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Is this match notable or not? Doesn't look to be to me, but perhaps someone older with a batter knowledge of football could enlighten me... Giant Snowman 10:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
What is the preferred format for the date and time when using the {{ footballbox}}? I've seen several formats for both, and I think we should be consistent when it comes to that. Digirami ( talk) 09:21, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm looking for confirmation that Wright, who was a coach at Tranmere Rovers after his retirement, is the same person who went on to become their manager. - Dudesleeper / Talk 15:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Was not doubt long and boring. I am only able to write the bare bones of the boring mid-table finishes of his boring clubs. Quite the contrast to the lengthy details on his management career at the fabulous Port Vale and time as Director of Football at the other club in Stoke-on-Trent.
So if someone could add some details of his fifteen years in the Football League as a player it would be most appreciated.-- EchetusXe 19:33, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Should these templates be nominated for deletion? Black 'n Red 16:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Why is he not listed in the squad? He was on the bench according to his bio and was an important part of the team even though he didn't play that game.
I'd keep mention down to those who played an active part in the match and omit the substitutes; we're aiming for summary-style. Knepflerle ( talk) 10:08, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
According to the article he has never made a professional appearance. Why does he have a page if this is the case? Also there is inconsistency over the use of N'Galula and Ngalula. Spiderone ( talk) 08:33, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Arsenal youngster Jay Emmanuel-Thomas today signed on loan for Blackpool, and he is expected to go straight into the squad for the home game against Derby County tomorrow. At the moment he doesn't have an article, but it is quite likely that Ian Holloway will play him at some point in the game, even if as a sub. So, I have created the article in my sandbox until he makes his pro-debut. ♦Tangerines♦· Talk 17:08, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
WP:FPL lists the Russian Second Division as fully-pro (without any sources), and I can see that it is part of the professional league structure in Russia. However, my concern is that the teams in this third-tier league are in desperate financial troubles (many have folded or withdrawn already this season) and I doubt that it is fully-pro in the sense that we typically use (all players are paid a living wage), just that it is not amateur. The reason this is a concern is that one user has apparently created articles for every single player in this level for 2009 (and there are more than 50 clubs). Fortunately, he or she has provided at least one source to each article which verifies the player's existence, vital and playing statistics. However, this represents a huge amount of new articles on players that I suspect do not meet WP:ATHLETE which will be difficult to maintain/update. What do you think we should do? Can anyone confirm with this level is actually fully-pro? Jogurney ( talk) 20:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Could someone help me adding the new kit for 1. FC Magdeburg? I've tried by using the existing templates, but I didn't find a working combination. Kit can be found here. Thanks in advance. Madcynic ( talk) 11:53, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I think I've got it now - but I left out the sponsor hoop. Madcynic ( talk) 11:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, another Yank showing her complete lack of knowledge of real football. :)
Cuckfield Rangers is in division 2 of the Mid-Sussex Football League. Where does this fall on the scale of importance -- does it make them a local team that plays for beer? Close to a national level team? I'm trying to decide if there's any chance of notability. Thanks!-- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Are clubs that play at a state level automatically notable? This is the AfD in question. The Sikkim team looks to fail WP:GNG and hasn't competed at a national level. It has also never won the Santosh Trophy, the only competition it competes in. Spiderone ( talk) 08:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Additional note: The current primary goal is to create guidelines for each of the four season article categories listed above. Discussion participation welcome! -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 12:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
If you have the time:
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Houcine Zaidoune
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mubarak Al Bloushi
I will, of course, withdraw as usual if new evidence is found that makes me look like a fool. Spiderone ( talk) 08:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Someone unintentionally made my point for me and this needs tyo be followed or changed if it is a concern: "All leagues whose members are eligible for national cups are assumed notable. All leagues that are a country's highest level are assumed notable (per WP:FOOTY/Notability) Stop being sad about poor articles and fix them. Deletion is not always needed.12:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Mario Mendez(futbolista panameño) -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 15:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Can someone recreate Nathan Porritt. It's a redirect at the moment but I'm sure it had some content about him once upon a time. He finally made his debut tonight for Darlo. 91.106.111.101 ( talk) 00:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
This is sort of continuing from a previous discussion. On the Man-to-man marking and Zonal marking articles I have requested a merge to an article such as Marking (association football) to allow the word "marking" to be used in articles without talking about a specific type of marking and besides there isn't enough to warrant separate articles. For example: " Nirmal Chettri was marking well for the whole game" would link to a disambiguation page at the moment. Spiderone ( talk) 08:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Just wondering if someone could make Scottish Third Division 2009–10 look like the previous season's article, as I'm not that active anymore and I got confused :( Thank you. SummerHoliday 16:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I am surprised to see no article on The Football League records, let alone a section on the main article detailing youngest & oldest players, record attendances, record games etc. Anyone with more knowledge & time than me fancy starting one? Giant Snowman 18:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Juventus F.C. has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 19:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm sure images like this one keep on appearing, and I'm sure we keep on deleting them...is this one any different? If not, anybody want to do the honours for me? Cheers, Giant Snowman 19:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Could someone keep an eye on Christian Tiboni? Several IP editors seem keen on undoing my edits, which seem perfectly legitimate to me. Cheers, Mattythewhite ( talk) 19:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
The last few red links located here on one of our pages have to do with youth football, there are pages for footballers with the same names, but it is unclear if they are the same individuals. If there is anyone here that can help it would be appreciated. EmanWilm ( talk) 22:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Bristol Rovers F.C. has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 01:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Apparently it went to Micky Adams. Any reliable source on this?-- EchetusXe 20:21, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
The match report says that Adams was sent off in the 90th minute, so if Quinn was also sent off that evening, he may well have been first. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 19:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I would refer people to Talk:Brentford F.C.#Notable players, looking for any knowledgeable Brentford supporters to provide the required information and where it has been published. The whole article needs shortening as there is a lot of irrelevent information. AirRaidPatrol 84 ( talk) 13:27, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
How do we define what a brace is in an article? In Sunil Chhetri I linked to Wiktionary but this is still not ideal since readers don't know which definition to look at. Spiderone ( talk) 17:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Can an admin restore Ed Upson and Shane O'Connor (footballer) as per their appearances in the Football League Cup. -- Jimbo [online] 09:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Could somebody take a look at the edit history of Javier Saviola? A new user is making radical changes to the stats in that article, and I have no idea if they're correct or not. Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 20:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
This FAC's gone a bit stagnant, would anyone else be able to take a look, even if it's to point out loads of things that need changing.........? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:03, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
These AfDs are in serious danger of not reaching a consensus:
Spiderone ( talk) 08:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Could anyone with access to allfootballers.com, or something similar, let me know if either the full first name or the playing position is recorded of a P. Edwards, who came on as sub in two Football League Trophy matches for Gillingham in 1984.......? Cheers!!!!! -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:44, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Charlton Athletic F.C. has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 12:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm currently writing an article on the footballer David Hamilton here. The source from the Guardian said that he has two brothers who also played football, but I can't seem to find out who they are. Just wondered if anyone would be able to shed some light on this? Cheers, Big Dom 18:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I have never, ever, EVER seen the template formats used in {{ Club Atlético Lanús squad}}, can someone explain to me why it is as it is please? Cheers, Giant Snowman 20:06, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, {{ Club Atlético Lanús squad}} as it appeared at the start of this discussion was broken, I have now fixed the errors so that the squad list renders properly. I have removed the "as of" date from the navbox from the fs2 template. There are still a few minor problems with the template.
The main one being that in order to differentiate between players on the same team with the same second name/identify Brazilian players, we need to add an optional parameter |navbox display= A. Cole / J. Cole/ Hulk / whatever
The 2 main reasons I made Fs2 is to stop the squad lists & navboxes displaying contradictory information (a constant problem in the non-anglo leagues) and to ease the workload during transfer windows.
Previously we needed to do 5 edits in order to update:
Now 3:
I did announce Fs2 on here some time ago but nobody responded, I'm not around that much anymore but I'll keep my eye on this discussion. If anyone has any ideas/comments please let me know. Regards King of the North East 11:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I have done some work here to explain the functions of the template. Please take a look. Regards King of the North East 13:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Right, this is beginning to sound like a broken record...as anyone who has been following AfDs over the past few months will know, our friends over the Irish Sea believe that every player to play in the League of Ireland is notable, even though it is not a fully-professional league, something that WP:ATHLETE dictates is a must for notability of sportspeople. Therefore can we, as a WikiProject, please come to some kind of sensible agreement that players playing in certain semi-pro but top level leagues are indeed notable enough. What leagues would be exempt from WP:ATHLETE could be determined in two ways:
Obviously, there would be equivalent guidelines for other continents. So, what are people's thoughts, feelings, opinions, grievances etc.? Giant Snowman 14:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Please note that WP:ATH does not 'dictate' that playing in a fully professional league is a 'must' for notability. Therefore people are free to keep articles which don't fall into that category in any case. Whilst I like the idea of having some extra criteria (given the way a lot of people use the ATH guideline) would it not fall foul of ATH. I don't think the 2 points listed (or using WC finals) are a good way to come up with categorisation. How about editors being more reasonable about the Irish and other leagues? Eldumpo ( talk) 11:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
English or Scottish? I can't find any sources either way... Giant Snowman 17:28, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
This doesn't seem to make any sense, you look at Landín's page, it says that Morelia sold him to Cruz Azul and the infobox says that he was loaned to Cruz Azul from Morelia. And now this says that he is with the Houston Dynamo on Loan from Cruz Azul. That makes absolutely no sense at all, so is he actually on loan from Cruz Azul or he loan from Morelia? – Michael ( talk) 19:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
An(y)
anonymous user(s) is (are) deleting info and references provided by registered users in
Valencia CF and
Fairs Cup articles. UEFA not recognize Fairs Cup as
UEFA Cup-Europa League /
UEFA club competition, see:
Fairs Cup: "The UEFA Cup replaced the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup in the 1971/72 season. The list of finals from that competition are listed below, but please note that the Fairs Cup is not considered a UEFA competition, and hence clubs' records in the Fairs Cup are not considered part of their European record. [...]
NOTE: The Inter-Cities Fairs Cup also took place from 1955 to 1971 but not as an official UEFA competition."
The official statistics provided by UEFA are available only in UEFA competitions, see:
"UEFA club competitions: These are the official statistics considered valid for communicating official records in UEFA club competitions defined as the European Champion Clubs' Cup, the UEFA Champions League, the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup, the UEFA Europa League, the UEFA Cup, the UEFA Super Cup (from the 1973 competition), the UEFA Intertoto Cup and the European/South American Cup. Matches in the Inter-Cities’ Fairs Cup and the 1972 Super Cup are included only for information purposes as these competitions were not held under UEFA auspices."
Valencia have won 2 Fairs Cup and 1 UEFA Cup, not 3 Fairs Cup/UEFA Cup. -- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 01:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Cptnono ( talk) 05:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
This table is inserted in a number of player articles and I find it hard to sometimes see which club a player was at in a given season as there are no line markings between the clubs. Is anyone else having the same problem, and can it be fixed? The player I just noticed it for is Nicky Maynard but I have seen it on others previously. Is that table a template? Eldumpo ( talk) 10:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Can this be mentioned on his page yet or do we need a reliable source like BBC first? Spiderone 17:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I happen to stumble across a potentially fake footballer article yesterday. Before attempting to get this deleted (which I don't know how to do by the way), can someone check out any of the statements found in the article? Or even if they guy exists? I tried last night with no success. Thanks in advance. Digirami ( talk) 18:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I removed a PROD from this article as it was saying that the player had never played a professional game, however the infobox says he has played 5 games for Bordeaux. I can't find any sources to back this up, though. Before I delete it, can anyone else produce a source? Black Kite 21:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I've got a couple lower level Spanish leagues on my watchlist, and I noticed yesterday that User:ZZ86 had begun to unilaterally merge leagues without any discussion that I've seen here or on the league pages on my watchlist. I thought I'd see if I had missed some discussion on this. I personally find it confusing and of no real benefit to combine, especially in the formats that he has listed with infoboxes scattered around the page and would prefer they be reverted to separate articles once again. Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol in Ceuta and Melilla and Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol in Extremadura are the examples I had marked, but there may well be more. Thoughts? matt91486 ( talk) 01:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
I've created a stub on Maurice "Joe" Connor, an early 20th century player who played internationally for Ireland, as well as in England for Arsenal, Gillingham and Brentford, amongst others. Any info on this character would be much appreciated. Thanks, Giant Snowman 20:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
{{ Corinthians Memorial - Hall of Fame}} - yay or nay? Giant Snowman 13:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
On a similar note, is it worth keeping {{ Port Vale F.C. Player of the Year}}? – Pee Jay 23:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
"For recent transfers, see List of MLS transfers for the 2009 season has been added to MLS club (not season) articles. It isn't a huge deal either way to me but I have seen some back and forth edits on it and wanted to see what people thought. My only concerns with inclusion is if it doesn't get updated and it could be considered season specific. However, itt also provides info on the current squad which is of course listed. Any thoughts? Cptnono ( talk) 08:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
The season article task force of this project is currently discussing content guidelines for season articles at its talk page.
Up to now, proposals for league season article contents have been collected and are now being discussed. While there seems to be broad consensus on most parts, some items like the technical realization of league and results tables (usage of fb templates vs usage of modified templates including plain markup vs usage of conventional wikitables) or the appearance of goalscorer lists ( German/ Italian list format vs English table format) are still up for discussion. If you want to voice your opinion, be bold and do so on the task force talk page!
Regarding cup, club and national season articles, no discussion has yet been started. Especially the cup and club season articles could use some guidelines, so if you have ideas, propose them on the task force talk page! -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 11:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the fb templates that are used to create league tables (and other types of tables) in some articles. While the idea seems a good one (to standardise league tables and make it easier to create them), the implementation leaves a lot to be desired. I say this with all due respect to the creator(s), as my knowledge of template syntax is extremely limited, but it is more the overall structure than the low-level coding that I have an issue with. Templates are supposed to make things easier, but when you have to create and maintain thousands of templates such as Template:Fb round2 2009-10 UCL PO and Template:Fb team Beaconsfield SYCOB, there is something badly wrong. If we are to use such a template system, then we should get some template experts to properly parameterise it so it isn't so unwieldy. Until then, if I create a league table in an article I am working on, I will be using a wikitable. -- Jameboy ( talk) 11:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know the name of the Argentine Women's Football League? -- Carioca ( talk) 22:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I have noticed that the Chelsea page has had literally hundreds of edits in the last week or so, a very high percentage of which appear to be undoings. Does anyone think this might need some level of protection? I also noticed that the kits in the infobox are a bit too detailed, and may be infringing on copyight by including adidas logs, but I imagine that making a change at the moment wouldn't last too long. Dancarney ( talk) 22:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
The Eva Duarte Cup is a predecessor of the Spanish Supercup, but are not a same tournament like European Cup and Champions League, see RFEF.es. FC Barcelona have won 8 Spanish Supercups (record alongside Real Madrid), not 12.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 22:13, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Just to bring 90.194.217.153 ( talk · contribs) to attention, whose plethora of disruptive edits and rude edit summaries are getting quite annoying. Mattythewhite ( talk) 13:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Howdy fellow project members. I created two templates: {{ Czechoslovak First League top scorers}} and {{ Gambrinus liga top scorers}}. Feel free to kill some red links. - Darwinek ( talk) 15:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
This article makes some pretty out-there claims to professional leagues in football i.e. Ireland, Northern Ireland, Finland are ones that I can see off the top of my head. Does anyone with time & knowledge fancy adding/removing appropiate leagues, and adding reliable sources? I'd do it myself but I'm about to head off to a music festival! Giant Snowman 15:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
The American soccer pyramid article has been moved to United States soccer pyramid, by a user without leaving a comment as to why. Just wanted to get some sort of consensus on this, as American seemed a bit more logical considering there are a number of non-USA clubs from Canada, Puerto Rico and Bermuda. Or is this more of a case like the English football league system where the majority rules as such? -- Jimbo [online] 18:50, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Jones courted controversy in 2004 for an interview for popular sports magazine Sport-BILD. When asked whether there were gay footballers in the Bundesliga, he said "hopefully not."
In March 2007, Jones announced on the official Eintracht bulletin board that he would not extend his contract expiring at the end of the 2006–07 season. This enraged many Eintracht supporters, as Jones cancelled a contract negotiation with chairman Heribert Bruchhagen a few days before because his advisor was on a sudden journey to Brazil. In October 2006, he already had defended himself for turning down a contract offer, underlining he wanted to stay after all the management of the Eagles had done for him during his injuries.
In March 2009, Jones claimed "It doesn't make any fucking difference what the Schalke fans think at the end of the day" in response to jeering by supporters.
What do we need this on the page for? – Michael ( talk) 02:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately I can't find a free image of Andres Escobar but can a non-free image be used instead since he died a long time ago? Surely the heavy restrictions only apply to people who are still alive. I see Ernie Cooksey uses a non-free image since a free alternative is unlikely to ever be found. Spiderone 16:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
User Wajeehj ( talk · contribs) is creating a string of very short articles about footballers in the Spanish second division. Am I right to think that this does not meet WP:ATHLETE? JohnCD ( talk) 09:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Can an admin please re-create the article for David Cornell as he made his debut for Swansea in the League Cup on Tuesday. Link here. Kosack ( talk) 23:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
How would I go about explaining what marking is in the Kakha Kaladze article? Since it isn't noteworthy enough for its own article wouldn't it be ideal to have a list of definitions of all the commonly used football terms like "brace" that also don't have articles? Spiderone ( talk) 12:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I've been WP:BOLD and I've created Marking (association football), an article that is actually the merge of man-to-man marking and zonal marking. -- Angelo ( talk) 23:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
In the 2006 World Cup (for example), did Sven lead England against his native Sweden in group B or in Group B?
Was the card-fest between Portugal and Netherlands in the Second Round, or the second round?
Was it a Quarterfinal, or a quarterfinal, between Germany and Argentina that went to penalties? (There again, it could have been a quarter-final, a Quarter-Final, a Quarter-final, a quarter final, a Quarter final or even a Quarter Final, but please not a quarter-Final or a quarter Final)
Did Zidane get sent off in the Final, or in the final?
Were the Azzurri the Winners, or merely the winners?
I'm fairly sure they were neither Runners Up nor Runners-Up, but were France Runners up, or runners up, and in either case (in two senses of the word) do they get a hyphen?
Did the hosts beat Portugal to get third place, Third place, or Third Place?
Thoughts, and if possible references to MoS, policies or previous consensus, please? Kevin McE ( talk) 11:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Can I remind everyone that the posting of live scores to articles is contrary to Wikipedia policy, since Wikipedia is not a news service. Even if you don't do it yourself, I implore you all to revert any additions of live scores to articles, particularly if the changes are made without reference to any sources. – Pee Jay 21:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
If you're watching/listening to a match, why do you want to spend time updating Wikipedia? -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
If there are no objections, I will change the background color for drawn matches in the results boxes of league season articles from white to a light yellow in order to get a better separation between actual draws and blank cells. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 12:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I have started the article about the incident at Upton Park, under the title 2009 Upton Park riot. I would greatly welcome some help in sourcing background, reaction, match details and team line-ups. 03 md 16:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm surprised that the info keeps getting removed because many reliable sources have commented on it. [5] [6] [7] [8] Surely to ignore something like this would be bias towards Eduardo. Spiderone 12:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
please keep an eye on this, i added a source saying he is set to join derby on loan, people are now using that source to say the move is complete, this is incorrect to can you help me keep the article accurate. Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 17:40, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Within this category, most of the subcats (but not all, but that's a separate issue) are of the form Footown F.C. directors and chairmen, which doesn't match the parent cat. I'd also be pretty certain that many of the sub-cats contain people who never invested in the clubs (I'm pretty sure Brian Moore did not sink any of his money into Gillingham to get a seat on the board in the 1980s), so they are in a parent category to which they don't rightly belong. So should the title of the parent cat be changed......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
When is it ok to have the squad list and uniforms of a team in an article (besides the World Cup, continental finals, and one off important matches)? I was looking at the 2009 Canadian Soccer Championship, and it seems too much have the squad lists and uniforms of the teams in this article. Digirami ( talk) 22:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I noticed a recent addition to his article is sort of a cross over of fan talk from BBC's 606 blog/comments. Should this type of information be considered Wiki material or not? I thought this was very borderline and was thinking of removing it. Some thoughts please. Govvy ( talk) 10:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
With regard to this discussion, a TfD has been set up and could do with some more contributions from WP:FOOTY members. To avoid accusations of canvassing, I am not suggesting that anyone !vote in a particular way, only that you should !vote. – Pee Jay 23:12, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Is it just me that finds edits like this? a bit unneccessary? I think, if something lacks citation, and it's uncontroversial, then all you need to do is ad a {{ cn}} tag. To me, the idea that someone named Giuseppe is of Italian descent seems fairly uncontroversial, and yet scores of German footballers are having their heritage removed from their WP pages. ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 08:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons.
–Jimmy Wales Jimmy Wales (2006-05-16). ""Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information"". WikiEN-l electronic mailing list archive. Retrieved 2006-06-11.
Knowledgeable eyes, especially those of anyone familiar with the Irish football scene, would be welcome on this supected hoax article. Please comment on the article talk page. JohnCD ( talk) 21:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
A user recently added IPA pronunciations for a bunch of English league clubs. However many of them are plain wrong, so I simply removed the most obvious ones. On second thought, it might actually be useful to have the correct IPA pronunciation of these particular names, as they are the ones most likely to be mispronounced. So maybe someone who actually knows IPA could correct what needs to be corrected in this user' list of edits (see my edits for the ones I removed). Bohdan80 ( talk) 11:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Can somebody please have a look at Fenerbahçe S.K., a large serie of IP changes the squadlist just based on roumers. --> Halmstad, Charla to moi 04:06, 30 June 2009 ( UTC)
I have created new pages:
I could do with some help finding and adding information!! :)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBigJagielka ( talk • contribs) 22:48, 8 July 2009
Are the contents of this Category:20th-century male football (soccer) players really neccessary? It looks like overcategorisation again with the sub categories being quadrouple intersections of C20th-male-football player-position. King of the North East 14:30, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Should we trust this list of professional leagues? It's completely unsourced and contains leagues that we know aren't professional such as Vietnam, Bangladesh and Finland. Spiderone 08:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
A quick query about national flags in the squad section of team articles: As I understand it if a player is born in a particular country, has lived in that country his whole life and has not been capped by another nation then his birth nation should be the country indicated on the squad list. I've reverted edits made by ip editor 86.134.95.215 ( talk • contribs • info • WHOIS), who has been changing Jo Kuffour's nationality to Ghanaian on the Bristol Rovers squad list, presumbly because he has trained with the Ghanaian national team, but has not been capped.
Unfortunately the user is unwilling/unable to engage in any discussion about the subject, so I'm just looking for a little bit of reassurance here that I am in the right, or is the consensus that being called up to a national squad is enough to define his nationality? These little colourful rectangles are more trouble than they are worth! :-) — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 13:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the input, I'll go ahead and revert my previous revert! — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 08:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
These afDs don't have enough votes to reach a conclusion:
Spiderone 12:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Could you please restore Joe Cobb (footballer) and Richard Martin (footballer) as they made senior appearances in the Football League Trophy tonight as per [12] and [13]. Cheers, -- Jimbo [online] 20:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Various IP users insist, despite my polite words, to not pipe club names on this article i.e. it should be [[FC Barcelona|Barcelona]] and not [[FC Barcelona]]. Can an admin semi-protect please as it has been going on for days now and is getting annoyinf & boring. Thanks, Giant Snowman 08:34, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
{{ Celta de Vigo squad}} isn't appearing properly on players' article, and neither myself nor Vasco can for the life of us work out why. Can anyone else take a quick look please? Cheers, Giant Snowman 09:34, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
The standard naming convention for player categories is "Wikipedia F.C. players" - Category:Arsenal F.C. players Category:AS Monaco FC players, Category:Juventus F.C. players etc. But take a look at Category:Footballers in Spain by club - is there any the player categories for Spanish clubs are "footballers" as opposed to "players"? Giant Snowman 15:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I discussed this a bit earlier up on the page (Combining Lower Level Leagues heading), but User:ZZ86 has been combining lower-level Spanish leagues in awkward ways. I was hoping that an admin could roll back the combined articles into the old ones that already existed. matt91486 ( talk) 06:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
An "H. Beare" played for Blackpool between 1920 and 1926, according to my club-history book, making 169 league appearances and scoring 112 goals. Thing is, he isn't listed in Michael Joyce's Football League Players' Records 1888 to 1939 book. There's an article on George Beare, who, strangely, isn't included in the former book but is in Joyce's. The only thing I can think of is that the surname of "H." is misspelled and he appears elsewhere in Joyce's book. Any help would be appreciated. - Dudesleeper / Talk 22:19, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
The player you're looking for is Harry Bedford (169 matches 112 goals). His name is missing on page 377 of the Complete Record of Blackpool book, and his stats were added to H. Beare. H. Beare is G. Beare (typing error G is next to H) Cattivi ( talk) 17:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have Charlie Bicknell's league stats for his spell at Chesterfield? Thanks, Giant Snowman 11:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Moved from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 12:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Why can't I create an article on footballer Denaldin Hamzagic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vjecnobordo ( talk • contribs) 19:19, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand why Dado Hamzagic can't get an article, but players like Irfan Lusnickic who hasn't even signed a pro-contract gets one?!? Hamzagic has played a major role during the qualification process in Uefa Europa League. I have even watched the game against Helsingborg live in the stadium, and he was the one who made the last penalty, which lead FK Sarajevo to the next round...-- Vjecnobordo ( talk) 03:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Hull City A.F.C. has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 15:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi there teammates,
i would like to pose a question that's been puzzling me for the last months: are there any guidelines on how club names (its wikilinks that is) should be presented? I have seen (some i should say WITNESS) various edit wars going on about this and, since i do not wish to be part (at least intentionally) of another, i have this doubt...
My approach is, especially for large names, the following: i display the club's full name (it's informative and 100% harmless) - for example Figueirense Futebol Clube in storyline, then link hidden in box, only showing FIGUEIRENSE. Some folks go and compress the name also in storyline. For what i have seen, in thousands of player pages edited/visited, there seems to be no pattern, with some even showing clubnames in full in infobox, although i think the latter is merely an "accident".
Can someone tell me if there any proper steps on "conducting" this matters, please? Attentively,
VASCO AMARAL, Portugal - -- NothingButAGoodNothing ( talk) 17:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
If a player played for, say, Scunthorpe & Lindsey United, should he be included in Category:Scunthorpe United F.C. players? Scunthorpe & Lindsey United F.C. redirects to Scunthorpe United F.C., but I thought it best to check. - Dudesleeper / Talk 23:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Stephen O'Halloran is currently being added and removed to the Aston Villa squad list about once a week for quite a while. His contract with Villa ran out in the summer as far as I can work out but that is not official and he has not been officially released by the club. The 2009–10 press release from Villa about squad numbers omitted him ( "Squad Numbers 2009-10". Aston Villa F.C. Retrieved 2009-09-02.) as does the UEFA squad list. ( "Aston Villa FC". UEFA. Retrieved 2009-09-02.) The Aston Villa main squad list though does still list him and that is generally what is used to determine the squad list and squad numbers.( "Squad list". Aston Villa F.C. Retrieved 2009-08-20.)
So, what I am asking is whether he should be in the main Aston Villa F.C.#Current squad list? What do you all think? Woody ( talk) 10:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I have been wondering the best way of showing exactly the seasons in wich a certain player has played in a certain club. With players that have played entire seasons in different clubs I find no questions, but the ones that changed clubs in the winter break, I do have questions. In the players pages I have been starting, I have followed a policy of indicating the SEASONS that a player spended in a certain club, not calendar YEARS. But that makes perhaps some confusion with editors that not edit that way, couse you can find players that have played ;Exemple:
This way, I´m indicating that a player have played the season 2004-2005 in both clubs. What I see in majority of cases is a "random chousing" of to what team to atribute that season, so it would "wrongly" be indicated. Exemple:
In cases players played for half season I usually find only one year written Exemple:
But here you can´t really see what half season that player played in Sunderland, was it in 1999-2000 or 2000-2001 ? So, I have been putting (Ex: if it was in 1999-2000, 1999-(2000), indicating in brackets the part he played of that season).
This question is mainly concerning seasons in central and south european style seasons, that are played from summer to summer. In many American, african or some scandinavian or eastern countries, where seasons start in February or March, and end before the end of the year, this is not a problem. For some players that played many half seasons the infobox looks pretty confusing having many time only one year indicated and sometimes the same year repeated 3 or 4 times. Any thoughts? FkpCascais ( talk) 21:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Exemple:(completely random clubs) an player that has played:
The usual way of doing it it would look like this in the infobox:
This way you miss the half season that a player played in Espanyol(between January 1995 until summer 1995, that belongs to the season 1994-95), and the half season in Chelsea (between summer 1999 until January 2000), and the time spend in Sunderland wan´t bee defined by season. By my way it would look like:
This way, I´m indicating that the player has played the season 1994-1995 in both Osasuna and Espanyol (like he really did), without having to choose to what club should I give him that season, and, I´m not missing the half season of 1999-2000 that he played in Chelsea. This is not easy to explain, but is quite simple and more accurate. Thanx. FkpCascais ( talk) 17:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
This way missing the half season in Osasuna (from summer 1994 until January 1995), and giving the impression he played the entire season 1994-95 in Espanyol, or
this way missing the half season in Espanyol (from January 1995 until summer 1995), giving the impression he played the entire season 1994-95 in Osasuna. By my way:
I´m, I think, more close to the thru, because I´m indicating that the player played in Osasuna in the seasons: 92-93, 93-94 and 94-95 (even if it was half, only until winter break), but it is thru; and in Espanyol in the seasons 94-95 (also half, but he did play) 95-96 and 96-97. But I have been corrected in some cases, people put some year forward or back, so there would be continuation in the years. This gets more important when a player played, exemple, from summer 1995 until December 1996 (playing one and a half seasons) and putting the total league caps and goals in only 1995-1996 period would look like he played very much in only one season, and by my way it should be put 1995-1997, since he played the first half of the 96-97 season. I´m sorry bothering everyone so much with this. FkpCascais ( talk) 19:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I was hoping to get a discussion started on the proper article location and piped names of certain Mexican clubs, namely those affiliated with universities in Mexico. The three clubs I had in mind, were Pumas (associated with Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México or UNAM), Tecos (associated with Universidad Autónoma de Guadalajara or UAG), and Tigres (associated with Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo León or UANL). There doesn't seem to be a consistent way to refer to these clubs, either on WP or in the real world, but I was hoping that we could get a better guideline that could be used in all Mexican league articles, as well as CONCACAF articles, with all of your help.
Pumas is currently at Club Universidad Nacional, Tecos is currently at Estudiantes Tecos, and Tigres is currently at C.D. Universitario de Nuevo León. UNAM is currently at National Autonomous University of Mexico, UAG is currently at Universidad Autónoma de Guadalajara, and UANL is currently at Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo León.
We could either move those articles to consistent positions, or move them to basically what we decide on for a piped link name, but that brings up a different issue.
The question I would like to have answered is which format is preferred for piped names, as I think we should try to use a similar format for all three teams:
1. Pumas, Tecos, and Tigres
2. UNAM, UAG, and UANL
3. U.N.A.M., U.A.G., and U.A.N.L.
4. Pumas UNAM, Tecos UAG, and Tigres UANL
5. Pumas U.N.A.M., Tecos U.A.G., and Tigres U.A.N.L.
6. UNAM Pumas, UAG Tecos, and UANL Tigres
7. U.N.A.M. Pumas, U.A.G. Tecos, and U.A.N.L. Tigres
That seems to cover all of the options, but any further suggestions, like leaving the articles more or less where they currently are, are also a possibility. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance if you even made it this far. – Football. Fútbol. Soccer 03:40, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Options 4 and 6 seem like the best options considering that these nicknames are heavily used, and to avoid confusion the university initials are added. On a side note, I noticed a brief mention of the C.A. Boca Juniors naming. I was wondering why they haven't done that to the River Plate article, because typing Club Atlético River Plate is annoying, especially the time wasted getting the é. C.A. River Plate would be so much easier to handle.-- MicroX ( talk) 04:04, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, could someone give me an opinion whether this bit of information is relevant for the Filippo Inzaghi article? As I said here I think that this completely irrelevant for an encyclopedia, but I'm afraid Stt13 and I can't agree on this. So I would like to know what others think. -- Jaellee ( talk) 21:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello football fans! I'm trying to resolve the problem with current squad of Vyzas F.C. I'm not sure with notability of those third league players, in my opinion they surely fails WP:PEOPLE. On the other hand, Greek Gamma Ethniki is a professional league. Can you help me, please? This discussion could be helpful. Thanks. -- Vejvančický ( talk) 10:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
If anyone has an image of David Wetherall lying around somewhere then can they please upload it? Also does anyone know anything about his personal life? He's old enough to have one. Spiderone 12:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I've nominated this article for a DYK entry, but I'm not 100% sure about the hook. Could people please make any comments they may have at Template talk:Did you know#Albert Pape? – Pee Jay 21:46, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
As a youth player, Magennis played as a goalkeeper but changed his position prior to turning professional. A user has recently continued to add goalkeeper to the positions list in his infobox despite messages on the talk pages of both the article and the user. I was following the examples of articles such as Petr Cech and Tom Heaton who also played in different positions before turning professional.
Could someone please tell me if I am correct in what I am doing and if so what should I do next to stop it being added as the user has ignored any message I have left. Thanks. Kosack ( talk) 23:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
The instructions for the Infobox Football biography 2 say "{{{position}}} — The player's most common position (as a player). If a player is known for playing in multiple roles then the author should elect which is the most significant and explain the point more fully within the article." Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 04:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
The article on Stuart McCall says that "He played a total of 763 league games during his career, the 12th highest of all British footballers", which got me to thinking that it could be useful to have an article which lists players (of all nationalities) by number of league apps in England & Scotland. But I can't for the life of me think of a succinct & suitable title - can anyone help? Cheers, Giant Snowman 21:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Right, seeing as the title remains a problem, I have created a sandbox, so please feel free to add to it. For now it only has a couple of players with more than 300 league apps, but if you want to change this (400/500 apps perhaps, to stop it getting super-long) or the format, then please suggest so on the talk page. Cheers, Giant Snowman 14:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Right, if no-one can think of a better title, I'm going to move the sandbox to List of footballers in England and Scotland by number of league appearances; if someone does think of a more apt title after I've moved it into mainspace, then we can always move the page. Cheers, Giant Snowman 10:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
This player disappears in 2001 after leaving Hayes before reappearing playing for Enfield Town during the 2007-08 season. Can anyone fill in the six year gap? Cheers, Giant Snowman 00:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
These two articles - Bucheon SK and Jeju United FC - look to be about the same team that simply underwent a name change. Can an admin or someone look at it, check I'm right, and merge them or something? Cheers, Giant Snowman 12:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
There was a footballer in the 1930s named George Nevin, who was born in Lintz, County Durham, in 1907. Michael Joyce's book "Football League Players' Records 1888 to 1939" also lists a John W Nevin, who was born in Lintz in 1887. Does anyone know if these two might be related. If it helps, the book says that John W Nevin was playing for Gateshead at the time. – Pee Jay 17:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
As you may know, we currently have 400 good article nominations, with a large number of them being in the sports and recreation section. As such, the waiting time for this is especially long, much longer than it should be. As a result of this, I am asking each sports-related WikiProject to review two or three of these nominations. If this is abided by, then the backlog should be cleared quite quickly. Some projects nominate a lot but don't review, or vice-versa, and following this should help to provide a balance and make the waiting time much smaller so that our articles can actually get reviewed! Wizardman 23:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Crispin173 ( talk · contribs · count) has changed the dates of birth of two footballers and made no other edits. I suspect vandalism. But does someone have an appropriate reference source to confirm things one way or the other.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 20:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Things have got more complicated, so I've removed the resolved status. The user has now reinstated the 1st of April as Quinn's birthday. I was going to revert and warn him, but the Blades' official site actually give that as his birthday. Meanwhile, when I searched the FAI's site I found stuff saying he was born on the 4th. I'm tempted to email the club to see if they can confirm that their site is right.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 16:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
SWE-DEW (1-1) of 06/06/2009 and DEN-POR (1-1) of yesterday. But in the page of Kjaer there are 3 matches. What is the third? -- 87.10.166.52 ( talk) 12:27, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
We want to add a 'Rank' column down the left-hand side of List of footballers in England and Scotland by number of league appearances, can anyone tell us how to do automatic numbering? In articles # is used, but it doesn't work in tables. Cheers, Giant Snowman 12:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
The above's article states he was the son of Jimmy Blair (footballer born 1888), while the latter's article claims Doug Blair as his son. There's no mention of the two being siblings. Can someone clear this up? - Dudesleeper / Talk 12:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I've put together an idea I had a while ago over at my sandbox. Since the standings and league tables in each league season article don't link to individual team's seasons I think that it would be benificial to integrate them into the yearly navbox. I think that a lot of individual team season articles are nearly orphans as things currently stand. What does everyone else think about this? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 19:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
So then how should we go about integrating team season articles? Should the redlinks be included? If so, should they only be included down to a certain tier? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 10:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have a preference on whether or not to include on the templates the redlinks or unlinked titles for teams who do not currently have an existing team season article? This or this? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 11:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed a general problem in pages about past Serie A and Serie B seasons: all classification tables have a column for the goal difference. The problem is that GD was unknown in Italy before 1968, because goal average was used instead, under English influence. More, from 1938 to 1942, GA was part of the official regulations, and could decide relegations or promotions: in Serie B 1938-39, SSC Venezia was promoted to Serie A instead of Atalanta BC for a best GA (1.69 against 1.65) even if, nowadays counting, Atalanta had a best GD. Can anyone solve this problem?-- Civitatem ( talk) 15:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
{{#expr: <insert GF> / <insert GA> round 2}}
Do we display them: Yes or no? Someone has gone out and added them in the South American zone, and who knows if he'll do the same to the other regions. Digirami ( talk) 00:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
There is currently an AfD in progress that may possibly end up being relevant to this project. The discussion concerns Sam Loxton with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948, as well as the rest of a series of articles about the players involved with that cricket tour. Obviously, this AfD could have far-reaching consequences regarding articles about players' involvement in sporting events, so further comments would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam Loxton with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948. Thanks. – Pee Jay 17:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Surely, for now, a case of WP:ONEEVENT? A similar case was that of Nathan Porritt, whose article became a redirect until he passed WP:ATHLETE. Anyone any objections to me AfDing it? Giant Snowman 19:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Luke Rooney was loaned out by Gillingham before he'd turned professional. So should his infobox show "Youth career: 2007-2009, Gillingham", then "Senior career: 2009 Lewes (loan), 2009– Gillingham"? It's technically correct but would look ridiculous........... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 21:32, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
There's a line of whitespace after the first and before the last line of seasons at {{ Blackpool F.C. seasons}}, but I can't see why in the edit window. I've looked at it in Firefox, Google Chrome and IE, and the problems appears in each. - Dudesleeper / Talk 22:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
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Is he notable? I assumed he wasn't because he hadn't had a page before but now I'm not sure. Spiderone 12:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Can an admin unsalt Kyle Collins please; he has earned international caps for St Kitts & Nevis, as per [15]. Thanks, Giant Snowman 12:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Something about Patrick Kisnorbo's family history or possible family history. [16] Spiderone 14:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
There are five footballers called Arthur Brown, and all of the articles are located at Arthur Middlename Brown. Is that for a reason, or am I OK to move to Arthur Brown (footballer born xxxx) Giant Snowman 15:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I believe that I created some of these articles - at the time (2007) I was a bit confused as to who was who, and followed the lead of our old mate Woody on Albert Arthur Brown but I agree they should all be moved to Arthur Brown (footballer born xxxx). -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 15:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone happen to know whether the Algerian top division is fully professional in the WP:ATHLETE sense? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 08:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, can someone take a look at Talk:Northern Ireland national football team#First Game, etc. In summary, the Irish Football Association used to organize an all-Ireland team (designated as EIR by FIFA) but now organize the Northern Ireland national football team (designated as NIR by FIFA). The page displays "biggest win", "biggest loss", etc, but as using stats from the all-Ireland team - is this correct? Should those stats be attributed to the Northern Ireland national football team even though there was no such thing as the NI national team then? Thank you. -- HighKing ( talk) 12:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys, listen, I´m not sure if this player, Hosny Abd Rabo is the same as this Mohamed Abd Rabo and this Hosny Abd Rabo El Motaleb Ibrahim ? I know two Egiptians played in Slovenia in Olimpija Ljubljana in 2004-05 ( Mohamed Abd Rabo and Riad Aliriza). I just want to know if the wiki page Abd Rabo is the one that played in Slovenia? FkpCascais ( talk) 15:36, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
What teams merit having stand-alone articles on their reserve teams? I can understand Chelsea F.C. Reserves and Youth Team and Arsenal F.C. Reserves, but Crystal Palace F.C. Reserves.........? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 20:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
I'd support merging into the articles of the parent clubs. There's little to say about these teams that can't be covered in a couple of tightly-written short paragraphs in the main articles, especially considering that these teams consist mainly of players who normally aren't notable for individual articles - and those who are notable are normally injured/unfit/... visitors from the first team. Furthermore, just because something is notable doesn't mean it needs its own article - indeed, being notable just means is that it meets the minimum threshold for inclusion anywhere in en.wp Knepflerle ( talk) 10:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
please could you restore the deleted Semih Aydilek, player has now played for Kayserispor in the Turkish Super League. [18] thanks, Struway2 ( talk) 10:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
In Lomana LuaLua I have used his official site as a source on a couple of occasions, is this OK for GA? I realise that for FA this probably wouldn't be acceptable but I'm sure the site is official and that the person writing the blog and stuff is definitely LuaLua and not some impostor. Spiderone 11:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I am part-way through creating a List of North American Soccer League players in my sandbox. As you can see, I've only worked through the Cs and already the list is quite big. Should I keep it as one long list, or split it into individual letters - List of North American Soccer League players - A, List of North American Soccer League players - B etc.? Giant Snowman 14:32, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
These AfDs only have one vote, it is also worth noting that one has been expanded since its deletion nomination:
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According to the Thai national team article, former national captain Vithoon Kijmongkolsak scored 32 goals for the team between 1985 and 1995. But I can't find a SINGLE reliable source for him on Google - everything I can find is from Wikipedia mirror sites! So is this guy a hoax, or am I just being a bit special? Giant Snowman 21:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Everyone knows that we have a lot of unassessed articles, but even a lot of the various 2010 World Cup qualification articles, as well as articles from previous World Cups, are unassessed. Would these all fall under "high" importance? I was thinking that they would, but I wasn't sure if some of the articles that focus on a specific round within a single confederation's qualification cycle might be of "mid" importance. Thoughts? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 11:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I've updated New West Ham Stadium if anyone wants to take a look. 82.3.86.1 ( talk) 12:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
We're having a little discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Season article task force#Notability to determine which teams may have a team season article. It's a pretty basic criteria so far, but more input would be welcome. Thanks. JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 14:16, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Good evening, gentlemen! 30+ articles concerning Latvian League have been nominated for deletion; if you are interested, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rihards Gorkšs for discussion. Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi ( talk) 17:43, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
The Rotherham official site claims that David Haggerty "made his league debut for the club when he came on as substitute for the final game of the 2007/08 season against Barnet." However, he is not listed in the line-up by Soccerbase - so which source is correct? Giant Snowman 13:14, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Has to be Haggerty. Soccerbase, BBC etc have Craig Fleming coming on, however Fleming left Rotherham for Kings Lynn at the start of 2007/08 season and retired through injury in March 2008. Clearly a slip of the finger by the first "reliable source" which was then copied by all the rest. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 13:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Note that the BBC or Soccerbase or a multitude of supposedly secondary reputable sources like Sky, all use PA originally for their data. If PA get it wrong, then all the supposed reputable sources get it wrong when it comes to the likes of lower league football. If you want to check on debuts and stats, then I'd suggest using either official sites, local newspapers who know the score, or best still the old Rothmans, now Sky Sports (ironically) Football Yearbooks edited by Rollin. 91.106.113.27 ( talk) 22:34, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
There are at least two footballers called Peter Daniel - one born 1946 and one born 1955. I think editors, in their confusion, have merged the careers of these two players on the existing article (1955), as they both played in the Football League AND the NASL. Career summaries are here - Neil Brown (1946), Neil Brown (1955), NASL (1946), NASL (presumably 1955). Can someone please double check to see if I'm right or not? Cheers, Giant Snowman 13:16, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
The career of Peter W. (1955) should read: Hull City (74-78 as a senior pro), Wolves (May 78-May 84), Minnesota Kicks (Summer 84), Sunderland (August 84-Nov 85), Lincoln (Nov 85-May 87), Burnley (July 87-89). He never played for Vancouver - this is his correct NASL stats page: http://www.nasljerseys.com/Players/D/Daniel.Peter2.htm Wolvesweb ( talk) 19:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
A couple of discussions at the top of the page are over two months old, but haven't been archived by MiszaBot II ( talk · contribs), who hasn't stopped operating...any reason for this? Giant Snowman 15:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Would somebody please be able to add the black stripes on the goalkeeper's shirt as in this image, to this kit, as i am useless :) thanks. Eddie6705 ( talk) 20:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I have added Guardian's Stats Centre as a reference to thousands of articles (and I know I'm not the only person who has) mostly because it is reliable (at least for recent seasons) and in English. For several countries (such as Greece or Japan), I'm not good enough with the local languages to find non-English alternatives. Here's the problem, the url has changed recently (only slightly). The opening part of the address http://touchline.onthespot.co.uk/ has moved to http://guardian.touch-line.com/, but everything after that is the same. I could try to change them all manually (ugh), but I was hoping someone knows how to order a bot or create a bot that could do it automatically. I would appreciate any help. Jogurney ( talk) 02:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
User:WCR4 6 has created {{ EuropaLeagueFootballbox}} for use in 2009–10 UEFA Europa League group stage. The only difference between this template and {{ footballbox}} is the addition of spaces for the assistant referees, fourth official and goal-line officials. Personally, I think this is overkill, but I wanted to see what other people thought before I nominated the template for deletion. – Pee Jay 08:07, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have a date of birth of Northern Irish player Martin Donnelly, who played in the NASL in the 1970s and 1980s? I need to disambiguate him from Martin Donnelly (footballer born 1988). Giant Snowman 09:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
ignoring general notability criteria please... If a player has never played in a fully-pro league as understood by WP:ATHLETE, but has played in European competition, what round of the Champions League, UEFA Cup as was, or Europa League structure would he have to appear in to be considered notable per WP:ATHLETE? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 15:01, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
This article needs renaming, but to what? Swiss First Division 1903–04? Giant Snowman 21:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Manchester City F.C. for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 21:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to be pushy, but could someone give 2009 UEFA Champions League Final a copyedit for its peer review ( see here)? I'm hoping to be able to set a benchmark for articles about football matches with this one, so a review with an ultimate goal of WP:FAC would be really helpful. Thanks. – Pee Jay 23:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I have just created some very basic stubs on a number of English football managers who were (mainly) active in the Netherlands in the early part of the 20th century. Any information on any of their playing/coaching careers would be much appreciated:
AFC Ajax:
Dutch national side:
Thanks in advance, as ever. Giant Snowman 15:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Just out of interest, what with Ajax being an amateur team in the 1920s, because they didn't have professional football in the Netherlands for another 30 years, what makes the likes of Harold Rose notable? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 18:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I assume you're aware of Jack Reynolds (footballer born 1881). Kevin McE ( talk) 19:37, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Although Dutch Football was strictly amateur before 1954, clubs were allowed to employ professional trainers. Trainer is a much better word for their job than manager. Training players was all they did in those days. Not many people in the Netherlands spoke English... Line-ups were made by a committee. Transfers didn't exist etc.. Jack Reynolds only played for Watford in the 1907-08 season (27 SL matches 4 goals) Ajax didn't win the Eredivisie when Reynolds was their trainer. The Eredivisie started in 1956. Should be National Champion or something similar. Harold Bernard (Harry) Rose is the former Reading/ Bristol Rovers player. Born May 1900 in Reading died May 1990 in Reading 1920-21 Reading 5 leaguematches went to Bristol Rovers in May 1921 ,14 league matches until 1924 when he went to Mid Rhondda United Cattivi ( talk) 02:32, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
[25] also: [26] Can't find a Jim Waites in the newspapers of that time, only Harry . The early national coaches were often clubcoaches at the same time, Cattivi ( talk) 03:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
[29] Cattivi ( talk) 11:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I know, The Brinvest Voetbaljaarboek says Jim as well. The problem is that I can't find primary sources confirming this, this means his name is Harry in my own archive until proven otherwise. I know wikipedia prefers secondary sources. Cattivi ( talk) 14:27, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
He's not in the book or on the site. He's not the Walsall goalkeeper Cattivi ( talk) 14:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Here, we need to wipe out meaningless stubs opinions on articles that may fail
WP:ATH:
Spiderone 08:59, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Are most of those just fan sites? They look like they are too me, wouldn't mind a double check. Govvy ( talk) 10:50, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
When they are in other languages how do you add that in the ref template? Is there a field option to state the language the reference is in? Govvy ( talk) 11:20, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
|language=
, for example |language=German
. This will display a "(in German)" after the linked url in the reference.
Rambo's Revenge
(talk) 11:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Just to let you know that apparently Tevez's transfer value was today revealed as £47m (ridiculous!). I've update everywhere I can think of and another editor updated Transfer (football). If there is anywhere else people can think that needs doing please do so or let me know. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 12:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
It would appear from the article Nigerian Premier League, and from that league's Rules and Regulations, specifically and explicitly Section 1.4 Eligibility which starts off (1) All Professional Football clubs in Nigeria shall be eligible to play in the League for which they qualify, that this is a fully-professional league within the meaning of WP:ATHLETE. Also backed up by the BBC article cited in the article which mentions a minimum wage. Would people say that's enough proof to add it to the list of pro leagues? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 13:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
It appears that Abdul Qayyum Ahmad ( talk · contribs) has copied the article Treviso F.B.C. 1993, pasted the content in the new article A.S.D. Treviso 2009 and turned the former into a redirect to the latter. As a result, the full editing history is not visible, which doesn't comply with GFDL, IIRC. I have raised the issue on WP:AN/I. I would welcome comments and suggestions as to what to do next. 94.212.31.237 ( talk) 23:26, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I have been through the article and cleaned it up, I am not sure know, would you call it a B or C class rating?? Govvy ( talk) 11:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed this AfD, and simultaneously I found a new article - Fabio Borini. It could be interesting for your project. -- Vejvančický ( talk) 13:56, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering how many peeps are interested in a Spurs task force. If there are enough fans to bother having a sub-page to help organise all the pages/articles? Govvy ( talk) 14:57, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Following the discussions in here, I decided to raise the renaming issues for these three articles:
Should they be renamed into Australia v American Samoa (2001), similar to England v Scotland (1870) or AS Adema v SO l'Emyrne, similar to Bayern Munich v Norwich City ? Or are there any other naming suggestions? — Martin tamb ( talk) 18:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Personally, where the score is part of the title, I'd prefer the "Arbroath 36 Bon Accord 0" format, which incidentally is what that article was called before it was moved to the scoreline-in-the-middle version, apparently without discussion. Score-in-the-middle is how it'd appear in a formatted table of football results, but it reads more naturally with the scores separated. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 11:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Martin tamb pointed me here. As someone who doesn't really follow soccer, I'm a) not likely to read many articles under this project's purview, but b) a tad confused by a title like Australia 31–0 American Samoa. Now, when I think about it for a second it's easy to understand what it means, and I think anyone with much of a basis of knowledge in sports can easily figure it out, too. There comes a point when you have to figure out how far to bend for accessibility to people who probably aren't going to read your articles anyway - do you want to make the title idiotproof for people who don't know much of anything at all about sports? They're even less likely to read your articles than I am. I don't really offer any sort of solution, just a few thoughts, but as I mentioned at the article's talk page, 1916 Cumberland vs. Georgia Tech football game is another article about a sports game notable for its final score (though would Australia/American Samoa be considered notable on its own if not for its score?) does not have a scoreboard title. I dislike parenthetical qualifiers as much as the next editor, but I think a title like the 1916 college football game is just unwieldy enough to be accessible to absolutely everyone. Could it have been at Georgia Tech 222, Cumberland 0? Probably. And probably anyone with a basis in sports, even if they're not used to seeing final scores written that way, could understand the title. But I think that article's current title is better. Alex finds herself awake at night ( Talk · What keeps her up) 06:49, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
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Is this match notable or not? Doesn't look to be to me, but perhaps someone older with a batter knowledge of football could enlighten me... Giant Snowman 10:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
What is the preferred format for the date and time when using the {{ footballbox}}? I've seen several formats for both, and I think we should be consistent when it comes to that. Digirami ( talk) 09:21, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm looking for confirmation that Wright, who was a coach at Tranmere Rovers after his retirement, is the same person who went on to become their manager. - Dudesleeper / Talk 15:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Was not doubt long and boring. I am only able to write the bare bones of the boring mid-table finishes of his boring clubs. Quite the contrast to the lengthy details on his management career at the fabulous Port Vale and time as Director of Football at the other club in Stoke-on-Trent.
So if someone could add some details of his fifteen years in the Football League as a player it would be most appreciated.-- EchetusXe 19:33, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Should these templates be nominated for deletion? Black 'n Red 16:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Why is he not listed in the squad? He was on the bench according to his bio and was an important part of the team even though he didn't play that game.
I'd keep mention down to those who played an active part in the match and omit the substitutes; we're aiming for summary-style. Knepflerle ( talk) 10:08, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
According to the article he has never made a professional appearance. Why does he have a page if this is the case? Also there is inconsistency over the use of N'Galula and Ngalula. Spiderone ( talk) 08:33, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Arsenal youngster Jay Emmanuel-Thomas today signed on loan for Blackpool, and he is expected to go straight into the squad for the home game against Derby County tomorrow. At the moment he doesn't have an article, but it is quite likely that Ian Holloway will play him at some point in the game, even if as a sub. So, I have created the article in my sandbox until he makes his pro-debut. ♦Tangerines♦· Talk 17:08, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
WP:FPL lists the Russian Second Division as fully-pro (without any sources), and I can see that it is part of the professional league structure in Russia. However, my concern is that the teams in this third-tier league are in desperate financial troubles (many have folded or withdrawn already this season) and I doubt that it is fully-pro in the sense that we typically use (all players are paid a living wage), just that it is not amateur. The reason this is a concern is that one user has apparently created articles for every single player in this level for 2009 (and there are more than 50 clubs). Fortunately, he or she has provided at least one source to each article which verifies the player's existence, vital and playing statistics. However, this represents a huge amount of new articles on players that I suspect do not meet WP:ATHLETE which will be difficult to maintain/update. What do you think we should do? Can anyone confirm with this level is actually fully-pro? Jogurney ( talk) 20:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Could someone help me adding the new kit for 1. FC Magdeburg? I've tried by using the existing templates, but I didn't find a working combination. Kit can be found here. Thanks in advance. Madcynic ( talk) 11:53, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I think I've got it now - but I left out the sponsor hoop. Madcynic ( talk) 11:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, another Yank showing her complete lack of knowledge of real football. :)
Cuckfield Rangers is in division 2 of the Mid-Sussex Football League. Where does this fall on the scale of importance -- does it make them a local team that plays for beer? Close to a national level team? I'm trying to decide if there's any chance of notability. Thanks!-- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Are clubs that play at a state level automatically notable? This is the AfD in question. The Sikkim team looks to fail WP:GNG and hasn't competed at a national level. It has also never won the Santosh Trophy, the only competition it competes in. Spiderone ( talk) 08:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Additional note: The current primary goal is to create guidelines for each of the four season article categories listed above. Discussion participation welcome! -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 12:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
If you have the time:
*
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Houcine Zaidoune
*
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mubarak Al Bloushi
I will, of course, withdraw as usual if new evidence is found that makes me look like a fool. Spiderone ( talk) 08:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Someone unintentionally made my point for me and this needs tyo be followed or changed if it is a concern: "All leagues whose members are eligible for national cups are assumed notable. All leagues that are a country's highest level are assumed notable (per WP:FOOTY/Notability) Stop being sad about poor articles and fix them. Deletion is not always needed.12:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Mario Mendez(futbolista panameño) -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 15:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Can someone recreate Nathan Porritt. It's a redirect at the moment but I'm sure it had some content about him once upon a time. He finally made his debut tonight for Darlo. 91.106.111.101 ( talk) 00:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
This is sort of continuing from a previous discussion. On the Man-to-man marking and Zonal marking articles I have requested a merge to an article such as Marking (association football) to allow the word "marking" to be used in articles without talking about a specific type of marking and besides there isn't enough to warrant separate articles. For example: " Nirmal Chettri was marking well for the whole game" would link to a disambiguation page at the moment. Spiderone ( talk) 08:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Just wondering if someone could make Scottish Third Division 2009–10 look like the previous season's article, as I'm not that active anymore and I got confused :( Thank you. SummerHoliday 16:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I am surprised to see no article on The Football League records, let alone a section on the main article detailing youngest & oldest players, record attendances, record games etc. Anyone with more knowledge & time than me fancy starting one? Giant Snowman 18:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Juventus F.C. has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 19:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm sure images like this one keep on appearing, and I'm sure we keep on deleting them...is this one any different? If not, anybody want to do the honours for me? Cheers, Giant Snowman 19:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Could someone keep an eye on Christian Tiboni? Several IP editors seem keen on undoing my edits, which seem perfectly legitimate to me. Cheers, Mattythewhite ( talk) 19:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
The last few red links located here on one of our pages have to do with youth football, there are pages for footballers with the same names, but it is unclear if they are the same individuals. If there is anyone here that can help it would be appreciated. EmanWilm ( talk) 22:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Bristol Rovers F.C. has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 01:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Apparently it went to Micky Adams. Any reliable source on this?-- EchetusXe 20:21, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
The match report says that Adams was sent off in the 90th minute, so if Quinn was also sent off that evening, he may well have been first. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 19:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I would refer people to Talk:Brentford F.C.#Notable players, looking for any knowledgeable Brentford supporters to provide the required information and where it has been published. The whole article needs shortening as there is a lot of irrelevent information. AirRaidPatrol 84 ( talk) 13:27, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
How do we define what a brace is in an article? In Sunil Chhetri I linked to Wiktionary but this is still not ideal since readers don't know which definition to look at. Spiderone ( talk) 17:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Can an admin restore Ed Upson and Shane O'Connor (footballer) as per their appearances in the Football League Cup. -- Jimbo [online] 09:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Could somebody take a look at the edit history of Javier Saviola? A new user is making radical changes to the stats in that article, and I have no idea if they're correct or not. Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 20:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
This FAC's gone a bit stagnant, would anyone else be able to take a look, even if it's to point out loads of things that need changing.........? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:03, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
These AfDs are in serious danger of not reaching a consensus:
Spiderone ( talk) 08:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Could anyone with access to allfootballers.com, or something similar, let me know if either the full first name or the playing position is recorded of a P. Edwards, who came on as sub in two Football League Trophy matches for Gillingham in 1984.......? Cheers!!!!! -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:44, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Charlton Athletic F.C. has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 12:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm currently writing an article on the footballer David Hamilton here. The source from the Guardian said that he has two brothers who also played football, but I can't seem to find out who they are. Just wondered if anyone would be able to shed some light on this? Cheers, Big Dom 18:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I have never, ever, EVER seen the template formats used in {{ Club Atlético Lanús squad}}, can someone explain to me why it is as it is please? Cheers, Giant Snowman 20:06, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, {{ Club Atlético Lanús squad}} as it appeared at the start of this discussion was broken, I have now fixed the errors so that the squad list renders properly. I have removed the "as of" date from the navbox from the fs2 template. There are still a few minor problems with the template.
The main one being that in order to differentiate between players on the same team with the same second name/identify Brazilian players, we need to add an optional parameter |navbox display= A. Cole / J. Cole/ Hulk / whatever
The 2 main reasons I made Fs2 is to stop the squad lists & navboxes displaying contradictory information (a constant problem in the non-anglo leagues) and to ease the workload during transfer windows.
Previously we needed to do 5 edits in order to update:
Now 3:
I did announce Fs2 on here some time ago but nobody responded, I'm not around that much anymore but I'll keep my eye on this discussion. If anyone has any ideas/comments please let me know. Regards King of the North East 11:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I have done some work here to explain the functions of the template. Please take a look. Regards King of the North East 13:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Right, this is beginning to sound like a broken record...as anyone who has been following AfDs over the past few months will know, our friends over the Irish Sea believe that every player to play in the League of Ireland is notable, even though it is not a fully-professional league, something that WP:ATHLETE dictates is a must for notability of sportspeople. Therefore can we, as a WikiProject, please come to some kind of sensible agreement that players playing in certain semi-pro but top level leagues are indeed notable enough. What leagues would be exempt from WP:ATHLETE could be determined in two ways:
Obviously, there would be equivalent guidelines for other continents. So, what are people's thoughts, feelings, opinions, grievances etc.? Giant Snowman 14:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Please note that WP:ATH does not 'dictate' that playing in a fully professional league is a 'must' for notability. Therefore people are free to keep articles which don't fall into that category in any case. Whilst I like the idea of having some extra criteria (given the way a lot of people use the ATH guideline) would it not fall foul of ATH. I don't think the 2 points listed (or using WC finals) are a good way to come up with categorisation. How about editors being more reasonable about the Irish and other leagues? Eldumpo ( talk) 11:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
English or Scottish? I can't find any sources either way... Giant Snowman 17:28, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
This doesn't seem to make any sense, you look at Landín's page, it says that Morelia sold him to Cruz Azul and the infobox says that he was loaned to Cruz Azul from Morelia. And now this says that he is with the Houston Dynamo on Loan from Cruz Azul. That makes absolutely no sense at all, so is he actually on loan from Cruz Azul or he loan from Morelia? – Michael ( talk) 19:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
An(y)
anonymous user(s) is (are) deleting info and references provided by registered users in
Valencia CF and
Fairs Cup articles. UEFA not recognize Fairs Cup as
UEFA Cup-Europa League /
UEFA club competition, see:
Fairs Cup: "The UEFA Cup replaced the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup in the 1971/72 season. The list of finals from that competition are listed below, but please note that the Fairs Cup is not considered a UEFA competition, and hence clubs' records in the Fairs Cup are not considered part of their European record. [...]
NOTE: The Inter-Cities Fairs Cup also took place from 1955 to 1971 but not as an official UEFA competition."
The official statistics provided by UEFA are available only in UEFA competitions, see:
"UEFA club competitions: These are the official statistics considered valid for communicating official records in UEFA club competitions defined as the European Champion Clubs' Cup, the UEFA Champions League, the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup, the UEFA Europa League, the UEFA Cup, the UEFA Super Cup (from the 1973 competition), the UEFA Intertoto Cup and the European/South American Cup. Matches in the Inter-Cities’ Fairs Cup and the 1972 Super Cup are included only for information purposes as these competitions were not held under UEFA auspices."
Valencia have won 2 Fairs Cup and 1 UEFA Cup, not 3 Fairs Cup/UEFA Cup. -- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 01:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Cptnono ( talk) 05:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
This table is inserted in a number of player articles and I find it hard to sometimes see which club a player was at in a given season as there are no line markings between the clubs. Is anyone else having the same problem, and can it be fixed? The player I just noticed it for is Nicky Maynard but I have seen it on others previously. Is that table a template? Eldumpo ( talk) 10:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Can this be mentioned on his page yet or do we need a reliable source like BBC first? Spiderone 17:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I happen to stumble across a potentially fake footballer article yesterday. Before attempting to get this deleted (which I don't know how to do by the way), can someone check out any of the statements found in the article? Or even if they guy exists? I tried last night with no success. Thanks in advance. Digirami ( talk) 18:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I removed a PROD from this article as it was saying that the player had never played a professional game, however the infobox says he has played 5 games for Bordeaux. I can't find any sources to back this up, though. Before I delete it, can anyone else produce a source? Black Kite 21:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I've got a couple lower level Spanish leagues on my watchlist, and I noticed yesterday that User:ZZ86 had begun to unilaterally merge leagues without any discussion that I've seen here or on the league pages on my watchlist. I thought I'd see if I had missed some discussion on this. I personally find it confusing and of no real benefit to combine, especially in the formats that he has listed with infoboxes scattered around the page and would prefer they be reverted to separate articles once again. Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol in Ceuta and Melilla and Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol in Extremadura are the examples I had marked, but there may well be more. Thoughts? matt91486 ( talk) 01:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
I've created a stub on Maurice "Joe" Connor, an early 20th century player who played internationally for Ireland, as well as in England for Arsenal, Gillingham and Brentford, amongst others. Any info on this character would be much appreciated. Thanks, Giant Snowman 20:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
{{ Corinthians Memorial - Hall of Fame}} - yay or nay? Giant Snowman 13:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
On a similar note, is it worth keeping {{ Port Vale F.C. Player of the Year}}? – Pee Jay 23:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
"For recent transfers, see List of MLS transfers for the 2009 season has been added to MLS club (not season) articles. It isn't a huge deal either way to me but I have seen some back and forth edits on it and wanted to see what people thought. My only concerns with inclusion is if it doesn't get updated and it could be considered season specific. However, itt also provides info on the current squad which is of course listed. Any thoughts? Cptnono ( talk) 08:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
The season article task force of this project is currently discussing content guidelines for season articles at its talk page.
Up to now, proposals for league season article contents have been collected and are now being discussed. While there seems to be broad consensus on most parts, some items like the technical realization of league and results tables (usage of fb templates vs usage of modified templates including plain markup vs usage of conventional wikitables) or the appearance of goalscorer lists ( German/ Italian list format vs English table format) are still up for discussion. If you want to voice your opinion, be bold and do so on the task force talk page!
Regarding cup, club and national season articles, no discussion has yet been started. Especially the cup and club season articles could use some guidelines, so if you have ideas, propose them on the task force talk page! -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 11:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the fb templates that are used to create league tables (and other types of tables) in some articles. While the idea seems a good one (to standardise league tables and make it easier to create them), the implementation leaves a lot to be desired. I say this with all due respect to the creator(s), as my knowledge of template syntax is extremely limited, but it is more the overall structure than the low-level coding that I have an issue with. Templates are supposed to make things easier, but when you have to create and maintain thousands of templates such as Template:Fb round2 2009-10 UCL PO and Template:Fb team Beaconsfield SYCOB, there is something badly wrong. If we are to use such a template system, then we should get some template experts to properly parameterise it so it isn't so unwieldy. Until then, if I create a league table in an article I am working on, I will be using a wikitable. -- Jameboy ( talk) 11:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know the name of the Argentine Women's Football League? -- Carioca ( talk) 22:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I have noticed that the Chelsea page has had literally hundreds of edits in the last week or so, a very high percentage of which appear to be undoings. Does anyone think this might need some level of protection? I also noticed that the kits in the infobox are a bit too detailed, and may be infringing on copyight by including adidas logs, but I imagine that making a change at the moment wouldn't last too long. Dancarney ( talk) 22:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
The Eva Duarte Cup is a predecessor of the Spanish Supercup, but are not a same tournament like European Cup and Champions League, see RFEF.es. FC Barcelona have won 8 Spanish Supercups (record alongside Real Madrid), not 12.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 22:13, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Just to bring 90.194.217.153 ( talk · contribs) to attention, whose plethora of disruptive edits and rude edit summaries are getting quite annoying. Mattythewhite ( talk) 13:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Howdy fellow project members. I created two templates: {{ Czechoslovak First League top scorers}} and {{ Gambrinus liga top scorers}}. Feel free to kill some red links. - Darwinek ( talk) 15:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
This article makes some pretty out-there claims to professional leagues in football i.e. Ireland, Northern Ireland, Finland are ones that I can see off the top of my head. Does anyone with time & knowledge fancy adding/removing appropiate leagues, and adding reliable sources? I'd do it myself but I'm about to head off to a music festival! Giant Snowman 15:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
The American soccer pyramid article has been moved to United States soccer pyramid, by a user without leaving a comment as to why. Just wanted to get some sort of consensus on this, as American seemed a bit more logical considering there are a number of non-USA clubs from Canada, Puerto Rico and Bermuda. Or is this more of a case like the English football league system where the majority rules as such? -- Jimbo [online] 18:50, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Jones courted controversy in 2004 for an interview for popular sports magazine Sport-BILD. When asked whether there were gay footballers in the Bundesliga, he said "hopefully not."
In March 2007, Jones announced on the official Eintracht bulletin board that he would not extend his contract expiring at the end of the 2006–07 season. This enraged many Eintracht supporters, as Jones cancelled a contract negotiation with chairman Heribert Bruchhagen a few days before because his advisor was on a sudden journey to Brazil. In October 2006, he already had defended himself for turning down a contract offer, underlining he wanted to stay after all the management of the Eagles had done for him during his injuries.
In March 2009, Jones claimed "It doesn't make any fucking difference what the Schalke fans think at the end of the day" in response to jeering by supporters.
What do we need this on the page for? – Michael ( talk) 02:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately I can't find a free image of Andres Escobar but can a non-free image be used instead since he died a long time ago? Surely the heavy restrictions only apply to people who are still alive. I see Ernie Cooksey uses a non-free image since a free alternative is unlikely to ever be found. Spiderone 16:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
User Wajeehj ( talk · contribs) is creating a string of very short articles about footballers in the Spanish second division. Am I right to think that this does not meet WP:ATHLETE? JohnCD ( talk) 09:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Can an admin please re-create the article for David Cornell as he made his debut for Swansea in the League Cup on Tuesday. Link here. Kosack ( talk) 23:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
How would I go about explaining what marking is in the Kakha Kaladze article? Since it isn't noteworthy enough for its own article wouldn't it be ideal to have a list of definitions of all the commonly used football terms like "brace" that also don't have articles? Spiderone ( talk) 12:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I've been WP:BOLD and I've created Marking (association football), an article that is actually the merge of man-to-man marking and zonal marking. -- Angelo ( talk) 23:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
In the 2006 World Cup (for example), did Sven lead England against his native Sweden in group B or in Group B?
Was the card-fest between Portugal and Netherlands in the Second Round, or the second round?
Was it a Quarterfinal, or a quarterfinal, between Germany and Argentina that went to penalties? (There again, it could have been a quarter-final, a Quarter-Final, a Quarter-final, a quarter final, a Quarter final or even a Quarter Final, but please not a quarter-Final or a quarter Final)
Did Zidane get sent off in the Final, or in the final?
Were the Azzurri the Winners, or merely the winners?
I'm fairly sure they were neither Runners Up nor Runners-Up, but were France Runners up, or runners up, and in either case (in two senses of the word) do they get a hyphen?
Did the hosts beat Portugal to get third place, Third place, or Third Place?
Thoughts, and if possible references to MoS, policies or previous consensus, please? Kevin McE ( talk) 11:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Can I remind everyone that the posting of live scores to articles is contrary to Wikipedia policy, since Wikipedia is not a news service. Even if you don't do it yourself, I implore you all to revert any additions of live scores to articles, particularly if the changes are made without reference to any sources. – Pee Jay 21:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
If you're watching/listening to a match, why do you want to spend time updating Wikipedia? -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
If there are no objections, I will change the background color for drawn matches in the results boxes of league season articles from white to a light yellow in order to get a better separation between actual draws and blank cells. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 12:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I have started the article about the incident at Upton Park, under the title 2009 Upton Park riot. I would greatly welcome some help in sourcing background, reaction, match details and team line-ups. 03 md 16:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm surprised that the info keeps getting removed because many reliable sources have commented on it. [5] [6] [7] [8] Surely to ignore something like this would be bias towards Eduardo. Spiderone 12:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
please keep an eye on this, i added a source saying he is set to join derby on loan, people are now using that source to say the move is complete, this is incorrect to can you help me keep the article accurate. Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 17:40, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Within this category, most of the subcats (but not all, but that's a separate issue) are of the form Footown F.C. directors and chairmen, which doesn't match the parent cat. I'd also be pretty certain that many of the sub-cats contain people who never invested in the clubs (I'm pretty sure Brian Moore did not sink any of his money into Gillingham to get a seat on the board in the 1980s), so they are in a parent category to which they don't rightly belong. So should the title of the parent cat be changed......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
When is it ok to have the squad list and uniforms of a team in an article (besides the World Cup, continental finals, and one off important matches)? I was looking at the 2009 Canadian Soccer Championship, and it seems too much have the squad lists and uniforms of the teams in this article. Digirami ( talk) 22:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I noticed a recent addition to his article is sort of a cross over of fan talk from BBC's 606 blog/comments. Should this type of information be considered Wiki material or not? I thought this was very borderline and was thinking of removing it. Some thoughts please. Govvy ( talk) 10:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
With regard to this discussion, a TfD has been set up and could do with some more contributions from WP:FOOTY members. To avoid accusations of canvassing, I am not suggesting that anyone !vote in a particular way, only that you should !vote. – Pee Jay 23:12, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Is it just me that finds edits like this? a bit unneccessary? I think, if something lacks citation, and it's uncontroversial, then all you need to do is ad a {{ cn}} tag. To me, the idea that someone named Giuseppe is of Italian descent seems fairly uncontroversial, and yet scores of German footballers are having their heritage removed from their WP pages. ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 08:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons.
–Jimmy Wales Jimmy Wales (2006-05-16). ""Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information"". WikiEN-l electronic mailing list archive. Retrieved 2006-06-11.
Knowledgeable eyes, especially those of anyone familiar with the Irish football scene, would be welcome on this supected hoax article. Please comment on the article talk page. JohnCD ( talk) 21:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
A user recently added IPA pronunciations for a bunch of English league clubs. However many of them are plain wrong, so I simply removed the most obvious ones. On second thought, it might actually be useful to have the correct IPA pronunciation of these particular names, as they are the ones most likely to be mispronounced. So maybe someone who actually knows IPA could correct what needs to be corrected in this user' list of edits (see my edits for the ones I removed). Bohdan80 ( talk) 11:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Can somebody please have a look at Fenerbahçe S.K., a large serie of IP changes the squadlist just based on roumers. --> Halmstad, Charla to moi 04:06, 30 June 2009 ( UTC)
I have created new pages:
I could do with some help finding and adding information!! :)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBigJagielka ( talk • contribs) 22:48, 8 July 2009
Are the contents of this Category:20th-century male football (soccer) players really neccessary? It looks like overcategorisation again with the sub categories being quadrouple intersections of C20th-male-football player-position. King of the North East 14:30, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Should we trust this list of professional leagues? It's completely unsourced and contains leagues that we know aren't professional such as Vietnam, Bangladesh and Finland. Spiderone 08:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
A quick query about national flags in the squad section of team articles: As I understand it if a player is born in a particular country, has lived in that country his whole life and has not been capped by another nation then his birth nation should be the country indicated on the squad list. I've reverted edits made by ip editor 86.134.95.215 ( talk • contribs • info • WHOIS), who has been changing Jo Kuffour's nationality to Ghanaian on the Bristol Rovers squad list, presumbly because he has trained with the Ghanaian national team, but has not been capped.
Unfortunately the user is unwilling/unable to engage in any discussion about the subject, so I'm just looking for a little bit of reassurance here that I am in the right, or is the consensus that being called up to a national squad is enough to define his nationality? These little colourful rectangles are more trouble than they are worth! :-) — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 13:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the input, I'll go ahead and revert my previous revert! — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 08:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
These afDs don't have enough votes to reach a conclusion:
Spiderone 12:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Could you please restore Joe Cobb (footballer) and Richard Martin (footballer) as they made senior appearances in the Football League Trophy tonight as per [12] and [13]. Cheers, -- Jimbo [online] 20:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Various IP users insist, despite my polite words, to not pipe club names on this article i.e. it should be [[FC Barcelona|Barcelona]] and not [[FC Barcelona]]. Can an admin semi-protect please as it has been going on for days now and is getting annoyinf & boring. Thanks, Giant Snowman 08:34, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
{{ Celta de Vigo squad}} isn't appearing properly on players' article, and neither myself nor Vasco can for the life of us work out why. Can anyone else take a quick look please? Cheers, Giant Snowman 09:34, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
The standard naming convention for player categories is "Wikipedia F.C. players" - Category:Arsenal F.C. players Category:AS Monaco FC players, Category:Juventus F.C. players etc. But take a look at Category:Footballers in Spain by club - is there any the player categories for Spanish clubs are "footballers" as opposed to "players"? Giant Snowman 15:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I discussed this a bit earlier up on the page (Combining Lower Level Leagues heading), but User:ZZ86 has been combining lower-level Spanish leagues in awkward ways. I was hoping that an admin could roll back the combined articles into the old ones that already existed. matt91486 ( talk) 06:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
An "H. Beare" played for Blackpool between 1920 and 1926, according to my club-history book, making 169 league appearances and scoring 112 goals. Thing is, he isn't listed in Michael Joyce's Football League Players' Records 1888 to 1939 book. There's an article on George Beare, who, strangely, isn't included in the former book but is in Joyce's. The only thing I can think of is that the surname of "H." is misspelled and he appears elsewhere in Joyce's book. Any help would be appreciated. - Dudesleeper / Talk 22:19, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
The player you're looking for is Harry Bedford (169 matches 112 goals). His name is missing on page 377 of the Complete Record of Blackpool book, and his stats were added to H. Beare. H. Beare is G. Beare (typing error G is next to H) Cattivi ( talk) 17:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have Charlie Bicknell's league stats for his spell at Chesterfield? Thanks, Giant Snowman 11:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Moved from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 12:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Why can't I create an article on footballer Denaldin Hamzagic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vjecnobordo ( talk • contribs) 19:19, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand why Dado Hamzagic can't get an article, but players like Irfan Lusnickic who hasn't even signed a pro-contract gets one?!? Hamzagic has played a major role during the qualification process in Uefa Europa League. I have even watched the game against Helsingborg live in the stadium, and he was the one who made the last penalty, which lead FK Sarajevo to the next round...-- Vjecnobordo ( talk) 03:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Hull City A.F.C. has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 15:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi there teammates,
i would like to pose a question that's been puzzling me for the last months: are there any guidelines on how club names (its wikilinks that is) should be presented? I have seen (some i should say WITNESS) various edit wars going on about this and, since i do not wish to be part (at least intentionally) of another, i have this doubt...
My approach is, especially for large names, the following: i display the club's full name (it's informative and 100% harmless) - for example Figueirense Futebol Clube in storyline, then link hidden in box, only showing FIGUEIRENSE. Some folks go and compress the name also in storyline. For what i have seen, in thousands of player pages edited/visited, there seems to be no pattern, with some even showing clubnames in full in infobox, although i think the latter is merely an "accident".
Can someone tell me if there any proper steps on "conducting" this matters, please? Attentively,
VASCO AMARAL, Portugal - -- NothingButAGoodNothing ( talk) 17:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
If a player played for, say, Scunthorpe & Lindsey United, should he be included in Category:Scunthorpe United F.C. players? Scunthorpe & Lindsey United F.C. redirects to Scunthorpe United F.C., but I thought it best to check. - Dudesleeper / Talk 23:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Stephen O'Halloran is currently being added and removed to the Aston Villa squad list about once a week for quite a while. His contract with Villa ran out in the summer as far as I can work out but that is not official and he has not been officially released by the club. The 2009–10 press release from Villa about squad numbers omitted him ( "Squad Numbers 2009-10". Aston Villa F.C. Retrieved 2009-09-02.) as does the UEFA squad list. ( "Aston Villa FC". UEFA. Retrieved 2009-09-02.) The Aston Villa main squad list though does still list him and that is generally what is used to determine the squad list and squad numbers.( "Squad list". Aston Villa F.C. Retrieved 2009-08-20.)
So, what I am asking is whether he should be in the main Aston Villa F.C.#Current squad list? What do you all think? Woody ( talk) 10:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I have been wondering the best way of showing exactly the seasons in wich a certain player has played in a certain club. With players that have played entire seasons in different clubs I find no questions, but the ones that changed clubs in the winter break, I do have questions. In the players pages I have been starting, I have followed a policy of indicating the SEASONS that a player spended in a certain club, not calendar YEARS. But that makes perhaps some confusion with editors that not edit that way, couse you can find players that have played ;Exemple:
This way, I´m indicating that a player have played the season 2004-2005 in both clubs. What I see in majority of cases is a "random chousing" of to what team to atribute that season, so it would "wrongly" be indicated. Exemple:
In cases players played for half season I usually find only one year written Exemple:
But here you can´t really see what half season that player played in Sunderland, was it in 1999-2000 or 2000-2001 ? So, I have been putting (Ex: if it was in 1999-2000, 1999-(2000), indicating in brackets the part he played of that season).
This question is mainly concerning seasons in central and south european style seasons, that are played from summer to summer. In many American, african or some scandinavian or eastern countries, where seasons start in February or March, and end before the end of the year, this is not a problem. For some players that played many half seasons the infobox looks pretty confusing having many time only one year indicated and sometimes the same year repeated 3 or 4 times. Any thoughts? FkpCascais ( talk) 21:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Exemple:(completely random clubs) an player that has played:
The usual way of doing it it would look like this in the infobox:
This way you miss the half season that a player played in Espanyol(between January 1995 until summer 1995, that belongs to the season 1994-95), and the half season in Chelsea (between summer 1999 until January 2000), and the time spend in Sunderland wan´t bee defined by season. By my way it would look like:
This way, I´m indicating that the player has played the season 1994-1995 in both Osasuna and Espanyol (like he really did), without having to choose to what club should I give him that season, and, I´m not missing the half season of 1999-2000 that he played in Chelsea. This is not easy to explain, but is quite simple and more accurate. Thanx. FkpCascais ( talk) 17:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
This way missing the half season in Osasuna (from summer 1994 until January 1995), and giving the impression he played the entire season 1994-95 in Espanyol, or
this way missing the half season in Espanyol (from January 1995 until summer 1995), giving the impression he played the entire season 1994-95 in Osasuna. By my way:
I´m, I think, more close to the thru, because I´m indicating that the player played in Osasuna in the seasons: 92-93, 93-94 and 94-95 (even if it was half, only until winter break), but it is thru; and in Espanyol in the seasons 94-95 (also half, but he did play) 95-96 and 96-97. But I have been corrected in some cases, people put some year forward or back, so there would be continuation in the years. This gets more important when a player played, exemple, from summer 1995 until December 1996 (playing one and a half seasons) and putting the total league caps and goals in only 1995-1996 period would look like he played very much in only one season, and by my way it should be put 1995-1997, since he played the first half of the 96-97 season. I´m sorry bothering everyone so much with this. FkpCascais ( talk) 19:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I was hoping to get a discussion started on the proper article location and piped names of certain Mexican clubs, namely those affiliated with universities in Mexico. The three clubs I had in mind, were Pumas (associated with Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México or UNAM), Tecos (associated with Universidad Autónoma de Guadalajara or UAG), and Tigres (associated with Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo León or UANL). There doesn't seem to be a consistent way to refer to these clubs, either on WP or in the real world, but I was hoping that we could get a better guideline that could be used in all Mexican league articles, as well as CONCACAF articles, with all of your help.
Pumas is currently at Club Universidad Nacional, Tecos is currently at Estudiantes Tecos, and Tigres is currently at C.D. Universitario de Nuevo León. UNAM is currently at National Autonomous University of Mexico, UAG is currently at Universidad Autónoma de Guadalajara, and UANL is currently at Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo León.
We could either move those articles to consistent positions, or move them to basically what we decide on for a piped link name, but that brings up a different issue.
The question I would like to have answered is which format is preferred for piped names, as I think we should try to use a similar format for all three teams:
1. Pumas, Tecos, and Tigres
2. UNAM, UAG, and UANL
3. U.N.A.M., U.A.G., and U.A.N.L.
4. Pumas UNAM, Tecos UAG, and Tigres UANL
5. Pumas U.N.A.M., Tecos U.A.G., and Tigres U.A.N.L.
6. UNAM Pumas, UAG Tecos, and UANL Tigres
7. U.N.A.M. Pumas, U.A.G. Tecos, and U.A.N.L. Tigres
That seems to cover all of the options, but any further suggestions, like leaving the articles more or less where they currently are, are also a possibility. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance if you even made it this far. – Football. Fútbol. Soccer 03:40, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Options 4 and 6 seem like the best options considering that these nicknames are heavily used, and to avoid confusion the university initials are added. On a side note, I noticed a brief mention of the C.A. Boca Juniors naming. I was wondering why they haven't done that to the River Plate article, because typing Club Atlético River Plate is annoying, especially the time wasted getting the é. C.A. River Plate would be so much easier to handle.-- MicroX ( talk) 04:04, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, could someone give me an opinion whether this bit of information is relevant for the Filippo Inzaghi article? As I said here I think that this completely irrelevant for an encyclopedia, but I'm afraid Stt13 and I can't agree on this. So I would like to know what others think. -- Jaellee ( talk) 21:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello football fans! I'm trying to resolve the problem with current squad of Vyzas F.C. I'm not sure with notability of those third league players, in my opinion they surely fails WP:PEOPLE. On the other hand, Greek Gamma Ethniki is a professional league. Can you help me, please? This discussion could be helpful. Thanks. -- Vejvančický ( talk) 10:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
If anyone has an image of David Wetherall lying around somewhere then can they please upload it? Also does anyone know anything about his personal life? He's old enough to have one. Spiderone 12:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I've nominated this article for a DYK entry, but I'm not 100% sure about the hook. Could people please make any comments they may have at Template talk:Did you know#Albert Pape? – Pee Jay 21:46, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
As a youth player, Magennis played as a goalkeeper but changed his position prior to turning professional. A user has recently continued to add goalkeeper to the positions list in his infobox despite messages on the talk pages of both the article and the user. I was following the examples of articles such as Petr Cech and Tom Heaton who also played in different positions before turning professional.
Could someone please tell me if I am correct in what I am doing and if so what should I do next to stop it being added as the user has ignored any message I have left. Thanks. Kosack ( talk) 23:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
The instructions for the Infobox Football biography 2 say "{{{position}}} — The player's most common position (as a player). If a player is known for playing in multiple roles then the author should elect which is the most significant and explain the point more fully within the article." Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 04:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
The article on Stuart McCall says that "He played a total of 763 league games during his career, the 12th highest of all British footballers", which got me to thinking that it could be useful to have an article which lists players (of all nationalities) by number of league apps in England & Scotland. But I can't for the life of me think of a succinct & suitable title - can anyone help? Cheers, Giant Snowman 21:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Right, seeing as the title remains a problem, I have created a sandbox, so please feel free to add to it. For now it only has a couple of players with more than 300 league apps, but if you want to change this (400/500 apps perhaps, to stop it getting super-long) or the format, then please suggest so on the talk page. Cheers, Giant Snowman 14:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Right, if no-one can think of a better title, I'm going to move the sandbox to List of footballers in England and Scotland by number of league appearances; if someone does think of a more apt title after I've moved it into mainspace, then we can always move the page. Cheers, Giant Snowman 10:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
This player disappears in 2001 after leaving Hayes before reappearing playing for Enfield Town during the 2007-08 season. Can anyone fill in the six year gap? Cheers, Giant Snowman 00:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
These two articles - Bucheon SK and Jeju United FC - look to be about the same team that simply underwent a name change. Can an admin or someone look at it, check I'm right, and merge them or something? Cheers, Giant Snowman 12:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
There was a footballer in the 1930s named George Nevin, who was born in Lintz, County Durham, in 1907. Michael Joyce's book "Football League Players' Records 1888 to 1939" also lists a John W Nevin, who was born in Lintz in 1887. Does anyone know if these two might be related. If it helps, the book says that John W Nevin was playing for Gateshead at the time. – Pee Jay 17:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
As you may know, we currently have 400 good article nominations, with a large number of them being in the sports and recreation section. As such, the waiting time for this is especially long, much longer than it should be. As a result of this, I am asking each sports-related WikiProject to review two or three of these nominations. If this is abided by, then the backlog should be cleared quite quickly. Some projects nominate a lot but don't review, or vice-versa, and following this should help to provide a balance and make the waiting time much smaller so that our articles can actually get reviewed! Wizardman 23:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Crispin173 ( talk · contribs · count) has changed the dates of birth of two footballers and made no other edits. I suspect vandalism. But does someone have an appropriate reference source to confirm things one way or the other.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 20:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Things have got more complicated, so I've removed the resolved status. The user has now reinstated the 1st of April as Quinn's birthday. I was going to revert and warn him, but the Blades' official site actually give that as his birthday. Meanwhile, when I searched the FAI's site I found stuff saying he was born on the 4th. I'm tempted to email the club to see if they can confirm that their site is right.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 16:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
SWE-DEW (1-1) of 06/06/2009 and DEN-POR (1-1) of yesterday. But in the page of Kjaer there are 3 matches. What is the third? -- 87.10.166.52 ( talk) 12:27, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
We want to add a 'Rank' column down the left-hand side of List of footballers in England and Scotland by number of league appearances, can anyone tell us how to do automatic numbering? In articles # is used, but it doesn't work in tables. Cheers, Giant Snowman 12:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
The above's article states he was the son of Jimmy Blair (footballer born 1888), while the latter's article claims Doug Blair as his son. There's no mention of the two being siblings. Can someone clear this up? - Dudesleeper / Talk 12:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I've put together an idea I had a while ago over at my sandbox. Since the standings and league tables in each league season article don't link to individual team's seasons I think that it would be benificial to integrate them into the yearly navbox. I think that a lot of individual team season articles are nearly orphans as things currently stand. What does everyone else think about this? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 19:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
So then how should we go about integrating team season articles? Should the redlinks be included? If so, should they only be included down to a certain tier? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 10:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have a preference on whether or not to include on the templates the redlinks or unlinked titles for teams who do not currently have an existing team season article? This or this? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 11:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed a general problem in pages about past Serie A and Serie B seasons: all classification tables have a column for the goal difference. The problem is that GD was unknown in Italy before 1968, because goal average was used instead, under English influence. More, from 1938 to 1942, GA was part of the official regulations, and could decide relegations or promotions: in Serie B 1938-39, SSC Venezia was promoted to Serie A instead of Atalanta BC for a best GA (1.69 against 1.65) even if, nowadays counting, Atalanta had a best GD. Can anyone solve this problem?-- Civitatem ( talk) 15:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
{{#expr: <insert GF> / <insert GA> round 2}}
Do we display them: Yes or no? Someone has gone out and added them in the South American zone, and who knows if he'll do the same to the other regions. Digirami ( talk) 00:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
There is currently an AfD in progress that may possibly end up being relevant to this project. The discussion concerns Sam Loxton with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948, as well as the rest of a series of articles about the players involved with that cricket tour. Obviously, this AfD could have far-reaching consequences regarding articles about players' involvement in sporting events, so further comments would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam Loxton with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948. Thanks. – Pee Jay 17:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Surely, for now, a case of WP:ONEEVENT? A similar case was that of Nathan Porritt, whose article became a redirect until he passed WP:ATHLETE. Anyone any objections to me AfDing it? Giant Snowman 19:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Luke Rooney was loaned out by Gillingham before he'd turned professional. So should his infobox show "Youth career: 2007-2009, Gillingham", then "Senior career: 2009 Lewes (loan), 2009– Gillingham"? It's technically correct but would look ridiculous........... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 21:32, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
There's a line of whitespace after the first and before the last line of seasons at {{ Blackpool F.C. seasons}}, but I can't see why in the edit window. I've looked at it in Firefox, Google Chrome and IE, and the problems appears in each. - Dudesleeper / Talk 22:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
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Is he notable? I assumed he wasn't because he hadn't had a page before but now I'm not sure. Spiderone 12:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Can an admin unsalt Kyle Collins please; he has earned international caps for St Kitts & Nevis, as per [15]. Thanks, Giant Snowman 12:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Something about Patrick Kisnorbo's family history or possible family history. [16] Spiderone 14:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
There are five footballers called Arthur Brown, and all of the articles are located at Arthur Middlename Brown. Is that for a reason, or am I OK to move to Arthur Brown (footballer born xxxx) Giant Snowman 15:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I believe that I created some of these articles - at the time (2007) I was a bit confused as to who was who, and followed the lead of our old mate Woody on Albert Arthur Brown but I agree they should all be moved to Arthur Brown (footballer born xxxx). -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 15:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone happen to know whether the Algerian top division is fully professional in the WP:ATHLETE sense? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 08:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, can someone take a look at Talk:Northern Ireland national football team#First Game, etc. In summary, the Irish Football Association used to organize an all-Ireland team (designated as EIR by FIFA) but now organize the Northern Ireland national football team (designated as NIR by FIFA). The page displays "biggest win", "biggest loss", etc, but as using stats from the all-Ireland team - is this correct? Should those stats be attributed to the Northern Ireland national football team even though there was no such thing as the NI national team then? Thank you. -- HighKing ( talk) 12:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys, listen, I´m not sure if this player, Hosny Abd Rabo is the same as this Mohamed Abd Rabo and this Hosny Abd Rabo El Motaleb Ibrahim ? I know two Egiptians played in Slovenia in Olimpija Ljubljana in 2004-05 ( Mohamed Abd Rabo and Riad Aliriza). I just want to know if the wiki page Abd Rabo is the one that played in Slovenia? FkpCascais ( talk) 15:36, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
What teams merit having stand-alone articles on their reserve teams? I can understand Chelsea F.C. Reserves and Youth Team and Arsenal F.C. Reserves, but Crystal Palace F.C. Reserves.........? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 20:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
I'd support merging into the articles of the parent clubs. There's little to say about these teams that can't be covered in a couple of tightly-written short paragraphs in the main articles, especially considering that these teams consist mainly of players who normally aren't notable for individual articles - and those who are notable are normally injured/unfit/... visitors from the first team. Furthermore, just because something is notable doesn't mean it needs its own article - indeed, being notable just means is that it meets the minimum threshold for inclusion anywhere in en.wp Knepflerle ( talk) 10:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
please could you restore the deleted Semih Aydilek, player has now played for Kayserispor in the Turkish Super League. [18] thanks, Struway2 ( talk) 10:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
In Lomana LuaLua I have used his official site as a source on a couple of occasions, is this OK for GA? I realise that for FA this probably wouldn't be acceptable but I'm sure the site is official and that the person writing the blog and stuff is definitely LuaLua and not some impostor. Spiderone 11:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I am part-way through creating a List of North American Soccer League players in my sandbox. As you can see, I've only worked through the Cs and already the list is quite big. Should I keep it as one long list, or split it into individual letters - List of North American Soccer League players - A, List of North American Soccer League players - B etc.? Giant Snowman 14:32, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
These AfDs only have one vote, it is also worth noting that one has been expanded since its deletion nomination:
Spiderone 15:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
According to the Thai national team article, former national captain Vithoon Kijmongkolsak scored 32 goals for the team between 1985 and 1995. But I can't find a SINGLE reliable source for him on Google - everything I can find is from Wikipedia mirror sites! So is this guy a hoax, or am I just being a bit special? Giant Snowman 21:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Everyone knows that we have a lot of unassessed articles, but even a lot of the various 2010 World Cup qualification articles, as well as articles from previous World Cups, are unassessed. Would these all fall under "high" importance? I was thinking that they would, but I wasn't sure if some of the articles that focus on a specific round within a single confederation's qualification cycle might be of "mid" importance. Thoughts? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 11:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I've updated New West Ham Stadium if anyone wants to take a look. 82.3.86.1 ( talk) 12:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
We're having a little discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Season article task force#Notability to determine which teams may have a team season article. It's a pretty basic criteria so far, but more input would be welcome. Thanks. JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 14:16, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Good evening, gentlemen! 30+ articles concerning Latvian League have been nominated for deletion; if you are interested, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rihards Gorkšs for discussion. Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi ( talk) 17:43, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
The Rotherham official site claims that David Haggerty "made his league debut for the club when he came on as substitute for the final game of the 2007/08 season against Barnet." However, he is not listed in the line-up by Soccerbase - so which source is correct? Giant Snowman 13:14, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Has to be Haggerty. Soccerbase, BBC etc have Craig Fleming coming on, however Fleming left Rotherham for Kings Lynn at the start of 2007/08 season and retired through injury in March 2008. Clearly a slip of the finger by the first "reliable source" which was then copied by all the rest. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 13:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Note that the BBC or Soccerbase or a multitude of supposedly secondary reputable sources like Sky, all use PA originally for their data. If PA get it wrong, then all the supposed reputable sources get it wrong when it comes to the likes of lower league football. If you want to check on debuts and stats, then I'd suggest using either official sites, local newspapers who know the score, or best still the old Rothmans, now Sky Sports (ironically) Football Yearbooks edited by Rollin. 91.106.113.27 ( talk) 22:34, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
There are at least two footballers called Peter Daniel - one born 1946 and one born 1955. I think editors, in their confusion, have merged the careers of these two players on the existing article (1955), as they both played in the Football League AND the NASL. Career summaries are here - Neil Brown (1946), Neil Brown (1955), NASL (1946), NASL (presumably 1955). Can someone please double check to see if I'm right or not? Cheers, Giant Snowman 13:16, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
The career of Peter W. (1955) should read: Hull City (74-78 as a senior pro), Wolves (May 78-May 84), Minnesota Kicks (Summer 84), Sunderland (August 84-Nov 85), Lincoln (Nov 85-May 87), Burnley (July 87-89). He never played for Vancouver - this is his correct NASL stats page: http://www.nasljerseys.com/Players/D/Daniel.Peter2.htm Wolvesweb ( talk) 19:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
A couple of discussions at the top of the page are over two months old, but haven't been archived by MiszaBot II ( talk · contribs), who hasn't stopped operating...any reason for this? Giant Snowman 15:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Would somebody please be able to add the black stripes on the goalkeeper's shirt as in this image, to this kit, as i am useless :) thanks. Eddie6705 ( talk) 20:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I have added Guardian's Stats Centre as a reference to thousands of articles (and I know I'm not the only person who has) mostly because it is reliable (at least for recent seasons) and in English. For several countries (such as Greece or Japan), I'm not good enough with the local languages to find non-English alternatives. Here's the problem, the url has changed recently (only slightly). The opening part of the address http://touchline.onthespot.co.uk/ has moved to http://guardian.touch-line.com/, but everything after that is the same. I could try to change them all manually (ugh), but I was hoping someone knows how to order a bot or create a bot that could do it automatically. I would appreciate any help. Jogurney ( talk) 02:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
User:WCR4 6 has created {{ EuropaLeagueFootballbox}} for use in 2009–10 UEFA Europa League group stage. The only difference between this template and {{ footballbox}} is the addition of spaces for the assistant referees, fourth official and goal-line officials. Personally, I think this is overkill, but I wanted to see what other people thought before I nominated the template for deletion. – Pee Jay 08:07, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have a date of birth of Northern Irish player Martin Donnelly, who played in the NASL in the 1970s and 1980s? I need to disambiguate him from Martin Donnelly (footballer born 1988). Giant Snowman 09:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
ignoring general notability criteria please... If a player has never played in a fully-pro league as understood by WP:ATHLETE, but has played in European competition, what round of the Champions League, UEFA Cup as was, or Europa League structure would he have to appear in to be considered notable per WP:ATHLETE? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 15:01, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
This article needs renaming, but to what? Swiss First Division 1903–04? Giant Snowman 21:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Manchester City F.C. for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 21:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to be pushy, but could someone give 2009 UEFA Champions League Final a copyedit for its peer review ( see here)? I'm hoping to be able to set a benchmark for articles about football matches with this one, so a review with an ultimate goal of WP:FAC would be really helpful. Thanks. – Pee Jay 23:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I have just created some very basic stubs on a number of English football managers who were (mainly) active in the Netherlands in the early part of the 20th century. Any information on any of their playing/coaching careers would be much appreciated:
AFC Ajax:
Dutch national side:
Thanks in advance, as ever. Giant Snowman 15:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Just out of interest, what with Ajax being an amateur team in the 1920s, because they didn't have professional football in the Netherlands for another 30 years, what makes the likes of Harold Rose notable? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 18:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I assume you're aware of Jack Reynolds (footballer born 1881). Kevin McE ( talk) 19:37, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Although Dutch Football was strictly amateur before 1954, clubs were allowed to employ professional trainers. Trainer is a much better word for their job than manager. Training players was all they did in those days. Not many people in the Netherlands spoke English... Line-ups were made by a committee. Transfers didn't exist etc.. Jack Reynolds only played for Watford in the 1907-08 season (27 SL matches 4 goals) Ajax didn't win the Eredivisie when Reynolds was their trainer. The Eredivisie started in 1956. Should be National Champion or something similar. Harold Bernard (Harry) Rose is the former Reading/ Bristol Rovers player. Born May 1900 in Reading died May 1990 in Reading 1920-21 Reading 5 leaguematches went to Bristol Rovers in May 1921 ,14 league matches until 1924 when he went to Mid Rhondda United Cattivi ( talk) 02:32, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
[25] also: [26] Can't find a Jim Waites in the newspapers of that time, only Harry . The early national coaches were often clubcoaches at the same time, Cattivi ( talk) 03:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
[29] Cattivi ( talk) 11:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I know, The Brinvest Voetbaljaarboek says Jim as well. The problem is that I can't find primary sources confirming this, this means his name is Harry in my own archive until proven otherwise. I know wikipedia prefers secondary sources. Cattivi ( talk) 14:27, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
He's not in the book or on the site. He's not the Walsall goalkeeper Cattivi ( talk) 14:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Here, we need to wipe out meaningless stubs opinions on articles that may fail
WP:ATH:
Spiderone 08:59, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Are most of those just fan sites? They look like they are too me, wouldn't mind a double check. Govvy ( talk) 10:50, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
When they are in other languages how do you add that in the ref template? Is there a field option to state the language the reference is in? Govvy ( talk) 11:20, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
|language=
, for example |language=German
. This will display a "(in German)" after the linked url in the reference.
Rambo's Revenge
(talk) 11:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Just to let you know that apparently Tevez's transfer value was today revealed as £47m (ridiculous!). I've update everywhere I can think of and another editor updated Transfer (football). If there is anywhere else people can think that needs doing please do so or let me know. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 12:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
It would appear from the article Nigerian Premier League, and from that league's Rules and Regulations, specifically and explicitly Section 1.4 Eligibility which starts off (1) All Professional Football clubs in Nigeria shall be eligible to play in the League for which they qualify, that this is a fully-professional league within the meaning of WP:ATHLETE. Also backed up by the BBC article cited in the article which mentions a minimum wage. Would people say that's enough proof to add it to the list of pro leagues? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 13:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
It appears that Abdul Qayyum Ahmad ( talk · contribs) has copied the article Treviso F.B.C. 1993, pasted the content in the new article A.S.D. Treviso 2009 and turned the former into a redirect to the latter. As a result, the full editing history is not visible, which doesn't comply with GFDL, IIRC. I have raised the issue on WP:AN/I. I would welcome comments and suggestions as to what to do next. 94.212.31.237 ( talk) 23:26, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I have been through the article and cleaned it up, I am not sure know, would you call it a B or C class rating?? Govvy ( talk) 11:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed this AfD, and simultaneously I found a new article - Fabio Borini. It could be interesting for your project. -- Vejvančický ( talk) 13:56, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering how many peeps are interested in a Spurs task force. If there are enough fans to bother having a sub-page to help organise all the pages/articles? Govvy ( talk) 14:57, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Following the discussions in here, I decided to raise the renaming issues for these three articles:
Should they be renamed into Australia v American Samoa (2001), similar to England v Scotland (1870) or AS Adema v SO l'Emyrne, similar to Bayern Munich v Norwich City ? Or are there any other naming suggestions? — Martin tamb ( talk) 18:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Personally, where the score is part of the title, I'd prefer the "Arbroath 36 Bon Accord 0" format, which incidentally is what that article was called before it was moved to the scoreline-in-the-middle version, apparently without discussion. Score-in-the-middle is how it'd appear in a formatted table of football results, but it reads more naturally with the scores separated. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 11:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Martin tamb pointed me here. As someone who doesn't really follow soccer, I'm a) not likely to read many articles under this project's purview, but b) a tad confused by a title like Australia 31–0 American Samoa. Now, when I think about it for a second it's easy to understand what it means, and I think anyone with much of a basis of knowledge in sports can easily figure it out, too. There comes a point when you have to figure out how far to bend for accessibility to people who probably aren't going to read your articles anyway - do you want to make the title idiotproof for people who don't know much of anything at all about sports? They're even less likely to read your articles than I am. I don't really offer any sort of solution, just a few thoughts, but as I mentioned at the article's talk page, 1916 Cumberland vs. Georgia Tech football game is another article about a sports game notable for its final score (though would Australia/American Samoa be considered notable on its own if not for its score?) does not have a scoreboard title. I dislike parenthetical qualifiers as much as the next editor, but I think a title like the 1916 college football game is just unwieldy enough to be accessible to absolutely everyone. Could it have been at Georgia Tech 222, Cumberland 0? Probably. And probably anyone with a basis in sports, even if they're not used to seeing final scores written that way, could understand the title. But I think that article's current title is better. Alex finds herself awake at night ( Talk · What keeps her up) 06:49, 15 September 2009 (UTC)