Hi all. Now the elections are done, I think it's time to agree on what can be cleaned up on each article, hopefully using a bot to do all the busywork. Off the top of my head:
Those are the things I can think of from the top of my head. Can we get a definitive list together over the next couple of weeks to get things moving? Thanks! Lugnuts ( talk) 08:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
director_of_photography
→ cinematography
, editor
→ editing
)rating
, awards
, imdb_rating
, eproducer
etc.)image size
, narrator
, preceded by
, followed by
)Using a bot to handle all/most of these tasks shouldn't be too difficult. We have bots that can create articles, so adding templates, populating them, and making other changes should be straightforward. We either need to look to an existing bot and see if the existing changes it makes can be altered for our project or if we need to put a request in for an experienced bot-writer to further develop one for us. Once a bot is created, do we just need one person to run it (does it necessarily have to be the creator or can anyone use it)? I know there are some limitations on the duration and number of edits, but if its transferable, we can maybe shift it from coordinator to coordinator (or other willing members) to allow it to keep running and ensure it is working correctly. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 06:13, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Per Kollision, I removed the task to convert cast tables into cast lists due to the improbability of being able to accomplish this. I also added a list of parameters for "Add missing parameters that ought to be used", sticking with basics. However, I also included "alt=" so accessibility could be promoted. Are there any more tasks we could add? I'd like to kick this off soon. Erik ( talk | contribs) 21:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello, everyone! It has been a long time since we coordinators have gathered here. I hope everyone is well, and I would like to restart discussion. First, to update everybody about the bot requests, I believe that Peppage ( talk · contribs) is working on the bot. The discussion can be seen here. Feel free to review the bot requests; they should be agreeable and help standardize articles.
I would like to talk about taking the long view. I think that we have a lot of structure and a lot of guidelines in place for articles related to film. We are usually able to point to a set of guidelines or to a place for discussion. On top of all this, I think we should discuss ways to increase content contribution. I do not think WikiProject Film has had a successful history with collaboration, and perhaps we can talk about why that's the case. It may have to do with the number of editors, which brings me to my next point—outreach. If you have reviewed recent changes to film articles and their talk pages, we will see a lot of activity. I created User:Erik/Outreach for myself to follow the activity and to extend invitations to editors who appear to make good edits and have an interest in film. I was thinking that perhaps we could set up a quick way for established editors to engage in outreach when monitoring their watchlist or even the recent changes. Not everyone will join, but I think extending invitations will create opportunities for the community and potentially lead to more. More editors in the community might improve the likelihood of collaboration. In summary, I suggest making the outreach department a focal point and determining how we could reach out to others with ease.
In addition to outreach, I would like to explore the prospect of having school and university projects related to film. I'm not familiar with what classes about film have as coursework, but I was thinking that an ideal project could help improve an article about a film genre or something similarly broad. Perhaps one of the Core-class topics. What we could do here is find out what universities have strong film studies programs and contact their professors to see what they would be willing to consider. I'd like to find out what successful projects are relatively close to film to find out the approach we can take to providing structure.
Finally, I'd like to talk about images. There has been an idea for some time to find a way to get film images freely licensed. Nehrams2020 mentioned it recently to me: "Ideally, I'd like to move away from films for a while to try and contact various museums and maybe film studios for batch images of various topics. I've been putting it off, but would like to try my luck and see what additional images I can help secure under free licenses." Certainly there are archives of film images out there, and it would be great if we could get such archives freely licensed. It would be a boon to film articles on Wikipedia. In addition, we should explore how we can request freely licensed images from specific productions. For example, Dustbin Baby (film) particularly impressed me since its three film images are freely licensed. It may help to have instructions about how to do that, especially for productions that are not as major and are more accessible (like via blog or Facebook).
I'm setting up three sub-sections below so we can have different threads. Please share your thoughts! If you can, suggest a specific structure or a specific idea, and we can build on it. Erik ( talk | contribs) 17:53, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
This is definitely an area that would be great to expand. We've made efforts in the past, but definitely could use more concentrated efforts in bringing in new members. For those that join, we (along with the rest of Wikipedia) need to help push them along to join in on the discussions, learn about the guidelines, and assist in article writing. Maybe having a type of learning "film school" would be helpful (I believe WP:MILHIST has an established one) for detailing article fundamentals. This would definitely take a while to develop, but could assist in retaining members and encouraging new editors to join the project. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 03:06, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
I've thought about this in the past, and I think I have some notes/ideas I recorded a while back floating around somewhere. We could probably pull from the university project page the basics and then tailor it for WP:FILM. We would need to work to develop a type of form letter for approaching these professors with maybe a PowerPoint that could provide a basic overview of Wikipedia and WP:FILM. In addition, we're going to need stable volunteers willing to assist any student editors when the class starts. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 03:06, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
I've been working on a side project to help encourage further film GA growth. Looking through GAN, we have some GANs in excellent shape and others that have many issues that should have been resolved prior to nominating. I did a brief mockup in my sandbox (and page 2) of a possible department/collaboration that could work to pinpoint the articles that could be prepared for nominating at GAN. Articles would be checked for a few criteria including images, a developed lead, citations, a limited plot, etc. Reviewers could point out where articles need to be improved first and then once the criteria are completed, two reviewers could indicate they think a GA is ready. This could assist in ensuring quicker reviews as many issues would be resolved prior to the nomination. I have some introduction on how the collaboration could be set up, but it's currently on my other computer, so I'll detail that tomorrow. This could be an interesting collaboration among established and newer editors while further expanding our number of GAs. For my sandbox I just selected a few current B-class articles that have potential to reach GA and left some mock comments. This could encourage more editors to take on the GAs who may not know how to fully bring an article up to that level. Like I said, more details will be later (other projects came up), but I'm interested to hear if this could work. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 03:06, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
It looks like
CinemaBot (
talk ·
contribs) (set up by
Peppage (
talk ·
contribs)) received approval for a trial of 100 50 articles:
Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/CinemaBot (see end). Stay tuned!
Erik (
talk |
contribs) 20:04, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
We are past due for an election since the last one was September 2010. The term is for a year, so we should kick off a new election ASAP. I would recommend starting the new election by the beginning of October and have it run for two weeks. The election page should be started at Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Coordinators/Election 7 and use the same format as the previous election page. I recommend announcing the election in the October 2011 newsletter to be distributed in a few days. Erik ( talk | contribs) 13:57, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Erik ( talk · contribs) has been inactive for nearly 5 months now. Girolamo is not around either. Any new lead coordinator for the project?-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 18:23, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Dwaipayan, good point. I have noticed the inactivity of both Erik ( talk · contribs) and Bovineboy2008 ( talk · contribs). Pity really, they were useful as people who could take up informal reviews of articles. I think we may need to have a new co-ordinator election sooner than the stipulated 12-month deadline. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 16:41, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi all. Now the elections are done, I think it's time to agree on what can be cleaned up on each article, hopefully using a bot to do all the busywork. Off the top of my head:
Those are the things I can think of from the top of my head. Can we get a definitive list together over the next couple of weeks to get things moving? Thanks! Lugnuts ( talk) 08:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
director_of_photography
→ cinematography
, editor
→ editing
)rating
, awards
, imdb_rating
, eproducer
etc.)image size
, narrator
, preceded by
, followed by
)Using a bot to handle all/most of these tasks shouldn't be too difficult. We have bots that can create articles, so adding templates, populating them, and making other changes should be straightforward. We either need to look to an existing bot and see if the existing changes it makes can be altered for our project or if we need to put a request in for an experienced bot-writer to further develop one for us. Once a bot is created, do we just need one person to run it (does it necessarily have to be the creator or can anyone use it)? I know there are some limitations on the duration and number of edits, but if its transferable, we can maybe shift it from coordinator to coordinator (or other willing members) to allow it to keep running and ensure it is working correctly. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 06:13, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Per Kollision, I removed the task to convert cast tables into cast lists due to the improbability of being able to accomplish this. I also added a list of parameters for "Add missing parameters that ought to be used", sticking with basics. However, I also included "alt=" so accessibility could be promoted. Are there any more tasks we could add? I'd like to kick this off soon. Erik ( talk | contribs) 21:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello, everyone! It has been a long time since we coordinators have gathered here. I hope everyone is well, and I would like to restart discussion. First, to update everybody about the bot requests, I believe that Peppage ( talk · contribs) is working on the bot. The discussion can be seen here. Feel free to review the bot requests; they should be agreeable and help standardize articles.
I would like to talk about taking the long view. I think that we have a lot of structure and a lot of guidelines in place for articles related to film. We are usually able to point to a set of guidelines or to a place for discussion. On top of all this, I think we should discuss ways to increase content contribution. I do not think WikiProject Film has had a successful history with collaboration, and perhaps we can talk about why that's the case. It may have to do with the number of editors, which brings me to my next point—outreach. If you have reviewed recent changes to film articles and their talk pages, we will see a lot of activity. I created User:Erik/Outreach for myself to follow the activity and to extend invitations to editors who appear to make good edits and have an interest in film. I was thinking that perhaps we could set up a quick way for established editors to engage in outreach when monitoring their watchlist or even the recent changes. Not everyone will join, but I think extending invitations will create opportunities for the community and potentially lead to more. More editors in the community might improve the likelihood of collaboration. In summary, I suggest making the outreach department a focal point and determining how we could reach out to others with ease.
In addition to outreach, I would like to explore the prospect of having school and university projects related to film. I'm not familiar with what classes about film have as coursework, but I was thinking that an ideal project could help improve an article about a film genre or something similarly broad. Perhaps one of the Core-class topics. What we could do here is find out what universities have strong film studies programs and contact their professors to see what they would be willing to consider. I'd like to find out what successful projects are relatively close to film to find out the approach we can take to providing structure.
Finally, I'd like to talk about images. There has been an idea for some time to find a way to get film images freely licensed. Nehrams2020 mentioned it recently to me: "Ideally, I'd like to move away from films for a while to try and contact various museums and maybe film studios for batch images of various topics. I've been putting it off, but would like to try my luck and see what additional images I can help secure under free licenses." Certainly there are archives of film images out there, and it would be great if we could get such archives freely licensed. It would be a boon to film articles on Wikipedia. In addition, we should explore how we can request freely licensed images from specific productions. For example, Dustbin Baby (film) particularly impressed me since its three film images are freely licensed. It may help to have instructions about how to do that, especially for productions that are not as major and are more accessible (like via blog or Facebook).
I'm setting up three sub-sections below so we can have different threads. Please share your thoughts! If you can, suggest a specific structure or a specific idea, and we can build on it. Erik ( talk | contribs) 17:53, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
This is definitely an area that would be great to expand. We've made efforts in the past, but definitely could use more concentrated efforts in bringing in new members. For those that join, we (along with the rest of Wikipedia) need to help push them along to join in on the discussions, learn about the guidelines, and assist in article writing. Maybe having a type of learning "film school" would be helpful (I believe WP:MILHIST has an established one) for detailing article fundamentals. This would definitely take a while to develop, but could assist in retaining members and encouraging new editors to join the project. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 03:06, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
I've thought about this in the past, and I think I have some notes/ideas I recorded a while back floating around somewhere. We could probably pull from the university project page the basics and then tailor it for WP:FILM. We would need to work to develop a type of form letter for approaching these professors with maybe a PowerPoint that could provide a basic overview of Wikipedia and WP:FILM. In addition, we're going to need stable volunteers willing to assist any student editors when the class starts. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 03:06, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
I've been working on a side project to help encourage further film GA growth. Looking through GAN, we have some GANs in excellent shape and others that have many issues that should have been resolved prior to nominating. I did a brief mockup in my sandbox (and page 2) of a possible department/collaboration that could work to pinpoint the articles that could be prepared for nominating at GAN. Articles would be checked for a few criteria including images, a developed lead, citations, a limited plot, etc. Reviewers could point out where articles need to be improved first and then once the criteria are completed, two reviewers could indicate they think a GA is ready. This could assist in ensuring quicker reviews as many issues would be resolved prior to the nomination. I have some introduction on how the collaboration could be set up, but it's currently on my other computer, so I'll detail that tomorrow. This could be an interesting collaboration among established and newer editors while further expanding our number of GAs. For my sandbox I just selected a few current B-class articles that have potential to reach GA and left some mock comments. This could encourage more editors to take on the GAs who may not know how to fully bring an article up to that level. Like I said, more details will be later (other projects came up), but I'm interested to hear if this could work. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 03:06, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
It looks like
CinemaBot (
talk ·
contribs) (set up by
Peppage (
talk ·
contribs)) received approval for a trial of 100 50 articles:
Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/CinemaBot (see end). Stay tuned!
Erik (
talk |
contribs) 20:04, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
We are past due for an election since the last one was September 2010. The term is for a year, so we should kick off a new election ASAP. I would recommend starting the new election by the beginning of October and have it run for two weeks. The election page should be started at Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Coordinators/Election 7 and use the same format as the previous election page. I recommend announcing the election in the October 2011 newsletter to be distributed in a few days. Erik ( talk | contribs) 13:57, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Erik ( talk · contribs) has been inactive for nearly 5 months now. Girolamo is not around either. Any new lead coordinator for the project?-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 18:23, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Dwaipayan, good point. I have noticed the inactivity of both Erik ( talk · contribs) and Bovineboy2008 ( talk · contribs). Pity really, they were useful as people who could take up informal reviews of articles. I think we may need to have a new co-ordinator election sooner than the stipulated 12-month deadline. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 16:41, 19 April 2012 (UTC)