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A proposal to reduce the number of articles which in the past have been badged WPDOGS on their talk pages.
Calling 07bargem, User:4444hhhh, Coaster1983, Cyclonebiskit, Elf, Hutcher, Lisapollison, Miyagawa, R9tgokunks, SMcCandlish, The Cool Kat, VanTucky, Dougweller, Dinosaur Fan, Cavalryman V31, Gareth Griffith-Jones, User:Genegerbreader, Jamesjpk123, 7&6=thirteen, CanineCrew, Atsme, Puduḫepa, MarialeegRVT, Normal Op.
As stated on the main WPDOGS page: "The scope of this project includes those articles contained within the Category:Canines and any other articles that directly relate to dogs, whether living or extinct."
Following the link to this category will reveal a list of links to articles about something that can bite you! These articles are about wolves, dogs, coyotes, jackals, foxes etc. This is our base.
Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide advises: "The pages of a WikiProject are the central place for editor collaboration on a particular topic area. Editors there develop criteria, maintain various collaborative processes and keep track of work that needs to be done. It also provides a forum where issues of interest to the editors of a subject may be discussed."
Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Tagging pages with WikiProject banners advises: "Many WikiProjects use talk page banners to mark certain pages as within the scope of the WikiProject. This helps the WikiProjects to organize their progress improving pages within the project's scope......Consequently, pages should only be marked with WikiProject banners for projects that intend to support the tagged pages." [My bolding]
Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#WikiProjects define their scopes advises: "If an article is only tangentially related to the scope of a WikiProject, then please do not place that project's banner on the article. For example, washing toys for babies reduces transmission of some diseases, but the banners for WP:WikiProject Health and fitness, WP:WikiProject Biology, WP:WikiProject Viruses and/or WP:WikiProject Medicine do not need to be added to Talk:Toy."
In summary, WPDOGS gets to badge those articles that it intends to improve.
Back in December, we agreed on an Wikipedia:WikiProject Dogs/Assessment#Importance scale, which categorises the nearly 3,866 articles and files currently badged as belonging to WPDOGS.
Since then, all of the articles rated as Top, High, and Mid have been placed on our recent changes patrol list to be watched over. A list of 100 "suspect" dog articles from the Mid importance category in need of validation, deletion, or merging was compiled and this now sits on the top of this Talk page for working through. The 700 articles in these 3 categories should be accepted as being in-scope to WPDOGS because their subjects are capable of biting you!
There exists another 2,000 articles that are badged WPDOGS and rated at low importance. Most are not on the page patrol list. Some are extinct species and breeds, some are individual dogs, some are the cross-breeds, but the others were never able to bite you. These include dog-related articles on greyhound races and stadiums, dog show trails and events, dog leads and harnesses etc. I suggest that these particular groups are all in-scope.
Also among the 2,000 articles that are badged WPDOGS and rated at low importance are many articles on fictional dog characters in cartoons, animation, Anime, Manga, video games, puppets, plasticine, TV series, movies, and novels. These fall under other WikiProjects as the main owners (sometimes under several projects):
WikiProject Animation, WikiProject Disney, WikiProject Television, WikiProject Anime and manga, WikiProject Video games, WikiProject Film, WikiProject Fictional characters, WikiProject Comedy, WikiProject Novels, and WikiProject Children's literature.
The article may be also badged with one or more of the 300 categories that are co-badged by WPDOGS along with other WikiProjects:
There are also dog-like fictional characters in folklore, myth, legend, and the supernatural and these fall under other WikiProjects as the main owners (sometimes under more than one): WikiProject Folklore, WikiProject Mythology, and WikiProject Paranormal:
The article may be also stamped with the following categories:
There are some shelters and rescue organisations that fall under WikiProject Animal rights and the article may be also be stamped with:
There are some dog breeders, judges, and artists that fall under WikiProject Biography, only some of these are badged WPDOGS, and the article may be also be stamped with:
There are many veterinary articles that fall under WikiProject Veterinary medicine. These are usually also badged by the WikiProjects associated with the ailment, such as WikiProject viruses, WikiProject arthropods, WikiProject Microbiology, and if the condition also affects humans then Wikiproject Medicine. Sometimes these articles are also badged by WikiProject Animals, WP:Insects, WP:Biology, and WikiProject Science.
I propose that the following articles be de-badged from WPDOGS as these best fall under other Wikiprojects, that they be removed from the article patrol list as the page patrollers have enough to watch over with our priority articles, BUT we keep the current categories and their contents for any future reference. For your consideration are my suggested priorities:
Highest-priority: fictional dog characters in cartoons, animation, Anime, Manga, video games, puppets, plasticine. There are hundreds of these, and many more being added every year from producers around the world. It may be that members do not regard purple dog-like characters that speak human language and act similar to humans (anthropomorphic), or fly through the air without any apparatus, as being dogs for our scope. (Note: we are also talking about Walt Disney's "Goofy" and "Huckleberry Hound" here).
Middle priority: fictional dog characters in TV series, movies, and novels. Although these characters usually are dogs and behave similar to dogs, members may still regard them as fictional characters and not dogs for our scope. (Note: we are also talking about the novels "Lassie Come Home", "Old Yeller", and the TV series "The Adventures of Rin Tin Tin", and the series of movies about "Beethoven" here.)
Also, dog-like fictional characters in folklore, myth, legend, and the supernatural. Some of these are half snake-half dog, and some are vampires! However, some in legend may warrant keeping, such as when these are about a proper dog e.g. King Ulysses dog Argos (dog).
Lowest priority: Articles that fall under WikiProject Veterinary Science - perhaps these are best left to the veterinary and biology enthusiasts?
The shelters and pound articles that fall under WikiProject Animal rights - very few of these are badged WPDOGS. Perhaps these may, or may not, fall within our scope.
The biographies that fall under WikiProject Biography. Very few are badged WPDOGS.
I remind you that the deciding factor should be: As a member of WPDOGS, does this article fall under our present scope and would you be likely to work on this article at some stage? Conversely, if we remove these areas, will there be less attraction to the ranks of members because the scope is not wide enough? (We currently have 25 listed members, a few of which have not been active on Wikipedia for nearly a year, yet I know that there are people being helpful out on the dog and wolf pages who are not members.) We do not need to badge all of these articles on the basis that their subject matter may be related to dogs; that is the purpose of the 300
Wikipedia:Categorization categories which are co-badged by this project.
Additionally, an article might retain the WPDOGS badge but be removed from the current page patrol list. William Harris talk 11:32, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I agree that fictional and mythological pseudo-dogs should be removed from the project. I am less inclined to remove the shelter/welfare section because at least they deal with REAL dogs and real dog issues. Include dog breeders and judges; exclude dog artists (goes with the fictional versus real). For film, I would only include documentary-style films about dogs; nothing fictional, even if a real dog-actor is included. Some veterinary articles yes (such as rabies or any canine-related disorders/conditions).
I agree with your high- and mid-priority removal order.
I disagree that shelters are categorized mainly as 'animal rights'. If shelter=NoKill, then yes it would be part of animal rights, but shelters were not traditionally of that ilk and there has been a swing away from the hardcore animal rights accommodations. Debadging those wouldn't serve "dogs". Yes, there's a plethora of shelter articles that need AfDing, but the subject of sheltering is of interest to dogs.
Maybe by the time we get through debadging the high- and mid-priority subjects, the scope of WPDogs will be better understood and then one can revisit the idea of whether vet & shelter topics should be included or excluded. By getting rid of the 'fandom' doggie stuff, the project may actually attract authentic dog enthusiasts, professionals and experts.
— Normal Op ( talk) 18:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
The scope of WikiProject Dogs includes those articles contained within the Category:Canines and any other articles that directly relate to dogs, whether living or extinct. The scope excludes fictional dog or dog-like characters which appear in animated films, cartoons, comics, graphic novels, movies, novels, television, and video games. The scope also excludes dog or dog-like characters which appear in folklore, legend, myth, and the supernatural. The biographies of dog artists and veterinarians are also excluded.
Thanks for your input, this week's Editor of the Week!
This would be enough to get us underway, but I have just noticed a major issue on the WPDOGS main page that requires resolution:
So what is the difference? The canids includes 3 subfamilies of which 2 are extinct, leaving only the canines alive today. Does this project want to include in its scope those 2 extinct subfamilies of species which are also referred to as "dogs", or does it want to limit itself to the living canines - wolves, foxes, jackals, coyotes, the domestic dog, and their extinct DIRECT ancestors? William Harris (talk) 12:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
I agree on 3 grounds:
Therefore, I am going to change the Scope now and allow it to sit for several days to see what people think. After that, I shall begin the processing. We can sort out the 2 Categories at another time. William Harris (talk) 08:31, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
As a result of the amended scope, I have removed the Wikiproject Dogs banner from 636 articles. I have just run WP 1.0 bot and we now have a total of 3,226 articles and files badged as WPDOGS that is shown in Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Dogs articles by quality statistics.
I still doubt that the project needs to be covering dogs in reality TV shows, legal cases, pet food companies, animal shelters, articles covered by WikiProject Veterinary Medicine - is anyone here really going to do some work on Leptospirosis? - and the biographies of dog breeders, dog judges, and dog mushers because these are about people and not about dogs. However, this is my personal view that is challengeable, and so the amended scope will have to do for now. William Harris (talk) 11:13, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Dogsbite.org, other dog attack-related advocacy websites - discussion you may be interested in at WP:RSN. Atsme Talk 📧 21:05, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
The AfD was closed, challenged and reopened. Atsme Talk 📧 15:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2020 September 21#List of fatal dog attacks in the United States Atsme Talk 📧 01:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
I had a very productive discussion with Cthomas3, and wanted to share his response 2020-09-23. I do believe we should clean-up the BLP vios in that list, starting with the names of non-notable people, and all poorly sourced "circumstances" per WP:EXTRAORDINARY. For the sake of accuracy, the breed-types mentioned should be removed unless there is a corroborated & confirmed ID of the dog for the sake of accuracy. Atsme Talk 📧 20:36, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Please see discussion at Talk:Belgian Shepherd#Possible merger with variety pages, project members are invited to provide their thoughts. Cavalryman ( talk) 04:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC).
An formerly merged article of interest to the project— Tamaskan dog—has been proposed for splitting from Northern Inuit Dog. Project members are invited to participate at the split discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 21:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC).
The closer (Jo Jo Eurmerus) of the RVW of
List of fatal dog attacks in the United States upheld the NC close and stated: "Some people (including among the endorsers) here are observing that the article still has issues that might merit a RfC, though, and I don't see anyone here explicitly contradicting them."
At the article TP, I
quoted the CDC's limitations regarding the information they do and do not provide. The discussion is ongoing, and all project members are invited to provide input. No RfC has been called yet, so suggestions for how best to approach it are welcome.
Atsme
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The discrepancies between opinions of adoption agencies and identification by DNA analysis suggest that it would be worthwhile to reevaluate the reliability of breed identification as well as the justification of current public and private policies pertaining to specific dog breeds.
The American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior which states: identifying a dog's breed accurately is difficult, even for professionals, and visual recognition is known to not always be reliable.::* NCSU Abstract (pg 49):
According to a recent 13-year dog bite human fatality report, Pit-type dog breeds were the number one breed category responsible for fatal dog bites to humans (Dogbites.org, 2018). Thus, media presence could impact the way the public and veterinarian professionals view the breed. The CDC stopped collecting breed data in dog attack fatalities after 1998 since accurately identifying a dog’s breed based on visual recognition is not always reliable (Nolen, 2017).
Conclusion: The disparities between visual and DNA identification of the breed composition of dogs and the low agreement among people who identify dogs raise questions concerning the accuracy of databases which supply demographic data on dog breeds, as well as the justification and ability to implement laws and private restrictions pertaining to dogs based on breed composition.
Challenged claims that are supported purely by primary or self-published sources or those with an apparent conflict of interest;The sources used are questionable regarding dog breed and type. We do not include per WP:V. Some of the comments in the AfD and RVW supported this position. Perhaps this is an issue that needs wider community input at VPP? Atsme Talk 📧 08:54, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Reference Wikipedia:WikiProject Dogs main page - Article alerts. I have added several more categories so that members can be aware when these activities occur. Additionally, I have added the project's 77 templates to the recent changes list so that these too can now be patrolled. William Harris (talk) 08:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
I have almost completed a rewrite of the Belgian Shepherd, do project members feel it is worthy of Good Article nomination? Pinging Atsme & William Harris who have I know to have successfully herded (pun intended) articles through the process. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 23:41, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Might be of interest to the project. Atsme 💬 📧 13:51, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sabueso Cántabro. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 18:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I propose to amend the status of the dog breeds task force from semi-active to inactive, whilst the project is clearly active the task force is no longer. SMcCandlish very wisely merged the talked pages in November 2018 after a number of threads sat unanswered for years. I think we should remove the tab from the top of the project pages and have a simple link on the project main page. The recommended breed page structure can be moved to the main page which may result in greater adherence. Thoughts? Cavalryman ( talk) 23:40, 19 October 2020 (UTC).
An article of interest to the project— Gerberian Shepsky—has been proposed for merging with List of dog crossbreeds. Project members are invited to participate at the merger discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 21:50, 4 October 2020 (UTC).
Calling the listed members of the Dog Breeds Taskforce: Elf, hmwith, VanTucky, Coaster1983, Miyagawa, 07bargem, Canarian, SMcCandlish, and Atsme.
For the first time in over a year, a dog breed has been nominated as a Good Article Candidate. There exists a Wikipedia:WikiProject_Dogs/Dog breeds task force#Recommended article structure, which should be applied to this candidate. I ask that you review the recommended structure and discuss any proposed amendments here, if necessary. William Harris (talk) 09:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
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Revision proposal (minus editorial commentary):
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On reflection I broadly agree with Justlettersandnumbers in culling the above sections, I would however retain an optional notable dogs section for the likes of Dicken medalists etc and an optional legal and regulatory matter section. Further I feel training should be scrapped, training a dog is not breed specific but role specific and get rid of the dog sports section, any dog can compete in agility and tracking etc. Something like this:
Cut down version:
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Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 20:18, 26 October 2020 (UTC).
Two brand new editors seem to have cropped up at Africanis in the last few hours. What are project member’s thoughts on this as a source? Cavalryman ( talk) 22:14, 8 October 2020 (UTC).
Four articles of interest to the project— Groenendael dog, Laekenois dog, Malinois dog, and Tervuren dog—have been proposed for merging with Belgian Shepherd. Project members are invited to participate in the merger discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 22:54, 4 November 2020 (UTC).
Two articles of interest to the project— Anatolian Shepherd and Kangal Shepherd Dog—have been proposed for merging. Project members are invited to participate at the merger discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 09:56, 17 November 2020 (UTC).
New dog-article, feel free to improve if you like. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 22:01, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Btw, he's in an issue of Dogs Today [2]. If anyone has access, please use it if it's good for something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 22:10, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I recently made an article for Raymond Coppinger. He was an expert on dog domestication. The article is a work in progress. Feel free to assist! Thank you. Thriley ( talk) 17:36, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
United Kennel Clubs International ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion, project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 12:42, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
I was brought to Search and rescue dog by a suspected copyright violation, which I wasn't able to confirm; I removed the relevant content as unsourced and unencyclopaedic. The problem is, virtually everything else in the page has the same two characteristics. I'm inclined to simply remove any unsourced content, but that would leave only a minimal stub. Before I do, does anyone want to launch a search-and-rescue operation? Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 22:48, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
An article of interest to the project— Alpine Spaniel—has been proposed for merging with St. Bernard (dog). Project members are invited to participate at the merger discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 11:51, 1 December 2020 (UTC).
Teacup Dogs Agility Association ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion. Project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 15:37, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
The Geography of dog agility article that I have recently started editing contains a lot of red links to to the articles about Clubs and organizations that have not been written yet. I am new to wikipedia and would like to ask if it is ok to remove them from the article and place into the to do list for creation here in the Wikiproject. Thanks!-- LoraxJr 20:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
My suggestion is to keep
Notable for creating articles. Where should I put them? Is there a list for creation or talk page to add them to? Thank you! LoraxJr 02:01, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Agility Association of Canada ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion, project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 15:55, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
In Wikipedia, as in everyday conversation, I use the word "bitch" when talking about a female dog (just as I call a female horse a mare, a female chicken a hen, a female donkey a jenny and so on). On several occasions (e.g., here) this has been removed, often by new or IP editors. So: do we have any reason not to use this word in dog articles? I'm aware of course that the word can be used in other ways, some of them impolite if applied to people; but the same is true of many words relating to animals – ass (British usage), cow, dog, pig, worm etc. – but we don't seem to have any trouble using those. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 11:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
American Russell Terrier Club ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion, project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 03:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Please see discussion at Template talk:Infobox dog breed#Height & weight parameters. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 23:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC).
Now that the AKC has recognized Biewer I think the redirect should be restored back to an article. See discussion at: Talk:Biewer_Terrier#This_article_needs_to_be_restored. Sparkie82 ( t• c) 03:30, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
An article that been involved with ( Pet harness) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article ( Dog harness). If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark • sniff) 17:18, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Canine Performance Events ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion, project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 05:17, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
American Dog Breeders Association ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion, project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 04:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC).
I have noticed a concerted effort is being made to dual tag all of our breed pages marked {{
dog-stub}}
with the additional {{
mammal-stub}}
. Whilst dogs are mammals I am not sure it is productive to add an additional stub tag to the bottom for domestic breeds etc, further it contradicts the instructions at
Category:Mammal stubs, therefore I propose these tags be removed. What are project member’s thoughts? Courtesy ping to
Treekangaroosandlions 2.
Cavalryman (
talk)
03:02, 31 January 2021 (UTC).
Oh, whoops. I'm sorry about what I have done. You can remove all of them, it's fine. Treekangaroosandlions 2 ( talk) 16:22, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Seppala Siberian Sleddog ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion, project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 00:37, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
I have four stamps representing the Arubian Cunucu Dog breed. I would like to upload one or some of them to Wikimedia Commons, as it currently lacks a photo of the breed. However, I am not sure if it is legal to scan and upload a national stamp? Does anyone here know regulations about that? -- Canarian ( talk) 14:17, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi there. I’m hoping a member of this group can help out with a few changes I’ve proposed to improve the Freshpet article. Talk:Freshpet#Request Edits February 12 2021. I have a COI, so am unable to edit the article directly. Thanks! NJ0220 ( talk) 17:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I added a tab on our project's main page for our dog-related source guide, and also added a wikilink to it at the NPP source guide for Animals. I haven't updated any of it in a while, so please feel free to make any updates or changes that will provide improved criteria. Happy editing! Atsme 💬 📧 17:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
There is a need to split this article into the American Akita and the Japanese Akita, as per the 2 FCI Breed Standards. There has been much effort, and confusion, in maintaining the one article to cover the two separate breeds. William Harris (talk) 06:32, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
There have been a number of edits to navboxes over the last year or so adding lists of extinct dog breeds/types/varieties to both out national and type navboxes ( recent example). If we have these dogs covered in two navboxes, do we really need another to navbox to aid navigating between breeds/types/varieties whose only relationship to each other is their lack of continued existence?
What are project member's thoughts about:
Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 03:06, 24 February 2021 (UTC).
Template:Colombian dogs has been nominated for deletion. Project members are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 01:29, 9 March 2021 (UTC).
Template:AKC standard has been nominated for deletion. Project members are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 01:56, 9 March 2021 (UTC).
Cocker Spaniel, an article of interest to the project, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. Project members are invited to participate at the reassessment page. Cavalryman ( talk) 01:52, 28 March 2021 (UTC).
Our "flagship" article Dog has just failed GA again. (Of course it failed, its a mess, what was the nominator thinking). The comments are on the Talk page. For those who are interested, now is the time to start removing some of the fleas from the Dog article, using Talk:GA Review as a good reason in your edit summary. William Harris (talk) 21:49, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
I have completed the sections on Evolution/Domestication which match Part 1 (of 4 parts) in Serpell. William Harris (talk) 22:21, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
A number of Commons categories of possible interest to the project have been nominated for discussion, project members are invited to comment at c:Commons:Categories for discussion/2021/03/Category:Dog hybrids. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 06:43, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
An article of interest to the project— Purebred dog—has been proposed for merging with Dog breed. Project members are invited to participate at the merger discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 22:56, 5 April 2021 (UTC).
As some will no doubt have seen on the related changes log, there has been a bit activity at Template:Chinese dogs ( [9]). What are member's thoughts about splitting off the Tibetan breeds into a Template:Tibetan dogs? Whilst China has controlled Tibet since the 50s I tend to think a separate template may be warranted. Cavalryman ( talk) 04:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC).
There is some debate over whether Draft:Royal Sussex Hare Hound is a hoax article and I thought you guys would be the best judge of this. Is this a real breed? Liz Read! Talk! 04:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
I've raised a question about notability at Talk:Kratu (dog)#Notability. I'd welcome advice there from editors who are familiar with the subject. Thanks. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:27, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Category:Dogs articles needing expert attention has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Peaceray ( talk) 17:54, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi there. This submission about cavoodles has been sitting in WP:AfC for a long time. Can someone here take a look at it and advice on if it passes WP:GNG? I Googled cavoodles and they do have a lot of press coverage and coverage in reliable sources about dogs, but, it also appears to be a lot of WP:NOTNEWS stuff about a dog in Australia. I also see there are books about cavoodles. I just don't know what would qualify dog wise for inclusion. Here it is: Draft:Cavoodle. I encourage WP Dogs folks to just simply review it (accept/reject) or advise AfC project members. Thank you. Missvain ( talk) 18:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
An article of interest to the project— Bull and terrier—has been proposed for merging with Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Project members are invited to participate at the merger discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 10:50, 2 June 2021 (UTC).
Do we have a page on Working trials? I've not been able to find it. Our page on Sheepdog trials seems to suggest that that's a sport, but that's not my understanding – isn't a working trial (whether of herding, tracking, hunting or whatever) a test of ability in a working dog, and a pre-requisite to registration in many breeds? Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 21:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello, there is a discussion to merge the articles Bull and terrier with Staffordshire Bull Terrier. You are invited to participate . Blockhouse321 ( talk) 11:19, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
I suggest that Sheep dog article is either merged or deleted all together, as it lacks sources and does not have any information on the subject that is not presented in the Herding dog article. I am currently working on expanding it, will continue to do that. @ William Harris? @ Cavalryman? -- LoraxJr 15:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | Archive 14 | Archive 15 | Archive 16 |
A proposal to reduce the number of articles which in the past have been badged WPDOGS on their talk pages.
Calling 07bargem, User:4444hhhh, Coaster1983, Cyclonebiskit, Elf, Hutcher, Lisapollison, Miyagawa, R9tgokunks, SMcCandlish, The Cool Kat, VanTucky, Dougweller, Dinosaur Fan, Cavalryman V31, Gareth Griffith-Jones, User:Genegerbreader, Jamesjpk123, 7&6=thirteen, CanineCrew, Atsme, Puduḫepa, MarialeegRVT, Normal Op.
As stated on the main WPDOGS page: "The scope of this project includes those articles contained within the Category:Canines and any other articles that directly relate to dogs, whether living or extinct."
Following the link to this category will reveal a list of links to articles about something that can bite you! These articles are about wolves, dogs, coyotes, jackals, foxes etc. This is our base.
Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide advises: "The pages of a WikiProject are the central place for editor collaboration on a particular topic area. Editors there develop criteria, maintain various collaborative processes and keep track of work that needs to be done. It also provides a forum where issues of interest to the editors of a subject may be discussed."
Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Tagging pages with WikiProject banners advises: "Many WikiProjects use talk page banners to mark certain pages as within the scope of the WikiProject. This helps the WikiProjects to organize their progress improving pages within the project's scope......Consequently, pages should only be marked with WikiProject banners for projects that intend to support the tagged pages." [My bolding]
Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#WikiProjects define their scopes advises: "If an article is only tangentially related to the scope of a WikiProject, then please do not place that project's banner on the article. For example, washing toys for babies reduces transmission of some diseases, but the banners for WP:WikiProject Health and fitness, WP:WikiProject Biology, WP:WikiProject Viruses and/or WP:WikiProject Medicine do not need to be added to Talk:Toy."
In summary, WPDOGS gets to badge those articles that it intends to improve.
Back in December, we agreed on an Wikipedia:WikiProject Dogs/Assessment#Importance scale, which categorises the nearly 3,866 articles and files currently badged as belonging to WPDOGS.
Since then, all of the articles rated as Top, High, and Mid have been placed on our recent changes patrol list to be watched over. A list of 100 "suspect" dog articles from the Mid importance category in need of validation, deletion, or merging was compiled and this now sits on the top of this Talk page for working through. The 700 articles in these 3 categories should be accepted as being in-scope to WPDOGS because their subjects are capable of biting you!
There exists another 2,000 articles that are badged WPDOGS and rated at low importance. Most are not on the page patrol list. Some are extinct species and breeds, some are individual dogs, some are the cross-breeds, but the others were never able to bite you. These include dog-related articles on greyhound races and stadiums, dog show trails and events, dog leads and harnesses etc. I suggest that these particular groups are all in-scope.
Also among the 2,000 articles that are badged WPDOGS and rated at low importance are many articles on fictional dog characters in cartoons, animation, Anime, Manga, video games, puppets, plasticine, TV series, movies, and novels. These fall under other WikiProjects as the main owners (sometimes under several projects):
WikiProject Animation, WikiProject Disney, WikiProject Television, WikiProject Anime and manga, WikiProject Video games, WikiProject Film, WikiProject Fictional characters, WikiProject Comedy, WikiProject Novels, and WikiProject Children's literature.
The article may be also badged with one or more of the 300 categories that are co-badged by WPDOGS along with other WikiProjects:
There are also dog-like fictional characters in folklore, myth, legend, and the supernatural and these fall under other WikiProjects as the main owners (sometimes under more than one): WikiProject Folklore, WikiProject Mythology, and WikiProject Paranormal:
The article may be also stamped with the following categories:
There are some shelters and rescue organisations that fall under WikiProject Animal rights and the article may be also be stamped with:
There are some dog breeders, judges, and artists that fall under WikiProject Biography, only some of these are badged WPDOGS, and the article may be also be stamped with:
There are many veterinary articles that fall under WikiProject Veterinary medicine. These are usually also badged by the WikiProjects associated with the ailment, such as WikiProject viruses, WikiProject arthropods, WikiProject Microbiology, and if the condition also affects humans then Wikiproject Medicine. Sometimes these articles are also badged by WikiProject Animals, WP:Insects, WP:Biology, and WikiProject Science.
I propose that the following articles be de-badged from WPDOGS as these best fall under other Wikiprojects, that they be removed from the article patrol list as the page patrollers have enough to watch over with our priority articles, BUT we keep the current categories and their contents for any future reference. For your consideration are my suggested priorities:
Highest-priority: fictional dog characters in cartoons, animation, Anime, Manga, video games, puppets, plasticine. There are hundreds of these, and many more being added every year from producers around the world. It may be that members do not regard purple dog-like characters that speak human language and act similar to humans (anthropomorphic), or fly through the air without any apparatus, as being dogs for our scope. (Note: we are also talking about Walt Disney's "Goofy" and "Huckleberry Hound" here).
Middle priority: fictional dog characters in TV series, movies, and novels. Although these characters usually are dogs and behave similar to dogs, members may still regard them as fictional characters and not dogs for our scope. (Note: we are also talking about the novels "Lassie Come Home", "Old Yeller", and the TV series "The Adventures of Rin Tin Tin", and the series of movies about "Beethoven" here.)
Also, dog-like fictional characters in folklore, myth, legend, and the supernatural. Some of these are half snake-half dog, and some are vampires! However, some in legend may warrant keeping, such as when these are about a proper dog e.g. King Ulysses dog Argos (dog).
Lowest priority: Articles that fall under WikiProject Veterinary Science - perhaps these are best left to the veterinary and biology enthusiasts?
The shelters and pound articles that fall under WikiProject Animal rights - very few of these are badged WPDOGS. Perhaps these may, or may not, fall within our scope.
The biographies that fall under WikiProject Biography. Very few are badged WPDOGS.
I remind you that the deciding factor should be: As a member of WPDOGS, does this article fall under our present scope and would you be likely to work on this article at some stage? Conversely, if we remove these areas, will there be less attraction to the ranks of members because the scope is not wide enough? (We currently have 25 listed members, a few of which have not been active on Wikipedia for nearly a year, yet I know that there are people being helpful out on the dog and wolf pages who are not members.) We do not need to badge all of these articles on the basis that their subject matter may be related to dogs; that is the purpose of the 300
Wikipedia:Categorization categories which are co-badged by this project.
Additionally, an article might retain the WPDOGS badge but be removed from the current page patrol list. William Harris talk 11:32, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I agree that fictional and mythological pseudo-dogs should be removed from the project. I am less inclined to remove the shelter/welfare section because at least they deal with REAL dogs and real dog issues. Include dog breeders and judges; exclude dog artists (goes with the fictional versus real). For film, I would only include documentary-style films about dogs; nothing fictional, even if a real dog-actor is included. Some veterinary articles yes (such as rabies or any canine-related disorders/conditions).
I agree with your high- and mid-priority removal order.
I disagree that shelters are categorized mainly as 'animal rights'. If shelter=NoKill, then yes it would be part of animal rights, but shelters were not traditionally of that ilk and there has been a swing away from the hardcore animal rights accommodations. Debadging those wouldn't serve "dogs". Yes, there's a plethora of shelter articles that need AfDing, but the subject of sheltering is of interest to dogs.
Maybe by the time we get through debadging the high- and mid-priority subjects, the scope of WPDogs will be better understood and then one can revisit the idea of whether vet & shelter topics should be included or excluded. By getting rid of the 'fandom' doggie stuff, the project may actually attract authentic dog enthusiasts, professionals and experts.
— Normal Op ( talk) 18:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
The scope of WikiProject Dogs includes those articles contained within the Category:Canines and any other articles that directly relate to dogs, whether living or extinct. The scope excludes fictional dog or dog-like characters which appear in animated films, cartoons, comics, graphic novels, movies, novels, television, and video games. The scope also excludes dog or dog-like characters which appear in folklore, legend, myth, and the supernatural. The biographies of dog artists and veterinarians are also excluded.
Thanks for your input, this week's Editor of the Week!
This would be enough to get us underway, but I have just noticed a major issue on the WPDOGS main page that requires resolution:
So what is the difference? The canids includes 3 subfamilies of which 2 are extinct, leaving only the canines alive today. Does this project want to include in its scope those 2 extinct subfamilies of species which are also referred to as "dogs", or does it want to limit itself to the living canines - wolves, foxes, jackals, coyotes, the domestic dog, and their extinct DIRECT ancestors? William Harris (talk) 12:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
I agree on 3 grounds:
Therefore, I am going to change the Scope now and allow it to sit for several days to see what people think. After that, I shall begin the processing. We can sort out the 2 Categories at another time. William Harris (talk) 08:31, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
As a result of the amended scope, I have removed the Wikiproject Dogs banner from 636 articles. I have just run WP 1.0 bot and we now have a total of 3,226 articles and files badged as WPDOGS that is shown in Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Dogs articles by quality statistics.
I still doubt that the project needs to be covering dogs in reality TV shows, legal cases, pet food companies, animal shelters, articles covered by WikiProject Veterinary Medicine - is anyone here really going to do some work on Leptospirosis? - and the biographies of dog breeders, dog judges, and dog mushers because these are about people and not about dogs. However, this is my personal view that is challengeable, and so the amended scope will have to do for now. William Harris (talk) 11:13, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Dogsbite.org, other dog attack-related advocacy websites - discussion you may be interested in at WP:RSN. Atsme Talk 📧 21:05, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
The AfD was closed, challenged and reopened. Atsme Talk 📧 15:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2020 September 21#List of fatal dog attacks in the United States Atsme Talk 📧 01:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
I had a very productive discussion with Cthomas3, and wanted to share his response 2020-09-23. I do believe we should clean-up the BLP vios in that list, starting with the names of non-notable people, and all poorly sourced "circumstances" per WP:EXTRAORDINARY. For the sake of accuracy, the breed-types mentioned should be removed unless there is a corroborated & confirmed ID of the dog for the sake of accuracy. Atsme Talk 📧 20:36, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Please see discussion at Talk:Belgian Shepherd#Possible merger with variety pages, project members are invited to provide their thoughts. Cavalryman ( talk) 04:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC).
An formerly merged article of interest to the project— Tamaskan dog—has been proposed for splitting from Northern Inuit Dog. Project members are invited to participate at the split discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 21:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC).
The closer (Jo Jo Eurmerus) of the RVW of
List of fatal dog attacks in the United States upheld the NC close and stated: "Some people (including among the endorsers) here are observing that the article still has issues that might merit a RfC, though, and I don't see anyone here explicitly contradicting them."
At the article TP, I
quoted the CDC's limitations regarding the information they do and do not provide. The discussion is ongoing, and all project members are invited to provide input. No RfC has been called yet, so suggestions for how best to approach it are welcome.
Atsme
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The discrepancies between opinions of adoption agencies and identification by DNA analysis suggest that it would be worthwhile to reevaluate the reliability of breed identification as well as the justification of current public and private policies pertaining to specific dog breeds.
The American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior which states: identifying a dog's breed accurately is difficult, even for professionals, and visual recognition is known to not always be reliable.::* NCSU Abstract (pg 49):
According to a recent 13-year dog bite human fatality report, Pit-type dog breeds were the number one breed category responsible for fatal dog bites to humans (Dogbites.org, 2018). Thus, media presence could impact the way the public and veterinarian professionals view the breed. The CDC stopped collecting breed data in dog attack fatalities after 1998 since accurately identifying a dog’s breed based on visual recognition is not always reliable (Nolen, 2017).
Conclusion: The disparities between visual and DNA identification of the breed composition of dogs and the low agreement among people who identify dogs raise questions concerning the accuracy of databases which supply demographic data on dog breeds, as well as the justification and ability to implement laws and private restrictions pertaining to dogs based on breed composition.
Challenged claims that are supported purely by primary or self-published sources or those with an apparent conflict of interest;The sources used are questionable regarding dog breed and type. We do not include per WP:V. Some of the comments in the AfD and RVW supported this position. Perhaps this is an issue that needs wider community input at VPP? Atsme Talk 📧 08:54, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Reference Wikipedia:WikiProject Dogs main page - Article alerts. I have added several more categories so that members can be aware when these activities occur. Additionally, I have added the project's 77 templates to the recent changes list so that these too can now be patrolled. William Harris (talk) 08:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
I have almost completed a rewrite of the Belgian Shepherd, do project members feel it is worthy of Good Article nomination? Pinging Atsme & William Harris who have I know to have successfully herded (pun intended) articles through the process. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 23:41, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Might be of interest to the project. Atsme 💬 📧 13:51, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sabueso Cántabro. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 18:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I propose to amend the status of the dog breeds task force from semi-active to inactive, whilst the project is clearly active the task force is no longer. SMcCandlish very wisely merged the talked pages in November 2018 after a number of threads sat unanswered for years. I think we should remove the tab from the top of the project pages and have a simple link on the project main page. The recommended breed page structure can be moved to the main page which may result in greater adherence. Thoughts? Cavalryman ( talk) 23:40, 19 October 2020 (UTC).
An article of interest to the project— Gerberian Shepsky—has been proposed for merging with List of dog crossbreeds. Project members are invited to participate at the merger discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 21:50, 4 October 2020 (UTC).
Calling the listed members of the Dog Breeds Taskforce: Elf, hmwith, VanTucky, Coaster1983, Miyagawa, 07bargem, Canarian, SMcCandlish, and Atsme.
For the first time in over a year, a dog breed has been nominated as a Good Article Candidate. There exists a Wikipedia:WikiProject_Dogs/Dog breeds task force#Recommended article structure, which should be applied to this candidate. I ask that you review the recommended structure and discuss any proposed amendments here, if necessary. William Harris (talk) 09:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
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On reflection I broadly agree with Justlettersandnumbers in culling the above sections, I would however retain an optional notable dogs section for the likes of Dicken medalists etc and an optional legal and regulatory matter section. Further I feel training should be scrapped, training a dog is not breed specific but role specific and get rid of the dog sports section, any dog can compete in agility and tracking etc. Something like this:
Cut down version:
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Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 20:18, 26 October 2020 (UTC).
Two brand new editors seem to have cropped up at Africanis in the last few hours. What are project member’s thoughts on this as a source? Cavalryman ( talk) 22:14, 8 October 2020 (UTC).
Four articles of interest to the project— Groenendael dog, Laekenois dog, Malinois dog, and Tervuren dog—have been proposed for merging with Belgian Shepherd. Project members are invited to participate in the merger discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 22:54, 4 November 2020 (UTC).
Two articles of interest to the project— Anatolian Shepherd and Kangal Shepherd Dog—have been proposed for merging. Project members are invited to participate at the merger discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 09:56, 17 November 2020 (UTC).
New dog-article, feel free to improve if you like. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 22:01, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Btw, he's in an issue of Dogs Today [2]. If anyone has access, please use it if it's good for something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 22:10, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I recently made an article for Raymond Coppinger. He was an expert on dog domestication. The article is a work in progress. Feel free to assist! Thank you. Thriley ( talk) 17:36, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
United Kennel Clubs International ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion, project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 12:42, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
I was brought to Search and rescue dog by a suspected copyright violation, which I wasn't able to confirm; I removed the relevant content as unsourced and unencyclopaedic. The problem is, virtually everything else in the page has the same two characteristics. I'm inclined to simply remove any unsourced content, but that would leave only a minimal stub. Before I do, does anyone want to launch a search-and-rescue operation? Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 22:48, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
An article of interest to the project— Alpine Spaniel—has been proposed for merging with St. Bernard (dog). Project members are invited to participate at the merger discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 11:51, 1 December 2020 (UTC).
Teacup Dogs Agility Association ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion. Project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 15:37, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
The Geography of dog agility article that I have recently started editing contains a lot of red links to to the articles about Clubs and organizations that have not been written yet. I am new to wikipedia and would like to ask if it is ok to remove them from the article and place into the to do list for creation here in the Wikiproject. Thanks!-- LoraxJr 20:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
My suggestion is to keep
Notable for creating articles. Where should I put them? Is there a list for creation or talk page to add them to? Thank you! LoraxJr 02:01, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Agility Association of Canada ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion, project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 15:55, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
In Wikipedia, as in everyday conversation, I use the word "bitch" when talking about a female dog (just as I call a female horse a mare, a female chicken a hen, a female donkey a jenny and so on). On several occasions (e.g., here) this has been removed, often by new or IP editors. So: do we have any reason not to use this word in dog articles? I'm aware of course that the word can be used in other ways, some of them impolite if applied to people; but the same is true of many words relating to animals – ass (British usage), cow, dog, pig, worm etc. – but we don't seem to have any trouble using those. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 11:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
American Russell Terrier Club ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion, project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 03:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Please see discussion at Template talk:Infobox dog breed#Height & weight parameters. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 23:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC).
Now that the AKC has recognized Biewer I think the redirect should be restored back to an article. See discussion at: Talk:Biewer_Terrier#This_article_needs_to_be_restored. Sparkie82 ( t• c) 03:30, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
An article that been involved with ( Pet harness) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article ( Dog harness). If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark • sniff) 17:18, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Canine Performance Events ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion, project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 05:17, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
American Dog Breeders Association ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion, project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 04:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC).
I have noticed a concerted effort is being made to dual tag all of our breed pages marked {{
dog-stub}}
with the additional {{
mammal-stub}}
. Whilst dogs are mammals I am not sure it is productive to add an additional stub tag to the bottom for domestic breeds etc, further it contradicts the instructions at
Category:Mammal stubs, therefore I propose these tags be removed. What are project member’s thoughts? Courtesy ping to
Treekangaroosandlions 2.
Cavalryman (
talk)
03:02, 31 January 2021 (UTC).
Oh, whoops. I'm sorry about what I have done. You can remove all of them, it's fine. Treekangaroosandlions 2 ( talk) 16:22, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Seppala Siberian Sleddog ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion, project members are invited to comment at the article's entry at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 00:37, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
I have four stamps representing the Arubian Cunucu Dog breed. I would like to upload one or some of them to Wikimedia Commons, as it currently lacks a photo of the breed. However, I am not sure if it is legal to scan and upload a national stamp? Does anyone here know regulations about that? -- Canarian ( talk) 14:17, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi there. I’m hoping a member of this group can help out with a few changes I’ve proposed to improve the Freshpet article. Talk:Freshpet#Request Edits February 12 2021. I have a COI, so am unable to edit the article directly. Thanks! NJ0220 ( talk) 17:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I added a tab on our project's main page for our dog-related source guide, and also added a wikilink to it at the NPP source guide for Animals. I haven't updated any of it in a while, so please feel free to make any updates or changes that will provide improved criteria. Happy editing! Atsme 💬 📧 17:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
There is a need to split this article into the American Akita and the Japanese Akita, as per the 2 FCI Breed Standards. There has been much effort, and confusion, in maintaining the one article to cover the two separate breeds. William Harris (talk) 06:32, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
There have been a number of edits to navboxes over the last year or so adding lists of extinct dog breeds/types/varieties to both out national and type navboxes ( recent example). If we have these dogs covered in two navboxes, do we really need another to navbox to aid navigating between breeds/types/varieties whose only relationship to each other is their lack of continued existence?
What are project member's thoughts about:
Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 03:06, 24 February 2021 (UTC).
Template:Colombian dogs has been nominated for deletion. Project members are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 01:29, 9 March 2021 (UTC).
Template:AKC standard has been nominated for deletion. Project members are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 01:56, 9 March 2021 (UTC).
Cocker Spaniel, an article of interest to the project, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. Project members are invited to participate at the reassessment page. Cavalryman ( talk) 01:52, 28 March 2021 (UTC).
Our "flagship" article Dog has just failed GA again. (Of course it failed, its a mess, what was the nominator thinking). The comments are on the Talk page. For those who are interested, now is the time to start removing some of the fleas from the Dog article, using Talk:GA Review as a good reason in your edit summary. William Harris (talk) 21:49, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
I have completed the sections on Evolution/Domestication which match Part 1 (of 4 parts) in Serpell. William Harris (talk) 22:21, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
A number of Commons categories of possible interest to the project have been nominated for discussion, project members are invited to comment at c:Commons:Categories for discussion/2021/03/Category:Dog hybrids. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 06:43, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
An article of interest to the project— Purebred dog—has been proposed for merging with Dog breed. Project members are invited to participate at the merger discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 22:56, 5 April 2021 (UTC).
As some will no doubt have seen on the related changes log, there has been a bit activity at Template:Chinese dogs ( [9]). What are member's thoughts about splitting off the Tibetan breeds into a Template:Tibetan dogs? Whilst China has controlled Tibet since the 50s I tend to think a separate template may be warranted. Cavalryman ( talk) 04:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC).
There is some debate over whether Draft:Royal Sussex Hare Hound is a hoax article and I thought you guys would be the best judge of this. Is this a real breed? Liz Read! Talk! 04:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
I've raised a question about notability at Talk:Kratu (dog)#Notability. I'd welcome advice there from editors who are familiar with the subject. Thanks. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:27, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Category:Dogs articles needing expert attention has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Peaceray ( talk) 17:54, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi there. This submission about cavoodles has been sitting in WP:AfC for a long time. Can someone here take a look at it and advice on if it passes WP:GNG? I Googled cavoodles and they do have a lot of press coverage and coverage in reliable sources about dogs, but, it also appears to be a lot of WP:NOTNEWS stuff about a dog in Australia. I also see there are books about cavoodles. I just don't know what would qualify dog wise for inclusion. Here it is: Draft:Cavoodle. I encourage WP Dogs folks to just simply review it (accept/reject) or advise AfC project members. Thank you. Missvain ( talk) 18:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
An article of interest to the project— Bull and terrier—has been proposed for merging with Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Project members are invited to participate at the merger discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman ( talk) 10:50, 2 June 2021 (UTC).
Do we have a page on Working trials? I've not been able to find it. Our page on Sheepdog trials seems to suggest that that's a sport, but that's not my understanding – isn't a working trial (whether of herding, tracking, hunting or whatever) a test of ability in a working dog, and a pre-requisite to registration in many breeds? Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 21:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello, there is a discussion to merge the articles Bull and terrier with Staffordshire Bull Terrier. You are invited to participate . Blockhouse321 ( talk) 11:19, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
I suggest that Sheep dog article is either merged or deleted all together, as it lacks sources and does not have any information on the subject that is not presented in the Herding dog article. I am currently working on expanding it, will continue to do that. @ William Harris? @ Cavalryman? -- LoraxJr 15:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)