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Hello. At around the two-minute mark in this interview, Kays Ruiz-Atil reveals that he went from FC Gerland to Olympique Lyonnais and back to FC Gerland before signing for FC Barcelona. Should we include this in his youth career in his article's infobox? And how should we source that? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 12:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Could someone explain to my why Nicklas redirects to Nicklas Bendtner? It doesn’t make any sense to me. Neither does the Lord Bendtner redirect make sense. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 12:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
How can we fit in Strasbourg B in Idriss Saadi? The current way looks weird with the loan underneath. Note that he only played for Strasbourg B in 2018 (2 games). Paul Vaurie ( talk) 13:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Something I proposed in the past for players who go to the B team temporarily is to put the arrow like we do for loans, but not the word loan. RedPatch ( talk) 13:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
I've created a RM to Segunda División B and Tercera División, to rename them to Segunda División RFEF and Tercera División RFEF, respectively. Although they might seem clearly a continuity to the aforementioned divisions, a discussion was raised here before, which I failed to see a clear consensus, and despite that, my RM was accepted a month ago or so. Because of those moves, I have created a CfD to the cats related to those divisions (players and managers for now), but @ GiantSnowman: asked to raise the issue here as he opposed to it. @ Crowsus: also created a category for Segunda RFEF ( Category:Segunda División RFEF), so I think the discussion should be brought up here again, because we need to define how we should approach these divisions.
My suggestion is to rename those cats and merge Category:Segunda División B into Category:Segunda División RFEF, but I would like to see some opinions. BRDude70 ( talk) 18:24, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
A user (@ Mitch Ames:) has used AWB to remove valid categories such as Category:Greek football managers and Category:Australian soccer coaches from articles (now reverted). However, they were not tagged as non-diffusing, hence the confusion - should we run a bot or similar to tag all parent categories in Category:Association football managers by nationality (and Category:Association football players by nationality to avoid further confusion? Giant Snowman 06:11, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
participants in a WikiProject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope.Mitch Ames ( talk) 10:25, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
they just need to be tagged appropriately— Then please do that. Mitch Ames ( talk) 12:04, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Pizzi (Portuguese footballer) was moved to Pizzi (footballer) without any discussion, and there are other footballers called Pizzi. Is this okay? SLBedit ( talk) 16:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi folks. Craig Short's profile image is in urgent need of cropping. Insert pun here… ;-) Robby.is.on ( talk) 21:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Jack Reynolds (footballer, born 1869) is lacking quite a few inline citations. If someone could help add some it would be appreciated. Nehme 1499 14:59, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Could someone create and upload the new Watford kits. home and away kits have been announced by the club and they even wore the new home strip against Villa yesterday. I can create kits but these are above my level. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 16:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be better insert the number of the tier for each team in the football box collapsible? Dr Salvus 23:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Some eyes and clean up on Leandro Campaz, a Colombian footballer, would be good; see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#WP:BLP help at Leandro Campaz. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 00:56, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Is American coaches of foreign national soccer teams really a notable article? Looking at both of the previous deletion discussions, the keep votes make significantly worse arguments than the delete voters and the delete voters outnumber the keep voters. This article is clearly a U.S.-biased fancruft. Either a deletion review or a 3rd deletion discussion needs to be made in order to sort things out once and for all. KingSkyLord ( talk | contribs) 04:20, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
..... check out Masayuki Okano -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:01, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Why are there lot of pages about season clubs who don't meet our MoS? Dr Salvus 21:01, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Firstly, as I've said in almost every discussion on this subject, if we want the MoS to be consistent and the consensus is to have the info in table form, then the template should be changed as it is highly doubtful that any editor will go back and change hundreds-thousands of pages from thier current footballbox collapsible form to the table. Also, as I've said my main issue against the table and per template is that it makes editing harder and less available for less experienced users. I also think the collapsible footballbox looks better, but that is a weak argument. Furthermore @ PeeJay: why does it matter how much space the template/table takes? What is the extra whitespace used for? (for example on 2020–21 Manchester United F.C. season) It's just extra whitespace and doesn't have any value. Also, this is an online encyclopedia, not a printed version so there's no issue of taking up space on a page. -- SuperJew ( talk) 19:42, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Reposted and updated version of original now archived.
As main contributor to this article, I would like to flag up for attention of others on the project a number of candidates for the list that are already wiki-articled and known or believed to have been killed in or died as a result of circumstances brought on by the war (eg execution, in enemy captivity, effects of wounds etc) but which so far lack a reliable citation regarding their death which is preconditional to inclusion in the list. A few have no death circumstances described in the text of their article but I note have been put on category lists that suggest someone knew/believed they died in wartime circumstances. I also include those whose death circumstances are disputed - see their talk pages for further detail - and are in need of a conclusive ruling in or out.
There may be additions coming onto the list so I encourage watch this space! Others are welcome to add. Please let us know if sources are found and added into their articles. Cloptonson ( talk) 06:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
An IP and now a registered account keeps adding a sentence that Edwards is the only Forest Green manager to have a 100% record... three matches into his career, like it's a notable feat. I've maxed out my reverts, so if anyone else is willing to keep an eye on it, I'd appreciate it. Seasider53 ( talk) 20:04, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, there is a situation developing on Arsène Wenger's page and would definitely welcome some input; @ Bkhd12: has expanded the lead but I reverted the lead for these reasons:
I reverted the lead in keeping with WP:GAC, but Bkhd12 has refused to corporate or reach out here for opinions. So rather than getting into an edit war, I'd welcome some constructive feedback, cheers. Lemonade51 ( talk) 08:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- the revision to the para as the manager who has managed the most PL games/FA cups is extremely pertinent to include and has been omitted in @ Lemonade51:'s original version. - In my opinion, starting off the lead with 'widely known for managing Arsenal' then adding his achievements (most pl games/facups won) is more informative to a reader than a vague statement that he is the most successful. Which again could be debated considering Herbert Chapman by some (others will have to think, but I'd rather avoid the implication entirely and give a more objective fact)
- 'often considered one of the greatest managers' is again an allude to his reputation, which I've tried to cite [I can see clumsily, but there's some other solid sources there]. Definitely up for debate/consensus, I'd posit Ferguson, Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho pages who all include some interp of this phrase.
@ Lemonade51: responded to your commentary, just now
- Willing to yield the Hale End point (however there is some reference in the body by the way, "Several English players have started their careers at Arsenal under Wenger, such as Ashley Cole, David Bentley and Matthew Upson,[398] Wenger commented that an advantage of building his team around British players was the guarantee of stability[399]. ". Although the lack of this recognition makes the lead a bit unfinished I would argue. Especially as Lemonade51 added 'at Monaco Wenger earned a reputation for spotting young talent and developing a youth system' in the lead & is less relevant than his utilisation of Hale End. Perhaps one for future editors to ponder. I can definitely see Lemonade's criticism here
- Re:3rd para & Le Professeur tag, I would stick with my revision. Will try to cite 'upheaval of traditional english football culture'
- I reckon my expansion also made the article a bit more flowing & improved QoLs compared to the original. Original lead was jarring & terse in structure from para to para.
Again sorry for the late comment, looking for consensus instead of editwarfare haha Bkhd12 ( talk) 07:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Late comer to discussions. The lede needs rewriting entirely. It has clearly progressed through a too many cooks process over the years and needs a good hard prune and re-shape. There are stray sentences, that probably had context in the past, like Arsenal went 49 games unbeaten before 'Battle of the Buffet'.
and the flow is garbled and unclear. The opening few sentences in particular are poor summaries of Arsene He is often considered as one of the greatest managers of all time[4][5][6] and has managed the most Premier League games and won the most FA Cups of any manager.
is just odd, he isn't considered "greatest" for the two kind of throwaway add-ons to make up the sentence. He is recognised as a significant contributor to the globalisation and modernisation of professional football in the 21st century.
is... milquetoast. I notice Mourinho's article is somewhat guilty, but it at least segues directly into "one of the most decorated managers" which kind of justifies the praise. I am happy to work with both Bkhd and Lemonade on this, but I suggest taking it back to the Arsenal talk page and everyone having a cool down for a day or two while I draft better feedback and structure using your versions.
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I suggest taking it back to the Arsenal talk pageIndeed, no reason for a content dispute on a single article to take place here. Spike 'em ( talk) 17:05, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Template:2014 FA Cup Final line-up has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Dutchy45 ( talk) 12:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
I have just rediscovered the old merge conversation at Talk:Brentford F.C. and since the consensus seems to be yes I wanted to merge but am unsure as how to do it. Do I just move the history pages to the main one or will that not work? Also, History of Brentford F.C. (1986–present) is a GA. What will happen to that? Will it be lost? REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 17:12, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, I have started a discussion about a name change for the article Thakgalo Leshabela, in the announcement of his loan move today he appears to go by his middle name the same way Wilfred Ndidi does and wanted to see if anyone objects to me moving the page? Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 14:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
I wanted to know what is the standard template used for a national football team page's results section? The template on Indian national football team has been edited saying that it's the "new style", but according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams it's still the old one.
Footy2000 ( talk) 03:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
My preference - and one I see on most articles - is (roughly) dates of birth/death, then nationality, then clubs (in order), and leagues (in order). @ Geoff3Cae: has been re-organising article categories alphgatnbeticaly, which I think actually hinders navigation. What are thoughts? Giant Snowman 11:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Geoff3Cae: is continuing to violate CATORDER - please can somebody else have a word? @ Lee Vilenski and EchetusXe: Giant Snowman 12:34, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone. Something seems to have gone wrong with a page move at Jaminton Campaz. Talk:Jaminton Campaz now contains the content from the article. Is someone here able to fix it? Robby.is.on ( talk) 15:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello; Does a player made an appearance in 2021 AFC Cup is eligible to have an article in mainspace ? Thanks Poppified talk 12:55, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Kante4: Both Leagues are fully Proffessional leagues. Poppified talk 13:33, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Nehme1499 Kante4 Got it.Thanks for the reply. Poppified talk 13:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
So apparently Harry Wilson's transfer to Fulham is actually a loan deal with the transfer becoming permanent in July 2022 for 12 million, but the only places I can find this are tabloaids like the sun and daily mail and random people on twitter who obviously cant be used. anyone got a usable source that confirms this? Muur ( talk) 20:09, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I think it time to re-visit James Mitchell (footballer, born 1897) and consider updating the article both with new name and more accurate detail. I've added some notes on talk page to those written by others 18 months or so ago. RossRSmith ( talk) 04:44, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
László Bölöni is a former footballer and current manager born Mureș County, Romania. He is one of the most capped Romanian players, won the Romanian Footballer of the Year twice and coached the Romania national team. Outside Romania, he is possibly best known for promoting Cristiano Ronaldo to Sporting CP's first team. However, as his name suggest, he if of Hugarian/ Szekler origin and has clearly stated he feels more Hungarian than Romanian. His mother moved from Romania to Budapest sometime in her life. In 2021, he worked for Nemzeti Sport to analyse Hungary's games at the European Championship and he revealed his support of the Székely Land football team.
My question is if his ethnicity is considered notable. Per Wikipedia:Ethnicity is not notable, Ethnicity becomes notable if "The subject publicly self-identifies with the belief or orientation in question". Personally, I feel like his Hungarian heritage is part of who he is, and it's a little unfair not be mentioned at least once in the intro. But it's a matter of WP guidelines if it will happen or not. 8Dodo8 ( talk · contribs) 13:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Could someone please protect the Iraqi Premier League page? An IP keeps adding a load of empty sections to the page, most of these new sections like "20 Seasons Awards" have nothing to do with Iraqi Premier League and are copied from Premier League page, and they just include the text "complete the section" without any content. Thanks, Hashim-afc ( talk) 14:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm unsure about how a couple pages about a father-son pair should be named.
My question lies from the fact that both are technically Jr's so both could be renamed DNJ (soccer, born XXXX), but it may be best to rename father as "Dave Norman" and leave son as is, with hatnotes to each other. The last is what I think is best, but wanted to see some insights here first as RM sometimes get messy with counterproposals. RedPatch ( talk) 13:27, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Is "post-playing career" an appropriate title for a section in a biography of a footballer who went on to become both a coach and a sporting director? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:45, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
This article is today's Featured Article - but doesn't follow standard naming conventions, unless I am mistaken? See Talk:Arsenal Women 11–1 Bristol City Women#Title please. Giant Snowman 09:09, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Adigabrek has created Category:Fenerbahçe S.K. supporters. Is that a valid category? Robby.is.on ( talk) 12:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi, if a player makes his senior team debut by playing in Coppa Italia Serie C, would that make him pass WP:FOOTYN? All 60 clubs which participate in this competition are from Serie C and it is a fully professional league. So I was just wondering... Kokoeist ( talk) 14:33, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
A recent query at Teahouse led me to Greenlandic Football Championship. I saw that each season has its own article (each with only on ref, from the league), and each team is the subject of an article, mostly with either no ref or only one ref. I have no feelings one way or the other for either football or Greenland, but do wonder about the validity of this large collection of articles. I posted this at Teahouse, but was advised to re-post here. Do any Wikipedia-football-knowledgeable editors want to comment? David notMD ( talk) 17:10, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
In recent days, Liberty Stadium has been moved to Swansea.com Stadium and Madejski Stadium to Select Car Leasing Stadium, without a discussion taking place in either case. As far as I can tell, these are only temporary 10-year sponsorship deals 1 2 and long-established consensus is we do not use sponsorship names for stadium articles. Any thoughts on this? LTFC 95 ( talk) 16:55, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Liberty Stadium was a sponsored name - Liberty is a local company. Number 5 7 20:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
known as Ashburton Grove prior to sponsorship, and as Arsenal Stadium for UEFA competitions, so sounds like there is. -- SuperJew ( talk) 21:08, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Don't forget we use official (non-sponsored) names, not common names - hence why we have an article about Boleyn Ground, even though as a kid I only ever heard it referred to as 'Upton Park' in the media. Giant Snowman 22:26, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2019 Kerteh F.C. season was ended prematurely by the creator as they moved the article to draft while the AfD was still in progress. Please could an admin revert this move? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:08, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
When a club changes name, do we rename all the past seasons with the current club name or the club name at the time of the season? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 01:41, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi! For clubs that are not longer existing/are defunct, what happens with their "squad" navigational template? I can see us maintaining a main club template and manager list one but players don't seem needed if the club no longer has any. Thoughts? Example is Template:Mumbai Tigers F.C. squad. Cheers. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 13:34, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Could someone please rename correctly with WP:CFD the categories of En Avant Guingamp? They are currently still "En Avant de Guingamp", the former name of the club. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
are those treatd as separate spells? like im pretty sure they are, but the Leam Richardson page has constantly combined his caretaker spell from 13 november 2020 to april 21 2021, and then his permanent role from april 21 to now as one combined spell instead of two spearate spells. im pretty sure these are supposed to be split into two differnet spells? also where can I find player stats for him since hes now a manager, I think someone's expanded his infobox stats to be *all* his appearances, rather than only league. Muur ( talk) 15:25, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Motherwellfc ( talk · contribs) is claiming to have links to the club, and is changing a player bio citing their own website, rather than the numerous other sources which contradict it. More eyes needed please. Giant Snowman 15:52, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Interesting case. Seems that the user should certainly be informed of WP:COI and the like. But regarding the content dispute, it seems we have a clash between two sources - Irish Examiner newspaper and Motherwell's official site. So the question is how do we decide between them. -- SuperJew ( talk) 16:37, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Wexford Weekly also says born in Wexford; GSA says born in Clonroche, as does World Football. LCFC says "Born and raised in Ireland, he came over to England to play for City in August 2019, signing his first professional contract in the process". Now why would his local media and previous club all be wrong, and his current club correct? Giant Snowman 18:35, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
no, him being born in England and moving to Ireland at a young age does not make him English (see also Pascal Jansen). We go on what sources tell us. Sources say he is Irish (even Motherwell!) and until he tweeted about it, sources said he was born in Ireland, hence why we rely upon that. If you do not understand that key point then you should not be editing until you do. Giant Snowman 10:17, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
It has been bought to my own eyes that at the very bottom of the page there are " #invoke:citation/CS1 " links at the final few references and the "template:Association football" link at the end above the categories. It looks like there are too many references to the article which seems to display what I've said. When I've clicked on the edit section of "Wales" and pressed the Show preview button, these references are displayed properly as normal. I seem to recall a football player with a large amount of references having the same problem in the past. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 17:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Agreed re "put them in both pages" as multiple occurences are visible on various pages already. I was wondering if Eric Young was related to some Inces which I now see he is related to Rohan Ince as uncle-nephew but I could not check yesterday due to the template errors. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 13:29, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
I've got a player who has no article in Wikipedia. He made no appearance in his domestic league, but has made two appearance and scored a goal in the second tier continental tournament. So the question is, will these options fulfill NFOOTY for he player to have his own article? Ken Tony Shall we discuss? 12:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
An IP has changed the existing article at Lytham F.C. to suggest that the current West Lancashire League team Lytham Town F.C. is a continuation of the club that dissolved in 1985. Is this correct? DelUsion23 (talk) 16:42, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Castro made his debut for WBA earlier this evening, and it seems despite his young age, he is already something of a non-league journeyman (I might have even seen him play for Norwich CBS), and I am having some difficulty piecing together his non-league career:
Firstly, I do not have access to The Athletic (despite how many times the lovely Joe Devine has has offered a 30-day free trial or whatever) so the article may be able to be expanded using the material from this article, if anyone has a subscription. Secondly, as far as I know he was never under any kind of contract at Ipswich, with the EADT source in the article saying he had a trial in 2019 and a trial there in 2020, but this describes his spell at Leiston as a loan from Ipswich, so how should this be treated in the infobox and the prose. Thirdly, I don't have anything on his time at Mildenhall Town, Thetford Town or Norwich CBS other than sources that namedrop them as former clubs.
I'm a bit scatterbrained today so it might be best if I left this alone for a while, and let someone else probe into this. Many thanks as ever, Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 22:19, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Background information you may already be familiar (or tired of hearing) on this subject: FC Steaua București, was or is the most notable football club from Romania. All of the Romanian clubs belonged to the state in one form or another, and following the Romanian Revolution in 1989 they had to turn private. Steaua only turned private after nine years in 1998, and since then its history and record have been "cut in pieces" by Romanian courts.
When Gigi Becali became the owner of Steaua in 2003, he founded a new public share company which continued to play in the country's first division as well as European Competitons. After disagreements between him and the Ministry of National Defense (which owns CSA Steaua București sports club), he lost the "Steaua" name and logo in court in 2017, and changed its name to FCSB accordingly. CSA Steaua refounded its football department that year too.
Moving on to 2021, FCSB has continued to be considered by football governing agencies UEFA ( 1986 European Champions Cup awarded to FCSB, UEFA Brochure for Euro 2020) and Liga Profesionista de Fotbal as the continuation of the original FC Steaua Bucuresti. The things again again complicated after CSA has won the honours up to 1998 in Romanian Court this summer. It will be interesting to see how UEFA and LPF react to this, since the court decision states that the honours between 1998–2003 cannot be attributed to either entity.
I am not biased in any way regarding this dispute, I support another club from Romania and I only want to help Wikipedia get everything in order. If you need me to provide sources for everything I wrote here, I can. You can read the Talk:CSA Steaua București (football)#RfC on this article's content, which I also started a few years ago and has more sources.
My suggestion: After discussing with Certes who is part of the WikiProject Disambiguation, I realised that there are too many pages that redirect to FCSB or CSA Steaua or Steaua Bucuresti or whatever. Since the term Steaua București only refers to football teams, I believe it should be the disambig article all Redirect pages redirect to. Since we cannot reach a consensus on which club is the REAL owner of the old honours, this would result that when accessing Laszlo Boloni's page for example, the FC Steaua Bucuresti link would redirect to the Steaua Bucuresti page when the situation is explained in detail and the User can choose which article he wants to read. This not the case for footballers who recently played for FCSB or CSA, of course.
The situation is explained very well on FC Steaua București article and I think the content should be moved to Steaua București. This is a sandbox of how the article should look like.
Articles suggested to be turned into redirect pages for Steaua București (some of them already are):
8Dodo8 ( talk · contribs) 13:03, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
I have started a related discussion about neutral wording of disambiguation page descriptions at Talk:Steaua_București#FCSB. Certes ( talk) 13:01, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
fight between few players pages and list on this article
2021–22 Calcutta Premier Division
@ Messi Khar and Discospinster: involved — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.108.177 ( talk • contribs)
Can we protect the page? Got charged with a couple rapes, and there's already vandalization on the page.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 16:06, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
This his been tagged for no sources since 2009. If anyone can help it would be appreciated. Best. 4meter4 ( talk) 00:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Stefan Bajić (footballer, born 2001) made 0 appearances for the France Olympic team at the Olympics. Should it be included in his infobox? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 20:08, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Easy question: what should be done regarding Jerusalem as a place of birth in infoboxes? Should it be displayed as Jerusalem, Palestine for Palestinian players and Jerusalem, Israel for Israeli players (which is what Global Sports Archive and National-Football-Teams do)? Or should we just display Jerusalem without a country? This is following a bit of edit warring at Oday Dabbagh. Nehme 1499 21:03, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Both Israelis and Palestinians claim Jerusalem as their capital. [...] Neither claim, however, is widely recognized internationally. Nehme 1499 21:14, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
My initial thought was to say 'Israel'. But we could do something like on Mohamed Hadid, who was born in an area when it was more disputed, and just say city but not country? Giant Snowman 22:25, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Israel claims the whole of Jerusalem as its capital, while the Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state. The US is one of only a handful of countries to recognise the city as Israel's capital.Seems to me from this, that Palestine is not a current state and therefore Jerusalem cannot be part of Palestine. -- SuperJew ( talk) 05:29, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
It depends on which bit of Jerusalem they were born in. For people born in West Jerusalem (which has always been part of Israel), it should be fine to say Jerusalem, Israel. For people born in East Jerusalem (which includes Dabbagh), is probably best not to list a country. Number 5 7 12:22, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
I want to make this clear, because this discussion is turning into "is Palestine a state?": my question solely regards what the appropriate way to display Jerusalem in the infobox is. Whether or not a territory is a valid state according to someone or not according to someone else isn't the focus of this discussion. We also display "Hong Kong", "Kosovo" and "England" in the infobox, and have never had any issue in doing so. The only two sensible solutions are "Jerusalem, Israel" for Israelis and "Jerusalem, Palestine" for Palestinians (which is what the reliable sources I provided above do), or just "Jerusalem" (which is what we are apparently doing for Natalie Portman). Nehme 1499 14:16, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Full protection required, asap. I would myself, but having made a revert I don't feel adequately uninvolved to do so. Mattythewhite ( talk) 16:47, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Can someone please protect the page? It's getting a bit out of hand. Nehme 1499 13:52, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Could someone verify the name of Junior Marsoni Sambu? So many sources are saying so many different things. I don't know what to believe. I chose Junior Marsoni Sambu for now. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 02:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Junior Fabrice Sambu Mansoni [a] (born 3 June 1996), or simply Fabrice Sambu, [b] is a Belgian professional footballer.... Nehme 1499 12:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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Is it me, or is that rather horrible display of statistics on this season page? Govvy ( talk) 22:58, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello. How can I disambiguate Samir (Cape Verdean footballer) and Samir (Moroccan footballer)? I can't find anything about the Moroccan Samir suggesting he was a footballer; all I find about him is that he was/is a football manager. In that case, should I move the Cape Verdean footballer to Samir (footballer) and the Moroccan football manager to Samir (football manager), and leave a note at the top? Or should I do something different? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:58, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Do we really need this? We've never had template like this for Champions League or Europa League as far as I am aware. Thoughts? Govvy ( talk) 10:00, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
How is it any different from having a navbox for the premier League, and then other cup competitions? And, also, why just the group Stages? Seems super arbitrary. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Okay, appears not wanted by the majority so have sent to TfD. Govvy ( talk) 10:04, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
At what stage should squad templates for amateur clubs be deleted? When clubs reach regional divisions? Or do we just keep squad templates forever even if a club keeps on being relegated. I'm thinking of {{ Gazélec Ajaccio squad}} who is in the Championnat National 2, the fourth tier in France. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:02, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Could someone review which players in Category:R.F.C. Seraing players actually played for R.F.C. Seraing (1922) and not R.F.C. Seraing (1904), because Category:R.F.C. Seraing players (which will be moved) currently should have the players of the 1904 club only. The category of players for the 1922 club is currently at Category:Royal Football Club Seraing players. Thank you! Paul Vaurie ( talk) 00:36, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
I've just noticed that an editor is adding location maps to articles on football coaches, is this a normal thing to include in the article? It seems slightly odd to me, the contents of the article don't really seem to fit a map very well. Does anyone else have any thoughts on these, are they worth keeping or should they be removed? Some examples: [2] [3] [4]. 192.76.8.74 ( talk) 04:43, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Is anyone else having "privacy error" issues with NFT? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 01:44, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Looks to have been fixed, website working for me. Giant Snowman 14:33, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
I can't see in history, but what happened to cite#2 ? It's popping an error message at the moment. Govvy ( talk) 11:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi folks. How does one deal with a relatively new editor who is surprisingly familiar with how Wikipedia works? Do I request a sockpuppet investigation right away? I don't know who the sockmaster or what their previous account may be. Robby.is.on ( talk) 08:32, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Landry Romeo Goore was unanimously kept at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goore Landry Romeo back in 2010 due to the sourcing showing multiple appearances in the Thai Premier League, however, this does not seem to be the case. Searching "Landry Romeo Goore" and "Goore Landry Romeo" comes up with nothing other than an empty Transfermarkt page. It appeared to be kept due to this hi5 page, which I have rescued from Web Archive. hi5, in my view, is an unacceptable source as it's a social media site, like Facebook, MySpace etc. I would be apprehensive sending this to AfD given the previous discussion showing such a clear keep consensus but I'm also concerned that we might be looking at a hoax here or at least an unverifiable BLP. I also find the other source to be unreliable and also note that it has him down as a goalkeeper, for some reason. Can anyone find a source that verifies that this footballer existed and meets notability criteria? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:11, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Can someone please protect his article for a bit? The vandalism since his move to Everton was announced has been crazy. Thanks. Rupert1904 ( talk) 22:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Do you think there is a possibility on merging UEFA A Licence, UEFA B Licence, and UEFA Pro Licence into one article called UEFA coaching licences perhaps? And then having sections for each type of licence? Because I don't think the A and B licences are notable on their own. Who else thinks that a merge is a good idea? If there is some support, we can start a merge discussion. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 19:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the support. I will try and start a merge discussion soon. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 04:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Can someone please do something about Bergenoslo's behaviour at Italy national football team? They keep reverting any edit they disagree with, and labeling them disruptive. They have opened two sections at Talk:Italy national football team, without taking their time to actually answer Dr Salvus and I's comments. Nehme 1499 18:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for reporting the truth @ HornetMike and @ Felixsv7, at least there are still some decent and honest people on Wikipedia. As I reported above, I have been violently attacked and threatened several times to be blocked by the users @Nehme 1499 and @Dr Salvus only because I restored standard content that they deliberately removed without discussing it on the talk page or providing any kind of reason. They did disruptive editing and then they had the nerve to threatened me just because I restored the information that they removed. -- Bergenoslo ( talk) 13:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
The squads haven't been updated for various teams for this round of internationals, which is the first time in a while. If anyone has time to take a look and is able to make adjustments, it would probabbly be a big help. All of the UEFA squads are updated, but the rest in general are not.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 22:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I was going through the GAR requests at WP:GAR and there are a few for African women’s football teams. The main editor of these articles is no longer here so I was interested if anyone from a related project might be interested in picking them up. They basically need updating as the last substantial verifiable edits were in 2012. There are issues with uncited statements and other general fixes needed too. The ones with GA requests are Rwanda women's national football team, Burundi women's national football team and Central African Republic women's national football team. There are other articles like Gambia women's national football team, Madagascar women's national football team etc (see ) that have similar issues. I don’t think it would take much effort to update these as they don’t seem to play a lot of games. The issue is finding sources. It would be a shame to delist them so hoping someone is keen to have a look at them. Aircorn (talk) 23:11, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
It doesn't seem right to me that his lead sections say he is a "Croatian-born Swedish professional footballer" when he was born in Bosnia to Croatian parents. Shouldn't it say "Bosnian-born Swedish professional footballer"? Or born in Bosnia to Croatian parents? Or am I totally getting this wrong? I remember there was a lot of discussion recently around nationality and Raheem Sterling so want to make sure that Branimir's article is accurate as well. Thanks for any input. Rupert1904 ( talk) 01:59, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
What about a situation such as Nicolás Galvis. He was born in Columbia and moved to Canada as a child and he received call-ups to the Canadian national team, but didn't make an appearance and stayed on the bench. Given he was actually on the Canadian roster, seems a bit odd to list him as Columbian, but can't really use Ortizesp's Born in X, but represents Y, because he doesn't have an official cap. RedPatch ( talk) 13:01, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I'm posting this here so there can hopefully be more comment at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Serie A Footballer of the Year/archive2 after Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Serie A Footballer of the Year/archive1 was closed due to inactivity. There is also a similar article that passed some years ago for your reference Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Serie A Coach of the Year/archive1. Thanks, Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 13:14, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Created in a format similar to Template:2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group tables. The template allows the editor transcluding it to add parameter such as round, format, bg, result & class, good for use in a team's season page, for example.
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|LAS_MTA}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|LAS_ALA}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|LAS_HJK}}
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{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|GEN_FLO|format=1|round=2|bg=EEEEEE}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|GEN_ANO|format=1|round=3|result=W|class=collapsible}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|LAS_MTA}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|LAS_ALA}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|LAS_HJK}}
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{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|GEN_FLO|format=1|round=2|bg=EEEEEE}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|GEN_ANO|format=1|round=3|result=W|class=collapsible}}
Ping me if you have any questions regarding the usage of the template. I believe it will prevent many matchbox duplications and help keep information updated. Deancarmeli ( talk) 15:16, 28 August 2021 (UTC) Edited. Deancarmeli ( talk) 15:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
I agree this template is also not needed. Please can somebody send to TFD? Giant Snowman 11:44, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
May anyone, please, discuss in their comment the merit of the template?
Yes, it is new.
Yes, it is a bit different from what you may know.
Nonetheless, it provides significant benefits, as in usage of a single matchbox across multiple articles, that shouldn't be ignored. The same logic applies for using
Template:2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group tables, so why shuldn't we use
Template:2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches?
Deancarmeli (
talk)
12:11, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
I think this is a good premise for a template. That way when the Fooian team A plays Templetonian team B in the X league, the result can be updated once in the template instead of on the X league page, on team A's season page, on team B's season page, on "Fooian clubs in X league" page, on "Templetonian clubs in X league" page, etc. The general gist of "I don't like it because I don't like it and hasn't been done before" is not very helpful to conversation or to going forward and improving. -- SuperJew ( talk) 13:04, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Have also sent this to TfD for those that are interested. Govvy ( talk) 15:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Created documentation of the template
in its talk page and transcluded it to its header.
Deancarmeli (
talk)
15:38, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Are Soccerbase and/or Soccerway reliable for players date of birth? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 19:36, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
It has been brought to my suspicion that one of Wikipedia's experienced users could be using a newly created account to evade a current block which was applied today. Full details here. Also the user page was just created with the first sentence about "not engage in any edit war.". I'd say myself, and also Hjk1106, are possibly right about block evasion (per User talk:Hjk1106#September 2021. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 16:15, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Please find below an idea I have thought of, as Soccer Aid is today and I was thinking to myself of an alternate version based on Wikipedia.
User:Iggy the Swan/SoccerAid Wikipedia 2021
Not sure how accurate this may be in terms of the teams I listed.
Thanks, Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 08:46, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Came across this lower division German league page while editing a player's page. Landesliga Bayern-Mitte (2012) is in the current German sixth tier. A former league until 2012 was the Landesliga Bayern-Mitte, currently holding primary topic title, when it probably shouldn't. How do league's get properly disambiguated? RedPatch ( talk) 12:51, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
{{
Navbox visibility}} says: Templates using the classes class=navbox
({{
navbox}}) or class=nomobile
({{
sidebar}}) are not displayed on the
mobile web site of English Wikipedia. Mobile page views account for approximately 66% of all page views (90-day average as of January 2024
[update]). {{
Manchester United F.C.}}, {{
Chelsea F.C.}}, {{
Liverpool F.C.}}, {{
Real Madrid CF}} and all the others are beautiful creations based on hard work using Navbox but they are invisible and by that their links are unusable for the majority of our users. To check just click on "Mobile view" at the very bottom of the page in question. Can we kick off a vote for the development of a technical solution?
Ruedi33a (
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16:50, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
What should we call an option to make a loan deal permanent? An "option to buy", "option-to-buy", or "buy option"? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 04:56, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
"option to sign permanently" its ok.who else NeonDone ( talk) 12:37, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Danilo Pereira (footballer) joined Paris Saint-Germain F.C. on 24 May 2021; his loan had an obligation to buy if PSG finished in the top 2 of the league. The option was triggered as PSG came second, and Danilo joined the club permanently. This transfer happened outside a window, a bit like Weston McKennie's transfer. Should we include it in the transfers section of the 2021–22 Paris Saint-Germain F.C. season or the 2020–21 Paris Saint-Germain F.C. season? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 23:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I am not sure if this is the way it should be viewed, but it became an obligation only after the end of the season when PSG finished in top 2, which means the player was on loan from Porto even for the last match of the season. So the transfer should be counted for 21/22 season imo. Kokoeist ( talk) 05:58, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
In that case, what is the date of the transfer? 1 July 2021 or 23 May 2021, the last match of the season? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:39, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Just a heads up... as the title says, Berliner FC Dynamo is, at time of writing, the third longest article on Wikipedia. The user EriFr has clearly put in an astonishing amount of effort over the last two years that must be respected, but the article is clearly too long, and I wouldn't know where to even begin trimming it. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 01:12, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
As someone who has also gone down the rabbit hole of greatly researching and expanding a lower tier club article, I totally get the dedication to it. Sometimes it can be fascinating. In terms of what to do about the short history section once you create the second article, one simple suggestion might be to just go back into the article's history and just copy what was there before your edits. I just jumped back to 2019 and saw this old revision that's of a reasonable length (though not fully 100% cited), but could serve as a temporary basis. RedPatch ( talk) 02:15, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Can Transfermarkt be used as a reliable source for match reports? Debankan talk 10:49, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
I have been trawling through Module:Sports table trying to see how I can modify a league table that has an extra column for points per game, but I cannot clearly see how I can make this easily. Can anyone direct me to an actual example of a league table which is ordered by points per game rather than aggregate points, and I will use that as my guide? Thanks. Matilda Maniac ( talk) 07:53, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
You might have read that this guy recently saved a Ronaldo penalty. My view is 'big whoop, he's a goalkeeper' - however an IP @ 89.101.121.132: thinks this, and other penalty saves, should be included in his bio. Thoughts? Giant Snowman 15:25, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
The same IP is repeatedly adding U21 stats to the Liam Scales article, citing individual match reports (but getting it wrong - first they said it was 5 then they said it was 6). Can somebody please intervene? Giant Snowman 11:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
I'd like some views on 2021–22 Scottish Amateur Cup. As you can tell from the name, it's only for amateur teams. A few are notable because the winners qualify for the 'big' Scottish Cup and it is totally fine to have an overview article on the competition, but my feeling is that standalone article's on this or any specific season are excessive and probably do not meet GNG or FOOTY requirements. The only references currently are from the Amateur FA themselves, and a tweet from one of the clubs, I doubt there'd be much more than that in terms of coverage until the semi-finals, and even then only local press. Crowsus ( talk) 14:41, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
want to block the latest of these... thanks, Struway2 ( talk) 11:10, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
JJMC89 bot constantly removes the Sampdoria's logo. It says that the photo is not a free image but it is not true (it also has not removed the photo in the men's team). What should be done? Dr Salvus 14:08, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Good morning!
Just to be sure i haven't missed out on anything regarding the footy guidelines (rules change, of course), in the case i have, i apologise for the (editorial) inconvenience...
Do we still write "...is a footballer who plays for...", without mentioning the country (it is mentioned, but below in the lede) or not? Two examples: tried that at Bruno Gaspar, was reverted without one word of explanation. Tried to converse with the user, was reverted at their page without one inch of reply.
Worse, much worse, at Raphaël Guerreiro: for removing "Portuguese" in the lede (when it's explained in the latter part of lede "Born in France, Guerreiro represented Portugal at under-21 and senior level..."), was not only reverted but insulted in the most vile of manners, as several other users have (@ Crowsus: might confirm this, for example).
I'd like to finish as i started: if we now write the nationalities of the players per national team currently represented (i.e. "Bruno Gaspar is an Angolan professional footballer..." instead of the previous guideline "Bruno Gaspar is a professional footballer...", please accept my apologies and be sure i will abide by the (new) guideline from now on.
Attentively -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 08:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
I think that's being dealt with at ANI.Unfortunately, since I posted the report four days ago, very little has happened and I've had to add a comment to prevent the discussion from being archived automatically. I am puzzled as to why no admin has taken care of the problem. Maybe you could weigh in there, Crowsus? Robby.is.on ( talk) 10:12, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Very good point @ Nehme1499:, thanks for input! -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 12:42, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Hey! I need help making fixes for the GA review going on at Thomas Tuchel. Could someone/some people help? Thanks. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:39, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
I was just looking at the article and clicked State Treasury in the info box, which just directs to the Treasury article, is there not a better target?? Govvy ( talk) 20:47, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Anyone want to take a crack at fixing this career stats table at Tariq Kazi? It's a bit of a mess. (Found it when seeing a user who posted an image to a page I created which was a copyright violation also uploaded a copyvio image here (which I also nominated for deletion on the commons)) RedPatch ( talk) 15:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
I saw that on Pau López, "loan" was linked in the opening sentence. Should we do that? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:32, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a move discussion going on about renaming Swansea's stadium from the old to the current name it is using at the moment. There are not many page watchers watching this article or page views on the talk page so I am alerting you here to be aware of the move discussion. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 17:16, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello. I just created the article of
Delwin Fraser, a Guyanese footballer. His brother
Delroy Fraser also made appearances for Guyana and I am creating his article right now. I have an issue with his birth date. In
this article, it says that Delroy is the older brother of Delwin. Delwin was born on 11 July 1986 according to various sources (will get back to that sooon). However,
according to NFT (
and WorldFootball.net), Delroy is born on 26 October 1986, making him younger than Delwin.
FootballCritic says that he was born on 28 July 1988, and
Transfermarkt (although technically not a reliable source) says he was born on 26 October 1983.
Due to the Guyana Chronicle article stating that Delroy is the older brother of Delwin, I personally feel more inclined to believe Transfermarkt's 1983 date, despite the hate towards the website. I came to write this to ask what y'all thought of this weird situation. As of now on
Delroy Fraser, I will leave the birth date blank.
I said I would get back about Delwin Fraser's birth date; according to most sources, he is born on 11 July 1986. However, the
Grenada Football Association claims he was born on 14 April 1982. I ignored this since all other sources said the contrary.
Paul Vaurie (
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01:49, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Anybody else want to chime in apart from Nehme1499? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 02:18, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Jorge Fernandez given that his daughter is doing well currently is in the news and well referenced to be a former international professional footballer. Apparently he played in Guayaquil and over South America and potentially Canada seeing as he grew up partly there. However I cannot find any sources to say which clubs he played for nor any of his stats. Assuming he was good enough to earn an international cap at some point and was fully pro, I'm not sure where to look? I am not a Spanish speaker nor well versed in Americas football and he does have a popular name so that doesn't help. Any help much appreciated. Abcmaxx ( talk) 23:58, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Well then there are 3 options; either 1. he has publicly lied about his past 2. he played a long time ago for some pretty obscure clubs or 3. He played under a different name or nickname Abcmaxx ( talk) 11:38, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Sure, I would agree with that. He could have been in the U8 squad for all we know. However I'm still intrigued as to which clubs he played for, assumingly didn't have a particularly illustrious career but I find it hard to believe there no information about that at all Abcmaxx ( talk) 14:46, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Honestly it's probably a poor journalism. It was probably "Did you play tennis as a child like Leylah?" "No, I played football/soccer" meaning that was the game he played for fun, not necessarily that he played pro. RedPatch ( talk) 19:56, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Good Morning, is it necessary to add matches that were postponed in club season articles? I did put them in but one edit got reverted and quoted "Unnecessary inclusion of a match that is not taking place. Please do not include in future". Can I have some feedback on weather it should or shouldn't be please.
-- Skyblueshaun ( talk) 08:51, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Inspectormusic ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Can someone have a look to @ Inspectormusic:? They do continue to violate the MoS about footballers despite two warnings Dr Salvus 05:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
A friendly between a senior national team and a different country's U23 team doesn't count as a cap, correct? Has to be senior vs senior (or U23 vs U23, U20/U20, etc) right? RedPatch ( talk) 17:08, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
If anyone wants a player to edit about, there is Dwain Jacobs. His playing career's dates are unclear. If someone would like to take a closer look and clarify the dates using sources that would be beneficial to the article. I left the dates blank due to the conflicts between sources. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:47, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
It is standard procedure on footballer biographies to omit the nationality from the lede if a player was born and raised in one country but represented another at international level. Please can somebody inform @ Dealer07: regarding Zeca (footballer, born 1988) who has been reverting an IP and me and ignored our talk page posts... Giant Snowman 14:59, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Back in 2010, Raheem Sterling's article was deleted on the grounds that he was deemed non-notable. One contributor described him as a "footballer who hasn't made it" (he was 15 years old at the time). Just a random bit of amusement for a Monday afternoon..... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 15:41, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
The Poznań is fairly well-written. I think it's a decent article we should keep. However, is The Bouncy really notable on its own? I think it could be merged as an "alternative" of The Poznan. Who else agrees? Opinions? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 02:02, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Is it me or is this template list craft? Govvy ( talk) 09:27, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
{{ 100 players who shook the Kop}}
It definitely isn't a Hall of Fame. As Chris said above, it's a fan poll that has been run two or three times. If the last one was in 2013 and they run it again now, how many of Klopp's players are going to be voted in? Best to delete it, I think. No Great Shaker ( talk) 14:55, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
There is an edit war over including the photo of Drogba at the List of footballers with 100 or more Premier League goals by TheRealGutripper. The photo was originally removed by an IP editor because the caption said "only African footballer to score 100 goal". I restored the picture changing the caption to "the first African footballer to score 100 goals". This was reverted by TheRealGutripper, so I reverted with the suggestion that they get consensus on talk page to change the picture. This suggestion was ignored and TheRealGutripper reverted again with the edit summary "Photo caption not cited", although this editor saw no need for a citation in this edit expanding the caption to the Michael Owen picture. — Jts1882 | talk 07:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Does playing for national teams that don't represent actual countries (like Martinique, Gibraltar, or French Guiana) confer notability for players appearing in that match per WP:NFOOTY? How can I tell if a match is FIFA-recognized? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 01:36, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
competitive senior international match at confederation level regardless of whether or not the teams are members of FIFA, or the Olympic Games. So when Martinique play in the CONCACAF Nations League or Gold Cup, the players used in those matches would be presumed notable because it's at confederation level. It wouldn't apply to players who are capped in friendlies or competitions below confederation level, for example, players capped by Kiribati at the 2011 Pacific Games. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 08:34, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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Hello. At around the two-minute mark in this interview, Kays Ruiz-Atil reveals that he went from FC Gerland to Olympique Lyonnais and back to FC Gerland before signing for FC Barcelona. Should we include this in his youth career in his article's infobox? And how should we source that? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 12:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Could someone explain to my why Nicklas redirects to Nicklas Bendtner? It doesn’t make any sense to me. Neither does the Lord Bendtner redirect make sense. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 12:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
How can we fit in Strasbourg B in Idriss Saadi? The current way looks weird with the loan underneath. Note that he only played for Strasbourg B in 2018 (2 games). Paul Vaurie ( talk) 13:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Something I proposed in the past for players who go to the B team temporarily is to put the arrow like we do for loans, but not the word loan. RedPatch ( talk) 13:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
I've created a RM to Segunda División B and Tercera División, to rename them to Segunda División RFEF and Tercera División RFEF, respectively. Although they might seem clearly a continuity to the aforementioned divisions, a discussion was raised here before, which I failed to see a clear consensus, and despite that, my RM was accepted a month ago or so. Because of those moves, I have created a CfD to the cats related to those divisions (players and managers for now), but @ GiantSnowman: asked to raise the issue here as he opposed to it. @ Crowsus: also created a category for Segunda RFEF ( Category:Segunda División RFEF), so I think the discussion should be brought up here again, because we need to define how we should approach these divisions.
My suggestion is to rename those cats and merge Category:Segunda División B into Category:Segunda División RFEF, but I would like to see some opinions. BRDude70 ( talk) 18:24, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
A user (@ Mitch Ames:) has used AWB to remove valid categories such as Category:Greek football managers and Category:Australian soccer coaches from articles (now reverted). However, they were not tagged as non-diffusing, hence the confusion - should we run a bot or similar to tag all parent categories in Category:Association football managers by nationality (and Category:Association football players by nationality to avoid further confusion? Giant Snowman 06:11, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
participants in a WikiProject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope.Mitch Ames ( talk) 10:25, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
they just need to be tagged appropriately— Then please do that. Mitch Ames ( talk) 12:04, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Pizzi (Portuguese footballer) was moved to Pizzi (footballer) without any discussion, and there are other footballers called Pizzi. Is this okay? SLBedit ( talk) 16:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi folks. Craig Short's profile image is in urgent need of cropping. Insert pun here… ;-) Robby.is.on ( talk) 21:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Jack Reynolds (footballer, born 1869) is lacking quite a few inline citations. If someone could help add some it would be appreciated. Nehme 1499 14:59, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Could someone create and upload the new Watford kits. home and away kits have been announced by the club and they even wore the new home strip against Villa yesterday. I can create kits but these are above my level. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 16:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be better insert the number of the tier for each team in the football box collapsible? Dr Salvus 23:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Some eyes and clean up on Leandro Campaz, a Colombian footballer, would be good; see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#WP:BLP help at Leandro Campaz. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 00:56, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Is American coaches of foreign national soccer teams really a notable article? Looking at both of the previous deletion discussions, the keep votes make significantly worse arguments than the delete voters and the delete voters outnumber the keep voters. This article is clearly a U.S.-biased fancruft. Either a deletion review or a 3rd deletion discussion needs to be made in order to sort things out once and for all. KingSkyLord ( talk | contribs) 04:20, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
..... check out Masayuki Okano -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:01, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Why are there lot of pages about season clubs who don't meet our MoS? Dr Salvus 21:01, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Firstly, as I've said in almost every discussion on this subject, if we want the MoS to be consistent and the consensus is to have the info in table form, then the template should be changed as it is highly doubtful that any editor will go back and change hundreds-thousands of pages from thier current footballbox collapsible form to the table. Also, as I've said my main issue against the table and per template is that it makes editing harder and less available for less experienced users. I also think the collapsible footballbox looks better, but that is a weak argument. Furthermore @ PeeJay: why does it matter how much space the template/table takes? What is the extra whitespace used for? (for example on 2020–21 Manchester United F.C. season) It's just extra whitespace and doesn't have any value. Also, this is an online encyclopedia, not a printed version so there's no issue of taking up space on a page. -- SuperJew ( talk) 19:42, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Reposted and updated version of original now archived.
As main contributor to this article, I would like to flag up for attention of others on the project a number of candidates for the list that are already wiki-articled and known or believed to have been killed in or died as a result of circumstances brought on by the war (eg execution, in enemy captivity, effects of wounds etc) but which so far lack a reliable citation regarding their death which is preconditional to inclusion in the list. A few have no death circumstances described in the text of their article but I note have been put on category lists that suggest someone knew/believed they died in wartime circumstances. I also include those whose death circumstances are disputed - see their talk pages for further detail - and are in need of a conclusive ruling in or out.
There may be additions coming onto the list so I encourage watch this space! Others are welcome to add. Please let us know if sources are found and added into their articles. Cloptonson ( talk) 06:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
An IP and now a registered account keeps adding a sentence that Edwards is the only Forest Green manager to have a 100% record... three matches into his career, like it's a notable feat. I've maxed out my reverts, so if anyone else is willing to keep an eye on it, I'd appreciate it. Seasider53 ( talk) 20:04, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, there is a situation developing on Arsène Wenger's page and would definitely welcome some input; @ Bkhd12: has expanded the lead but I reverted the lead for these reasons:
I reverted the lead in keeping with WP:GAC, but Bkhd12 has refused to corporate or reach out here for opinions. So rather than getting into an edit war, I'd welcome some constructive feedback, cheers. Lemonade51 ( talk) 08:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- the revision to the para as the manager who has managed the most PL games/FA cups is extremely pertinent to include and has been omitted in @ Lemonade51:'s original version. - In my opinion, starting off the lead with 'widely known for managing Arsenal' then adding his achievements (most pl games/facups won) is more informative to a reader than a vague statement that he is the most successful. Which again could be debated considering Herbert Chapman by some (others will have to think, but I'd rather avoid the implication entirely and give a more objective fact)
- 'often considered one of the greatest managers' is again an allude to his reputation, which I've tried to cite [I can see clumsily, but there's some other solid sources there]. Definitely up for debate/consensus, I'd posit Ferguson, Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho pages who all include some interp of this phrase.
@ Lemonade51: responded to your commentary, just now
- Willing to yield the Hale End point (however there is some reference in the body by the way, "Several English players have started their careers at Arsenal under Wenger, such as Ashley Cole, David Bentley and Matthew Upson,[398] Wenger commented that an advantage of building his team around British players was the guarantee of stability[399]. ". Although the lack of this recognition makes the lead a bit unfinished I would argue. Especially as Lemonade51 added 'at Monaco Wenger earned a reputation for spotting young talent and developing a youth system' in the lead & is less relevant than his utilisation of Hale End. Perhaps one for future editors to ponder. I can definitely see Lemonade's criticism here
- Re:3rd para & Le Professeur tag, I would stick with my revision. Will try to cite 'upheaval of traditional english football culture'
- I reckon my expansion also made the article a bit more flowing & improved QoLs compared to the original. Original lead was jarring & terse in structure from para to para.
Again sorry for the late comment, looking for consensus instead of editwarfare haha Bkhd12 ( talk) 07:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Late comer to discussions. The lede needs rewriting entirely. It has clearly progressed through a too many cooks process over the years and needs a good hard prune and re-shape. There are stray sentences, that probably had context in the past, like Arsenal went 49 games unbeaten before 'Battle of the Buffet'.
and the flow is garbled and unclear. The opening few sentences in particular are poor summaries of Arsene He is often considered as one of the greatest managers of all time[4][5][6] and has managed the most Premier League games and won the most FA Cups of any manager.
is just odd, he isn't considered "greatest" for the two kind of throwaway add-ons to make up the sentence. He is recognised as a significant contributor to the globalisation and modernisation of professional football in the 21st century.
is... milquetoast. I notice Mourinho's article is somewhat guilty, but it at least segues directly into "one of the most decorated managers" which kind of justifies the praise. I am happy to work with both Bkhd and Lemonade on this, but I suggest taking it back to the Arsenal talk page and everyone having a cool down for a day or two while I draft better feedback and structure using your versions.
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I suggest taking it back to the Arsenal talk pageIndeed, no reason for a content dispute on a single article to take place here. Spike 'em ( talk) 17:05, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Template:2014 FA Cup Final line-up has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Dutchy45 ( talk) 12:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
I have just rediscovered the old merge conversation at Talk:Brentford F.C. and since the consensus seems to be yes I wanted to merge but am unsure as how to do it. Do I just move the history pages to the main one or will that not work? Also, History of Brentford F.C. (1986–present) is a GA. What will happen to that? Will it be lost? REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 17:12, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, I have started a discussion about a name change for the article Thakgalo Leshabela, in the announcement of his loan move today he appears to go by his middle name the same way Wilfred Ndidi does and wanted to see if anyone objects to me moving the page? Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 14:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
I wanted to know what is the standard template used for a national football team page's results section? The template on Indian national football team has been edited saying that it's the "new style", but according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams it's still the old one.
Footy2000 ( talk) 03:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
My preference - and one I see on most articles - is (roughly) dates of birth/death, then nationality, then clubs (in order), and leagues (in order). @ Geoff3Cae: has been re-organising article categories alphgatnbeticaly, which I think actually hinders navigation. What are thoughts? Giant Snowman 11:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Geoff3Cae: is continuing to violate CATORDER - please can somebody else have a word? @ Lee Vilenski and EchetusXe: Giant Snowman 12:34, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone. Something seems to have gone wrong with a page move at Jaminton Campaz. Talk:Jaminton Campaz now contains the content from the article. Is someone here able to fix it? Robby.is.on ( talk) 15:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello; Does a player made an appearance in 2021 AFC Cup is eligible to have an article in mainspace ? Thanks Poppified talk 12:55, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Kante4: Both Leagues are fully Proffessional leagues. Poppified talk 13:33, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Nehme1499 Kante4 Got it.Thanks for the reply. Poppified talk 13:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
So apparently Harry Wilson's transfer to Fulham is actually a loan deal with the transfer becoming permanent in July 2022 for 12 million, but the only places I can find this are tabloaids like the sun and daily mail and random people on twitter who obviously cant be used. anyone got a usable source that confirms this? Muur ( talk) 20:09, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I think it time to re-visit James Mitchell (footballer, born 1897) and consider updating the article both with new name and more accurate detail. I've added some notes on talk page to those written by others 18 months or so ago. RossRSmith ( talk) 04:44, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
László Bölöni is a former footballer and current manager born Mureș County, Romania. He is one of the most capped Romanian players, won the Romanian Footballer of the Year twice and coached the Romania national team. Outside Romania, he is possibly best known for promoting Cristiano Ronaldo to Sporting CP's first team. However, as his name suggest, he if of Hugarian/ Szekler origin and has clearly stated he feels more Hungarian than Romanian. His mother moved from Romania to Budapest sometime in her life. In 2021, he worked for Nemzeti Sport to analyse Hungary's games at the European Championship and he revealed his support of the Székely Land football team.
My question is if his ethnicity is considered notable. Per Wikipedia:Ethnicity is not notable, Ethnicity becomes notable if "The subject publicly self-identifies with the belief or orientation in question". Personally, I feel like his Hungarian heritage is part of who he is, and it's a little unfair not be mentioned at least once in the intro. But it's a matter of WP guidelines if it will happen or not. 8Dodo8 ( talk · contribs) 13:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Could someone please protect the Iraqi Premier League page? An IP keeps adding a load of empty sections to the page, most of these new sections like "20 Seasons Awards" have nothing to do with Iraqi Premier League and are copied from Premier League page, and they just include the text "complete the section" without any content. Thanks, Hashim-afc ( talk) 14:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm unsure about how a couple pages about a father-son pair should be named.
My question lies from the fact that both are technically Jr's so both could be renamed DNJ (soccer, born XXXX), but it may be best to rename father as "Dave Norman" and leave son as is, with hatnotes to each other. The last is what I think is best, but wanted to see some insights here first as RM sometimes get messy with counterproposals. RedPatch ( talk) 13:27, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Is "post-playing career" an appropriate title for a section in a biography of a footballer who went on to become both a coach and a sporting director? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:45, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
This article is today's Featured Article - but doesn't follow standard naming conventions, unless I am mistaken? See Talk:Arsenal Women 11–1 Bristol City Women#Title please. Giant Snowman 09:09, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Adigabrek has created Category:Fenerbahçe S.K. supporters. Is that a valid category? Robby.is.on ( talk) 12:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi, if a player makes his senior team debut by playing in Coppa Italia Serie C, would that make him pass WP:FOOTYN? All 60 clubs which participate in this competition are from Serie C and it is a fully professional league. So I was just wondering... Kokoeist ( talk) 14:33, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
A recent query at Teahouse led me to Greenlandic Football Championship. I saw that each season has its own article (each with only on ref, from the league), and each team is the subject of an article, mostly with either no ref or only one ref. I have no feelings one way or the other for either football or Greenland, but do wonder about the validity of this large collection of articles. I posted this at Teahouse, but was advised to re-post here. Do any Wikipedia-football-knowledgeable editors want to comment? David notMD ( talk) 17:10, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
In recent days, Liberty Stadium has been moved to Swansea.com Stadium and Madejski Stadium to Select Car Leasing Stadium, without a discussion taking place in either case. As far as I can tell, these are only temporary 10-year sponsorship deals 1 2 and long-established consensus is we do not use sponsorship names for stadium articles. Any thoughts on this? LTFC 95 ( talk) 16:55, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Liberty Stadium was a sponsored name - Liberty is a local company. Number 5 7 20:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
known as Ashburton Grove prior to sponsorship, and as Arsenal Stadium for UEFA competitions, so sounds like there is. -- SuperJew ( talk) 21:08, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Don't forget we use official (non-sponsored) names, not common names - hence why we have an article about Boleyn Ground, even though as a kid I only ever heard it referred to as 'Upton Park' in the media. Giant Snowman 22:26, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2019 Kerteh F.C. season was ended prematurely by the creator as they moved the article to draft while the AfD was still in progress. Please could an admin revert this move? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:08, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
When a club changes name, do we rename all the past seasons with the current club name or the club name at the time of the season? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 01:41, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi! For clubs that are not longer existing/are defunct, what happens with their "squad" navigational template? I can see us maintaining a main club template and manager list one but players don't seem needed if the club no longer has any. Thoughts? Example is Template:Mumbai Tigers F.C. squad. Cheers. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 13:34, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Could someone please rename correctly with WP:CFD the categories of En Avant Guingamp? They are currently still "En Avant de Guingamp", the former name of the club. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
are those treatd as separate spells? like im pretty sure they are, but the Leam Richardson page has constantly combined his caretaker spell from 13 november 2020 to april 21 2021, and then his permanent role from april 21 to now as one combined spell instead of two spearate spells. im pretty sure these are supposed to be split into two differnet spells? also where can I find player stats for him since hes now a manager, I think someone's expanded his infobox stats to be *all* his appearances, rather than only league. Muur ( talk) 15:25, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Motherwellfc ( talk · contribs) is claiming to have links to the club, and is changing a player bio citing their own website, rather than the numerous other sources which contradict it. More eyes needed please. Giant Snowman 15:52, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Interesting case. Seems that the user should certainly be informed of WP:COI and the like. But regarding the content dispute, it seems we have a clash between two sources - Irish Examiner newspaper and Motherwell's official site. So the question is how do we decide between them. -- SuperJew ( talk) 16:37, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Wexford Weekly also says born in Wexford; GSA says born in Clonroche, as does World Football. LCFC says "Born and raised in Ireland, he came over to England to play for City in August 2019, signing his first professional contract in the process". Now why would his local media and previous club all be wrong, and his current club correct? Giant Snowman 18:35, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
no, him being born in England and moving to Ireland at a young age does not make him English (see also Pascal Jansen). We go on what sources tell us. Sources say he is Irish (even Motherwell!) and until he tweeted about it, sources said he was born in Ireland, hence why we rely upon that. If you do not understand that key point then you should not be editing until you do. Giant Snowman 10:17, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
It has been bought to my own eyes that at the very bottom of the page there are " #invoke:citation/CS1 " links at the final few references and the "template:Association football" link at the end above the categories. It looks like there are too many references to the article which seems to display what I've said. When I've clicked on the edit section of "Wales" and pressed the Show preview button, these references are displayed properly as normal. I seem to recall a football player with a large amount of references having the same problem in the past. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 17:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Agreed re "put them in both pages" as multiple occurences are visible on various pages already. I was wondering if Eric Young was related to some Inces which I now see he is related to Rohan Ince as uncle-nephew but I could not check yesterday due to the template errors. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 13:29, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
I've got a player who has no article in Wikipedia. He made no appearance in his domestic league, but has made two appearance and scored a goal in the second tier continental tournament. So the question is, will these options fulfill NFOOTY for he player to have his own article? Ken Tony Shall we discuss? 12:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
An IP has changed the existing article at Lytham F.C. to suggest that the current West Lancashire League team Lytham Town F.C. is a continuation of the club that dissolved in 1985. Is this correct? DelUsion23 (talk) 16:42, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Castro made his debut for WBA earlier this evening, and it seems despite his young age, he is already something of a non-league journeyman (I might have even seen him play for Norwich CBS), and I am having some difficulty piecing together his non-league career:
Firstly, I do not have access to The Athletic (despite how many times the lovely Joe Devine has has offered a 30-day free trial or whatever) so the article may be able to be expanded using the material from this article, if anyone has a subscription. Secondly, as far as I know he was never under any kind of contract at Ipswich, with the EADT source in the article saying he had a trial in 2019 and a trial there in 2020, but this describes his spell at Leiston as a loan from Ipswich, so how should this be treated in the infobox and the prose. Thirdly, I don't have anything on his time at Mildenhall Town, Thetford Town or Norwich CBS other than sources that namedrop them as former clubs.
I'm a bit scatterbrained today so it might be best if I left this alone for a while, and let someone else probe into this. Many thanks as ever, Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 22:19, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Background information you may already be familiar (or tired of hearing) on this subject: FC Steaua București, was or is the most notable football club from Romania. All of the Romanian clubs belonged to the state in one form or another, and following the Romanian Revolution in 1989 they had to turn private. Steaua only turned private after nine years in 1998, and since then its history and record have been "cut in pieces" by Romanian courts.
When Gigi Becali became the owner of Steaua in 2003, he founded a new public share company which continued to play in the country's first division as well as European Competitons. After disagreements between him and the Ministry of National Defense (which owns CSA Steaua București sports club), he lost the "Steaua" name and logo in court in 2017, and changed its name to FCSB accordingly. CSA Steaua refounded its football department that year too.
Moving on to 2021, FCSB has continued to be considered by football governing agencies UEFA ( 1986 European Champions Cup awarded to FCSB, UEFA Brochure for Euro 2020) and Liga Profesionista de Fotbal as the continuation of the original FC Steaua Bucuresti. The things again again complicated after CSA has won the honours up to 1998 in Romanian Court this summer. It will be interesting to see how UEFA and LPF react to this, since the court decision states that the honours between 1998–2003 cannot be attributed to either entity.
I am not biased in any way regarding this dispute, I support another club from Romania and I only want to help Wikipedia get everything in order. If you need me to provide sources for everything I wrote here, I can. You can read the Talk:CSA Steaua București (football)#RfC on this article's content, which I also started a few years ago and has more sources.
My suggestion: After discussing with Certes who is part of the WikiProject Disambiguation, I realised that there are too many pages that redirect to FCSB or CSA Steaua or Steaua Bucuresti or whatever. Since the term Steaua București only refers to football teams, I believe it should be the disambig article all Redirect pages redirect to. Since we cannot reach a consensus on which club is the REAL owner of the old honours, this would result that when accessing Laszlo Boloni's page for example, the FC Steaua Bucuresti link would redirect to the Steaua Bucuresti page when the situation is explained in detail and the User can choose which article he wants to read. This not the case for footballers who recently played for FCSB or CSA, of course.
The situation is explained very well on FC Steaua București article and I think the content should be moved to Steaua București. This is a sandbox of how the article should look like.
Articles suggested to be turned into redirect pages for Steaua București (some of them already are):
8Dodo8 ( talk · contribs) 13:03, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
I have started a related discussion about neutral wording of disambiguation page descriptions at Talk:Steaua_București#FCSB. Certes ( talk) 13:01, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
fight between few players pages and list on this article
2021–22 Calcutta Premier Division
@ Messi Khar and Discospinster: involved — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.108.177 ( talk • contribs)
Can we protect the page? Got charged with a couple rapes, and there's already vandalization on the page.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 16:06, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
This his been tagged for no sources since 2009. If anyone can help it would be appreciated. Best. 4meter4 ( talk) 00:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Stefan Bajić (footballer, born 2001) made 0 appearances for the France Olympic team at the Olympics. Should it be included in his infobox? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 20:08, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Easy question: what should be done regarding Jerusalem as a place of birth in infoboxes? Should it be displayed as Jerusalem, Palestine for Palestinian players and Jerusalem, Israel for Israeli players (which is what Global Sports Archive and National-Football-Teams do)? Or should we just display Jerusalem without a country? This is following a bit of edit warring at Oday Dabbagh. Nehme 1499 21:03, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Both Israelis and Palestinians claim Jerusalem as their capital. [...] Neither claim, however, is widely recognized internationally. Nehme 1499 21:14, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
My initial thought was to say 'Israel'. But we could do something like on Mohamed Hadid, who was born in an area when it was more disputed, and just say city but not country? Giant Snowman 22:25, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Israel claims the whole of Jerusalem as its capital, while the Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state. The US is one of only a handful of countries to recognise the city as Israel's capital.Seems to me from this, that Palestine is not a current state and therefore Jerusalem cannot be part of Palestine. -- SuperJew ( talk) 05:29, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
It depends on which bit of Jerusalem they were born in. For people born in West Jerusalem (which has always been part of Israel), it should be fine to say Jerusalem, Israel. For people born in East Jerusalem (which includes Dabbagh), is probably best not to list a country. Number 5 7 12:22, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
I want to make this clear, because this discussion is turning into "is Palestine a state?": my question solely regards what the appropriate way to display Jerusalem in the infobox is. Whether or not a territory is a valid state according to someone or not according to someone else isn't the focus of this discussion. We also display "Hong Kong", "Kosovo" and "England" in the infobox, and have never had any issue in doing so. The only two sensible solutions are "Jerusalem, Israel" for Israelis and "Jerusalem, Palestine" for Palestinians (which is what the reliable sources I provided above do), or just "Jerusalem" (which is what we are apparently doing for Natalie Portman). Nehme 1499 14:16, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Full protection required, asap. I would myself, but having made a revert I don't feel adequately uninvolved to do so. Mattythewhite ( talk) 16:47, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Can someone please protect the page? It's getting a bit out of hand. Nehme 1499 13:52, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Could someone verify the name of Junior Marsoni Sambu? So many sources are saying so many different things. I don't know what to believe. I chose Junior Marsoni Sambu for now. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 02:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Junior Fabrice Sambu Mansoni [a] (born 3 June 1996), or simply Fabrice Sambu, [b] is a Belgian professional footballer.... Nehme 1499 12:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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Is it me, or is that rather horrible display of statistics on this season page? Govvy ( talk) 22:58, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello. How can I disambiguate Samir (Cape Verdean footballer) and Samir (Moroccan footballer)? I can't find anything about the Moroccan Samir suggesting he was a footballer; all I find about him is that he was/is a football manager. In that case, should I move the Cape Verdean footballer to Samir (footballer) and the Moroccan football manager to Samir (football manager), and leave a note at the top? Or should I do something different? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:58, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Do we really need this? We've never had template like this for Champions League or Europa League as far as I am aware. Thoughts? Govvy ( talk) 10:00, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
How is it any different from having a navbox for the premier League, and then other cup competitions? And, also, why just the group Stages? Seems super arbitrary. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Okay, appears not wanted by the majority so have sent to TfD. Govvy ( talk) 10:04, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
At what stage should squad templates for amateur clubs be deleted? When clubs reach regional divisions? Or do we just keep squad templates forever even if a club keeps on being relegated. I'm thinking of {{ Gazélec Ajaccio squad}} who is in the Championnat National 2, the fourth tier in France. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:02, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Could someone review which players in Category:R.F.C. Seraing players actually played for R.F.C. Seraing (1922) and not R.F.C. Seraing (1904), because Category:R.F.C. Seraing players (which will be moved) currently should have the players of the 1904 club only. The category of players for the 1922 club is currently at Category:Royal Football Club Seraing players. Thank you! Paul Vaurie ( talk) 00:36, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
I've just noticed that an editor is adding location maps to articles on football coaches, is this a normal thing to include in the article? It seems slightly odd to me, the contents of the article don't really seem to fit a map very well. Does anyone else have any thoughts on these, are they worth keeping or should they be removed? Some examples: [2] [3] [4]. 192.76.8.74 ( talk) 04:43, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Is anyone else having "privacy error" issues with NFT? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 01:44, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Looks to have been fixed, website working for me. Giant Snowman 14:33, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
I can't see in history, but what happened to cite#2 ? It's popping an error message at the moment. Govvy ( talk) 11:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi folks. How does one deal with a relatively new editor who is surprisingly familiar with how Wikipedia works? Do I request a sockpuppet investigation right away? I don't know who the sockmaster or what their previous account may be. Robby.is.on ( talk) 08:32, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Landry Romeo Goore was unanimously kept at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goore Landry Romeo back in 2010 due to the sourcing showing multiple appearances in the Thai Premier League, however, this does not seem to be the case. Searching "Landry Romeo Goore" and "Goore Landry Romeo" comes up with nothing other than an empty Transfermarkt page. It appeared to be kept due to this hi5 page, which I have rescued from Web Archive. hi5, in my view, is an unacceptable source as it's a social media site, like Facebook, MySpace etc. I would be apprehensive sending this to AfD given the previous discussion showing such a clear keep consensus but I'm also concerned that we might be looking at a hoax here or at least an unverifiable BLP. I also find the other source to be unreliable and also note that it has him down as a goalkeeper, for some reason. Can anyone find a source that verifies that this footballer existed and meets notability criteria? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:11, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Can someone please protect his article for a bit? The vandalism since his move to Everton was announced has been crazy. Thanks. Rupert1904 ( talk) 22:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Do you think there is a possibility on merging UEFA A Licence, UEFA B Licence, and UEFA Pro Licence into one article called UEFA coaching licences perhaps? And then having sections for each type of licence? Because I don't think the A and B licences are notable on their own. Who else thinks that a merge is a good idea? If there is some support, we can start a merge discussion. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 19:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the support. I will try and start a merge discussion soon. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 04:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Can someone please do something about Bergenoslo's behaviour at Italy national football team? They keep reverting any edit they disagree with, and labeling them disruptive. They have opened two sections at Talk:Italy national football team, without taking their time to actually answer Dr Salvus and I's comments. Nehme 1499 18:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for reporting the truth @ HornetMike and @ Felixsv7, at least there are still some decent and honest people on Wikipedia. As I reported above, I have been violently attacked and threatened several times to be blocked by the users @Nehme 1499 and @Dr Salvus only because I restored standard content that they deliberately removed without discussing it on the talk page or providing any kind of reason. They did disruptive editing and then they had the nerve to threatened me just because I restored the information that they removed. -- Bergenoslo ( talk) 13:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
The squads haven't been updated for various teams for this round of internationals, which is the first time in a while. If anyone has time to take a look and is able to make adjustments, it would probabbly be a big help. All of the UEFA squads are updated, but the rest in general are not.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 22:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I was going through the GAR requests at WP:GAR and there are a few for African women’s football teams. The main editor of these articles is no longer here so I was interested if anyone from a related project might be interested in picking them up. They basically need updating as the last substantial verifiable edits were in 2012. There are issues with uncited statements and other general fixes needed too. The ones with GA requests are Rwanda women's national football team, Burundi women's national football team and Central African Republic women's national football team. There are other articles like Gambia women's national football team, Madagascar women's national football team etc (see ) that have similar issues. I don’t think it would take much effort to update these as they don’t seem to play a lot of games. The issue is finding sources. It would be a shame to delist them so hoping someone is keen to have a look at them. Aircorn (talk) 23:11, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
It doesn't seem right to me that his lead sections say he is a "Croatian-born Swedish professional footballer" when he was born in Bosnia to Croatian parents. Shouldn't it say "Bosnian-born Swedish professional footballer"? Or born in Bosnia to Croatian parents? Or am I totally getting this wrong? I remember there was a lot of discussion recently around nationality and Raheem Sterling so want to make sure that Branimir's article is accurate as well. Thanks for any input. Rupert1904 ( talk) 01:59, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
What about a situation such as Nicolás Galvis. He was born in Columbia and moved to Canada as a child and he received call-ups to the Canadian national team, but didn't make an appearance and stayed on the bench. Given he was actually on the Canadian roster, seems a bit odd to list him as Columbian, but can't really use Ortizesp's Born in X, but represents Y, because he doesn't have an official cap. RedPatch ( talk) 13:01, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I'm posting this here so there can hopefully be more comment at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Serie A Footballer of the Year/archive2 after Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Serie A Footballer of the Year/archive1 was closed due to inactivity. There is also a similar article that passed some years ago for your reference Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Serie A Coach of the Year/archive1. Thanks, Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 13:14, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Created in a format similar to Template:2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group tables. The template allows the editor transcluding it to add parameter such as round, format, bg, result & class, good for use in a team's season page, for example.
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|LAS_MTA}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|LAS_ALA}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|LAS_HJK}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|GEN_PAR|format=1|round=1}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|GEN_FLO|format=1|round=2|bg=EEEEEE}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|GEN_ANO|format=1|round=3|result=W|class=collapsible}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|LAS_MTA}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|LAS_ALA}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|LAS_HJK}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|GEN_PAR|format=1|round=1}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|GEN_FLO|format=1|round=2|bg=EEEEEE}}
{{2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches|GEN_ANO|format=1|round=3|result=W|class=collapsible}}
Ping me if you have any questions regarding the usage of the template. I believe it will prevent many matchbox duplications and help keep information updated. Deancarmeli ( talk) 15:16, 28 August 2021 (UTC) Edited. Deancarmeli ( talk) 15:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
I agree this template is also not needed. Please can somebody send to TFD? Giant Snowman 11:44, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
May anyone, please, discuss in their comment the merit of the template?
Yes, it is new.
Yes, it is a bit different from what you may know.
Nonetheless, it provides significant benefits, as in usage of a single matchbox across multiple articles, that shouldn't be ignored. The same logic applies for using
Template:2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group tables, so why shuldn't we use
Template:2021–22 UEFA Europa Conference League group matches?
Deancarmeli (
talk)
12:11, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
I think this is a good premise for a template. That way when the Fooian team A plays Templetonian team B in the X league, the result can be updated once in the template instead of on the X league page, on team A's season page, on team B's season page, on "Fooian clubs in X league" page, on "Templetonian clubs in X league" page, etc. The general gist of "I don't like it because I don't like it and hasn't been done before" is not very helpful to conversation or to going forward and improving. -- SuperJew ( talk) 13:04, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Have also sent this to TfD for those that are interested. Govvy ( talk) 15:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Created documentation of the template
in its talk page and transcluded it to its header.
Deancarmeli (
talk)
15:38, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Are Soccerbase and/or Soccerway reliable for players date of birth? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 19:36, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
It has been brought to my suspicion that one of Wikipedia's experienced users could be using a newly created account to evade a current block which was applied today. Full details here. Also the user page was just created with the first sentence about "not engage in any edit war.". I'd say myself, and also Hjk1106, are possibly right about block evasion (per User talk:Hjk1106#September 2021. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 16:15, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Please find below an idea I have thought of, as Soccer Aid is today and I was thinking to myself of an alternate version based on Wikipedia.
User:Iggy the Swan/SoccerAid Wikipedia 2021
Not sure how accurate this may be in terms of the teams I listed.
Thanks, Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 08:46, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Came across this lower division German league page while editing a player's page. Landesliga Bayern-Mitte (2012) is in the current German sixth tier. A former league until 2012 was the Landesliga Bayern-Mitte, currently holding primary topic title, when it probably shouldn't. How do league's get properly disambiguated? RedPatch ( talk) 12:51, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
{{
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({{
navbox}}) or class=nomobile
({{
sidebar}}) are not displayed on the
mobile web site of English Wikipedia. Mobile page views account for approximately 66% of all page views (90-day average as of January 2024
[update]). {{
Manchester United F.C.}}, {{
Chelsea F.C.}}, {{
Liverpool F.C.}}, {{
Real Madrid CF}} and all the others are beautiful creations based on hard work using Navbox but they are invisible and by that their links are unusable for the majority of our users. To check just click on "Mobile view" at the very bottom of the page in question. Can we kick off a vote for the development of a technical solution?
Ruedi33a (
talk)
16:50, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
What should we call an option to make a loan deal permanent? An "option to buy", "option-to-buy", or "buy option"? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 04:56, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
"option to sign permanently" its ok.who else NeonDone ( talk) 12:37, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Danilo Pereira (footballer) joined Paris Saint-Germain F.C. on 24 May 2021; his loan had an obligation to buy if PSG finished in the top 2 of the league. The option was triggered as PSG came second, and Danilo joined the club permanently. This transfer happened outside a window, a bit like Weston McKennie's transfer. Should we include it in the transfers section of the 2021–22 Paris Saint-Germain F.C. season or the 2020–21 Paris Saint-Germain F.C. season? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 23:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I am not sure if this is the way it should be viewed, but it became an obligation only after the end of the season when PSG finished in top 2, which means the player was on loan from Porto even for the last match of the season. So the transfer should be counted for 21/22 season imo. Kokoeist ( talk) 05:58, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
In that case, what is the date of the transfer? 1 July 2021 or 23 May 2021, the last match of the season? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:39, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Just a heads up... as the title says, Berliner FC Dynamo is, at time of writing, the third longest article on Wikipedia. The user EriFr has clearly put in an astonishing amount of effort over the last two years that must be respected, but the article is clearly too long, and I wouldn't know where to even begin trimming it. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 01:12, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
As someone who has also gone down the rabbit hole of greatly researching and expanding a lower tier club article, I totally get the dedication to it. Sometimes it can be fascinating. In terms of what to do about the short history section once you create the second article, one simple suggestion might be to just go back into the article's history and just copy what was there before your edits. I just jumped back to 2019 and saw this old revision that's of a reasonable length (though not fully 100% cited), but could serve as a temporary basis. RedPatch ( talk) 02:15, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Can Transfermarkt be used as a reliable source for match reports? Debankan talk 10:49, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
I have been trawling through Module:Sports table trying to see how I can modify a league table that has an extra column for points per game, but I cannot clearly see how I can make this easily. Can anyone direct me to an actual example of a league table which is ordered by points per game rather than aggregate points, and I will use that as my guide? Thanks. Matilda Maniac ( talk) 07:53, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
You might have read that this guy recently saved a Ronaldo penalty. My view is 'big whoop, he's a goalkeeper' - however an IP @ 89.101.121.132: thinks this, and other penalty saves, should be included in his bio. Thoughts? Giant Snowman 15:25, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
The same IP is repeatedly adding U21 stats to the Liam Scales article, citing individual match reports (but getting it wrong - first they said it was 5 then they said it was 6). Can somebody please intervene? Giant Snowman 11:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
I'd like some views on 2021–22 Scottish Amateur Cup. As you can tell from the name, it's only for amateur teams. A few are notable because the winners qualify for the 'big' Scottish Cup and it is totally fine to have an overview article on the competition, but my feeling is that standalone article's on this or any specific season are excessive and probably do not meet GNG or FOOTY requirements. The only references currently are from the Amateur FA themselves, and a tweet from one of the clubs, I doubt there'd be much more than that in terms of coverage until the semi-finals, and even then only local press. Crowsus ( talk) 14:41, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
want to block the latest of these... thanks, Struway2 ( talk) 11:10, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
JJMC89 bot constantly removes the Sampdoria's logo. It says that the photo is not a free image but it is not true (it also has not removed the photo in the men's team). What should be done? Dr Salvus 14:08, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Good morning!
Just to be sure i haven't missed out on anything regarding the footy guidelines (rules change, of course), in the case i have, i apologise for the (editorial) inconvenience...
Do we still write "...is a footballer who plays for...", without mentioning the country (it is mentioned, but below in the lede) or not? Two examples: tried that at Bruno Gaspar, was reverted without one word of explanation. Tried to converse with the user, was reverted at their page without one inch of reply.
Worse, much worse, at Raphaël Guerreiro: for removing "Portuguese" in the lede (when it's explained in the latter part of lede "Born in France, Guerreiro represented Portugal at under-21 and senior level..."), was not only reverted but insulted in the most vile of manners, as several other users have (@ Crowsus: might confirm this, for example).
I'd like to finish as i started: if we now write the nationalities of the players per national team currently represented (i.e. "Bruno Gaspar is an Angolan professional footballer..." instead of the previous guideline "Bruno Gaspar is a professional footballer...", please accept my apologies and be sure i will abide by the (new) guideline from now on.
Attentively -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 08:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
I think that's being dealt with at ANI.Unfortunately, since I posted the report four days ago, very little has happened and I've had to add a comment to prevent the discussion from being archived automatically. I am puzzled as to why no admin has taken care of the problem. Maybe you could weigh in there, Crowsus? Robby.is.on ( talk) 10:12, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Very good point @ Nehme1499:, thanks for input! -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 12:42, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Hey! I need help making fixes for the GA review going on at Thomas Tuchel. Could someone/some people help? Thanks. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:39, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
I was just looking at the article and clicked State Treasury in the info box, which just directs to the Treasury article, is there not a better target?? Govvy ( talk) 20:47, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Anyone want to take a crack at fixing this career stats table at Tariq Kazi? It's a bit of a mess. (Found it when seeing a user who posted an image to a page I created which was a copyright violation also uploaded a copyvio image here (which I also nominated for deletion on the commons)) RedPatch ( talk) 15:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
I saw that on Pau López, "loan" was linked in the opening sentence. Should we do that? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:32, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a move discussion going on about renaming Swansea's stadium from the old to the current name it is using at the moment. There are not many page watchers watching this article or page views on the talk page so I am alerting you here to be aware of the move discussion. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 17:16, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello. I just created the article of
Delwin Fraser, a Guyanese footballer. His brother
Delroy Fraser also made appearances for Guyana and I am creating his article right now. I have an issue with his birth date. In
this article, it says that Delroy is the older brother of Delwin. Delwin was born on 11 July 1986 according to various sources (will get back to that sooon). However,
according to NFT (
and WorldFootball.net), Delroy is born on 26 October 1986, making him younger than Delwin.
FootballCritic says that he was born on 28 July 1988, and
Transfermarkt (although technically not a reliable source) says he was born on 26 October 1983.
Due to the Guyana Chronicle article stating that Delroy is the older brother of Delwin, I personally feel more inclined to believe Transfermarkt's 1983 date, despite the hate towards the website. I came to write this to ask what y'all thought of this weird situation. As of now on
Delroy Fraser, I will leave the birth date blank.
I said I would get back about Delwin Fraser's birth date; according to most sources, he is born on 11 July 1986. However, the
Grenada Football Association claims he was born on 14 April 1982. I ignored this since all other sources said the contrary.
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
01:49, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Anybody else want to chime in apart from Nehme1499? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 02:18, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Jorge Fernandez given that his daughter is doing well currently is in the news and well referenced to be a former international professional footballer. Apparently he played in Guayaquil and over South America and potentially Canada seeing as he grew up partly there. However I cannot find any sources to say which clubs he played for nor any of his stats. Assuming he was good enough to earn an international cap at some point and was fully pro, I'm not sure where to look? I am not a Spanish speaker nor well versed in Americas football and he does have a popular name so that doesn't help. Any help much appreciated. Abcmaxx ( talk) 23:58, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Well then there are 3 options; either 1. he has publicly lied about his past 2. he played a long time ago for some pretty obscure clubs or 3. He played under a different name or nickname Abcmaxx ( talk) 11:38, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Sure, I would agree with that. He could have been in the U8 squad for all we know. However I'm still intrigued as to which clubs he played for, assumingly didn't have a particularly illustrious career but I find it hard to believe there no information about that at all Abcmaxx ( talk) 14:46, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Honestly it's probably a poor journalism. It was probably "Did you play tennis as a child like Leylah?" "No, I played football/soccer" meaning that was the game he played for fun, not necessarily that he played pro. RedPatch ( talk) 19:56, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Good Morning, is it necessary to add matches that were postponed in club season articles? I did put them in but one edit got reverted and quoted "Unnecessary inclusion of a match that is not taking place. Please do not include in future". Can I have some feedback on weather it should or shouldn't be please.
-- Skyblueshaun ( talk) 08:51, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Inspectormusic ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Can someone have a look to @ Inspectormusic:? They do continue to violate the MoS about footballers despite two warnings Dr Salvus 05:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
A friendly between a senior national team and a different country's U23 team doesn't count as a cap, correct? Has to be senior vs senior (or U23 vs U23, U20/U20, etc) right? RedPatch ( talk) 17:08, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
If anyone wants a player to edit about, there is Dwain Jacobs. His playing career's dates are unclear. If someone would like to take a closer look and clarify the dates using sources that would be beneficial to the article. I left the dates blank due to the conflicts between sources. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:47, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
It is standard procedure on footballer biographies to omit the nationality from the lede if a player was born and raised in one country but represented another at international level. Please can somebody inform @ Dealer07: regarding Zeca (footballer, born 1988) who has been reverting an IP and me and ignored our talk page posts... Giant Snowman 14:59, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Back in 2010, Raheem Sterling's article was deleted on the grounds that he was deemed non-notable. One contributor described him as a "footballer who hasn't made it" (he was 15 years old at the time). Just a random bit of amusement for a Monday afternoon..... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 15:41, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
The Poznań is fairly well-written. I think it's a decent article we should keep. However, is The Bouncy really notable on its own? I think it could be merged as an "alternative" of The Poznan. Who else agrees? Opinions? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 02:02, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Is it me or is this template list craft? Govvy ( talk) 09:27, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
{{ 100 players who shook the Kop}}
It definitely isn't a Hall of Fame. As Chris said above, it's a fan poll that has been run two or three times. If the last one was in 2013 and they run it again now, how many of Klopp's players are going to be voted in? Best to delete it, I think. No Great Shaker ( talk) 14:55, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
There is an edit war over including the photo of Drogba at the List of footballers with 100 or more Premier League goals by TheRealGutripper. The photo was originally removed by an IP editor because the caption said "only African footballer to score 100 goal". I restored the picture changing the caption to "the first African footballer to score 100 goals". This was reverted by TheRealGutripper, so I reverted with the suggestion that they get consensus on talk page to change the picture. This suggestion was ignored and TheRealGutripper reverted again with the edit summary "Photo caption not cited", although this editor saw no need for a citation in this edit expanding the caption to the Michael Owen picture. — Jts1882 | talk 07:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Does playing for national teams that don't represent actual countries (like Martinique, Gibraltar, or French Guiana) confer notability for players appearing in that match per WP:NFOOTY? How can I tell if a match is FIFA-recognized? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 01:36, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
competitive senior international match at confederation level regardless of whether or not the teams are members of FIFA, or the Olympic Games. So when Martinique play in the CONCACAF Nations League or Gold Cup, the players used in those matches would be presumed notable because it's at confederation level. It wouldn't apply to players who are capped in friendlies or competitions below confederation level, for example, players capped by Kiribati at the 2011 Pacific Games. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 08:34, 16 September 2021 (UTC)