during that period). I know that Brighton and Hove Albion won the competition in 1910, which might help.
Thanks in advance, -- W F C-- 18:30, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
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My record books show that Southampton played in this tournament between 1902-03 and 1913-14, winning it in 1908 (beating Portsmouth 1-0) and reaching two other finals, losing 2-0 to Tottenham Hotspur in 1907 and Coventry City 1-0 in 1914. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 18:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Any help welcome .. I am looking to add to articles or add new articles but would like to know;-
1/ What is a notable match in Wiki terms? There are a number of matches which could have their own articles but I don't want to put in the effort if they don't pass 'match notability'. Is there such a thing?
2/ Are pictures of the front of football programs copyright? Again I have a number of these which could be added to articles but need to know how Wiki handles these in copyright terms.
Anyone know - Thanks.
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Template:AFC Asian Cup winners has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:50, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Would someone with access to the Michael Joyce Football League Players Records book be able to add stats to Wilfred Crompton. I may have missed some of his clubs; the book I used only gives his teams immediately before and after leaving Burnley. Thanks in advance, Big Dom 18:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Template:Hong Kong League Selection squad has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
A rather petty edit war is starting to form on Dávid Gróf and I would be grateful for some opinions on the matter in question. I believe the image on the article should be resized so to stop the infobox from being stretched and to stop the gap between the "Apps" and "(Gls)" columns from being unnecessarily wide. Cheers, Mattythewhite ( talk) 19:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Admittedly a bad example, as being an idiot with images I completely botched the job. But surely the image at the bottom is a better illustration than the one at the top? -- W F C-- 19:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC) (Help getting the bottom image to the same resolution as the original would be gratefully received. -- W F C-- 19:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC))
Jonesy, I think you are getting an overly hard time here. I've seen a lot of your work, and 90+% of the time you get the cropping spot on. Watford pages lack pictures as it is, due to a combination of copyright, my incompetence with a camera and the position of my exceptionally cheap seat. If it wasn't for you, the image situation would be ten times worse. The point people are trying to make is that there are times when the background is just that- background. But there are other times when it's genuinely distracting, such as the example I have given above. Your caption was an overreaction, but if we were to lose as prolific a photographer as yourself, we would be the real fruitcakes. -- W F C-- 23:41, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Jonesy is likely going to find himself on the end of a 3RR, see 3RR ban discussion, unless the situation is clarified. Koncorde ( talk) 07:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Could we produce an external link template for the profiles of German footballers at the database http://www.fussballdaten.de/ like we have on the German and Italian language Wikipedias? Something similar to, say, Template:Soccerbase? I know that Fussballdaten doesn't have player IDs in their URLs (for example: Franz Beckenbauer's profile), but it's a very useful site for statistics and seeing that the Bundesliga is gaining in popularity, it would be nice to have similar links with the same wording in the footballers' biographies under the external links section. Would anyone be willing to help me with this idea or is there no consensus for this? Jared Preston ( talk) 14:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Is fussballdaten.de a reliable source now then? Madcynic ( talk) 11:26, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
An increasingly common habit seems to be background colour coding of match lists according to their results, like this. At least this example has a key: others do not. Does this have any consensus or is there any desire for this convention to be allowed to become established? Personally, I'm agin: it looks garish, wins are easily identified by the score, and the likelihood of being left with no key is high. (Not quite sure why an icon of a ball is considered a relevant icon for the timings of a goal in that table either, but that's a different matter) Kevin McE ( talk) 13:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Why not have a hidden sortable row? Gnevin ( talk) 14:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry guys, we have a little debate about this Cup. We are searching for some sources which state that the eventual play-off between Manchester United and Estudiantes would have been played in Amsterdam. Till now I've found those ones:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/carousel/ITV/European.html
http://www.linguasport.com/futbol/internacional/clubes/intercontinental/inter68.htm
Does anybody know something more about this matter? PLEASE: IT'S VERY IMPORTANT!!-- VAN ZANT ( talk) 18:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
ClubOranje, many thanks for your attention ;-) -- VAN ZANT ( talk) 14:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anybody have a date of birth for a William Wood, who was born in Blackburn and played for Blackburn Rovers before joining Burnley in March 1933? Perhaps the Joyce book will provide an answer. Note that Burnley already had a player called William Wood, born in 1910, playing for them at the same time so I need a date of birth for the other before I can create an article. Cheers, Big Dom 09:18, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I see that Michael Joyce's website at www.allfootballers.com is still unavailable. Does anyone have any news? Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 10:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Can someone sort out the redirect for Jason Steele to Jason Steele (politician) to presumably a disambig page, and then also move Jason Steele (footballer born 1990) to Jason Steele (footballer). Ta. 93.174.8.253 ( talk) 14:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Just to let you know, the reason why i didnt create it as a (footballer) page was because it wouldn't let me as there had been to many deleted articles for him already xxx Parklands_Cobbler ( talk) 01:49, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Am I right in believing we have a consensus that a player's national team only belongs in the infobox once he actually plays for it? So we wouldn't add a national team with current year and zero appearances, as soon as the player receives a squad call-up. I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I can't find where. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 12:30, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Just updating Template:FC Ingolstadt 04 squad and there are players with the family name of Hartmann. Normally, I would include the first initial and a period, but in this case, one player is Manuel Hartmann and the other is Moritz Hartmann. So what to do in this situation? I decided to go with full names. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:49, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Can someone please create pages for football clubs and create pages for the seperate leagues in the amatuar league Mayo & District League and edit the page its not up to scratch? Dooniver ( talk) 11:24, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
The English season kicks off shortly, with Norwich City v Watford.
I've been working on developing Carrow Road, the venue for tonight's game, with an aim to getting it to Featured status. Your edits are welcome, and comments at the talk page, where I've also posed some questions where I'm unsure or want consensus for how the article should develop.
Happy new season to you all. Even Ipswich fans. -- Dweller ( talk) 18:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
This article, about the England v Scotland match on 31 March 1928 has multiple issues, most especially the tone and poor referencing. Is there anyone who fancies taking it on and re-writing it? Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello, can anybody please upload logo for FK Gäncä from here http://yalli.az/Khayal/albums/2271/40675 I tried to upload but due I am not sure how to upload logo's or give it right license, I am having problems and my files get removed.-- NovaSkola ( talk) 06:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
http://www.azerisport.com/images/articles/2010/08/04/thumb210_20100804013939919.jpg
-- NovaSkola ( talk) 10:43, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me if Mainland Premier League counts as a Fully professional league ?
I'm asking because I was looking at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamish Lewis and I'm not clear whether this player meets WP:ATHLETE as a pro; I'd think this league was pro, but IDK. Chzz ► 17:11, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
There are three examples at the above category page (namely England, Scotland, Wales) where a full list of all internationals to have played for that country exists as an article (with players listed in alphabetical order) but the article name is given an '(alphabetical)' suffix, whereas there is also an alternative page that only lists players who have reached a set threshold of caps, but this latter page is not given any suffix. As an example see List of England international footballers (alphabetical) and List of England international footballers, the latter only listing players with 30 caps or more. I would like to either make the 'complete' listings the master article (with no suffix), and a suffix be added to the qualified list, or for a suffix to be added to both lists, as this would be a more accurate descriptor of what the pages are.
Additionally I would like to ask an admin to move the page history of List of Wales international footballers to List of Wales international footballers (alphabetical) following recent changes, although hopefully this would only need to be done as a short term measure, depending on people's views on the above.
Please note I am the original creator of the Wales page (the one now called 'alphabetical'). Eldumpo ( talk) 19:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Looking at his stats in my trusty copy of Joyce, Wally Akers' three games for Mansfield can only possibly be the three games played at the start of the 1939–40 season, which was abandoned because of the outbreak of war. Joyce says that he included these games in players' stats "for completeness". Should they be in the player's infobox......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 06:14, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Are there other sources than Joyce out there for player stats info from that era, and if not, shouldn't we be going with the published/verifiable information that we have i.e. whereby 1939-40 games are included as regular fixtures? Eldumpo ( talk) 08:00, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
This page lists the nominations [2] but I can't seem to find out who won the other awards other than the Young player of the year going to Eto'o. Can anyone help? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 13:52, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Folks, what to make of this, in Francisco Jiménez Tejada's "PRIVATE LIFE"? It is referenced, but it seems a bit unencyclopedical and bordering on the opportunistic (the "i hate Xisco as a player, now i have references to make him look bad" attitude), in my opinion.
I remember roughly one year ago, when Guti had the same (similar) stuff inserted in his article. I clearly remember someone removed the (referenced) bit saying it was unencyclopedical. What is your opinion? Free your mind! - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 16:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
But a few things: 1. Seems to break Original Research and Wikipedia is Not News. 2. He is kissing a few guys but there is no evidence this was a gay pride event or even it was that he wasn't just there with some friends. 3. Usually supposed to wait until someone comes out before labelling them as a homosex.
If it made it into the national media then it is worth a mention.-- EchetusXe 13:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
The WP:Milhist project has several sub-projects set on specific targets, e.g. the Majestic Titan which aims to have every battleship in one large featured topic. On the project page you can easily see the progress and primary editors, which makes cooperation easy.
I would therefore like to suggest that Footy set up equal projects which aims to improve specific areas of wp:footy. These could be;
Sandman888 ( talk) Latest FLC 07:17, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
After commenting on Argyle POY, I feel there should be a larger debate on the issue. The player of the years lists should in my opinion be done with as they a content forks of a "list of players". It can easily be indicated on the list of players who where player of the year. As an independent article on the phenomena "player of the year" those would more often than not, not meet the notability criteria of an article. Sandman888 ( talk) Latest FLC 07:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Now I don't follow this to closely but I believe I recall correctly (and {{ Football kit}} seems to agree) that we don't include sponsors or manufacturers on the kits in the infobox. I really see no advantage of this over this so I delved a little deeper. There seem to have been a spate of uploads recently, and there might be other users doing similar things. My question is, do we try and stop these uploads, do nominate redundant/over specific ones for deletion etc. The deletion aspect, especially, sounds like a lot of work and I suspect that is why no-one has done anything thus far. Thoughts? Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
-- W F C-- 11:47, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
recently a very well-intentioned IP editor has made significant changes to the league tables on 2009–10 Lega Pro Prima Divisione, 2009–10 Lega Pro Seconda Divisione, and 2009–10 Serie D. the tables have been changed to show the final fate of each team in the league; many of these low-level teams in Italy have declared bankruptcy well after the completion of the season and have been reassigned to amateur divisions. to me, the tables have become almost unreadable, and at a glance only indicate that low-level Italian football is seriously messed up, not how the leagues were supposed to function. is there policy on this? i only reverted one of the IP's changes, on 2009–10 Serie B, where they had changed the qualification column to indicate that the playoff winner had directly won promotion. —Ed Cormany ( talk) 15:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Im asking for second opinions on the quality scale of Anel Raskaj, Halmstads BK, in my personal opinion its either C or B, asks for others opinions as im the original creater of the article. --> Halmstad, Charla to moi 22:06, 6 August 2010 ( UTC)
Would someone be able to have a look at the lead for this? I'm in the middle of work on the technical side of it (images, alt text, sorting etc). I think the explanation of what countries are and aren't in the list are good, but I'm quite stumped at how to do a succinct lead introducing 50+ separate leagues. Thanks in advance, -- W F C-- 01:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
As a supporter of a lower league team, the articles of my heroes are free from the extremes of fancruft and there are few cup-finals and heavily promoted pre-season tours to be distracted by. But because of an interest in things Ecuadorian, Antonio Valencia found his way onto my watchlist some time ago. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that Man Utd players receive a lot of "overenthusiastic" edits, but is there any consensus as to where we draw the line at inclusion of goals and appearances? I can happily accept debut, first (competitive) goal, first goal in European competition, appearances and goals in major finals or season defining matches. Various editors have wanted to include every pre-season friendly goal and appearance, a description of the manner of scoring of each goal he has for the team, and now a goal in the glorified friendly that is the Community Shield. I would argue that if each goal he got for Wigan and El Nacional did not need noting, then neither do his Manchester United ones, but to enforce this, I would end up in an editwar. Does one just abandon all senior players' articles at such high profile clubs to those who mistake Wikipedia for Twitter, perhaps with the hope of restoring some order and proportion after they retire and drop off the attention span of the masses, or is there a standard or example of best practice to which we can refer those who fail to distinguish between an encyclopaedia and a fansite? Where do we draw the line? Kevin McE ( talk) 10:41, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distillery_F.C.
How can Distillery have played Dundela in December 1880 when Dundela's page states club founding in 1895? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.206.64 ( talk) 21:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I was wondering how to search more effectively for football photographs on Flickr. I found this photo and some others and I think the licensing allows us to use it. That Getty Images confuses me though.-- EchetusXe 11:08, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello... what websites do you use to reference a player's league appearances and league goals in the InfoBox, especially played outside the UK football league? The reason I ask is, I am looking at Ricardo Carvalho's SoccerBase entry ( [5]) and I see that his SoccerBase career data and his Wikipedia InfoBox entry don't match.. should SoccerBase be used to update his Wikipedia InfoBox entry (assuming SoccerBase is accurate)?
Also, should his loan appearances and goals for Leça, etc., be replaced with (?) (?) as they do not have a reference? Thanks
JMHamo ( talk) 23:56, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Would an admin mind restoring the Jack Midson, Sam Deering and Danny Philliskirk articles, as they have now made appearances in League Two per this? Cheers, Mattythewhite ( talk) 16:56, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Please note, I'm happy to undelete articles on request, but the onus is on the requestor to ensure the the restored article is up to snuff otherwise I'll end up looking like more of an arse than normal...! The Rambling Man ( talk) 20:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Mike Green (goalkeeper) as per [6] Kingjamie ( talk) 19:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Lest an edit war erupts, i need some assistance with this matter (some Spanish users would REALLY come in handy right now!):
A user with a recent "history" has been changing Javi Martínez's birthplace. I replied to him once that all three external links which appear in the player's page say he was born in Estella-Lizarra (and i add here, as in the user's talkpage, a FOURTH one - please see here http://www.futbolme.com/com/jugadores.asp?id_jugador=3986), including the OFFICIAL website of Athletic Bilbao.
To the contrary "effect", we have his word (and a revert summary which is in no way explicatory - see here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Javi_Mart%C3%ADnez&diff=378162667&oldid=378031247), and the Spanish wiki entry. About the latter, one would think that a Spanish piece about a Spanish player would be enough source for validation, but it's not ref'd, who's to say it's a correct insertion?
Please, inputs here, so we can end this discussion before it gets out of hand. Cheers - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 15:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
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Can anyone point me to an official definition of a "Foreign Player"? For context, it's in relation to List of foreign Scottish Premier League players which defines a foreign player (in the context of Scotland) as one that was born outside the British Isles? Also related to a discussion here. Thank you. -- HighKing ( talk) 17:28, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
I have come across this article [8] which says:
That was in 2008, i dont know if there has been changes since then, but according to that it doesnt sound like FIFA view English people to be "foreign" when it comes to Scotland and there for nor are people of the Isle of Man and Channel Islands which are not part of the United Kingdom. BritishWatcher ( talk) 19:04, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Are these games really worth of a separate article? I think no. Opinions? -- Angelo ( talk) 08:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
For your interest, I have nominated the two articles above for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tottenham Hotspur F.C. 3–4 Manchester City F.C. and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manchester City F.C. 4–1 Tottenham Hotspur F.C.. -- Angelo ( talk) 10:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Incidentally, does anyone else find it to be slightly double-standards-ish (no personal insult intended, I assure you Angelo) that this debate is going on in parallel with, and yet completely independently from this AfD over the article in question? My point is particularly with emphasis to the view that it seems quite like the AfD will eventually decide for deletion, while this debate appears to be swinging the other way. It seems illogical to allow both processes to go on at the same time, and especially when an admin will eventually swing the axe as a result of that AfD and with no reference to this debate. We should have one combined discussion on this point in general, or we should all debate the AfD first and then come back to this point after the resolution of the said AfD - otherwise what we in fact have here is two opposing trials for the lives of articles, both stepping on each others toes and neither seemingly aware of the existence of the other. Falastur2 Talk 00:53, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I've added three RS to the AfD page, each of which demonstrate that this match is historic, not only in the history of MCFC, but in the history of football. I request that those who have already given an opinion there return to review. -- Dweller ( talk) 21:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
To reply to myself for a moment, for instance WHUFC.com has an article on the subject: [9] Does wikipedia need to mirror any of that information? Koncorde ( talk) 09:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)