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I've asked this question on other forums and nobody has had an answer ...
I am specifically asking this question with regard to U.S. metropolitan areas but the question more broadly applies to any unofficial (i.e. not legally defined) entity. On articles which mention U.S. metro areas there seems to be a lot of inconsistency in terms of how these are referred to, which seems to reflect varying opinions among editors. Some editors tend to favor the common names for the metro areas (e.g. "Chicagoland" or "Greater Chicago") whereas others will tend to favor names used by some particular government entity, usually the MSA designations of the OMB (e.g. "Chicago-Joliet-Naperville"). The lack of consistency across articles is, at best, a little ugly, and, at worst, a little confusing for the uninitiated reader. I am not suggesting that one or the other name should not be mentioned in any particular article, just that there should be some consistency.
Has this been discussed somewhere? Has anybody proposed a particular policy?
Thanks.
-- Mcorazao ( talk) 22:15, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the recently posted list of popular city articles, the following articles are the ten most popular within this wikiproject – that are not currently an WP:FA – for the month of January:
All of these cities are arguably of global, world class importance. What would it take to raise all of these articles up to featured article standards?
Of course, Port-au-Prince isn't exactly a "global" or "world class" city, and is on the popularity list primarily due to the recent earthquake. However, I include it here more for inspirational reasons, to challenge Wikipedians to try to raise the standards of the article in honor of those that have fallen.
So, what do you say? WTF? ( talk) 19:38, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Have a look at the change lists. There's a small group of minor Canadian settlements in Saskatchewan that are repeatedly - daily - reassessed, flip-flopping class and importance ratings. One I've checked has no change history ... ! Anyone know what's going on? Is someone showing compulsive behaviour or is there a mad bot? Folks at 137 ( talk) 12:18, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Hey folks, a good while back I created a large batch of maps for US municipalites showing city boundaries within counties, such as the one that can be seen at File:Jefferson County Alabama Incorporated and Unincorporated areas Birmingham Highlighted.svg. Due to some objections in a few northeastern states these maps were not applied to all articles for US cities. A slow-moving effort to revamp these maps with more current data, as well as ideas to improve the maps stylistically, has been discussed here over the last several weeks.
Recently another editor has expressed dissatisfaction with the outline style maps and began replacing them with pushpin style maps; to their credit, they stopped doing so when someone objected but have been systematically adding a second, pushpin style map to various city articles. This has made me realize that I have recieved a fairly narrow range of input regarding the style of the maps, and I would greatly appreciate any input from this community as to a preferred solution as far as maps are concerned, and if there is any merit in continuing to develop the outline-style maps if the community decides they are inferior. Thank you, Sher eth 21:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Fully agreed. Can I just say though that File:Twin Cities Metro Area (13 County).png in my view would be perfect. Now if our infoboxes contain city census maps consistently in this color and quality in addition to the pin option in a clickable layout this would be perfect...Now if you click File:Jefferson County Alabama Incorporated and Unincorporated areas Birmingham Highlighted.svg you may see why I am concerned about quality. Now if we could reproduce the maps in the style of the Twin Cities one I think quality would much improve. Imagine the Birmingham, Alabama map in this style in full color and rendering. It would be a big improvement to US city articles in my view. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 07:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Compare these two. The top one looks professional and quality and the bottom one looks less so in my view and considerably less attractive. If we had a similar map for Mobile, Alabama and all other census areas this would look a lot better I think. If you are concerned about state county locator this could always be made as a window in the corner of the image like the pin map for Ulan-Ude. My ideal would be a similar map for every community like the Twin Cities one in full color coexisting alongside a standard pin map.. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery
As far as I'm concerned, I do not find much use for cramped municipal boundary maps that provide no other context. I do find the pushpin maps very useful as I am often more interested in the general location of the place than the specific boundaries. But that said, I see no reason the two types of maps could not co-exist. older ≠ wiser 19:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
{{ Golan Regional Council}} There has been a recent proposal to speedily delete the article about Gush Hispin on the grounds that it is unreferenced. However, it seems to me that this area is notable and many of the sources about it may be in Hebrew or Arabic. Going through the articles in the Template above, which include the towns in the "Gush Hispin" area, I've noticed that a lack of references in these articles is a very common problem. I believe I've just tagged more than half the articles in this Template with "unreferenced" or "nofootnotes." Could someone please help address this problem? Thanks, AFriedman (talk) 02:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I just wondered what the policy of this project was for settlements that fall within territories who's sovereignty is not widely accepted. The reason I ask is that I noticed that all references to Georgia were removed from articles dealing with cities in Abkhazia, who's status is disputed. I tried to insert a neutral statement into the articles on these settlements which stated that Abkhazia "was an autonomous republic of Georgia whose sovereignty is disputed", however all my edits were reverted, with the rational that "We don't need to discuss Abkhazia's status in every related article". I feel that it is important to mention the sovereign nation in which a city falls, and only mentioning Abkhazia isn't a WP:NPOV. The majority of these articles are stubs, so size clearly isn't an issue. Looking at cities in Kosovo, there seems to be a precedent for such a notice (see Dečani) for example. Considering that Kosovo has far more international recognition than Abkhazia (65 to 4) I would think that it would only be more important to mention that Abkazia is considered to be a part of Georgia by the majority of the world. Anyone have any thoughts on this? TDL ( talk) 19:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for starting a discussion on this - I reverted many of your additions because I felt that they were in fact unbalanced, because I think they are not very useful and because you hadn't proposed such a sweeping change on any of the article's talk pages.
Let me explain myself. Consider the Faroe Islands. They are uncontroversially part of Denmark. Yet this is not something discussed in articles about its settlements, not even in the article about the capital Tórshavn. I think this makes sense. The political situation of the Faroe Islands is made clear right in the introduction of the main article, and it would be cumbersome to discuss it in every related article. I think the same applies here, and even more so.
The problem is that it is hard or even impossible to give a short neutral characterisation of Abkhazia's status - instead the complete picture is given in the introduction of the main article Abkhazia. Including a run-down of this into every related article only results in weekly modifications by someone who wants to add or remove something - we don't want that I think. Consider your own version: it is not at all neutral to say that Abkhazia is an autonomous republic of Georgia, this exactly reflects one side's POV - Georgia's. sephia karta | dimmi 22:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Abkhazia's status is disputed. It considers itself to be an independent state, but this is recognised only by a few other countries. The Georgian government and most of the world's other states consider Abkhazia de jure a part of Georgia's territory. In Georgia's official subdivision it is an autonomous republic, whose government sits in exile in Tblisi.
Hmmm...well a brief look through these articles reveals that most seem to mention the settlements are "a commune of French Guiana, an overseas region and department of France". The Scottish articles only occasionally mention the UK. Personally, I feel that every settlement should mention which sovereign state they are located in, regardless of the degree of local autonomy, as I think that it does lead to confusion. However, I suspect that this would cause quite the dirt storm. Anyways, we seem to have come to an agreement so there's no point debating the issue further. The reason I proposed the change in phrasing was due the fact that there are some regions which don't control large swaths of the territory they claim for an independent state (see Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, State of Palestine when they made their declaration, even Abkhazia didn't control portions of their claimed territory until the war in 2008). However, you make a good point that control over a territory does not imply claims on sovereignty. We could mention both: "It is de facto an independent state which declared independence in 1992, but this is only recognized by a few ...". However, I'm not bothered either way, so if you prefer not to include this I'm fine with that. TDL ( talk) 23:30, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
I have propose merging all instances of "Category:Cities, towns and villages in COUNTRYNAME" to "Category:Settlements in COUNTRYNAME". 150 categories are included in this proposal.
If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the categories' entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:59, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
A series of discussions at CFD over the last few days have revealed a number of problems in the naming conventions of the top-level categories for inhabited human settlements.
The issues are too wide-ranging to be resolved in the format of a CFD discussion, so I have opened a centralised discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Categorising human settlements to try to find a consensus on how to proceed.
Your contributions will be welcome. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Since I did not get any response to my last query let me ask something more specific. There seems to be some increasing debates going on regarding how to name articles for conurbations/metropolitan areas. In some cases, of course, a conurbation is a legal entity designated by a central government (e.g. Greater London) and as such the name is obvious. In most cases, however, these are not legal entities and, while a government may publish demographic statistics for the conurbations, the names they choose do not necessarily reflect common names for the regions and often a given city may belong to more than one conurbation defined by the government (e.g. for Austin, Texas there is the Austin Urban Area, the Austin Metropolitan Statistical Area, the Austin Combined Statistical Area, and the Austin Economic Area; having more than one article on the conurbation, though, would be silly). So should government-designated names and definitions be used exclusively and, if so, how does one choose which one to use if there are overlapping definitions? And if no government recognizes a region which other reliable sources recognize as a major conurbation, should the article be created?
Can there be some standard guideline established regarding naming such articles so as to minimize the churn?
-- Mcorazao ( talk) 01:52, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
OK, for the sake of continuing to push this forward I created a straw man proposal for a guideline. I have posted it here. Please feel free to criticize at will ... -- Mcorazao ( talk) 01:39, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
I realize that on Wikipedia, we have a tendency to want to break things down into discreet, logical quantities. We enjoy clear guidelines that describe how to name an article, what categories articles should be placed in, what kind of content fits in an article, and so on. In my experience one of the most contentious types of debates that come up are naming guidelines; I have borne witness to (and participated in) extremely detailed and protracted debates on naming conventions for cities. I believe some of the lessons learned from that debate can be applied here.
The problem, as I see it, is not merely the diversity of sources and the lack of agreement among them. Concepts like municipal boundaries, MSA/CSAs as defined by the Census, county boundaries and so on are not universal by any means. Our understanding of a city and its boundaries as applied to Los Angeles and its suburbs does not necessarily apply to Paris and its suburbs due to differences in administrative structures and cultural context. To try and invent a guideline or a convention that would dictate how these articles are named, organized and categorized may prove to be a fruitless endeavor due to these inherent differences.
Even among US cities the problems abound. It is convenient to try and pick an "authoritative" source and choose to demarcate conurbations according to the MSA model, as they have well-defined boundaries found in a single, authoritative source. However this is forgetting that MSAs and CSAs are statistical rather than geopolitical entities and do not always reflect the reality of the situation. Phoenix metropolitan area, for example, relies far too heavily on the boundaries and definitions of the MSA as defined by the Census bureau, but this ignores the reality of the situation that two large and geographically diverse counties do not a conurbation make; the MSA contains numerous outlying cities that are most assuredly not a part of the "Valley of the Sun" refered to in the lede.
Naturally we do not want to have multiple articles on the same topic, but sometimes topics may have a fair amount of overlap while still covering separate topics. Greater Los Angeles Area and Los Angeles metropolitan area are not the same thing. While it is possible that the two might be merged into a single article there is no compelling reason to do so; the unecessary overlap between the two could be dealt with by exersizing some editorial discretion.
In summary : I understand the desire to have coherent and well-defined guidelines regarding conurbations, how to name them, and what they should cover. However, it appears to me that the very concept of a conurbation is sufficiently "fuzzy" and broad that to try and encapsulate it into an objective and non-arbitrary guideline may simply not be a feasible goal. I do hate to come across as saying that there is no solution and thus we should throw our hands up in defeat, but sometimes the best guideline is no guideline other than to follow some common sense. Sher eth 20:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
In the interests of getting wider feedback let me request a survey on
this proposal. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons. --
Mcorazao (
talk)
04:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
P.S. For the sake of clarity, please prepend your opinions with Support, Weak support, Oppose, or Weak oppose. Note that "Support" does not mean "release in its present form" but rather the guideline is generally acceptable though some refinements and minor debate may still be necessary. --
Mcorazao (
talk)
20:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I was asked to rephrase the request so let me try again.
Question: Do you support creating a guideline under WikiProject Cities that is similar to this one (with the proviso that some of the content may still need additional debate)? Please respond with Support, Weak support, Oppose, or Weak oppose as well as a brief explanation. -- Mcorazao ( talk) 22:04, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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Hello, I was wondering if I could get some help digging up some references on the Demographics of Stephens City, Virginia. I am working to get the article to Good Article status (and one day Featured) and that is one of the sections that needs extensive referencing. If someone could take a look and dig them up, I would be most greatful. Thanks... NeutralHomer • Talk • 11:20, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
What about creating pages for a list of major cities by altitude, longitude, and latitude, or incorporating this information in the city pages' info boxes? Could be handy, and I can't find it anywhere on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.229.36.41 ( talk • contribs)
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If anyone monitoring this page would kindly put {{ Greater Los Angeles Area}} on their watchlist i'm sure people interested in reading about this area would appreciate it. Thanks, Amerique dialectics 20:06, 4 July 2009 (UT
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I'm using DBPedia and I've found that the quality of rdf:type assignments to dbpedia-owl:City is really bad. For instance, DBpedia has Dresden as a city, but not Tokyo, London, Sao Paulo, New York City, or Manchester, New Hampshire. The DBpedia tell me that has to do with inconsistent use of infoboxes. Now some of those "cities" have ontological difficulties, for instance, both London and Tokyo are composite entities which have multiple "cities" and other sorts of municipalities in their boundaries -- however, there are a lot of places that are "cities" that aren't being recognized as such.
Anyhow, I need a good list of cities, and I've got pretty good data cleaning technology, so I'm inclined to merge with CC-BY data from Freebase to make myself a list. I'd be interested in pushing these changes back into WP, but that involves understanding exactly what I should be doing, not stepping on people's toes, and making sure that we're all cool about what "City" means. Personally I think that the vernacular concept of "City" is primary (The first picture of a "City" in Wikipedia's "City" entry is from Tokyo, which is technically a non-City) and that more specific legal definitions (which are specific to particular jurisdictions) should be secondary. For instance, in the U.S.A., the legal status of municipalities is defined by state law, so "CityInNewYork" and "TownInNewYork" are good concepts for precise reasoning, but, so far as most people are concerned, too granular.
Any thoughts?
Hi editors, your help is needed on the Shanghai article. User:BsBsBs removed several sourced statements [2] regarding Shanghai's population statistics in the lead introduction but insist on keeping a statement ("After Chongqing and Beijing, Shanghai is the third largest of the four direct-controlled municipalities of the People's Republic of China") in which he did not find a reference for, but insist "it doesn't need a reference, it is evident to anyone who knows math". And this has led to edit conflict on the article. See the Talk:Shanghai#Population. Likewise in the Beijing article, the user insist on keeping a statement in the lead and in the demographic section in which wasn't referenced [3]. I'm trying to avoid an edit war with BsBsBs. But your input and help is needed at these two articles. Thanks!-- TheLeopard ( talk) 18:04, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
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Consider Allison Township, Clinton County, Pennsylvania and whether it should have a cities template or not. Shouldn't the cities template be on cities of some minimum size, and not places like Allison Township, well below a thousand people? What do other editors think?-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 01:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
A well-meaning editor has been editing a lot of the larger city articles' Climate sections, first adding extra charts (most of which were removed) and now additional lines to the existing climate charts. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the additions. The most recent one involved adding the "sun hours" parameter to the climate chart using data collected by the Hong Kong Observatory from 1961-1990. I removed this from the Cleveland article (twice) citing that the data is largely outdated and shouldn't be included with the other data from NOAA and The Weather Channel since that comes from this decade (2001-2010). It's like meshing data from two different census reports and assuming the older one hasn't changed much (for reasons other than comparing them to show trends). It wouldn't surprise me if the sun hours from 1961-1990 are very close to what they are now, but unless we have recent data, there is no way to be sure and having data sets from two comepletely separate time periods like that on the same chart is an inaccurate presentation of data. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 01:54, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
A prolific and otherwise responsible editor has been going about Polish articles (I hope limited to there) adding "International relations" as a supersection title to "Twin towns" which he has changed to the American "Sister cities and twin towns" group category. Cities do not conduct "international relations." Nations do. This is not a recognized subsection title in any outline that I have run across. I would like to see this process stopped. He is extremely prolific and I cannot easily scan his contributions to find out what he has done exactly! (Maybe he's a bot! :) Student7 ( talk) 17:53, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
The Children's garden has been a wonderful feature on the water front for a good many years. Many children and their parents or teachers visit and enjoy this faciltiy. I think that more details need to be added about this feature in the article about Camden. Lorraine Kiefer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.151.13 ( talk) 00:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a controversy at talk:Tokyo#Definiton of 'city'. The article is currently specifically about the prefecture. A user is insisting the article should be about the "city" and not specifically about the prefecture. Other knowledgeable opinions might be helpful. -- Rick Block ( talk) 04:20, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
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FYI, there is an effort to create a WikiProject for the city in England, under the name "WikiProject Birmingham", see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Birmingham. 76.66.193.224 ( talk) 01:50, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
A user wants to add a second climate chart template to the right of an article that is already using {{ Infobox weather}} at the bottom of the same section (see Richmond, Virginia). The data in both is the same, it's just presented in different ways. It's really horribly redundant, not to mention the fact that using two templates in an article instead of just one adds contributes to slowing an article's download times unnecessarily. The discussion is at Talk:Richmond, Virginia#climate chart. WTF? ( talk) 03:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Input is requested at Template talk:Infobox weather#Green precipitation and rain. Thanks. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 05:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
There is a dispute about the definition of the NY metro area that would benefit from additional input here: Talk:New York metropolitan area#New York metropolitan area composition. NYCRuss ☎ 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi All. User:The Universe Is Cool has gone on a sweep of several articles replacing prose content on race and ethnicity into bullet list form. I believe this is in contrast to general practice and the Manual of Style's recommendation that content be presented as prose whenever possible. However, I wanted to bring this issue up for discussion here in order to arrive at some sort of consensus. Best, epicAdam( talk) 16:24, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand what is wrong with my way of formatting the data. I've seen it before, but now it's all wrong? What the hell? It's easier to read bullet lists than it is to read a paragraphs. I love editing demography sections and now my way of formatting is "wrong". This is BS. The Universe Is Cool ( talk) 17:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC)The Universe Is Cool
Is it a must for a capital city to be defined by a law or a statute? Can it simply be a matter of conventions, especially under English common law traditions? 112.118.163.236 ( talk) 20:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
I have nominated Kent, Ohio as a Good article. Anyone who is able to review and assess the article would be much appreciated! The process can begin here. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 20:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
At both of the recent FAC reviews for the current city articles, Kent, Ohio and Stephens City, Virginia the issue of the use of city seals has been brought up. Both times concern has been expressed that if the seal is copyrighted, it does not meet WP:NFCC. Obviously having the seal is not required for a city article, but it seems like making a consistent policy would be in order (like either they are a necessary part ot not) since it will come up at FAC. My personal opinion is that since a city seal is usually quite visible on various signs, buildings, and other items in a given city, having it in the article could be defended with a rationale as an element of the city rather than simply as decorating the infobox. Of course many seals aren't copyrighted, but still. What do others think?
-- JonRidinger ( talk) 04:13, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Is there guidance available on defining the scope of an article? Should an article on a city scrupulously avoid mentioning anything outside the city limits, or is there room for suburban elements to be incorporated where they have a strong association with the city proper? Powers T 19:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Wegman's does not sound significant to Rochester if the headquarters is in another community and only one grocery store is left in the city. An in general, we do a service for the readers who come to the Rochester article by writing about things and people that are related to the city of Rochester and not adding to their confusion. B&L and Xerox are examples of businesses in the city (I assume) that are significant and are the kind of ones that should be included. -- Beirne ( talk) 00:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
OK, what do you want to say about Wegmans in the Rochester article? With the HQ in Gates and one store in the city, there does not seem to be much of a relationship between Wegmans and the city. -- Beirne ( talk) 20:59, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
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I've asked this question on other forums and nobody has had an answer ...
I am specifically asking this question with regard to U.S. metropolitan areas but the question more broadly applies to any unofficial (i.e. not legally defined) entity. On articles which mention U.S. metro areas there seems to be a lot of inconsistency in terms of how these are referred to, which seems to reflect varying opinions among editors. Some editors tend to favor the common names for the metro areas (e.g. "Chicagoland" or "Greater Chicago") whereas others will tend to favor names used by some particular government entity, usually the MSA designations of the OMB (e.g. "Chicago-Joliet-Naperville"). The lack of consistency across articles is, at best, a little ugly, and, at worst, a little confusing for the uninitiated reader. I am not suggesting that one or the other name should not be mentioned in any particular article, just that there should be some consistency.
Has this been discussed somewhere? Has anybody proposed a particular policy?
Thanks.
-- Mcorazao ( talk) 22:15, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the recently posted list of popular city articles, the following articles are the ten most popular within this wikiproject – that are not currently an WP:FA – for the month of January:
All of these cities are arguably of global, world class importance. What would it take to raise all of these articles up to featured article standards?
Of course, Port-au-Prince isn't exactly a "global" or "world class" city, and is on the popularity list primarily due to the recent earthquake. However, I include it here more for inspirational reasons, to challenge Wikipedians to try to raise the standards of the article in honor of those that have fallen.
So, what do you say? WTF? ( talk) 19:38, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Have a look at the change lists. There's a small group of minor Canadian settlements in Saskatchewan that are repeatedly - daily - reassessed, flip-flopping class and importance ratings. One I've checked has no change history ... ! Anyone know what's going on? Is someone showing compulsive behaviour or is there a mad bot? Folks at 137 ( talk) 12:18, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Hey folks, a good while back I created a large batch of maps for US municipalites showing city boundaries within counties, such as the one that can be seen at File:Jefferson County Alabama Incorporated and Unincorporated areas Birmingham Highlighted.svg. Due to some objections in a few northeastern states these maps were not applied to all articles for US cities. A slow-moving effort to revamp these maps with more current data, as well as ideas to improve the maps stylistically, has been discussed here over the last several weeks.
Recently another editor has expressed dissatisfaction with the outline style maps and began replacing them with pushpin style maps; to their credit, they stopped doing so when someone objected but have been systematically adding a second, pushpin style map to various city articles. This has made me realize that I have recieved a fairly narrow range of input regarding the style of the maps, and I would greatly appreciate any input from this community as to a preferred solution as far as maps are concerned, and if there is any merit in continuing to develop the outline-style maps if the community decides they are inferior. Thank you, Sher eth 21:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Fully agreed. Can I just say though that File:Twin Cities Metro Area (13 County).png in my view would be perfect. Now if our infoboxes contain city census maps consistently in this color and quality in addition to the pin option in a clickable layout this would be perfect...Now if you click File:Jefferson County Alabama Incorporated and Unincorporated areas Birmingham Highlighted.svg you may see why I am concerned about quality. Now if we could reproduce the maps in the style of the Twin Cities one I think quality would much improve. Imagine the Birmingham, Alabama map in this style in full color and rendering. It would be a big improvement to US city articles in my view. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 07:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Compare these two. The top one looks professional and quality and the bottom one looks less so in my view and considerably less attractive. If we had a similar map for Mobile, Alabama and all other census areas this would look a lot better I think. If you are concerned about state county locator this could always be made as a window in the corner of the image like the pin map for Ulan-Ude. My ideal would be a similar map for every community like the Twin Cities one in full color coexisting alongside a standard pin map.. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery
As far as I'm concerned, I do not find much use for cramped municipal boundary maps that provide no other context. I do find the pushpin maps very useful as I am often more interested in the general location of the place than the specific boundaries. But that said, I see no reason the two types of maps could not co-exist. older ≠ wiser 19:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
{{ Golan Regional Council}} There has been a recent proposal to speedily delete the article about Gush Hispin on the grounds that it is unreferenced. However, it seems to me that this area is notable and many of the sources about it may be in Hebrew or Arabic. Going through the articles in the Template above, which include the towns in the "Gush Hispin" area, I've noticed that a lack of references in these articles is a very common problem. I believe I've just tagged more than half the articles in this Template with "unreferenced" or "nofootnotes." Could someone please help address this problem? Thanks, AFriedman (talk) 02:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I just wondered what the policy of this project was for settlements that fall within territories who's sovereignty is not widely accepted. The reason I ask is that I noticed that all references to Georgia were removed from articles dealing with cities in Abkhazia, who's status is disputed. I tried to insert a neutral statement into the articles on these settlements which stated that Abkhazia "was an autonomous republic of Georgia whose sovereignty is disputed", however all my edits were reverted, with the rational that "We don't need to discuss Abkhazia's status in every related article". I feel that it is important to mention the sovereign nation in which a city falls, and only mentioning Abkhazia isn't a WP:NPOV. The majority of these articles are stubs, so size clearly isn't an issue. Looking at cities in Kosovo, there seems to be a precedent for such a notice (see Dečani) for example. Considering that Kosovo has far more international recognition than Abkhazia (65 to 4) I would think that it would only be more important to mention that Abkazia is considered to be a part of Georgia by the majority of the world. Anyone have any thoughts on this? TDL ( talk) 19:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for starting a discussion on this - I reverted many of your additions because I felt that they were in fact unbalanced, because I think they are not very useful and because you hadn't proposed such a sweeping change on any of the article's talk pages.
Let me explain myself. Consider the Faroe Islands. They are uncontroversially part of Denmark. Yet this is not something discussed in articles about its settlements, not even in the article about the capital Tórshavn. I think this makes sense. The political situation of the Faroe Islands is made clear right in the introduction of the main article, and it would be cumbersome to discuss it in every related article. I think the same applies here, and even more so.
The problem is that it is hard or even impossible to give a short neutral characterisation of Abkhazia's status - instead the complete picture is given in the introduction of the main article Abkhazia. Including a run-down of this into every related article only results in weekly modifications by someone who wants to add or remove something - we don't want that I think. Consider your own version: it is not at all neutral to say that Abkhazia is an autonomous republic of Georgia, this exactly reflects one side's POV - Georgia's. sephia karta | dimmi 22:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Abkhazia's status is disputed. It considers itself to be an independent state, but this is recognised only by a few other countries. The Georgian government and most of the world's other states consider Abkhazia de jure a part of Georgia's territory. In Georgia's official subdivision it is an autonomous republic, whose government sits in exile in Tblisi.
Hmmm...well a brief look through these articles reveals that most seem to mention the settlements are "a commune of French Guiana, an overseas region and department of France". The Scottish articles only occasionally mention the UK. Personally, I feel that every settlement should mention which sovereign state they are located in, regardless of the degree of local autonomy, as I think that it does lead to confusion. However, I suspect that this would cause quite the dirt storm. Anyways, we seem to have come to an agreement so there's no point debating the issue further. The reason I proposed the change in phrasing was due the fact that there are some regions which don't control large swaths of the territory they claim for an independent state (see Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, State of Palestine when they made their declaration, even Abkhazia didn't control portions of their claimed territory until the war in 2008). However, you make a good point that control over a territory does not imply claims on sovereignty. We could mention both: "It is de facto an independent state which declared independence in 1992, but this is only recognized by a few ...". However, I'm not bothered either way, so if you prefer not to include this I'm fine with that. TDL ( talk) 23:30, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
I have propose merging all instances of "Category:Cities, towns and villages in COUNTRYNAME" to "Category:Settlements in COUNTRYNAME". 150 categories are included in this proposal.
If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the categories' entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:59, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
A series of discussions at CFD over the last few days have revealed a number of problems in the naming conventions of the top-level categories for inhabited human settlements.
The issues are too wide-ranging to be resolved in the format of a CFD discussion, so I have opened a centralised discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Categorising human settlements to try to find a consensus on how to proceed.
Your contributions will be welcome. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Since I did not get any response to my last query let me ask something more specific. There seems to be some increasing debates going on regarding how to name articles for conurbations/metropolitan areas. In some cases, of course, a conurbation is a legal entity designated by a central government (e.g. Greater London) and as such the name is obvious. In most cases, however, these are not legal entities and, while a government may publish demographic statistics for the conurbations, the names they choose do not necessarily reflect common names for the regions and often a given city may belong to more than one conurbation defined by the government (e.g. for Austin, Texas there is the Austin Urban Area, the Austin Metropolitan Statistical Area, the Austin Combined Statistical Area, and the Austin Economic Area; having more than one article on the conurbation, though, would be silly). So should government-designated names and definitions be used exclusively and, if so, how does one choose which one to use if there are overlapping definitions? And if no government recognizes a region which other reliable sources recognize as a major conurbation, should the article be created?
Can there be some standard guideline established regarding naming such articles so as to minimize the churn?
-- Mcorazao ( talk) 01:52, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
OK, for the sake of continuing to push this forward I created a straw man proposal for a guideline. I have posted it here. Please feel free to criticize at will ... -- Mcorazao ( talk) 01:39, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
I realize that on Wikipedia, we have a tendency to want to break things down into discreet, logical quantities. We enjoy clear guidelines that describe how to name an article, what categories articles should be placed in, what kind of content fits in an article, and so on. In my experience one of the most contentious types of debates that come up are naming guidelines; I have borne witness to (and participated in) extremely detailed and protracted debates on naming conventions for cities. I believe some of the lessons learned from that debate can be applied here.
The problem, as I see it, is not merely the diversity of sources and the lack of agreement among them. Concepts like municipal boundaries, MSA/CSAs as defined by the Census, county boundaries and so on are not universal by any means. Our understanding of a city and its boundaries as applied to Los Angeles and its suburbs does not necessarily apply to Paris and its suburbs due to differences in administrative structures and cultural context. To try and invent a guideline or a convention that would dictate how these articles are named, organized and categorized may prove to be a fruitless endeavor due to these inherent differences.
Even among US cities the problems abound. It is convenient to try and pick an "authoritative" source and choose to demarcate conurbations according to the MSA model, as they have well-defined boundaries found in a single, authoritative source. However this is forgetting that MSAs and CSAs are statistical rather than geopolitical entities and do not always reflect the reality of the situation. Phoenix metropolitan area, for example, relies far too heavily on the boundaries and definitions of the MSA as defined by the Census bureau, but this ignores the reality of the situation that two large and geographically diverse counties do not a conurbation make; the MSA contains numerous outlying cities that are most assuredly not a part of the "Valley of the Sun" refered to in the lede.
Naturally we do not want to have multiple articles on the same topic, but sometimes topics may have a fair amount of overlap while still covering separate topics. Greater Los Angeles Area and Los Angeles metropolitan area are not the same thing. While it is possible that the two might be merged into a single article there is no compelling reason to do so; the unecessary overlap between the two could be dealt with by exersizing some editorial discretion.
In summary : I understand the desire to have coherent and well-defined guidelines regarding conurbations, how to name them, and what they should cover. However, it appears to me that the very concept of a conurbation is sufficiently "fuzzy" and broad that to try and encapsulate it into an objective and non-arbitrary guideline may simply not be a feasible goal. I do hate to come across as saying that there is no solution and thus we should throw our hands up in defeat, but sometimes the best guideline is no guideline other than to follow some common sense. Sher eth 20:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
In the interests of getting wider feedback let me request a survey on
this proposal. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons. --
Mcorazao (
talk)
04:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
P.S. For the sake of clarity, please prepend your opinions with Support, Weak support, Oppose, or Weak oppose. Note that "Support" does not mean "release in its present form" but rather the guideline is generally acceptable though some refinements and minor debate may still be necessary. --
Mcorazao (
talk)
20:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I was asked to rephrase the request so let me try again.
Question: Do you support creating a guideline under WikiProject Cities that is similar to this one (with the proviso that some of the content may still need additional debate)? Please respond with Support, Weak support, Oppose, or Weak oppose as well as a brief explanation. -- Mcorazao ( talk) 22:04, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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Hello, I was wondering if I could get some help digging up some references on the Demographics of Stephens City, Virginia. I am working to get the article to Good Article status (and one day Featured) and that is one of the sections that needs extensive referencing. If someone could take a look and dig them up, I would be most greatful. Thanks... NeutralHomer • Talk • 11:20, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
What about creating pages for a list of major cities by altitude, longitude, and latitude, or incorporating this information in the city pages' info boxes? Could be handy, and I can't find it anywhere on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.229.36.41 ( talk • contribs)
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I'm using DBPedia and I've found that the quality of rdf:type assignments to dbpedia-owl:City is really bad. For instance, DBpedia has Dresden as a city, but not Tokyo, London, Sao Paulo, New York City, or Manchester, New Hampshire. The DBpedia tell me that has to do with inconsistent use of infoboxes. Now some of those "cities" have ontological difficulties, for instance, both London and Tokyo are composite entities which have multiple "cities" and other sorts of municipalities in their boundaries -- however, there are a lot of places that are "cities" that aren't being recognized as such.
Anyhow, I need a good list of cities, and I've got pretty good data cleaning technology, so I'm inclined to merge with CC-BY data from Freebase to make myself a list. I'd be interested in pushing these changes back into WP, but that involves understanding exactly what I should be doing, not stepping on people's toes, and making sure that we're all cool about what "City" means. Personally I think that the vernacular concept of "City" is primary (The first picture of a "City" in Wikipedia's "City" entry is from Tokyo, which is technically a non-City) and that more specific legal definitions (which are specific to particular jurisdictions) should be secondary. For instance, in the U.S.A., the legal status of municipalities is defined by state law, so "CityInNewYork" and "TownInNewYork" are good concepts for precise reasoning, but, so far as most people are concerned, too granular.
Any thoughts?
Hi editors, your help is needed on the Shanghai article. User:BsBsBs removed several sourced statements [2] regarding Shanghai's population statistics in the lead introduction but insist on keeping a statement ("After Chongqing and Beijing, Shanghai is the third largest of the four direct-controlled municipalities of the People's Republic of China") in which he did not find a reference for, but insist "it doesn't need a reference, it is evident to anyone who knows math". And this has led to edit conflict on the article. See the Talk:Shanghai#Population. Likewise in the Beijing article, the user insist on keeping a statement in the lead and in the demographic section in which wasn't referenced [3]. I'm trying to avoid an edit war with BsBsBs. But your input and help is needed at these two articles. Thanks!-- TheLeopard ( talk) 18:04, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
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Consider Allison Township, Clinton County, Pennsylvania and whether it should have a cities template or not. Shouldn't the cities template be on cities of some minimum size, and not places like Allison Township, well below a thousand people? What do other editors think?-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 01:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
A well-meaning editor has been editing a lot of the larger city articles' Climate sections, first adding extra charts (most of which were removed) and now additional lines to the existing climate charts. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the additions. The most recent one involved adding the "sun hours" parameter to the climate chart using data collected by the Hong Kong Observatory from 1961-1990. I removed this from the Cleveland article (twice) citing that the data is largely outdated and shouldn't be included with the other data from NOAA and The Weather Channel since that comes from this decade (2001-2010). It's like meshing data from two different census reports and assuming the older one hasn't changed much (for reasons other than comparing them to show trends). It wouldn't surprise me if the sun hours from 1961-1990 are very close to what they are now, but unless we have recent data, there is no way to be sure and having data sets from two comepletely separate time periods like that on the same chart is an inaccurate presentation of data. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 01:54, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
A prolific and otherwise responsible editor has been going about Polish articles (I hope limited to there) adding "International relations" as a supersection title to "Twin towns" which he has changed to the American "Sister cities and twin towns" group category. Cities do not conduct "international relations." Nations do. This is not a recognized subsection title in any outline that I have run across. I would like to see this process stopped. He is extremely prolific and I cannot easily scan his contributions to find out what he has done exactly! (Maybe he's a bot! :) Student7 ( talk) 17:53, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
The Children's garden has been a wonderful feature on the water front for a good many years. Many children and their parents or teachers visit and enjoy this faciltiy. I think that more details need to be added about this feature in the article about Camden. Lorraine Kiefer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.151.13 ( talk) 00:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a controversy at talk:Tokyo#Definiton of 'city'. The article is currently specifically about the prefecture. A user is insisting the article should be about the "city" and not specifically about the prefecture. Other knowledgeable opinions might be helpful. -- Rick Block ( talk) 04:20, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
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FYI, there is an effort to create a WikiProject for the city in England, under the name "WikiProject Birmingham", see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Birmingham. 76.66.193.224 ( talk) 01:50, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
A user wants to add a second climate chart template to the right of an article that is already using {{ Infobox weather}} at the bottom of the same section (see Richmond, Virginia). The data in both is the same, it's just presented in different ways. It's really horribly redundant, not to mention the fact that using two templates in an article instead of just one adds contributes to slowing an article's download times unnecessarily. The discussion is at Talk:Richmond, Virginia#climate chart. WTF? ( talk) 03:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Input is requested at Template talk:Infobox weather#Green precipitation and rain. Thanks. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 05:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
There is a dispute about the definition of the NY metro area that would benefit from additional input here: Talk:New York metropolitan area#New York metropolitan area composition. NYCRuss ☎ 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi All. User:The Universe Is Cool has gone on a sweep of several articles replacing prose content on race and ethnicity into bullet list form. I believe this is in contrast to general practice and the Manual of Style's recommendation that content be presented as prose whenever possible. However, I wanted to bring this issue up for discussion here in order to arrive at some sort of consensus. Best, epicAdam( talk) 16:24, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand what is wrong with my way of formatting the data. I've seen it before, but now it's all wrong? What the hell? It's easier to read bullet lists than it is to read a paragraphs. I love editing demography sections and now my way of formatting is "wrong". This is BS. The Universe Is Cool ( talk) 17:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC)The Universe Is Cool
Is it a must for a capital city to be defined by a law or a statute? Can it simply be a matter of conventions, especially under English common law traditions? 112.118.163.236 ( talk) 20:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
I have nominated Kent, Ohio as a Good article. Anyone who is able to review and assess the article would be much appreciated! The process can begin here. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 20:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
At both of the recent FAC reviews for the current city articles, Kent, Ohio and Stephens City, Virginia the issue of the use of city seals has been brought up. Both times concern has been expressed that if the seal is copyrighted, it does not meet WP:NFCC. Obviously having the seal is not required for a city article, but it seems like making a consistent policy would be in order (like either they are a necessary part ot not) since it will come up at FAC. My personal opinion is that since a city seal is usually quite visible on various signs, buildings, and other items in a given city, having it in the article could be defended with a rationale as an element of the city rather than simply as decorating the infobox. Of course many seals aren't copyrighted, but still. What do others think?
-- JonRidinger ( talk) 04:13, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Is there guidance available on defining the scope of an article? Should an article on a city scrupulously avoid mentioning anything outside the city limits, or is there room for suburban elements to be incorporated where they have a strong association with the city proper? Powers T 19:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Wegman's does not sound significant to Rochester if the headquarters is in another community and only one grocery store is left in the city. An in general, we do a service for the readers who come to the Rochester article by writing about things and people that are related to the city of Rochester and not adding to their confusion. B&L and Xerox are examples of businesses in the city (I assume) that are significant and are the kind of ones that should be included. -- Beirne ( talk) 00:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
OK, what do you want to say about Wegmans in the Rochester article? With the HQ in Gates and one store in the city, there does not seem to be much of a relationship between Wegmans and the city. -- Beirne ( talk) 20:59, 27 July 2010 (UTC)