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Can someone explain to me why articles for American and Canadian clubs use a different squad list template than everyone else? It doesn't make sense that we're not all on the same page, and it makes even less sense that they've chosen to use a template that's considerably worse than the one we're using on the vast majority of articles. Wicka wicka ( talk) 20:15, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Number 57: Not doubting your word, but it does seem odd that the names etc should be read differently. I tried installing Window-eyes to try and reproduce your findings, but it sent my laptop funny so I uninstalled it again :(
I did install the Firefox add-on Fangs, as recommended at Wikipedia:Alternative text for images#Audience, which is a JAWS emulator in text form so you read what the screen-reader user would hear. There appears to be no difference in the way it reads the headings, squad numbers, country names or player names in either version. It reads the position initials GK etc in the traditional one and the written-out positions in the alternative. The significant difference is in the table structure. The alternative, e.g. Seattle Sounders FC#Current roster, is just a simple table:
But the traditional is a large table with two smaller nested tables i.e. the two columns. Using Bolton Wanderers F.C.#Current squad, it outputs
That makes no difference to us looking at it but isn't desirable logically, per MOS:DTT#Avoiding nested data tables.
Incidentally, and not screen-reader related, I just asked the person next to me to view on their Android phone using the WikiApp. The alternative template came up fine. The traditional one came up as two separate dropdown tables, one for each column (which the person concerned finds irritating) with no flags visible at all even in landscape mode. And I'd forgotten what Koppapa alluded to above, that the traditional template still has flags without even a trigramme to help the ignorant. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 17:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
What's the general consensus on the cases of abandoned and awarded games? Do they count for the total matches/total goals infobox stats? I can see several scenarios like 1) match played in full and result changed later due to ineligible player or other technicality, 2) match started but abandoned due to some incident and later awarded, 3) match not played at all for whatever reason and the result is awarded to either side. - BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:24, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
I've raised a question in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues#Campeonato Gaúcho and Campeonato Carioca - notable enough?. Any thoughts about the subject are very welcome. MYS 77 ✉ 13:54, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Would an assistant manager pass WP:NFOOTY if they took over for a match in a WP:FPL? Was wondering about a situation where an assistant took over for a couple of days and was in charge of a match while the manager was ill. Secret Agent Julio ( talk) 15:19, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
A reader has expressed a concern to us through OTRS that the image in the infobox of Owain Fôn Williams is not actually a picture of Fôn Williams. ( ticket:2016121310025076) I am not familiar with the subject, but it looks like the right picture by checking it with Google Images, but for avoidance of doubt, could someone please take a look and double-check? Thanks! Mz7 ( talk) 20:30, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Two different IPs (I assume it's one person) keeps putting the director of football which is Tim Sherwoods job in the Manager slot in the infobox. And Sherwood isn't the manager / coach at the club. I think the article might need to be monitored by a few more ppl as I won't have much time on here over December / Jan much to keep an eye on the article. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 16:22, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
That's because there isn't a manager, there's a Head Coach and a Director of Football, and in this case the duties usually taken by the Manager are being fulfilled by the Director of Football. The Chairman of the club described Sherwood's role as including "transfers, the way that we play, the formations and the picking of the team”
[2]. How is this not the same as a manager? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
82.9.239.174 (
talk) 18:15, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
So for each time you change it, I will knock it down to vandalism, Govvy ( talk) 19:28, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
The infobox position is for manager. According to wikipedia's own description of what a football manager does Tim Sherwood is best described as filling this this role, albeit with a different title. It's not vandalism, it's accuracy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.239.174 ( talk) 00:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
On what basis do you claim that. The Chairman of the club is on record as saying that Sherwood picks the team. I've given you the link to the article where he is quoted. What is the problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.239.174 ( talk) 22:42, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
If the quality of the source is the problem then here is another from the BBC saying the same thing http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37938448 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.239.174 ( talk) 22:48, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
It seems the man himself has uploaded a photo of himself with a festive jumper on. I'm not quite sure what to do with it? haha.-- Echetus Xe 00:32, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
I was asked to ask this question here about the India national under-17 football team. The team recently played a tournament in Brazil which involved the under-17 teams of Orlando City, Atletico PR, and Uruguay. So two clubs teams and another national under-17 side. Usually I don't add matches India U17 plays against club academy sides cause those are always friendly matches and don't mean much. There are no tournament rules or anything. I added India's matches against all 3 of these teams here though to the fixtures and results section because this is a tournament and it would be weird to only include the Uruguay game in the section and not the other two from the same tournament just because they were club teams. What do you guys think about this? Cheers. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 17:50, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
Not much is known about this player, who was an early black footballer and a contemporary of the much better known Arthur Wharton and Andrew Watson. Any more info about him would be much appreciated. Giant Snowman 13:28, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
If anyone is looking for a little job to do, there's lots of red-linked football clubs needing a look at Wikipedia:Database reports/Categories categorized in red-linked categories - there's over 70 beginning FC/FK (end of page 1 and start of page 2), plus other clubs and a few US college teams scattered through the rest of the list. In general they are red links on players categories - in general if a player category is all there is then the club category should not be created per WP:SMALLCAT and should be removed, but bigger categories are OK. I'd expect some of them will need some housework renaming categories to keep up with club mergers and name changes as well. If anyone is feeling really bored, I created the {{ Navseasoncats}} navbox for navigation on categories of the form "2016-17 XXXXX". I put it on all the 2016-17 season categories I could find, but ideally it wants putting on all the older ones as well. Le Deluge ( talk) 14:29, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Can anyone please spot where is it that i went wrong in display of reference i added to this former footballer's intro? I can't make heads or tails of it...
Attentively, thanks in advance from Portugal -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 18:09, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
The article on Neil Alexander has recently been promoted to GA and nominated at the DYK project for a main page appearance. A question has arisen as to whether the proposed hook needs changes, and is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Prep 2. Input is requested from editors with familiarity with association football and (hopefully) DYK. Thanks, EdChem ( talk) 00:49, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi. Can someone, maybe an admin, take a look at Template:Ballon d'Or recipients. There has been quite an edit war. I'm not sure what the best solution is. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 00:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi guys, i'll try to explain in a easy way, we have:
The Ballon d'Or (1956–2009) ≠ FIFA World Player of the Year (1991–2009) (just compare the winners, e.g Ballon d'Or 2003 ≠ 2003 FIFA World Player of the Year ). In 2010 France Footbal and FIFA present The Fifa Ballon d'Or a merger between France Football's Ballon d'Or and the FIFA World Player of the Year, so:
This year (2016) the partnership between France Football and FIFA had come to an end, so now we have back the "original" Ballon d'Or, and the new Best FIFA Football Awards (technically "heir" of the old FIFA World Player of the Year award).
I came across the article 2017 Garuda Cup, and I was interested since I hadn't heard a word about it, even not on Twitter, even though my team is allegedly competing in it. I couldn't find anything about it online with Google, and the article itself is unreferenced and contributed to by a single user ( FJR1323). Anyone know anything about this? Does it even exist? -- SuperJew ( talk) 12:02, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Someone moved these articles without any consensus and any criteria. I've added RMs in both pages, and some admin intervention would be appreciated. MYS 77 ✉ 13:20, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Recently @ Spiderone: has nominated the articles List of current Indian Super League players and List of current Indian Super League players with national team caps for deletion. Recently he also nominated my article for stadiums in the Indian Super League as well deletion and that ended up being a merge with list of football stadiums in India. I don't mind any of this and I believe he makes a perfect reason for deletion so I am willing to speedy delete them both for that reason (or most likely userfy them for myself). Anyway, the reason I made them is because I saw that Major League Soccer had articles like the ones I made like List of current Major League Soccer players and I thought, honestly, I will make an ISL version. I had a source from worldfootball.com and thought I could do it. Obviously I can't and it is not notable but I am just bringing this up cause it seemed the MLS versions have remained up for over 12 years without deletion and I did not know it was not notable. Can we make a clear guideline of what is notable and if not, get them on AfD? Cheers. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 19:03, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
How valid is the article? I did a google search for a better external link that works, but struggled to find one, there are some other links, but I wasn't sure if all the information provided in the article should be kept or not due to little sourcing. Govvy ( talk) 02:03, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
... if you have a minute, please could you lift the create-protection at Paul Hutchinson so I can create a three-line stub for this chap ? thanks in advance, Struway2 ( talk) 19:03, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi all,
Just started an article comparing the rules of futsal and association football, somewhat like Comparison of rugby league and rugby union. The foundation is in place, but I need to put in some more references and images and clean things up style wise. I think I might have missed a few other minor differences. Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated. South Nashua ( talk) 16:23, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
There seems to be a group of people (it's the same 3 editors as always tbh) are hell bent on deleting every rivalry article throughout Wikipedia leaving only the few that they consider to be notable, i.e. United-Liverpool and Celtic-Rangers, anything outside the 4-5 leagues. All them were pretty much deleted with the rationale "well there are just two teams playing each other and the derby description mentions a match report therefore it means there definitely no rivalry", despite some of these actually had a good few sources, and no other Wikipedia seems to have this problem. None of the deletion had much input other than the aforementioned few who nominate it and when someone tries to save the article they just get WP:BLUDGEON Abcmaxx ( talk) 19:09, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I hardly find general consensus to = your + the other editor of a similar nature quick copy paste comment, in case of any opposition quickly railroading anyone who disagrees to delete it Abcmaxx ( talk) 22:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello, members of WikiProject Football! I have made a proposal to change some of the parameters at the template Infobox national futsal team. Please see the discussion located at Template talk:Infobox national futsal team and provide your input if you don't mind. Thank you, Jith12 ( talk) 23:24, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Is it possible to ask someone if can download a picture of Taribo West? Is there any place I should go to ask it? He was such a great player and he was so charismatic. Besides his playing quality, he was, and still is, remembered for his unusual look. I think most football followers remember his haircut from the 1994 World Cup. FkpCascais ( talk) 20:07, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
The above post has reminded me. I was contacted by the family of Fred Osam-Duodu after I updated the article. His daughter wants to provide a photo for his WikiPedia page. Is it as simple as obtaining the photos and uploading them with a note to say they were uploaded with permission from the family? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 14:33, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Take this case: José Manuel García (footballer). User:GiantSnowman created the article, i immediately took it upon myself to improve the piece. I was extremely careful not to write storyline that could be perceived as POVish ("undisputed starter", or "He scored eight goals in 30 games" without finding a source that said exactly that), and what i wrote is ALL sourced.
I don't know why this user/admin "loathes" external links so much, i am of the opinion they are harmless and of easy consultation in that display, not being mixed with all the other references. Certes, they could be used to source content here and there, but in this case all the wording (i repeat, ALL) is sourced. My technical question: since external links are definitely not forbidden per WP guidelines, what is the issue here? The webpage added to Mr. García's storyline as a ref, in this case, sourced NOTHING ELSE besides of what already was.
P.S. I have been reverted two times without a message, i would have gladly written GS in his talkpage, but it is protected i believe. Happy 2017 everyone, from Portugal -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 18:32, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Why the "nonsense", mate? I merely said i was going to leave article alone out of respect, not throwing a tantrum or anything. I told you time and time again i am not very good (to put it mildly) as far as technicalities are concerned. -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 18:57, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Please see recent addition of redlinks to the roster at Iceland national football team and removal of "American" from Aron Jóhannsson. I'm stepping away from this editor. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:54, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Just wondering what the general feeling is for adding appearances/goals for Category:European national and official selection-teams not affiliated to FIFA teams to players' infobars. I have been adding a little bit of text and ref to the profiles of some Basque players who have featured recently for their team. In some (but not all) of these cases, their international record has also been updated by other editors with their Basque caps and goals.
The Basque team is definitely one of the most high-profile non-FIFA teams with the best record of procuring top players for their matches, and so the stats are pretty easy to obtain, the sources are reliable and the team page is updated regularly. But this is not the case with some other selections, and as I mentioned above not even all the Basque profiles showed much consistency in what info was being recorded.
In my personal view, it might be better if the non-FIFA selection totals not go in the infobox for the reason of consistency across the teams/players (compare this with even tiny FIFA nations), and the fact that they are not 'national teams' as such (although I know some other totals like League XIs have been added in many players' boxes too). I do think that the non-FIFA teams do deserve a quick mention in player article, but it may place less onus on the editors to keep checking for obscure data every time a match takes place (which can sometimes be very infrequently) and could simply be stated in the player article text that they had been selected for the team (with ref of course) with no numbers involved. Hoping for a few opinions on this? Crowsus ( talk) 21:45, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
A short time ago (about a month) an editor changed the England v Iceland (UEFA Euro 2016) from a full on article to a redirect. In an edit summary the editor cited WP:BOLD and that the article was a prose as reasons for the change. I think I have found enough sources to improve the past article so that it is no longer a prose, but I though it would be far better to discuss it here to reach a consensus first. Thanks Inter&anthro ( talk) 20:32, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
I know this is a football-related forum, but since my doubt arose from reading a football article, here it goes: Bruno Varela, the very beginning of storyline: i have seen thousands of examples where we read "Born in X to Y descent", or "Born in W to Z ancestry", but i never saw (until today) the "and" (or "but" in a previous version) to connect both statements (city of origin and descent).
My question is: are both forms correct? Attentively, thank you very much in advance -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 23:52, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Poor Marco Silva seems to be getting it in the neck for being linked as the next Hull City manager. I have requested semi-protection at WP:RFPP but figured someone watching here might give it quicker attention. Gricehead ( talk) 16:47, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Again just looking for opinions (or a point to existing instructions if any exist), and sorry if I appear to be hogging the queries. I have been keeping tabs on some minor clubs (Scottish and Spanish) whose grounds are very unlikely to ever require/merit their own article. I have also been adding/improving coordinates to places on my watchlist and these can now be given very accurately. What are the thoughts on adding coordinates to these minor club pages pinpointing the exact location of their ground/stadium? Obviously links to their mapped home towns/districts are on there already, and I realise sometimes they will move home more often than big clubs. But it might be useful to some readers and is something I would be interested in adding - unless it's a complete no-no. Crowsus ( talk) 18:19, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Is this article a hoax? It's claimed that he played for Scunthorpe, Charlton and Shrewsbury Town but I can't find any record of him playing in the Football League. Hack ( talk) 15:48, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Pontus Jansson. "On 5 November, Jansson scored his first goal for Leeds against Norwich City with a towering header in a 3-2 thrilling victory for Leeds at Carrow Road.[11] On 7 November, after becoming one of the standout Centre Backs in The Championship and becoming a cult hero at Leeds for his performances and his persona,[12] Jansson revealed he was hoping to turn his move to Leeds into a permanent deal.[13] On 20th November, Jansson picked up a 1 match suspension after picking up his 5th yellow card of the season in a 0-2 defeat against Newcastle United."
Isn't there a rule about including too much irrelevant information or something? Becoming a "standout centre back in The Championship and becoming a cult hero" seems more like an opinion piece, rather than encyclopedic content to me. Then mentioning 1 match suspensions for 5 yellow card accumulations just seems like editors adding information to their favourite players articles for the sake of doing it. Is somebody going to add everytime Chiellini was booked or fouled to his biography? What about every single goal Christiano Ronaldo scored?
The other one that bothers me is the comparisons to legendary players in every single players "style of play" section. Juan Manuel Iturbe 'was compared to Lionel Messi earlier in his career', so-and-so is reminiscent of Andrea Pirlo.. It sounds really silly when you read it on every players bio. Danieletorino2 ( talk) 06:04, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Is this acceptable? If so, what is the appropriate referencing method? OGLV ( talk) 22:11, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Are the articles in this category really notable lists worthy of articles? -- Super Nintendo Chalmers ( talk) 09:25, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
How to improve the article? Seem this player fake his career professionally (not only employ editor to edit wikipedia but fake email to get contract http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/fotboll/a/4wnMa/sportbladet-avslojar-svenske-24-aringen-pekas-ut-som-bedragare) I doubt Levante and loan to lower division is really not true (reference to lower division is a blog that less reliable, but sometimes died hard fans may have some information). Matthew_hk t c 22:23, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Besteirense: Are goal assists notable for inclusion in club season articles? If so, shouldn't we remove unsourced statistics? I did exactly that and was reverted because somehow I have to "respect" a user's contribution, even it's unsourced. Go figure. SLBedit ( talk) 01:25, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
First, P3DRO ( talk · contribs) removed content from Luisão because I removed his recent unsourced addition. Now, after being warned about being WP:POINTY, he removed content I added to Mário Wilson because he finds it irrelevant. Some time ago, he removed the nickname I added to Jonas Gonçalves Oliveira for the same reason. (IPs constantly add his nickname to the article for some reason...) This guy clear has issues. SLBedit ( talk) 21:45, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Now, it was Pizzi (Portuguese footballer). SLBedit ( talk) 21:50, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
I have blocked @ P3DRO: for disruptive editing i.e. removing the sourced content without discussion and after my final warning. @ SLBedit: please note that you are also very close to a block for edit warring. In future do not repeatedly revert, report. Giant Snowman 07:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Let's take this as an example: Martín Demichelis. He was released by his last club, RCD Espanyol, on 11 January 2017, and his last match was played in October of the previous year. The way I see it, it's not because of the latter that his infobox should read "2016" regarding his spell there, because he was under contract until the date mentioned in the first place; thus, Mr. Demichelis was a player of Espanyol from 2016-17.
A no-brainer in my humble opinion, am I missing something please? -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 12:50, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
|yearsn=
as "years that the player has been contracted at each club" (my highlighting). cheers,
Struway2 (
talk) 13:15, 12 January 2017 (UTC)Just a question, if a player is on loan at a club, and the club he is at loan at purchases DURING the current season, is the standard to have to separate entries for the club in his info box? See Iago Falque who was just redeemed by Torino from Roma a couple days ago, seems kinda redundant to restart there appearance/goal count. Danieletorino2 ( talk) 09:18, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
(Miranda kept grouped as it is obligation, just the date was pushed forward)
Matthew_hk t c 22:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Matthew_hk t c 14:40, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
WP:NFOOTY only mentions players and managers. Should referees that officiated in FPLs or Tier 1 International matches be considered notable enough per WP:NFOOTY? Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:55, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
As seen in Álvaro Brachi or Eduardo Berizzo (i warned an admin back in the day about the latter case, but nothing was done whatsoever), are these templates not overkill? A template for the team of the first half of the season (found in Mr. Brachi)?!
Attentively -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 16:26, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
There is long-standing consensus at TFD that youth tournament templates are non-notable. Please can somebody take to TFD? Giant Snowman 08:01, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
I am not sure about his category changes and he has done a lot to the football articles. Maybe someone can take a second look at his contributions. Govvy ( talk) 13:15, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
On this page there is three Luke Williams related too football, one which I just added, but for the title names of the articles? (Soccer), (English footballer) and (football manager)? Should those three not be renamed to year of birth? Govvy ( talk) 12:46, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
I was just looking at Andrea Pirlo's article and it still says he plays for the Italian national team despite not making an appearance since 2015. When is it okay to remove this from their intro and close the year brackets in their infobox? Is their a specific time period? For example, Fabio Quagliarella hasn't played for Italy in many years but is still active in Serie A. Alessio Cerci hasn't been capped since 2014 and it excludes Italy from his intro. What is the standard, because I don't think Pirlo will ever cap for Italy again. Danieletorino2 ( talk) 11:50, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
So I think we have a consensus to leave it open ended until an official announcement of retirement is made from the national team or retirement from football altogether? This will allow for more consistency and less updating of date ranges when players go up and down from the national team. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 15:20, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Can an admin restore the Emmanuel Mendy article please? He made his international debut in March so now meets the criteria for an article. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 18:03, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
I don't understand what's happened, but the bottom Wikilinks within the infobox on the 2012–13 W-League and 2013–14 W-League pages are somehow completely fucked. Past the point of the Highest Scoring fixtures, the rest of the Wikilinks are unclickable, even though they are blue. This ruins the user's ability to view each season by season. If anyone can fix this, I'd be most appreciative! - J man708 ( talk) 07:42, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Is this article really necessary? Why can't this info be included in Ronaldo's page? – Pee Jay 10:34, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
The Northern Ireland footballer is being discussed at the BLP Noticeboard here. Hack ( talk) 06:37, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
This list is now empty and hasn't been updated for 2 years. In trying to save time and effort for everyone, rather than going through a full deletion process, what are people's thoughts about deleting? Notifying @ Rettetast: as the list creator. Giant Snowman 09:12, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Just found that strange article. Unreferenced for 11 years now. - Koppapa ( talk) 12:35, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Am I correct to assume that the appearances Ross Stephens made for Shrewsbury Town were not first team matches per this source? Hack ( talk) 04:59, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Some of you will be aware of an ongoing issue of BLP articles created by Sander.v.Ginkel. The background at ANI can be found here. The discussion on the cleanup can be found here. In short, 16,000 BLP articles are being moved out of the mainspace to draftspace. This has already started following a Bot Approval. This should be complete in the next 48hrs or so. Articles will remain in draft for 90 days. In that time, they can be checked, and if OK, moved back to the mainspace. Anything not checked after 90 days will be deleted automatically.
So how can you help? The BLPs are broken down by occupational area. If an one of these interests you, please help. Even if it is checking one article. Check the article that has been moved to draft that a) it meets the notability requirement of the occupational area in question and b) that the facts in the article are supported by the sources. This includes, but is not limited to, the dates of birth, who they represented, when they were active, etc. If there are elements that can not be supported by the sources, they must be removed. If you are happy with the article, then move it back into the mainspace. DO NOT move anything until you have checked the sources, or supplied other reliable sources to support information in the article that may not already be cited. More information can be found here.
This is not going to be an easy task. I don't think there's too much support to check 16,000+ articles and I suspect that most of them will be gone after 90 days. If you have any questions, please raise them here. Thanks. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 11:47, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
I have been working on updating articles related to futsal recently. I noticed that in both the Republic of Ireland national futsal team and England national futsal team infoboxs their first matches listed are from a series of games in Rome in July 1983. Other participants included Belgium, Scotland and Italy. Can't find any online sources (in English at least) mentioning these games. Anybody here know any sources. Djln Djln ( talk) 15:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi. I add a request in the deletion review page about the Football at the 2011 Military World Games – Men's tournament. Regards. -- Fayçal.09 ( talk) 19:55, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
I have looked for, and have been unable to find any consistency in the format of results for cup season articles. Some have tables using One Leg Start and Two Leg Start. Others use football boxes. Some even use both. It seems like the results should look similar across the project. Thoughts? Equineducklings ( talk) 21:30, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
In club season articles, should we add report links for every single upcoming match or just for the ones already played? Or, like I was doing, add a link only for the upcoming match? SLBedit ( talk) 23:15, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Situation "created" in the Javier Patiño article: in his international goals chart, an IP address (I am 100% sure it is banned User:Banana Fingers, only user who has had a problem with this in the past) keeps changing from "qualification" to "qualifier".
Since the former form ("qualification") is the terminology used in EVERY article we have here for the several qualifying tournaments around the world, why should the hidden format read "qualifier"? Just curious, but I have given up in that aspect, don't want to aggravate a person who has a history of wiki-abuse in general and towards me on many occasions (don't know how many of you remember, but their userpage read for several years "This is my userpage so piss off". Self-explanatory...).
Attentively, thanks in advance -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 11:23, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Hey, should winning the tournament count as an honour? For me it is an invitational friendly youth tournament. See Cristiano Ronaldo where User:Aavelarx added it (he did not start a discussion so i will). Just to be sure what is correct, thanks in advance. Kante4 ( talk) 22:51, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
And if so, should they be added to "Europe" or "Others" section? 8Dodo8 ( talk · contribs) 11:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Ages ago we discussed this as you didn't really need to repeat the same link under each other. So I changed Harry Kane on that rule to only link Friendly once and UEFA Euro 2016 qualification to link once. But Mattythewhite reverted me, are we changing the rule back then? Because there is a couple of hundred player articles that overlink has been applied to on these tables. Govvy ( talk) 00:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Are goals in an unofficial national games notable to include in the list of goals scored on player's article? Because someone is keep adding those goals at Piyapong Pue-on, official FIFA record is 100 caps/70 goals, all 70 goals are already in the first table per RSSSF source, while surely those games in the second table against army teams, Liverpool Reserves, club teams etc. are not notable neither are sourced ? Snowflake91 ( talk) 14:30, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
King's Cup, Merdeka Tournament is notable tournament in Asia countries. Obviously, Below matches are not full international match. But At that time, These matches were regard as full international matches. Especially, In Kings Cup and Merdeca Cup Although, These matches are not full international matches,They were very notable in Asian countries.
There are source from South Korean Newspaper at that time. - Thai national team vs Sangmu FC, Thai national team vs Korea Semi–professional Select Although B matches, The results are announced in South Korean Newspaper. [5] [6]
Below records are good resources to understand his performance. Not hamrful and useless information. Please don't judge by current European football view. Please consider time difference and footabll cultural difference.
Date | Venue | Opponent | Score | Result | Competition |
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November 20, 1981 | Bangkok | Polonia Warszawa | 2 goals | 2–0 | 1981 King's Cup |
May 6, 1982 | Bangkok | August 1 (army team) | 1 goal | 1–1 | 1982 King's Cup |
July 15, 1983 | Beijing | August 1 (army team) | 1 goal | 2–1 | 1983 Great Wall Cup |
July 23, 1983 | Beijing | Poland U–21 | 2 goals | 3–2 | 1983 Great Wall Cup |
December 27, 1983 | Bangkok | Medan | 1 goal | 2–0 | 1983 King's Cup |
January 3, 1984 | Bangkok | Liverpool Amateur | 3 goals | 4–3 | 1984 King's Cup |
July 28, 1986 | Kuala Lumpur | Sangmu FC (military team) | 1 goal | 1–1 | 1986 Merdeka Tournament |
January 25, 1988 | Bangkok | SC Rotor Volgograd | 1 goal | 4–2 | 1988 King's Cup |
February 10, 1989 | Bangkok | SC Rotor Volgograd | 2 goals | 3–1 | 1989 King's Cup |
February 8, 1993 | Bangkok | Malaysia B | 2 goals | 3–1 | 1993 King's Cup |
February 12, 1993 | Bangkok | Indonesia B | 2 goals | 2–0 | 1993 King's Cup |
February 14, 1993 | Bangkok | Korea Semi–professional Select | 1 goal | 1–0 | 1993 King's Cup |
February 13, 1997 | Bangkok | Romania Select | 1 goal | 1–0 | 1997 King's Cup |
Footwiks ( talk) 16:45, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Current consensus on English Wikipedia is to include only official statistics in articles. See WP:NOTSTATS. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 01:29, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Goalscorers
South Korea:
Park Chu-young: 2 Goals / 1 match are already Excluded since that time - So currenct stats - 68 matches 24 goals is accurate
Poland:
Robert Lewandowski: 1 Goal / 1 match is Included - Not 85 matches-42 Goals, 84 matches-41 Goals is accurate
Jakub Błaszczykowski: 1 Goal / 1 match is Included - - Not 89 matches-18 Goals, 88 matches-17 Goals is accurate
South korean international related articles are accurate. So we need not to change. But We have to correct many polish international related articles Footwiks ( talk)
Hello guys, I'm quite new so I've got a question: Are there any things I've to keep an eye on when I'm working with Austrian soccer-articles? I would like to expand the subject a little bit. Best wishes -- XaviYuahanda ( talk) 15:11, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
There are many football articles (mostly biographical) referenced with only one source to klisf.info
(a Russian website), which now is gone (?) I posted
a request at BOTREQ to tag all links to klisf.info as dead links. But maybe you have other ideas (e.g. complete removal), hence I notify participants of this WikiProject.
XXN, 20:36, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
I mean, not really important, but is the Madagascar women's national football team really a good article? There are quite a lot of sources but it's mostly unimportant stuff as the only have started playing 8 games after 2015. Edit: There are quite a few more Women's national teams in Africa classed as good articles, some like Burundi, Gambia or Cambodia have yet to play a FIFA match. Also should biggest win/loss in infobox include non-fifa games (which it does for non-fifa teams) or even both? - Koppapa ( talk) 09:33, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
The 2nd tier of Portuguese Football System it is called Segunda Liga. However, due to sponsor reasons, it's wikipedia page it is called LigaPro.
This does not apply to the other portuguese competitions: Primeira Liga it's not Liga NOS, Taça da Liga it's not Taça CTT, Taça de Portugal it's not Taça de Portugal Placard.
In other countries we have Serie B not Serie B ConTe.it, La Liga not La Liga Santander, FA Cup, not The Emirates FA Cup, and so on.
I think the second-highest division of Portuguese football should be named Segunda Liga, as it was before the sponsor deal, due to coherence. P3DRO ( talk) 16:59, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
See rfc on the above topic at Talk:Avram Grant. Cheers — Cliftonian (talk) 21:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm trying to move Draft:Axel Tuanzebe to the proper article which has been deleted. Axel Tuanzebe made his debut in the FA cup today, he passes WP:NFOOTY right? Inter&anthro ( talk) 20:09, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Kő Cloch is consistently reverting Federico Chiesa's positions to Forward / Winger / Attacking midfielder. Now, from what I understand Lionel Messi has played as all three of these positions in his career for Barcelona, yet his infobox simply states "Forward". Mario Götze has played in every forward position yet he's an attacking midfielder. Francesco Totti states attacking midfielder, forward, yet he played as a winger under Zeman. What is the proper consensus? Danieletorino2 ( talk) 13:11, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
"In modern football, the terms winger or wide player refer to a non-defender who plays on the left or right sides of the pitch. These terms can apply to left or right midfielders, left or right attacking midfielders, or left or right forwards. Left or right-sided defenders such as wing-backs or full-backs are generally not called wingers".
"A winger is an attacking player who is stationed in a wide position near the touchlines. They can be classified as forwards, considering their origin as the old "outside-forward" position, and continue to be termed as such in most parts of the world, especially in Latin and Dutch footballing cultures. However, in the British game (in which the 4–4–2 formation and its variants are most commonly used) they are usually counted as part of the midfield. First of all my apologies for assuming that a winger cannot be considered both a forward and midfielder. "However, in the British game (in which the 4–4–2 formation and its variants are most commonly used) they are usually counted as part of the midfield".
There are a variety of name types in Category:European national and official selection-teams not affiliated to FIFA: national team, official team, representative team, or just plain "team." My intent is to not force a single term for all of them—for example, "national" makes sense for Basque Country in a way it doesn't for Shetland—but to figure out some sort of standard. Based on the terms most commonly used, I'd suggest we use "national team" if whatever criteria are met, and "official team" if not. (If the team can't be called either national or official, I'd question its notability.) Fool's errand, or worth hashing something out? -- BDD ( talk) 18:52, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
I don't really edit in this area much, so I would appreciate it if someone could review the recent edits made by Josepolivares ( talk · contribs). In the "Youth career" section of Infobox football biography, the user is removing piped links to football clubs' youth teams and replacing them with links to the club itself – e.g. here. This strikes me as counterproductive (if we have articles on the youth team we should be linking to them), but it's possible there has been some consensus reached elsewhere and the user is completely justified in doing so. Thanks, IgnorantArmies (talk) 15:53, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
However, since it has been brought to discussion, and as I have 'debated' with JoseP, I would point out that he has also reverted my attempted youth-team linking edits to players such as Isaac Cuenca (who played for only the Juvenil A team between joining Barcelona and turning professional, therefore the link to that year group team is valid - I was ordered to find a reliable source for this, did so and it was still reverted), and Gabri García who is coach of Juvenil A, but for some reason is not being allowed to have a link in the infobox on his article pointing to that exact team. After a few attempts I decided to back away from an edit war.
@JoseP, It's also a bit tiresome that you have gone on to a mission to revert all the Basque links, I accept that you see yourself as a guardian of the Catalan stuff so it's your call to change that, but I presume there are other editors who monitor the Basque teams and none of them appear to have had any problems with the youth team links. The contributors to this discussion seem to be more in support of my viewpoint, although since the reverting began I have not made any new infobox links to the latest articles I have created on Betis and Espanyol as I was not sure I would have been correct to do so.
It was perhaps an error on my part to name the articles Juvenil when I wanted to refer to the system as a whole, and that is just one of several levels within it. But I think the Sevilla FC (youth) etc article names are a bit untidy, and I also didn't really fancy using Academy since that term isn't really used often in Spain as far as I know, instead it's all cantera which may be confusing for some readers, or locals refer to the academy by its location which is usually the club training ground. In the case of La Masia and La Fábrica, separate academy articles exist, but otherwise we have Lezama Facilities, Zubieta Facilities etc referring to the technical aspects of the training ground, and I definitely don't think the infobox link should be to there.
So should Barcelona and Real Madrid youth graduates have youth career links to the academies? I have a feeling Josepolivares and possibly others may have an issue with that, so it should at least be debated. And for the other clubs, should the youth articles be renamed to describe the systems in more general terms (as with the 'Reserves and Academy' articles for English and Scottish clubs)? And if so, what should the names be? Crowsus ( talk) 01:19, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Did we had a consensus that treat co-ownership as definitive deal not loan, as some player were sent out as co-ownership deal, then loan out again, the infobox would be very confusing (such as NO arrow and (co-ownership) beside Parma for Lorenzo Crisetig). Just please someone explain to new user User:Kő Cloch for Italian footballer for this unconstructive edit on Simone Zaza? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew hk ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, just looking for some input re a situation at Jorge Paixão. An editor claiming to be the subject ( Masso65 ( talk · contribs)) is unhappy about certain content he perceives to be unduly negative. I'd like to get a few more opinions on how to proceed. See User talk:Masso65#January 2017 for the discussion. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 20:34, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
YES, i am both of the IPs mentioned here (home and work, indeed). NO i am not a Braga fan, i do not support any club, at all. YES i'll get to work on article tomorrow again, thanks for all your help. My summaries? No excuse whatsoever, but before it became obvious that Jorge Paixão was editing his own article, this seemed like a blatant case of vandalism, with portions of storyline being removed even when the sources were not dead.
PS: as I pointed out to User:Mattythewhite in his talkpage, I did not write ANY of the previous content (especially the highly contentious - so it seems - "worst finish in 11 years"), but merely composed it. Last but not least, I had zero intention of harming Mr. Paixão's reputation or belittling his achievements, I can assure the community of this. Attentively, sorry for any inconvenience. -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 01:28, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Attentively -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 10:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Danieletorino2: keep the article updated. It was a good thing. But just want to ask question that is that really confuse people on subtitle "Decline and bankruptcy"? The bankruptcy of "Torino Calcio" was 2005, and the current team "Torino F.C." (founded as "Società Civile Campo Torino") founded in the same year, and from 2005 to 2016, the team faced recovery that promoted back to Serie A from B, and even played in Europa League. Any suggestion to improve the sub-title wording? Matthew_hk t c 03:01, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
If the subtitle was meant to be a conclusion of the whole 20 years, then the bankruptcy was a one off event. Would it appropriate to add the word "...And the birth of Torino F.C." more suitable as a summary of the whole decade? Matthew_hk t c 16:06, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
I've noticed a few edits to the 2016–17 FA Cup article, disputing whether or not this is the first time that two non-league clubs have reached the last 16 in the FA Cup.
The reference which has been added to support this claim actually states that it is the first time that two have reached the 5th round – it doesn't say last 16.
Indeed, it did not take long to find a year in which two did reach the last 16, though in that season it was the 2nd round. In 1900, Southampton, Bristol City and Tottenham Hotspur, all of which at that time were still non league clubs, competed in the last 32, and both Southampton and Bristol City proceeded to the last 16. See 1899–1900 FA Cup for details. Drawoh46 ( talk) 15:29, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
(I put this question in the article's own talk page, but perhaps nobody's seen it there.)
There's an inconsistency in the scope of the items in the infobox for 2016–17 FA Cup. (The problem also applies to the article for the previous season.)
For example: The Dates and Teams parameters cover all fourteen rounds, from Extra Preliminary Round to Final, whereas the Matches played and Goals scored parameters cover the last eight rounds only, i.e. rounds from 1st round proper onwards.
Which is correct? Drawoh46 ( talk) 08:15, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
This article - ASEAN Football Federation - has got completely out of hand over the past 2 months, and is now an over-the-top STATSFEST, and with +900 flagicons, also a FLAGFEST (especially if you like the Thailand flag). Can someone have a look at the best way forward to morph it into something more alike other similar articles ? Matilda Maniac ( talk) 23:05, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
I have been working on many Iraqi players and i have noticed some articles when going to their talk page shows that they are part of the wikiproject, how do i add that to them ? Furthermore is there an Iraqi football taskforce ? if not ,h how do I create one ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alitheboss55 ( talk • contribs) 20:29, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I just saw this and it needs to be discussed. Even if it is a friendly it is still national team. To me it is not a "B team" and should not be listed as such. That is not how it is done for other national teams when they play friendlies during their leagues winter break. Qed237 (talk) 11:12, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
I am not sure if this has been discussed before, but I noticed certain Major League Soccer and A-League player intros state "soccer player" instead of "football player". Is this up to the editor? Sebastian Giovinco's article states he "is an Italian professional footballer", yet his teammates Molham Babouli and Jay Chapman state "soccer player". Should they be changed or left as is? Danieletorino2 ( talk) 03:58, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
But we don't even use "football player" - it's "footballer". Giant Snowman 08:16, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
This article - FIFA Confederations Cup records - has also got out of hand with respect to the detail of all the records show, and some clearly cant be justified under WP:NOTSTATS.
Would someone mind taking a look at Ban Bueng United F.C.? Someone redirected it to Banbueng F.C., but did not blank the article. The article is using a non-free image in the infobox, and I'm not sure if that should be being used in target article instead. I'm also not sure if the redirect should be made or if both the source and target articles are notable per WP:FOOTYN since neither article is supported by any citations to reliable sources and neither team appears to be in the top league of Thailand. For reference, many of the teams in Thai League 2, Thai League 3, Thai League 4 and Thai Football Amateur Tournament seem to have similar articles whose only external link/source is a social media page. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:58, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
This list is now at featured list candidates and a considerable amount of work has been done by a number of editors to create it and align it to the current accepted style for such lists. If anyone has any comments on this article, input would be appreciated at the assessment page. Fenix down ( talk) 11:47, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Is that overcategorization ? Was it deleted before? Matthew_hk t c 03:58, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Are either [8] or [9] reliable sources? My gut instinct would be that they're user generated, but I'm not 100% sure. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 22:44, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
What is the footy agreement on nationality? Can the page be protected for ongoing removal of cat and changing the topic sentence. Matthew_hk t c 14:12, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
What's the best date for a club or franchise's "founding"? This has arisen in connection with some of the original Major League Soccer teams. There are several candidates for dates - 1996 (the year in which league play began); 1995 (the year in which these teams acquired coaches, logos, colors, venues, their first players and investors); or the date in 1994 in which the nascent MLS indicated that there would be teams in several named cities. Reliable sources tend to go with 1995 or 1996 as the "founding" date of the club (in this case, DC United). None (that I have found) takes it as far back as 1994, but - well maybe the argument's best for that date nevertheless. There is a discussion at Talk:D.C._United#DC_United_founding with a bit more background and links to some sources. Input from you all would be appreciated. Thanks. JohnInDC ( talk) 15:21, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Many footballer articles have been proposed for deletion because they do not meet notability requirements ( NFOOTY) as they are currently written. However, I and other editors that I have encountered feel that players who have represented national teams that are members of regional confederations (i.e. CONCACAF or the OFC) but not FIFA should be considered notable as long as they are competing against the "A" team of another association that is also a confederation and/or FIFA member. It does not make sense that some players competing in a given tournament (oftentimes the Caribbean Cup, for example) would meet notability requirements but not others. Also, the current notability requirements place small footballing nations at a disadvantage and make it a strong possibility that multiple nations in multiple confederations will likely never have a player that can be considered notable. Great examples are Martinique and French Guiana. They have qualified for the 2017 CONCACAF Gold Cup but even if they win the competition, their players will not be notable because they are not FIFA members (unless, of course, they are notable for another reason). I am proposing that the notability requirements be extended to players that appear in a senior international "A" match while playing for an association who is a member of one FIFA's official confederations or FIFA itself. I think that it is time that we come to an absolute position on the topic as the notability requirements are enforced inconsistently. For example, when Gibraltar became UEFA members, there was no discussion even before they were admitted to FIFA but there are multiple discussions regarding other areas. What are everyone's thoughts on the inclusion?-- Gri3720 ( talk) 17:43, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I am sympathetic to Gri3720, I personally feel that NFOOTY should be revisited and adjusted to include non-FIFA nations that participate in continental competitions. I am not sure why a player in one match of a given continental competition is deemed inherently notable as a result of playing in that competition, but a player in a different match in the same competition is not. I would like to see an addition to the notability guideline something along the lines of: In addition to players who have participated in Tier 1 international matches, all players who have appeared for the senior team of sovereign nations in a top-level continental competition in which all matches involving two FIFA members are deemed "Tier 1" are also considered notable by reason of having competed at an equal level to FIFA member nations. In this way the spirit of NFOOTY, namely the recognition that players who have played at the highest level are inherently notable, is being applied on an equal basis. Fenix down ( talk) 23:54, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I think it should be left the way it is. Changing it would likely lead to a great deal of confusing relating to which games and in which tournament are notable. Making a list of notable national competitions might be worth thinking about similar to the fully pro league list. The way it is now, its very clear. If it's changed than one could suggest that notability at club level should also be changed for semi-pro players who play in top level cup where such player plays in a match against a fully pro team. Simione001 ( talk) 01:16, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
→ Furthermore, I guess I'd like to see consistency across national and club level. I'm thinking something like this may work:
→:@ Simione001: I think we need to focus on just the international players at this time for the sake of reaching a conclusion and not overly complicating the discussion. However, I think that your ideas on non-professionals on a club level would make a good discussion thread.
@ Simione001:, @ Fenix down:, @ Crowsus:, @ Inter&anthro:, @ Number 57: so it seems that we have a vast majority of users in agreement that the addition should be made to the current notability guidelines. What is our next step to making it happen?-- Gri3720 ( talk) 15:05, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I come from it.wiki and my native language is Italian. I've added a paragraph about Kanchelskis's stint at Fiorentina. Can some native English speaker have a look at it to see if it's ok? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 15:59, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Can someone please take a look at edits like this and let me know what they think?
From what I remember we decided runners-up was not an honour?
Also the source added for U20 only mentions the squad announcement, which is not enough for being a reference for honour (they could have withdrawn before tournament due to injury or something)?
I would do it myself but I will be away for a while now, so if someone else would want to take a look that would be great. Thanks. Qed237 (talk) 19:49, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
I have nominated 2015–16 Bengaluru FC season for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Coderzombie ( talk) 22:21, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Are they suppose to have pages? Because I noticed this, Furman Paladins men's soccer which was linked to Clint Dempsey youth career. Govvy ( talk) 13:32, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
In case you didn't see this, it has been decided that the Daily Mail should not be used as a Reliable Source, so no more citations to their site. JMHamo ( talk) 00:45, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
I think this page Club seasons articles is in need of a major overhaul, as it would be great to have a proper, de facto format for all season articles to follow. Currently if you look at the top clubs season articles, they are all over the place, with very little consistency between them. Ideally this template page should be complete as much as possible, with filled in and up to date templates so they can easily be re-purposed by the clubs. I also feel it would also be useful to get consensus on what to include or not, getting opinions across the board, rather than just a select few. Thoughts? Thanks! Edsloan ( talk) 22:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I've seen in some english articles {{ Fb cap header}} used which displays which player was capain for how many games? Is this really needed? For me it is trivia (and not sourced aswell)... Kante4 ( talk) 14:50, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Merged the sections. Kante4 ( talk) 09:34, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
One user keeps adding back lineups for each and every game. See here. That is just not right, or...? Kante4 ( talk) 18:08, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
There's a consensus-seeking discussion at Talk:Lionel Messi#Free Kick Goals Record on whether or not the details of two individual goals he scored should be included in the article. The disputed addition is this. There is a lack of participation in the discussion after 7 days, so if anyone here wishes to offer an opinion, it might help to settle things. Thanks for any help. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 21:06, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Comments added. Crowsus ( talk) 23:14, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
In the introduction, infobox and 'Ecuador senior team' sections of the article it says he made his international debut in 2005. However, the source used for this in the 'Ecuador senior team' section does not actually say whether this appearance was his debut.
The NationalFootballTeams.com source, which is used for his international stats, claims he played two games in 2004. But there is no actual match info on the NFT.com website to say which matches he played in in 2004.
Not sure what is correct here but clearly it needs changed. Does anyone know where to find lineups from Ecuador games in 2004 to prove whether Valencia played for them in 2004?
-- Stuart1234 ( talk) 22:54, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
That often found in African countries, NFT.com claimed that he had caps that year but difficult to dig out the match report. With transfermarkt, Soccerway, worldfootball , ESPN that have actual lineup, I found nft.com more and more inferior. May be try to find the match schedule including friendly in FIFA.com , and then try to dig out any Spanish news article that was still live since 2004? Matthew_hk t c 19:05, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Chris Ikonomidis is an Australian footballer, yet has his name spelt in both Greek and Italian. The Greek I sort of understand as he's of Greek descent, but why in Italian? Danieletorino2 ( talk) 05:51, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi. In trying to update this graph, the source originally used is now dead. Anyone know of a RS that's up to date with the historical league positions achieved by English clubs? -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 12:21, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Or did you mean in "all" divisions? In which case, perhaps league tables linked from http://fchd.info/lghist/fl.htm for Football League and http://fchd.info/lghist/fa.htm for Prem. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 12:48, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
This is really helpful, guys, thanks. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 13:42, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
You all can see it at WP:CSOC! I'm wondering how I can get my parameter in the Wikiproject Football template to show? Cobyan02069 ( talk) 00:16, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Sigla F.C.#Requested move 5 February 2017, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 18:13, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
An IP keeps removing Wimbledon F.C. from Phoenix club (sports) without presenting any sources explaining why, on the basis that it's the same club/business. As has been established previously, it is the same set of footballing assets and the same league place, but not the same legal entity, so I'm not so sure. The fact remains that reliable sources refer to a phoenix club in this case. Cheers — Cliftonian (talk) 10:52, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
How do we feel about edits like this? User:Pakhtakorienne has added a list of the competition records to the Juventus main article, but in a different style than Juventus F.C. in European football, which is the page I pointed him to, after reverting, where this info can be found. He told me since it's in a "summary" style format, different to the X in European football article, so should belong on the main page. Personally, I don't see a need for it, and find it rather unattractive and difficult to follow. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 13:12, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
My personal opinion would be that it's far too much detailed information for the main club article, and as such should be split off to its own article, which I believe already exists, and replaced with a brief summary. Why would the reader of the club overview need a bright patchwork naming every opponent the club has faced in the later stages of every European competition? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 15:51, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
This list doesn't seem to be on either article now? From reading above, I think that some (though certainly not all) felt it would be OK to feature in the In European football article? Seems a waste considering the work gone into it. Crowsus ( talk) 13:58, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
Can an uninvolved admin close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007 Columbus Crew season please? There is an overwhelming consensus to keep, and has been open for over 5 days now. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 00:20, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
User:Kő Cloch has recently boldly moved Category:Association football fullbacks to Category:Association football full-backs with a hyphen. I don't seem to be able to move it back, so please could someone with special powers do so. thanks in advance, Struway2 ( talk) 19:59, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
I just came across Norwich City 0–1 Luton Town (2013) and Yeovil Town 2–1 Sunderland (1949) and started thinking about the name of the articles. Should we really have the year in parenthesis? Also should we have the scoreline in the article title? I always thought we named the articles like "Norwich City v Luton Town (football match)" or something. Qed237 (talk) 11:15, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Is there no article for the Lincoln City manager? Govvy ( talk) 15:08, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Sean Raggett was created for scoring the winning goal in the FA Cup today, knocking out Premier League team Burnley. Does this pass GNG or should it be nominated for deletion? JMHamo ( talk) 22:48, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I created that article. I'd argue it is notable in that his goal created a piece of history as taking Lincoln into the quarter-finals, the first non-league club to do so in 103 years. For me that is worthy of an exception to the usual notability criteria for a player. Either way, Lincoln are currently set to be promoted into League 2, a fully professional league in the next three months. If that were to happen, and Raggett were not to be sold, it likely he would reach the notability criteria regardless of the goal. Considering that it may make sense to be patient with any immediate concerns regarding deletion. Veryirregularuser ( talk) 01:14, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Not a crystal ball, just a practical suggestion. I am not against a nomination for deletion. It is worth the conversation. But, in one day the article gets over 3,000 views, and Lincoln gets 80,000 views, more views in one day than teams arsenal and tottenham have achieved in the last two years. Reggett and Lincoln's victory has created a world wide interest. With articles written about Lincoln and Reggett widely quoted internationally.I don't think it fails to cover one event, because firstly, the event is barely covered on wikipedia, secondly Reggett literally just misses the criteria as it is, being a player who is professional and has played more matches against bigger teams than most league 2 players. If one is not to cover the event through essentially increasing the content on what is now much larger public interest on Lincoln, then an article on the run is definitely necessary. Veryirregularuser ( talk) 15:03, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
I just thought I throw this one out there, but I thought the article was very poor and could use a lot of help to improve it. So please if there are any editors out there who want to have a go, please do. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 14:00, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Folks.
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Can someone explain to me why articles for American and Canadian clubs use a different squad list template than everyone else? It doesn't make sense that we're not all on the same page, and it makes even less sense that they've chosen to use a template that's considerably worse than the one we're using on the vast majority of articles. Wicka wicka ( talk) 20:15, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Number 57: Not doubting your word, but it does seem odd that the names etc should be read differently. I tried installing Window-eyes to try and reproduce your findings, but it sent my laptop funny so I uninstalled it again :(
I did install the Firefox add-on Fangs, as recommended at Wikipedia:Alternative text for images#Audience, which is a JAWS emulator in text form so you read what the screen-reader user would hear. There appears to be no difference in the way it reads the headings, squad numbers, country names or player names in either version. It reads the position initials GK etc in the traditional one and the written-out positions in the alternative. The significant difference is in the table structure. The alternative, e.g. Seattle Sounders FC#Current roster, is just a simple table:
But the traditional is a large table with two smaller nested tables i.e. the two columns. Using Bolton Wanderers F.C.#Current squad, it outputs
That makes no difference to us looking at it but isn't desirable logically, per MOS:DTT#Avoiding nested data tables.
Incidentally, and not screen-reader related, I just asked the person next to me to view on their Android phone using the WikiApp. The alternative template came up fine. The traditional one came up as two separate dropdown tables, one for each column (which the person concerned finds irritating) with no flags visible at all even in landscape mode. And I'd forgotten what Koppapa alluded to above, that the traditional template still has flags without even a trigramme to help the ignorant. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 17:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
What's the general consensus on the cases of abandoned and awarded games? Do they count for the total matches/total goals infobox stats? I can see several scenarios like 1) match played in full and result changed later due to ineligible player or other technicality, 2) match started but abandoned due to some incident and later awarded, 3) match not played at all for whatever reason and the result is awarded to either side. - BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:24, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
I've raised a question in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues#Campeonato Gaúcho and Campeonato Carioca - notable enough?. Any thoughts about the subject are very welcome. MYS 77 ✉ 13:54, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Would an assistant manager pass WP:NFOOTY if they took over for a match in a WP:FPL? Was wondering about a situation where an assistant took over for a couple of days and was in charge of a match while the manager was ill. Secret Agent Julio ( talk) 15:19, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
A reader has expressed a concern to us through OTRS that the image in the infobox of Owain Fôn Williams is not actually a picture of Fôn Williams. ( ticket:2016121310025076) I am not familiar with the subject, but it looks like the right picture by checking it with Google Images, but for avoidance of doubt, could someone please take a look and double-check? Thanks! Mz7 ( talk) 20:30, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Two different IPs (I assume it's one person) keeps putting the director of football which is Tim Sherwoods job in the Manager slot in the infobox. And Sherwood isn't the manager / coach at the club. I think the article might need to be monitored by a few more ppl as I won't have much time on here over December / Jan much to keep an eye on the article. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 16:22, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
That's because there isn't a manager, there's a Head Coach and a Director of Football, and in this case the duties usually taken by the Manager are being fulfilled by the Director of Football. The Chairman of the club described Sherwood's role as including "transfers, the way that we play, the formations and the picking of the team”
[2]. How is this not the same as a manager? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
82.9.239.174 (
talk) 18:15, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
So for each time you change it, I will knock it down to vandalism, Govvy ( talk) 19:28, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
The infobox position is for manager. According to wikipedia's own description of what a football manager does Tim Sherwood is best described as filling this this role, albeit with a different title. It's not vandalism, it's accuracy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.239.174 ( talk) 00:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
On what basis do you claim that. The Chairman of the club is on record as saying that Sherwood picks the team. I've given you the link to the article where he is quoted. What is the problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.239.174 ( talk) 22:42, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
If the quality of the source is the problem then here is another from the BBC saying the same thing http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37938448 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.239.174 ( talk) 22:48, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
It seems the man himself has uploaded a photo of himself with a festive jumper on. I'm not quite sure what to do with it? haha.-- Echetus Xe 00:32, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
I was asked to ask this question here about the India national under-17 football team. The team recently played a tournament in Brazil which involved the under-17 teams of Orlando City, Atletico PR, and Uruguay. So two clubs teams and another national under-17 side. Usually I don't add matches India U17 plays against club academy sides cause those are always friendly matches and don't mean much. There are no tournament rules or anything. I added India's matches against all 3 of these teams here though to the fixtures and results section because this is a tournament and it would be weird to only include the Uruguay game in the section and not the other two from the same tournament just because they were club teams. What do you guys think about this? Cheers. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 17:50, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
Not much is known about this player, who was an early black footballer and a contemporary of the much better known Arthur Wharton and Andrew Watson. Any more info about him would be much appreciated. Giant Snowman 13:28, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
If anyone is looking for a little job to do, there's lots of red-linked football clubs needing a look at Wikipedia:Database reports/Categories categorized in red-linked categories - there's over 70 beginning FC/FK (end of page 1 and start of page 2), plus other clubs and a few US college teams scattered through the rest of the list. In general they are red links on players categories - in general if a player category is all there is then the club category should not be created per WP:SMALLCAT and should be removed, but bigger categories are OK. I'd expect some of them will need some housework renaming categories to keep up with club mergers and name changes as well. If anyone is feeling really bored, I created the {{ Navseasoncats}} navbox for navigation on categories of the form "2016-17 XXXXX". I put it on all the 2016-17 season categories I could find, but ideally it wants putting on all the older ones as well. Le Deluge ( talk) 14:29, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Can anyone please spot where is it that i went wrong in display of reference i added to this former footballer's intro? I can't make heads or tails of it...
Attentively, thanks in advance from Portugal -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 18:09, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
The article on Neil Alexander has recently been promoted to GA and nominated at the DYK project for a main page appearance. A question has arisen as to whether the proposed hook needs changes, and is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Prep 2. Input is requested from editors with familiarity with association football and (hopefully) DYK. Thanks, EdChem ( talk) 00:49, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi. Can someone, maybe an admin, take a look at Template:Ballon d'Or recipients. There has been quite an edit war. I'm not sure what the best solution is. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 00:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi guys, i'll try to explain in a easy way, we have:
The Ballon d'Or (1956–2009) ≠ FIFA World Player of the Year (1991–2009) (just compare the winners, e.g Ballon d'Or 2003 ≠ 2003 FIFA World Player of the Year ). In 2010 France Footbal and FIFA present The Fifa Ballon d'Or a merger between France Football's Ballon d'Or and the FIFA World Player of the Year, so:
This year (2016) the partnership between France Football and FIFA had come to an end, so now we have back the "original" Ballon d'Or, and the new Best FIFA Football Awards (technically "heir" of the old FIFA World Player of the Year award).
I came across the article 2017 Garuda Cup, and I was interested since I hadn't heard a word about it, even not on Twitter, even though my team is allegedly competing in it. I couldn't find anything about it online with Google, and the article itself is unreferenced and contributed to by a single user ( FJR1323). Anyone know anything about this? Does it even exist? -- SuperJew ( talk) 12:02, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Someone moved these articles without any consensus and any criteria. I've added RMs in both pages, and some admin intervention would be appreciated. MYS 77 ✉ 13:20, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Recently @ Spiderone: has nominated the articles List of current Indian Super League players and List of current Indian Super League players with national team caps for deletion. Recently he also nominated my article for stadiums in the Indian Super League as well deletion and that ended up being a merge with list of football stadiums in India. I don't mind any of this and I believe he makes a perfect reason for deletion so I am willing to speedy delete them both for that reason (or most likely userfy them for myself). Anyway, the reason I made them is because I saw that Major League Soccer had articles like the ones I made like List of current Major League Soccer players and I thought, honestly, I will make an ISL version. I had a source from worldfootball.com and thought I could do it. Obviously I can't and it is not notable but I am just bringing this up cause it seemed the MLS versions have remained up for over 12 years without deletion and I did not know it was not notable. Can we make a clear guideline of what is notable and if not, get them on AfD? Cheers. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 19:03, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
How valid is the article? I did a google search for a better external link that works, but struggled to find one, there are some other links, but I wasn't sure if all the information provided in the article should be kept or not due to little sourcing. Govvy ( talk) 02:03, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
... if you have a minute, please could you lift the create-protection at Paul Hutchinson so I can create a three-line stub for this chap ? thanks in advance, Struway2 ( talk) 19:03, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi all,
Just started an article comparing the rules of futsal and association football, somewhat like Comparison of rugby league and rugby union. The foundation is in place, but I need to put in some more references and images and clean things up style wise. I think I might have missed a few other minor differences. Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated. South Nashua ( talk) 16:23, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
There seems to be a group of people (it's the same 3 editors as always tbh) are hell bent on deleting every rivalry article throughout Wikipedia leaving only the few that they consider to be notable, i.e. United-Liverpool and Celtic-Rangers, anything outside the 4-5 leagues. All them were pretty much deleted with the rationale "well there are just two teams playing each other and the derby description mentions a match report therefore it means there definitely no rivalry", despite some of these actually had a good few sources, and no other Wikipedia seems to have this problem. None of the deletion had much input other than the aforementioned few who nominate it and when someone tries to save the article they just get WP:BLUDGEON Abcmaxx ( talk) 19:09, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I hardly find general consensus to = your + the other editor of a similar nature quick copy paste comment, in case of any opposition quickly railroading anyone who disagrees to delete it Abcmaxx ( talk) 22:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello, members of WikiProject Football! I have made a proposal to change some of the parameters at the template Infobox national futsal team. Please see the discussion located at Template talk:Infobox national futsal team and provide your input if you don't mind. Thank you, Jith12 ( talk) 23:24, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Is it possible to ask someone if can download a picture of Taribo West? Is there any place I should go to ask it? He was such a great player and he was so charismatic. Besides his playing quality, he was, and still is, remembered for his unusual look. I think most football followers remember his haircut from the 1994 World Cup. FkpCascais ( talk) 20:07, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
The above post has reminded me. I was contacted by the family of Fred Osam-Duodu after I updated the article. His daughter wants to provide a photo for his WikiPedia page. Is it as simple as obtaining the photos and uploading them with a note to say they were uploaded with permission from the family? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 14:33, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Take this case: José Manuel García (footballer). User:GiantSnowman created the article, i immediately took it upon myself to improve the piece. I was extremely careful not to write storyline that could be perceived as POVish ("undisputed starter", or "He scored eight goals in 30 games" without finding a source that said exactly that), and what i wrote is ALL sourced.
I don't know why this user/admin "loathes" external links so much, i am of the opinion they are harmless and of easy consultation in that display, not being mixed with all the other references. Certes, they could be used to source content here and there, but in this case all the wording (i repeat, ALL) is sourced. My technical question: since external links are definitely not forbidden per WP guidelines, what is the issue here? The webpage added to Mr. García's storyline as a ref, in this case, sourced NOTHING ELSE besides of what already was.
P.S. I have been reverted two times without a message, i would have gladly written GS in his talkpage, but it is protected i believe. Happy 2017 everyone, from Portugal -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 18:32, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Why the "nonsense", mate? I merely said i was going to leave article alone out of respect, not throwing a tantrum or anything. I told you time and time again i am not very good (to put it mildly) as far as technicalities are concerned. -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 18:57, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Please see recent addition of redlinks to the roster at Iceland national football team and removal of "American" from Aron Jóhannsson. I'm stepping away from this editor. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:54, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Just wondering what the general feeling is for adding appearances/goals for Category:European national and official selection-teams not affiliated to FIFA teams to players' infobars. I have been adding a little bit of text and ref to the profiles of some Basque players who have featured recently for their team. In some (but not all) of these cases, their international record has also been updated by other editors with their Basque caps and goals.
The Basque team is definitely one of the most high-profile non-FIFA teams with the best record of procuring top players for their matches, and so the stats are pretty easy to obtain, the sources are reliable and the team page is updated regularly. But this is not the case with some other selections, and as I mentioned above not even all the Basque profiles showed much consistency in what info was being recorded.
In my personal view, it might be better if the non-FIFA selection totals not go in the infobox for the reason of consistency across the teams/players (compare this with even tiny FIFA nations), and the fact that they are not 'national teams' as such (although I know some other totals like League XIs have been added in many players' boxes too). I do think that the non-FIFA teams do deserve a quick mention in player article, but it may place less onus on the editors to keep checking for obscure data every time a match takes place (which can sometimes be very infrequently) and could simply be stated in the player article text that they had been selected for the team (with ref of course) with no numbers involved. Hoping for a few opinions on this? Crowsus ( talk) 21:45, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
A short time ago (about a month) an editor changed the England v Iceland (UEFA Euro 2016) from a full on article to a redirect. In an edit summary the editor cited WP:BOLD and that the article was a prose as reasons for the change. I think I have found enough sources to improve the past article so that it is no longer a prose, but I though it would be far better to discuss it here to reach a consensus first. Thanks Inter&anthro ( talk) 20:32, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
I know this is a football-related forum, but since my doubt arose from reading a football article, here it goes: Bruno Varela, the very beginning of storyline: i have seen thousands of examples where we read "Born in X to Y descent", or "Born in W to Z ancestry", but i never saw (until today) the "and" (or "but" in a previous version) to connect both statements (city of origin and descent).
My question is: are both forms correct? Attentively, thank you very much in advance -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 23:52, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Poor Marco Silva seems to be getting it in the neck for being linked as the next Hull City manager. I have requested semi-protection at WP:RFPP but figured someone watching here might give it quicker attention. Gricehead ( talk) 16:47, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Again just looking for opinions (or a point to existing instructions if any exist), and sorry if I appear to be hogging the queries. I have been keeping tabs on some minor clubs (Scottish and Spanish) whose grounds are very unlikely to ever require/merit their own article. I have also been adding/improving coordinates to places on my watchlist and these can now be given very accurately. What are the thoughts on adding coordinates to these minor club pages pinpointing the exact location of their ground/stadium? Obviously links to their mapped home towns/districts are on there already, and I realise sometimes they will move home more often than big clubs. But it might be useful to some readers and is something I would be interested in adding - unless it's a complete no-no. Crowsus ( talk) 18:19, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Is this article a hoax? It's claimed that he played for Scunthorpe, Charlton and Shrewsbury Town but I can't find any record of him playing in the Football League. Hack ( talk) 15:48, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Pontus Jansson. "On 5 November, Jansson scored his first goal for Leeds against Norwich City with a towering header in a 3-2 thrilling victory for Leeds at Carrow Road.[11] On 7 November, after becoming one of the standout Centre Backs in The Championship and becoming a cult hero at Leeds for his performances and his persona,[12] Jansson revealed he was hoping to turn his move to Leeds into a permanent deal.[13] On 20th November, Jansson picked up a 1 match suspension after picking up his 5th yellow card of the season in a 0-2 defeat against Newcastle United."
Isn't there a rule about including too much irrelevant information or something? Becoming a "standout centre back in The Championship and becoming a cult hero" seems more like an opinion piece, rather than encyclopedic content to me. Then mentioning 1 match suspensions for 5 yellow card accumulations just seems like editors adding information to their favourite players articles for the sake of doing it. Is somebody going to add everytime Chiellini was booked or fouled to his biography? What about every single goal Christiano Ronaldo scored?
The other one that bothers me is the comparisons to legendary players in every single players "style of play" section. Juan Manuel Iturbe 'was compared to Lionel Messi earlier in his career', so-and-so is reminiscent of Andrea Pirlo.. It sounds really silly when you read it on every players bio. Danieletorino2 ( talk) 06:04, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Is this acceptable? If so, what is the appropriate referencing method? OGLV ( talk) 22:11, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Are the articles in this category really notable lists worthy of articles? -- Super Nintendo Chalmers ( talk) 09:25, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
How to improve the article? Seem this player fake his career professionally (not only employ editor to edit wikipedia but fake email to get contract http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/fotboll/a/4wnMa/sportbladet-avslojar-svenske-24-aringen-pekas-ut-som-bedragare) I doubt Levante and loan to lower division is really not true (reference to lower division is a blog that less reliable, but sometimes died hard fans may have some information). Matthew_hk t c 22:23, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Besteirense: Are goal assists notable for inclusion in club season articles? If so, shouldn't we remove unsourced statistics? I did exactly that and was reverted because somehow I have to "respect" a user's contribution, even it's unsourced. Go figure. SLBedit ( talk) 01:25, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
First, P3DRO ( talk · contribs) removed content from Luisão because I removed his recent unsourced addition. Now, after being warned about being WP:POINTY, he removed content I added to Mário Wilson because he finds it irrelevant. Some time ago, he removed the nickname I added to Jonas Gonçalves Oliveira for the same reason. (IPs constantly add his nickname to the article for some reason...) This guy clear has issues. SLBedit ( talk) 21:45, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Now, it was Pizzi (Portuguese footballer). SLBedit ( talk) 21:50, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
I have blocked @ P3DRO: for disruptive editing i.e. removing the sourced content without discussion and after my final warning. @ SLBedit: please note that you are also very close to a block for edit warring. In future do not repeatedly revert, report. Giant Snowman 07:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Let's take this as an example: Martín Demichelis. He was released by his last club, RCD Espanyol, on 11 January 2017, and his last match was played in October of the previous year. The way I see it, it's not because of the latter that his infobox should read "2016" regarding his spell there, because he was under contract until the date mentioned in the first place; thus, Mr. Demichelis was a player of Espanyol from 2016-17.
A no-brainer in my humble opinion, am I missing something please? -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 12:50, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
|yearsn=
as "years that the player has been contracted at each club" (my highlighting). cheers,
Struway2 (
talk) 13:15, 12 January 2017 (UTC)Just a question, if a player is on loan at a club, and the club he is at loan at purchases DURING the current season, is the standard to have to separate entries for the club in his info box? See Iago Falque who was just redeemed by Torino from Roma a couple days ago, seems kinda redundant to restart there appearance/goal count. Danieletorino2 ( talk) 09:18, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
(Miranda kept grouped as it is obligation, just the date was pushed forward)
Matthew_hk t c 22:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Matthew_hk t c 14:40, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
WP:NFOOTY only mentions players and managers. Should referees that officiated in FPLs or Tier 1 International matches be considered notable enough per WP:NFOOTY? Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:55, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
As seen in Álvaro Brachi or Eduardo Berizzo (i warned an admin back in the day about the latter case, but nothing was done whatsoever), are these templates not overkill? A template for the team of the first half of the season (found in Mr. Brachi)?!
Attentively -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 16:26, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
There is long-standing consensus at TFD that youth tournament templates are non-notable. Please can somebody take to TFD? Giant Snowman 08:01, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
I am not sure about his category changes and he has done a lot to the football articles. Maybe someone can take a second look at his contributions. Govvy ( talk) 13:15, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
On this page there is three Luke Williams related too football, one which I just added, but for the title names of the articles? (Soccer), (English footballer) and (football manager)? Should those three not be renamed to year of birth? Govvy ( talk) 12:46, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
I was just looking at Andrea Pirlo's article and it still says he plays for the Italian national team despite not making an appearance since 2015. When is it okay to remove this from their intro and close the year brackets in their infobox? Is their a specific time period? For example, Fabio Quagliarella hasn't played for Italy in many years but is still active in Serie A. Alessio Cerci hasn't been capped since 2014 and it excludes Italy from his intro. What is the standard, because I don't think Pirlo will ever cap for Italy again. Danieletorino2 ( talk) 11:50, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
So I think we have a consensus to leave it open ended until an official announcement of retirement is made from the national team or retirement from football altogether? This will allow for more consistency and less updating of date ranges when players go up and down from the national team. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 15:20, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Can an admin restore the Emmanuel Mendy article please? He made his international debut in March so now meets the criteria for an article. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 18:03, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
I don't understand what's happened, but the bottom Wikilinks within the infobox on the 2012–13 W-League and 2013–14 W-League pages are somehow completely fucked. Past the point of the Highest Scoring fixtures, the rest of the Wikilinks are unclickable, even though they are blue. This ruins the user's ability to view each season by season. If anyone can fix this, I'd be most appreciative! - J man708 ( talk) 07:42, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Is this article really necessary? Why can't this info be included in Ronaldo's page? – Pee Jay 10:34, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
The Northern Ireland footballer is being discussed at the BLP Noticeboard here. Hack ( talk) 06:37, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
This list is now empty and hasn't been updated for 2 years. In trying to save time and effort for everyone, rather than going through a full deletion process, what are people's thoughts about deleting? Notifying @ Rettetast: as the list creator. Giant Snowman 09:12, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Just found that strange article. Unreferenced for 11 years now. - Koppapa ( talk) 12:35, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Am I correct to assume that the appearances Ross Stephens made for Shrewsbury Town were not first team matches per this source? Hack ( talk) 04:59, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Some of you will be aware of an ongoing issue of BLP articles created by Sander.v.Ginkel. The background at ANI can be found here. The discussion on the cleanup can be found here. In short, 16,000 BLP articles are being moved out of the mainspace to draftspace. This has already started following a Bot Approval. This should be complete in the next 48hrs or so. Articles will remain in draft for 90 days. In that time, they can be checked, and if OK, moved back to the mainspace. Anything not checked after 90 days will be deleted automatically.
So how can you help? The BLPs are broken down by occupational area. If an one of these interests you, please help. Even if it is checking one article. Check the article that has been moved to draft that a) it meets the notability requirement of the occupational area in question and b) that the facts in the article are supported by the sources. This includes, but is not limited to, the dates of birth, who they represented, when they were active, etc. If there are elements that can not be supported by the sources, they must be removed. If you are happy with the article, then move it back into the mainspace. DO NOT move anything until you have checked the sources, or supplied other reliable sources to support information in the article that may not already be cited. More information can be found here.
This is not going to be an easy task. I don't think there's too much support to check 16,000+ articles and I suspect that most of them will be gone after 90 days. If you have any questions, please raise them here. Thanks. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 11:47, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
I have been working on updating articles related to futsal recently. I noticed that in both the Republic of Ireland national futsal team and England national futsal team infoboxs their first matches listed are from a series of games in Rome in July 1983. Other participants included Belgium, Scotland and Italy. Can't find any online sources (in English at least) mentioning these games. Anybody here know any sources. Djln Djln ( talk) 15:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi. I add a request in the deletion review page about the Football at the 2011 Military World Games – Men's tournament. Regards. -- Fayçal.09 ( talk) 19:55, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
I have looked for, and have been unable to find any consistency in the format of results for cup season articles. Some have tables using One Leg Start and Two Leg Start. Others use football boxes. Some even use both. It seems like the results should look similar across the project. Thoughts? Equineducklings ( talk) 21:30, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
In club season articles, should we add report links for every single upcoming match or just for the ones already played? Or, like I was doing, add a link only for the upcoming match? SLBedit ( talk) 23:15, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Situation "created" in the Javier Patiño article: in his international goals chart, an IP address (I am 100% sure it is banned User:Banana Fingers, only user who has had a problem with this in the past) keeps changing from "qualification" to "qualifier".
Since the former form ("qualification") is the terminology used in EVERY article we have here for the several qualifying tournaments around the world, why should the hidden format read "qualifier"? Just curious, but I have given up in that aspect, don't want to aggravate a person who has a history of wiki-abuse in general and towards me on many occasions (don't know how many of you remember, but their userpage read for several years "This is my userpage so piss off". Self-explanatory...).
Attentively, thanks in advance -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 11:23, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Hey, should winning the tournament count as an honour? For me it is an invitational friendly youth tournament. See Cristiano Ronaldo where User:Aavelarx added it (he did not start a discussion so i will). Just to be sure what is correct, thanks in advance. Kante4 ( talk) 22:51, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
And if so, should they be added to "Europe" or "Others" section? 8Dodo8 ( talk · contribs) 11:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Ages ago we discussed this as you didn't really need to repeat the same link under each other. So I changed Harry Kane on that rule to only link Friendly once and UEFA Euro 2016 qualification to link once. But Mattythewhite reverted me, are we changing the rule back then? Because there is a couple of hundred player articles that overlink has been applied to on these tables. Govvy ( talk) 00:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Are goals in an unofficial national games notable to include in the list of goals scored on player's article? Because someone is keep adding those goals at Piyapong Pue-on, official FIFA record is 100 caps/70 goals, all 70 goals are already in the first table per RSSSF source, while surely those games in the second table against army teams, Liverpool Reserves, club teams etc. are not notable neither are sourced ? Snowflake91 ( talk) 14:30, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
King's Cup, Merdeka Tournament is notable tournament in Asia countries. Obviously, Below matches are not full international match. But At that time, These matches were regard as full international matches. Especially, In Kings Cup and Merdeca Cup Although, These matches are not full international matches,They were very notable in Asian countries.
There are source from South Korean Newspaper at that time. - Thai national team vs Sangmu FC, Thai national team vs Korea Semi–professional Select Although B matches, The results are announced in South Korean Newspaper. [5] [6]
Below records are good resources to understand his performance. Not hamrful and useless information. Please don't judge by current European football view. Please consider time difference and footabll cultural difference.
Date | Venue | Opponent | Score | Result | Competition |
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November 20, 1981 | Bangkok | Polonia Warszawa | 2 goals | 2–0 | 1981 King's Cup |
May 6, 1982 | Bangkok | August 1 (army team) | 1 goal | 1–1 | 1982 King's Cup |
July 15, 1983 | Beijing | August 1 (army team) | 1 goal | 2–1 | 1983 Great Wall Cup |
July 23, 1983 | Beijing | Poland U–21 | 2 goals | 3–2 | 1983 Great Wall Cup |
December 27, 1983 | Bangkok | Medan | 1 goal | 2–0 | 1983 King's Cup |
January 3, 1984 | Bangkok | Liverpool Amateur | 3 goals | 4–3 | 1984 King's Cup |
July 28, 1986 | Kuala Lumpur | Sangmu FC (military team) | 1 goal | 1–1 | 1986 Merdeka Tournament |
January 25, 1988 | Bangkok | SC Rotor Volgograd | 1 goal | 4–2 | 1988 King's Cup |
February 10, 1989 | Bangkok | SC Rotor Volgograd | 2 goals | 3–1 | 1989 King's Cup |
February 8, 1993 | Bangkok | Malaysia B | 2 goals | 3–1 | 1993 King's Cup |
February 12, 1993 | Bangkok | Indonesia B | 2 goals | 2–0 | 1993 King's Cup |
February 14, 1993 | Bangkok | Korea Semi–professional Select | 1 goal | 1–0 | 1993 King's Cup |
February 13, 1997 | Bangkok | Romania Select | 1 goal | 1–0 | 1997 King's Cup |
Footwiks ( talk) 16:45, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Current consensus on English Wikipedia is to include only official statistics in articles. See WP:NOTSTATS. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 01:29, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Goalscorers
South Korea:
Park Chu-young: 2 Goals / 1 match are already Excluded since that time - So currenct stats - 68 matches 24 goals is accurate
Poland:
Robert Lewandowski: 1 Goal / 1 match is Included - Not 85 matches-42 Goals, 84 matches-41 Goals is accurate
Jakub Błaszczykowski: 1 Goal / 1 match is Included - - Not 89 matches-18 Goals, 88 matches-17 Goals is accurate
South korean international related articles are accurate. So we need not to change. But We have to correct many polish international related articles Footwiks ( talk)
Hello guys, I'm quite new so I've got a question: Are there any things I've to keep an eye on when I'm working with Austrian soccer-articles? I would like to expand the subject a little bit. Best wishes -- XaviYuahanda ( talk) 15:11, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
There are many football articles (mostly biographical) referenced with only one source to klisf.info
(a Russian website), which now is gone (?) I posted
a request at BOTREQ to tag all links to klisf.info as dead links. But maybe you have other ideas (e.g. complete removal), hence I notify participants of this WikiProject.
XXN, 20:36, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
I mean, not really important, but is the Madagascar women's national football team really a good article? There are quite a lot of sources but it's mostly unimportant stuff as the only have started playing 8 games after 2015. Edit: There are quite a few more Women's national teams in Africa classed as good articles, some like Burundi, Gambia or Cambodia have yet to play a FIFA match. Also should biggest win/loss in infobox include non-fifa games (which it does for non-fifa teams) or even both? - Koppapa ( talk) 09:33, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
The 2nd tier of Portuguese Football System it is called Segunda Liga. However, due to sponsor reasons, it's wikipedia page it is called LigaPro.
This does not apply to the other portuguese competitions: Primeira Liga it's not Liga NOS, Taça da Liga it's not Taça CTT, Taça de Portugal it's not Taça de Portugal Placard.
In other countries we have Serie B not Serie B ConTe.it, La Liga not La Liga Santander, FA Cup, not The Emirates FA Cup, and so on.
I think the second-highest division of Portuguese football should be named Segunda Liga, as it was before the sponsor deal, due to coherence. P3DRO ( talk) 16:59, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
See rfc on the above topic at Talk:Avram Grant. Cheers — Cliftonian (talk) 21:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm trying to move Draft:Axel Tuanzebe to the proper article which has been deleted. Axel Tuanzebe made his debut in the FA cup today, he passes WP:NFOOTY right? Inter&anthro ( talk) 20:09, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Kő Cloch is consistently reverting Federico Chiesa's positions to Forward / Winger / Attacking midfielder. Now, from what I understand Lionel Messi has played as all three of these positions in his career for Barcelona, yet his infobox simply states "Forward". Mario Götze has played in every forward position yet he's an attacking midfielder. Francesco Totti states attacking midfielder, forward, yet he played as a winger under Zeman. What is the proper consensus? Danieletorino2 ( talk) 13:11, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
"In modern football, the terms winger or wide player refer to a non-defender who plays on the left or right sides of the pitch. These terms can apply to left or right midfielders, left or right attacking midfielders, or left or right forwards. Left or right-sided defenders such as wing-backs or full-backs are generally not called wingers".
"A winger is an attacking player who is stationed in a wide position near the touchlines. They can be classified as forwards, considering their origin as the old "outside-forward" position, and continue to be termed as such in most parts of the world, especially in Latin and Dutch footballing cultures. However, in the British game (in which the 4–4–2 formation and its variants are most commonly used) they are usually counted as part of the midfield. First of all my apologies for assuming that a winger cannot be considered both a forward and midfielder. "However, in the British game (in which the 4–4–2 formation and its variants are most commonly used) they are usually counted as part of the midfield".
There are a variety of name types in Category:European national and official selection-teams not affiliated to FIFA: national team, official team, representative team, or just plain "team." My intent is to not force a single term for all of them—for example, "national" makes sense for Basque Country in a way it doesn't for Shetland—but to figure out some sort of standard. Based on the terms most commonly used, I'd suggest we use "national team" if whatever criteria are met, and "official team" if not. (If the team can't be called either national or official, I'd question its notability.) Fool's errand, or worth hashing something out? -- BDD ( talk) 18:52, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
I don't really edit in this area much, so I would appreciate it if someone could review the recent edits made by Josepolivares ( talk · contribs). In the "Youth career" section of Infobox football biography, the user is removing piped links to football clubs' youth teams and replacing them with links to the club itself – e.g. here. This strikes me as counterproductive (if we have articles on the youth team we should be linking to them), but it's possible there has been some consensus reached elsewhere and the user is completely justified in doing so. Thanks, IgnorantArmies (talk) 15:53, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
However, since it has been brought to discussion, and as I have 'debated' with JoseP, I would point out that he has also reverted my attempted youth-team linking edits to players such as Isaac Cuenca (who played for only the Juvenil A team between joining Barcelona and turning professional, therefore the link to that year group team is valid - I was ordered to find a reliable source for this, did so and it was still reverted), and Gabri García who is coach of Juvenil A, but for some reason is not being allowed to have a link in the infobox on his article pointing to that exact team. After a few attempts I decided to back away from an edit war.
@JoseP, It's also a bit tiresome that you have gone on to a mission to revert all the Basque links, I accept that you see yourself as a guardian of the Catalan stuff so it's your call to change that, but I presume there are other editors who monitor the Basque teams and none of them appear to have had any problems with the youth team links. The contributors to this discussion seem to be more in support of my viewpoint, although since the reverting began I have not made any new infobox links to the latest articles I have created on Betis and Espanyol as I was not sure I would have been correct to do so.
It was perhaps an error on my part to name the articles Juvenil when I wanted to refer to the system as a whole, and that is just one of several levels within it. But I think the Sevilla FC (youth) etc article names are a bit untidy, and I also didn't really fancy using Academy since that term isn't really used often in Spain as far as I know, instead it's all cantera which may be confusing for some readers, or locals refer to the academy by its location which is usually the club training ground. In the case of La Masia and La Fábrica, separate academy articles exist, but otherwise we have Lezama Facilities, Zubieta Facilities etc referring to the technical aspects of the training ground, and I definitely don't think the infobox link should be to there.
So should Barcelona and Real Madrid youth graduates have youth career links to the academies? I have a feeling Josepolivares and possibly others may have an issue with that, so it should at least be debated. And for the other clubs, should the youth articles be renamed to describe the systems in more general terms (as with the 'Reserves and Academy' articles for English and Scottish clubs)? And if so, what should the names be? Crowsus ( talk) 01:19, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Did we had a consensus that treat co-ownership as definitive deal not loan, as some player were sent out as co-ownership deal, then loan out again, the infobox would be very confusing (such as NO arrow and (co-ownership) beside Parma for Lorenzo Crisetig). Just please someone explain to new user User:Kő Cloch for Italian footballer for this unconstructive edit on Simone Zaza? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew hk ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, just looking for some input re a situation at Jorge Paixão. An editor claiming to be the subject ( Masso65 ( talk · contribs)) is unhappy about certain content he perceives to be unduly negative. I'd like to get a few more opinions on how to proceed. See User talk:Masso65#January 2017 for the discussion. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 20:34, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
YES, i am both of the IPs mentioned here (home and work, indeed). NO i am not a Braga fan, i do not support any club, at all. YES i'll get to work on article tomorrow again, thanks for all your help. My summaries? No excuse whatsoever, but before it became obvious that Jorge Paixão was editing his own article, this seemed like a blatant case of vandalism, with portions of storyline being removed even when the sources were not dead.
PS: as I pointed out to User:Mattythewhite in his talkpage, I did not write ANY of the previous content (especially the highly contentious - so it seems - "worst finish in 11 years"), but merely composed it. Last but not least, I had zero intention of harming Mr. Paixão's reputation or belittling his achievements, I can assure the community of this. Attentively, sorry for any inconvenience. -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 01:28, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Attentively -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 10:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Danieletorino2: keep the article updated. It was a good thing. But just want to ask question that is that really confuse people on subtitle "Decline and bankruptcy"? The bankruptcy of "Torino Calcio" was 2005, and the current team "Torino F.C." (founded as "Società Civile Campo Torino") founded in the same year, and from 2005 to 2016, the team faced recovery that promoted back to Serie A from B, and even played in Europa League. Any suggestion to improve the sub-title wording? Matthew_hk t c 03:01, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
If the subtitle was meant to be a conclusion of the whole 20 years, then the bankruptcy was a one off event. Would it appropriate to add the word "...And the birth of Torino F.C." more suitable as a summary of the whole decade? Matthew_hk t c 16:06, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
I've noticed a few edits to the 2016–17 FA Cup article, disputing whether or not this is the first time that two non-league clubs have reached the last 16 in the FA Cup.
The reference which has been added to support this claim actually states that it is the first time that two have reached the 5th round – it doesn't say last 16.
Indeed, it did not take long to find a year in which two did reach the last 16, though in that season it was the 2nd round. In 1900, Southampton, Bristol City and Tottenham Hotspur, all of which at that time were still non league clubs, competed in the last 32, and both Southampton and Bristol City proceeded to the last 16. See 1899–1900 FA Cup for details. Drawoh46 ( talk) 15:29, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
(I put this question in the article's own talk page, but perhaps nobody's seen it there.)
There's an inconsistency in the scope of the items in the infobox for 2016–17 FA Cup. (The problem also applies to the article for the previous season.)
For example: The Dates and Teams parameters cover all fourteen rounds, from Extra Preliminary Round to Final, whereas the Matches played and Goals scored parameters cover the last eight rounds only, i.e. rounds from 1st round proper onwards.
Which is correct? Drawoh46 ( talk) 08:15, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
This article - ASEAN Football Federation - has got completely out of hand over the past 2 months, and is now an over-the-top STATSFEST, and with +900 flagicons, also a FLAGFEST (especially if you like the Thailand flag). Can someone have a look at the best way forward to morph it into something more alike other similar articles ? Matilda Maniac ( talk) 23:05, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
I have been working on many Iraqi players and i have noticed some articles when going to their talk page shows that they are part of the wikiproject, how do i add that to them ? Furthermore is there an Iraqi football taskforce ? if not ,h how do I create one ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alitheboss55 ( talk • contribs) 20:29, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I just saw this and it needs to be discussed. Even if it is a friendly it is still national team. To me it is not a "B team" and should not be listed as such. That is not how it is done for other national teams when they play friendlies during their leagues winter break. Qed237 (talk) 11:12, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
I am not sure if this has been discussed before, but I noticed certain Major League Soccer and A-League player intros state "soccer player" instead of "football player". Is this up to the editor? Sebastian Giovinco's article states he "is an Italian professional footballer", yet his teammates Molham Babouli and Jay Chapman state "soccer player". Should they be changed or left as is? Danieletorino2 ( talk) 03:58, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
But we don't even use "football player" - it's "footballer". Giant Snowman 08:16, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
This article - FIFA Confederations Cup records - has also got out of hand with respect to the detail of all the records show, and some clearly cant be justified under WP:NOTSTATS.
Would someone mind taking a look at Ban Bueng United F.C.? Someone redirected it to Banbueng F.C., but did not blank the article. The article is using a non-free image in the infobox, and I'm not sure if that should be being used in target article instead. I'm also not sure if the redirect should be made or if both the source and target articles are notable per WP:FOOTYN since neither article is supported by any citations to reliable sources and neither team appears to be in the top league of Thailand. For reference, many of the teams in Thai League 2, Thai League 3, Thai League 4 and Thai Football Amateur Tournament seem to have similar articles whose only external link/source is a social media page. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:58, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
This list is now at featured list candidates and a considerable amount of work has been done by a number of editors to create it and align it to the current accepted style for such lists. If anyone has any comments on this article, input would be appreciated at the assessment page. Fenix down ( talk) 11:47, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Is that overcategorization ? Was it deleted before? Matthew_hk t c 03:58, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Are either [8] or [9] reliable sources? My gut instinct would be that they're user generated, but I'm not 100% sure. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 22:44, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
What is the footy agreement on nationality? Can the page be protected for ongoing removal of cat and changing the topic sentence. Matthew_hk t c 14:12, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
What's the best date for a club or franchise's "founding"? This has arisen in connection with some of the original Major League Soccer teams. There are several candidates for dates - 1996 (the year in which league play began); 1995 (the year in which these teams acquired coaches, logos, colors, venues, their first players and investors); or the date in 1994 in which the nascent MLS indicated that there would be teams in several named cities. Reliable sources tend to go with 1995 or 1996 as the "founding" date of the club (in this case, DC United). None (that I have found) takes it as far back as 1994, but - well maybe the argument's best for that date nevertheless. There is a discussion at Talk:D.C._United#DC_United_founding with a bit more background and links to some sources. Input from you all would be appreciated. Thanks. JohnInDC ( talk) 15:21, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Many footballer articles have been proposed for deletion because they do not meet notability requirements ( NFOOTY) as they are currently written. However, I and other editors that I have encountered feel that players who have represented national teams that are members of regional confederations (i.e. CONCACAF or the OFC) but not FIFA should be considered notable as long as they are competing against the "A" team of another association that is also a confederation and/or FIFA member. It does not make sense that some players competing in a given tournament (oftentimes the Caribbean Cup, for example) would meet notability requirements but not others. Also, the current notability requirements place small footballing nations at a disadvantage and make it a strong possibility that multiple nations in multiple confederations will likely never have a player that can be considered notable. Great examples are Martinique and French Guiana. They have qualified for the 2017 CONCACAF Gold Cup but even if they win the competition, their players will not be notable because they are not FIFA members (unless, of course, they are notable for another reason). I am proposing that the notability requirements be extended to players that appear in a senior international "A" match while playing for an association who is a member of one FIFA's official confederations or FIFA itself. I think that it is time that we come to an absolute position on the topic as the notability requirements are enforced inconsistently. For example, when Gibraltar became UEFA members, there was no discussion even before they were admitted to FIFA but there are multiple discussions regarding other areas. What are everyone's thoughts on the inclusion?-- Gri3720 ( talk) 17:43, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I am sympathetic to Gri3720, I personally feel that NFOOTY should be revisited and adjusted to include non-FIFA nations that participate in continental competitions. I am not sure why a player in one match of a given continental competition is deemed inherently notable as a result of playing in that competition, but a player in a different match in the same competition is not. I would like to see an addition to the notability guideline something along the lines of: In addition to players who have participated in Tier 1 international matches, all players who have appeared for the senior team of sovereign nations in a top-level continental competition in which all matches involving two FIFA members are deemed "Tier 1" are also considered notable by reason of having competed at an equal level to FIFA member nations. In this way the spirit of NFOOTY, namely the recognition that players who have played at the highest level are inherently notable, is being applied on an equal basis. Fenix down ( talk) 23:54, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I think it should be left the way it is. Changing it would likely lead to a great deal of confusing relating to which games and in which tournament are notable. Making a list of notable national competitions might be worth thinking about similar to the fully pro league list. The way it is now, its very clear. If it's changed than one could suggest that notability at club level should also be changed for semi-pro players who play in top level cup where such player plays in a match against a fully pro team. Simione001 ( talk) 01:16, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
→ Furthermore, I guess I'd like to see consistency across national and club level. I'm thinking something like this may work:
→:@ Simione001: I think we need to focus on just the international players at this time for the sake of reaching a conclusion and not overly complicating the discussion. However, I think that your ideas on non-professionals on a club level would make a good discussion thread.
@ Simione001:, @ Fenix down:, @ Crowsus:, @ Inter&anthro:, @ Number 57: so it seems that we have a vast majority of users in agreement that the addition should be made to the current notability guidelines. What is our next step to making it happen?-- Gri3720 ( talk) 15:05, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I come from it.wiki and my native language is Italian. I've added a paragraph about Kanchelskis's stint at Fiorentina. Can some native English speaker have a look at it to see if it's ok? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 15:59, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Can someone please take a look at edits like this and let me know what they think?
From what I remember we decided runners-up was not an honour?
Also the source added for U20 only mentions the squad announcement, which is not enough for being a reference for honour (they could have withdrawn before tournament due to injury or something)?
I would do it myself but I will be away for a while now, so if someone else would want to take a look that would be great. Thanks. Qed237 (talk) 19:49, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
I have nominated 2015–16 Bengaluru FC season for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Coderzombie ( talk) 22:21, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Are they suppose to have pages? Because I noticed this, Furman Paladins men's soccer which was linked to Clint Dempsey youth career. Govvy ( talk) 13:32, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
In case you didn't see this, it has been decided that the Daily Mail should not be used as a Reliable Source, so no more citations to their site. JMHamo ( talk) 00:45, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
I think this page Club seasons articles is in need of a major overhaul, as it would be great to have a proper, de facto format for all season articles to follow. Currently if you look at the top clubs season articles, they are all over the place, with very little consistency between them. Ideally this template page should be complete as much as possible, with filled in and up to date templates so they can easily be re-purposed by the clubs. I also feel it would also be useful to get consensus on what to include or not, getting opinions across the board, rather than just a select few. Thoughts? Thanks! Edsloan ( talk) 22:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I've seen in some english articles {{ Fb cap header}} used which displays which player was capain for how many games? Is this really needed? For me it is trivia (and not sourced aswell)... Kante4 ( talk) 14:50, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Merged the sections. Kante4 ( talk) 09:34, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
One user keeps adding back lineups for each and every game. See here. That is just not right, or...? Kante4 ( talk) 18:08, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
There's a consensus-seeking discussion at Talk:Lionel Messi#Free Kick Goals Record on whether or not the details of two individual goals he scored should be included in the article. The disputed addition is this. There is a lack of participation in the discussion after 7 days, so if anyone here wishes to offer an opinion, it might help to settle things. Thanks for any help. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 21:06, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Comments added. Crowsus ( talk) 23:14, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
In the introduction, infobox and 'Ecuador senior team' sections of the article it says he made his international debut in 2005. However, the source used for this in the 'Ecuador senior team' section does not actually say whether this appearance was his debut.
The NationalFootballTeams.com source, which is used for his international stats, claims he played two games in 2004. But there is no actual match info on the NFT.com website to say which matches he played in in 2004.
Not sure what is correct here but clearly it needs changed. Does anyone know where to find lineups from Ecuador games in 2004 to prove whether Valencia played for them in 2004?
-- Stuart1234 ( talk) 22:54, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
That often found in African countries, NFT.com claimed that he had caps that year but difficult to dig out the match report. With transfermarkt, Soccerway, worldfootball , ESPN that have actual lineup, I found nft.com more and more inferior. May be try to find the match schedule including friendly in FIFA.com , and then try to dig out any Spanish news article that was still live since 2004? Matthew_hk t c 19:05, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Chris Ikonomidis is an Australian footballer, yet has his name spelt in both Greek and Italian. The Greek I sort of understand as he's of Greek descent, but why in Italian? Danieletorino2 ( talk) 05:51, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi. In trying to update this graph, the source originally used is now dead. Anyone know of a RS that's up to date with the historical league positions achieved by English clubs? -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 12:21, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Or did you mean in "all" divisions? In which case, perhaps league tables linked from http://fchd.info/lghist/fl.htm for Football League and http://fchd.info/lghist/fa.htm for Prem. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 12:48, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
This is really helpful, guys, thanks. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 13:42, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
You all can see it at WP:CSOC! I'm wondering how I can get my parameter in the Wikiproject Football template to show? Cobyan02069 ( talk) 00:16, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Sigla F.C.#Requested move 5 February 2017, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 18:13, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
An IP keeps removing Wimbledon F.C. from Phoenix club (sports) without presenting any sources explaining why, on the basis that it's the same club/business. As has been established previously, it is the same set of footballing assets and the same league place, but not the same legal entity, so I'm not so sure. The fact remains that reliable sources refer to a phoenix club in this case. Cheers — Cliftonian (talk) 10:52, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
How do we feel about edits like this? User:Pakhtakorienne has added a list of the competition records to the Juventus main article, but in a different style than Juventus F.C. in European football, which is the page I pointed him to, after reverting, where this info can be found. He told me since it's in a "summary" style format, different to the X in European football article, so should belong on the main page. Personally, I don't see a need for it, and find it rather unattractive and difficult to follow. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 13:12, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
My personal opinion would be that it's far too much detailed information for the main club article, and as such should be split off to its own article, which I believe already exists, and replaced with a brief summary. Why would the reader of the club overview need a bright patchwork naming every opponent the club has faced in the later stages of every European competition? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 15:51, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
This list doesn't seem to be on either article now? From reading above, I think that some (though certainly not all) felt it would be OK to feature in the In European football article? Seems a waste considering the work gone into it. Crowsus ( talk) 13:58, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
Can an uninvolved admin close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007 Columbus Crew season please? There is an overwhelming consensus to keep, and has been open for over 5 days now. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 00:20, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
User:Kő Cloch has recently boldly moved Category:Association football fullbacks to Category:Association football full-backs with a hyphen. I don't seem to be able to move it back, so please could someone with special powers do so. thanks in advance, Struway2 ( talk) 19:59, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
I just came across Norwich City 0–1 Luton Town (2013) and Yeovil Town 2–1 Sunderland (1949) and started thinking about the name of the articles. Should we really have the year in parenthesis? Also should we have the scoreline in the article title? I always thought we named the articles like "Norwich City v Luton Town (football match)" or something. Qed237 (talk) 11:15, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Is there no article for the Lincoln City manager? Govvy ( talk) 15:08, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Sean Raggett was created for scoring the winning goal in the FA Cup today, knocking out Premier League team Burnley. Does this pass GNG or should it be nominated for deletion? JMHamo ( talk) 22:48, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I created that article. I'd argue it is notable in that his goal created a piece of history as taking Lincoln into the quarter-finals, the first non-league club to do so in 103 years. For me that is worthy of an exception to the usual notability criteria for a player. Either way, Lincoln are currently set to be promoted into League 2, a fully professional league in the next three months. If that were to happen, and Raggett were not to be sold, it likely he would reach the notability criteria regardless of the goal. Considering that it may make sense to be patient with any immediate concerns regarding deletion. Veryirregularuser ( talk) 01:14, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Not a crystal ball, just a practical suggestion. I am not against a nomination for deletion. It is worth the conversation. But, in one day the article gets over 3,000 views, and Lincoln gets 80,000 views, more views in one day than teams arsenal and tottenham have achieved in the last two years. Reggett and Lincoln's victory has created a world wide interest. With articles written about Lincoln and Reggett widely quoted internationally.I don't think it fails to cover one event, because firstly, the event is barely covered on wikipedia, secondly Reggett literally just misses the criteria as it is, being a player who is professional and has played more matches against bigger teams than most league 2 players. If one is not to cover the event through essentially increasing the content on what is now much larger public interest on Lincoln, then an article on the run is definitely necessary. Veryirregularuser ( talk) 15:03, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
I just thought I throw this one out there, but I thought the article was very poor and could use a lot of help to improve it. So please if there are any editors out there who want to have a go, please do. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 14:00, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Folks.
Please see Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Suggested change to Association Football