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Just wondering if the above user was out of order with this edit before I go about reinstating the images. I only just noticed it. - Dudesleeper talk 01:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
When I added my earlier comment, I had not checked on the images' copyright status - this was not the reason given for removal in the edit summaries from J Milburn. I agree with Jameboy that many of the "disputed" images are probably out of copyright, but I'll leave it to Dudesleeper to undertake the necessary research. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
User:Jamen Somasu refuses to accept that Shakhtar Donetsk are still the defending champions of the UEFA Europa League despite being knocked out by Fulham. Obviously it is possible for a team to remain as the defending champions even when they are not involved in the following season of a competition, right? – Pee Jay 18:02, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I think it's acceptable to call them defending champions until this year's final is completed. Eldumpo ( talk) 17:16, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
This prod worries me. I think it needs an AfD, particularly because of the claims of playing a friendly for Jamaica's national side. -- Dweller ( talk) 11:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Why do articles about English Football League during '60s link to the same season of Fairs Cup and not to the following Fairs season? ( exemple) -- 95.236.141.128 ( talk) 15:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
914 football articles link to CBF which gives me "Server Error in '/' Application. The resource cannot be found." and always has since I first removed one some months ago. 606 football articles link to Sambafoot which possibly had some sort of player database at one point, but now simply links to an article on heel pain and foot care. Is there an easy clean-up option somewhere for this sort of thing?--ClubOranje T 13:24, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I was hoping that someone with the means could help me out. There's a goalkeeper, Fred Hobbs, listed in my very unreliable Blackpool F.C. book, whom I have in my sandbox list, yet in List of Blackpool F.C. players, there's a John Hobbs. Neither of these appear in Michael Joyce's Football League Players' Records 1888 to 1939. Have there been two Hobbs's at Blackpool, or is this an error? - Dudesleeper talk 23:46, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Steve Bloomer's article mentions that he briefly coached in the Netherlands, but does not mention a team or reference. Does anybody know which team it is, or where I can find this? -- 131.155.56.90 ( talk) 13:32, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
It seems that this article is an hoax (the player exists but all relevent info are highly unprovable). Based on verified french information [1] (and [2]) and on the site of Cardiff, all info might be made up. Please verify. More info can be found on french wikipedia here : fr:Discussion_Projet:Football/Archive14#Mohamed_Taidara. no information found on the player registration for transfer of the player. Loreleil ( talk) 18:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC) Further inforamtion of highly probable hoax : based on the official Cardiff Roaster no sign of the player. based on a strange cardiff roaster (who claimed to be the official website) we strangely find the player. Further proof of an attempt of an Hoax : a somehow serious Greece Senegal report from SkySports doesn't speak about this player was a french compromised site tells us that the player is part of the team and played this match : [3] Loreleil ( talk) 18:57, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I know that we've had issues over the misuse or overuse of flags, but I think the editors of the Lithuania national football team have figured it out. The use of {{flagicon|Earth}} for unattached players was just far too funny to keep to myself. I hope someone else laughed as much as I did. JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 12:48, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
On a slight tangent to this discussion, I've posted a comment at Template talk:Football squad player#Country names regarding the lack of country names on the output of the {{ fs player}} template. I haven't had any response there, so I thought I'd mention it here to reach a wider audience. Basically, I think that {{fs player}} should use {{ flag}}, rather than {{ flagicon}} as it does now. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 13:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
A new article has been started, Chester FC, for the new club formed by fans of the former Chester City F.C.. Please could an admin move the new article to Chester F.C., as this already exists, but as a redirect. Thanks. Dancarney ( talk) 13:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Since I am currently in the prossess of changing the 2. Bundesliga articles to use the fb cl template, I was wondering if there were any existing naming conventions for clubs listed in league tables, particularly when there are two clubs from the same city playing in the same league? For example, both 1. FC Köln and Fortuna Köln played in 2. Bundesliga in the 1998–99 season. Under the current templating the former is refered to simply as Köln, while the latter uses the full name. To me this seems slightly POV, since implies that 1. FC is more associated with the city of Cologne than Fortuna. Thoughts on this? Sir Sputnik ( talk) 15:18, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Would some kind soul please clean-up his article? I would myself but don't have time right now. I checked it to see what had been done as he was transferred yesterday and its an absolute mess. All links have been removed from the lead and two sections have been added which don't improve it at all. Cheers. Argyle 4 Life ( talk) 15:28, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
More eyes requested at Ewood Park, where NPOV appears to have gone out of the window in favour of essays about hooliganism. Oldelpaso ( talk) 15:06, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
What do you think.......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
The article on Raúl González is not very good. I would have thought that Wikipedi would have a better article for the all-time top scorer of the Champions League, especially looking at other player articles. 77.250.200.70 ( talk) 08:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
At the moment Ryan Kendall redirects to a section of Black Condor without any hatnote. The entry on the footballer recently created is instead at Ryan Kendall (footballer). This doesn't seem to be right to me. Surely the footballer should be the main entry with a hatnote to the character of Black Condor, who be instead be something like Ryan Kendall (Black Condor character). 91.106.99.99 ( talk) 22:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi all. Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, but seeing as I edit a football page it's as good as any. A certain IP address keeps making half-baked updates to the 2009-10 Premier Reserve League page. The IP is 86.163.108.154 and they always only update the Liverpool result and then not even properly. I need a steward to block that IP address. I put a lot of time into that page and it's not so that someone can mess it up! Rgds Bealzbob —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bealzbob ( talk • contribs) 22:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
OK I don't know if this will be seen because it's archive but the 2009–10 Premier Reserve League has just been vandalised by one of our own users JamesH1381. He has add 12-0, 6-0, 8-0, 7-0 wins to all matches that are unplayed and has made the stats all incorrect. I am now attempting to rectify this but can someone with the power to do so, please stop this guys from doing further damage? Bealzbob ( talk) 17:05, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey folks,
Lionel Messi seems to have some regular problems with quality / POV which are unbefitting its importance to the project. Any experts fancy giving the current version a look to see if there are still issues? This really needs to go to GA at some point. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Short question –- since all the categories in Category:Association football by year have been renamed, every subcategory of these, for example Category:2009–10 domestic football (soccer) leagues or Category:2009-10 domestic football (soccer) cups, should be renamed as well, shouldn't they? I thought I'd better ask before creating Category:2010–11 domestic association football leagues and Category:2010–11 domestic association football cups... -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 20:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm doing some work on ice hockey and came across Sparta Prague. A quick glance at the Czech WP revealed that it is a multi-sport club. There is no article for the club itself, but the association football, ice hockey, and rugby union clubs all have their own pages that are also inconsistently named, Sparta Prague, HC Sparta Praha, and RC Sparta Prague. I was going to put together a brief article for the multisport club that would link the three and have its own category as a multi-sport club, but I'm not sure what to name it. (Also, the hockey club has HC Sparta Prague as a redirect; could an admin fix it so that they all use the same base name, "Sparta Prague". Thanks.) The Czech WP doesn't seem to be much help, as the football club is cs:AC Sparta Praha, and the parent club is cs:Association Club Sparta Praha. Thoughts? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 14:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Over at Talk:2010 Major League Soccer season, we're having a discussion about the decision to link the standings table to the respective team season articles via the team's name in the table. That is to say, when it says "Los Angeles Galaxy" in the league table, it links to 2010 Los Angeles Galaxy season article instead of directly to the Los Angeles Galaxy article. I disagree with this practice, as only the 2010 and 2009 seasons are following this practice, but not the first 13 seasons of MLS. The proponents of linking to the team season articles argue that this is comonplace in the other North American sports league season articles, like 2009 Major League Baseball season and 2009–10 NHL season. It should be pointed out that in the 2009 NFL season article, the division standings are linked to the main team article, but there is a seperate "Details" link to the team season articles, while the 2009–10 NBA season links the standings table to the team articles without any "Details" link or anything similar. It should also be pointed out that even in league season articles that provide links to team season articles, they only do this for the last few seasons. Furthermore, this practice is not followed in the articles about the MLS Cup Playoffs, Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup, or CONCACAF Champions League, despite the fact that MLS clubs compete in these competitions alongside the MLS season. Because this practice is not found in the articles about any other major footy competition worldwide, I don't think it should be found in the MLS articles, but I may well be wrong. Either way, anyone who would like to comment either in favor or in opposition would be welcome. -- Grant . Alpaugh 15:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
I think that I've found an excellent and reliable source about this matter. Please you consult this: [4] -- 87.14.62.179 ( talk) 08:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Would someone with administrative priviledges or WP:ROLL please restore Plymouth Argyle F.C. to User:Phenom V1.0's last revision. I have reverted vandalism on that page numerous times in the last couple of months, but this is the first time I've encountered multiple edits bunched together and I'm not sure how to correct it without using WP:ROLL. Its getting extremely tedious, but my request to protect the page fell on death ears a few weeks ago. Thank you. Argyle 4 Life ( talk) 19:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
This is in regards to 2010 Major League Soccer season so American editors might be more interested. When a coach (or anyone) is terminated in the States it is referred to as "fired". "Sacked" is a term often used in Europe when managers are let go. I'm not sure if little-used international jargon is appropriate in an American article. However, it is an international game. Any thoughts? I don;t really care but there has been recent some back and forth on it. Cptnono ( talk) 04:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Why are we having this debate when there are all manner of unambiguous synonyms, most predominantly "dismissed"? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
While converting the templates using fb start/end to conventional Navboxes, I stumbled across Template:Succession of Yugoslav First League. First question: Does this template make sense (or in other words, is it useful and worth keeping)? If the answer to this question is yes – has anybody an idea how to convert this beauty? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 00:08, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
I wanted to throw a reminder out there regarding the push to clar out some of the GAN backlog. It can be fun and there is some project related stuff on there (Goodison Park needs some love so I don't fail it). Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN backlog elimination drives/April 2010 if you want to do a couple. Cptnono ( talk) 12:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
1. Can anyone confirm which Harry Taylor was Halifax's manager in 1956-7 [5]. The Halifax manager section on Wiki [6] has a link to Harry Taylor (footballer), but there are 5 Harry Taylor's on allfootballers.com (I don't subscribe), plus there are another three Harold Taylor's.
2. Similarly, the 1936 reference on Wiki to Jimmy Thompson is wrong, as there are two sources showing it's Thomson without the 'p'. Allfootballers has 5 Jimmy/Jim/James Thomson's that could work time-wise - anyone know which one.
Or, for both cases, it could even be the manager was not a former footballer? Any help appreciated. Eldumpo ( talk) 11:31, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again for your help. I have made the changes/refs, and made Taylor and Booth as normal text on the list. Given Taylor was the chairman at the time it's not that likely that he was a former player, but if anyone knows different let me know. Eldumpo ( talk) 08:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering whether "goalscorer" or "goal scorer" is correct or is either acceptable? Both forms return plenty of search results. Also I'm not sure whether there are colloquial differences in usage? Is it something that we have a standard for (or if not, should we?), particularly where used in article titles? Would be interested to hear thoughts. -- Jameboy ( talk) 13:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't think there's much difference between them, and suggest that we do not need to seek a preferred version. Eldumpo ( talk) 08:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Page in it's current state is a practically word-for-word copy from a website, so if anyone wants the page to continue existing, you'd better go through the history to find an edit where it's not, because I'm not doing your rabbit-hunting for you. Half Shadow 18:31, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I appreciate an administrator to check this page after the editions of this user, who believe that Fairs Cup and Copa Eva Duarte are the same competition that UEFA Europa League and Spanish Super Cup, respectively, despite the official position of UEFA and the RFEF is completely opposite to that theory. Also, in the club official website that honours are not marked like he things.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 20:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
We need to have a discussion about the player profiles. I had to do some maintenance on both Brad Friedel and Jozy Altidore's pages. The reason is because it said they were American footballer's. They're both American so they're both considered soccer players. If a footballer's sporting nationality is either American or Canadian, then he or she is considered a soccer player. If not then they would be considered a footballer. It took me a while to figure that out since joining wikipedia two years ago. But I had to fix hella lot of pages, a few of them were for this reason. – Michael ( talk) 22:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi everybody! I hope the ones that had Easter hollydays have enjoyed them well, and the others that had to work, well, I hope they didn´t worked too hard ;P . Anyway, regarding our enormous footy-micro-cosmos here, I have been a little bit tired of the sort of categories like the one I mentioned in the headline. The one I used as exemple obviously doesn´t exist (I think...), and I used it so I wouldn´t accidentally hert nobody´s nationality (exeption, Sioux and Tunguzians, sorry guys). The problem lies that some editors have been massively criating and adding this sort of categories to the football biographies.
In reality, I support the "expatriate" categories, refering to the ones wich tell where some players play: Exemple: "Expatriate footballers in Tunguzia", meaning, you can find in this category a list of all players with article that play, or have played in Tunguzia, in any point of their career. I supose the category, at its creation, meant to list all players that currently play in "Tunguzia" but, since it would be extremely hard to keep updated all the categories of all countries, nowadays they have the list of players that played there at some point.
About this sort of categories ("Expatriate footballers in Tunguzia"), I just want to say they I find them extremely usefull, and they are in many ocasions complementary to the various lists of foreign players found here ( Category:Lists_of_footballers_playing_for_a_foreign_country), because there are found the players that played beside the main, in the lower leagues of that country as well.
The problem comes when you have a retired player that played in a number of countries troughout his career. We will obviously have included (if complete) the "expatriate categories" of all the countries where he played, wich is good. But, when you start adding beside these, all the additional nationality expatriate categories, the list of categories becomes unendless and confusing. We will be doubling the categories (cat1:"Expatriate players in Siuxland", cat2:"Tunguzian expatriates in Siuxland",...)
Resumingly, isn´t too early, and unnecessary, to start applying in football biographies,this sort of categories ( Category:Expatriates by country of residence), when we still haven´t completely adopted this earlier sort of categories ( Category:Expatriate football (soccer) players)? Any opinions? FkpCascais ( talk) 00:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
A typical example (chosen more or less at random) is Mickaël Antoine-Curier who has three "French expatriates in ..." categories and three "Expatriate footballers in ..." categories. Personally, I'd sweep the whole lot away. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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This article about a very well known ground in England has been moved to Villa Park with Villa Park now redirecting to a disam page (the alternative uses being a small town and a couple of city districts in the United States). Surely the stadium is the primary topic? NB the places in the US are all qualified by state, eg Villa Park, California and don't use parentheses. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 15:18, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I've moved it back. The stadium is clearly the primary topic with this name. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 09:21, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
The issue probably belongs on the talk page of the season article task force as well, but I thought that feedback for copyright questions would be bigger on the parent talk page.
Is this use of stadium pictures within the 2009–10 Ekstraklasa article legal or is this a violation of any of the current policies or guidelines regarding copyright or the usage of pictures in general? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 17:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I've got into a disagreement with another editor regarding this section of the Aris Thessaloniki page. I'm pretty confident that use of the ticks and crosses, indicating progress or elimination from a UEFA competition, are somewhat superfluous and should be avoided. I'm equating them with the annoying letter C in a blue circle that lots of articles use to indicate captain. The other editor seems unconvinced, and on the article's talk page rattles off a load of other Greek clubs who have similar stuff on their pages, namely Iraklis_F.C.#Europe, Larissa_F.C.#European_competition_history, PAOK_FC#European_matches_panorama. I think that the featured list, List of Birmingham City F.C. records and statistics#Birmingham City in Europe, sets a good precedent. Does anyone have any opinions as to whether either/both.none of us is right? Dancarney ( talk) 08:59, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone help me find citations proving that the following games took place?
Date Competition "Home" Team "Away" Team 21 April 1894 Inter-League Match Football League XI 1 Scottish League XI 1 11 April 1896 Inter League Match Football League XI 5 Scottish League XI 1 14 March 1925 Inter-League Match Football League XI 4 Scottish League XI 3 25 September 1929 Inter-League Match Football League XI 7 Irish league XI 2 11 May 1935[nb 2] Inter-League Match Football League XI 10 Welsh Football League/Irish league XI 2 21 October 1936 Inter-League Match Football League XI 2 Scottish League XI 0 4 November 1939 Representative Match Football League XI 3 All British XI 3 19 February 1947 Inter-League Match Football League XI 4 Irish League XI 2 10 October 1951 Inter-League Match Football League XI 9 League of Ireland XI 1 7 December 1955 Inter-League Match Football League XI 5 League of Ireland XI 1
TheBigJagielka ( talk) 12:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
About a week ago, with this edit, an IP user added statistics for Charlie Austin's non-league career at the tenth tier of the English league system. Now, to me it seems very unlikely that these figures are in any way accurate and I was going to remove them but thought I had better check here to see if anyone had relevant sources to prove or disprove the stats. Cheers, Big Dom 13:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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Could someone help keep an eye on Pat Fenlon? Random IPs come on every now and again and make counterintuitive edits like removing the {{tooshort}} tag and moving the place of birth into the lead alongside the date of birth, despite this contravening WP:MOSNUM#Dates of birth and death. Cheers, Mattythewhite ( talk) 22:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi there "teammates",
In the past year or years, i think "the commission" declared that runner-up honours only qualified in domestic or European cups, not in leagues.
However, in the last weeks, i saw that third-place honours (and even fourth-place) have been inserted in several Portuguese players, hence my doubt: do third places in UEFA European Football Championships and FIFA World Cups qualify as an honour? In the former competition, there is not even a third-place match, both the semifinal losers get third automatically, only in whe WC does that match happen.
What are your views? I have doubts if the 3rd place should be an honour, the fourth should definitely not. Debate, please!
Attentively, from Portugal - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
VASCO - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 00:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
As I probably said last time this came up, the club article MoS says the section should contain "Achievements of the club including wins and second places. For clubs with a large number of major trophies, it may be appropriate to omit second places." The important word would appear to be "achievements", not medals. As to third places, I'd include them if that placing was earned in a playoff, or if it won a promotion. Clearly, for clubs that win their league title every year it would be appropriate to omit second places or lower. I don't see why the criteria should be any different for players. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 07:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Transfer season starts early (or late)! Javier Hernández (footballer) probably could use some sane editor attention. He was sold to Man Utd, but as often is the case, he's subject to work permit approval, so it's getting plenty of premature editing. -- Mosmof ( talk) 17:09, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Can we please get some community-wide comment on this issue at Talk:2010 Major League Soccer season? Thank you. -- Grant . Alpaugh 23:08, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
It seems that User:Jamen Somasu is on a mission to merge the Intercontinental Cup article into the FIFA Club World Cup article. While I know that one has sorta become the successor to the other, it is clear (at least to me), that the two should be kept as seperate articles as they are separate competitions, as well as their respective statistics articles and templates ( this, this, and this). Does anyone think the same? Digirami ( talk) 04:22, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know who this player is? It's taken from the England - Slovenia pre-game warmup but I can't figure out who it is. Image is licensed under CC-BY. JACO PLANE • 2010-04-10 11:54
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#Turkmen or Turkmenistani? for further discussion. Thanks. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 19:44, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Which is the proper name, Category:South Africa international football (soccer) players or Category:South Africa international footballers? 94.212.31.237 ( talk) 23:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
I am pleased to announce that Goodison Park now has GA status !! :) TheBigJagielka ( talk) 10:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
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I noticed that the James Milner article is rated as A-Class, it is the only A-Class article in this WikiProject, is this an oversight and should it be brought down to GA? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 12:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
I believe, possibly waywardly, that a mention of the British pools panel is a worthy addition. Should it have its own article, or be part of Football pools? - Dudesleeper talk 00:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Could someone familiar with C.D. Chivas USA players or Major League Soccer in general go through this Flickr photoset? They're apparently from a Chivas USA training session and the CC license is free enough for Wikipedia, but the players are not identified and there are no helpful squad numbers. -- Mosmof ( talk) 04:09, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Looks like User:Biala Gwiazda is up to his old tricks again. Per these three links ( [8], [9] and [10]), I uploaded this version of the Euro 2012 logo to replace this version as it seems to be the more commonly used one. User:Biala Gwiazda seems to have taken this as an affront to him personally and refuses to accept the change. If there is consensus for it, I would be happy to use the previous version, but it does seem to me as if the version I uploaded is the more preferable one. After all, the graphic portion of the logo is more clear in the version I uploaded. – Pee Jay 00:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Is David Beckham currently registered with Milan or the Los Angeles Galaxy? We all know that his injuries will keep him out of action with Milan until the end of his loan and that he has relocated back to Southern California, but does that mean we should change his infobox to indicate that the loan has ended? I honestly don't know the answer, but absent a source indicating that the loan has been terminated, I don't think we should be changing the registration status of such a high profile player, when all of the sources about his loan status say that Beckham is on loan to Milan until June. -- Grant . Alpaugh 23:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
This article - Aad de Mos - makes no sense at all. 77.250.200.70 ( talk) 14:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone shed any light on this one?
The player does not show up in the current Dagenham & Redbridge squad on their official website [11]. An advanced google search of the official website indicates no 'Ben Stevens'. The edit history for this article seems dubious and has a lot of IP edits
There is a Ben Strevens who played for Dagenhan until 2009 when he moved to Brenford. There does seem to have been a persistent mistaking of Strevens for Stevens - see Dagenham fansite [12] which notes: "Stevens" - The name used by away announcers for a player better known as Ben Strevens.
The Ben Stevens page was created by a user and makes various claims around possible criminal activities so a quick decision needed on this one... Steve-Ho ( talk) 09:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I couldn't find it at the article page, and if I posted on it's talk it wouldn't get answered for ages. Quick content/rules question, if you perform a throw in and chuck it straight into the goal with no contact from anyone else, is it a goal? Has it ever happened? SGGH ping! 20:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks guys. SGGH ping! 21:29, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone here considered consolidating the navigational templates used for the various leagues around the world? A user recently tried to do that with the Colombian league. Because it was done very poorly, I reverted his edits. But the idea isn't that bad or far-fetched. Major League Soccer and other American sports league do it (and some other non-American league football leagues do something close, but not so cleanly), and I think it could make things simpler. What does everyone think of the idea? Digirami ( talk) 21:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
In lists of honours won by English football clubs, should First Division (until 1992) and Premier League titles be listed together, as in Arsenal F.C.#Honours; or separately, as in Manchester United F.C.#Honours? User:DoctorHver obviously prefers the former style, and has been attempting to change the Manchester United article to match it, but I disagree as the First Division and the Premier League are entirely separate competitions. The Premier League may now occupy the same level on the English football pyramid as the First Division once occupied, but they are separate. Aren't they? – Pee Jay 02:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
A.F.C. Aldermaston makes repeated mention of the team playing next year in this league, but I can't find any other evidence of the league's existence, and the only Google hits seem to be scrapes of one BBC report. It doesn't seem to be a sponsored name for the Hampshire League as far as I can see. Any ideas.....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that someone has created several of these categories for clubs that don't even have an article (e.g., Category:Marcali VFC footballers) and have very few articles that are included (or could be included) in the category. Should these be deleted? I suppose there's no harm in having the category, but it's odd without the club having an article. Jogurney ( talk) 16:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
This is presently a dreadful little article, but I can't help but feel that there might be enough reliable sources that it could be saved. Anyone fancy a challenge? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:43, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
We have conflicting sources regarding this player's name; can anyone get down to the bottom of it please? Cheers, Giant Snowman 04:09, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
I just happened to visit Category:County Cup competitions and I noticed that there are a number of season articles for some of these competitions. The question is do these competitions warrant individual season articles? Thoughts please. Bettia (talk) 20:12, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
I was just editing Gabriel Milito, when i saw that the honours won by the player at FC Barcelona in 2008–09 still remain there (i am not going to remove them again, rest assured), which brings the question:
I think when a player trains, even if he does not play (a good case could be the third-choice goalkeeper or, in default, the second), he still merits to have the honours inserted in his page, because he was an active part of the squad. However, Milito did not train for one second in the season mentioned above (unless you include fitness sessions in the gym!), that is why i always thought the honours should not be there.
Debate, please, cheers,
VASCO - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:02, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Before I propose an article for an AfD, can someone confirm (or not, as the case may be) that a player who has only played at Conference South or lower does not pass the Notability guidelines. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 18:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to request a "Peer review" on the Goodison Park article but I don't know how to do it. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 11:31, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Muhammed Aburub seems like a hoax to me (he was a professional football player at the age of 15?), could somebody please check it out? Woogee ( talk) 04:53, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Why have the disambiguation page at all? There is no need to have Chester F.C. (2010) (name "year") This naming convention seems wrong. You don't need that disambiguation page in the middle when it is going to have just two results. Where one article finishes and the other starts via the time-lines. That's how it should be shouldn't it? Govvy ( talk) 23:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I posted this here on March 3, and I was advised to mail UEFA. I mailed them on March 7, but they have so far neither replied me nor fixed the links we have on our pages. However, I just saw this discussion and this one. They suggest that it's not UEFA's fault, but rather we have to modify all the references so they can match the new format introduced by UEFA. What shall we do now? -- Магьосник ( talk) 03:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, is it a good idea to include this in FC Schalke 04's article? A similar image was included in Hertha BSC's article. Personally, I think that these images are ugly, but I would like to know what others think. -- Jaellee ( talk) 10:24, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I'm having a battle with someone regarding Ryan Johnson's page. Grk1011 is telling me that he moved the page to Ryan Johnson (soccer), which I don't really get because he's Jamaican, he played for the Jamaican national team, so I don't understand. But he was saying that he moved it because he's an American citizen, which is true, but doesn't nationality come first? – Michael ( talk) 17:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I have been debating with folks at WP:HOCKEY about navboxes. Can you please make sure that I am representing the soccer/football position on the policy User:TonyTheTiger/sandbox/Hockey mafia issue correctly.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 17:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
One of our internal discussion pages, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues, got somehow blanked when a new section was created. Can an admin restore the deleted content with the new section at the bottom? I assume that's possible, but it's beyond my knowledge of how. matt91486 ( talk) 20:49, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone has come across a team called "Nottingham County"? One of my books makes reference to this team - specifically they appear in lists of West Bromwich Albion friendly matches (in 1887, 1888, 1893 and 1894 - I can give dates and scorelines as well if that helps). My first thought was that it is a typo and should be Notts County, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking something, particularly as "Notts County" appears elsewhere within the same pages. Another thought I had was that it could have been some kind of representative team. I can find no reference to it elsewhere though. -- Jameboy ( talk) 15:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I recently proposed an AfD for Sheffield United (Hong Kong) (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sheffield United (Hong Kong)). During the discussion, someone pointed out that the team is listed as having played in the Hong Kong First Division League 2008–09 season. However, my concern is what happened to them after that. According to Hong Kong First Division League 2008–09, Sheffield United (Hong Kong) finished high enough to avoid being relegated for the 2009-10 season, yet they aren't playing in the 2009–10 Hong Kong First Division League season. What happened to them?
By the same token, Hong Kong First Division League#Exceptions says that two clubs were exempt from relegation, the Army and the Police football teams. However, neither of those clubs is actually playing in the HK First Division now. What happened to them? -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
As you might have noticed, the league season article categories have recently been renamed in order to match the changed naming structure. Next up in line are the cup season categories; in relevance to the moves, there were two questions raised by Theilert ( talk · contribs), which I hereby copy and paste from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy. Feel free to comment. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 22:04, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
- Should these categories be categorized in Category:Seasons in association football by year as well? Or should we create new parent categories like; Category:Domestic association football cups by year and Category:Domestic association football leagues by year, and finally categorize the two new parent categories into Category:Seasons in association football by year? lil2mas ( talk) 16:24, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
- Independent of the outcome above, should we rename Category:Seasons in association football by year to Category:Association football seasons by year, and do the same with " by country" and " by club" to match Category:Association football seasons by competition? This would match the parent category Category:Association football seasons, but if "Seasons in" is more correct we could do a reverse rename. As long as we gain consistency, I will be happy! lil2mas ( talk) 16:24, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
1. I'm not sure there's a need for a separate cups by year category. 2. I think the 'Association football seasons by year' is better. Eldumpo ( talk) 22:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. — Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Despite this reference [19] I can find no statistical evidence that Speight played in the Football League for either Stockport or Rochdale (checking Neil Brown and allfootballers). Can anyone confirm whether he played for either Chicago Sting or Finn Harps. Thanks. Eldumpo ( talk) 20:55, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone else got a view on the accuracy of the playerhistory site or an alternative source to show he played for Finn Harps, else he may be a candidate for deletion? Eldumpo ( talk) 17:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I contribute to Wikipedia in French and I came accross this page: Professional L (redirected from Professional Leagues). The original page was European Professional Football Leagues, that's actually the page linked to the article in French ( fr:European Professional Football Leagues). But it's been moved twice and then deleted. The Professional L page has aslo been moved, it seems a bit messy. Is this normal? Shouldn't the "right" page be European Professional Football Leagues? fr:User:Ben5 14:30, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.67.243.232 ( talk)
Two questions:
I await your comments with interest. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:21, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I work on italian wikipedia and I'm creating some pages (Serie A players from the past, 50 or more years ago), if you're interested in translating them in english I can list them.. I can also write you the updated voices.. 93.33.3.66 ( talk) 21:30, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
The England national under-18 football team article has not been updated since April 2008 and, as such, is rather pointless. Is anyone interested in bringing it up to date? Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Is it time to revisit/refresh the Football Notability criteria in the light of discussions at [22], which seems to show broad support for the individual sports defining notability. I would question the use of 'fully professional' without an agreed definition, although perhaps any specific comments are best at the FN talk page? Eldumpo ( talk) 18:39, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Is Marcos (footballer) real? If not, can anyone delete it, or request for it to be deleted? Thanks. — Martin tamb ( talk) 10:18, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
There is an edit conflict on the Fb cl templates at the 2009–10 Ukrainian Premier League article. Brudder Andrusha and an anonymous person keeps revert the baseline of the qualification and add a template called "Europe". That's not the usage of the Fb cl templates.
The standard league table shows following:
{{Fb cl header}}<!--Put "y" after the "qualified=" if the teams are actually qualified for the competition-->
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 1|t=[[FC Dynamo Kyiv]]|w=18 |d= 5 |l= 1 |gf=50 |ga=13|bc=#ACE1AF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |competition=[[2010–11 UEFA Champions League#Group stage|2010–11 UEFA Champions League Group stage]]}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 2|t=[[FC Shakhtar Donetsk|Shakhtar Donetsk]]|w=18 |d= 5 |l= 1 |gf=50 |ga=16|bc=#D0F0C0|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |competition=[[2010–11 UEFA Champions League#Third qualifying round|2010–11 UEFA Champions League Third qualifying round]]}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 3|t=[[FC Metalist Kharkiv|Metalist Kharkiv]]|w=14 |d= 4 |l= 6 |gf=37 |ga=21|bc=8ACEFF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |competition=[[2010–11 UEFA Europa League#Play-off round|2010–11 UEFA Europa League Play-off round]]}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 4|t=[[FC Dnipro|Dnipro]]|w=12 |d= 7 |l= 5 |gf=37 |ga=20|bc=#97DEFF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |competition=[[2010–11 UEFA Europa League#Third qualifying round|2010–11 UEFA Europa League Third qualifying round]]}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 5|t=[[FC Karpaty Lviv|Karpaty Lviv]]|w=11 |d= 8 |l= 4 |gf=38 |ga=27|bc=#BBEBFF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |competition=[[2010–11 UEFA Europa League#Second qualifying round|2010–11 UEFA Europa League Second qualifying round]]}}
|-
|colspan=11|Skipped
{{Fb cl2 team |p=15|t=[[FC Zorya Luhansk|Zorya Luhansk]]|w= 4 |d= 5 |l=14 |gf=17 |ga=40|bc=#FFCCCC}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |rows=2 |relegation=y|competition=[[2010–11 Ukrainian First League|First League]]}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p=16|t=[[FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih|Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih]]|w= 4 |d= 3 |l=17 |gf=24 |ga=43|bc=#FFCCCC}}
{{Fb cl footer|u=11 April 2010 |s=[http://www.fpl.com.ua/ Premier League website {{uk icon|date=April 2010}}|orfc=1<sup>st</sup> points; 2<sup>nd</sup> goal difference; 3<sup>rd</sup> goals scored; 4<sup>th</sup> fair play<ref name="Regulations"/>}}
The row of "Qualification or relegation" is showing the fate if the teams reached the place at the final, instead of showing the ensured qualification or ensured European qualification. However, in their knowledge, the row has been used like that. All of the articles except Ukrainian Premier League articles (this did not occur for this year only, it has been occured last year) use the row of "Qualification or relegation" for the baseline. However, Ukarinian Premier League use a different kind of knowledge, which affects readers to understand. Raymond "Giggs" Ko 14:48, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
{{Fb cl header}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 1|t=[[FC Dynamo Kyiv]]|w=18 |d= 5 |l= 1 |gf=50 |ga=13|bc=#ACE1AF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |rows=2 |competition=2010-11 Europe }}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 2|t=[[FC Shakhtar Donetsk|Shakhtar Donetsk]]|w=18 |d= 5 |l= 1 |gf=50 |ga=16|bc=#D0F0C0|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 3|t=[[FC Metalist Kharkiv|Metalist Kharkiv]]|w=14 |d= 4 |l= 6 |gf=37 |ga=21|bc=8ACEFF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 4|t=[[FC Dnipro|Dnipro]]|w=12 |d= 7 |l= 5 |gf=37 |ga=20|bc=#97DEFF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 5|t=[[FC Karpaty Lviv|Karpaty Lviv]]|w=11 |d= 8 |l= 4 |gf=38 |ga=27|bc=#BBEBFF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl footer|u=11 April 2010 |s=[http://www.fpl.com.ua/ Premier League website {{uk icon|date=April 2010}}|orfc=1<sup>st</sup> points; 2<sup>nd</sup> goal difference; 3<sup>rd</sup> goals scored; 4<sup>th</sup> fair play<ref name="Regulations"/>|other=yes}}
The column in Fb is "Qualification or Relegation" and such is the valid situation currently in the Ukrainian Premier League season 2009–10 season when both top teams have qualified for European football for the 2010–11 season.
Again, the template signifies a correct situation for the current state of qualification. The template is used correctly defined in the "Qualification or relegation" column of the Fb template. That is what templates are used for. The use of "Qualification or relegation" in 2009–10 La Liga is in violation of WP:FUTURE where the links are incorrectly directing teams that have NOT qualified yet for those stages of the competition.
Brudder Andrusha ( talk) 13:58, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred. It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced. It is not appropriate for editors to insert their own opinions or analyses. In forward-looking articles about unreleased products, such as movies and games, take special care to avoid advertising and unverified claims. In particular:
1. Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place. If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. Examples of appropriate topics include the 2012 U.S. presidential election and 2020 Summer Olympics. By comparison, the 2020 U.S. presidential election and 2036 Summer Olympics are not appropriate article topics if nothing can be said about them that is verifiable and not original research. Avoid predicted sports team line-ups, which are inherently unverifiable and speculative. A schedule of future events may be appropriate if it can be verified.
2. Individual items from a predetermined list or a systematic pattern of names, pre-assigned to future events or discoveries, are not suitable article topics, if only generic information is known about the item. Lists of tropical cyclone names is encyclopedic; "Tropical Storm Alberto (2012)" is not, even though it is virtually certain that a storm of that name will occur in the North Atlantic and will turn counterclockwise. Similarly, articles about words formed on a predictable numeric system (such as "septenquinquagintillion") are not encyclopedic unless they are defined on good authority, or genuinely in use. Certain scientific extrapolations are considered to be encyclopedic, such as chemical elements documented by IUPAC before isolation in the laboratory.
3. Articles that present extrapolation, speculation, and "future history" are original research and therefore inappropriate. While scientific and cultural norms continually evolve, we must wait for this evolution to happen, rather than try to predict it. Of course, we do and should have articles about notable artistic works, essays, or credible research that embody predictions. An article on Weapons of Star Trek is appropriate; an article on "Weapons to be used in World War III" is not.
4. While currently accepted scientific paradigms may later be rejected, and hypotheses previously held to be controversial or incorrect sometimes become accepted by the scientific community, it is not the place of Wikipedia to venture such projections.
And again you are incorrect in your assumption. It is the team that qualifies to the tournament not the position. Brudder Andrusha ( talk) 19:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Then the qualification is given to the team which occupy the place after the last fixture of the league, not the team. Team already confirmed could use the (Q) for indication. It solved the problem of extrapolation, speculation, and "future history". 2 and 4 are not applicable as they are about topic naming and science respectively. Raymond "Giggs" Ko 03:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Good enough for UEFA and FIFA good enough for us? cha ndl er 03:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Also, there is a TfD here. Please discuss to determine if it is not valid. Raymond "Giggs" Ko 17:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
<sarcasm>A radical new idea has popped up in 2009–10 Ukrainian Premier League.</sarcasm> Any opinions on this chart? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 00:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
In a recent book I read [Gods, Mongrels & Demons (London: Bloomsbury, 2004), p. 363] the author Angus Calder says that a Private named T. Billingham, who tried to recover Walter Tull's body, "had played soccer with him for Northampton Town." Does anyone know the identity of this enigmatic player, and if he was related to another Northampton Town player born in 1914 (son, nephew?) called Jack Billingham? Giant Snowman 01:07, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone have any sources for Scottish League players that could be used to add the stats for Mike McCulloch who played for Falkirk between 1913 and 1921, and Hearts between 1921 and 1922. Cheers, Big Dom 20:01, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Just to give everyone a head's up, I have started a thread in the season article task force's talkpage to discuss how club season articles should be structured and organized. Input is welcomed. Link available here. Thanks. Digirami ( talk) 06:19, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I have just had to manually clean up 26 separate malicious edits from the user JamesH1381 in the 2009–10 Premier Reserve League page. These edits ranged from filling in 12-0, 6-0, 8-0 results into fixtures that have not yet been played. Changing the league table to reflect these edits. Stating that 2 teams had 'points dropped due to playing players with the wrong name'. Filling in the playoff final result as 5-0 to Man Utd - a match that's being played on May 3rd. Changing the 'biggest away win' to be Burnley 0-7 Man Utd - a match that is being played next Thursday. Giving Mame Diouf 7 goals he hasn't scored just to make him top scorer. I would like someone with the relevant powers to stop further vandalism of that page please Bealzbob ( talk) 17:31, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone fix this table so that it sorts properly:
Position | Name | Football League | FA Cup | Total | |||
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Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | ||
FW |
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13 | 6 | 4 | 4 | 17 | 10 |
DF |
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15 | 6 | 4 | 6 | 19 | 12 |
GK |
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4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 0 |
Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:54, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Position | Nationality | Name | League Apps |
League Goals |
FA Cup Apps |
FA Cup Goals |
Total Apps |
Total Goals |
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FW |
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Jack Angus | 13 | 6 | 4 | 4 | 17 | 10 |
DF |
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Charles Baker | 15 | 6 | 4 | 6 | 19 | 12 |
GK |
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Jack Barrett | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 0 |
You only need give a value to the position if you want it to sort into GK/DF/MF/FW rather than just alphabetical. And if you include the country name with the flag, as per the MoS, by using {{
flag}} or {{
fb}} rather than {{
flagicon}}, it sorts OK.
Position | Nationality | Name | League apps |
League goals |
FA Cup apps |
FA Cup goals |
Total apps |
Total goals |
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FW | ![]() |
Jack Angus | 13 | 6 | 4 | 4 | 17 | 10 |
DF | ![]() |
Charles Baker | 15 | 6 | 4 | 6 | 19 | 12 |
GK | ![]() |
Jack Barrett | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 0 |
Take your pick :-) cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 13:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I shall gladly make a positions-by-round table for the 2009–10 A PFG article, just like this, this or this, but there's something I'd like to ask first. The match between Levski Sofia and Litex Lovech was due to be played during the 3rd round, but was postponed for one reason or another. This was the league table after the 3rd round was held on August 21-24, 2009. All teams had played three games, except Levski, who remained 3rd in the table, and Litex, who remained 11th. Levski and Litex were always one match behind until November 25, 2009, when the postponed fixture between the two teams was held. Here's what the table looked like just before that game. Levski and Litex had played 12 games while all the other teams had already played 13; Litex were leaders in the table while Levski were 5th. After the match ended with a 2-2 draw, all teams had already played an equal number of games. Litex retained their first position, but Levski moved up one place thanks to the point they earned. So my question is: given this situation, can a positions-by-round table be made, and if so, how should I make it? I can see there's no such a table in the 2009–10 Premier League article, which documents a season when many games were postponed. -- Магьосник ( talk) 09:14, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I can see a lot has been written here since I was last available. Maybe a positions-by-round table is inappropriate for Wikipedia considering the above arguments. I took a look at the 2009–10 Premier League article and found much content that could be classified as pointless as well. If everything that matters is the final positions in the table, and if everything related to chronological events throughout the season is to be deprecated, then why does the article contain the following sections?
Also, with what are the following parts of the content more important than the PBR table, and with what do they satisfy WP:NOT#STATS more than the PBR table does?
Moreover, I agree with Brudder Andrusha that a PBR table could give the reader some idea about how a team performed during the season. But I also agree that it will be misleading in the event of games getting postponed. -- Магьосник ( talk) 03:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Please could those who worked on the Featured List List of FA Cup winners have a look at my comment on the talk page there. The list currently contradicts one of my GA noms under review (specifically around whether extra time was played in the 1886 FA Cup Final) so I would be really grateful if we could clear up any confusion quickly. Cheers! -- Jameboy ( talk) 23:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
In Internet Explorer this article appears to have a huge whitespace in the middle, but I can't figure out why. Any ideas.......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I see quite a lot of footballers being listed as playing for either of these clubs [25], but with nothing on the web to back this up - I'm not entirely sure that either club actually exists. Can anyone shed any light? ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 15:53, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Category:Association football players with an unknown status, which is under the purview of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Black Falcon ( talk) 21:59, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Do we really need an article dedicated to listing all the goalscorers in a continental tournament? One was made for the 2010 Copa Libertadores and it seems a bit much. Digirami ( talk) 04:03, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
There are 4,126 unassessed football articles. Maybe we should start paying attention to more articles. Kingjeff ( talk) 04:59, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
I know I specifically mentioned the unasessed articles. But I think we also should focus on Stub-Class football articles which is at 75,358 and Start-Class football articles which is at 17,221. The greater issue is that these 3 categories are grossly high numbers and every effort should be made to bring these numbers down. Kingjeff ( talk) 02:36, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I work on italian wikipedia where sometime I enlarge stubs.. if you want we can create a cooperation to help each other, you say me what is the stub on en.wikipedia you want informations (in basic english, my english isn't a great thing) you write me in simple english the informations about players from en.wikipedia I'd like enlarge.. then if there is an italophone we can make a still better work.. 93.32.229.34 ( talk) 18:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I didn't find anything about this topic in the archives and hope it hasn't been discussed to death yet, but I'm discussing with a user about putting negative goals (= goals conceded) in goalkeeper's infoboxes (like this) as most of the goalkeepers never score any goals and the number of goals conceded could indicate the performance of the goalkeeper. Personally I think that negative numbers do not belong into players' infoboxes as this stands for goals that the player has been awarded in league competition only for each professional club. So would it be a possibility to create special infoboxes for goalkeepers? I'm not sure whether this is a good idea (is information about conceded goals widely available?) but I want to know what others think. -- Jaellee ( talk) 18:33, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
The Stub-Class football articles category stands at 75,358 total articles. Would anybody be interested in starting a WikiProject based on improving Stub-Class articles? Kingjeff ( talk) 02:57, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I do not know if this is the right place to mention but I would want to object about the 50 games limit for notable players, particullary for Argentine teams. Is very common for young players to move abroad after 1 season (that would be Apertura & Clausura tournaments). There are plenty of examples , only for Banfield we have Fernando Ortiz, Mariano Barbosa, Paletta, Datolo, and surely James by June -- Jor70 ( talk) 13:59, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
There are currently 288 articles about national football team results in Category:National association football team results and its subcategories, and approximately 20 formats are represented in the titles of these 288 articles:
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3 use the format List of {Foo} national football team results
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2 use the format List of official matches of the {Foo}ian national football team
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1 uses the format {Year} in {Foo}ian football
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I am posting this breakdown here in the hope that the members of this project could consider and arrive at a consensus for more standardized naming of these articles. The most common format, {Foo} national football team {Year}, is unfortunately one of my least-preferred (the year should at least be in parentheses), but I think that standardizing to any one format would be an improvement over using 20. Thank you, -- Black Falcon ( talk) 01:45, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
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Just wondering if the above user was out of order with this edit before I go about reinstating the images. I only just noticed it. - Dudesleeper talk 01:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
When I added my earlier comment, I had not checked on the images' copyright status - this was not the reason given for removal in the edit summaries from J Milburn. I agree with Jameboy that many of the "disputed" images are probably out of copyright, but I'll leave it to Dudesleeper to undertake the necessary research. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
User:Jamen Somasu refuses to accept that Shakhtar Donetsk are still the defending champions of the UEFA Europa League despite being knocked out by Fulham. Obviously it is possible for a team to remain as the defending champions even when they are not involved in the following season of a competition, right? – Pee Jay 18:02, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I think it's acceptable to call them defending champions until this year's final is completed. Eldumpo ( talk) 17:16, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
This prod worries me. I think it needs an AfD, particularly because of the claims of playing a friendly for Jamaica's national side. -- Dweller ( talk) 11:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Why do articles about English Football League during '60s link to the same season of Fairs Cup and not to the following Fairs season? ( exemple) -- 95.236.141.128 ( talk) 15:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
914 football articles link to CBF which gives me "Server Error in '/' Application. The resource cannot be found." and always has since I first removed one some months ago. 606 football articles link to Sambafoot which possibly had some sort of player database at one point, but now simply links to an article on heel pain and foot care. Is there an easy clean-up option somewhere for this sort of thing?--ClubOranje T 13:24, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I was hoping that someone with the means could help me out. There's a goalkeeper, Fred Hobbs, listed in my very unreliable Blackpool F.C. book, whom I have in my sandbox list, yet in List of Blackpool F.C. players, there's a John Hobbs. Neither of these appear in Michael Joyce's Football League Players' Records 1888 to 1939. Have there been two Hobbs's at Blackpool, or is this an error? - Dudesleeper talk 23:46, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Steve Bloomer's article mentions that he briefly coached in the Netherlands, but does not mention a team or reference. Does anybody know which team it is, or where I can find this? -- 131.155.56.90 ( talk) 13:32, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
It seems that this article is an hoax (the player exists but all relevent info are highly unprovable). Based on verified french information [1] (and [2]) and on the site of Cardiff, all info might be made up. Please verify. More info can be found on french wikipedia here : fr:Discussion_Projet:Football/Archive14#Mohamed_Taidara. no information found on the player registration for transfer of the player. Loreleil ( talk) 18:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC) Further inforamtion of highly probable hoax : based on the official Cardiff Roaster no sign of the player. based on a strange cardiff roaster (who claimed to be the official website) we strangely find the player. Further proof of an attempt of an Hoax : a somehow serious Greece Senegal report from SkySports doesn't speak about this player was a french compromised site tells us that the player is part of the team and played this match : [3] Loreleil ( talk) 18:57, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I know that we've had issues over the misuse or overuse of flags, but I think the editors of the Lithuania national football team have figured it out. The use of {{flagicon|Earth}} for unattached players was just far too funny to keep to myself. I hope someone else laughed as much as I did. JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 12:48, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
On a slight tangent to this discussion, I've posted a comment at Template talk:Football squad player#Country names regarding the lack of country names on the output of the {{ fs player}} template. I haven't had any response there, so I thought I'd mention it here to reach a wider audience. Basically, I think that {{fs player}} should use {{ flag}}, rather than {{ flagicon}} as it does now. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 13:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
A new article has been started, Chester FC, for the new club formed by fans of the former Chester City F.C.. Please could an admin move the new article to Chester F.C., as this already exists, but as a redirect. Thanks. Dancarney ( talk) 13:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Since I am currently in the prossess of changing the 2. Bundesliga articles to use the fb cl template, I was wondering if there were any existing naming conventions for clubs listed in league tables, particularly when there are two clubs from the same city playing in the same league? For example, both 1. FC Köln and Fortuna Köln played in 2. Bundesliga in the 1998–99 season. Under the current templating the former is refered to simply as Köln, while the latter uses the full name. To me this seems slightly POV, since implies that 1. FC is more associated with the city of Cologne than Fortuna. Thoughts on this? Sir Sputnik ( talk) 15:18, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Would some kind soul please clean-up his article? I would myself but don't have time right now. I checked it to see what had been done as he was transferred yesterday and its an absolute mess. All links have been removed from the lead and two sections have been added which don't improve it at all. Cheers. Argyle 4 Life ( talk) 15:28, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
More eyes requested at Ewood Park, where NPOV appears to have gone out of the window in favour of essays about hooliganism. Oldelpaso ( talk) 15:06, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
What do you think.......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
The article on Raúl González is not very good. I would have thought that Wikipedi would have a better article for the all-time top scorer of the Champions League, especially looking at other player articles. 77.250.200.70 ( talk) 08:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
At the moment Ryan Kendall redirects to a section of Black Condor without any hatnote. The entry on the footballer recently created is instead at Ryan Kendall (footballer). This doesn't seem to be right to me. Surely the footballer should be the main entry with a hatnote to the character of Black Condor, who be instead be something like Ryan Kendall (Black Condor character). 91.106.99.99 ( talk) 22:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi all. Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, but seeing as I edit a football page it's as good as any. A certain IP address keeps making half-baked updates to the 2009-10 Premier Reserve League page. The IP is 86.163.108.154 and they always only update the Liverpool result and then not even properly. I need a steward to block that IP address. I put a lot of time into that page and it's not so that someone can mess it up! Rgds Bealzbob —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bealzbob ( talk • contribs) 22:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
OK I don't know if this will be seen because it's archive but the 2009–10 Premier Reserve League has just been vandalised by one of our own users JamesH1381. He has add 12-0, 6-0, 8-0, 7-0 wins to all matches that are unplayed and has made the stats all incorrect. I am now attempting to rectify this but can someone with the power to do so, please stop this guys from doing further damage? Bealzbob ( talk) 17:05, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey folks,
Lionel Messi seems to have some regular problems with quality / POV which are unbefitting its importance to the project. Any experts fancy giving the current version a look to see if there are still issues? This really needs to go to GA at some point. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Short question –- since all the categories in Category:Association football by year have been renamed, every subcategory of these, for example Category:2009–10 domestic football (soccer) leagues or Category:2009-10 domestic football (soccer) cups, should be renamed as well, shouldn't they? I thought I'd better ask before creating Category:2010–11 domestic association football leagues and Category:2010–11 domestic association football cups... -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 20:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm doing some work on ice hockey and came across Sparta Prague. A quick glance at the Czech WP revealed that it is a multi-sport club. There is no article for the club itself, but the association football, ice hockey, and rugby union clubs all have their own pages that are also inconsistently named, Sparta Prague, HC Sparta Praha, and RC Sparta Prague. I was going to put together a brief article for the multisport club that would link the three and have its own category as a multi-sport club, but I'm not sure what to name it. (Also, the hockey club has HC Sparta Prague as a redirect; could an admin fix it so that they all use the same base name, "Sparta Prague". Thanks.) The Czech WP doesn't seem to be much help, as the football club is cs:AC Sparta Praha, and the parent club is cs:Association Club Sparta Praha. Thoughts? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 14:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Over at Talk:2010 Major League Soccer season, we're having a discussion about the decision to link the standings table to the respective team season articles via the team's name in the table. That is to say, when it says "Los Angeles Galaxy" in the league table, it links to 2010 Los Angeles Galaxy season article instead of directly to the Los Angeles Galaxy article. I disagree with this practice, as only the 2010 and 2009 seasons are following this practice, but not the first 13 seasons of MLS. The proponents of linking to the team season articles argue that this is comonplace in the other North American sports league season articles, like 2009 Major League Baseball season and 2009–10 NHL season. It should be pointed out that in the 2009 NFL season article, the division standings are linked to the main team article, but there is a seperate "Details" link to the team season articles, while the 2009–10 NBA season links the standings table to the team articles without any "Details" link or anything similar. It should also be pointed out that even in league season articles that provide links to team season articles, they only do this for the last few seasons. Furthermore, this practice is not followed in the articles about the MLS Cup Playoffs, Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup, or CONCACAF Champions League, despite the fact that MLS clubs compete in these competitions alongside the MLS season. Because this practice is not found in the articles about any other major footy competition worldwide, I don't think it should be found in the MLS articles, but I may well be wrong. Either way, anyone who would like to comment either in favor or in opposition would be welcome. -- Grant . Alpaugh 15:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
I think that I've found an excellent and reliable source about this matter. Please you consult this: [4] -- 87.14.62.179 ( talk) 08:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Would someone with administrative priviledges or WP:ROLL please restore Plymouth Argyle F.C. to User:Phenom V1.0's last revision. I have reverted vandalism on that page numerous times in the last couple of months, but this is the first time I've encountered multiple edits bunched together and I'm not sure how to correct it without using WP:ROLL. Its getting extremely tedious, but my request to protect the page fell on death ears a few weeks ago. Thank you. Argyle 4 Life ( talk) 19:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
This is in regards to 2010 Major League Soccer season so American editors might be more interested. When a coach (or anyone) is terminated in the States it is referred to as "fired". "Sacked" is a term often used in Europe when managers are let go. I'm not sure if little-used international jargon is appropriate in an American article. However, it is an international game. Any thoughts? I don;t really care but there has been recent some back and forth on it. Cptnono ( talk) 04:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Why are we having this debate when there are all manner of unambiguous synonyms, most predominantly "dismissed"? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
While converting the templates using fb start/end to conventional Navboxes, I stumbled across Template:Succession of Yugoslav First League. First question: Does this template make sense (or in other words, is it useful and worth keeping)? If the answer to this question is yes – has anybody an idea how to convert this beauty? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 00:08, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
I wanted to throw a reminder out there regarding the push to clar out some of the GAN backlog. It can be fun and there is some project related stuff on there (Goodison Park needs some love so I don't fail it). Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN backlog elimination drives/April 2010 if you want to do a couple. Cptnono ( talk) 12:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
1. Can anyone confirm which Harry Taylor was Halifax's manager in 1956-7 [5]. The Halifax manager section on Wiki [6] has a link to Harry Taylor (footballer), but there are 5 Harry Taylor's on allfootballers.com (I don't subscribe), plus there are another three Harold Taylor's.
2. Similarly, the 1936 reference on Wiki to Jimmy Thompson is wrong, as there are two sources showing it's Thomson without the 'p'. Allfootballers has 5 Jimmy/Jim/James Thomson's that could work time-wise - anyone know which one.
Or, for both cases, it could even be the manager was not a former footballer? Any help appreciated. Eldumpo ( talk) 11:31, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again for your help. I have made the changes/refs, and made Taylor and Booth as normal text on the list. Given Taylor was the chairman at the time it's not that likely that he was a former player, but if anyone knows different let me know. Eldumpo ( talk) 08:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering whether "goalscorer" or "goal scorer" is correct or is either acceptable? Both forms return plenty of search results. Also I'm not sure whether there are colloquial differences in usage? Is it something that we have a standard for (or if not, should we?), particularly where used in article titles? Would be interested to hear thoughts. -- Jameboy ( talk) 13:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't think there's much difference between them, and suggest that we do not need to seek a preferred version. Eldumpo ( talk) 08:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Page in it's current state is a practically word-for-word copy from a website, so if anyone wants the page to continue existing, you'd better go through the history to find an edit where it's not, because I'm not doing your rabbit-hunting for you. Half Shadow 18:31, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I appreciate an administrator to check this page after the editions of this user, who believe that Fairs Cup and Copa Eva Duarte are the same competition that UEFA Europa League and Spanish Super Cup, respectively, despite the official position of UEFA and the RFEF is completely opposite to that theory. Also, in the club official website that honours are not marked like he things.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 20:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
We need to have a discussion about the player profiles. I had to do some maintenance on both Brad Friedel and Jozy Altidore's pages. The reason is because it said they were American footballer's. They're both American so they're both considered soccer players. If a footballer's sporting nationality is either American or Canadian, then he or she is considered a soccer player. If not then they would be considered a footballer. It took me a while to figure that out since joining wikipedia two years ago. But I had to fix hella lot of pages, a few of them were for this reason. – Michael ( talk) 22:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi everybody! I hope the ones that had Easter hollydays have enjoyed them well, and the others that had to work, well, I hope they didn´t worked too hard ;P . Anyway, regarding our enormous footy-micro-cosmos here, I have been a little bit tired of the sort of categories like the one I mentioned in the headline. The one I used as exemple obviously doesn´t exist (I think...), and I used it so I wouldn´t accidentally hert nobody´s nationality (exeption, Sioux and Tunguzians, sorry guys). The problem lies that some editors have been massively criating and adding this sort of categories to the football biographies.
In reality, I support the "expatriate" categories, refering to the ones wich tell where some players play: Exemple: "Expatriate footballers in Tunguzia", meaning, you can find in this category a list of all players with article that play, or have played in Tunguzia, in any point of their career. I supose the category, at its creation, meant to list all players that currently play in "Tunguzia" but, since it would be extremely hard to keep updated all the categories of all countries, nowadays they have the list of players that played there at some point.
About this sort of categories ("Expatriate footballers in Tunguzia"), I just want to say they I find them extremely usefull, and they are in many ocasions complementary to the various lists of foreign players found here ( Category:Lists_of_footballers_playing_for_a_foreign_country), because there are found the players that played beside the main, in the lower leagues of that country as well.
The problem comes when you have a retired player that played in a number of countries troughout his career. We will obviously have included (if complete) the "expatriate categories" of all the countries where he played, wich is good. But, when you start adding beside these, all the additional nationality expatriate categories, the list of categories becomes unendless and confusing. We will be doubling the categories (cat1:"Expatriate players in Siuxland", cat2:"Tunguzian expatriates in Siuxland",...)
Resumingly, isn´t too early, and unnecessary, to start applying in football biographies,this sort of categories ( Category:Expatriates by country of residence), when we still haven´t completely adopted this earlier sort of categories ( Category:Expatriate football (soccer) players)? Any opinions? FkpCascais ( talk) 00:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
A typical example (chosen more or less at random) is Mickaël Antoine-Curier who has three "French expatriates in ..." categories and three "Expatriate footballers in ..." categories. Personally, I'd sweep the whole lot away. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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This article about a very well known ground in England has been moved to Villa Park with Villa Park now redirecting to a disam page (the alternative uses being a small town and a couple of city districts in the United States). Surely the stadium is the primary topic? NB the places in the US are all qualified by state, eg Villa Park, California and don't use parentheses. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 15:18, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I've moved it back. The stadium is clearly the primary topic with this name. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 09:21, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
The issue probably belongs on the talk page of the season article task force as well, but I thought that feedback for copyright questions would be bigger on the parent talk page.
Is this use of stadium pictures within the 2009–10 Ekstraklasa article legal or is this a violation of any of the current policies or guidelines regarding copyright or the usage of pictures in general? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 17:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I've got into a disagreement with another editor regarding this section of the Aris Thessaloniki page. I'm pretty confident that use of the ticks and crosses, indicating progress or elimination from a UEFA competition, are somewhat superfluous and should be avoided. I'm equating them with the annoying letter C in a blue circle that lots of articles use to indicate captain. The other editor seems unconvinced, and on the article's talk page rattles off a load of other Greek clubs who have similar stuff on their pages, namely Iraklis_F.C.#Europe, Larissa_F.C.#European_competition_history, PAOK_FC#European_matches_panorama. I think that the featured list, List of Birmingham City F.C. records and statistics#Birmingham City in Europe, sets a good precedent. Does anyone have any opinions as to whether either/both.none of us is right? Dancarney ( talk) 08:59, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone help me find citations proving that the following games took place?
Date Competition "Home" Team "Away" Team 21 April 1894 Inter-League Match Football League XI 1 Scottish League XI 1 11 April 1896 Inter League Match Football League XI 5 Scottish League XI 1 14 March 1925 Inter-League Match Football League XI 4 Scottish League XI 3 25 September 1929 Inter-League Match Football League XI 7 Irish league XI 2 11 May 1935[nb 2] Inter-League Match Football League XI 10 Welsh Football League/Irish league XI 2 21 October 1936 Inter-League Match Football League XI 2 Scottish League XI 0 4 November 1939 Representative Match Football League XI 3 All British XI 3 19 February 1947 Inter-League Match Football League XI 4 Irish League XI 2 10 October 1951 Inter-League Match Football League XI 9 League of Ireland XI 1 7 December 1955 Inter-League Match Football League XI 5 League of Ireland XI 1
TheBigJagielka ( talk) 12:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
About a week ago, with this edit, an IP user added statistics for Charlie Austin's non-league career at the tenth tier of the English league system. Now, to me it seems very unlikely that these figures are in any way accurate and I was going to remove them but thought I had better check here to see if anyone had relevant sources to prove or disprove the stats. Cheers, Big Dom 13:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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Could someone help keep an eye on Pat Fenlon? Random IPs come on every now and again and make counterintuitive edits like removing the {{tooshort}} tag and moving the place of birth into the lead alongside the date of birth, despite this contravening WP:MOSNUM#Dates of birth and death. Cheers, Mattythewhite ( talk) 22:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi there "teammates",
In the past year or years, i think "the commission" declared that runner-up honours only qualified in domestic or European cups, not in leagues.
However, in the last weeks, i saw that third-place honours (and even fourth-place) have been inserted in several Portuguese players, hence my doubt: do third places in UEFA European Football Championships and FIFA World Cups qualify as an honour? In the former competition, there is not even a third-place match, both the semifinal losers get third automatically, only in whe WC does that match happen.
What are your views? I have doubts if the 3rd place should be an honour, the fourth should definitely not. Debate, please!
Attentively, from Portugal - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
VASCO - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 00:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
As I probably said last time this came up, the club article MoS says the section should contain "Achievements of the club including wins and second places. For clubs with a large number of major trophies, it may be appropriate to omit second places." The important word would appear to be "achievements", not medals. As to third places, I'd include them if that placing was earned in a playoff, or if it won a promotion. Clearly, for clubs that win their league title every year it would be appropriate to omit second places or lower. I don't see why the criteria should be any different for players. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 07:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Transfer season starts early (or late)! Javier Hernández (footballer) probably could use some sane editor attention. He was sold to Man Utd, but as often is the case, he's subject to work permit approval, so it's getting plenty of premature editing. -- Mosmof ( talk) 17:09, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Can we please get some community-wide comment on this issue at Talk:2010 Major League Soccer season? Thank you. -- Grant . Alpaugh 23:08, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
It seems that User:Jamen Somasu is on a mission to merge the Intercontinental Cup article into the FIFA Club World Cup article. While I know that one has sorta become the successor to the other, it is clear (at least to me), that the two should be kept as seperate articles as they are separate competitions, as well as their respective statistics articles and templates ( this, this, and this). Does anyone think the same? Digirami ( talk) 04:22, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know who this player is? It's taken from the England - Slovenia pre-game warmup but I can't figure out who it is. Image is licensed under CC-BY. JACO PLANE • 2010-04-10 11:54
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#Turkmen or Turkmenistani? for further discussion. Thanks. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 19:44, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Which is the proper name, Category:South Africa international football (soccer) players or Category:South Africa international footballers? 94.212.31.237 ( talk) 23:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
I am pleased to announce that Goodison Park now has GA status !! :) TheBigJagielka ( talk) 10:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
I have nominated 2007 UEFA Champions League Final for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. – Pee Jay 12:03, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that the James Milner article is rated as A-Class, it is the only A-Class article in this WikiProject, is this an oversight and should it be brought down to GA? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 12:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
I believe, possibly waywardly, that a mention of the British pools panel is a worthy addition. Should it have its own article, or be part of Football pools? - Dudesleeper talk 00:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Could someone familiar with C.D. Chivas USA players or Major League Soccer in general go through this Flickr photoset? They're apparently from a Chivas USA training session and the CC license is free enough for Wikipedia, but the players are not identified and there are no helpful squad numbers. -- Mosmof ( talk) 04:09, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Looks like User:Biala Gwiazda is up to his old tricks again. Per these three links ( [8], [9] and [10]), I uploaded this version of the Euro 2012 logo to replace this version as it seems to be the more commonly used one. User:Biala Gwiazda seems to have taken this as an affront to him personally and refuses to accept the change. If there is consensus for it, I would be happy to use the previous version, but it does seem to me as if the version I uploaded is the more preferable one. After all, the graphic portion of the logo is more clear in the version I uploaded. – Pee Jay 00:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Is David Beckham currently registered with Milan or the Los Angeles Galaxy? We all know that his injuries will keep him out of action with Milan until the end of his loan and that he has relocated back to Southern California, but does that mean we should change his infobox to indicate that the loan has ended? I honestly don't know the answer, but absent a source indicating that the loan has been terminated, I don't think we should be changing the registration status of such a high profile player, when all of the sources about his loan status say that Beckham is on loan to Milan until June. -- Grant . Alpaugh 23:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
This article - Aad de Mos - makes no sense at all. 77.250.200.70 ( talk) 14:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone shed any light on this one?
The player does not show up in the current Dagenham & Redbridge squad on their official website [11]. An advanced google search of the official website indicates no 'Ben Stevens'. The edit history for this article seems dubious and has a lot of IP edits
There is a Ben Strevens who played for Dagenhan until 2009 when he moved to Brenford. There does seem to have been a persistent mistaking of Strevens for Stevens - see Dagenham fansite [12] which notes: "Stevens" - The name used by away announcers for a player better known as Ben Strevens.
The Ben Stevens page was created by a user and makes various claims around possible criminal activities so a quick decision needed on this one... Steve-Ho ( talk) 09:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I couldn't find it at the article page, and if I posted on it's talk it wouldn't get answered for ages. Quick content/rules question, if you perform a throw in and chuck it straight into the goal with no contact from anyone else, is it a goal? Has it ever happened? SGGH ping! 20:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks guys. SGGH ping! 21:29, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone here considered consolidating the navigational templates used for the various leagues around the world? A user recently tried to do that with the Colombian league. Because it was done very poorly, I reverted his edits. But the idea isn't that bad or far-fetched. Major League Soccer and other American sports league do it (and some other non-American league football leagues do something close, but not so cleanly), and I think it could make things simpler. What does everyone think of the idea? Digirami ( talk) 21:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
In lists of honours won by English football clubs, should First Division (until 1992) and Premier League titles be listed together, as in Arsenal F.C.#Honours; or separately, as in Manchester United F.C.#Honours? User:DoctorHver obviously prefers the former style, and has been attempting to change the Manchester United article to match it, but I disagree as the First Division and the Premier League are entirely separate competitions. The Premier League may now occupy the same level on the English football pyramid as the First Division once occupied, but they are separate. Aren't they? – Pee Jay 02:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
A.F.C. Aldermaston makes repeated mention of the team playing next year in this league, but I can't find any other evidence of the league's existence, and the only Google hits seem to be scrapes of one BBC report. It doesn't seem to be a sponsored name for the Hampshire League as far as I can see. Any ideas.....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that someone has created several of these categories for clubs that don't even have an article (e.g., Category:Marcali VFC footballers) and have very few articles that are included (or could be included) in the category. Should these be deleted? I suppose there's no harm in having the category, but it's odd without the club having an article. Jogurney ( talk) 16:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
This is presently a dreadful little article, but I can't help but feel that there might be enough reliable sources that it could be saved. Anyone fancy a challenge? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:43, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
We have conflicting sources regarding this player's name; can anyone get down to the bottom of it please? Cheers, Giant Snowman 04:09, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
I just happened to visit Category:County Cup competitions and I noticed that there are a number of season articles for some of these competitions. The question is do these competitions warrant individual season articles? Thoughts please. Bettia (talk) 20:12, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
I was just editing Gabriel Milito, when i saw that the honours won by the player at FC Barcelona in 2008–09 still remain there (i am not going to remove them again, rest assured), which brings the question:
I think when a player trains, even if he does not play (a good case could be the third-choice goalkeeper or, in default, the second), he still merits to have the honours inserted in his page, because he was an active part of the squad. However, Milito did not train for one second in the season mentioned above (unless you include fitness sessions in the gym!), that is why i always thought the honours should not be there.
Debate, please, cheers,
VASCO - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 22:02, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Before I propose an article for an AfD, can someone confirm (or not, as the case may be) that a player who has only played at Conference South or lower does not pass the Notability guidelines. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 18:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to request a "Peer review" on the Goodison Park article but I don't know how to do it. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 11:31, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Muhammed Aburub seems like a hoax to me (he was a professional football player at the age of 15?), could somebody please check it out? Woogee ( talk) 04:53, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Why have the disambiguation page at all? There is no need to have Chester F.C. (2010) (name "year") This naming convention seems wrong. You don't need that disambiguation page in the middle when it is going to have just two results. Where one article finishes and the other starts via the time-lines. That's how it should be shouldn't it? Govvy ( talk) 23:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I posted this here on March 3, and I was advised to mail UEFA. I mailed them on March 7, but they have so far neither replied me nor fixed the links we have on our pages. However, I just saw this discussion and this one. They suggest that it's not UEFA's fault, but rather we have to modify all the references so they can match the new format introduced by UEFA. What shall we do now? -- Магьосник ( talk) 03:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, is it a good idea to include this in FC Schalke 04's article? A similar image was included in Hertha BSC's article. Personally, I think that these images are ugly, but I would like to know what others think. -- Jaellee ( talk) 10:24, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I'm having a battle with someone regarding Ryan Johnson's page. Grk1011 is telling me that he moved the page to Ryan Johnson (soccer), which I don't really get because he's Jamaican, he played for the Jamaican national team, so I don't understand. But he was saying that he moved it because he's an American citizen, which is true, but doesn't nationality come first? – Michael ( talk) 17:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I have been debating with folks at WP:HOCKEY about navboxes. Can you please make sure that I am representing the soccer/football position on the policy User:TonyTheTiger/sandbox/Hockey mafia issue correctly.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 17:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
One of our internal discussion pages, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues, got somehow blanked when a new section was created. Can an admin restore the deleted content with the new section at the bottom? I assume that's possible, but it's beyond my knowledge of how. matt91486 ( talk) 20:49, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone has come across a team called "Nottingham County"? One of my books makes reference to this team - specifically they appear in lists of West Bromwich Albion friendly matches (in 1887, 1888, 1893 and 1894 - I can give dates and scorelines as well if that helps). My first thought was that it is a typo and should be Notts County, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking something, particularly as "Notts County" appears elsewhere within the same pages. Another thought I had was that it could have been some kind of representative team. I can find no reference to it elsewhere though. -- Jameboy ( talk) 15:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I recently proposed an AfD for Sheffield United (Hong Kong) (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sheffield United (Hong Kong)). During the discussion, someone pointed out that the team is listed as having played in the Hong Kong First Division League 2008–09 season. However, my concern is what happened to them after that. According to Hong Kong First Division League 2008–09, Sheffield United (Hong Kong) finished high enough to avoid being relegated for the 2009-10 season, yet they aren't playing in the 2009–10 Hong Kong First Division League season. What happened to them?
By the same token, Hong Kong First Division League#Exceptions says that two clubs were exempt from relegation, the Army and the Police football teams. However, neither of those clubs is actually playing in the HK First Division now. What happened to them? -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
As you might have noticed, the league season article categories have recently been renamed in order to match the changed naming structure. Next up in line are the cup season categories; in relevance to the moves, there were two questions raised by Theilert ( talk · contribs), which I hereby copy and paste from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy. Feel free to comment. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 22:04, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
- Should these categories be categorized in Category:Seasons in association football by year as well? Or should we create new parent categories like; Category:Domestic association football cups by year and Category:Domestic association football leagues by year, and finally categorize the two new parent categories into Category:Seasons in association football by year? lil2mas ( talk) 16:24, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
- Independent of the outcome above, should we rename Category:Seasons in association football by year to Category:Association football seasons by year, and do the same with " by country" and " by club" to match Category:Association football seasons by competition? This would match the parent category Category:Association football seasons, but if "Seasons in" is more correct we could do a reverse rename. As long as we gain consistency, I will be happy! lil2mas ( talk) 16:24, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
1. I'm not sure there's a need for a separate cups by year category. 2. I think the 'Association football seasons by year' is better. Eldumpo ( talk) 22:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. — Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Despite this reference [19] I can find no statistical evidence that Speight played in the Football League for either Stockport or Rochdale (checking Neil Brown and allfootballers). Can anyone confirm whether he played for either Chicago Sting or Finn Harps. Thanks. Eldumpo ( talk) 20:55, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone else got a view on the accuracy of the playerhistory site or an alternative source to show he played for Finn Harps, else he may be a candidate for deletion? Eldumpo ( talk) 17:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I contribute to Wikipedia in French and I came accross this page: Professional L (redirected from Professional Leagues). The original page was European Professional Football Leagues, that's actually the page linked to the article in French ( fr:European Professional Football Leagues). But it's been moved twice and then deleted. The Professional L page has aslo been moved, it seems a bit messy. Is this normal? Shouldn't the "right" page be European Professional Football Leagues? fr:User:Ben5 14:30, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.67.243.232 ( talk)
Two questions:
I await your comments with interest. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:21, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I work on italian wikipedia and I'm creating some pages (Serie A players from the past, 50 or more years ago), if you're interested in translating them in english I can list them.. I can also write you the updated voices.. 93.33.3.66 ( talk) 21:30, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
The England national under-18 football team article has not been updated since April 2008 and, as such, is rather pointless. Is anyone interested in bringing it up to date? Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Is it time to revisit/refresh the Football Notability criteria in the light of discussions at [22], which seems to show broad support for the individual sports defining notability. I would question the use of 'fully professional' without an agreed definition, although perhaps any specific comments are best at the FN talk page? Eldumpo ( talk) 18:39, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Is Marcos (footballer) real? If not, can anyone delete it, or request for it to be deleted? Thanks. — Martin tamb ( talk) 10:18, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
There is an edit conflict on the Fb cl templates at the 2009–10 Ukrainian Premier League article. Brudder Andrusha and an anonymous person keeps revert the baseline of the qualification and add a template called "Europe". That's not the usage of the Fb cl templates.
The standard league table shows following:
{{Fb cl header}}<!--Put "y" after the "qualified=" if the teams are actually qualified for the competition-->
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 1|t=[[FC Dynamo Kyiv]]|w=18 |d= 5 |l= 1 |gf=50 |ga=13|bc=#ACE1AF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |competition=[[2010–11 UEFA Champions League#Group stage|2010–11 UEFA Champions League Group stage]]}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 2|t=[[FC Shakhtar Donetsk|Shakhtar Donetsk]]|w=18 |d= 5 |l= 1 |gf=50 |ga=16|bc=#D0F0C0|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |competition=[[2010–11 UEFA Champions League#Third qualifying round|2010–11 UEFA Champions League Third qualifying round]]}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 3|t=[[FC Metalist Kharkiv|Metalist Kharkiv]]|w=14 |d= 4 |l= 6 |gf=37 |ga=21|bc=8ACEFF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |competition=[[2010–11 UEFA Europa League#Play-off round|2010–11 UEFA Europa League Play-off round]]}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 4|t=[[FC Dnipro|Dnipro]]|w=12 |d= 7 |l= 5 |gf=37 |ga=20|bc=#97DEFF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |competition=[[2010–11 UEFA Europa League#Third qualifying round|2010–11 UEFA Europa League Third qualifying round]]}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 5|t=[[FC Karpaty Lviv|Karpaty Lviv]]|w=11 |d= 8 |l= 4 |gf=38 |ga=27|bc=#BBEBFF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |competition=[[2010–11 UEFA Europa League#Second qualifying round|2010–11 UEFA Europa League Second qualifying round]]}}
|-
|colspan=11|Skipped
{{Fb cl2 team |p=15|t=[[FC Zorya Luhansk|Zorya Luhansk]]|w= 4 |d= 5 |l=14 |gf=17 |ga=40|bc=#FFCCCC}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |rows=2 |relegation=y|competition=[[2010–11 Ukrainian First League|First League]]}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p=16|t=[[FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih|Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih]]|w= 4 |d= 3 |l=17 |gf=24 |ga=43|bc=#FFCCCC}}
{{Fb cl footer|u=11 April 2010 |s=[http://www.fpl.com.ua/ Premier League website {{uk icon|date=April 2010}}|orfc=1<sup>st</sup> points; 2<sup>nd</sup> goal difference; 3<sup>rd</sup> goals scored; 4<sup>th</sup> fair play<ref name="Regulations"/>}}
The row of "Qualification or relegation" is showing the fate if the teams reached the place at the final, instead of showing the ensured qualification or ensured European qualification. However, in their knowledge, the row has been used like that. All of the articles except Ukrainian Premier League articles (this did not occur for this year only, it has been occured last year) use the row of "Qualification or relegation" for the baseline. However, Ukarinian Premier League use a different kind of knowledge, which affects readers to understand. Raymond "Giggs" Ko 14:48, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
{{Fb cl header}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 1|t=[[FC Dynamo Kyiv]]|w=18 |d= 5 |l= 1 |gf=50 |ga=13|bc=#ACE1AF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl3 qr |rows=2 |competition=2010-11 Europe }}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 2|t=[[FC Shakhtar Donetsk|Shakhtar Donetsk]]|w=18 |d= 5 |l= 1 |gf=50 |ga=16|bc=#D0F0C0|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 3|t=[[FC Metalist Kharkiv|Metalist Kharkiv]]|w=14 |d= 4 |l= 6 |gf=37 |ga=21|bc=8ACEFF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 4|t=[[FC Dnipro|Dnipro]]|w=12 |d= 7 |l= 5 |gf=37 |ga=20|bc=#97DEFF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl2 team |p= 5|t=[[FC Karpaty Lviv|Karpaty Lviv]]|w=11 |d= 8 |l= 4 |gf=38 |ga=27|bc=#BBEBFF|qualified=}}
{{Fb cl footer|u=11 April 2010 |s=[http://www.fpl.com.ua/ Premier League website {{uk icon|date=April 2010}}|orfc=1<sup>st</sup> points; 2<sup>nd</sup> goal difference; 3<sup>rd</sup> goals scored; 4<sup>th</sup> fair play<ref name="Regulations"/>|other=yes}}
The column in Fb is "Qualification or Relegation" and such is the valid situation currently in the Ukrainian Premier League season 2009–10 season when both top teams have qualified for European football for the 2010–11 season.
Again, the template signifies a correct situation for the current state of qualification. The template is used correctly defined in the "Qualification or relegation" column of the Fb template. That is what templates are used for. The use of "Qualification or relegation" in 2009–10 La Liga is in violation of WP:FUTURE where the links are incorrectly directing teams that have NOT qualified yet for those stages of the competition.
Brudder Andrusha ( talk) 13:58, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred. It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced. It is not appropriate for editors to insert their own opinions or analyses. In forward-looking articles about unreleased products, such as movies and games, take special care to avoid advertising and unverified claims. In particular:
1. Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place. If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. Examples of appropriate topics include the 2012 U.S. presidential election and 2020 Summer Olympics. By comparison, the 2020 U.S. presidential election and 2036 Summer Olympics are not appropriate article topics if nothing can be said about them that is verifiable and not original research. Avoid predicted sports team line-ups, which are inherently unverifiable and speculative. A schedule of future events may be appropriate if it can be verified.
2. Individual items from a predetermined list or a systematic pattern of names, pre-assigned to future events or discoveries, are not suitable article topics, if only generic information is known about the item. Lists of tropical cyclone names is encyclopedic; "Tropical Storm Alberto (2012)" is not, even though it is virtually certain that a storm of that name will occur in the North Atlantic and will turn counterclockwise. Similarly, articles about words formed on a predictable numeric system (such as "septenquinquagintillion") are not encyclopedic unless they are defined on good authority, or genuinely in use. Certain scientific extrapolations are considered to be encyclopedic, such as chemical elements documented by IUPAC before isolation in the laboratory.
3. Articles that present extrapolation, speculation, and "future history" are original research and therefore inappropriate. While scientific and cultural norms continually evolve, we must wait for this evolution to happen, rather than try to predict it. Of course, we do and should have articles about notable artistic works, essays, or credible research that embody predictions. An article on Weapons of Star Trek is appropriate; an article on "Weapons to be used in World War III" is not.
4. While currently accepted scientific paradigms may later be rejected, and hypotheses previously held to be controversial or incorrect sometimes become accepted by the scientific community, it is not the place of Wikipedia to venture such projections.
And again you are incorrect in your assumption. It is the team that qualifies to the tournament not the position. Brudder Andrusha ( talk) 19:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Then the qualification is given to the team which occupy the place after the last fixture of the league, not the team. Team already confirmed could use the (Q) for indication. It solved the problem of extrapolation, speculation, and "future history". 2 and 4 are not applicable as they are about topic naming and science respectively. Raymond "Giggs" Ko 03:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Good enough for UEFA and FIFA good enough for us? cha ndl er 03:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Also, there is a TfD here. Please discuss to determine if it is not valid. Raymond "Giggs" Ko 17:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
<sarcasm>A radical new idea has popped up in 2009–10 Ukrainian Premier League.</sarcasm> Any opinions on this chart? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 00:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
In a recent book I read [Gods, Mongrels & Demons (London: Bloomsbury, 2004), p. 363] the author Angus Calder says that a Private named T. Billingham, who tried to recover Walter Tull's body, "had played soccer with him for Northampton Town." Does anyone know the identity of this enigmatic player, and if he was related to another Northampton Town player born in 1914 (son, nephew?) called Jack Billingham? Giant Snowman 01:07, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone have any sources for Scottish League players that could be used to add the stats for Mike McCulloch who played for Falkirk between 1913 and 1921, and Hearts between 1921 and 1922. Cheers, Big Dom 20:01, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Just to give everyone a head's up, I have started a thread in the season article task force's talkpage to discuss how club season articles should be structured and organized. Input is welcomed. Link available here. Thanks. Digirami ( talk) 06:19, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I have just had to manually clean up 26 separate malicious edits from the user JamesH1381 in the 2009–10 Premier Reserve League page. These edits ranged from filling in 12-0, 6-0, 8-0 results into fixtures that have not yet been played. Changing the league table to reflect these edits. Stating that 2 teams had 'points dropped due to playing players with the wrong name'. Filling in the playoff final result as 5-0 to Man Utd - a match that's being played on May 3rd. Changing the 'biggest away win' to be Burnley 0-7 Man Utd - a match that is being played next Thursday. Giving Mame Diouf 7 goals he hasn't scored just to make him top scorer. I would like someone with the relevant powers to stop further vandalism of that page please Bealzbob ( talk) 17:31, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone fix this table so that it sorts properly:
Position | Name | Football League | FA Cup | Total | |||
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Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | ||
FW |
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13 | 6 | 4 | 4 | 17 | 10 |
DF |
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15 | 6 | 4 | 6 | 19 | 12 |
GK |
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4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 0 |
Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:54, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Position | Nationality | Name | League Apps |
League Goals |
FA Cup Apps |
FA Cup Goals |
Total Apps |
Total Goals |
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FW |
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Jack Angus | 13 | 6 | 4 | 4 | 17 | 10 |
DF |
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Charles Baker | 15 | 6 | 4 | 6 | 19 | 12 |
GK |
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Jack Barrett | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 0 |
You only need give a value to the position if you want it to sort into GK/DF/MF/FW rather than just alphabetical. And if you include the country name with the flag, as per the MoS, by using {{
flag}} or {{
fb}} rather than {{
flagicon}}, it sorts OK.
Position | Nationality | Name | League apps |
League goals |
FA Cup apps |
FA Cup goals |
Total apps |
Total goals |
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FW | ![]() |
Jack Angus | 13 | 6 | 4 | 4 | 17 | 10 |
DF | ![]() |
Charles Baker | 15 | 6 | 4 | 6 | 19 | 12 |
GK | ![]() |
Jack Barrett | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 0 |
Take your pick :-) cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 13:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I shall gladly make a positions-by-round table for the 2009–10 A PFG article, just like this, this or this, but there's something I'd like to ask first. The match between Levski Sofia and Litex Lovech was due to be played during the 3rd round, but was postponed for one reason or another. This was the league table after the 3rd round was held on August 21-24, 2009. All teams had played three games, except Levski, who remained 3rd in the table, and Litex, who remained 11th. Levski and Litex were always one match behind until November 25, 2009, when the postponed fixture between the two teams was held. Here's what the table looked like just before that game. Levski and Litex had played 12 games while all the other teams had already played 13; Litex were leaders in the table while Levski were 5th. After the match ended with a 2-2 draw, all teams had already played an equal number of games. Litex retained their first position, but Levski moved up one place thanks to the point they earned. So my question is: given this situation, can a positions-by-round table be made, and if so, how should I make it? I can see there's no such a table in the 2009–10 Premier League article, which documents a season when many games were postponed. -- Магьосник ( talk) 09:14, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I can see a lot has been written here since I was last available. Maybe a positions-by-round table is inappropriate for Wikipedia considering the above arguments. I took a look at the 2009–10 Premier League article and found much content that could be classified as pointless as well. If everything that matters is the final positions in the table, and if everything related to chronological events throughout the season is to be deprecated, then why does the article contain the following sections?
Also, with what are the following parts of the content more important than the PBR table, and with what do they satisfy WP:NOT#STATS more than the PBR table does?
Moreover, I agree with Brudder Andrusha that a PBR table could give the reader some idea about how a team performed during the season. But I also agree that it will be misleading in the event of games getting postponed. -- Магьосник ( talk) 03:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Please could those who worked on the Featured List List of FA Cup winners have a look at my comment on the talk page there. The list currently contradicts one of my GA noms under review (specifically around whether extra time was played in the 1886 FA Cup Final) so I would be really grateful if we could clear up any confusion quickly. Cheers! -- Jameboy ( talk) 23:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
In Internet Explorer this article appears to have a huge whitespace in the middle, but I can't figure out why. Any ideas.......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I see quite a lot of footballers being listed as playing for either of these clubs [25], but with nothing on the web to back this up - I'm not entirely sure that either club actually exists. Can anyone shed any light? ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 15:53, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Category:Association football players with an unknown status, which is under the purview of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Black Falcon ( talk) 21:59, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Do we really need an article dedicated to listing all the goalscorers in a continental tournament? One was made for the 2010 Copa Libertadores and it seems a bit much. Digirami ( talk) 04:03, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
There are 4,126 unassessed football articles. Maybe we should start paying attention to more articles. Kingjeff ( talk) 04:59, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
I know I specifically mentioned the unasessed articles. But I think we also should focus on Stub-Class football articles which is at 75,358 and Start-Class football articles which is at 17,221. The greater issue is that these 3 categories are grossly high numbers and every effort should be made to bring these numbers down. Kingjeff ( talk) 02:36, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I work on italian wikipedia where sometime I enlarge stubs.. if you want we can create a cooperation to help each other, you say me what is the stub on en.wikipedia you want informations (in basic english, my english isn't a great thing) you write me in simple english the informations about players from en.wikipedia I'd like enlarge.. then if there is an italophone we can make a still better work.. 93.32.229.34 ( talk) 18:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I didn't find anything about this topic in the archives and hope it hasn't been discussed to death yet, but I'm discussing with a user about putting negative goals (= goals conceded) in goalkeeper's infoboxes (like this) as most of the goalkeepers never score any goals and the number of goals conceded could indicate the performance of the goalkeeper. Personally I think that negative numbers do not belong into players' infoboxes as this stands for goals that the player has been awarded in league competition only for each professional club. So would it be a possibility to create special infoboxes for goalkeepers? I'm not sure whether this is a good idea (is information about conceded goals widely available?) but I want to know what others think. -- Jaellee ( talk) 18:33, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
The Stub-Class football articles category stands at 75,358 total articles. Would anybody be interested in starting a WikiProject based on improving Stub-Class articles? Kingjeff ( talk) 02:57, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I do not know if this is the right place to mention but I would want to object about the 50 games limit for notable players, particullary for Argentine teams. Is very common for young players to move abroad after 1 season (that would be Apertura & Clausura tournaments). There are plenty of examples , only for Banfield we have Fernando Ortiz, Mariano Barbosa, Paletta, Datolo, and surely James by June -- Jor70 ( talk) 13:59, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
There are currently 288 articles about national football team results in Category:National association football team results and its subcategories, and approximately 20 formats are represented in the titles of these 288 articles:
7 use the format {Foo} national football team in {Year}
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5 use the format {Foo} national football team results {Year}
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3 use the format List of {Foo} national football team results
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2 use the format List of official matches of the {Foo}ian national football team
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1 uses the format {Year} in {Foo}ian football
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I am posting this breakdown here in the hope that the members of this project could consider and arrive at a consensus for more standardized naming of these articles. The most common format, {Foo} national football team {Year}, is unfortunately one of my least-preferred (the year should at least be in parentheses), but I think that standardizing to any one format would be an improvement over using 20. Thank you, -- Black Falcon ( talk) 01:45, 2 May 2010 (UTC)