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An MOS for the Boxing project can be found here and is, I think, ready to be put on the main Project page. It has been long overdue and follows the MOS for MMA as a guide. Final call for comments - I hope it can be put up in a weeks time. Peter Rehse ( talk) 17:18, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
I fully support Mac Dreamstate's MOS proposal. GoodDay ( talk) 02:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Comment: ya'll should merge Wikipedia:WikiProject Boxing/Style and Wikipedia:WikiProject Boxing/MOSGuidelines NE Ent 00:22, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Are we still waiting on the flags thing to play out? Let's just bypass it for now and remove it from the MOS later if need be. Flags are only one isolated part of the MOS, namely the record table, so there really needs to be feedback on the rest of it. I'm also talking things like presentation: WP:PW/MOS looks nice and attractive compared to the rather plain and bloated boxing one that's on hold now, whilst WP:MOSALBUM looks plain and to-the-point (the way I prefer things to be). There's only so much I can cook up myself, so advise me, people:
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for multiple repeating content within Opponent, Location and Notes – yes or no?Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 23:05, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
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for multiple repeating content within Opponent, Location and Notes – yes or no?No, I personally think every fight in a boxing record should stand on their own. (even if that means to repeat the content)
Yes.
No, I believe jury decisions to be more important than fight dates.
Yes, it's easier for readers to identify the country than abbreviations.
All the best luck. You worked really hard, hope it gets approved. Later will continue discuss about flag icons.-- Fallengrademan ( talk) 20:51, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Updates and near-final tweaks:
Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 14:05, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
I wouldn't know where to start on this, but I wholeheartedly believe we need an article for this event. It is one of the biggest fights to have happened in the UK for years, if not decades; two world titles were on the line; it was a well-documented grudge match between two boxers who had a lot to say; the whole event ("80,000 at Wembley!", yada yada) is still talked about whenever Froch or Groves is the subject; and it was broadcast to U.S. audiences as well. I've been tempted to just go ahead and create the article, but then I'm always held back on one thing which every other fight article seems to have—an official poster. How does one acquire those for WP? If I get a tip on that, I might try to make at least the beginnings of an article. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 03:12, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Greetings. There is a draft over at AfC, Draft:Oktay Takalak. I am unsure if this meets your notability criteria. Could someone please take a look and let me know your thoughts? Thanks. Article needs work (being written by someone who I think their first language is not English), but I think it can be easily fixed, if it meets notability criteria. Please ping me if you respond (either here or on the draft). Onel5969 TT me 12:28, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
My first choice would be to eliminate the location column & just have the opponents, date of bout, length of bout & result of bout, in the fight record boxes. However, if that's not acceptable & we can't decide on whether or not to use sovereign state/flag or non-sovereign state/flag for locations? Then I'd suggest we use sovereign states/flags for those boxer's who've fought in different sovereign states. For those boxers who've fought all their bouts in just one sovereign state? we use the non-sovereign states/flags. What do you all think? GoodDay ( talk) 22:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
How come we don't have an article on AIBA Pro Boxing yet? It appears to have received lots of news coverage. Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. 103.6.159.69 ( talk) 05:03, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Draft:Christopher Cole (boxer)- he's an Irish national champion, does that make him notable enough? I tried reading WP:NBOX, but it didn't seem to cover this (either that or I didn't understand it properly). Thanks. Joseph2302 ( talk) 22:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Is it optional or complusory for professional boxers to have ever opponet listed or not I have noticed alot of boxers especially female boxers or male boxers from previous decades don't. I've noticed quite a few boxers especially from previous decades have little or sometime no third person sources I done what can with some and a few female boxers too but I just thought I ought to point that out. Dwanyewest ( talk) 22:36, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Righto folks, the all-encompassing Manual of Style for boxing (or MOS:BOX, as I would like it to be known) has been sitting quietly in place since December, gradually closing loopholes and garnering positive feedback. I am aware of instruction creep, and how the MOS may appear daunting with its myriad permutations and clauses, but it has to be done. There have been too many inconsistencies and editors taking liberties with formatting on boxing articles (mainly regarding weight classes, sanctioning bodies, and championships), but now 99.9% of those are covered—and I mean stamped out.
There will be no more tripe such as "Light Heavyweight Title, Interim Welterweight Title, and Lineal Super Middleweight Championship" (yes, editors have actually written stuff like that), or "39 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 Draw", or promoters in the lead. All fixed. The only thing that remains to be settled are the dastardly record table flagicons, and whether or not to use "UK" as the top-level suffix for England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland (and, by extension, whether to include US/Canadian/Australian states). In the words of Cr1TiKaL, "Let's do this shit." Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 14:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
There is a debate going on at Muhammad Ali's talkpage, there are a couple editors insists on adding the biography infobox just purely because "it adds more information" which clearly violates WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE. I would like some editors from the boxing project to give their input.--Rockchalk 717 18:28, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Does Marian “Tyger” Trimiar deserve an article and is she notable [8] [9] [10]. Dwanyewest ( talk) 03:17, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
I am also doing an article on
Jackie Tonawanda.
Dwanyewest (
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14:12, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Does NZNBF, one of the governing bodies of professional boxing in New Zealand, meet the affiliation criteria for titles as laid out in WP:NBOX? This concerns the Hemi Ahio article, which is currently facing speedy deletion. — C.Fred ( talk) 21:34, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
This article looks like a propaganda piece. I removed the most POV wording but I suspect the sources are not really reliable. Could someone familiar with boxing sources investigate? Also, I wonder if it really is possible to be a "strawweight" (<105lb/48kg) and be 1.73m tall (while being a martial art professional rather than a starved Ethiopian). Tigraan Click here to contact me 12:24, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article on light-flyweight boxer Nico Hernández, originally (rightly) rated as a "stub" article -- but incorrectly rated as "low-importance" in the boxing category -- has been radically expanded, with multiple major-media references, and other credible sources. It now covers his early life and career, major influences, and detailed breakdown of key events in his surprise rise to an Olympic bronze medal, a few days ago, in Rio -- becoming the first U.S. boxing Olympic medalist since 2008, and apparently first U.S. Olympic medalist in his division in decades. Re-evaluate, please?
I was reading the article on Francisco Rodríguez, the Mexican boxer and have a few comments. I have also noticed him called "El Niño Azteka" with a "k" instead of a "c." There are links from Youtube that could be added in "External Links," such as: (about his organ donation) " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTC3KJ9Fwk", "'El Niño Azteca´dio vida depués [sic] de la vida"; from Univision and posted by Univision; " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtaYGr-XU38", "Gift of Hope Entrevista: El Boxeador" from the Gift of Hope Organ and Tissue Donor Network, and posted by this network; " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQgBFkSX9Hg", "How Paco Rodriguez multiplied his life by five", by Loyola Medicine and posted by Loyola Medicine; and " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_KdJ1_aAxE", "QUE NO SE APAGUE ESE CORAZON [sic]" from Gift of Hope Latino and posted by this organization; (his fight against Robert Da Luz, posted by 8 Count Productions, a promoter of that fight): " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-iuIDQhpAU", (Rounds 1-2); " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2w_7ByfMyk", (Rounds 3-4), " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaRjn3zYPVQ", (Rounds 5-6); and " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRMXYP02rDQ", (Rounds 7-8). The channel of 8 Count Productions is called "The Best in Chicago Boxing." 2601:246:100:436F:6872:7353:D6C8:2A38 ( talk) 20:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Boxing in the United States anybody willing to help improve this article would be great? Dwanyewest ( talk) 00:54, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
has been created for any of you who want to follow boxing related deletion discussions. From now on any Boxing related AFDs should be listed at this rather than Martial Arts. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:20, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Just an ideal template we could use for boxing articles. As I've noticed this year, the boxing record for athletes has taken some changes. Personally I think it needs a quality look. I couldn't find the discussion for the current one to place my thoughts on some changes, so I have placed my idea on here to share and welcome feedback so we could make something likable for athletes articles. I have made this familiar to the martial arts template purely because it's tidy and simple. It has all the columns of information you need to know. It is also easy to follow. I see on the current template that they have now made it that the country is mentioned with also including the flag. To me, that seems no point having the flag there. Anyways, feel free to add some feedback. Would really like to make something new and compulsory. Kidsoljah ( talk) 06:11, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
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KO | 3 | 1:38 | October 1, 2016 | Vodafone Events Centre | Auckland, New Zealand | Retained WBO Oriental Heavyweight title. |
Win | 20–0 |
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TKO | 4 | 1:35 | July 21, 2016 | Horncastle Arena | Christchurch, New Zealand | Retained OPBF & WBO Oriental Heavyweight titles. |
Win | 19–0 |
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UD | 12 | 3:00 | May 21, 2016 | Vodafone Events Centre | Auckland, New Zealand |
"sortable"
at the end of class="wikitable"
, and there it is.Well I guess you've made some firm points. I would like to see the font size changed and sortable tables included at the very least. Then maybe down the line get rid of theses unnecessary flags. Kidsoljah ( talk) 07:30, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
I think this is perfect for a Boxing Record Boxes JMichael22 ( talk) 03:59, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Is there any problems with this Boxing Record template JMichael22 ( talk) 03:58, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
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.I just wanted to let other project members I finished a couple new boxer articles, maybe we can make them part of the project. Check them out: Andres Hernandez and Tami Mauriello. I am thinking of starting one of Bob Pastor. Thanks and God bless! Antonio el culoco Martin dime 04:04, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
Does Arlene Blencowe deserve a wikipedia article?
can some fix this page up Australian National Boxing Federation Boxing in Australia and List of Australian heavyweight boxing champions List of Australian cruiserweight boxing champions List of Australian Light Heavyweight boxing champions List of Australian Super Middleweight boxing champions List of Australian middleweight boxing champions List of Australian light middleweight boxing champions List of Australian welterweight boxing champions please
I came across Tarick Salmaci from this post made at WP:MCQ. I tweaked the image formatting a bit, but the article needs quite a bit more clean up. The sourcing provided is iffy looking, so I'm wondering if someone from this WikiProject is familiar with this fighter and can say he satisfies WP:BIO or WP:NBOX. Cleaning things up a bit is no big deal, but there's no point in doing so if he's not Wikipedia notable. It also appears that Tarick Salamaci himself or an SPA claiming to be him is editing the article which might cause some WP:NPOV issues. Anyway, if any can provide suggestions on improving the article or knows where to find better sources, then please post them on the article's talk page. Thanks in advance -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:52, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
I've had an article for Joe Fournier rejected because he's not notable enough as a boxer. He came to my attention fighting on the undercard of the David Haye fight in the summer. He's had 8 professional fights and has 3 more lined up next year including in Vegas on the frampton undercard. Does anyone have any advice how to get the article published? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blanky34 ( talk • contribs) 15:45, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hello Boxing writers at Wiki I have an article on a subject which I believe should merit Notability even though it doesn't meet guidelines. I believe that boxing people who write here will agree. /info/en/?search=Draft:Ed_Brown_(boxer) [ WP:NPA - content redacted by User:Dweller] Thanks for any help or notes on this. His death was a National news story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanHamilton1998 ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
I want to thank all the Wiki Editors who helped me get this article to this stage. The ones who have treated me fairly and worked hard to improve this article. I feel strongly about the Ed Brown article and have taken some actions of one or two editors personally. I should have been above that. I believe this article has the merit for a wiki article and boxing experts who have created the quality boxing encyclopedia here at Wikipedia will agree. It seems every few weeks another boxer from Chicago appears on TV dedicating a their performance to Ed Brown and that will continue with Kenny Sims Jr. on Showtime in a few days and when Adrian Granados fights Adrian Broner next month. Ed Brown's influence is continuing to shape top notch boxing past the grave. DanHamilton1998 ( talk) 20:54, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Came across this at WP:NPP where it was tagged for speedy deletion. Can anyone more knowledgable on the subject assist in bringing it into shape? Valenciano ( talk) 19:23, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Is cyberboxingzone.com considered a leading or worthwhile source for citing in boxing articles? I have run into a user who is dropping cites with cyberboxingzone.com URLs all over boxing articles in a seeming priority, promotional manner. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:23, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
This page -which clearly has issues- is being hijacked by one or more individuals that seem hell bent in removing the relevant tags and preserve a lot of dubious content, please keep an eye on it. 2600:387:2:811:0:0:0:78 ( talk) 13:38, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I was looking to improve the Terrell Gausha article, and I was wondering if there was a source that this project recommends for boxing records. Thanks Red Fiona ( talk) 16:49, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Hey I would like to discuss potentially adding IBO into Wikipedia notability WP:NBOX The IBO has done well since they open in 1988 and having world champions like Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Klitschko, Roy Jones, Jr., Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Manny Pacquiao, Bernard Hopkins, Gennady Golovkin and many more. In saying that I only want to add it to the part where it says "1. Has fought for a world title (e.g. super, regular/full, interim) for one of the following current or historical major sanctioning bodies" Not the part where it says "2. Has fought for a regular/full national or higher non-world title for an affiliated organization"
So what does everyone think?
(←) I don't think that the IBO is quite there yet. However, looking at the list of current world champions and noting that we currently list The Ring and lineal champions, I'd rather have it replace one of those. Excluding things like the Roy Jones debacle,The Ring has always crowned what is regarded as the division's lineal champion due to its eligibility criteria (clash of top ranked boxers). Sure, there are neutrality concerns since the magazine is now property of one of the largest promoters in the game, but listing both still seems redundant. - Caribbean~H.Q. 05:48, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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I have two questions about the Notability
In New Zealand there are two commissioning bodies for professional boxing
one particular called the
NZPBA which I am personally apart of as a judge
NZPBA are affiliated with all the major sanctioning bodies which we all know is WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF
They even state with the announcer in every event before it starts that they are affiliated with all these bodies
and is semi mentioned in this article
NZPBA Talks about History
so does that mean the NZPBA title (which is the full national title) grant boxers notability?
Second question is that if an amateur boxer fights in an final for a National title affiliated with AIBA like in New Zealand as shown here
New Zealand National medal list, does that grant the amateur boxer notability?
I do get confused with the
WP:NBOX sometimes.
-- Bennyaha ( talk) 18:08, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Angel McKenzie is surely a notable boxer she was a European champion in boxing and appeared on Big Brother 10 (UK). Dwanyewest ( talk) 16:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Do professional boxers have to have their fight records I feel alot of boxers particulary women such as Diana Prazak, Duda Yankovich, Belinda Laracuente, Myriam Lamare and Emiko Raika don't have thier fight records on display and how do you create one? Dwanyewest ( talk) 05:11, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
collapsed=yes
field would need placing at the top of the wikitable? That's a whole shitload of manual edits, unless someone can use a bot (I'm clueless on those).
Mac Dreamstate (
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21:36, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
This is a much bigger conversation than I anticipated I don't have a firm opinion if people want fight records are hidden or not. But I agree with RonSigPi ( talk) that fighter records should be kept and are important in understanding a fighter's career and frankly are useful in linking to other fighters. As it fustrating reading about a fighter career and not knowing their kickboxing/boxer career records or who they fought. I tend to find if its a fighter before the 1950's they won't have their records on display especially if its a female fighter. Just for the sake of transparency I posed a similar question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts/Kickboxing task force. Dwanyewest ( talk) 19:03, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
Anybody interested in improving any women boxer articles there is a task force at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport/Boxing task force.
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15:46, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
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I propose that the redundant "Professional debut" in the Notes column be removed from all contemporary records, particularly those which have recently incorporated the No. column per MOS:BOXING/RECORD. It should be obvious that the #1 slot is a boxer's professional debut, unless there is some MOS:ACCESS issue I'm not aware of. Exceptions can also include boxers whose debut might've had disputed circumstances (differently cited dates according to BoxRec, Fight Fax, etc.) Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 19:16, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
That's 5–1 to remove "Professional debut" from the Notes column, at least for boxers who had no disputed circumstances in their debut. Sounds like consensus. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 14:09, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
New MOS:BOXING element in need of discussion: trivia in the Notes column, particularly regarding what not to include. Catchweights in the column have been done away with for almost a year, along with eliminators and post-fight awards, but there's a loose end in the form of "first"s: do we include "first twelve-rounder", "first women's 3-minute round bout", "first bout on network TV", etc.? This could have an effect on thousands of articles. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 13:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi there, I have just created List of deaths due to injuries sustained in boxing - please can you help expand as it's clearly massively incomplete? Giant Snowman 10:08, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
As of now the Pan Asian Boxing Association will no longer be affiliated to the World Boxing Association. PABA has gone off and created their own sanctioning body called the WBS aka World Boxing Society.
WBA has replace PABA with two titles
1. WBA Oceania title which been going on since 2014.
2. WBA Asia Title (which they also have WBA East Asia & WBA South Asia) which have started this year. This is actually interesting because the WBC EPBC title quit the WBC and moved to WBA which created this title.
On a side not PABA did create a WBA Asia title in the passed to be a minor title of themselves but it didnt really kick off example Haithem Laamouz won that title against Sebastian Singh in July 2016
anyway concluding this anyone that wins the PABA title after June 2017 will no longer be WBA affiliated regional champion Passed PABA champions will be recognized as WBA Regional champions and keep their rankings but the current champions if they decide to defend it it will be under WBS not WBA
I think we need to change the notability requirement so we can put a time stamp on PABA stating anyone winning this title 2017 and before or something
-- Bennyaha ( talk) 09:16, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
PRehse My approach is that boxing is a lot like tennis and athletics - individual sports with worldwide appeal and interest. Therefore, its important to be considerate of WP:BIAS.
So here is my start list mostly based with my knowledge level (when otherwise, I mention it):
So that would be my list. Obviously, once/if a list is finalized, I would make the format much prettier. Not thrilled that there is no South American title, but I am not comfortable with any to give the presumption.
Anyone feel free to comment, suggest addition, suggest removal, etc. RonSigPi ( talk) 22:26, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
I like to think WBC Silver title is WBC version of a Intercontinental title Anyway I would like to add IBO World title but not their regional titles add PABA under WBA with a note states before June 2017 WBA Asia title which funny enough use to be WBC EPBC New Zealand Professional Boxing Association under national also add the NZPBA/ANBF Australasian title because thats been dated back since 1909 and lots of credible history and credible champions, but boxrec doesnt have a title area yet but I am planning on making a Wiki list eventually for that anyway we can set it up as simple as
-- Bennyaha ( talk) 00:32, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
There are some pretty obscure titles there even under the big four. PRehse ( talk) 11:12, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
RonSigPi personally I am mostly happy with your list but I would like WBO Asia Pacific, WBO Oriental, WBA Oceania, IBF Pan Pacific and IBF Australasia as they are the major four best titles in the Asia Pacific regional, not including the WBC titles since your already added them. Also WBO China zone is actually WBO China National title, practically the WBO Asia Pacific main rep made a title in china to get more activity in the region. Also maybe add youth world titles too. -- Bennyaha ( talk) 22:05, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
I also want to add that titles get reviewee annually to see what needs to be added or reviewed -- Bennyaha ( talk) 02:54, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Looks like there's lots of issues with this... inappropriate tone, possible vandalism, fanboy material, WP:COATRACK issues. Can one of you experts please take a look? Thanks. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 10:57, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I am in the process of adding at least a ref from the official site to all the list articles in Category:Golden Gloves. However, they are very long and undoubtedly contain some unchecked vandalism, namely false names. Would anyone like to team up and check them as I do the lead cleanup? Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 19:53, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Discussion needed at Talk:Jeff Horn regarding the wording of the lead section. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 21:23, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Hey, new user. If I may interject, I think Wikipedia could really use a list of bare-knuckle boxing champions. There's currently a list of lightweight champions but it seems incomplete. I'd like to consolidate it along with a list of heavyweight champions in an article styled like the lineal champions list but I figured I should probably ask here first. Other divisions didn't seem to exist as such in the bare-knuckle era but I may be mistaken. Ruzap ( talk) 00:20, 21 July 2017 (UTC)Ruzap
A request to WikiProject members: please add as many full British champions as possible to Category:British Boxing Board of Control champions. The ones already there are on my watchlist, but there's likely a hundred or so more in need of adding. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 19:38, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
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An MOS for the Boxing project can be found here and is, I think, ready to be put on the main Project page. It has been long overdue and follows the MOS for MMA as a guide. Final call for comments - I hope it can be put up in a weeks time. Peter Rehse ( talk) 17:18, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
I fully support Mac Dreamstate's MOS proposal. GoodDay ( talk) 02:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Comment: ya'll should merge Wikipedia:WikiProject Boxing/Style and Wikipedia:WikiProject Boxing/MOSGuidelines NE Ent 00:22, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Are we still waiting on the flags thing to play out? Let's just bypass it for now and remove it from the MOS later if need be. Flags are only one isolated part of the MOS, namely the record table, so there really needs to be feedback on the rest of it. I'm also talking things like presentation: WP:PW/MOS looks nice and attractive compared to the rather plain and bloated boxing one that's on hold now, whilst WP:MOSALBUM looks plain and to-the-point (the way I prefer things to be). There's only so much I can cook up myself, so advise me, people:
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for multiple repeating content within Opponent, Location and Notes – yes or no?Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 23:05, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
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for multiple repeating content within Opponent, Location and Notes – yes or no?No, I personally think every fight in a boxing record should stand on their own. (even if that means to repeat the content)
Yes.
No, I believe jury decisions to be more important than fight dates.
Yes, it's easier for readers to identify the country than abbreviations.
All the best luck. You worked really hard, hope it gets approved. Later will continue discuss about flag icons.-- Fallengrademan ( talk) 20:51, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Updates and near-final tweaks:
Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 14:05, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
I wouldn't know where to start on this, but I wholeheartedly believe we need an article for this event. It is one of the biggest fights to have happened in the UK for years, if not decades; two world titles were on the line; it was a well-documented grudge match between two boxers who had a lot to say; the whole event ("80,000 at Wembley!", yada yada) is still talked about whenever Froch or Groves is the subject; and it was broadcast to U.S. audiences as well. I've been tempted to just go ahead and create the article, but then I'm always held back on one thing which every other fight article seems to have—an official poster. How does one acquire those for WP? If I get a tip on that, I might try to make at least the beginnings of an article. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 03:12, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Greetings. There is a draft over at AfC, Draft:Oktay Takalak. I am unsure if this meets your notability criteria. Could someone please take a look and let me know your thoughts? Thanks. Article needs work (being written by someone who I think their first language is not English), but I think it can be easily fixed, if it meets notability criteria. Please ping me if you respond (either here or on the draft). Onel5969 TT me 12:28, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
My first choice would be to eliminate the location column & just have the opponents, date of bout, length of bout & result of bout, in the fight record boxes. However, if that's not acceptable & we can't decide on whether or not to use sovereign state/flag or non-sovereign state/flag for locations? Then I'd suggest we use sovereign states/flags for those boxer's who've fought in different sovereign states. For those boxers who've fought all their bouts in just one sovereign state? we use the non-sovereign states/flags. What do you all think? GoodDay ( talk) 22:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
How come we don't have an article on AIBA Pro Boxing yet? It appears to have received lots of news coverage. Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. 103.6.159.69 ( talk) 05:03, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Draft:Christopher Cole (boxer)- he's an Irish national champion, does that make him notable enough? I tried reading WP:NBOX, but it didn't seem to cover this (either that or I didn't understand it properly). Thanks. Joseph2302 ( talk) 22:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Is it optional or complusory for professional boxers to have ever opponet listed or not I have noticed alot of boxers especially female boxers or male boxers from previous decades don't. I've noticed quite a few boxers especially from previous decades have little or sometime no third person sources I done what can with some and a few female boxers too but I just thought I ought to point that out. Dwanyewest ( talk) 22:36, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Righto folks, the all-encompassing Manual of Style for boxing (or MOS:BOX, as I would like it to be known) has been sitting quietly in place since December, gradually closing loopholes and garnering positive feedback. I am aware of instruction creep, and how the MOS may appear daunting with its myriad permutations and clauses, but it has to be done. There have been too many inconsistencies and editors taking liberties with formatting on boxing articles (mainly regarding weight classes, sanctioning bodies, and championships), but now 99.9% of those are covered—and I mean stamped out.
There will be no more tripe such as "Light Heavyweight Title, Interim Welterweight Title, and Lineal Super Middleweight Championship" (yes, editors have actually written stuff like that), or "39 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 Draw", or promoters in the lead. All fixed. The only thing that remains to be settled are the dastardly record table flagicons, and whether or not to use "UK" as the top-level suffix for England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland (and, by extension, whether to include US/Canadian/Australian states). In the words of Cr1TiKaL, "Let's do this shit." Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 14:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
There is a debate going on at Muhammad Ali's talkpage, there are a couple editors insists on adding the biography infobox just purely because "it adds more information" which clearly violates WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE. I would like some editors from the boxing project to give their input.--Rockchalk 717 18:28, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Does Marian “Tyger” Trimiar deserve an article and is she notable [8] [9] [10]. Dwanyewest ( talk) 03:17, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
I am also doing an article on
Jackie Tonawanda.
Dwanyewest (
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14:12, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Does NZNBF, one of the governing bodies of professional boxing in New Zealand, meet the affiliation criteria for titles as laid out in WP:NBOX? This concerns the Hemi Ahio article, which is currently facing speedy deletion. — C.Fred ( talk) 21:34, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
This article looks like a propaganda piece. I removed the most POV wording but I suspect the sources are not really reliable. Could someone familiar with boxing sources investigate? Also, I wonder if it really is possible to be a "strawweight" (<105lb/48kg) and be 1.73m tall (while being a martial art professional rather than a starved Ethiopian). Tigraan Click here to contact me 12:24, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article on light-flyweight boxer Nico Hernández, originally (rightly) rated as a "stub" article -- but incorrectly rated as "low-importance" in the boxing category -- has been radically expanded, with multiple major-media references, and other credible sources. It now covers his early life and career, major influences, and detailed breakdown of key events in his surprise rise to an Olympic bronze medal, a few days ago, in Rio -- becoming the first U.S. boxing Olympic medalist since 2008, and apparently first U.S. Olympic medalist in his division in decades. Re-evaluate, please?
I was reading the article on Francisco Rodríguez, the Mexican boxer and have a few comments. I have also noticed him called "El Niño Azteka" with a "k" instead of a "c." There are links from Youtube that could be added in "External Links," such as: (about his organ donation) " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTC3KJ9Fwk", "'El Niño Azteca´dio vida depués [sic] de la vida"; from Univision and posted by Univision; " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtaYGr-XU38", "Gift of Hope Entrevista: El Boxeador" from the Gift of Hope Organ and Tissue Donor Network, and posted by this network; " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQgBFkSX9Hg", "How Paco Rodriguez multiplied his life by five", by Loyola Medicine and posted by Loyola Medicine; and " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_KdJ1_aAxE", "QUE NO SE APAGUE ESE CORAZON [sic]" from Gift of Hope Latino and posted by this organization; (his fight against Robert Da Luz, posted by 8 Count Productions, a promoter of that fight): " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-iuIDQhpAU", (Rounds 1-2); " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2w_7ByfMyk", (Rounds 3-4), " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaRjn3zYPVQ", (Rounds 5-6); and " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRMXYP02rDQ", (Rounds 7-8). The channel of 8 Count Productions is called "The Best in Chicago Boxing." 2601:246:100:436F:6872:7353:D6C8:2A38 ( talk) 20:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Boxing in the United States anybody willing to help improve this article would be great? Dwanyewest ( talk) 00:54, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
has been created for any of you who want to follow boxing related deletion discussions. From now on any Boxing related AFDs should be listed at this rather than Martial Arts. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:20, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Just an ideal template we could use for boxing articles. As I've noticed this year, the boxing record for athletes has taken some changes. Personally I think it needs a quality look. I couldn't find the discussion for the current one to place my thoughts on some changes, so I have placed my idea on here to share and welcome feedback so we could make something likable for athletes articles. I have made this familiar to the martial arts template purely because it's tidy and simple. It has all the columns of information you need to know. It is also easy to follow. I see on the current template that they have now made it that the country is mentioned with also including the flag. To me, that seems no point having the flag there. Anyways, feel free to add some feedback. Would really like to make something new and compulsory. Kidsoljah ( talk) 06:11, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
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KO | 3 | 1:38 | October 1, 2016 | Vodafone Events Centre | Auckland, New Zealand | Retained WBO Oriental Heavyweight title. |
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TKO | 4 | 1:35 | July 21, 2016 | Horncastle Arena | Christchurch, New Zealand | Retained OPBF & WBO Oriental Heavyweight titles. |
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UD | 12 | 3:00 | May 21, 2016 | Vodafone Events Centre | Auckland, New Zealand |
"sortable"
at the end of class="wikitable"
, and there it is.Well I guess you've made some firm points. I would like to see the font size changed and sortable tables included at the very least. Then maybe down the line get rid of theses unnecessary flags. Kidsoljah ( talk) 07:30, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
I think this is perfect for a Boxing Record Boxes JMichael22 ( talk) 03:59, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Is there any problems with this Boxing Record template JMichael22 ( talk) 03:58, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
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.I just wanted to let other project members I finished a couple new boxer articles, maybe we can make them part of the project. Check them out: Andres Hernandez and Tami Mauriello. I am thinking of starting one of Bob Pastor. Thanks and God bless! Antonio el culoco Martin dime 04:04, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
Does Arlene Blencowe deserve a wikipedia article?
can some fix this page up Australian National Boxing Federation Boxing in Australia and List of Australian heavyweight boxing champions List of Australian cruiserweight boxing champions List of Australian Light Heavyweight boxing champions List of Australian Super Middleweight boxing champions List of Australian middleweight boxing champions List of Australian light middleweight boxing champions List of Australian welterweight boxing champions please
I came across Tarick Salmaci from this post made at WP:MCQ. I tweaked the image formatting a bit, but the article needs quite a bit more clean up. The sourcing provided is iffy looking, so I'm wondering if someone from this WikiProject is familiar with this fighter and can say he satisfies WP:BIO or WP:NBOX. Cleaning things up a bit is no big deal, but there's no point in doing so if he's not Wikipedia notable. It also appears that Tarick Salamaci himself or an SPA claiming to be him is editing the article which might cause some WP:NPOV issues. Anyway, if any can provide suggestions on improving the article or knows where to find better sources, then please post them on the article's talk page. Thanks in advance -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:52, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
I've had an article for Joe Fournier rejected because he's not notable enough as a boxer. He came to my attention fighting on the undercard of the David Haye fight in the summer. He's had 8 professional fights and has 3 more lined up next year including in Vegas on the frampton undercard. Does anyone have any advice how to get the article published? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blanky34 ( talk • contribs) 15:45, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hello Boxing writers at Wiki I have an article on a subject which I believe should merit Notability even though it doesn't meet guidelines. I believe that boxing people who write here will agree. /info/en/?search=Draft:Ed_Brown_(boxer) [ WP:NPA - content redacted by User:Dweller] Thanks for any help or notes on this. His death was a National news story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanHamilton1998 ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
I want to thank all the Wiki Editors who helped me get this article to this stage. The ones who have treated me fairly and worked hard to improve this article. I feel strongly about the Ed Brown article and have taken some actions of one or two editors personally. I should have been above that. I believe this article has the merit for a wiki article and boxing experts who have created the quality boxing encyclopedia here at Wikipedia will agree. It seems every few weeks another boxer from Chicago appears on TV dedicating a their performance to Ed Brown and that will continue with Kenny Sims Jr. on Showtime in a few days and when Adrian Granados fights Adrian Broner next month. Ed Brown's influence is continuing to shape top notch boxing past the grave. DanHamilton1998 ( talk) 20:54, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Came across this at WP:NPP where it was tagged for speedy deletion. Can anyone more knowledgable on the subject assist in bringing it into shape? Valenciano ( talk) 19:23, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Is cyberboxingzone.com considered a leading or worthwhile source for citing in boxing articles? I have run into a user who is dropping cites with cyberboxingzone.com URLs all over boxing articles in a seeming priority, promotional manner. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:23, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
This page -which clearly has issues- is being hijacked by one or more individuals that seem hell bent in removing the relevant tags and preserve a lot of dubious content, please keep an eye on it. 2600:387:2:811:0:0:0:78 ( talk) 13:38, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I was looking to improve the Terrell Gausha article, and I was wondering if there was a source that this project recommends for boxing records. Thanks Red Fiona ( talk) 16:49, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Hey I would like to discuss potentially adding IBO into Wikipedia notability WP:NBOX The IBO has done well since they open in 1988 and having world champions like Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Klitschko, Roy Jones, Jr., Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Manny Pacquiao, Bernard Hopkins, Gennady Golovkin and many more. In saying that I only want to add it to the part where it says "1. Has fought for a world title (e.g. super, regular/full, interim) for one of the following current or historical major sanctioning bodies" Not the part where it says "2. Has fought for a regular/full national or higher non-world title for an affiliated organization"
So what does everyone think?
(←) I don't think that the IBO is quite there yet. However, looking at the list of current world champions and noting that we currently list The Ring and lineal champions, I'd rather have it replace one of those. Excluding things like the Roy Jones debacle,The Ring has always crowned what is regarded as the division's lineal champion due to its eligibility criteria (clash of top ranked boxers). Sure, there are neutrality concerns since the magazine is now property of one of the largest promoters in the game, but listing both still seems redundant. - Caribbean~H.Q. 05:48, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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I have two questions about the Notability
In New Zealand there are two commissioning bodies for professional boxing
one particular called the
NZPBA which I am personally apart of as a judge
NZPBA are affiliated with all the major sanctioning bodies which we all know is WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF
They even state with the announcer in every event before it starts that they are affiliated with all these bodies
and is semi mentioned in this article
NZPBA Talks about History
so does that mean the NZPBA title (which is the full national title) grant boxers notability?
Second question is that if an amateur boxer fights in an final for a National title affiliated with AIBA like in New Zealand as shown here
New Zealand National medal list, does that grant the amateur boxer notability?
I do get confused with the
WP:NBOX sometimes.
-- Bennyaha ( talk) 18:08, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Angel McKenzie is surely a notable boxer she was a European champion in boxing and appeared on Big Brother 10 (UK). Dwanyewest ( talk) 16:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Do professional boxers have to have their fight records I feel alot of boxers particulary women such as Diana Prazak, Duda Yankovich, Belinda Laracuente, Myriam Lamare and Emiko Raika don't have thier fight records on display and how do you create one? Dwanyewest ( talk) 05:11, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
collapsed=yes
field would need placing at the top of the wikitable? That's a whole shitload of manual edits, unless someone can use a bot (I'm clueless on those).
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This is a much bigger conversation than I anticipated I don't have a firm opinion if people want fight records are hidden or not. But I agree with RonSigPi ( talk) that fighter records should be kept and are important in understanding a fighter's career and frankly are useful in linking to other fighters. As it fustrating reading about a fighter career and not knowing their kickboxing/boxer career records or who they fought. I tend to find if its a fighter before the 1950's they won't have their records on display especially if its a female fighter. Just for the sake of transparency I posed a similar question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts/Kickboxing task force. Dwanyewest ( talk) 19:03, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
Anybody interested in improving any women boxer articles there is a task force at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport/Boxing task force.
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I propose that the redundant "Professional debut" in the Notes column be removed from all contemporary records, particularly those which have recently incorporated the No. column per MOS:BOXING/RECORD. It should be obvious that the #1 slot is a boxer's professional debut, unless there is some MOS:ACCESS issue I'm not aware of. Exceptions can also include boxers whose debut might've had disputed circumstances (differently cited dates according to BoxRec, Fight Fax, etc.) Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 19:16, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
That's 5–1 to remove "Professional debut" from the Notes column, at least for boxers who had no disputed circumstances in their debut. Sounds like consensus. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 14:09, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
New MOS:BOXING element in need of discussion: trivia in the Notes column, particularly regarding what not to include. Catchweights in the column have been done away with for almost a year, along with eliminators and post-fight awards, but there's a loose end in the form of "first"s: do we include "first twelve-rounder", "first women's 3-minute round bout", "first bout on network TV", etc.? This could have an effect on thousands of articles. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 13:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi there, I have just created List of deaths due to injuries sustained in boxing - please can you help expand as it's clearly massively incomplete? Giant Snowman 10:08, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
As of now the Pan Asian Boxing Association will no longer be affiliated to the World Boxing Association. PABA has gone off and created their own sanctioning body called the WBS aka World Boxing Society.
WBA has replace PABA with two titles
1. WBA Oceania title which been going on since 2014.
2. WBA Asia Title (which they also have WBA East Asia & WBA South Asia) which have started this year. This is actually interesting because the WBC EPBC title quit the WBC and moved to WBA which created this title.
On a side not PABA did create a WBA Asia title in the passed to be a minor title of themselves but it didnt really kick off example Haithem Laamouz won that title against Sebastian Singh in July 2016
anyway concluding this anyone that wins the PABA title after June 2017 will no longer be WBA affiliated regional champion Passed PABA champions will be recognized as WBA Regional champions and keep their rankings but the current champions if they decide to defend it it will be under WBS not WBA
I think we need to change the notability requirement so we can put a time stamp on PABA stating anyone winning this title 2017 and before or something
-- Bennyaha ( talk) 09:16, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
PRehse My approach is that boxing is a lot like tennis and athletics - individual sports with worldwide appeal and interest. Therefore, its important to be considerate of WP:BIAS.
So here is my start list mostly based with my knowledge level (when otherwise, I mention it):
So that would be my list. Obviously, once/if a list is finalized, I would make the format much prettier. Not thrilled that there is no South American title, but I am not comfortable with any to give the presumption.
Anyone feel free to comment, suggest addition, suggest removal, etc. RonSigPi ( talk) 22:26, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
I like to think WBC Silver title is WBC version of a Intercontinental title Anyway I would like to add IBO World title but not their regional titles add PABA under WBA with a note states before June 2017 WBA Asia title which funny enough use to be WBC EPBC New Zealand Professional Boxing Association under national also add the NZPBA/ANBF Australasian title because thats been dated back since 1909 and lots of credible history and credible champions, but boxrec doesnt have a title area yet but I am planning on making a Wiki list eventually for that anyway we can set it up as simple as
-- Bennyaha ( talk) 00:32, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
There are some pretty obscure titles there even under the big four. PRehse ( talk) 11:12, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
RonSigPi personally I am mostly happy with your list but I would like WBO Asia Pacific, WBO Oriental, WBA Oceania, IBF Pan Pacific and IBF Australasia as they are the major four best titles in the Asia Pacific regional, not including the WBC titles since your already added them. Also WBO China zone is actually WBO China National title, practically the WBO Asia Pacific main rep made a title in china to get more activity in the region. Also maybe add youth world titles too. -- Bennyaha ( talk) 22:05, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
I also want to add that titles get reviewee annually to see what needs to be added or reviewed -- Bennyaha ( talk) 02:54, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Looks like there's lots of issues with this... inappropriate tone, possible vandalism, fanboy material, WP:COATRACK issues. Can one of you experts please take a look? Thanks. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 10:57, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I am in the process of adding at least a ref from the official site to all the list articles in Category:Golden Gloves. However, they are very long and undoubtedly contain some unchecked vandalism, namely false names. Would anyone like to team up and check them as I do the lead cleanup? Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 19:53, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Discussion needed at Talk:Jeff Horn regarding the wording of the lead section. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 21:23, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Hey, new user. If I may interject, I think Wikipedia could really use a list of bare-knuckle boxing champions. There's currently a list of lightweight champions but it seems incomplete. I'd like to consolidate it along with a list of heavyweight champions in an article styled like the lineal champions list but I figured I should probably ask here first. Other divisions didn't seem to exist as such in the bare-knuckle era but I may be mistaken. Ruzap ( talk) 00:20, 21 July 2017 (UTC)Ruzap
A request to WikiProject members: please add as many full British champions as possible to Category:British Boxing Board of Control champions. The ones already there are on my watchlist, but there's likely a hundred or so more in need of adding. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 19:38, 22 July 2017 (UTC)