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The Danish Football Federation has a very good website on international players (both youth and senior), but they have unhelpfully recently changed link style from eg https://www.dbu.dk/landshold/Landsholdsdatabasen/LBasePlayerInfo.aspx?playerId=7831 to https://www.dbu.dk/landshold/landsholdsdatabasen/PlayerInfo/7831. I can run a simple AWB changing 'dbu.dk/landshold/Landsholdsdatabasen/LBasePlayerInfo.aspx?playerId=' to 'dbu.dk/landshold/landsholdsdatabasen/PlayerInfo/' (given the number hasn't changed) to fix the broken links, but does anybody have any idea how I find the links in the first place? Or do I just go through every article in ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Danish footballers? Giant Snowman 09:18, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
So I was thinking if their was any support for people who might be on Discord to have an #wpfootball channel created on the server. HawkAussie ( talk) 06:43, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
One user has nominated the article to try and promote this to be a good article. Two of the concerns of that is that the article is too long to read comfortably and the article has been repeatedly on the list of exceeded template include size which as a result does not display the templates at the bottom. The talk page shows how large each section is in bytes.
A large article does not always mean it is of good quality, particularly the latter concern above. One suggestion is to have this article peer reviewed before a good article reviewer starts working on it otherwise as it looks right now with ref scanning and reading the whole article, it may take a lot of time to finalise the process. It could end up as a speedy fail as what happened in previous nominations. Iggy ( Swan) 18:43, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
Recently seen a lot of categories pop up similar to Category:Hungary at the FIFA World Cup are these suitable categories? Should we really be linking the main world cup articles to all of these categories, simply because a team played in the world cup? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 08:20, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Is Template:Yugoslavia squad UEFA Euro 1992 really necessary? The Yugoslav team was banned prior to the final tournament and replaced by Denmark, this seems misleading to have a squad template. S.A. Julio ( talk) 17:21, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, an IP is adding the national flag to the article at Bhutan national football team. I'm not sure on the copyright status of these but I have seen them on lots of other articles.
Currently, there a few bots that are reverting this change, and it's been going on for a couple days. Anyone know what the status of this image should be. We are in a weird Mexican stand off between IP and bot. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 14:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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The problem is, you're just making your personal analysis of what the the discussion yielded (or rather didn't) and enforcing that as the only possible factual situation. The facts are though that there were plenty of people who where in support of allowing NFC crest for premier nation football teams (including even you). Your sole objection now on following this discussion now appears that wasn't finalized through perfect procedure. However the latter is not a mandatory requirement. Read WP:NOTBURO. Disagreements are resolved through consensus-based discussion, not by tightly sticking to rules and procedures. Regardless, I have posted a request to formally close the contended discussion. Let's see what that produces, but I'm still curious as to what the other WP:FOOTY members think of that discussion. T v x1 10:17, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, lately I've been keeping List of Spanish football transfers summer 2019 up to date and I thought: What if there were to be a small section in league season articles (big leagues at least) dedicated to their "top" transfers? It does not seem like a terrible idea to me, regarding how far apart these two sets of articles tend to be. Take hat-tricks as an example, the List of Premier League hat-tricks article would certainly not grab as much attention as it does at the moment if it weren't for the little "main article" detours placed in Premier League seasons' articles. These transfer articles are really not getting as much notice as they are meant to get in my opinion, and I am sure that a little "main article" redirect can lead many more readers to these sorts of pages.
Here is my model, I took 2018–19 La Liga as an example:
(header)Top transfers(header)
Rank | Date | Name | Moving from | Moving to | Initial Fee | Ref |
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1 | 10 July 2018 | Cristiano Ronaldo | Real Madrid | Juventus | €100M | Ref |
2 | 8 August 2018 | Kepa Arrizabalaga | Athletic Bilbao | Chelsea | €80M | Ref |
3 | 30 July 2018 | Thomas Lemar | Monaco | Atlético Madrid | €70M | Ref |
4 | 12 July 2018 | Vinícius Júnior | Flamengo | Real Madrid | €45M | Ref |
5 | 4 January 2019 | Paulinho | Barcelona | Guangzhou Evergrande | €42M | Ref |
6 | 24 July 2018 | Malcom | Bordeaux | Barcelona | €41M | Ref |
7 | 27 June 2018 | João Cancelo | Valencia | Juventus | €40.4M | Ref |
8 | 27 August 2018 | Gonçalo Guedes | Paris Saint-Germain | Valencia | €40M | Ref |
9 | 8 August 2018 | Thibaut Courtois | Chelsea | Real Madrid | €35M | Ref |
12 July 2018 | Clément Lenglet | Sevilla | Barcelona | Ref |
Quick Note: I didn't include references so I can avoid messing up this talk page, but all the transfers annotated in these tables will obviously have to include a reliable reference. Also, additional notes can be applied to some specific transfers such as Paulinho's 2018 loan converting into a permanent transfer after the buyout clause was triggered, and Kepa paying his own release clause and THEN joining Chelsea.
Personally, I think this would be a great addition and a breath of fresh air to many football season pages, let me know what you guys think, Thank you. TheSoccerBoy ( talk) 04:44, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, quick question: why do we remove stars from club logos (such as Juventus, Milan and Bayern) but keep them in national team logos ( Italy, England and Spain)? Thanks Nehme1499 ( talk) 19:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
We have two editors at Tom Hadler ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) who claim to be the subject and his brother, changing the height (despite it being sourced to multiple reliable sources). Myself and another Admin (@ ChrisTheDude:) have tried to discuss with them, including pointing them in the direction of OTRS, but to no avail. Raising here for further input; will also cross-post at WP:BLPN. Giant Snowman 10:48, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
It has been confirmed on many external sources [1] [2] [3] that Ashley Barnes cannot, and is ineligible to represent Austria internationally under FIFA eligibility rules. The source [4] from Burnley FC's website is therefore incorrect when it says Barnes is an Austrian international. Unless additional sources are provided showing that he can represent Austria in international football, please refrain from repeatedly changing his nationality to Austrian on the Burnley FC page.
Multiple senior users such as " Mattythewhite" and " Iggy the Swan" have accused me of 'edit warring' and/or have been constantly reverting my correct edits; which I believe is an abuse of power. " Mattythewhite" has also threatened me with a potential user account block.
Swazzer30 ( talk • contribs) 00:33, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
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and then later still pushed it to WP:FOOT after you again reverted not only the removal of sources, but also reinstated the wrong nationality. You need to check what you are reverting. Declaring an "edit war" while contributing to it isn't appropriate either. Koncorde ( talk) 00:33, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
He should be listed as English. Giant Snowman 09:33, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Do you think this is overkill (even if sourced)? I have removed Jorge Jesus' performance timeline. SLBedit ( talk) 23:07, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
I redirected this earlier to the main article on the grounds that there is very little useful information available yet. We don't even have a host city or any dates. However an ip has asked me about it so I'm coming here for guidance. When would we usually create this article? I'm willing to self-revert if it's round about now, but I don't see huge value in having the article yet. Valenciano ( talk) 18:29, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
86.146.28.90 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) – On Marc-André ter Stegen and Matthijs de Ligt:. This IP address has removed a content on ter Stegen's article without explaining why even though they were warned not to do so a few times. Reporting at WP:AIV resulted in @ Dlohcierekim: suggesting that we seek dispute resolution. That was attempted on Talk:Marc-André ter Stegen#RfC on lede but the anon did not participate, so what is expected this time that wasn't achieved last? Meanwhile @ GARY 809: has taken me to WP:AN3 and placed warnings on my talk page. Any assistance from an informed admin would be appreciated. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 17:13, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
I've asked for a reassessment, Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Watford F.C./1, I hope I done it all okay. Not sure if I need to post about it anywhere else. Govvy ( talk) 11:53, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wikipedia:WPF. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 ( talk) 15:38, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Nothing wrong with having an article on the team but much of the article feels like it violates WP:NOTWEBHOST and maybe WP:OR given the level the league is at, such as the fixture lists/results. Wanted a second or third opinion on what to do here before I take out the editing hatchet. SportingFlyer T· C 05:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello footballers,
I need someone more knowledgeable than I to review the contributions of this IP account that I recently blocked for vandalism. They have modified a lot of kits for various Spanish football teams that I have no idea are accurate or not. As an example, this diff appears to match up correctly for Concil CF's new home kit, but I cannot verify the accuracy of the other changes. Hope someone can help out. Sasquatch t| c 19:18, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi. In Lebanon, the Al-Manar Football Festival is the award ceremony where players are awarded certain awards such as "Lebanese Football League Best Player" or "Lebanese Football League Best Goal". The ceremony also includes the Team of the Season, with a specific formation (e.g. a 4-1-2-3, with specific roles such as left-back and defensive midfielder). The players in the TOTS are not only included in the formation but are also handed an award, for example, for "Lebanese Football League Best Striker" or "Lebanese Football League Best Right-back". My question is: in the honours section of the players' articles, is it enough to write "Lebanese Football League Team of the Season: 2018-19" or should "Lebanese Football League Best Striker" also be included? Thanks, sorry for the unnecessarily long post. Nehme1499 ( talk) 20:07, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
There's a slight disagreement at Watford F.C. about the foundation date, but that's not really why I'm here. Upon reading the article, it appears that a team known as 'West Herts' (and previously known as 'Watford Rovers') amalgamated with another (Watford St Mary's) in 1898 to found the present club we all know and love. However, West Herts seemingly appeared in the FA Cup in the 1880s. Shouldn't we have a separate article about the older, different club as it appears to be independently notable? That is established precedent when clubs merge. Giant Snowman 09:53, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Right now we've resolved the issue with the FA Cup / my memory, can we please discuss the merits of a separate article? Giant Snowman 20:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Could an editor who is familiar with sports table templates/Module:Sports table help me out?
I've already created the table template for the Argentine Primera División standings ( here) that is used for showing tables in a seasons article, but I am having difficulty in creating one for the relegation/average points table that Argentine football uses ( here). I'm inexperienced when it comes to these type of templates so haven't a clue how to create one/if one exists; I don't see a relegation table listed at Module:Sports table so assume it doesn't. Any help would be much appreciated. R96Skinner ( talk) 00:22, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Can one of the admin, please merge the Wakirya AC and Wakriya AC articles? The correct spelling is Wakriya ( http://www.wakriya.com). TheBigJagielka ( talk) 16:00, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Nlu: has been mass removing valid nationality categories. I have reverted a bunch and told them why. Further eyes/input would be welcome in case they insist on keeping up with their disruption... Giant Snowman 14:09, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, what qualifies a league as notable? Thanks. Nehme1499 ( talk) 14:57, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, just over from CRIC! I'm currently working my way through notable people to have played minor counties cricket for Northumberland. I'm wondering if someone could tell me if these two guys had notable football careers: Larry Liddell (Leeds) and Billy Milne (Newcastle). I don't write football articles so don't pay for access to the English National Football Archive, so can't check out if they appeared in any cup/league fixtures for them. Cheers. StickyWicket ( talk) 17:45, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Can I get some help please, Frietjes has been removing the Spurs navigation templates from the bottom of all the Tottenham season articles, I am finding it even worse to navigate between the articles I want now and have found the removal extremely inconvenient. It's made it really bad and I tried to restore the nav template only for Frietjes to removal them all again. I am shocked at this poor editing and wish for some help from someone to restored all the nav templates to the Tottenham season pages, cheers. Govvy ( talk) 14:40, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Every article that transcludes a given navbox should normally also be included as a link in the navbox so that the navigation is bidirectional.which means that every navbox on a page should include that page as a link. The main spurs navbox does not include the individual seasons. Spike 'em ( talk) 16:05, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Maybe you can explain why a football player like Lionel Messi is allowed all those navboxes? Why all the Man U seasons are allowed to use {{ Manchester United F.C.}} why, Man City season articles, the same, Arsenal, all other clubs have the same setup as what Spurs had, yet you're just removing the template from the Tottenham season articles and none of the others, fucking strange situation if you ask me. Govvy ( talk) 19:08, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Is anyone able to find out the teams and substitutes for the fixture from June 10th? Cheers - J man708 ( talk) 14:58, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, this IP user ( 185.103.20.250) keeps making disruptive edits on Nejmeh SC, removing certain players and changing other's names. This has been going on for more than a month. Can someone help me out? Thanks. Nehme1499 ( talk) 21:13, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
I am currently in a dispute with another editor on the article Bristol City F.C., the other user adds in record transfers on the article with the Transfermarkt source but I have removed that information, on the knowledge of the source not being reliable. I believe that I've done the right thing to remove that information on WP:RS but I should open up this discussion so that I won't go into a 3RR violation. Iggy ( Swan) 14:22, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm sure this has been discussed in the past, but surely sections in club articles like this detailing famous fans aren't notable? I would say that that they are trivial, unencyclopedic, and plays up to the celebrity culture that society is becoming ever indulged in. Mattythewhite ( talk) 16:34, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Sources specifically stating it will be in the (near) future, not yet (press conference in 2 days to confirm). Please see discussion on talk page given some editors don't understand that. Giant Snowman 14:51, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I was categorizing football pictures in Commons, and I drew a blank about these women [1], [2]. Perhaps they are former football players ? -- Rashinseita ( talk) 10:27, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
To follow on from a couple of previous discussions, I just wanted to know if there was a consensus as to whether we keep Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Club seasons as it is regarding results lists or if we change it (For background, I reverted edits on 1874–75 Dumbarton F.C. season and 1874–75 Dumbarton F.C. season before starting a discussion here which moved here. Tagging participants: @ Aitkegs and Crowsus:).
As far as I can see, there has been no consensus to change from a table of results to a list of collapsed footballbox templates but there are several pages which use this style so I want to establish which should be in the Manual of Style. The collapsed footballbox template contravenes WP:ACCESSIBILITY because it defaults to hiding information. It also means that there are sometimes 60+ footballbox templates per page depending on how successful a team has been in a given season compared to just three or four tables. I don't think a list of footballbox templates works with MOS:LIST but the table of results does work with MOS:LIST and MOS:TABLE. Both the football box templates and the table of results meet MOS:COLOUR.
There have also been discussions which argue that the table restricts the amount of information which can be included as it doesn't mention opposition scorers (which I would argue are irrelevant on a given team's season article - important goals against can be included in prose) or referees whereas the football box template allows you to include this. Should the consensus be to keep the table format, I'd propose we update it to include a referee column (as I believe has been done on some pages). Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 20:19, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Is it preferable to list second-place finishes in "Honours" sections? As per Google Dictionary, honour is "a thing conferred as a distinction, especially an official award for ... achievement", and Merriam-Webster defines honour as "an evidence or symbol of distinction: such as: an award in a contest or field of competition", while Cambridge Dictionary says it's "a reward, prize, or title that expresses admiration or respect". Now, take Maurizio Sarri's article for example. It lists " Serie B runner-up" and "EFL Cup runner-up" among his honours. The problem with this is that runners-up do not receive medals in Serie B. Moreover, according to the title of The Telegraph match report, " Manchester City took the 2018–19 EFL Cup honours". (Sarri managed Chelsea at the time.) If contributors were to list second-place finishes in lower divisions due to promotions, I believe they'd need to list sixth-place finishes from top leagues as well, as teams that finish in the top six (usually) qualify for group stages of different European competitions.
Suggested layout for footballer biographies doesn't include second-place finishes in its "Honours" section. Nor do articles Arsène Wenger ( GA), Lionel Messi (GA), Arjen Robben (GA), Francesco Totti (GA), Bobby Robson ( FA), Sigi Schmid (FA) et cetera. Counterarguments include Steve Bruce (FA), Gilberto Silva (FA), John Wark (FA), Alf Ramsey (FA) and others. Electronic data processor ( talk) 06:34, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Is this draft article useful at all? At first glance, it reads like a grabbag of facts about specific countries, probably better covered in country articles. Should the article be accepted or declined? Calliopejen1 ( talk) 17:19, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Any suggestions on how to handle this situation. The old Welsh Football League Division One (step 2) was abolished at the end of the 18–19 season and was replaced by the FAW Championship South & Mid (also step 2).
The Welsh Football League Division Two (step 3) has been rebranded as Division One (also step 3). [3] This will be for the 19–20 season only as the FAW has confirmed from 20–21 season there will be 4 new regional FAW League One sections. [4]
The Welsh Football League Division Three (step 4) has been rebranded as Division Two. From 20–21 season leagues at step 4 will remain the responsibility of local league associations across Wales.
So - rename the articles for Division Two as Division One and Division Two as Division One would seem obvious - BUT then there is an existing Division One already which is now a defunct league etc...
Any suggestions how to proceed?
Zanoni ( talk) 08:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I think I have already asked this question but has anyone found a solution to FIFA removing their official national team fixture list (such as here) in favour of an ad for their app? I used to use the page as the primary source for Lebanon national football team results. I know elo rankings has a similar list but I know for a fact ELO considers certain matches FIFA doesn't and vice-versa. Any solution? Thanks, Nehme1499 ( talk) 22:35, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Can somebody please review the edits of JP26235 ( talk · contribs) who is adding unreferenced 'medals' to literally hundreds and hundreds of footballer infoboxes... Giant Snowman 11:53, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
While we're on the subject of infobox honours, I've wondered for a while: why? We have dedicated sections in articles for honours, so why do we duplicate them in the infobox? Why do they tend to only be international honours and not club honours? And most importantly, perhaps, they're never sourced. Mattythewhite ( talk) 12:56, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Canada wore white kits and Cuba wore red kits in their group A match - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiqhJuWtg14/ /info/en/?search=2019_CONCACAF_Gold_Cup_Group_A Nicaragua wore white shorts against Bermuda in their group B match - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG9KgpEro5A /info/en/?search=2019_CONCACAF_Gold_Cup_Group_B — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariosbessa ( talk • contribs) 15:04, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
On a side note, Cuba seems to have changed their logo, can someone update it? I can't find it online. The new logo can be seen in this video around 2:04. Nehme1499 ( talk) 16:37, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Looking at the discussion between @ MYS77: and @ TheSoccerBoy: at the 2019–20 La Liga article, I decided to start again this for having a new consensus.
I remembered I opened a section years ago ( Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 95#"Betis" or "Real Betis"?) and, despite I agreed with MYS77 for using the term "Betis", more of the users were for using "Real Betis". Personally, I am against using the term "Real" except for Real Madrid, Real Sociedad and Real Unión, as they are the only three teams more known here with the "Real" than without it. Asturkian ( talk) 15:36, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
What I mean is every club refers itself as Real, but out of it (newspapers, neutral websites, etc.), all of them except RM, RS and Real Unión are always mentioned without the royal term. Asturkian ( talk) 16:21, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Could an Admin please semi-protect Sepp van den Berg, also it needs a clean-up. JMHamo ( talk) 11:31, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
I've just created an article about this guy. Two queries following my research:
Any help appreciated! Giant Snowman 18:53, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
A user recently created this category and began moving players from Category:2000 births into it. Isn't this an overkill? -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:57, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Just created by @ Sapphia: - thoughts? I think we need to delete it. Giant Snowman 11:11, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
The category '2000 births' is extremely overcrowded and difficult to navigate. Moving pages into subcategories (the Football one will have over 100 anyway) makes it easier for users to navigate Wikipedia and find the information they are looking for. Sapphia ( talk) 15:07, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Any Australian Rules Football players will be removed from the subcategory. Sapphia ( talk) 15:14, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@GiantSnowman I have suspended my activity regarding this category. However, I would like to know why this is an 'overkill'. - Sapphia ( talk) 15:23, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Can anyone help me out - I have tried looking - including a few searches within news-sites using advanced search function in Google - but struggling to find either a current list of clubs in the league or the final 2018-19 league table positions. League wise, this seems to be the nearest to an official site - but its pretty poor and doesn't help [9] - any suggestions? Zanoni ( talk) 17:05, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
I noticed that despite North Macedonia national football team having played four fixtures as North Macedonia, many of their players (example: Goran Pandev) have the international side listed as 'Macedonia' in their infobox. Before making edits to a number of pages, I am seeking clarification as to what the standard practice is. Looking at the pages of former West German players Lothar Matthäus and Jürgen Klinsmann, two different stances have been taken. The page for Matthäus notes his entire international career as being for 'Germany', while Klinsmann's is divided between 'West Germany' (until 1990) and 'Germany' (following reunification). I fully understand that the name change from FYROM to North Macedonia isn't as seismic as German reuinification, but for the effects on the football team I think they are fairly similar (the West German team didn't cease to exist, they didn't cease to be a member of FIFA / UEFA – Germany is a continuation of West Germany).
Which should be followed when editing articles of players for the North Macedonia national team? I don't think it's controversial to say that players that have yet to play (or have never played) for 'North Macedonia' shouldn't have their pages changed, nor should youth international team names be changed if they appeared for those sides pre-name change. Domeditrix ( talk) 15:33, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Did we do anything specifically for Eswatini players? I personally support changing Macedonia to North Macedonia in all instances. SportingFlyer T· C 22:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Hey, is this Category:Fb bg templates really needed? Used here for example... Kante4 ( talk) 14:25, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
This article has been the target of a significant number of reverts over the past couple of days with the club logo. From the page history, four people have been involved in it, two of them have been restoring the logo from Arsenal F.C. while the other two reverts the edits back to the logo with the word "ladies" underneath. This is starting to be serious when it comes to violations of the revert rule. The following edit summary points to a closed discussion as to why we can't include the men's logo in the women's variety and I was reverted from the Under 23's version for that same discussion. I have noticed the closed discussion on the notice board but edits are continuing to be made. Iggy ( Swan) 12:14, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone get why there is a pound sign column on Megan_Rapinoe#International_goals? NE Ent 22:49, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
WikiProject Women in Red is devoting the next two months (July and August) to a virtual editathon on Women in Sports. Please take this opportunity to write more articles about women footballers who lag far behind men on Wikipedia's coverage of sports.-- Ipigott ( talk) 06:55, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Just came across this article Gothia Cup. It's in quite a state, and needs serious cleanup. I was planning on taking a look - it currently has FANCRUFT, wall of Blue, and External links in the text - but do we have any specific way to show these types of articles (such as the Norway Cup), for big sporting occasions in terms of a MoS? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 16:28, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, in Belgium's article (FA) and Lebanon's article (GA) there is a "position" column in the competitive record tables (such as the World Cup table or the Euros table). While determining the team's position is fairly straightforward in most cases, there are a few situations that come to mind. Mainly: if the tournament involved only 4 teams, with no 3rd place match, what position should be listed for the two losing semi-finalists? 3rd for the team with the better goal-difference and 4th for the other team, 3rd to both, n/a? This is the case of Italy's women's team at the 1984 Euros. I have temporarily put n/a as putting "3rd of 4" or "4th of 4" seemed misleading. What are your opinions? Thanks, Nehme1499 ( talk) 18:57, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Polite reminder - please do not update their 'current' club until that date, even if they have signed a new contract with a new club, as that won't come into effect until 1 July. Giant Snowman 14:20, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
So I have updated the page to a good amount, but now I am trying to work out who would be the notable players that played for the national team and I am stumped on that section. HawkAussie ( talk) 02:50, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Ben Davis (Australian footballer) just made his professional debut (article will be created soon), so Ben Davis (footballer) is now ambiguous, and should be moved. I was going to move him to Ben Davis (Singaporean footballer), but read that he's likely to not ever use his Singaporean nationality due to a military service dispute, and is playing for Fulham Academy as a British player (Welsh born father). To further complicate matters, his mother is Thai, and he was born in Thailand. Now, by WP:NFOOTBALL, he's not even notable, but I think from the "first Singaporean to sign with an EPL team" and the military service stories he meets WP:GNG, so I don't think it should be deleted. But should he be moved to Ben Davis (Singaporean footballer) despite that he might never play in Singapore and wasn't born there, Ben Davis (British footballer), Ben Davis (Fulham footballer), something else or should the ambiguity be kept and just hatnote it? The-Pope ( talk) 15:37, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Rename to Watford F.C. chairman and directors ? Govvy ( talk) 13:04, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
In the Gold Cup 2019 article there are unsourced Final Rankings constantly added. We should have a eye on it.-- Anaxagoras13 ( talk) 14:24, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Extremadura UD offcially changed their stadium name to Estadio Ciudad de Almendralejo, can someone change the name of the article to its new name to avoid future confusion? Sorry, I am really unfamiliar with the name change topic, just had to bring it up. Thank you. TheSoccerBoy ( talk) 20:52, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
User:Mar400r has gone and changed the title of all the individual Africa Cup of Nations tournament pages from 2004 backwards to "Africa Cup of Nations" from "African Cup of Nations". The name of the competition until 2006 was "African Cup of Nations", only 2006 onwards did it become "Africa Cup of Nations" (without the n in African). Is there a way to set it back without having to go into every article and changing it? Also now the other articles for each edition aren't consistent, for example the squads and final for each competition have one name (African) and the tournament page itself has another (Africa). TonyStarks ( talk) 02:42, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Western Sydney Wanderers FC NPL seems to be a content fork of Western Sydney Wanderers FC Reserves. Not familiar with Australia football scene so if someone can take a look and that will be great! Thanks -- Xaiver0510 ( talk) 03:14, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Is it just me or does this article about a relatively obscure rating system contain way too much information which is INDISCRIMINATE if not WP:OR? Not only is it very large (150 kB) but there seems to be, apart from the trainload of primary, non-independent or unrelated sources, only one proper independent source dealing with the subject (i.e. this one). The whole seems to have been raised already a while ago on article talk, but no permanent remedy seems to have come, and given my latest attempts at dealing with WP:INDISCRIMINATE in sports articles, thought I'd get the input of a wee bit more people here? Should I try trimming it down, or should we just sent the whole thing to AfD for lacking notability (I've checked the references from the previous, they appear to be trivial mentions)? 107.190.33.254 ( talk) 03:11, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
This user, who has already been blocked under one IP, has an obsession with changing "F.C." to "FC" in various Kent-based articles, even after being repeatedly asked to stop. I know it's not a big deal, although the fact that it includes in some cases changing perfectly fine direct links to redirects is mildly irksome. Could I get a few more eyes on their contributions? Thanks! -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 10:37, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
He is still at Tottenham and this is kind of first hand knowledge which isn't really released, he had a few training sessions with the reserves, yet people keep saying he left the club, from what I know he hasn't actually left the club, but he might be out of contract. I am not sure what to put down or do about his article. Govvy ( talk) 17:04, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Please note that players signified as a "free transfer" or released by a club on the expiry of their contract on 30 June 2019 could still remain there next season. So this list should not be seen as definitive for players leaving their club.. If the PL release is saying that it shouldn't be seen as evidence the player have left the club, we shouldn't be using it as a source for than fact. Jts1882 | talk 10:43, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
More eyes welcome at Talk:Nakumatt F.C.#Requested move 9 June 2019, where @ Andrewa: has opposed my suggested page move despite the club changing their official name. Giant Snowman 10:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Note the subsequent discussion at Talk:Nakumatt F.C.. I'm sorry it got a bit personal. Wikipedia seems to have abandoned the original spirit of WP:NPA.
My point is that A source may be considered primary for one statement but secondary for a different one, and sources can contain both primary and secondary source material for the same statement. [15] So it's not helpful to just say that Soccerway is not a primary source. The policy is a bit more complicated than that!
If (as I'm guessing from the tone of this discussion) this WikiProject relies heavily on Soccerway, some discussion of its reliability and relationship to the clubs should be on record, and may already be somewhere for all I know. The deletion of its article is not a show-stopper by any means, but another reason for this discussion. Andrewa ( talk) 20:39, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Please note this contribution by Struway2 which details sound reasons for considering Soccerway a reliable secondary source for some things, but concludes that for the purpose of deciding the article name it is a primary source. (I hope I have that correct.)
Please compare this to [16] [17] and [18] by GiantSnowman. The second and third of these contain particularly silly statements, but they all miss the point.
But hopefully this was not a complete waste of time. The detailed analysis by Struway2 (diff above) can and should be cited whenever the question of the reliability and independence of Soccerway comes up. The need for secondary sources in an RM, and for giving your reasons for a move (whether as a supporter or proposer), will I hope be noted, as will other policies linked to in the RM in question. And we got there, and the move will improve Wikipedia. Best. Andrewa ( talk) 23:55, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
This seems likely to be archived without further response, but again please read this contribution by Struway2. It shows understanding that a reliable secondary source for some material can contain other material for which it is a primary source. This is quite explicit in the policy, and a widespread and continuing failure to appreciate this point, both in the original RM proposal and in subsequent discussion both there and here, appears to me to be the main problem. And yes, I know some think the only problem is me, and that I'm giving a lecture on policy.
Compare that post to this one by SportingFlyer which assumes that I'm saying the whole article is a primary source. I'm not. I'm saying that on this one matter, this article is a primary source. (And I still do. And the only other source cited in the RM at the time I first !voted was the club's own website. Anyone who thinks the club's own website is a secondary source just hasn't read the policy.)
I am giving a lecture. It's needed. Please check my facts. Andrewa ( talk) 12:03, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Can someone knowledgeable on the topic please review recent changes to the article David Nugent ( changes since June 16). I've undone some edits that look like vandalism to me, but I'm not sure about some of the other changes. Thank you. Deli nk ( talk) 10:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
I've been doing some work to work on bringing up-to-date the Welsh Football pyramid and clubs. I came across the following two club articles - Garw S.B.G.C. and Garw Athletic F.C.. This suggests [19] that in 2008 Athletic changed its name to Garw SBGC. Suggestions on which article to use for the base for merged content and how to delete and redirect after those decisions made would be welcomed Zanoni ( talk) 14:12, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
@ AMB220579: claims to be a 'friend' of Mr Bowyer, and says that the DOB is wrong (although numerous sources support it, except Hugman) and that his stint at Carshalton is incorrect (again, despite numerous sources supporting it). Thoughts/eyes welcome, as ever. Giant Snowman 11:17, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Maybe sending messages to someone calling them a vandal and doing disruptive editing is ok in your book GiantSnowman...it isn't in mine. Notice there's no apology from you for the messages you sent me. Cheers and have a good weekend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AMB220579 ( talk • contribs) 14:16, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
There has been fairly persistent disruptive editing on this page for some time, whether that it changing proper names incorrectly or changing dates in infoboxes against convention. If more people in the project would please watch the page, that would be appreciated. Jay eyem ( talk) 14:29, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
You know how we have websites in info boxes, I was wondering if it's a good idea to twitter account links as a footer in player and club info boxes or not. Govvy ( talk) 12:00, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Some of the footballers in the past have scored against the Macedonia national football team when the country was called Macedonia at the time. What I've noticed (and probably others too) is that when the Template:fb was updated to have the North Macedonia ... there, the result is the North Macedonia name has been displayed on the goal stats table when it wasn't known as that until somewhere in 2019. I see that David Beckham and Steven Gerrard have the name as it was at the time of scoring but some like Aaron Ramsey does not as he would know he scored against Macedonia in 2013 under that name. Iggy ( Swan) 08:55, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
|variant=
parameter to handle this sort of thing? Although it is normally to display a different flag, I think there is name associated with it. I can't seem to track down the flag variant list.
Jts1882 |
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09:11, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Should a fourth-placer written in Honours column, especially if the player/manager has never won the better achievement in the said competition? – Flix11 ( talk) 19:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Would some members from FOOTY mind taking a look at this article? I've tried to find and add citations whenever possible and do some other cleanup, but I think I've done about as much as I could. Most of the citations I found were to
lancasteronline|url-access=
parameter for the citations to "registration". (FWIW, I was able to work around that by having Google translate the article into a language other than English and then click on the "original text" button). I added a {{
COI}} template because someone claiming to be a co-owner of the team recently added quite a bit of updated content to the article, but perhaps that template could be removed if others feel there's no need for it. --
Marchjuly (
talk)
04:44, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Wanting a bit of advice here. Frecheville Community Association were formed in the 1950s and played in the FA Amateur Cup and FA Vase, so had a Wikipedia article.
Last year, they relocated to another home ground and renamed as Frecheville Davys. This summer (2019), a new Frecheville Community Association was formed back at the original venue.
The question is, which club should the Wikipedia article refer to? The old club that changed its name and location, or the new club that has taken the old name and ground? Kivo ( talk) 21:21, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
We don't have Category:White English sportspeople so why should we have a Black English sportspeople one? I really don't think it's appropriate to have category segregation, kinda sick if you ask me. Govvy ( talk) 08:37, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
It looks like Perform Group have dropped the Scoresway brand, and dropped it hard. From the links I've checked today, former working URLs to player, team and match pages on Scoresway just drop straight to a login page and (when cancelled) eventually redirect to the Soccerway home page via a splash "scoresway is now soccerway" kind of page.
I don't know how many links there are on wiki to Scoresway, but I'm guessing it approximates to a shit-ton.
The good news, is that because the player, team, match ids are consistent between the two, a bot should be able to sort them out. Hopefully some clever people are watching this page... Gricehead ( talk) 14:16, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
References
Link type | example | Scoresway | Soccerway | Soccerway (short) |
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Player | Saïd Arab (Red Star) | http://uk.soccerway.com/?sport=soccer&page=player&id=604379 | https://www.soccerway.com/players/said-arab/604379/ | https://www.soccerway.com/players/-/604379/ |
Match | Coupe de France 7th round game | http://uk.scoresway.com/?sport=soccer&page=match&id=2931250 | https://www.soccerway.com/matches/2018/11/18/france/coupe-de-france/st-orens/football-club-de-sete-34/2931250/ | ? (needs date)
https://www.soccerway.com/matches/2018/11/18/-/-/-/-/2931250/ |
Squad list | Athlético Marseille | http://uk.scoresway.com/?sport=soccer&page=team&id=8884&view=squad | https://www.soccerway.com/teams/france/gs-consolat-marseille/8884/squad/ | https://www.soccerway.com/teams/-/-/8884/squad/ |
Competition | 18-19 Championnat National 2 | http://www.scoresway.com/?sport=soccer&page=competition&id=354 | https://www.soccerway.com/national/france/cfa/20182019/group-a/r49262/ | ? (needs league name and id) |
I've created a template that converts the player url if you use {{ scoresway}} instead of {{ cite web}} (or {{ cite news}}).
So if the citation is ...
{{Cite web|title=Profile of Carlos Vela at Scoresway|url=http://www.scoresway.com/?sport=soccer&page=person&id=3370|publisher=Scoresway|accessdate=28 November 2014}}
... replace "cite web" with "scoresway" like this ...
{{Scoresway|title=Profile of Carlos Vela at Scoresway|url=http://www.scoresway.com/?sport=soccer&page=person&id=3370|publisher=Scoresway|accessdate=28 November 2014}}
... and the scoresway url [1] will be replaced with the soccerway one [2].
This is only a prototype, but it suggests that the player and squad citations can be fixed by using this template instead of cite web. Jts1882 | talk 08:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
References
Trying to work out what makes this chap notable? Giant Snowman 15:34, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Why do we include medaltemplates =
as a parameter in our infobox? It can be cluttering and is often (well, always) unsourced. I think we should remove. Thoughts?
Giant
Snowman
14:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
The article freestyle football has recently had a major rewrite ( diff) from an anonymous edit. I don't think the edit was an improvement and I'm inclined to revert, but the previous versions of the article are in poor shape as well. Maybe someone can take a look to see which is better. Either way, the article could definitely use some attention from knowledgeable people from this WikiProject. Deli nk ( talk) 16:54, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Wanted to double check, should it be Girona FC or at Girona F.C. for the Spanish club? Govvy ( talk) 11:27, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Input welcome at the article talk page. Giant Snowman 07:38, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
So I was browsing through some lists, and had a couple of questions I'd like reminding about.
Thanks, -- SuperJew ( talk) 21:16, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering whether or not globalsportsarchive.com were a reliable source for players' information (such as DoB, place of birth ecc...). Thanks, Nehme1499 ( talk) 17:04, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I have been working on this international results template after finding it was incomplete. I didn't realise quite how many were missing! It now needs split up, so my plan is to split the men's list into one for each confederation. But I'm wondering, do you think I should group the women's into those templates as well, dividing it as they have done in the original, or should I give the women their own template which would be divided into the confederations? I can see the arguments both ways (same governing bodies, but basically a different sport)...? Crowsus ( talk) 22:34, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn’t any player who has been selected to represent their country in a World Cup finals tournament be deemed inherently notable for GNG’s sake? To me it doesn’t make sense that a player who is brought on as a stoppage time substitute in one international friendly between two countries ranked outside the top 200 is classed as notable, however a player who has been selected to play in a FIFA World Cup isn’t. I’ve seen many AfDs pass/fail due to the sole reason of a player having “played in a fully professional league”, but evidently selection as a squad member in the FIFA World Cup itself isn’t deemed as “notable” enough for some?
Why can’t we deem that any player selected for the FIFA World Cup (or even Club World Cup) is automatically notable? I mean, isn’t that pretty notable within itself? - J man708 ( talk) 16:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Can perhaps an admin from here look at the behaviour of the Mehdifootball1377 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? I've reported them to AN/I here but I haven't received a response in three days and the issues are ongoing. Robby.is.on ( talk) 19:58, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi all. Just over from WP:CRIC. I've created a stub on Vernon Lewis, who played minor counties cricket for Suffolk, but also played for and captained Ipswich in the early 1900s. Apart from that, there's not much I could find on him. So leaving him here if anyone fancies expanding the article. Cheers. StickyWicket ( talk) 12:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Could someone please move
User:SportingFlyer/2019–20 Uganda Premier League to
2019–20 Uganda Premier League? I'd do it myself, but I get a warning the page has been salted/blacklisted, and the draft's ready to go.
SportingFlyer
T·
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Never mind - copy and pasted and that worked just fine for some reason.
SportingFlyer
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06:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Jozamba: So now we have Jozamba replacing home ground (of) with home stadium (of) or simply home of because the user doesn't appreciate home ground and thinks that home stadium is "much better" ( User talk:SLBedit#No home ground). SLBedit ( talk) 01:44, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Football is played in the stadium not ground. Ground is a floor you step your foot on. Jozamba ( talk) 01:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Good Afternoon,
Big fan of your site great work. Just one suggestion when it comes to football/soccer for goalkeepers it would be better to show they're clean sheet record than goals scored as very rare a goalkeeper scores and isn't really what you look for in goal keepers
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.98.20.162 ( talk) 09:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
I've been reading 1974 FA Cup Final and I see that the match report is sourced throughout to BBC and ITV highlights. Is that acceptable or should a written reliable source be used? Alternatively, is it like a book/film plot where the match itself is deemed to be its own source? Thanks. No Great Shaker ( talk) 15:46, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Any reason why ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:EFL Championship players exists? Giant Snowman 17:33, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
What's the right name? "Inter Women", "Inter Milan Women" or "F.C. Internazionale Milano Women"?-- Dipralb ( talk) 18:37, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Former player Marc Batchelor was murdered yesterday; a number of media reports say he was a South African national team player but I cannot find any of the usual sources which verify that. Any help appreciated! Giant Snowman 14:28, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians. I'm asking for a bit of advice on improving the articles on FIFA World Cup groups which contain detailed statistical info about the match, football kits colours, etc. (for example 1978 FIFA World Cup Group 2). In order to make these articles more informative and precise I would like to arrange the starting elevens of the listed teams according to their positions on the pitch. It's not an easy task for earlier tournaments because most of the sources about FIFA World Cups before 1998 lack information on lineups and team formations. Still this data can be restored basing on different sources (FIFA technical reports, books, online articles) some of which are not regarded by Wikipedia as reliable (here I mean commentators' words and videos of the matches). However in most of the videos the defensive lines of each side can be seen clearly, and commentators often call the players' names alongside with their positions (e.g. right back, centre half, etc.) - I guess they take this info from the start list which each one of them gets before the match. But since we don't have this info in written form its truthfulness becomes doubtful. What can you advise to get perfectly legal and confirmed information of the teams formations? Algorus ( talk) 13:41, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi all. Would anyone be able to let me know how many games, if any, Reginald Popham played for Norwich? He gained three England amatuer caps eitherside of WWI. Cheers! StickyWicket ( talk) 16:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, GiantSnowman reverted about six of my edits where i placed a 3rd place medal on the honours template in some of the 1934 FIFA World Cup German team contestants. I am confused about this, his edit summary tells me to see this very talk page, I have gone through the discussion, but I see no accordance and/or agreement anywhere, just mixed opinions. The infobox is supposed to demonstrate the player's highlights throughout his career and I am positive that achieving a top finish in a World Cup and/or the Olympic Games is one big highlight for sure. TheSoccerBoy (𝕥𝕒𝕝𝕜) 17:01, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
For international tournaments, where should the awards section be located on the page? Should it be a sub-section under the statistics section (for example at 2018 FIFA World Cup, UEFA Euro 2016 and 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup), or as its own heading (for example at 2010 FIFA World Cup and 2003 FIFA Women's World Cup)? If the latter, should it be above or below the statistic section? It would be best to have a consistent style, so any input would be appreciated. S.A. Julio ( talk) 06:26, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
An RFC has been started which affects many football articles. You can leave your thoughts here. T v x1 17:49, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Where should we put players that have only played for Belenenses SAD, under Category:C.F. Os Belenenses players or Category:Belenenses SAD players? SLBedit ( talk) 23:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Is this match really deemed to be notable as I feel like that it probably doesn't. HawkAussie ( talk) 23:32, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Is he not Lorenzo Pellegrini younger brother? Govvy ( talk) 10:58, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Someone using the IP address 176.59.47.149 has made edits to FC Barcelona players adding the cup honour to their honours list. Because this was a friendly tournament based on European only teams in neutral venues, I am not certain that it counts as an honour for these players. Iggy ( Swan) 20:48, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
If club B is considered the "continuation" of club A, should the article of club A be deleted and merged into the article of club B? Or should both remain as standalone articles? Thanks, Nehme1499 ( talk) 16:50, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
I am just questioning if the seasons articles for the Khuzestan Premier League is notable as none of the teams in the leagues have pages that are linked. This is making me question if these pages are notable or not.
HawkAussie ( talk) 23:44, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
A discussion at Talk:Stephen Smith (cricketer, born 1822)#Requested move 18 July 2019 also concerns Stephen Smith (footballer, born 1986) and Steven Smith (footballer). Since the two are born only a year apart and each is uniquely named, should the main title header for Stephen Smith (footballer, born 1986) be indicated as simply Stephen Smith (footballer) or should the header for Steven Smith (footballer) be indicated as Steven Smith (footballer, born 1985), thus providing a form that is analogous to Stephen Smith (footballer, born 1986)?
A similarly-positioned uncertainty at the same discussion concerns four footballers named Steve Smith — Steve Smith (footballer, born 1874), Steve Smith (footballer, born 1946), Steve Smith (footballer, born 1957) and Steve Smith (Scottish footballer). Proposal 1 may leave all four unchanged. Proposal 2 may analogously disambiguate all four by birth year — Steve Smith (footballer, born 1874), Steve Smith (footballer, born 1946), Steve Smith (footballer, born 1957) and Steve Smith (footballer, born 1899). Proposal 3 may analogously disambiguate all four by nationality and birth year — Steve Smith (English footballer, born 1874), Steve Smith (English footballer, born 1946), Steve Smith (English footballer, born 1957) and Steve Smith (Scottish footballer, born 1899). Proposal 4 may analogously disambiguate all four by playing position — Steve Smith (outside left), Steve Smith (midfielder), Steve Smith (English goalkeeper) and Steve Smith (Scottish goalkeeper). Still other proposals from members of WikiProject Football may indicate specific disambiguation guidelines relevant to the situations in question. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed a number of editors continue to add the same link back to the parent club of a season page, this is more about the use of the link in the season matches schedule. For example in 2019–20 Arsenal F.C. season#Matches. I am seeing a constant multiple link to Arsenal F.C. in the match list. The same with repeating the home venue for the Arsenal stadium, when really only the first instance should be linked. And the problem isn't just here it's on nearly every season page for every other club. I really feel I should remind editors to stop doing that. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 11:09, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
These are two ends of a spectrum with a grey area between them, which varies by context; exercise common sense.:)
if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead. My point is it's more of a common sense question than a hard line policy. -- SuperJew ( talk) 12:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, after much uncertainty, I look for an end of this prolonged debate:
Should a player forming part of a title-winning squad include the title in question in their honours section without necessarily playing in the final and/or the game where the title has been achieved?
I would say yes, as long as the player forms part of the squad, no matter the contribution, UNLESS there is a specific requirement for a winner's medal imposed by the tournament organization, ex: the five required games to be awarded an Premier League medal. But I can't use only my opinion to justify this in case it gets reverted, that is why I ask for a consensus to be reached, what are you guys'/girls' thoughts on this? TheSoccerBoy (𝕥𝕒𝕝𝕜) 07:19, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
This was deleted three years ago but it looks like he appeared for Esteghlal, which is a major team in Iran, so I would be willing to accept Draft:Navid Faridi to mainspace except I am unfamiliar with Farsi and am unsure if he played a match or not. Can someone else please take a look at this? Article needs a copy edit before it's accepted regardless. SportingFlyer T· C 07:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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The Danish Football Federation has a very good website on international players (both youth and senior), but they have unhelpfully recently changed link style from eg https://www.dbu.dk/landshold/Landsholdsdatabasen/LBasePlayerInfo.aspx?playerId=7831 to https://www.dbu.dk/landshold/landsholdsdatabasen/PlayerInfo/7831. I can run a simple AWB changing 'dbu.dk/landshold/Landsholdsdatabasen/LBasePlayerInfo.aspx?playerId=' to 'dbu.dk/landshold/landsholdsdatabasen/PlayerInfo/' (given the number hasn't changed) to fix the broken links, but does anybody have any idea how I find the links in the first place? Or do I just go through every article in ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Danish footballers? Giant Snowman 09:18, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
So I was thinking if their was any support for people who might be on Discord to have an #wpfootball channel created on the server. HawkAussie ( talk) 06:43, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
One user has nominated the article to try and promote this to be a good article. Two of the concerns of that is that the article is too long to read comfortably and the article has been repeatedly on the list of exceeded template include size which as a result does not display the templates at the bottom. The talk page shows how large each section is in bytes.
A large article does not always mean it is of good quality, particularly the latter concern above. One suggestion is to have this article peer reviewed before a good article reviewer starts working on it otherwise as it looks right now with ref scanning and reading the whole article, it may take a lot of time to finalise the process. It could end up as a speedy fail as what happened in previous nominations. Iggy ( Swan) 18:43, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
Recently seen a lot of categories pop up similar to Category:Hungary at the FIFA World Cup are these suitable categories? Should we really be linking the main world cup articles to all of these categories, simply because a team played in the world cup? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 08:20, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Is Template:Yugoslavia squad UEFA Euro 1992 really necessary? The Yugoslav team was banned prior to the final tournament and replaced by Denmark, this seems misleading to have a squad template. S.A. Julio ( talk) 17:21, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, an IP is adding the national flag to the article at Bhutan national football team. I'm not sure on the copyright status of these but I have seen them on lots of other articles.
Currently, there a few bots that are reverting this change, and it's been going on for a couple days. Anyone know what the status of this image should be. We are in a weird Mexican stand off between IP and bot. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 14:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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The problem is, you're just making your personal analysis of what the the discussion yielded (or rather didn't) and enforcing that as the only possible factual situation. The facts are though that there were plenty of people who where in support of allowing NFC crest for premier nation football teams (including even you). Your sole objection now on following this discussion now appears that wasn't finalized through perfect procedure. However the latter is not a mandatory requirement. Read WP:NOTBURO. Disagreements are resolved through consensus-based discussion, not by tightly sticking to rules and procedures. Regardless, I have posted a request to formally close the contended discussion. Let's see what that produces, but I'm still curious as to what the other WP:FOOTY members think of that discussion. T v x1 10:17, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, lately I've been keeping List of Spanish football transfers summer 2019 up to date and I thought: What if there were to be a small section in league season articles (big leagues at least) dedicated to their "top" transfers? It does not seem like a terrible idea to me, regarding how far apart these two sets of articles tend to be. Take hat-tricks as an example, the List of Premier League hat-tricks article would certainly not grab as much attention as it does at the moment if it weren't for the little "main article" detours placed in Premier League seasons' articles. These transfer articles are really not getting as much notice as they are meant to get in my opinion, and I am sure that a little "main article" redirect can lead many more readers to these sorts of pages.
Here is my model, I took 2018–19 La Liga as an example:
(header)Top transfers(header)
Rank | Date | Name | Moving from | Moving to | Initial Fee | Ref |
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1 | 10 July 2018 | Cristiano Ronaldo | Real Madrid | Juventus | €100M | Ref |
2 | 8 August 2018 | Kepa Arrizabalaga | Athletic Bilbao | Chelsea | €80M | Ref |
3 | 30 July 2018 | Thomas Lemar | Monaco | Atlético Madrid | €70M | Ref |
4 | 12 July 2018 | Vinícius Júnior | Flamengo | Real Madrid | €45M | Ref |
5 | 4 January 2019 | Paulinho | Barcelona | Guangzhou Evergrande | €42M | Ref |
6 | 24 July 2018 | Malcom | Bordeaux | Barcelona | €41M | Ref |
7 | 27 June 2018 | João Cancelo | Valencia | Juventus | €40.4M | Ref |
8 | 27 August 2018 | Gonçalo Guedes | Paris Saint-Germain | Valencia | €40M | Ref |
9 | 8 August 2018 | Thibaut Courtois | Chelsea | Real Madrid | €35M | Ref |
12 July 2018 | Clément Lenglet | Sevilla | Barcelona | Ref |
Quick Note: I didn't include references so I can avoid messing up this talk page, but all the transfers annotated in these tables will obviously have to include a reliable reference. Also, additional notes can be applied to some specific transfers such as Paulinho's 2018 loan converting into a permanent transfer after the buyout clause was triggered, and Kepa paying his own release clause and THEN joining Chelsea.
Personally, I think this would be a great addition and a breath of fresh air to many football season pages, let me know what you guys think, Thank you. TheSoccerBoy ( talk) 04:44, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, quick question: why do we remove stars from club logos (such as Juventus, Milan and Bayern) but keep them in national team logos ( Italy, England and Spain)? Thanks Nehme1499 ( talk) 19:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
We have two editors at Tom Hadler ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) who claim to be the subject and his brother, changing the height (despite it being sourced to multiple reliable sources). Myself and another Admin (@ ChrisTheDude:) have tried to discuss with them, including pointing them in the direction of OTRS, but to no avail. Raising here for further input; will also cross-post at WP:BLPN. Giant Snowman 10:48, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
It has been confirmed on many external sources [1] [2] [3] that Ashley Barnes cannot, and is ineligible to represent Austria internationally under FIFA eligibility rules. The source [4] from Burnley FC's website is therefore incorrect when it says Barnes is an Austrian international. Unless additional sources are provided showing that he can represent Austria in international football, please refrain from repeatedly changing his nationality to Austrian on the Burnley FC page.
Multiple senior users such as " Mattythewhite" and " Iggy the Swan" have accused me of 'edit warring' and/or have been constantly reverting my correct edits; which I believe is an abuse of power. " Mattythewhite" has also threatened me with a potential user account block.
Swazzer30 ( talk • contribs) 00:33, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
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and then later still pushed it to WP:FOOT after you again reverted not only the removal of sources, but also reinstated the wrong nationality. You need to check what you are reverting. Declaring an "edit war" while contributing to it isn't appropriate either. Koncorde ( talk) 00:33, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
He should be listed as English. Giant Snowman 09:33, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Do you think this is overkill (even if sourced)? I have removed Jorge Jesus' performance timeline. SLBedit ( talk) 23:07, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
I redirected this earlier to the main article on the grounds that there is very little useful information available yet. We don't even have a host city or any dates. However an ip has asked me about it so I'm coming here for guidance. When would we usually create this article? I'm willing to self-revert if it's round about now, but I don't see huge value in having the article yet. Valenciano ( talk) 18:29, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
86.146.28.90 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) – On Marc-André ter Stegen and Matthijs de Ligt:. This IP address has removed a content on ter Stegen's article without explaining why even though they were warned not to do so a few times. Reporting at WP:AIV resulted in @ Dlohcierekim: suggesting that we seek dispute resolution. That was attempted on Talk:Marc-André ter Stegen#RfC on lede but the anon did not participate, so what is expected this time that wasn't achieved last? Meanwhile @ GARY 809: has taken me to WP:AN3 and placed warnings on my talk page. Any assistance from an informed admin would be appreciated. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 17:13, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
I've asked for a reassessment, Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Watford F.C./1, I hope I done it all okay. Not sure if I need to post about it anywhere else. Govvy ( talk) 11:53, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wikipedia:WPF. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 ( talk) 15:38, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Nothing wrong with having an article on the team but much of the article feels like it violates WP:NOTWEBHOST and maybe WP:OR given the level the league is at, such as the fixture lists/results. Wanted a second or third opinion on what to do here before I take out the editing hatchet. SportingFlyer T· C 05:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello footballers,
I need someone more knowledgeable than I to review the contributions of this IP account that I recently blocked for vandalism. They have modified a lot of kits for various Spanish football teams that I have no idea are accurate or not. As an example, this diff appears to match up correctly for Concil CF's new home kit, but I cannot verify the accuracy of the other changes. Hope someone can help out. Sasquatch t| c 19:18, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi. In Lebanon, the Al-Manar Football Festival is the award ceremony where players are awarded certain awards such as "Lebanese Football League Best Player" or "Lebanese Football League Best Goal". The ceremony also includes the Team of the Season, with a specific formation (e.g. a 4-1-2-3, with specific roles such as left-back and defensive midfielder). The players in the TOTS are not only included in the formation but are also handed an award, for example, for "Lebanese Football League Best Striker" or "Lebanese Football League Best Right-back". My question is: in the honours section of the players' articles, is it enough to write "Lebanese Football League Team of the Season: 2018-19" or should "Lebanese Football League Best Striker" also be included? Thanks, sorry for the unnecessarily long post. Nehme1499 ( talk) 20:07, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
There's a slight disagreement at Watford F.C. about the foundation date, but that's not really why I'm here. Upon reading the article, it appears that a team known as 'West Herts' (and previously known as 'Watford Rovers') amalgamated with another (Watford St Mary's) in 1898 to found the present club we all know and love. However, West Herts seemingly appeared in the FA Cup in the 1880s. Shouldn't we have a separate article about the older, different club as it appears to be independently notable? That is established precedent when clubs merge. Giant Snowman 09:53, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Right now we've resolved the issue with the FA Cup / my memory, can we please discuss the merits of a separate article? Giant Snowman 20:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Could an editor who is familiar with sports table templates/Module:Sports table help me out?
I've already created the table template for the Argentine Primera División standings ( here) that is used for showing tables in a seasons article, but I am having difficulty in creating one for the relegation/average points table that Argentine football uses ( here). I'm inexperienced when it comes to these type of templates so haven't a clue how to create one/if one exists; I don't see a relegation table listed at Module:Sports table so assume it doesn't. Any help would be much appreciated. R96Skinner ( talk) 00:22, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Can one of the admin, please merge the Wakirya AC and Wakriya AC articles? The correct spelling is Wakriya ( http://www.wakriya.com). TheBigJagielka ( talk) 16:00, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Nlu: has been mass removing valid nationality categories. I have reverted a bunch and told them why. Further eyes/input would be welcome in case they insist on keeping up with their disruption... Giant Snowman 14:09, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, what qualifies a league as notable? Thanks. Nehme1499 ( talk) 14:57, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, just over from CRIC! I'm currently working my way through notable people to have played minor counties cricket for Northumberland. I'm wondering if someone could tell me if these two guys had notable football careers: Larry Liddell (Leeds) and Billy Milne (Newcastle). I don't write football articles so don't pay for access to the English National Football Archive, so can't check out if they appeared in any cup/league fixtures for them. Cheers. StickyWicket ( talk) 17:45, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Can I get some help please, Frietjes has been removing the Spurs navigation templates from the bottom of all the Tottenham season articles, I am finding it even worse to navigate between the articles I want now and have found the removal extremely inconvenient. It's made it really bad and I tried to restore the nav template only for Frietjes to removal them all again. I am shocked at this poor editing and wish for some help from someone to restored all the nav templates to the Tottenham season pages, cheers. Govvy ( talk) 14:40, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Every article that transcludes a given navbox should normally also be included as a link in the navbox so that the navigation is bidirectional.which means that every navbox on a page should include that page as a link. The main spurs navbox does not include the individual seasons. Spike 'em ( talk) 16:05, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Maybe you can explain why a football player like Lionel Messi is allowed all those navboxes? Why all the Man U seasons are allowed to use {{ Manchester United F.C.}} why, Man City season articles, the same, Arsenal, all other clubs have the same setup as what Spurs had, yet you're just removing the template from the Tottenham season articles and none of the others, fucking strange situation if you ask me. Govvy ( talk) 19:08, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Is anyone able to find out the teams and substitutes for the fixture from June 10th? Cheers - J man708 ( talk) 14:58, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, this IP user ( 185.103.20.250) keeps making disruptive edits on Nejmeh SC, removing certain players and changing other's names. This has been going on for more than a month. Can someone help me out? Thanks. Nehme1499 ( talk) 21:13, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
I am currently in a dispute with another editor on the article Bristol City F.C., the other user adds in record transfers on the article with the Transfermarkt source but I have removed that information, on the knowledge of the source not being reliable. I believe that I've done the right thing to remove that information on WP:RS but I should open up this discussion so that I won't go into a 3RR violation. Iggy ( Swan) 14:22, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm sure this has been discussed in the past, but surely sections in club articles like this detailing famous fans aren't notable? I would say that that they are trivial, unencyclopedic, and plays up to the celebrity culture that society is becoming ever indulged in. Mattythewhite ( talk) 16:34, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Sources specifically stating it will be in the (near) future, not yet (press conference in 2 days to confirm). Please see discussion on talk page given some editors don't understand that. Giant Snowman 14:51, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I was categorizing football pictures in Commons, and I drew a blank about these women [1], [2]. Perhaps they are former football players ? -- Rashinseita ( talk) 10:27, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
To follow on from a couple of previous discussions, I just wanted to know if there was a consensus as to whether we keep Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Club seasons as it is regarding results lists or if we change it (For background, I reverted edits on 1874–75 Dumbarton F.C. season and 1874–75 Dumbarton F.C. season before starting a discussion here which moved here. Tagging participants: @ Aitkegs and Crowsus:).
As far as I can see, there has been no consensus to change from a table of results to a list of collapsed footballbox templates but there are several pages which use this style so I want to establish which should be in the Manual of Style. The collapsed footballbox template contravenes WP:ACCESSIBILITY because it defaults to hiding information. It also means that there are sometimes 60+ footballbox templates per page depending on how successful a team has been in a given season compared to just three or four tables. I don't think a list of footballbox templates works with MOS:LIST but the table of results does work with MOS:LIST and MOS:TABLE. Both the football box templates and the table of results meet MOS:COLOUR.
There have also been discussions which argue that the table restricts the amount of information which can be included as it doesn't mention opposition scorers (which I would argue are irrelevant on a given team's season article - important goals against can be included in prose) or referees whereas the football box template allows you to include this. Should the consensus be to keep the table format, I'd propose we update it to include a referee column (as I believe has been done on some pages). Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 20:19, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Is it preferable to list second-place finishes in "Honours" sections? As per Google Dictionary, honour is "a thing conferred as a distinction, especially an official award for ... achievement", and Merriam-Webster defines honour as "an evidence or symbol of distinction: such as: an award in a contest or field of competition", while Cambridge Dictionary says it's "a reward, prize, or title that expresses admiration or respect". Now, take Maurizio Sarri's article for example. It lists " Serie B runner-up" and "EFL Cup runner-up" among his honours. The problem with this is that runners-up do not receive medals in Serie B. Moreover, according to the title of The Telegraph match report, " Manchester City took the 2018–19 EFL Cup honours". (Sarri managed Chelsea at the time.) If contributors were to list second-place finishes in lower divisions due to promotions, I believe they'd need to list sixth-place finishes from top leagues as well, as teams that finish in the top six (usually) qualify for group stages of different European competitions.
Suggested layout for footballer biographies doesn't include second-place finishes in its "Honours" section. Nor do articles Arsène Wenger ( GA), Lionel Messi (GA), Arjen Robben (GA), Francesco Totti (GA), Bobby Robson ( FA), Sigi Schmid (FA) et cetera. Counterarguments include Steve Bruce (FA), Gilberto Silva (FA), John Wark (FA), Alf Ramsey (FA) and others. Electronic data processor ( talk) 06:34, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Is this draft article useful at all? At first glance, it reads like a grabbag of facts about specific countries, probably better covered in country articles. Should the article be accepted or declined? Calliopejen1 ( talk) 17:19, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Any suggestions on how to handle this situation. The old Welsh Football League Division One (step 2) was abolished at the end of the 18–19 season and was replaced by the FAW Championship South & Mid (also step 2).
The Welsh Football League Division Two (step 3) has been rebranded as Division One (also step 3). [3] This will be for the 19–20 season only as the FAW has confirmed from 20–21 season there will be 4 new regional FAW League One sections. [4]
The Welsh Football League Division Three (step 4) has been rebranded as Division Two. From 20–21 season leagues at step 4 will remain the responsibility of local league associations across Wales.
So - rename the articles for Division Two as Division One and Division Two as Division One would seem obvious - BUT then there is an existing Division One already which is now a defunct league etc...
Any suggestions how to proceed?
Zanoni ( talk) 08:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I think I have already asked this question but has anyone found a solution to FIFA removing their official national team fixture list (such as here) in favour of an ad for their app? I used to use the page as the primary source for Lebanon national football team results. I know elo rankings has a similar list but I know for a fact ELO considers certain matches FIFA doesn't and vice-versa. Any solution? Thanks, Nehme1499 ( talk) 22:35, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Can somebody please review the edits of JP26235 ( talk · contribs) who is adding unreferenced 'medals' to literally hundreds and hundreds of footballer infoboxes... Giant Snowman 11:53, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
While we're on the subject of infobox honours, I've wondered for a while: why? We have dedicated sections in articles for honours, so why do we duplicate them in the infobox? Why do they tend to only be international honours and not club honours? And most importantly, perhaps, they're never sourced. Mattythewhite ( talk) 12:56, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Canada wore white kits and Cuba wore red kits in their group A match - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiqhJuWtg14/ /info/en/?search=2019_CONCACAF_Gold_Cup_Group_A Nicaragua wore white shorts against Bermuda in their group B match - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG9KgpEro5A /info/en/?search=2019_CONCACAF_Gold_Cup_Group_B — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariosbessa ( talk • contribs) 15:04, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
On a side note, Cuba seems to have changed their logo, can someone update it? I can't find it online. The new logo can be seen in this video around 2:04. Nehme1499 ( talk) 16:37, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Looking at the discussion between @ MYS77: and @ TheSoccerBoy: at the 2019–20 La Liga article, I decided to start again this for having a new consensus.
I remembered I opened a section years ago ( Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 95#"Betis" or "Real Betis"?) and, despite I agreed with MYS77 for using the term "Betis", more of the users were for using "Real Betis". Personally, I am against using the term "Real" except for Real Madrid, Real Sociedad and Real Unión, as they are the only three teams more known here with the "Real" than without it. Asturkian ( talk) 15:36, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
What I mean is every club refers itself as Real, but out of it (newspapers, neutral websites, etc.), all of them except RM, RS and Real Unión are always mentioned without the royal term. Asturkian ( talk) 16:21, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Could an Admin please semi-protect Sepp van den Berg, also it needs a clean-up. JMHamo ( talk) 11:31, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
I've just created an article about this guy. Two queries following my research:
Any help appreciated! Giant Snowman 18:53, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
A user recently created this category and began moving players from Category:2000 births into it. Isn't this an overkill? -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:57, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Just created by @ Sapphia: - thoughts? I think we need to delete it. Giant Snowman 11:11, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
The category '2000 births' is extremely overcrowded and difficult to navigate. Moving pages into subcategories (the Football one will have over 100 anyway) makes it easier for users to navigate Wikipedia and find the information they are looking for. Sapphia ( talk) 15:07, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Any Australian Rules Football players will be removed from the subcategory. Sapphia ( talk) 15:14, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@GiantSnowman I have suspended my activity regarding this category. However, I would like to know why this is an 'overkill'. - Sapphia ( talk) 15:23, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Can anyone help me out - I have tried looking - including a few searches within news-sites using advanced search function in Google - but struggling to find either a current list of clubs in the league or the final 2018-19 league table positions. League wise, this seems to be the nearest to an official site - but its pretty poor and doesn't help [9] - any suggestions? Zanoni ( talk) 17:05, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
I noticed that despite North Macedonia national football team having played four fixtures as North Macedonia, many of their players (example: Goran Pandev) have the international side listed as 'Macedonia' in their infobox. Before making edits to a number of pages, I am seeking clarification as to what the standard practice is. Looking at the pages of former West German players Lothar Matthäus and Jürgen Klinsmann, two different stances have been taken. The page for Matthäus notes his entire international career as being for 'Germany', while Klinsmann's is divided between 'West Germany' (until 1990) and 'Germany' (following reunification). I fully understand that the name change from FYROM to North Macedonia isn't as seismic as German reuinification, but for the effects on the football team I think they are fairly similar (the West German team didn't cease to exist, they didn't cease to be a member of FIFA / UEFA – Germany is a continuation of West Germany).
Which should be followed when editing articles of players for the North Macedonia national team? I don't think it's controversial to say that players that have yet to play (or have never played) for 'North Macedonia' shouldn't have their pages changed, nor should youth international team names be changed if they appeared for those sides pre-name change. Domeditrix ( talk) 15:33, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Did we do anything specifically for Eswatini players? I personally support changing Macedonia to North Macedonia in all instances. SportingFlyer T· C 22:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Hey, is this Category:Fb bg templates really needed? Used here for example... Kante4 ( talk) 14:25, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
This article has been the target of a significant number of reverts over the past couple of days with the club logo. From the page history, four people have been involved in it, two of them have been restoring the logo from Arsenal F.C. while the other two reverts the edits back to the logo with the word "ladies" underneath. This is starting to be serious when it comes to violations of the revert rule. The following edit summary points to a closed discussion as to why we can't include the men's logo in the women's variety and I was reverted from the Under 23's version for that same discussion. I have noticed the closed discussion on the notice board but edits are continuing to be made. Iggy ( Swan) 12:14, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone get why there is a pound sign column on Megan_Rapinoe#International_goals? NE Ent 22:49, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
WikiProject Women in Red is devoting the next two months (July and August) to a virtual editathon on Women in Sports. Please take this opportunity to write more articles about women footballers who lag far behind men on Wikipedia's coverage of sports.-- Ipigott ( talk) 06:55, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Just came across this article Gothia Cup. It's in quite a state, and needs serious cleanup. I was planning on taking a look - it currently has FANCRUFT, wall of Blue, and External links in the text - but do we have any specific way to show these types of articles (such as the Norway Cup), for big sporting occasions in terms of a MoS? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 16:28, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, in Belgium's article (FA) and Lebanon's article (GA) there is a "position" column in the competitive record tables (such as the World Cup table or the Euros table). While determining the team's position is fairly straightforward in most cases, there are a few situations that come to mind. Mainly: if the tournament involved only 4 teams, with no 3rd place match, what position should be listed for the two losing semi-finalists? 3rd for the team with the better goal-difference and 4th for the other team, 3rd to both, n/a? This is the case of Italy's women's team at the 1984 Euros. I have temporarily put n/a as putting "3rd of 4" or "4th of 4" seemed misleading. What are your opinions? Thanks, Nehme1499 ( talk) 18:57, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Polite reminder - please do not update their 'current' club until that date, even if they have signed a new contract with a new club, as that won't come into effect until 1 July. Giant Snowman 14:20, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
So I have updated the page to a good amount, but now I am trying to work out who would be the notable players that played for the national team and I am stumped on that section. HawkAussie ( talk) 02:50, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Ben Davis (Australian footballer) just made his professional debut (article will be created soon), so Ben Davis (footballer) is now ambiguous, and should be moved. I was going to move him to Ben Davis (Singaporean footballer), but read that he's likely to not ever use his Singaporean nationality due to a military service dispute, and is playing for Fulham Academy as a British player (Welsh born father). To further complicate matters, his mother is Thai, and he was born in Thailand. Now, by WP:NFOOTBALL, he's not even notable, but I think from the "first Singaporean to sign with an EPL team" and the military service stories he meets WP:GNG, so I don't think it should be deleted. But should he be moved to Ben Davis (Singaporean footballer) despite that he might never play in Singapore and wasn't born there, Ben Davis (British footballer), Ben Davis (Fulham footballer), something else or should the ambiguity be kept and just hatnote it? The-Pope ( talk) 15:37, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Rename to Watford F.C. chairman and directors ? Govvy ( talk) 13:04, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
In the Gold Cup 2019 article there are unsourced Final Rankings constantly added. We should have a eye on it.-- Anaxagoras13 ( talk) 14:24, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Extremadura UD offcially changed their stadium name to Estadio Ciudad de Almendralejo, can someone change the name of the article to its new name to avoid future confusion? Sorry, I am really unfamiliar with the name change topic, just had to bring it up. Thank you. TheSoccerBoy ( talk) 20:52, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
User:Mar400r has gone and changed the title of all the individual Africa Cup of Nations tournament pages from 2004 backwards to "Africa Cup of Nations" from "African Cup of Nations". The name of the competition until 2006 was "African Cup of Nations", only 2006 onwards did it become "Africa Cup of Nations" (without the n in African). Is there a way to set it back without having to go into every article and changing it? Also now the other articles for each edition aren't consistent, for example the squads and final for each competition have one name (African) and the tournament page itself has another (Africa). TonyStarks ( talk) 02:42, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Western Sydney Wanderers FC NPL seems to be a content fork of Western Sydney Wanderers FC Reserves. Not familiar with Australia football scene so if someone can take a look and that will be great! Thanks -- Xaiver0510 ( talk) 03:14, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Is it just me or does this article about a relatively obscure rating system contain way too much information which is INDISCRIMINATE if not WP:OR? Not only is it very large (150 kB) but there seems to be, apart from the trainload of primary, non-independent or unrelated sources, only one proper independent source dealing with the subject (i.e. this one). The whole seems to have been raised already a while ago on article talk, but no permanent remedy seems to have come, and given my latest attempts at dealing with WP:INDISCRIMINATE in sports articles, thought I'd get the input of a wee bit more people here? Should I try trimming it down, or should we just sent the whole thing to AfD for lacking notability (I've checked the references from the previous, they appear to be trivial mentions)? 107.190.33.254 ( talk) 03:11, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
This user, who has already been blocked under one IP, has an obsession with changing "F.C." to "FC" in various Kent-based articles, even after being repeatedly asked to stop. I know it's not a big deal, although the fact that it includes in some cases changing perfectly fine direct links to redirects is mildly irksome. Could I get a few more eyes on their contributions? Thanks! -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 10:37, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
He is still at Tottenham and this is kind of first hand knowledge which isn't really released, he had a few training sessions with the reserves, yet people keep saying he left the club, from what I know he hasn't actually left the club, but he might be out of contract. I am not sure what to put down or do about his article. Govvy ( talk) 17:04, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Please note that players signified as a "free transfer" or released by a club on the expiry of their contract on 30 June 2019 could still remain there next season. So this list should not be seen as definitive for players leaving their club.. If the PL release is saying that it shouldn't be seen as evidence the player have left the club, we shouldn't be using it as a source for than fact. Jts1882 | talk 10:43, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
More eyes welcome at Talk:Nakumatt F.C.#Requested move 9 June 2019, where @ Andrewa: has opposed my suggested page move despite the club changing their official name. Giant Snowman 10:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Note the subsequent discussion at Talk:Nakumatt F.C.. I'm sorry it got a bit personal. Wikipedia seems to have abandoned the original spirit of WP:NPA.
My point is that A source may be considered primary for one statement but secondary for a different one, and sources can contain both primary and secondary source material for the same statement. [15] So it's not helpful to just say that Soccerway is not a primary source. The policy is a bit more complicated than that!
If (as I'm guessing from the tone of this discussion) this WikiProject relies heavily on Soccerway, some discussion of its reliability and relationship to the clubs should be on record, and may already be somewhere for all I know. The deletion of its article is not a show-stopper by any means, but another reason for this discussion. Andrewa ( talk) 20:39, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Please note this contribution by Struway2 which details sound reasons for considering Soccerway a reliable secondary source for some things, but concludes that for the purpose of deciding the article name it is a primary source. (I hope I have that correct.)
Please compare this to [16] [17] and [18] by GiantSnowman. The second and third of these contain particularly silly statements, but they all miss the point.
But hopefully this was not a complete waste of time. The detailed analysis by Struway2 (diff above) can and should be cited whenever the question of the reliability and independence of Soccerway comes up. The need for secondary sources in an RM, and for giving your reasons for a move (whether as a supporter or proposer), will I hope be noted, as will other policies linked to in the RM in question. And we got there, and the move will improve Wikipedia. Best. Andrewa ( talk) 23:55, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
This seems likely to be archived without further response, but again please read this contribution by Struway2. It shows understanding that a reliable secondary source for some material can contain other material for which it is a primary source. This is quite explicit in the policy, and a widespread and continuing failure to appreciate this point, both in the original RM proposal and in subsequent discussion both there and here, appears to me to be the main problem. And yes, I know some think the only problem is me, and that I'm giving a lecture on policy.
Compare that post to this one by SportingFlyer which assumes that I'm saying the whole article is a primary source. I'm not. I'm saying that on this one matter, this article is a primary source. (And I still do. And the only other source cited in the RM at the time I first !voted was the club's own website. Anyone who thinks the club's own website is a secondary source just hasn't read the policy.)
I am giving a lecture. It's needed. Please check my facts. Andrewa ( talk) 12:03, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Can someone knowledgeable on the topic please review recent changes to the article David Nugent ( changes since June 16). I've undone some edits that look like vandalism to me, but I'm not sure about some of the other changes. Thank you. Deli nk ( talk) 10:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
I've been doing some work to work on bringing up-to-date the Welsh Football pyramid and clubs. I came across the following two club articles - Garw S.B.G.C. and Garw Athletic F.C.. This suggests [19] that in 2008 Athletic changed its name to Garw SBGC. Suggestions on which article to use for the base for merged content and how to delete and redirect after those decisions made would be welcomed Zanoni ( talk) 14:12, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
@ AMB220579: claims to be a 'friend' of Mr Bowyer, and says that the DOB is wrong (although numerous sources support it, except Hugman) and that his stint at Carshalton is incorrect (again, despite numerous sources supporting it). Thoughts/eyes welcome, as ever. Giant Snowman 11:17, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Maybe sending messages to someone calling them a vandal and doing disruptive editing is ok in your book GiantSnowman...it isn't in mine. Notice there's no apology from you for the messages you sent me. Cheers and have a good weekend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AMB220579 ( talk • contribs) 14:16, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
There has been fairly persistent disruptive editing on this page for some time, whether that it changing proper names incorrectly or changing dates in infoboxes against convention. If more people in the project would please watch the page, that would be appreciated. Jay eyem ( talk) 14:29, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
You know how we have websites in info boxes, I was wondering if it's a good idea to twitter account links as a footer in player and club info boxes or not. Govvy ( talk) 12:00, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Some of the footballers in the past have scored against the Macedonia national football team when the country was called Macedonia at the time. What I've noticed (and probably others too) is that when the Template:fb was updated to have the North Macedonia ... there, the result is the North Macedonia name has been displayed on the goal stats table when it wasn't known as that until somewhere in 2019. I see that David Beckham and Steven Gerrard have the name as it was at the time of scoring but some like Aaron Ramsey does not as he would know he scored against Macedonia in 2013 under that name. Iggy ( Swan) 08:55, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
|variant=
parameter to handle this sort of thing? Although it is normally to display a different flag, I think there is name associated with it. I can't seem to track down the flag variant list.
Jts1882 |
talk
09:11, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Should a fourth-placer written in Honours column, especially if the player/manager has never won the better achievement in the said competition? – Flix11 ( talk) 19:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Would some members from FOOTY mind taking a look at this article? I've tried to find and add citations whenever possible and do some other cleanup, but I think I've done about as much as I could. Most of the citations I found were to
lancasteronline|url-access=
parameter for the citations to "registration". (FWIW, I was able to work around that by having Google translate the article into a language other than English and then click on the "original text" button). I added a {{
COI}} template because someone claiming to be a co-owner of the team recently added quite a bit of updated content to the article, but perhaps that template could be removed if others feel there's no need for it. --
Marchjuly (
talk)
04:44, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Wanting a bit of advice here. Frecheville Community Association were formed in the 1950s and played in the FA Amateur Cup and FA Vase, so had a Wikipedia article.
Last year, they relocated to another home ground and renamed as Frecheville Davys. This summer (2019), a new Frecheville Community Association was formed back at the original venue.
The question is, which club should the Wikipedia article refer to? The old club that changed its name and location, or the new club that has taken the old name and ground? Kivo ( talk) 21:21, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
We don't have Category:White English sportspeople so why should we have a Black English sportspeople one? I really don't think it's appropriate to have category segregation, kinda sick if you ask me. Govvy ( talk) 08:37, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
It looks like Perform Group have dropped the Scoresway brand, and dropped it hard. From the links I've checked today, former working URLs to player, team and match pages on Scoresway just drop straight to a login page and (when cancelled) eventually redirect to the Soccerway home page via a splash "scoresway is now soccerway" kind of page.
I don't know how many links there are on wiki to Scoresway, but I'm guessing it approximates to a shit-ton.
The good news, is that because the player, team, match ids are consistent between the two, a bot should be able to sort them out. Hopefully some clever people are watching this page... Gricehead ( talk) 14:16, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
References
Link type | example | Scoresway | Soccerway | Soccerway (short) |
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Player | Saïd Arab (Red Star) | http://uk.soccerway.com/?sport=soccer&page=player&id=604379 | https://www.soccerway.com/players/said-arab/604379/ | https://www.soccerway.com/players/-/604379/ |
Match | Coupe de France 7th round game | http://uk.scoresway.com/?sport=soccer&page=match&id=2931250 | https://www.soccerway.com/matches/2018/11/18/france/coupe-de-france/st-orens/football-club-de-sete-34/2931250/ | ? (needs date)
https://www.soccerway.com/matches/2018/11/18/-/-/-/-/2931250/ |
Squad list | Athlético Marseille | http://uk.scoresway.com/?sport=soccer&page=team&id=8884&view=squad | https://www.soccerway.com/teams/france/gs-consolat-marseille/8884/squad/ | https://www.soccerway.com/teams/-/-/8884/squad/ |
Competition | 18-19 Championnat National 2 | http://www.scoresway.com/?sport=soccer&page=competition&id=354 | https://www.soccerway.com/national/france/cfa/20182019/group-a/r49262/ | ? (needs league name and id) |
I've created a template that converts the player url if you use {{ scoresway}} instead of {{ cite web}} (or {{ cite news}}).
So if the citation is ...
{{Cite web|title=Profile of Carlos Vela at Scoresway|url=http://www.scoresway.com/?sport=soccer&page=person&id=3370|publisher=Scoresway|accessdate=28 November 2014}}
... replace "cite web" with "scoresway" like this ...
{{Scoresway|title=Profile of Carlos Vela at Scoresway|url=http://www.scoresway.com/?sport=soccer&page=person&id=3370|publisher=Scoresway|accessdate=28 November 2014}}
... and the scoresway url [1] will be replaced with the soccerway one [2].
This is only a prototype, but it suggests that the player and squad citations can be fixed by using this template instead of cite web. Jts1882 | talk 08:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
References
Trying to work out what makes this chap notable? Giant Snowman 15:34, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Why do we include medaltemplates =
as a parameter in our infobox? It can be cluttering and is often (well, always) unsourced. I think we should remove. Thoughts?
Giant
Snowman
14:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
The article freestyle football has recently had a major rewrite ( diff) from an anonymous edit. I don't think the edit was an improvement and I'm inclined to revert, but the previous versions of the article are in poor shape as well. Maybe someone can take a look to see which is better. Either way, the article could definitely use some attention from knowledgeable people from this WikiProject. Deli nk ( talk) 16:54, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Wanted to double check, should it be Girona FC or at Girona F.C. for the Spanish club? Govvy ( talk) 11:27, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Input welcome at the article talk page. Giant Snowman 07:38, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
So I was browsing through some lists, and had a couple of questions I'd like reminding about.
Thanks, -- SuperJew ( talk) 21:16, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering whether or not globalsportsarchive.com were a reliable source for players' information (such as DoB, place of birth ecc...). Thanks, Nehme1499 ( talk) 17:04, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I have been working on this international results template after finding it was incomplete. I didn't realise quite how many were missing! It now needs split up, so my plan is to split the men's list into one for each confederation. But I'm wondering, do you think I should group the women's into those templates as well, dividing it as they have done in the original, or should I give the women their own template which would be divided into the confederations? I can see the arguments both ways (same governing bodies, but basically a different sport)...? Crowsus ( talk) 22:34, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn’t any player who has been selected to represent their country in a World Cup finals tournament be deemed inherently notable for GNG’s sake? To me it doesn’t make sense that a player who is brought on as a stoppage time substitute in one international friendly between two countries ranked outside the top 200 is classed as notable, however a player who has been selected to play in a FIFA World Cup isn’t. I’ve seen many AfDs pass/fail due to the sole reason of a player having “played in a fully professional league”, but evidently selection as a squad member in the FIFA World Cup itself isn’t deemed as “notable” enough for some?
Why can’t we deem that any player selected for the FIFA World Cup (or even Club World Cup) is automatically notable? I mean, isn’t that pretty notable within itself? - J man708 ( talk) 16:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Can perhaps an admin from here look at the behaviour of the Mehdifootball1377 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? I've reported them to AN/I here but I haven't received a response in three days and the issues are ongoing. Robby.is.on ( talk) 19:58, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi all. Just over from WP:CRIC. I've created a stub on Vernon Lewis, who played minor counties cricket for Suffolk, but also played for and captained Ipswich in the early 1900s. Apart from that, there's not much I could find on him. So leaving him here if anyone fancies expanding the article. Cheers. StickyWicket ( talk) 12:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Could someone please move
User:SportingFlyer/2019–20 Uganda Premier League to
2019–20 Uganda Premier League? I'd do it myself, but I get a warning the page has been salted/blacklisted, and the draft's ready to go.
SportingFlyer
T·
C 06:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Never mind - copy and pasted and that worked just fine for some reason.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
06:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Jozamba: So now we have Jozamba replacing home ground (of) with home stadium (of) or simply home of because the user doesn't appreciate home ground and thinks that home stadium is "much better" ( User talk:SLBedit#No home ground). SLBedit ( talk) 01:44, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Football is played in the stadium not ground. Ground is a floor you step your foot on. Jozamba ( talk) 01:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Good Afternoon,
Big fan of your site great work. Just one suggestion when it comes to football/soccer for goalkeepers it would be better to show they're clean sheet record than goals scored as very rare a goalkeeper scores and isn't really what you look for in goal keepers
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.98.20.162 ( talk) 09:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
I've been reading 1974 FA Cup Final and I see that the match report is sourced throughout to BBC and ITV highlights. Is that acceptable or should a written reliable source be used? Alternatively, is it like a book/film plot where the match itself is deemed to be its own source? Thanks. No Great Shaker ( talk) 15:46, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Any reason why ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:EFL Championship players exists? Giant Snowman 17:33, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
What's the right name? "Inter Women", "Inter Milan Women" or "F.C. Internazionale Milano Women"?-- Dipralb ( talk) 18:37, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Former player Marc Batchelor was murdered yesterday; a number of media reports say he was a South African national team player but I cannot find any of the usual sources which verify that. Any help appreciated! Giant Snowman 14:28, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians. I'm asking for a bit of advice on improving the articles on FIFA World Cup groups which contain detailed statistical info about the match, football kits colours, etc. (for example 1978 FIFA World Cup Group 2). In order to make these articles more informative and precise I would like to arrange the starting elevens of the listed teams according to their positions on the pitch. It's not an easy task for earlier tournaments because most of the sources about FIFA World Cups before 1998 lack information on lineups and team formations. Still this data can be restored basing on different sources (FIFA technical reports, books, online articles) some of which are not regarded by Wikipedia as reliable (here I mean commentators' words and videos of the matches). However in most of the videos the defensive lines of each side can be seen clearly, and commentators often call the players' names alongside with their positions (e.g. right back, centre half, etc.) - I guess they take this info from the start list which each one of them gets before the match. But since we don't have this info in written form its truthfulness becomes doubtful. What can you advise to get perfectly legal and confirmed information of the teams formations? Algorus ( talk) 13:41, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi all. Would anyone be able to let me know how many games, if any, Reginald Popham played for Norwich? He gained three England amatuer caps eitherside of WWI. Cheers! StickyWicket ( talk) 16:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, GiantSnowman reverted about six of my edits where i placed a 3rd place medal on the honours template in some of the 1934 FIFA World Cup German team contestants. I am confused about this, his edit summary tells me to see this very talk page, I have gone through the discussion, but I see no accordance and/or agreement anywhere, just mixed opinions. The infobox is supposed to demonstrate the player's highlights throughout his career and I am positive that achieving a top finish in a World Cup and/or the Olympic Games is one big highlight for sure. TheSoccerBoy (𝕥𝕒𝕝𝕜) 17:01, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
For international tournaments, where should the awards section be located on the page? Should it be a sub-section under the statistics section (for example at 2018 FIFA World Cup, UEFA Euro 2016 and 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup), or as its own heading (for example at 2010 FIFA World Cup and 2003 FIFA Women's World Cup)? If the latter, should it be above or below the statistic section? It would be best to have a consistent style, so any input would be appreciated. S.A. Julio ( talk) 06:26, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
An RFC has been started which affects many football articles. You can leave your thoughts here. T v x1 17:49, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Where should we put players that have only played for Belenenses SAD, under Category:C.F. Os Belenenses players or Category:Belenenses SAD players? SLBedit ( talk) 23:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Is this match really deemed to be notable as I feel like that it probably doesn't. HawkAussie ( talk) 23:32, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Is he not Lorenzo Pellegrini younger brother? Govvy ( talk) 10:58, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Someone using the IP address 176.59.47.149 has made edits to FC Barcelona players adding the cup honour to their honours list. Because this was a friendly tournament based on European only teams in neutral venues, I am not certain that it counts as an honour for these players. Iggy ( Swan) 20:48, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
If club B is considered the "continuation" of club A, should the article of club A be deleted and merged into the article of club B? Or should both remain as standalone articles? Thanks, Nehme1499 ( talk) 16:50, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
I am just questioning if the seasons articles for the Khuzestan Premier League is notable as none of the teams in the leagues have pages that are linked. This is making me question if these pages are notable or not.
HawkAussie ( talk) 23:44, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
A discussion at Talk:Stephen Smith (cricketer, born 1822)#Requested move 18 July 2019 also concerns Stephen Smith (footballer, born 1986) and Steven Smith (footballer). Since the two are born only a year apart and each is uniquely named, should the main title header for Stephen Smith (footballer, born 1986) be indicated as simply Stephen Smith (footballer) or should the header for Steven Smith (footballer) be indicated as Steven Smith (footballer, born 1985), thus providing a form that is analogous to Stephen Smith (footballer, born 1986)?
A similarly-positioned uncertainty at the same discussion concerns four footballers named Steve Smith — Steve Smith (footballer, born 1874), Steve Smith (footballer, born 1946), Steve Smith (footballer, born 1957) and Steve Smith (Scottish footballer). Proposal 1 may leave all four unchanged. Proposal 2 may analogously disambiguate all four by birth year — Steve Smith (footballer, born 1874), Steve Smith (footballer, born 1946), Steve Smith (footballer, born 1957) and Steve Smith (footballer, born 1899). Proposal 3 may analogously disambiguate all four by nationality and birth year — Steve Smith (English footballer, born 1874), Steve Smith (English footballer, born 1946), Steve Smith (English footballer, born 1957) and Steve Smith (Scottish footballer, born 1899). Proposal 4 may analogously disambiguate all four by playing position — Steve Smith (outside left), Steve Smith (midfielder), Steve Smith (English goalkeeper) and Steve Smith (Scottish goalkeeper). Still other proposals from members of WikiProject Football may indicate specific disambiguation guidelines relevant to the situations in question. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed a number of editors continue to add the same link back to the parent club of a season page, this is more about the use of the link in the season matches schedule. For example in 2019–20 Arsenal F.C. season#Matches. I am seeing a constant multiple link to Arsenal F.C. in the match list. The same with repeating the home venue for the Arsenal stadium, when really only the first instance should be linked. And the problem isn't just here it's on nearly every season page for every other club. I really feel I should remind editors to stop doing that. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 11:09, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
These are two ends of a spectrum with a grey area between them, which varies by context; exercise common sense.:)
if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead. My point is it's more of a common sense question than a hard line policy. -- SuperJew ( talk) 12:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, after much uncertainty, I look for an end of this prolonged debate:
Should a player forming part of a title-winning squad include the title in question in their honours section without necessarily playing in the final and/or the game where the title has been achieved?
I would say yes, as long as the player forms part of the squad, no matter the contribution, UNLESS there is a specific requirement for a winner's medal imposed by the tournament organization, ex: the five required games to be awarded an Premier League medal. But I can't use only my opinion to justify this in case it gets reverted, that is why I ask for a consensus to be reached, what are you guys'/girls' thoughts on this? TheSoccerBoy (𝕥𝕒𝕝𝕜) 07:19, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
This was deleted three years ago but it looks like he appeared for Esteghlal, which is a major team in Iran, so I would be willing to accept Draft:Navid Faridi to mainspace except I am unfamiliar with Farsi and am unsure if he played a match or not. Can someone else please take a look at this? Article needs a copy edit before it's accepted regardless. SportingFlyer T· C 07:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)