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On the BBC website there is a fascinating article about Barcelona's first coach, Miles Coverdale Stocks Barron. See [ https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64403587] Wikipedia has an article about John Barrow (footballer) who is presumably the same person. The article will need moving to a new title and substantially re-writing. Anybody fancy this. Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 10:17, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Why the double standards? Raheem Sterling is an English footballer but Riyad Mahrez is "a professional footballer". We have a certain user who will quickly revert any changes to Mahrez to say he's Algerian but does nothing when it comes to Sterling. It's either one or the other, but we can't have these double standards. TonyStarks ( talk) 17:22, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Every single article, website and mention of Mahrez say he’s Algerian. It’s only somehow ambiguous for you. It’s not complicated, he’s considered Algerian by every single source. Where is the ambiguity? I’d like to revisit the debate and see what the actual con census on the matter is. TonyStarks ( talk) 23:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Haaland was born English. Muur ( talk) 09:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Project-independent quality assessments. This proposes support for quality assessment at the article level, recorded in {{ WikiProject banner shell}}, and inherited by the wikiproject banners. However, wikiprojects that prefer to use custom approaches to quality assessment can continue to do so. Aymatth2 ( talk) 20:25, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
I can't remember how to properly request comments on a page move but click on the title and it'll take you to the discussion! Thanks for your input all. Felixsv7 ( talk) 09:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon. As done for Christian Atsu yesterday, I would propose to protect momentarily the pages of his current club, Hatayspor, and his team-mates, as well: it seems like the team has been deeply involved in the 2023 Turkey–Syria earthquake, with several staff members (including Atsu himself, until a few hours ago) being reportedly left under the rubble and other ones being reportedly led to safety.
Please, let me know what would be the best decision in this case.
Oltrepier ( talk) 12:48, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello. While I totally agree with the point on WP:KARLSRUHER on how the club has to be Karlsruher SC and not Karlsruhe due to demonym/city name problems, I think that the "consensus" should not apply to clubs where there is not a demonym part of the club name. Such an example is TSG 1899 Hoffenheim. In English, the WP:COMMONNAME is undeniably Hoffenheim; yet, we blindly write "1899 Hoffenheim" in infoboxes. I think we need to change that for these specific ones and we need to stop justifying it by KARLSRUHER, because that does not apply and is overruled by COMMONNAME. Other examples may include 1. FC Köln which should be referred to as FC Köln in infoboxes because "1." is not common in English, you could even make a case for a club like Schalke 04 to be just Schalke, and more. I'll be honest it's mostly this Hoffenheim one that bothers me but I just think we are abusing the definition of KARLSRUHER to legitimize "1899" when it's not part of the COMMONNAME. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 07:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
The only time the long name should be used is when another similarly named club is mentioned nearby.That does not make sense at all. It is highly relevant in e.g. infoboxes to specify "VfB Stuttgart" rather than just "Stuttgart", even if the player hasn't played for Stuttgarter Kickers. – Elisson • T • C • 15:22, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
This has already been discussed and a consensus was reached on displaying 268 goals, but yet there are still disruptive edits ( [1], [2]), despite me giving them the link of the previous discussion. Jimmy Greaves has scored 268 goals, Spurs website neglects 2 charity shield goals. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 18:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
https://mobile.twitter.com/SpursOfficial/status/1622301725309779968
Then take that up with Tottenham. Their website lists Kane as their all time top scorer. STOP vandalising. RossButsy ( talk) 19:00, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12804153/goal-h-kane-15-tottenham-1-0-manchester-city https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64442953 https://talksport.com/football/1323853/harry-kane-ahead-jimmy-greaves-tottenham-goals-premier-league-alan-shearer-wayne-rooney/amp/ https://www.football365.com/news/tottenham-manchester-city-kane-breaks-goal-record RossButsy ( talk) 19:09, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
And there are also many many reliable sources to support that Kane is the top scorer. RossButsy ( talk) 23:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
Club | Season | League | FA Cup | Football League Cup | Other | Total | ||||||
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Division | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | ||
Tottenham Hotspur | 1961–62 | First Division | 22 | 21 | 7 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 31 | 30 |
1962–63 | First Division | 41 | 37 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7 [a] | 7 | 49 | 44 | |
1963–64 | First Division | 41 | 35 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 [b] | 1 | 45 | 36 | |
1964–65 | First Division | 41 | 29 | 4 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 45 | 35 | |
1965–66 | First Division | 29 | 15 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 31 | 16 | |
1966–67 | First Division | 38 | 25 | 8 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 47 | 31 | |
1967–68 | First Division | 39 | 23 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 5 [c] | 3 | 48 | 29 | |
1968–69 | First Division | 42 | 27 | 4 | 4 | 6 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 52 | 36 | |
1969–70 | First Division | 28 | 8 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 33 | 11 | |
Total | 321 | 220 | 36 | 32 | 8 | 5 | 16 | 11 | 381 | 268 |
Tottenham may say Kane is all-time top scorer, but I don't he still needs two more goals. Wikipedia shouldn't be fooled by the primary source here. Govvy ( talk) 09:45, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
@ PeeJay: So by your logic BBC Sky sports and the guardian aren’t reliable sources anymore. Yeah don’t think so. RossButsy ( talk) 15:52, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Charity Shield goals are usually counted towards a player's professional total- I think that you have the key there. Players in Charity Shield matches were not paid to play in that match - the money that they would have received for any other match appearance instead went to charity. Hence they took part on an amateur basis, so any goals scored would not count towards the player's professional stats. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 08:03, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Players in Charity Shield matches were not paid to play in that match - the money that they would have received for any other match appearance instead went to charity- no offence, but that sounds like a bit of a stretch. Even in the 1960s, top-flight players weren't played on a match-by-match basis, they got a salary, so the notion of "the money that they would have received for any other match appearance" doesn't really exist...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:58, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Mwiqdoh: And all the sources listed above also have articles about Kane being the top scorer. You’ve edit warred with three users on the article so you saying I’m being disruptive is very very rich my friend. RossButsy ( talk) 16:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
The TalkSport source linked above confirms the discrepancy - the 2 Charity Shield goals are not considered by Tottenham to be competitive and so are not counted. Reliable sources are reflecting that by saying Kane has 267 to Greaves' 266 - what is the issue here? Giant Snowman 18:19, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Kane is merely two shy of hitting his second century of Premier League goals and only one away from matching Jimmy Greaves' club record of 266 goals.and later goes on to mention the 2 goal discrepancy thus
However, Greaves' total excludes two goals scored in the 1962 Charity Shield, which would extend his tally to 268. No-one seems to be disputing that there is conflict, but no-one seems to be prepared to compromise on how to mention it. Spike 'em ( talk) 20:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Galway W.F.C.#Requested move 27 December 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. echidnaLives - talk - edits 03:34, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Soon after Category:Northern Ireland international footballers was created, a note was added saying "Players in this category should also be included in Category:Northern Irish association footballers", which is consistent with other national teams and nationalities, The "Northern Irish footballers" cat was subsequently moved to Category:Association footballers from Northern Ireland, and the note on the Northern Ireland cat was also changed. The problem with this is that many Northern Ireland players are clearly not "from" Northern Ireland. I have removed the "association footballers from NI" cat from some players, but I want to check whether others agree with my interpretation before going further. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 13:51, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm wondering if any of you can figure out what to do about two new accounts fighting it out on a Featured Article-- User:Ahmetger and User:Sawo298 are having a great time fighting without explaining or seeking the talk page. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 19:57, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
In User_talk:Sir_Sputnik#'Transfermarkt_Not_Reliable', Sir_Sputnik said Transfermarkt is not reliable because, "it a self-published source. This has cause problems in the past with incorrect information that likely originated on Wikipedia making its way onto Transfermarkt. Obviously this leads to serious circular reporting concerns."
How reliable is rsssf and transfermarkt in the big picture? I am looking for a consensus of their reliabilities. -- Ktsquare (talk) 00:04, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
It appears S.A. Julio adds some random spaces a few moments before a match ends ( [4] [5]), so that if a user posts the match result before he does, it will result in an edit conflict. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 21:13, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Not sure why in just three cases that I have noticed the word inactive in opening sentences of players who are currently free agents - Gylfi Sigurðsson, Hal Robson-Kanu and Adam Johnson (footballer). At this moment I say there are plenty of other inactive footballers at this moment including Connor Wickham who I see is a current free agent. Can't think of a reason that three pages have the word inactive included whereas the rest, who are still footballers without a club, don't. Strange one... Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 09:36, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Do we really need a club-specific taskforce? Fair enough for Man Utd/Real Madrid, but not for every team... Giant Snowman 21:39, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone! Does anyone know if the player has really joined Selangor FC?
I noticed that bit of information while cleaning up the page, so I tried to find some proper sources I could cite: however, neither portals like Globo Esporte, nor the club's official website have seemingly reported anything about this transfer...
Oltrepier ( talk) 11:24, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi folks. Jules Koundé could use another set of eyes or admin intervention. Robby.is.on ( talk) 20:00, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello everybody!
I just wanted to let you know that I've opened a new discussion on the article's talk page, since I need to know which title is the most suitable in this case.
Any type of advice, especially from people who work frequently on Spanish/South American people that use both surnames publicly, is really welcome and appreciated!
Oltrepier ( talk) 09:27, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Has apparently signed for Cardiff City (?). I've reverted 2 lots of nonsense in the last 5 mins and don't have time to 'stalk' the page. Cheers. Eagleash ( talk) 17:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Does anyone know what has happened to the formatting at the bottom of this page?
I've never seen anything like that before...
Oltrepier ( talk) 15:11, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
No problem. Echetus Xe 18:47, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
I've just noticed in the tables there is a column for goal ratio, is there a point for that? Seems unneeded to me. Govvy ( talk) 11:31, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
James Milner has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 18:21, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
The main article is titled South American Youth Football Championship, some tournament articles are named 2023 South American U-20 Championship, others 2013 South American Youth Football Championship. DatGuy Talk Contribs 11:46, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the linked page immediately above - someone could get into danger for some sort of edit warring and I've noticed this has been recurring for a few days. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 22:33, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
So, here's Uwe Bengs. He played for BSG Turbine Neubrandenburg, however that team became 1. FC Neubrandenburg 04 and he technically never played for 1. FC Neubrandenburg 04. There's no current article for BSG Turbine. There maybe could be someday, but who knows.
Would it be better to categorize him as BSG player (which would require making a new category) or making him a 1. FC Neubrandenburg 04 player in the categories? KatoKungLee ( talk) 17:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Given that Cesena Football Club asserts they have inherited the legacy of the dissolved A.C. Cesena in 2018, I think it is reasonable to merge the two articles. The Italian Wikipedia even affirms that Cesena is the successor to the defunct club. Sakiv ( talk) 04:24, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
keep up the tradition of a club founded in 1940 and which, in the 78 years of its existence, played for 13 seasons in Serie A - the first time in 1973/74 and the most recent in 2014/15 - also qualifying for the Uefa Cup at the end of the 1975/76 season. Their twitter account also states
Cesena FC (re)born in 2018 in continuity with AC Cesena founded in 1940. So it is not a completely new club, they play with with same kit colours, in addition has the same stadium, logo etc. ( [9]). The same thing happened with Parma Calcio 1913, ( [10]).-- Sakiv ( talk) 13:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
You are the one who said From your post, it seems that you do not know what the discussion is about
and you do not understand what I am saying
, not me. They are two separate clubs, and the articles should remain separate.
Spike 'em (
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18:01, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
They're clearly two different teams. Muur ( talk) 23:11, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
There are many club season articles that are not updated since its creation and sections of the matches are just sitting there empty. It makes you wonder what is the point for these articles to exist. I suggest making them redirects to the club page but deleting them is another option. Here are a few examples of out-of-date articles that haven't been updated in many months (if we can agree that these articles shouldn't exist, I can give a full list of all of the articles):
Mwiqdoh ( talk) 09:15, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
someone to comeback in future and update them should they wish.Mwiqdoh ( talk) 10:29, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
I don't see why you should redirect then, someone might come along and update them. Govvy ( talk) 10:59, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
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List of FC Seoul players is entirely unsourced, and I can't find any reliable sources on the internet to support it, suggesting it might be original research. What should be done about it? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 00:01, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
We do not have an image for the St Louis City SC away team uniform. Can somebody add that? Thanks in advance. LuxembourgBoy42 ( talk) 14:52, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
There is confusion about the title of the Egyptian Super Cup, for example, in this official logo it appears 2020-21 for the Super Cup match that was played on 28 October 2022, while the current title refers to 2021-22. The next cup will be held on 5 May 2023, and it will be between Zamalek, the league champion in the 2021-22 season, and the Egyptian Cup winner between Al-Ahly and Pyramids. Additional source. What should we follow? Sakiv ( talk) 20:03, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Defenders do not get the coverage that strikers and forwards get since it is often hard to know how much they contributed to a game. Defenders rarely are in position to score goals, defenders are not given as many oppurtunities to shoot free kicks and corner kicks, and unlike goalkeepers, they do not make saves. There's not many records they can chase since they don't contribute to a lot of stats and there's not a lot of awards they can win because it's so hard to figure out what they actually contributed. This makes proving notability a harder task than with forwards. And in general, I'm not sure the average person can really name other teams defenders the way they could name other people's strikers and such, despite defenders being as important to a game as strikers are.
I think this is something that should be looked into and should be discussed. There's an unintentional bias towards defenders. KatoKungLee ( talk) 17:27, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi! I just nominated 1919 Copa del Rey Final for GA and would appreciate a review :) — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. 14:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Why on earth are we keeping this dispute here, [12], numbers don't lie! Govvy ( talk) 12:56, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
In another week or two or so, this won't even matter. We can just write he is the second leading scorer and there will be no issue (don't even need to write the 266/268 in the opening) RedPatch ( talk) 16:45, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
The English version of Hanna Lundqvist is different to the spelling used on the Swedish and Spanish versions of the Wikipedia article it's Hanna Lundkvist. Which is the correct spelling? Dwanyewest ( talk) 15:00, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
You may be interested in this village pump discussion on draftifiying nearly a thousand Olympians. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 14:48, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
For example, Kareem Mitchum of Saint Kitts and Nevis is up for deletion due to a lack of significant coverage. I and many others didn't even know that country existed nor would I be able to spot it on a map. I don't know if a single player that ever came from there while any soccer fan could list dozens of names of players from European countries. It doesn't mean St. Kitts has never had any good players, it just means there's a general lack of any knowledge. I looked to see how many newspapers Saint Kitts and Nevis has and it's a grand total of 2 newspapers. Maybe there's more, but even if we double that, it's not a lot. Meanwhile, in a country like the US, you would have thousands of newspapers where there would be infinite more chances of coverage.
Additionally, unlike other countries, Saint Kitts and Nevis does not appear to have a heavy internet presence. Newtown United FC, Village Superstars FC and St. Paul's United FC of the top division SKNFA Premier League do not even have websites, just facebook pages, which is unfathomable for MLS teams. There's rules here that discriminate against sources from social media websites, so those wouldn't be allowed to be used and sites like Blogger.com, which is a free platform to publish websites on, are also discriminated against.
This isn't a one off situation either. North Korea has a league, but I don't think anyone here would say anything newsworthy from that country is a reliable source due to the government. The same things could be said about places like Saudi Arabia, China and so forth. And other countries like Montserrat and Grenada would also have a limited internet presence due to the countries being small.
Kareem, for example, played for the top division in his country and played for the national team. What more could someone like Kareem really do to be notable? Nobody knows him and maybe he's not interested in moving overseas to play in other leagues where he might get more coverage like many players get. He can't control what the 2 newspapers choose to write about, and since there's only 2 newspapers, they are going to have limited content anyway (and likely even less that someone outside the country can access for free). His team has no website and if they don't even have a website, it's unlikely that they are going to be publishing a lot of books or magazines that would provide additional information. I would assume St. Kitts has magazines that might talk about soccer, but those things are likely not getting sold outside of St. Kitts, so people like me would never have access to those sources. Finding older magazines and newspapers would be an even harder task especially in countries where they speak a different language.
I think some kind of exception and general common sense ruling needs to be made. KatoKungLee ( talk) 17:27, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
another deleted article to add to the trophy caseor
credit for getting something deleted. As I said, I absolutely want to be wrong about the notability of Fritz, but there is a lack of sources and those that do exist are just passing mentions or sports database entries. The nomination and discussion were in no way personal so I'll remind you again to assume good faith. Hey man im josh ( talk) 19:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
The same things could be said about places like Saudi Arabia, China and so forth.Are you sure? Saudi Arabia and China are one of the biggest leagues in Asia and they get plenty of coverage. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 06:32, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Will Still#Nationality. Giant Snowman 20:00, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
This guy played for a few league clubs, but nothing online for him, don't know if anyone can safe it from an AfD demise! Govvy ( talk) 16:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
I noticed that List of Tranmere Rovers F.C. players exists and lists all players with 100+ appearances for the club, which is fairly standard, but (apparently uniquely) there's also List of Tranmere Rovers F.C. players (1921–1939) and List of post-war Tranmere Rovers F.C. players, which purportedly contain all players from the respective periods, which means that some players appear on one of those lists and also on List of Tranmere Rovers F.C. players. Should we do anything about this unusual set-up or just leave it? As an aside, both the "main" list and the post-war one are TEN YEARS out of date..... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 20:49, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
See Adrián Guľa#Career results. This cannot possibly be a desired level of detail. Wikipedia is not a directory et al. Lists of every individual game is therefore fansite or Wikia material. Agree? 89.11.168.228 ( talk) 08:41, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Not every facet of a celebrity's life, personal details, matches played, or goals scored warrants inclusion in the biography of that personSpike 'em ( talk) 10:42, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
For anyone interested in German soccer, I purchased a copy of Vereinslexikon. If you don't know about it, it's a massive book that has information for over 3,5000 German teams down to Division 3 and 4 teams. It's probably the most sourced book in German soccer and I think it's going to provide a lot of use for this project. I also may be the only person in the English speaking world who actually has it. If anyone needs anything from it, feel free to contact me. I'll add it to the book list. KatoKungLee ( talk) 14:49, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Is 2023 CAF African Schools Football Championship qualification notable? I don't think so but wanted to check back before sending it to AfD. Kante4 ( talk) 13:39, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Kosovare Asllani has received the first Women's Golden Foot, not the Golden Foot Legends award ( [15], [16], [17]). This should be clarified. Besides, Gabriele Gravina has received the Golden Foot Prestige Award in 2021. Dipralb ( talk) 13:41, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello! As I've just reported on the club's article, yesterday PEC Zwolle equalized Ajax's previous record for the largest win in the history of Dutch professional football, which is made of Eredivisie (the top flight) and Eerste Divisie (the second tier).
Do you think this achievement is worth a full article on its own, or is the information I added sufficient to cover this bit of news?
Oltrepier ( talk) 14:55, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi! I've added a number of Spanish sport/general newspapers with football coverage to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Links#Spain. Thought I'd leave a note here in case any one not watching that page would find them useful. — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. 11:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Former Norwich City FC chairman Robert Chase died recently. Expect the Eastern Daily Press will be a good source to flesh out the article once a full obituary is published. I've added a brief note about his death to the article. Mjroots ( talk) 15:24, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Can anyone help me improve this article, please?
I think the player meets WP:GNG, but his page is currently down to just the bare bones...
Oltrepier ( talk) 17:20, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Does anyone think Anastassia Pustovoitova should be redirected into Anastasia Pustovoitova. Dwanyewest ( talk) 02:50, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I wrote https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pablo_Torre_(football)&action=edit&redlink=1. The article was deleted because Pablo Torre had not played a pro game. The same article was then put up a year later /info/en/?search=Pablo_Torre_(footballer) and was not marked for deletion even though nothing had really changed.
What happened here?
Thanks KatoKungLee ( talk) 23:55, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Having a list of every single team that "could qualify" (which at the moment lists 108 teams!) even though only 7 of them will qualify is just a waste of space and time. For the small amount of people that would for some reason want to know every single team that could qualify to the Club World Cup, could check the articles of the competitions. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 06:38, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Has this been discussed in the past? I know I've seen it in some other competitions articles over the years. Personally I'm not sure which side of the issue I come down on, there's pros and cons to it, so I would like to know if this has been debated previously or is there an established guideline to point to? I tried looking for a few key words in the archives index, but the archives of this project are huge. Gecko G ( talk) 20:59, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Given how frequently these get added, I'm surprised those editors in favor haven't come by to make any arguments for it. Instead there's only been arguments against. Gecko G ( talk) 02:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon,
taking Ricardo Quaresma as an example, which of the Romani-related category/categories is/are the main one(s)? We have "Portuguese Romani people", "Romani footballers" and we had "Portuguese people of Romani descent" which i removed (the third seems to be excessive in presence of the first, but could be vice-versa).
I admit i still get a bit confused regarding the subject seen in title. I'll be reverting myself now, until i get some feedback on the subject. Attentively, sorry for any inconvenience. RevampedEditor ( talk) 14:17, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
@ GiantSnowman: Thanks for the input! In that case, which one do you think i/we should remove? -- RevampedEditor ( talk) 21:22, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure they're identical, IMO the first is for people who themselves identify as Romani, and the other is for those who don't, but are sourced as having ancestors of that background etc. But maybe CfD would interpret it differently. Crowsus ( talk) 17:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
I've started a discussion that could use this project's input at the idea lab village pump. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Draft:2023–24 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season needs deleting, 2023–24 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season needs shifting to draft space, I don't know why all these are created so early. Govvy ( talk) 17:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Regarding Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/League season#Results, I have two questions concerning the presentation order of the teams in the results grid.
If these questions have already been answered, please indicate previous discussion, and ideally update the League season#Results section. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 18:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
When it is appended to a standings table and called from within it- please give an example so that I can understand this. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 09:27, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
{{#invoke:sports results|main|...}}
but by {{#invoke:sports table|main|...}}
so that the standings table and results grid sit side by side. Skyerise ( talk · contribs) is going through articles of players born in country X but who played for country Y, and removing the Y-related categories from articles. I have reverted and warned but they are still doing it. Can somebody else please have a word? Giant Snowman 15:46, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Skyerise is back and removing DOBs from numerous footballer articles; can somebody else please step in and try and get through to them? @ Koncorde and Lee Vilenski:? Giant Snowman 19:54, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
I have come across the term "capped" in articles on footballers. When used as a verb in the United States, the term has the slang meaning of being shot. For example, Urban Dictionary offers the following example: "I capped that bitch's ass." See here. When using the term in the sense of appearing in an international match, it would be best to use a wikilink to Cap (sports). Cbl62 ( talk) 13:54, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi all, can somebody keep an eye on this page and maybe even lock it (for the time being)? During the last couple of weeks, a lot of vandalism has taken place (mostly from Galatasaray fans, presumably). To top it all off, a banned user Ahmetger has returned using an IP Address to push his own research, adding Turkish Cup wins in a list of league champions. Eem dik doun in toene ( talk) 17:35, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Is the 2024 edition going to take place? This edit was done by S.A. Julio, implying that the 2024 edition won't take place. If the 2024 edition won't take place, then something should be done about the 2024 FIFA Club World Cup article. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 17:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
current version of the FIFA Club World Cup will be discontinued after the 2023 edition, and the new 332-team cup will start in 2025. That seems to confirm that there isn't a 2024 tournament. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 17:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Hope you are well. Working on Italian/American professional athletes. Need some assistance in regards to the article on Professional Italian/American soccer player Andrea Pregoni. I have created a draft with notable references sites as well used in other professional soccer players articles references. Need some assistance in regard for the next steps. Also for the layout please let me know your feedback.
Rocdre ( talk) 21:21, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
San Marino national football team has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 00:10, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
If a player's date of birth or cap number is unconfirmed, do people prefer that it is listed as blank or with a question mark? I prefer a blank space for DoB and a 0 for cap number, but there is no best-practice listed at the moment. I have been prompted into this question following an edit on the Kenya national football team page. Felixsv7 ( talk) 14:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, loanee Xavier Simons signs a deal with Hull City. Should we change him to new status immediatly or should we continue with him as a loanee until the end of season and then switch for next season? Obviously what an IP has done is wrong removing the loan from stats. Keith D ( talk) 17:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
A player registered on a Standard Loan at a Club may subsequently be transferred to that Club at any time during a Closed Period.. Seeing as the rules permit such a transfer to be made at any time, and there's nothing in the club's report of the move or in the BBC's to suggest it doesn't come into force until the next window opens, I'd assume he is now a permanent Hull City player. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 21:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Mattythewhite removed EFL Cup accomplishments from Wikipedia articles of Wayne Rooney (2009), Gerard Piqué (2006) and Yaya Touré (2018). His main reasoning is that they were not called up for the finals and did not get medals during trophy celebrations. Despite the fact that they gave their contributions in previous matches as their "career statistics" section of the articles indicate that. I think that EFL Cup triumphs should be included in their honours as they were active parts of their teams during given time periods with at least one appearances. I hope you can give us a solution for that argument. NextEditor123 ( talk) 21:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
...have a right to receive the medals...no, they'd have no automatic right to a medal if they didn't play in the final, but they may or may not still receive one regardless.
...and be recognized as active parts of winning teams with one appearance at leastYes!
Several months ago, a Wikipedia article about Champions League winning players was deleted. Can we put names of the winning players on CL records and statistics article or can we somehow re-create the article in Wikipedia? (Same thing with Europa League). NextEditor123 ( talk) 19:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
As per the blatantly rude edit summary here, is it really a problem to state for clarity the country that a league is in, especially in a scenario like this one where you have a player from one country playing in the league of a second, on loan from the league of a third (and neither league actually has the name of the country in its name).....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Please contribute to this discussion if you can. Thanks! Paul Vaurie ( talk) 16:09, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Lionel Messi was not called up for Supercopa de España in 2005. I think that it should be removed from "honours" section of Wikipedia article about him. NextEditor123 ( talk) 19:51, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
I think we now have a much bigger problem here than just an issue over a (minor) trophy. Right now, as it stands, we currently have some Wikipedia editors, using original research: which is to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources, trumping published, reliable sources. A cornerstone of Wikipedia has been breached here: Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. This discussion needs to be taken outside the confines of those who follow the sport as the responses here are tainted with subjective analysis: “he didn’t play”, “wasn’t in the squad”, even further “wasn’t in the A squad”, “wasn’t pictured with a medal”, it’s “just attempts to big-up a player”. These all reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. @ Koncorde: is one the editor from this previous discussion who nails it; the answer is to err on the side of reliable sources even if it doesn't appear right. Messi not being involved in the two legs (which was due to issues with his legal status until he acquired Spanish citizenship, nothing to do with status as a first team member which he was, not that this is relevant) and saying he didn’t win the trophy is reaching your own conclusion ie. original research. We don’t know the criteria for what constitutes the winning of a trophy in Spain. No-one editing on here (I’d like to think) could care less if he won 2, 10 or 254 Copas, the aim is accuracy, and right now we have a Wikipedia article, via subjective analysis not supported by sources, trumping a plethora of published, reliable sources (including from Catalan journalists, Madrid based journalists, the governing body of the sport in Europe, and even Messi physically standing in front of the eight SuperCopas attributed to him). Nampa DC ( talk) 12:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
How can we be " disputing" pure facts? What Tottenham says doesn't change the fact of how many goals he truly scored. We don't need to make a note on his factual stats saying "Oh but Tottenham say that these don't count so they don't". Mwiqdoh ( talk) 04:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Tottenham Hotspur only recognise 379 of his appearences, and do not include the 2 in the 1962 and 1967 Charity Shieldsand
Tottenham Hotspur only recognise 266 of his goals, and do not include the 2 scored in the 1962 Charity Shieldis complete distortion of information. Tottenham do use this information, they include it in their other statistics for him, which is included with the friendly appearances and goals. For some bizarre reason they don't want to add the Charity Shield apps and goals to immediate tally, but they do include them in a total tally. So not only is the information in the efn distortion, it's not using the other column correctly, where as Tottenham include friendlies in other column, wikipedia does not. All stats should be reflective, unfortunate a few people here are continuing to distort the tallies. Govvy ( talk) 10:33, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
What should be the sourcing for such articles? For example List of foreign Premier League players (which as an aside, shouldn't those flags in the headers be removed per MOS:FLAGS?), the only references are a general database which is hard and annoying to verify, a BBC report from 2009 which I doubt covers the whole list, and a source from 2012 which is permanently dead.
Should we have a sourcing for each player (something which shows his nationality and/or joining/playing for the team)? There seems to be a lot of work to do on these kind of articles anyway. List of foreign A-League Men players and List of foreign A-League Women players are quite complete, but same question about sourcing (referenced to general databases).
I'm asking as I'm trying to get List of foreign Liga F players up to level, and noticed that it's not very updated, but also that the sourcing is per player if it's there.
Cheers, -- SuperJew ( talk) 13:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
the only references are a general database which is hard and annoying to verify....- that reference is also dead, so the Premier League one is essentially unsourced...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 14:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
significant coverage of the list topic as well- that would be for notability and the prose sections, yes? Thanks for the links :) -- SuperJew ( talk) 14:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
While we're on the subject I would like to bring up the format used on some of the pages, for example
List of foreign Premier League players, for example: Nabil Bentaleb – Tottenham Hotspur, Newcastle United – 2013–16, 2019–20[b FRA][c FRA U19]
. I would think it would be more appropriate to use Nabil Bentaleb[b FRA][c FRA U19] – Tottenham Hotspur – 2013–16, Newcastle United – 2019–20
as the nationality notes are about the player, not the years he played and I think each timespan should be attached to the relevant club, as how it is makes it hard to understand when the player was at which club, especially when there are many clubs. --
SuperJew (
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15:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
I wanted to share something I noticed today. Maybe it's obvious, maybe it's not. Don't know, just trying to help. If you are looking for sources on various teams or leagues, I would figure out which city/country they are in. I would then go through the wikipedia search function and check out an article about local newspapers/magazines/websites in the area. I would then search for what you are looking for directly on those sites. The sites will often have tags which makes the search easier. You can do "Insert Team Here" from "site:Insert website here" and you will pull up a lot of results that you will not be able to find in general searches. Google and other search engines do not pull up many of those articles, and as many know, it only takes one article to save an article from issues. I would also recommend finding the city/town then finding the word for newspaper in their language and searching it, as that has also helped me. Maybe it seems silly, but for people who aren't familiar with various places, it can be a major help. KatoKungLee ( talk) 16:09, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
For this individual, more famous as a manager, WorldFootball says he played for Fulham from 1932-1946, but he is not listed at ENFA. Any clarification? Giant Snowman 06:53, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Saturday Football International is in dire need of sources, and I'm not finding anything in a Google search that I can actually assess. I'm fairly certain languages are going to be in some sort of Chinese, which I don't particularly trust translations of. Anyone able to help?
(Yes, I know this is ironic given the thread above, but this is an instance where I'm not finding anything in a language I can read or get a comprehensible automated translation for.) — Jéské Couriano (No further replies will be forthcoming.) 05:18, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
This IP edited a lot of articles stating Russia has already joined the AFC. Maybe unroll everything? They have received some invitations for CAFAand SAFF but there is nothing set in stone yet. - Koppapa ( talk) 11:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
This person posted a whole bunch of old South American soccer magazines here - https://issuu.com/futbolsinpelota. Now the website just issued some changes, so it says there's restrictions. However, if you use - https://issuu.pdf-downloader.com/index.php, copy the link, press "download" then "download as PDF" and select "Print as PDF", you can see the whole thing. These magazines could be a great find for vintage South American soccer sourcing. KatoKungLee ( talk) 00:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1146252954
this user doesnt know how departments infobox looks, but reverts his errors constantly 78.2.170.247 ( talk) 13:01, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Is it worth the trouble to make an article about Julia Manning she did represent the England women's team and was chosen for the 1972 Scotland v England women's football match . Are these sources good enough to create an article? Julia Brunton (née Manning) | History of the Women's Football Association (wordpress.com) and The first ‘official’ England Women’s football match - Brighton & Hove Museums (brightonmuseums.org.uk) Dwanyewest ( talk) 13:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
since uefa and fifa suspended russia but theyre still playing friendlies, are fifa/uefa even counting these as official caps for both teams in said matches Muur ( talk) 19:28, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Leo Messi is not an official or full name of the football player. There is no official sources that confirm that this naming is formal. We don't write shortened unofficial names in Wikipedia for other players. Since when this article became an exception? NextEditor123 ( talk) 10:19, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I ask for your attention to [ edition]. Maybe this edition is correct, but if so, shouldn't the other non-members be removed? Or should we kept this like it was? Rpo.castro ( talk) 11:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
User:Pindrice seems to be disregarding UEFA's official regulations for tiebreakers on
Template:UEFA Euro 2024 qualifying group tables, claiming that Rules can be well or wrongly interpreted.
Here is the regulations for the tiebreakers from
UEFA themselves. It clearly states that overall goal difference is used before away goals scored.
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Hi! There is an open GA reassessment at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/San Marino national football team/1 for the national football team of San Marino. Any thoughts or improvement would be appreciated. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Is Footofeminin.fr : le football au féminin considered a reliable webstie to source regarding French women's football? Dwanyewest ( talk) 06:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Regarding Oliver Hobgood#Youth international goals, is every youth international goal a level of detail that Wikipedia should have? Personally, I think not (which is also my opinion on the similar senior international goal statistics). 2A01:799:19A1:C100:60D4:797B:8A62:F4DF ( talk) 06:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Many websites have different numbers for Rasmus Højlund: transfermarkt 191cm, soccerway 185cm, bold.dk 191cm, whoscored 185cm, fbref 192cm. FIFA the game have him at 187cm, even though they are ofc not a source that can be used, but it still shows how unreliable all of it is. His height doesn't even exist on the official website for the Danish football union as well. Seeing him standing beside players who are 185cm, he does seem a little bit taller. Besides players who are over 190cm, he seems maybe a little off from that as well.
Shouldn't it be one of the most easiest facts to state about a pro player? Why is this so hard to figure out? Speun ( talk) 14:28, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I've searched in vain for information on the licensing/"playing privileges" rules or procedures in Germany. Is it national or by region? Where might I find this material?-- Quisqualis ( talk) 19:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
TBH it's really hard to follow what recently happened with all the page moves by @ BilledMammal and comments and edits by @ Sakiv. But one thing is for sure, the main page and the navbox are not matching every edition articles. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 02:49, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
It seems that the English language version of player profiles on NFT no longer exist. The template now links to a 404 error. This affects a large number of articles and over the last week editors have been updating international stats without checking that they are backed up by a source. A solution would be to change the template to link to the German language version of NFT (I don't know how to do this). Stuart1234 ( talk) 15:53, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I've contacted the site but it has been down for a few days - though is likely (hopefully) not a permanent error so there should be no need to change all NFT links to the German site just yet. Felixsv7 ( talk) 16:01, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I was reviewing and fixing this draft, and I think it's generally fine. However, I'm not sure if this player already meets WP:GNG: he would definitely be eligible if he featured for an EFL team, but what about the National League? Is it a sufficient standard, too?
On a side note, Brooks' date of birth is not clear, either: his profile on Notts County's website states that he's born in 2002, whereas Soccerway and Worldfootball.net report 2003 as the correct year...
Thoughts?
Oltrepier ( talk) 08:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
he would definitely be eligible if he featured for an EFL team, but what about the National League- the notion of a player being notable for having played at a particular level was scrapped some time ago. An article now stands or falls based on WP:SPORTBASIC..... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 09:44, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon! I've moved my original message to the article's talk page, as it might be a better place to discuss on the transfer ban situation. Still, any help would be hugely appreciated! Oltrepier ( talk) 12:42, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
Thoughts on recent additions to various footballers based on generic pen profiles in Shoot Magazine from 40 years ago? See here from KatoKungLee. The writing is incredibly poor as just a list of things, spelling mistakes and poor grammar, plus the source is obviously unverifiable barring getting a copy of a magazine described as being published "in the 70's" or 80's in some cases. A bit of information like this is sometimes included in player articles, but this seems a bit of a sledgehammer to insert a solid paragraph of cruft. Also have concern on COPYVIO as suspect these are word for word transcribed. Koncorde ( talk) 20:04, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Every article I used is uploaded here - https://imgur.com/a/D106rnZ. I can't link to something like that though in a source. There's dozens more profiles that I have yet to transcribe. I don't own the magazines unfortunately. Some of the magazines did have the year posted that the magazine is from, and some did not. Since we know the articles are legitimate, I don't think it's a major issue. I'm not sure exactly why a players influences, favorite football moments and so forth wouldn't be relevant information, as that stuff is included in every wikipedia article. By the way @ Koncorde, it's always better to ask people and WP:AGF than to assume things and accuse people of things. KatoKungLee ( talk) 20:12, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
1970's / 1980's? Nothing is being abbreviated and there is no possession. Spike 'em ( talk) 09:56, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure exactly why a players influences, favorite football moments and so forth wouldn't be relevant information, as that stuff is included in every wikipedia articleis quite the statement. No, we should not be including info on someone's "favourite football moment". This isn't a trivia website. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 08:34, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I was wondering if anyone was interested in making articles for the three redlinks at Norwich City F.C. Hall of Fame. John Howes (footballer), Denis Morgan and groundsman Russell Allison. Thanks! MrLinkinPark333 ( talk) 19:22, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
Can database sources (like RSSSF, for example) be used as the link in honour sections of footballer players' Wikipedia articles? Isn't considered as an original research? NextEditor123 ( talk) 09:16, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist.RSSSF is a reliable source and is listed at WP:WPFLINKS as a result. Using RSSSF to verify information, such as a particular trophy that a particular player won, would meet WP:VERIFY and would not create original research. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 16:05, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
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I am asking for some guidance and a discussion on the PRE/INJ status of players on National Teams. I have looked at archives and seen their is consensus to get ride of logos being used, but it never appears there is a consensus on whether or not to do away with PRE/INJ status of players. I just have some thoughts
Thanks for everyone's input! 15:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC) Demt1298 ( talk) 15:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
I've been e-mailed by someone claiming to be Victor Nirennold. They reckon they are applying for jobs and are being discriminated against by prospective employers who apparently see professional athletes as a bunch of thickos. How they would explain reaching the age of 32 without any kind of employment history and why that would be preferable to the truth I don't know... Echetus Xe 14:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Is Michaela Catena or Michela Catena the correct is the correct spelling? On the Italian version of the article it is Michela Catena. So which is the correct spelling? Dwanyewest ( talk) 20:31, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Thought it would be of interest to this wiki project that I created a short article for the new CBS Sports Golazo Network as part of a section of Soccer on CBS Sports. Esolo5002 ( talk) 03:03, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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On the BBC website there is a fascinating article about Barcelona's first coach, Miles Coverdale Stocks Barron. See [ https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64403587] Wikipedia has an article about John Barrow (footballer) who is presumably the same person. The article will need moving to a new title and substantially re-writing. Anybody fancy this. Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 10:17, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Why the double standards? Raheem Sterling is an English footballer but Riyad Mahrez is "a professional footballer". We have a certain user who will quickly revert any changes to Mahrez to say he's Algerian but does nothing when it comes to Sterling. It's either one or the other, but we can't have these double standards. TonyStarks ( talk) 17:22, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Every single article, website and mention of Mahrez say he’s Algerian. It’s only somehow ambiguous for you. It’s not complicated, he’s considered Algerian by every single source. Where is the ambiguity? I’d like to revisit the debate and see what the actual con census on the matter is. TonyStarks ( talk) 23:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Haaland was born English. Muur ( talk) 09:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
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I can't remember how to properly request comments on a page move but click on the title and it'll take you to the discussion! Thanks for your input all. Felixsv7 ( talk) 09:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon. As done for Christian Atsu yesterday, I would propose to protect momentarily the pages of his current club, Hatayspor, and his team-mates, as well: it seems like the team has been deeply involved in the 2023 Turkey–Syria earthquake, with several staff members (including Atsu himself, until a few hours ago) being reportedly left under the rubble and other ones being reportedly led to safety.
Please, let me know what would be the best decision in this case.
Oltrepier ( talk) 12:48, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello. While I totally agree with the point on WP:KARLSRUHER on how the club has to be Karlsruher SC and not Karlsruhe due to demonym/city name problems, I think that the "consensus" should not apply to clubs where there is not a demonym part of the club name. Such an example is TSG 1899 Hoffenheim. In English, the WP:COMMONNAME is undeniably Hoffenheim; yet, we blindly write "1899 Hoffenheim" in infoboxes. I think we need to change that for these specific ones and we need to stop justifying it by KARLSRUHER, because that does not apply and is overruled by COMMONNAME. Other examples may include 1. FC Köln which should be referred to as FC Köln in infoboxes because "1." is not common in English, you could even make a case for a club like Schalke 04 to be just Schalke, and more. I'll be honest it's mostly this Hoffenheim one that bothers me but I just think we are abusing the definition of KARLSRUHER to legitimize "1899" when it's not part of the COMMONNAME. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 07:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
The only time the long name should be used is when another similarly named club is mentioned nearby.That does not make sense at all. It is highly relevant in e.g. infoboxes to specify "VfB Stuttgart" rather than just "Stuttgart", even if the player hasn't played for Stuttgarter Kickers. – Elisson • T • C • 15:22, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
This has already been discussed and a consensus was reached on displaying 268 goals, but yet there are still disruptive edits ( [1], [2]), despite me giving them the link of the previous discussion. Jimmy Greaves has scored 268 goals, Spurs website neglects 2 charity shield goals. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 18:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
https://mobile.twitter.com/SpursOfficial/status/1622301725309779968
Then take that up with Tottenham. Their website lists Kane as their all time top scorer. STOP vandalising. RossButsy ( talk) 19:00, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12804153/goal-h-kane-15-tottenham-1-0-manchester-city https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64442953 https://talksport.com/football/1323853/harry-kane-ahead-jimmy-greaves-tottenham-goals-premier-league-alan-shearer-wayne-rooney/amp/ https://www.football365.com/news/tottenham-manchester-city-kane-breaks-goal-record RossButsy ( talk) 19:09, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
And there are also many many reliable sources to support that Kane is the top scorer. RossButsy ( talk) 23:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
Club | Season | League | FA Cup | Football League Cup | Other | Total | ||||||
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Division | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | ||
Tottenham Hotspur | 1961–62 | First Division | 22 | 21 | 7 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 31 | 30 |
1962–63 | First Division | 41 | 37 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7 [a] | 7 | 49 | 44 | |
1963–64 | First Division | 41 | 35 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 [b] | 1 | 45 | 36 | |
1964–65 | First Division | 41 | 29 | 4 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 45 | 35 | |
1965–66 | First Division | 29 | 15 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 31 | 16 | |
1966–67 | First Division | 38 | 25 | 8 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 47 | 31 | |
1967–68 | First Division | 39 | 23 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 5 [c] | 3 | 48 | 29 | |
1968–69 | First Division | 42 | 27 | 4 | 4 | 6 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 52 | 36 | |
1969–70 | First Division | 28 | 8 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 33 | 11 | |
Total | 321 | 220 | 36 | 32 | 8 | 5 | 16 | 11 | 381 | 268 |
Tottenham may say Kane is all-time top scorer, but I don't he still needs two more goals. Wikipedia shouldn't be fooled by the primary source here. Govvy ( talk) 09:45, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
@ PeeJay: So by your logic BBC Sky sports and the guardian aren’t reliable sources anymore. Yeah don’t think so. RossButsy ( talk) 15:52, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Charity Shield goals are usually counted towards a player's professional total- I think that you have the key there. Players in Charity Shield matches were not paid to play in that match - the money that they would have received for any other match appearance instead went to charity. Hence they took part on an amateur basis, so any goals scored would not count towards the player's professional stats. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 08:03, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Players in Charity Shield matches were not paid to play in that match - the money that they would have received for any other match appearance instead went to charity- no offence, but that sounds like a bit of a stretch. Even in the 1960s, top-flight players weren't played on a match-by-match basis, they got a salary, so the notion of "the money that they would have received for any other match appearance" doesn't really exist...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:58, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Mwiqdoh: And all the sources listed above also have articles about Kane being the top scorer. You’ve edit warred with three users on the article so you saying I’m being disruptive is very very rich my friend. RossButsy ( talk) 16:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
The TalkSport source linked above confirms the discrepancy - the 2 Charity Shield goals are not considered by Tottenham to be competitive and so are not counted. Reliable sources are reflecting that by saying Kane has 267 to Greaves' 266 - what is the issue here? Giant Snowman 18:19, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Kane is merely two shy of hitting his second century of Premier League goals and only one away from matching Jimmy Greaves' club record of 266 goals.and later goes on to mention the 2 goal discrepancy thus
However, Greaves' total excludes two goals scored in the 1962 Charity Shield, which would extend his tally to 268. No-one seems to be disputing that there is conflict, but no-one seems to be prepared to compromise on how to mention it. Spike 'em ( talk) 20:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Galway W.F.C.#Requested move 27 December 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. echidnaLives - talk - edits 03:34, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Soon after Category:Northern Ireland international footballers was created, a note was added saying "Players in this category should also be included in Category:Northern Irish association footballers", which is consistent with other national teams and nationalities, The "Northern Irish footballers" cat was subsequently moved to Category:Association footballers from Northern Ireland, and the note on the Northern Ireland cat was also changed. The problem with this is that many Northern Ireland players are clearly not "from" Northern Ireland. I have removed the "association footballers from NI" cat from some players, but I want to check whether others agree with my interpretation before going further. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 13:51, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm wondering if any of you can figure out what to do about two new accounts fighting it out on a Featured Article-- User:Ahmetger and User:Sawo298 are having a great time fighting without explaining or seeking the talk page. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 19:57, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
In User_talk:Sir_Sputnik#'Transfermarkt_Not_Reliable', Sir_Sputnik said Transfermarkt is not reliable because, "it a self-published source. This has cause problems in the past with incorrect information that likely originated on Wikipedia making its way onto Transfermarkt. Obviously this leads to serious circular reporting concerns."
How reliable is rsssf and transfermarkt in the big picture? I am looking for a consensus of their reliabilities. -- Ktsquare (talk) 00:04, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
It appears S.A. Julio adds some random spaces a few moments before a match ends ( [4] [5]), so that if a user posts the match result before he does, it will result in an edit conflict. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 21:13, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Not sure why in just three cases that I have noticed the word inactive in opening sentences of players who are currently free agents - Gylfi Sigurðsson, Hal Robson-Kanu and Adam Johnson (footballer). At this moment I say there are plenty of other inactive footballers at this moment including Connor Wickham who I see is a current free agent. Can't think of a reason that three pages have the word inactive included whereas the rest, who are still footballers without a club, don't. Strange one... Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 09:36, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Do we really need a club-specific taskforce? Fair enough for Man Utd/Real Madrid, but not for every team... Giant Snowman 21:39, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone! Does anyone know if the player has really joined Selangor FC?
I noticed that bit of information while cleaning up the page, so I tried to find some proper sources I could cite: however, neither portals like Globo Esporte, nor the club's official website have seemingly reported anything about this transfer...
Oltrepier ( talk) 11:24, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi folks. Jules Koundé could use another set of eyes or admin intervention. Robby.is.on ( talk) 20:00, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello everybody!
I just wanted to let you know that I've opened a new discussion on the article's talk page, since I need to know which title is the most suitable in this case.
Any type of advice, especially from people who work frequently on Spanish/South American people that use both surnames publicly, is really welcome and appreciated!
Oltrepier ( talk) 09:27, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Has apparently signed for Cardiff City (?). I've reverted 2 lots of nonsense in the last 5 mins and don't have time to 'stalk' the page. Cheers. Eagleash ( talk) 17:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Does anyone know what has happened to the formatting at the bottom of this page?
I've never seen anything like that before...
Oltrepier ( talk) 15:11, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
No problem. Echetus Xe 18:47, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
I've just noticed in the tables there is a column for goal ratio, is there a point for that? Seems unneeded to me. Govvy ( talk) 11:31, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
James Milner has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 18:21, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
The main article is titled South American Youth Football Championship, some tournament articles are named 2023 South American U-20 Championship, others 2013 South American Youth Football Championship. DatGuy Talk Contribs 11:46, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the linked page immediately above - someone could get into danger for some sort of edit warring and I've noticed this has been recurring for a few days. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 22:33, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
So, here's Uwe Bengs. He played for BSG Turbine Neubrandenburg, however that team became 1. FC Neubrandenburg 04 and he technically never played for 1. FC Neubrandenburg 04. There's no current article for BSG Turbine. There maybe could be someday, but who knows.
Would it be better to categorize him as BSG player (which would require making a new category) or making him a 1. FC Neubrandenburg 04 player in the categories? KatoKungLee ( talk) 17:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Given that Cesena Football Club asserts they have inherited the legacy of the dissolved A.C. Cesena in 2018, I think it is reasonable to merge the two articles. The Italian Wikipedia even affirms that Cesena is the successor to the defunct club. Sakiv ( talk) 04:24, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
keep up the tradition of a club founded in 1940 and which, in the 78 years of its existence, played for 13 seasons in Serie A - the first time in 1973/74 and the most recent in 2014/15 - also qualifying for the Uefa Cup at the end of the 1975/76 season. Their twitter account also states
Cesena FC (re)born in 2018 in continuity with AC Cesena founded in 1940. So it is not a completely new club, they play with with same kit colours, in addition has the same stadium, logo etc. ( [9]). The same thing happened with Parma Calcio 1913, ( [10]).-- Sakiv ( talk) 13:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
You are the one who said From your post, it seems that you do not know what the discussion is about
and you do not understand what I am saying
, not me. They are two separate clubs, and the articles should remain separate.
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They're clearly two different teams. Muur ( talk) 23:11, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
There are many club season articles that are not updated since its creation and sections of the matches are just sitting there empty. It makes you wonder what is the point for these articles to exist. I suggest making them redirects to the club page but deleting them is another option. Here are a few examples of out-of-date articles that haven't been updated in many months (if we can agree that these articles shouldn't exist, I can give a full list of all of the articles):
Mwiqdoh ( talk) 09:15, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
someone to comeback in future and update them should they wish.Mwiqdoh ( talk) 10:29, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
I don't see why you should redirect then, someone might come along and update them. Govvy ( talk) 10:59, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
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List of FC Seoul players is entirely unsourced, and I can't find any reliable sources on the internet to support it, suggesting it might be original research. What should be done about it? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 00:01, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
We do not have an image for the St Louis City SC away team uniform. Can somebody add that? Thanks in advance. LuxembourgBoy42 ( talk) 14:52, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
There is confusion about the title of the Egyptian Super Cup, for example, in this official logo it appears 2020-21 for the Super Cup match that was played on 28 October 2022, while the current title refers to 2021-22. The next cup will be held on 5 May 2023, and it will be between Zamalek, the league champion in the 2021-22 season, and the Egyptian Cup winner between Al-Ahly and Pyramids. Additional source. What should we follow? Sakiv ( talk) 20:03, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Defenders do not get the coverage that strikers and forwards get since it is often hard to know how much they contributed to a game. Defenders rarely are in position to score goals, defenders are not given as many oppurtunities to shoot free kicks and corner kicks, and unlike goalkeepers, they do not make saves. There's not many records they can chase since they don't contribute to a lot of stats and there's not a lot of awards they can win because it's so hard to figure out what they actually contributed. This makes proving notability a harder task than with forwards. And in general, I'm not sure the average person can really name other teams defenders the way they could name other people's strikers and such, despite defenders being as important to a game as strikers are.
I think this is something that should be looked into and should be discussed. There's an unintentional bias towards defenders. KatoKungLee ( talk) 17:27, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi! I just nominated 1919 Copa del Rey Final for GA and would appreciate a review :) — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. 14:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Why on earth are we keeping this dispute here, [12], numbers don't lie! Govvy ( talk) 12:56, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
In another week or two or so, this won't even matter. We can just write he is the second leading scorer and there will be no issue (don't even need to write the 266/268 in the opening) RedPatch ( talk) 16:45, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
The English version of Hanna Lundqvist is different to the spelling used on the Swedish and Spanish versions of the Wikipedia article it's Hanna Lundkvist. Which is the correct spelling? Dwanyewest ( talk) 15:00, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
You may be interested in this village pump discussion on draftifiying nearly a thousand Olympians. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 14:48, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
For example, Kareem Mitchum of Saint Kitts and Nevis is up for deletion due to a lack of significant coverage. I and many others didn't even know that country existed nor would I be able to spot it on a map. I don't know if a single player that ever came from there while any soccer fan could list dozens of names of players from European countries. It doesn't mean St. Kitts has never had any good players, it just means there's a general lack of any knowledge. I looked to see how many newspapers Saint Kitts and Nevis has and it's a grand total of 2 newspapers. Maybe there's more, but even if we double that, it's not a lot. Meanwhile, in a country like the US, you would have thousands of newspapers where there would be infinite more chances of coverage.
Additionally, unlike other countries, Saint Kitts and Nevis does not appear to have a heavy internet presence. Newtown United FC, Village Superstars FC and St. Paul's United FC of the top division SKNFA Premier League do not even have websites, just facebook pages, which is unfathomable for MLS teams. There's rules here that discriminate against sources from social media websites, so those wouldn't be allowed to be used and sites like Blogger.com, which is a free platform to publish websites on, are also discriminated against.
This isn't a one off situation either. North Korea has a league, but I don't think anyone here would say anything newsworthy from that country is a reliable source due to the government. The same things could be said about places like Saudi Arabia, China and so forth. And other countries like Montserrat and Grenada would also have a limited internet presence due to the countries being small.
Kareem, for example, played for the top division in his country and played for the national team. What more could someone like Kareem really do to be notable? Nobody knows him and maybe he's not interested in moving overseas to play in other leagues where he might get more coverage like many players get. He can't control what the 2 newspapers choose to write about, and since there's only 2 newspapers, they are going to have limited content anyway (and likely even less that someone outside the country can access for free). His team has no website and if they don't even have a website, it's unlikely that they are going to be publishing a lot of books or magazines that would provide additional information. I would assume St. Kitts has magazines that might talk about soccer, but those things are likely not getting sold outside of St. Kitts, so people like me would never have access to those sources. Finding older magazines and newspapers would be an even harder task especially in countries where they speak a different language.
I think some kind of exception and general common sense ruling needs to be made. KatoKungLee ( talk) 17:27, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
another deleted article to add to the trophy caseor
credit for getting something deleted. As I said, I absolutely want to be wrong about the notability of Fritz, but there is a lack of sources and those that do exist are just passing mentions or sports database entries. The nomination and discussion were in no way personal so I'll remind you again to assume good faith. Hey man im josh ( talk) 19:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
The same things could be said about places like Saudi Arabia, China and so forth.Are you sure? Saudi Arabia and China are one of the biggest leagues in Asia and they get plenty of coverage. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 06:32, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Will Still#Nationality. Giant Snowman 20:00, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
This guy played for a few league clubs, but nothing online for him, don't know if anyone can safe it from an AfD demise! Govvy ( talk) 16:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
I noticed that List of Tranmere Rovers F.C. players exists and lists all players with 100+ appearances for the club, which is fairly standard, but (apparently uniquely) there's also List of Tranmere Rovers F.C. players (1921–1939) and List of post-war Tranmere Rovers F.C. players, which purportedly contain all players from the respective periods, which means that some players appear on one of those lists and also on List of Tranmere Rovers F.C. players. Should we do anything about this unusual set-up or just leave it? As an aside, both the "main" list and the post-war one are TEN YEARS out of date..... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 20:49, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
See Adrián Guľa#Career results. This cannot possibly be a desired level of detail. Wikipedia is not a directory et al. Lists of every individual game is therefore fansite or Wikia material. Agree? 89.11.168.228 ( talk) 08:41, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Not every facet of a celebrity's life, personal details, matches played, or goals scored warrants inclusion in the biography of that personSpike 'em ( talk) 10:42, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
For anyone interested in German soccer, I purchased a copy of Vereinslexikon. If you don't know about it, it's a massive book that has information for over 3,5000 German teams down to Division 3 and 4 teams. It's probably the most sourced book in German soccer and I think it's going to provide a lot of use for this project. I also may be the only person in the English speaking world who actually has it. If anyone needs anything from it, feel free to contact me. I'll add it to the book list. KatoKungLee ( talk) 14:49, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Is 2023 CAF African Schools Football Championship qualification notable? I don't think so but wanted to check back before sending it to AfD. Kante4 ( talk) 13:39, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Kosovare Asllani has received the first Women's Golden Foot, not the Golden Foot Legends award ( [15], [16], [17]). This should be clarified. Besides, Gabriele Gravina has received the Golden Foot Prestige Award in 2021. Dipralb ( talk) 13:41, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello! As I've just reported on the club's article, yesterday PEC Zwolle equalized Ajax's previous record for the largest win in the history of Dutch professional football, which is made of Eredivisie (the top flight) and Eerste Divisie (the second tier).
Do you think this achievement is worth a full article on its own, or is the information I added sufficient to cover this bit of news?
Oltrepier ( talk) 14:55, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi! I've added a number of Spanish sport/general newspapers with football coverage to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Links#Spain. Thought I'd leave a note here in case any one not watching that page would find them useful. — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. 11:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Former Norwich City FC chairman Robert Chase died recently. Expect the Eastern Daily Press will be a good source to flesh out the article once a full obituary is published. I've added a brief note about his death to the article. Mjroots ( talk) 15:24, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Can anyone help me improve this article, please?
I think the player meets WP:GNG, but his page is currently down to just the bare bones...
Oltrepier ( talk) 17:20, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Does anyone think Anastassia Pustovoitova should be redirected into Anastasia Pustovoitova. Dwanyewest ( talk) 02:50, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I wrote https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pablo_Torre_(football)&action=edit&redlink=1. The article was deleted because Pablo Torre had not played a pro game. The same article was then put up a year later /info/en/?search=Pablo_Torre_(footballer) and was not marked for deletion even though nothing had really changed.
What happened here?
Thanks KatoKungLee ( talk) 23:55, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Having a list of every single team that "could qualify" (which at the moment lists 108 teams!) even though only 7 of them will qualify is just a waste of space and time. For the small amount of people that would for some reason want to know every single team that could qualify to the Club World Cup, could check the articles of the competitions. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 06:38, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Has this been discussed in the past? I know I've seen it in some other competitions articles over the years. Personally I'm not sure which side of the issue I come down on, there's pros and cons to it, so I would like to know if this has been debated previously or is there an established guideline to point to? I tried looking for a few key words in the archives index, but the archives of this project are huge. Gecko G ( talk) 20:59, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Given how frequently these get added, I'm surprised those editors in favor haven't come by to make any arguments for it. Instead there's only been arguments against. Gecko G ( talk) 02:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon,
taking Ricardo Quaresma as an example, which of the Romani-related category/categories is/are the main one(s)? We have "Portuguese Romani people", "Romani footballers" and we had "Portuguese people of Romani descent" which i removed (the third seems to be excessive in presence of the first, but could be vice-versa).
I admit i still get a bit confused regarding the subject seen in title. I'll be reverting myself now, until i get some feedback on the subject. Attentively, sorry for any inconvenience. RevampedEditor ( talk) 14:17, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
@ GiantSnowman: Thanks for the input! In that case, which one do you think i/we should remove? -- RevampedEditor ( talk) 21:22, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure they're identical, IMO the first is for people who themselves identify as Romani, and the other is for those who don't, but are sourced as having ancestors of that background etc. But maybe CfD would interpret it differently. Crowsus ( talk) 17:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
I've started a discussion that could use this project's input at the idea lab village pump. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Draft:2023–24 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season needs deleting, 2023–24 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season needs shifting to draft space, I don't know why all these are created so early. Govvy ( talk) 17:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Regarding Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/League season#Results, I have two questions concerning the presentation order of the teams in the results grid.
If these questions have already been answered, please indicate previous discussion, and ideally update the League season#Results section. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 18:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
When it is appended to a standings table and called from within it- please give an example so that I can understand this. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 09:27, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
{{#invoke:sports results|main|...}}
but by {{#invoke:sports table|main|...}}
so that the standings table and results grid sit side by side. Skyerise ( talk · contribs) is going through articles of players born in country X but who played for country Y, and removing the Y-related categories from articles. I have reverted and warned but they are still doing it. Can somebody else please have a word? Giant Snowman 15:46, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Skyerise is back and removing DOBs from numerous footballer articles; can somebody else please step in and try and get through to them? @ Koncorde and Lee Vilenski:? Giant Snowman 19:54, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
I have come across the term "capped" in articles on footballers. When used as a verb in the United States, the term has the slang meaning of being shot. For example, Urban Dictionary offers the following example: "I capped that bitch's ass." See here. When using the term in the sense of appearing in an international match, it would be best to use a wikilink to Cap (sports). Cbl62 ( talk) 13:54, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi all, can somebody keep an eye on this page and maybe even lock it (for the time being)? During the last couple of weeks, a lot of vandalism has taken place (mostly from Galatasaray fans, presumably). To top it all off, a banned user Ahmetger has returned using an IP Address to push his own research, adding Turkish Cup wins in a list of league champions. Eem dik doun in toene ( talk) 17:35, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Is the 2024 edition going to take place? This edit was done by S.A. Julio, implying that the 2024 edition won't take place. If the 2024 edition won't take place, then something should be done about the 2024 FIFA Club World Cup article. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 17:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
current version of the FIFA Club World Cup will be discontinued after the 2023 edition, and the new 332-team cup will start in 2025. That seems to confirm that there isn't a 2024 tournament. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 17:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Hope you are well. Working on Italian/American professional athletes. Need some assistance in regards to the article on Professional Italian/American soccer player Andrea Pregoni. I have created a draft with notable references sites as well used in other professional soccer players articles references. Need some assistance in regard for the next steps. Also for the layout please let me know your feedback.
Rocdre ( talk) 21:21, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
San Marino national football team has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 00:10, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
If a player's date of birth or cap number is unconfirmed, do people prefer that it is listed as blank or with a question mark? I prefer a blank space for DoB and a 0 for cap number, but there is no best-practice listed at the moment. I have been prompted into this question following an edit on the Kenya national football team page. Felixsv7 ( talk) 14:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, loanee Xavier Simons signs a deal with Hull City. Should we change him to new status immediatly or should we continue with him as a loanee until the end of season and then switch for next season? Obviously what an IP has done is wrong removing the loan from stats. Keith D ( talk) 17:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
A player registered on a Standard Loan at a Club may subsequently be transferred to that Club at any time during a Closed Period.. Seeing as the rules permit such a transfer to be made at any time, and there's nothing in the club's report of the move or in the BBC's to suggest it doesn't come into force until the next window opens, I'd assume he is now a permanent Hull City player. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 21:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Mattythewhite removed EFL Cup accomplishments from Wikipedia articles of Wayne Rooney (2009), Gerard Piqué (2006) and Yaya Touré (2018). His main reasoning is that they were not called up for the finals and did not get medals during trophy celebrations. Despite the fact that they gave their contributions in previous matches as their "career statistics" section of the articles indicate that. I think that EFL Cup triumphs should be included in their honours as they were active parts of their teams during given time periods with at least one appearances. I hope you can give us a solution for that argument. NextEditor123 ( talk) 21:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
...have a right to receive the medals...no, they'd have no automatic right to a medal if they didn't play in the final, but they may or may not still receive one regardless.
...and be recognized as active parts of winning teams with one appearance at leastYes!
Several months ago, a Wikipedia article about Champions League winning players was deleted. Can we put names of the winning players on CL records and statistics article or can we somehow re-create the article in Wikipedia? (Same thing with Europa League). NextEditor123 ( talk) 19:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
As per the blatantly rude edit summary here, is it really a problem to state for clarity the country that a league is in, especially in a scenario like this one where you have a player from one country playing in the league of a second, on loan from the league of a third (and neither league actually has the name of the country in its name).....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Please contribute to this discussion if you can. Thanks! Paul Vaurie ( talk) 16:09, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Lionel Messi was not called up for Supercopa de España in 2005. I think that it should be removed from "honours" section of Wikipedia article about him. NextEditor123 ( talk) 19:51, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
I think we now have a much bigger problem here than just an issue over a (minor) trophy. Right now, as it stands, we currently have some Wikipedia editors, using original research: which is to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources, trumping published, reliable sources. A cornerstone of Wikipedia has been breached here: Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. This discussion needs to be taken outside the confines of those who follow the sport as the responses here are tainted with subjective analysis: “he didn’t play”, “wasn’t in the squad”, even further “wasn’t in the A squad”, “wasn’t pictured with a medal”, it’s “just attempts to big-up a player”. These all reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. @ Koncorde: is one the editor from this previous discussion who nails it; the answer is to err on the side of reliable sources even if it doesn't appear right. Messi not being involved in the two legs (which was due to issues with his legal status until he acquired Spanish citizenship, nothing to do with status as a first team member which he was, not that this is relevant) and saying he didn’t win the trophy is reaching your own conclusion ie. original research. We don’t know the criteria for what constitutes the winning of a trophy in Spain. No-one editing on here (I’d like to think) could care less if he won 2, 10 or 254 Copas, the aim is accuracy, and right now we have a Wikipedia article, via subjective analysis not supported by sources, trumping a plethora of published, reliable sources (including from Catalan journalists, Madrid based journalists, the governing body of the sport in Europe, and even Messi physically standing in front of the eight SuperCopas attributed to him). Nampa DC ( talk) 12:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
How can we be " disputing" pure facts? What Tottenham says doesn't change the fact of how many goals he truly scored. We don't need to make a note on his factual stats saying "Oh but Tottenham say that these don't count so they don't". Mwiqdoh ( talk) 04:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Tottenham Hotspur only recognise 379 of his appearences, and do not include the 2 in the 1962 and 1967 Charity Shieldsand
Tottenham Hotspur only recognise 266 of his goals, and do not include the 2 scored in the 1962 Charity Shieldis complete distortion of information. Tottenham do use this information, they include it in their other statistics for him, which is included with the friendly appearances and goals. For some bizarre reason they don't want to add the Charity Shield apps and goals to immediate tally, but they do include them in a total tally. So not only is the information in the efn distortion, it's not using the other column correctly, where as Tottenham include friendlies in other column, wikipedia does not. All stats should be reflective, unfortunate a few people here are continuing to distort the tallies. Govvy ( talk) 10:33, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
What should be the sourcing for such articles? For example List of foreign Premier League players (which as an aside, shouldn't those flags in the headers be removed per MOS:FLAGS?), the only references are a general database which is hard and annoying to verify, a BBC report from 2009 which I doubt covers the whole list, and a source from 2012 which is permanently dead.
Should we have a sourcing for each player (something which shows his nationality and/or joining/playing for the team)? There seems to be a lot of work to do on these kind of articles anyway. List of foreign A-League Men players and List of foreign A-League Women players are quite complete, but same question about sourcing (referenced to general databases).
I'm asking as I'm trying to get List of foreign Liga F players up to level, and noticed that it's not very updated, but also that the sourcing is per player if it's there.
Cheers, -- SuperJew ( talk) 13:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
the only references are a general database which is hard and annoying to verify....- that reference is also dead, so the Premier League one is essentially unsourced...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 14:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
significant coverage of the list topic as well- that would be for notability and the prose sections, yes? Thanks for the links :) -- SuperJew ( talk) 14:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
While we're on the subject I would like to bring up the format used on some of the pages, for example
List of foreign Premier League players, for example: Nabil Bentaleb – Tottenham Hotspur, Newcastle United – 2013–16, 2019–20[b FRA][c FRA U19]
. I would think it would be more appropriate to use Nabil Bentaleb[b FRA][c FRA U19] – Tottenham Hotspur – 2013–16, Newcastle United – 2019–20
as the nationality notes are about the player, not the years he played and I think each timespan should be attached to the relevant club, as how it is makes it hard to understand when the player was at which club, especially when there are many clubs. --
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15:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
I wanted to share something I noticed today. Maybe it's obvious, maybe it's not. Don't know, just trying to help. If you are looking for sources on various teams or leagues, I would figure out which city/country they are in. I would then go through the wikipedia search function and check out an article about local newspapers/magazines/websites in the area. I would then search for what you are looking for directly on those sites. The sites will often have tags which makes the search easier. You can do "Insert Team Here" from "site:Insert website here" and you will pull up a lot of results that you will not be able to find in general searches. Google and other search engines do not pull up many of those articles, and as many know, it only takes one article to save an article from issues. I would also recommend finding the city/town then finding the word for newspaper in their language and searching it, as that has also helped me. Maybe it seems silly, but for people who aren't familiar with various places, it can be a major help. KatoKungLee ( talk) 16:09, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
For this individual, more famous as a manager, WorldFootball says he played for Fulham from 1932-1946, but he is not listed at ENFA. Any clarification? Giant Snowman 06:53, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Saturday Football International is in dire need of sources, and I'm not finding anything in a Google search that I can actually assess. I'm fairly certain languages are going to be in some sort of Chinese, which I don't particularly trust translations of. Anyone able to help?
(Yes, I know this is ironic given the thread above, but this is an instance where I'm not finding anything in a language I can read or get a comprehensible automated translation for.) — Jéské Couriano (No further replies will be forthcoming.) 05:18, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
This IP edited a lot of articles stating Russia has already joined the AFC. Maybe unroll everything? They have received some invitations for CAFAand SAFF but there is nothing set in stone yet. - Koppapa ( talk) 11:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
This person posted a whole bunch of old South American soccer magazines here - https://issuu.com/futbolsinpelota. Now the website just issued some changes, so it says there's restrictions. However, if you use - https://issuu.pdf-downloader.com/index.php, copy the link, press "download" then "download as PDF" and select "Print as PDF", you can see the whole thing. These magazines could be a great find for vintage South American soccer sourcing. KatoKungLee ( talk) 00:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1146252954
this user doesnt know how departments infobox looks, but reverts his errors constantly 78.2.170.247 ( talk) 13:01, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Is it worth the trouble to make an article about Julia Manning she did represent the England women's team and was chosen for the 1972 Scotland v England women's football match . Are these sources good enough to create an article? Julia Brunton (née Manning) | History of the Women's Football Association (wordpress.com) and The first ‘official’ England Women’s football match - Brighton & Hove Museums (brightonmuseums.org.uk) Dwanyewest ( talk) 13:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
since uefa and fifa suspended russia but theyre still playing friendlies, are fifa/uefa even counting these as official caps for both teams in said matches Muur ( talk) 19:28, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Leo Messi is not an official or full name of the football player. There is no official sources that confirm that this naming is formal. We don't write shortened unofficial names in Wikipedia for other players. Since when this article became an exception? NextEditor123 ( talk) 10:19, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I ask for your attention to [ edition]. Maybe this edition is correct, but if so, shouldn't the other non-members be removed? Or should we kept this like it was? Rpo.castro ( talk) 11:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
User:Pindrice seems to be disregarding UEFA's official regulations for tiebreakers on
Template:UEFA Euro 2024 qualifying group tables, claiming that Rules can be well or wrongly interpreted.
Here is the regulations for the tiebreakers from
UEFA themselves. It clearly states that overall goal difference is used before away goals scored.
Mwiqdoh (
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12:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi! There is an open GA reassessment at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/San Marino national football team/1 for the national football team of San Marino. Any thoughts or improvement would be appreciated. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Is Footofeminin.fr : le football au féminin considered a reliable webstie to source regarding French women's football? Dwanyewest ( talk) 06:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Regarding Oliver Hobgood#Youth international goals, is every youth international goal a level of detail that Wikipedia should have? Personally, I think not (which is also my opinion on the similar senior international goal statistics). 2A01:799:19A1:C100:60D4:797B:8A62:F4DF ( talk) 06:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Many websites have different numbers for Rasmus Højlund: transfermarkt 191cm, soccerway 185cm, bold.dk 191cm, whoscored 185cm, fbref 192cm. FIFA the game have him at 187cm, even though they are ofc not a source that can be used, but it still shows how unreliable all of it is. His height doesn't even exist on the official website for the Danish football union as well. Seeing him standing beside players who are 185cm, he does seem a little bit taller. Besides players who are over 190cm, he seems maybe a little off from that as well.
Shouldn't it be one of the most easiest facts to state about a pro player? Why is this so hard to figure out? Speun ( talk) 14:28, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I've searched in vain for information on the licensing/"playing privileges" rules or procedures in Germany. Is it national or by region? Where might I find this material?-- Quisqualis ( talk) 19:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
TBH it's really hard to follow what recently happened with all the page moves by @ BilledMammal and comments and edits by @ Sakiv. But one thing is for sure, the main page and the navbox are not matching every edition articles. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 02:49, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
It seems that the English language version of player profiles on NFT no longer exist. The template now links to a 404 error. This affects a large number of articles and over the last week editors have been updating international stats without checking that they are backed up by a source. A solution would be to change the template to link to the German language version of NFT (I don't know how to do this). Stuart1234 ( talk) 15:53, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I've contacted the site but it has been down for a few days - though is likely (hopefully) not a permanent error so there should be no need to change all NFT links to the German site just yet. Felixsv7 ( talk) 16:01, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I was reviewing and fixing this draft, and I think it's generally fine. However, I'm not sure if this player already meets WP:GNG: he would definitely be eligible if he featured for an EFL team, but what about the National League? Is it a sufficient standard, too?
On a side note, Brooks' date of birth is not clear, either: his profile on Notts County's website states that he's born in 2002, whereas Soccerway and Worldfootball.net report 2003 as the correct year...
Thoughts?
Oltrepier ( talk) 08:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
he would definitely be eligible if he featured for an EFL team, but what about the National League- the notion of a player being notable for having played at a particular level was scrapped some time ago. An article now stands or falls based on WP:SPORTBASIC..... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 09:44, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon! I've moved my original message to the article's talk page, as it might be a better place to discuss on the transfer ban situation. Still, any help would be hugely appreciated! Oltrepier ( talk) 12:42, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
Thoughts on recent additions to various footballers based on generic pen profiles in Shoot Magazine from 40 years ago? See here from KatoKungLee. The writing is incredibly poor as just a list of things, spelling mistakes and poor grammar, plus the source is obviously unverifiable barring getting a copy of a magazine described as being published "in the 70's" or 80's in some cases. A bit of information like this is sometimes included in player articles, but this seems a bit of a sledgehammer to insert a solid paragraph of cruft. Also have concern on COPYVIO as suspect these are word for word transcribed. Koncorde ( talk) 20:04, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Every article I used is uploaded here - https://imgur.com/a/D106rnZ. I can't link to something like that though in a source. There's dozens more profiles that I have yet to transcribe. I don't own the magazines unfortunately. Some of the magazines did have the year posted that the magazine is from, and some did not. Since we know the articles are legitimate, I don't think it's a major issue. I'm not sure exactly why a players influences, favorite football moments and so forth wouldn't be relevant information, as that stuff is included in every wikipedia article. By the way @ Koncorde, it's always better to ask people and WP:AGF than to assume things and accuse people of things. KatoKungLee ( talk) 20:12, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
1970's / 1980's? Nothing is being abbreviated and there is no possession. Spike 'em ( talk) 09:56, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure exactly why a players influences, favorite football moments and so forth wouldn't be relevant information, as that stuff is included in every wikipedia articleis quite the statement. No, we should not be including info on someone's "favourite football moment". This isn't a trivia website. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 08:34, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I was wondering if anyone was interested in making articles for the three redlinks at Norwich City F.C. Hall of Fame. John Howes (footballer), Denis Morgan and groundsman Russell Allison. Thanks! MrLinkinPark333 ( talk) 19:22, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
Can database sources (like RSSSF, for example) be used as the link in honour sections of footballer players' Wikipedia articles? Isn't considered as an original research? NextEditor123 ( talk) 09:16, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist.RSSSF is a reliable source and is listed at WP:WPFLINKS as a result. Using RSSSF to verify information, such as a particular trophy that a particular player won, would meet WP:VERIFY and would not create original research. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 16:05, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
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20:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
I am asking for some guidance and a discussion on the PRE/INJ status of players on National Teams. I have looked at archives and seen their is consensus to get ride of logos being used, but it never appears there is a consensus on whether or not to do away with PRE/INJ status of players. I just have some thoughts
Thanks for everyone's input! 15:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC) Demt1298 ( talk) 15:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
I've been e-mailed by someone claiming to be Victor Nirennold. They reckon they are applying for jobs and are being discriminated against by prospective employers who apparently see professional athletes as a bunch of thickos. How they would explain reaching the age of 32 without any kind of employment history and why that would be preferable to the truth I don't know... Echetus Xe 14:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Is Michaela Catena or Michela Catena the correct is the correct spelling? On the Italian version of the article it is Michela Catena. So which is the correct spelling? Dwanyewest ( talk) 20:31, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Thought it would be of interest to this wiki project that I created a short article for the new CBS Sports Golazo Network as part of a section of Soccer on CBS Sports. Esolo5002 ( talk) 03:03, 16 April 2023 (UTC)