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What is WikiProject Films' policy on cancelled or unfinished films? I recently nominated Batman Triumphant as an AfD since it's already mentioned in its own section at Batman & Robin and doesn't seem to need its own article. People who have voted against deletion have said that it is notable enough, and I'm not sure how a Batman film that never took off from pre-production is more notable than any other projects that failed to take off. -- Erik 23:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't know the exact number, but it seems to be alot here: Category:Unassessed film articles. This needs massive work. I'm going to start going through some today, but the more help... the faster it will go. RobJ1981 19:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
What's the purpose of the future class assessment? - Acjelen 19:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
What do we do about articles that cannot be assessed as Future, Stub, Start, B..., such as lists ( List_of_Disney_direct-to-video_films), should they not be labeled as WikiProject Films? Cbrown1023 19:36, 9 September 2006 (UTC). The following pages fit into that category:
When assessing articles, you add in Class = <whatever> and Importance = <whatever>. Now, that's all fine because, depending on what class you use, there is a label printed onto the template. But when you add in the importance, nothing appears to differ in the template. So, (yes, I am aware of the new template design), but is there any point in doing it until the new template comes into force? Iola k ana• T 18:46, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
What about genre articles (i.e. Comedy film or Drama film)? Should they get tagged with {{ FilmsWikiProject}} also? Cbrown1023 02:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The article at the above title concerned only the 1956 film. I created a stub about the 1988 film and turned And God Created Woman into a dab page. In dealing with the redirects, however, I had only enough patience to distinguish the two films in the Roger Vadim article and to eliminate the only double redirect. (I'm not heavily into films and came upon this situation only by accident, when a link took me to the 1956 film and that couldn't possibly be right.) Some FilmProject editor(s) could:
Good luck with the WikiProject! JamesMLane t c 09:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
We should have a non-article class rating, like what WikiProject Novels has ( see page here) for pages like this and lists. Cbrown1023 21:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Talk:Mrs. Doubtfire 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bud0011 ( talk • contribs)
It will be immensely useful for editors to be able to refer to Feature or A-class film articles. Could someone do something to enable this? I, for one, sure can't find a link on this Wikipage that takes me to a listing of film articles that are Feature articles. Of course, a Wikipage detailing the number of film articles that are Feature articles (and A-class articles, and so on) is available, but wouldn't it be more helpful if this table links to these film Feature articles? Splashprince 07:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi. If you still have work to do tagging talk pages and assessing articles, my AWB plugin might be of interest to you.
The plugin has two main modes of operation:
As of the current version, WikiProjects with simple "generic" templates are supported by the plugin without the need for any special programatic support by me. I've had a look at your project's template and you seem to qualify.
For more information see:
Hope that helps. If you have any questions or find any bugs please let me know on the plugin's talk page. -- Kingboyk 13:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC) Note: I've renamed your template {{ Film}}. There's at least 2 redirects to your template as far as I know, so if you intend to use my plugin please either configure it correctly, or wait until my next release (hopefully later today) in which I shall include a settings file for {{ film}}.
I've looked at these two important articles, and they look very similar so I think a merge is warranted. But I'm not sure which article title should be used if a merge takes place. Any feedback appreciated here or on the relevant article's talk page. Madder 18:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Just FYI, this is going on over at Categories for discussion, in case you want to put in your nickel's worth. Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 21:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I have never seen anywhere that Steve Irwin is the sea lion in this film... I would like to see a source or some claifacation to see the page: Happy Feet DPM 02:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Please be aware of the discussion for renaming for reason explained in the nomination. Thanks. Mallanox 15:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
The page is a mess, the main text is basically just a list of who is in it. I've added wikify and cleanup to it, and it always gets removed. Can someone keep an eye on it? Vandals keep removing the tags with no reason at all. RobJ1981 00:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Nintendude has been creating some categories without discussion, which isn't really alarming yet, but I'm not sure they're really useful or encyclopedic. For example, Category:Films by rating, and creating an umbrella category for Category:Film stubs by genre, which might be useful. Just a heads-up in case anyone feels strongly about either. ♥ Her Pegship♥ 19:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I created a new template at Template:Infobox Television Film. I felt it was needed because the television and film infoboxes didn't cover the merged category. Take a look at it, see if you have any suggestions or if you may want to add it to the links on the main article. Thanks. - Shannernanner 09:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to find where to discuss standardization of film articles. I'm pretty sure I'm posting in the wrong place, and would appreciate it if someone could point me in the right direction.
To be specific, I have been working on the Three Kings article and am having trouble deciding how much info should be placed in the "Plot" section. Should it be a small summary? Should it be an exahustive scene-by-scene description? Have these issues already been discussed? Where should I go for this type of discussion?
Thanks in advance, and by the way, I would like to offer my full support to WikiProject Films. I would be happy help in any way I can. Feel free to recruit me for any tasks that would benefit the project. — Nate Scheffey 12:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
This should help with the grading, the articles that use a {{ stub}} are automatically assessed as stub, just like WP:BIOGRAPHY and WP:SONGS. Cbrown1023 21:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering if you could add some syntax into the template to automatically assess articles as stubs (if they do not yet have an assessment) on the assessement scale if they use a stub template... I've been trying to do it and can't seem to find a way, any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cbrown1023 00:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I've found it a bit disconcerting to see silent films in, for example, Category:English-language films. Most silents were made with intertitles and vast numbers were released equally with intertitles in several languages. Of course these films had nationalities—a German silent is generally a very different matter than an American silent—but they didn't really have languages.
I'm not particularly interested in getting deep into this project—I have way too much else on my plate—but I'd suggest that this would be the best place to form a guideline for dealing with this, and hope someone does so. I won't be watchlisting this page, but if someone wants me, feel free to get hold of me. - Jmabel | Talk 03:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I added classes for Templates ( class=Template ), for Categories ( class=Cat ), and for Disambiguation pages ( class=Disambig ). I already added the Template-Class to pages that were in Category:Film templates using AWB. Any other help is greatly appreciated with adding these new tags to other pages. Cbrown1023 01:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Apologies, this should have been put on here sooner. Just in case anyone has any feelings either way. Mallanox 23:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story is a huge mess. As I looked at the talk page, I noticed it's a former good article. Just take a look at the article, and you will see it's almost a complete article of bulleted lists (pop cultural references of many types, and trivia). I've only seen parts of the movie (on the edited version), so I'm no expert on the film. Any help is needed, the page needs alot of work. RobJ1981 23:14, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Can we use http://www.ugo.com/ as a source for reviews on actors, etc.? -- plange 03:23, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd love some assistance with
The Burmese Harp - the link points to both the film, and the musical instrument, and the film article (stub) reveals two different Japanese films with that title. How do we split this all up? --
Davidals
08:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Figured it out...-- Davidals 08:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure you want this article on your list? Although related to Donald Duck, the subject is a graphic novel... Septentrionalis 18:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I've been doing some major expansion of the old stub for Nuberu bagu (Japanese new wave cinema), and would like to invite some discussion. I've taken off the "stub" tag; it's now "unassessed." At this point it has been expanded & sectioned; with an intro, overview, history, sections for key filmmakers (and themes), and a chronological list of selected titles (organized by year, alpha by director within the year). It has been referenced; I will be adding further references over the next week or so.
In the meantime, any organizational suggestions would be good - it has gone from a very small to a rather large article, and I would like for it to be top-notch, but not cumbersome or unwieldy. I've also listed it with WikiProjectJapan - I want any cultural references and allusions within the article to be accurate, and I think there are still some weak spots.
Overall, I think I'm going to niche-ify and focus of Japanese film; getting things improved and expanded as needed, and seeing if we can get a few additional high-quality J-film articles. -- Davidals 07:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
It seems a bit pointless having an "Awards" field in the infobox. Almost no-one's using it. For films with a lot of wins, it's impossible to fit them in tidily. Awards, and nominations, for that matter, need to be listed in the article body anyway. Can't we just lose the awards bit of the infobox altogether? TheMadBaron 12:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
This might be best discussed seperately.; it seems to be a lot more contentious, and I'd like to move on with the awards issue, which we seem to be agreed on. Having said that, for what it's worth, I think that RichMac and Cbrown are both right, and both wrong. IMDb shouldn't be in the infobox either. There should be redundancy, and we shouldn't be promoting IMDb over any other site, but there should be a links section for all films, with IMDb, AMG, Rotten Tomatoes, and an official site, if available. (One problem with having an official site in the infobox is that most films were made before the advent of the internet.) I'll use the AMG field as long as it's there, but I can't see that either link in the infobox is neccesary or desirable. TheMadBaron 23:23, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
As Hoverfish said at Template talk:Infobox Film, we should look at the other language's film infoboxes and "try to be as consistent as possible". Cbrown1023 11:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
They are talking about including this at Template talk:Infobox Film#Awards & AMG in infobox. Cbrown1023 20:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
does anyone have any scripts kicking around that will grab infobox content automatically? I've been adding infoboxes manually for a little while now and it's quite tedious, I could possibly write a script, but I'm not that experienced and it would take a lot of figuring. RichMac 23:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
createInfobox(imdbID, numberOfActors);Person using such script should always check the validity of the info anyway. Prolog 02:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
The Romantic comedy category is very large and I would like to subdivide it. I've tried to think of ways to do it without ending up with hugely long names such as Category:Musical romantic comedy. I've thought about doing it by decade or by language. I wondered if anyone else has any ideas? Mallanox 01:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I just wanted to note that WikiProject Indian Cinema seems to have been moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Cinema, as a workgroup of WP India. I had originally suggested bringing WP Indian Cinema into WP Films as a work group/task force, but got absolutely no response from anyone. So I was a little surprised when this move happened without (as far as I can see) any discussion either at WP India or Indian Cinema.
Regardless, I think now is a good time to ask the question - should a regional subject work group (in this case cinema) belong to the WikiProject for that region, or should it belong to the WikiProject for that subject? I believe in the latter, as also seen in the Indian military history task force placement. If that is the case, then the Indian cinema work group should be located here at WP Films.
Whatever happens, however, I'd like to see a consensus emerging from discussion rather than unilateral moving of a wikiproject into a work group without any consultation. Should no consensus emerge, then I suggest reverting the move and re-establishing WP Indian Cinema until a consensus is found. I look forward to everyone's comments! Thanks, Girolamo Savonarola 19:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Bleh, what a mess. I suppose, having been one of the people who originally came up with the task force idea, that I should not be surprised that this seems to be coming back to haunt me. ;-)
More generally, I think there are three major problems with Ganeshk's approach here:
Kirill Lokshin 22:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Ganesh, you seem to want the India bar there to get recruits. I'm not sure that you'd WANT some of the editors the film articles attract. We get obsessed fans, editors who write like gossip columnists, and editors who write in garbled Hinglish. In a discussion of expert retention, someone divided WP articles into core and fluff articles. Core articles require some expertise. Fluff articles may require only having seen a movie. Film fans work on fluff and don't necessarily know anything about core subjects. I was going to suggest that we have both bars up but hey, that India bar is humongous! If you produced a short template, only an inch or so long, that said something like "Interested in working on other articles about India? Come to XXXXX," then we could add that. Girolamo, I don't think I've seen the film bar, but if it's long, then I'd suggest a similar one inch "check out the larger project" link. I'm not sure that I want Bollywood "annexed" into a larger project with which, at the moment, we have next to no communication. Two SHORT links would channel editors in two directions, and not overwhelm our project page. Zora 20:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, all the templates mentioned are too dang big! The India project template now on the INCINE main page is an improvement, but it's still too big! When we started the Indian cinema project, we had a small template. "Click here to find out more about the project." Or something like that. Then the template grew. And multiplied. Template creep!
Personally, I'd want the INCINE main page and all the article discussion pages to have a one-sentence banner running all the way across the top, that says something like, "Interested in working on other film articles? Visit the main film project. Interested in working on other articles about India? Visit the main India project." None of this horrid jumble of multiple templates. Put the film project first.
However, there are more people than just me involved in the Indian cinema project. Few of them are as vocal, but I think they should be consulted. Do a mockup template and post it on the INCINE discussion page and see what responses we get. Zora 06:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone here be interested in helping to maintain an "Uncategorised films" category? There are a large number of them in the Uncategorised articles category. If so, please reply here and I will create it. Aelfthrytha 05:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
If anyone would care to give this a copy-edit. As of now it's pretty amigious and I don't think I'm getting my point across very well. Note: the script I've setup grabs imdb pages, main and cast and creates an filed in infobox, it doesn't post to wikipedia and any of that will have to be manual. Also, it is based on phpimdb RichMac 22:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Licensing Department - Request for consent for data gathering
I was hoping to obtain consent for parsing of data from IMDb for Wikipedia (www.wikipedia.org). It should be noted that I am a Wikipedia user and not writing on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation.
Much of the basic information on Wikipedia's film articles are gathered through IMDb. Currently this is an entirely manual process: Check IMDb, post director, check IMDb, post writer, et cetera. I would like to have a script gather this basic information and present it in wiki-format. Such a script would be entirely user-initiated and thus wouldn't be a massive data-mining operation. In some regards it may cut down on traffic due to repeated returns for bits of information. Please feel free to email me with any comments or questions you might have.
Anyone? Any comments or revisions? ... As you can see from my contributions they're usually technical, not writing... RichMac 04:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
"Please also remember that imdb's terms of use state that "You may not use data mining, robots, screen scraping, or similar data gathering and extraction tools on this site, except with our express written consent as noted below." - Bobet 11:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC) " RichMac 06:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I've sent off a message requesting consent to use such a script RichMac 06:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi there! I'm looking for any help I can get in cleaning this up for a possible FA run, and, although this is about a film producer and not a film proper, I'm hoping a couple people might be able to take a glance at it and see if there's anything they can help me with in terms of changes or anything. Worth a shot, I suppose. Thanks! -- badlydrawnjeff talk 03:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
This category is in sad shape. There appears to be a lot of vandalism from User:198.189.198.2 dating back to Dec 15, 2005. Betty White? Tallulah Bankhead? Please...
Also, many of the actors who portrayed specific roles, e.g. Danny DeVito as the Penguin, have suffered because subcats were deleted instead of merged. I haven't looked yet, but I suspect that the Superman-related actors have also been unceremoniously dumped as well. CovenantD 18:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I am currently doing a lot of hours in the List of films by year, checking out which films mentioned under "top grossing" belong to which year, adding them there (if they are missing), making a comprehensive list of each year's film. In other words, from 1940 till 1970, the sections "Other films" have become "Films released in 19--". Also I have placed this list under Awards and before Births and Deaths, wherever it wasn't already. On my way I have fixed many links and pipes and have marked films that are "only mentioned in the article". I am going backwards to the 1930's, until where it was done as this (comprehensive lists for each year). Also I upload a few missing images to infoboxes. As in the years from 1970 on, it is consistent that births and deaths are always over the list of films. I wouldn't like to create problems by changing the order, unless I have full agreement with all involved, practicality discussed, etc. My aim is to bring to the List by years a consistent, "ergonomic" form, so that I can then start crossing entries with the List by name (alphabetic) and add missing entries to and from both. I am aware that in the last decade, tables are used for the particular lists (awards, top grossing) and I have no plans to "homogenize" anything there. I don't ask for consistency in anything else than for a comprehensive list in each year and if possible its position in the article. Hoverfish 22:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody else think this level of categorization is maybe not such a good idea? CovenantD 03:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed Category:Articles with large trivia sections has many film articles in it. While trivia isn't totally against policies at Wikipedia, they certainly shouldn't be so large. Put the important information in the article itself, not in a trivia section. If it's just a small unimportant note, it probably doesn't belong in the article. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan's guide to every little note to a movie that might interest you. RobJ1981 16:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
==Trivia==
section. We need to work on that.
Cbrown1023
16:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)Is there a general consensus as to the size of images in the infobox? I've just started adding new images and the contrasts in sizes are a little unappealing. RichMac 20:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, perhaps my eyes are playing tricks on me. What dimensions does that re-size to? RichMac 01:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm developing a template called {{ cat year nav}} that has most or all of the functionality of the dedicated yearly navigation templates. I've already replaced {{ cvg year nav}} with it. If it is suitable for your project, I encourage you to use it (or tell me what it needs so I can fix it up). Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi all, just to bring [ [1]] to your attention. A category has been created for Chick flicks, I have proposed its deletion but as ever I leave it to the community to decide. Mallanox 23:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
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Archive 1 | ← | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | → | Archive 10 |
What is WikiProject Films' policy on cancelled or unfinished films? I recently nominated Batman Triumphant as an AfD since it's already mentioned in its own section at Batman & Robin and doesn't seem to need its own article. People who have voted against deletion have said that it is notable enough, and I'm not sure how a Batman film that never took off from pre-production is more notable than any other projects that failed to take off. -- Erik 23:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't know the exact number, but it seems to be alot here: Category:Unassessed film articles. This needs massive work. I'm going to start going through some today, but the more help... the faster it will go. RobJ1981 19:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
What's the purpose of the future class assessment? - Acjelen 19:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
What do we do about articles that cannot be assessed as Future, Stub, Start, B..., such as lists ( List_of_Disney_direct-to-video_films), should they not be labeled as WikiProject Films? Cbrown1023 19:36, 9 September 2006 (UTC). The following pages fit into that category:
When assessing articles, you add in Class = <whatever> and Importance = <whatever>. Now, that's all fine because, depending on what class you use, there is a label printed onto the template. But when you add in the importance, nothing appears to differ in the template. So, (yes, I am aware of the new template design), but is there any point in doing it until the new template comes into force? Iola k ana• T 18:46, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
What about genre articles (i.e. Comedy film or Drama film)? Should they get tagged with {{ FilmsWikiProject}} also? Cbrown1023 02:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The article at the above title concerned only the 1956 film. I created a stub about the 1988 film and turned And God Created Woman into a dab page. In dealing with the redirects, however, I had only enough patience to distinguish the two films in the Roger Vadim article and to eliminate the only double redirect. (I'm not heavily into films and came upon this situation only by accident, when a link took me to the 1956 film and that couldn't possibly be right.) Some FilmProject editor(s) could:
Good luck with the WikiProject! JamesMLane t c 09:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
We should have a non-article class rating, like what WikiProject Novels has ( see page here) for pages like this and lists. Cbrown1023 21:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Talk:Mrs. Doubtfire 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bud0011 ( talk • contribs)
It will be immensely useful for editors to be able to refer to Feature or A-class film articles. Could someone do something to enable this? I, for one, sure can't find a link on this Wikipage that takes me to a listing of film articles that are Feature articles. Of course, a Wikipage detailing the number of film articles that are Feature articles (and A-class articles, and so on) is available, but wouldn't it be more helpful if this table links to these film Feature articles? Splashprince 07:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi. If you still have work to do tagging talk pages and assessing articles, my AWB plugin might be of interest to you.
The plugin has two main modes of operation:
As of the current version, WikiProjects with simple "generic" templates are supported by the plugin without the need for any special programatic support by me. I've had a look at your project's template and you seem to qualify.
For more information see:
Hope that helps. If you have any questions or find any bugs please let me know on the plugin's talk page. -- Kingboyk 13:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC) Note: I've renamed your template {{ Film}}. There's at least 2 redirects to your template as far as I know, so if you intend to use my plugin please either configure it correctly, or wait until my next release (hopefully later today) in which I shall include a settings file for {{ film}}.
I've looked at these two important articles, and they look very similar so I think a merge is warranted. But I'm not sure which article title should be used if a merge takes place. Any feedback appreciated here or on the relevant article's talk page. Madder 18:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Just FYI, this is going on over at Categories for discussion, in case you want to put in your nickel's worth. Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 21:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I have never seen anywhere that Steve Irwin is the sea lion in this film... I would like to see a source or some claifacation to see the page: Happy Feet DPM 02:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Please be aware of the discussion for renaming for reason explained in the nomination. Thanks. Mallanox 15:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
The page is a mess, the main text is basically just a list of who is in it. I've added wikify and cleanup to it, and it always gets removed. Can someone keep an eye on it? Vandals keep removing the tags with no reason at all. RobJ1981 00:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Nintendude has been creating some categories without discussion, which isn't really alarming yet, but I'm not sure they're really useful or encyclopedic. For example, Category:Films by rating, and creating an umbrella category for Category:Film stubs by genre, which might be useful. Just a heads-up in case anyone feels strongly about either. ♥ Her Pegship♥ 19:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I created a new template at Template:Infobox Television Film. I felt it was needed because the television and film infoboxes didn't cover the merged category. Take a look at it, see if you have any suggestions or if you may want to add it to the links on the main article. Thanks. - Shannernanner 09:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to find where to discuss standardization of film articles. I'm pretty sure I'm posting in the wrong place, and would appreciate it if someone could point me in the right direction.
To be specific, I have been working on the Three Kings article and am having trouble deciding how much info should be placed in the "Plot" section. Should it be a small summary? Should it be an exahustive scene-by-scene description? Have these issues already been discussed? Where should I go for this type of discussion?
Thanks in advance, and by the way, I would like to offer my full support to WikiProject Films. I would be happy help in any way I can. Feel free to recruit me for any tasks that would benefit the project. — Nate Scheffey 12:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
This should help with the grading, the articles that use a {{ stub}} are automatically assessed as stub, just like WP:BIOGRAPHY and WP:SONGS. Cbrown1023 21:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering if you could add some syntax into the template to automatically assess articles as stubs (if they do not yet have an assessment) on the assessement scale if they use a stub template... I've been trying to do it and can't seem to find a way, any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cbrown1023 00:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I've found it a bit disconcerting to see silent films in, for example, Category:English-language films. Most silents were made with intertitles and vast numbers were released equally with intertitles in several languages. Of course these films had nationalities—a German silent is generally a very different matter than an American silent—but they didn't really have languages.
I'm not particularly interested in getting deep into this project—I have way too much else on my plate—but I'd suggest that this would be the best place to form a guideline for dealing with this, and hope someone does so. I won't be watchlisting this page, but if someone wants me, feel free to get hold of me. - Jmabel | Talk 03:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I added classes for Templates ( class=Template ), for Categories ( class=Cat ), and for Disambiguation pages ( class=Disambig ). I already added the Template-Class to pages that were in Category:Film templates using AWB. Any other help is greatly appreciated with adding these new tags to other pages. Cbrown1023 01:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Apologies, this should have been put on here sooner. Just in case anyone has any feelings either way. Mallanox 23:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story is a huge mess. As I looked at the talk page, I noticed it's a former good article. Just take a look at the article, and you will see it's almost a complete article of bulleted lists (pop cultural references of many types, and trivia). I've only seen parts of the movie (on the edited version), so I'm no expert on the film. Any help is needed, the page needs alot of work. RobJ1981 23:14, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Can we use http://www.ugo.com/ as a source for reviews on actors, etc.? -- plange 03:23, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd love some assistance with
The Burmese Harp - the link points to both the film, and the musical instrument, and the film article (stub) reveals two different Japanese films with that title. How do we split this all up? --
Davidals
08:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Figured it out...-- Davidals 08:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure you want this article on your list? Although related to Donald Duck, the subject is a graphic novel... Septentrionalis 18:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I've been doing some major expansion of the old stub for Nuberu bagu (Japanese new wave cinema), and would like to invite some discussion. I've taken off the "stub" tag; it's now "unassessed." At this point it has been expanded & sectioned; with an intro, overview, history, sections for key filmmakers (and themes), and a chronological list of selected titles (organized by year, alpha by director within the year). It has been referenced; I will be adding further references over the next week or so.
In the meantime, any organizational suggestions would be good - it has gone from a very small to a rather large article, and I would like for it to be top-notch, but not cumbersome or unwieldy. I've also listed it with WikiProjectJapan - I want any cultural references and allusions within the article to be accurate, and I think there are still some weak spots.
Overall, I think I'm going to niche-ify and focus of Japanese film; getting things improved and expanded as needed, and seeing if we can get a few additional high-quality J-film articles. -- Davidals 07:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
It seems a bit pointless having an "Awards" field in the infobox. Almost no-one's using it. For films with a lot of wins, it's impossible to fit them in tidily. Awards, and nominations, for that matter, need to be listed in the article body anyway. Can't we just lose the awards bit of the infobox altogether? TheMadBaron 12:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
This might be best discussed seperately.; it seems to be a lot more contentious, and I'd like to move on with the awards issue, which we seem to be agreed on. Having said that, for what it's worth, I think that RichMac and Cbrown are both right, and both wrong. IMDb shouldn't be in the infobox either. There should be redundancy, and we shouldn't be promoting IMDb over any other site, but there should be a links section for all films, with IMDb, AMG, Rotten Tomatoes, and an official site, if available. (One problem with having an official site in the infobox is that most films were made before the advent of the internet.) I'll use the AMG field as long as it's there, but I can't see that either link in the infobox is neccesary or desirable. TheMadBaron 23:23, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
As Hoverfish said at Template talk:Infobox Film, we should look at the other language's film infoboxes and "try to be as consistent as possible". Cbrown1023 11:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
They are talking about including this at Template talk:Infobox Film#Awards & AMG in infobox. Cbrown1023 20:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
does anyone have any scripts kicking around that will grab infobox content automatically? I've been adding infoboxes manually for a little while now and it's quite tedious, I could possibly write a script, but I'm not that experienced and it would take a lot of figuring. RichMac 23:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
createInfobox(imdbID, numberOfActors);Person using such script should always check the validity of the info anyway. Prolog 02:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
The Romantic comedy category is very large and I would like to subdivide it. I've tried to think of ways to do it without ending up with hugely long names such as Category:Musical romantic comedy. I've thought about doing it by decade or by language. I wondered if anyone else has any ideas? Mallanox 01:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I just wanted to note that WikiProject Indian Cinema seems to have been moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Cinema, as a workgroup of WP India. I had originally suggested bringing WP Indian Cinema into WP Films as a work group/task force, but got absolutely no response from anyone. So I was a little surprised when this move happened without (as far as I can see) any discussion either at WP India or Indian Cinema.
Regardless, I think now is a good time to ask the question - should a regional subject work group (in this case cinema) belong to the WikiProject for that region, or should it belong to the WikiProject for that subject? I believe in the latter, as also seen in the Indian military history task force placement. If that is the case, then the Indian cinema work group should be located here at WP Films.
Whatever happens, however, I'd like to see a consensus emerging from discussion rather than unilateral moving of a wikiproject into a work group without any consultation. Should no consensus emerge, then I suggest reverting the move and re-establishing WP Indian Cinema until a consensus is found. I look forward to everyone's comments! Thanks, Girolamo Savonarola 19:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Bleh, what a mess. I suppose, having been one of the people who originally came up with the task force idea, that I should not be surprised that this seems to be coming back to haunt me. ;-)
More generally, I think there are three major problems with Ganeshk's approach here:
Kirill Lokshin 22:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Ganesh, you seem to want the India bar there to get recruits. I'm not sure that you'd WANT some of the editors the film articles attract. We get obsessed fans, editors who write like gossip columnists, and editors who write in garbled Hinglish. In a discussion of expert retention, someone divided WP articles into core and fluff articles. Core articles require some expertise. Fluff articles may require only having seen a movie. Film fans work on fluff and don't necessarily know anything about core subjects. I was going to suggest that we have both bars up but hey, that India bar is humongous! If you produced a short template, only an inch or so long, that said something like "Interested in working on other articles about India? Come to XXXXX," then we could add that. Girolamo, I don't think I've seen the film bar, but if it's long, then I'd suggest a similar one inch "check out the larger project" link. I'm not sure that I want Bollywood "annexed" into a larger project with which, at the moment, we have next to no communication. Two SHORT links would channel editors in two directions, and not overwhelm our project page. Zora 20:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, all the templates mentioned are too dang big! The India project template now on the INCINE main page is an improvement, but it's still too big! When we started the Indian cinema project, we had a small template. "Click here to find out more about the project." Or something like that. Then the template grew. And multiplied. Template creep!
Personally, I'd want the INCINE main page and all the article discussion pages to have a one-sentence banner running all the way across the top, that says something like, "Interested in working on other film articles? Visit the main film project. Interested in working on other articles about India? Visit the main India project." None of this horrid jumble of multiple templates. Put the film project first.
However, there are more people than just me involved in the Indian cinema project. Few of them are as vocal, but I think they should be consulted. Do a mockup template and post it on the INCINE discussion page and see what responses we get. Zora 06:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone here be interested in helping to maintain an "Uncategorised films" category? There are a large number of them in the Uncategorised articles category. If so, please reply here and I will create it. Aelfthrytha 05:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
If anyone would care to give this a copy-edit. As of now it's pretty amigious and I don't think I'm getting my point across very well. Note: the script I've setup grabs imdb pages, main and cast and creates an filed in infobox, it doesn't post to wikipedia and any of that will have to be manual. Also, it is based on phpimdb RichMac 22:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Licensing Department - Request for consent for data gathering
I was hoping to obtain consent for parsing of data from IMDb for Wikipedia (www.wikipedia.org). It should be noted that I am a Wikipedia user and not writing on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation.
Much of the basic information on Wikipedia's film articles are gathered through IMDb. Currently this is an entirely manual process: Check IMDb, post director, check IMDb, post writer, et cetera. I would like to have a script gather this basic information and present it in wiki-format. Such a script would be entirely user-initiated and thus wouldn't be a massive data-mining operation. In some regards it may cut down on traffic due to repeated returns for bits of information. Please feel free to email me with any comments or questions you might have.
Anyone? Any comments or revisions? ... As you can see from my contributions they're usually technical, not writing... RichMac 04:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
"Please also remember that imdb's terms of use state that "You may not use data mining, robots, screen scraping, or similar data gathering and extraction tools on this site, except with our express written consent as noted below." - Bobet 11:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC) " RichMac 06:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I've sent off a message requesting consent to use such a script RichMac 06:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi there! I'm looking for any help I can get in cleaning this up for a possible FA run, and, although this is about a film producer and not a film proper, I'm hoping a couple people might be able to take a glance at it and see if there's anything they can help me with in terms of changes or anything. Worth a shot, I suppose. Thanks! -- badlydrawnjeff talk 03:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
This category is in sad shape. There appears to be a lot of vandalism from User:198.189.198.2 dating back to Dec 15, 2005. Betty White? Tallulah Bankhead? Please...
Also, many of the actors who portrayed specific roles, e.g. Danny DeVito as the Penguin, have suffered because subcats were deleted instead of merged. I haven't looked yet, but I suspect that the Superman-related actors have also been unceremoniously dumped as well. CovenantD 18:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I am currently doing a lot of hours in the List of films by year, checking out which films mentioned under "top grossing" belong to which year, adding them there (if they are missing), making a comprehensive list of each year's film. In other words, from 1940 till 1970, the sections "Other films" have become "Films released in 19--". Also I have placed this list under Awards and before Births and Deaths, wherever it wasn't already. On my way I have fixed many links and pipes and have marked films that are "only mentioned in the article". I am going backwards to the 1930's, until where it was done as this (comprehensive lists for each year). Also I upload a few missing images to infoboxes. As in the years from 1970 on, it is consistent that births and deaths are always over the list of films. I wouldn't like to create problems by changing the order, unless I have full agreement with all involved, practicality discussed, etc. My aim is to bring to the List by years a consistent, "ergonomic" form, so that I can then start crossing entries with the List by name (alphabetic) and add missing entries to and from both. I am aware that in the last decade, tables are used for the particular lists (awards, top grossing) and I have no plans to "homogenize" anything there. I don't ask for consistency in anything else than for a comprehensive list in each year and if possible its position in the article. Hoverfish 22:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody else think this level of categorization is maybe not such a good idea? CovenantD 03:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed Category:Articles with large trivia sections has many film articles in it. While trivia isn't totally against policies at Wikipedia, they certainly shouldn't be so large. Put the important information in the article itself, not in a trivia section. If it's just a small unimportant note, it probably doesn't belong in the article. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan's guide to every little note to a movie that might interest you. RobJ1981 16:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
==Trivia==
section. We need to work on that.
Cbrown1023
16:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)Is there a general consensus as to the size of images in the infobox? I've just started adding new images and the contrasts in sizes are a little unappealing. RichMac 20:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, perhaps my eyes are playing tricks on me. What dimensions does that re-size to? RichMac 01:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm developing a template called {{ cat year nav}} that has most or all of the functionality of the dedicated yearly navigation templates. I've already replaced {{ cvg year nav}} with it. If it is suitable for your project, I encourage you to use it (or tell me what it needs so I can fix it up). Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi all, just to bring [ [1]] to your attention. A category has been created for Chick flicks, I have proposed its deletion but as ever I leave it to the community to decide. Mallanox 23:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)