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I have created a new portal for the beverage community. While the Beer and Wine projects have their own specialized portals, the rest of the Drink WikiProjects do not have their own portal to call their own.
It is here. Please be warned, it is still a work in progress and is not fully populated.
I would gladly welcome the assistance of the members of this project in getting it up and running.
Also, please check out the new WikiProject Spirits which is for distilled alcoholic beverages such as vodka and whiskey.
-- Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 07:25, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
If you do a google search on vegetarian/vegan beer you will notice there are many websites dedicated to the subject with regards to whether a beer is suitable for vegetarains and vegans. As some of you may or may not know, animal products may be used in the production of a beer. Given the prevalence of the interest in this aspect of beer, along with the fact that many supermarkets are now marking their own ales as "suitable for vegetarians" in some cases I think it would be useful information for Wikepedia to incorporate into its beer articles. I understand that are some people object to this because it is not relevant to anyone who is not vegetarian, but I think those of you who think such information is irrelevant may be labouring under the false assumption that a vegetarian lifestyle is very a niche aspect of our culture that doesn't warrant the information being added to the articles, but the fact is that there are an estimated 12 million vegetarians in the US alone and millions across Europe so this type of information is relevant to a significant proportion of the population.
My suggestion is to establish a product/dietary information section for each beer or beer range produced by a brewery where such facts can be listed, for example whether a product is suitable for vegetarians. Some critics point out that this could lead to the addition of limitless trivia about beers such as whether it is suitable for coeliacs and whether it is Halal (although this would be pointless since no beer can be Halal since Muslims are forbidden to drink alcohol). The type of information I would like to add to the articles is the sort that is already been listed on some products, nothing obscure but the sort of information that is increasingly turning up on beer bottles. As an example, I have a bottle of Morrisons Organic Golden Ale here which stipulates that the beer is certified by the "Soil Association", it is "Suitable for Vegetarians" and also contains an allergy warning that it "Contains gluten snd sulphites".
The dietary aspects of beer are becoming increasingly important to various consumer food groups, a movement that has been embraced by supermarkets that are now starting to state vegetarian suitability on the labelling of their own beer products. Another criticism that has been levelled at the suggestion is that it's nothing to do with the beer, but it is an aspect of the beer that many people are interested in knowing about. There are some people who will only consume beers that conform to the organic soil association standard, and there is an increasing market in this area, and the vegetarian market is analagous to that. They both address the methods of production of a beer. The market forces in this area are becoming increasingly strong to such an extent that there is a CAMRA movement pushing the development of gluten free beer.
One suggestion is to establish an article about vegetarian beers, which is one method but the problem here is that you would have to be aware of the list. It is entirely conceivable that someone would look up Hoegaarden to see if it is suitable for vegetarians, so in IMO would be a good idea to include the information on the article. On beers that are not suitable for vegetarians my suggestion is to leave such articles alone and just incorporate the information if they are suitable. A precedent already exists on Wikipedia in that some articles about soft drink products state if they are suitable for vegetarians.
There is currently debate about which sources would be acceptable for such information, but it would be best to not conflate the two subjects. The main thing I want to discuss at the moment is the inclusion of such information into the article. I think it would be of an interest and use to a vast number of people and would not be to the detriment of the article. Betty Logan ( talk) 14:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
See also the current cfd [1] for Category:vegetarian beers. Rd232 talk 08:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
The sites used as sources for the Dietary information are not reliable. barnivore.com is based on people writing in with claims to have spoken to or emailed companies. There is little or no sourced evidence. The zen.co.uk is a well meaning individual who is writing to breweries and publishing the contents of their responses. The responses in themselves need to be treated with care even if true, as a brewery claiming that the beer has no animal ingredients need not mean that the beer wasn't "treated" with an animal byproduct. The response from Youngs is typical: "We do not use any animal products in our beers." A brewery could stop at this point. However, Youngs do go on to say: "We do however use isinglass finings in all our beers except our two lagers." Not all breweries might add that information, especially if they are using glycerol monostearate or some other animal byproduct in the treatment of the beer.
Sourced information regarding animal products in beers would be usefully placed in Vegetarianism and beer rather than directly in the beer and brewery articles. SilkTork * YES! 20:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Over a year ago, Beakerboy proposed that national examples in beer articles should be limited to three per country with, as I recall, one extra for the country that developed the type of beer. Most other editors agreed with him. Last August, a new editor appeared and immediately complained about this rule, so a few people gave up and the list of examples was increased to eight per country with none extra for the country that developed the type of beer. That "new editor" then disappeared.
The problem that Beakerboy and many other editors saw was that users, often non-registered, would add their local beer or the beer they produce to the lists regardless of what agreement was in place. Several articles now have lists that are longer than the article itself. Also, there is no one really enforcing these agreements.
So, I would now like to propose that we drop the Examples all together. Since most of the Examples are only available locally anyhow, we are not necessarily providing much of a service. Secondly, we are not Ratebeer or Beeradvocate and should not try to emulate them. And finally, if we have no examples, no one can complain that country A has six beers listed and country B only has five. Thoughts? Mikebe ( talk) 15:23, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not keen on lists within articles as they don't tell us much. Lists within articles are generally discouraged on Wikipedia. I would say the approach is to write about a beer and in the text to include notable examples, with an explanation of why that example is notable (first of it's type, biggest seller, most extreme example, one most written about, etc) - and that lists of examples should be diminished as pointless. SilkTork * YES! 23:42, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello, your friendly neighborhood maintenance man here: I need some help with some issues on the Portal and Project pages:
Remember, any help you give me can help you by bringing attention to the subject of Beer and new members to your project.
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Thanks. — Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 08:51, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)
How much - if any - information do we need on packaging of individual brands? My inclination is that unless the packing is notable or interesting in some way, then it's rather trivial information that is perhaps best left out. However, if people feel that some packaging information can be meaningful and helpful, then how do we incorporate it into articles? I suspect most people would feel that an entire section on everyday packaging is too much - but would some mention of the typical packaging and size in a general description of the brand be OK? Some possible choices:
I am inclined to go with #2, though I have no huge objections to #3 if it can be contained, and not drift into trivia. I feel #4 is excessive. SilkTork * YES! 14:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
There's been a few adjustments to our project page - Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer. The aim is to declutter, make navigation easier, and to focus on our core tasks and aims. New subpages have been created, and these can be accessed alongside existing subpages from a main navigation pad high up on the page. The page is now cleaner and shorter. The intention is that the page should not need manually updating - alerts, assessment and cleanup tags are maintained automatically. Areas that needed manually updating have been removed, as these can become out-of-date quickly and can give the appearance that this project is not active. Feedback on the changes would be appreciated. SilkTork * YES! 23:36, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I've been using googlemaps and the ElevationContour gadget to produce a list of pubs over 1000ft (and one below sea level).
Its in my sandbox.
[2]
Is there any place for this, or some of it, on wiki?
I only signed up the other day and dont want to get too involved...or upset anyone
Frisasu (
talk)
20:42, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if I could establish a consensus for "re-establishing" the article on Old Speckled Hen. It currently redirects to Greene King Brewery, with a small section in that article. However, I think it has notability in its own right an could be a decent article. As such, I would like to shorten the section in the brewery article and add a link to the "main article" of the beer. I'm happy to do the work on the article but I want to establish consensus so people don't go hastily nominating it for deletion. For the record, there is a precedent for articles on an individual beer. See Stella Artois, Budweiser (Anheuser-Busch) and probably others. HJMitchell You rang? 22:52, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt ( talk) 01:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Template:Brewbox begin and its various sister templates which form the "brewbox" infobox have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.
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10:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
I've declined the db-nonsense speedy deletion, but this one needs help. Bad. (My partner likes this beer. Don't let it die!) - Dank ( push to talk) 04:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I encountered an article on Scientific American about a company making historical beers and beer like beverages based upon chemical analysis of archeological artifacts from around the globe. it is here. -- Jeremy ( blah blah) 22:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Could someone take a look at Two Brothers Brewing, esp. This edit? — goethean ॐ 01:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
The article was in a mess. I have started a tidy up. It could do with a bit more; however, the company is notable enough to remain on Wikipedia. There are a number of reliable sources, including two books, and a handful of newspapers. SilkTork * YES! 19:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
We welcome scrutiny of articles on Wikipedia. You have questioned the notability of the Two Brothers Brewing article and three experienced editors have looked into the matter and informed you that in their opinion it meets Wikipedia's requirements. We have also informed you that there is a process for questioning the notability of an article, which is raising it at WP:AFD. Things may have changed, but a person needs to register in order to list an article at AFD - this is to prevent disruptive listing. I have suggested you register in order to list the article at AFD.
Even though we feel your edits are nonconstructive, time-wasting and disruptive, we are engaging in discussion with you in an attempt to explain our thinking, and the processes open to you. I feel we are giving you and your arguments rather more consideration than your behaviour deserves, given that you persist in cutting the article despite what has been said to you. I have again protected the article as this, I feel, will reduce disruption while allowing you to have your say. The alternative would be that your IP address would be blocked if you continued to remove legitimate content from an article after several warnings.
I again suggest you register your account and follow the appropriate channels. This should satisfy you that the article has been appropriately considered as notable. SilkTork * YES! 11:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I am requesting a tool which lists beer pages that are the most frequently read (or hit) by Wiki readers - [4]. Looks useful. 23:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
This is the proposed naming convention on cuisines that has been percolating for some time, I would like to request all members to please take a look and comment on its talk page. This is a very important rule set that needs to be decided upon, if you wish to establish or please comment under the appropriate section. -- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 07:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Could someone have a look at the above article and tidy up?
As you will see from the history, I expanded it, but I know nothing about the company (or beers - apart from liking some of them!)
I'm not sure how to fill in the InfoBox, so I only put one ale in it!
To be honest, I only worked on the article because it was in the unreferenced articles category, and I was finding a couple of sources, and got carried away... but I am aware of the fact that someone who knows this area needs to look at it.
Regards, -- PhantomSteve ( Contact Me, My Contribs) 19:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed a few pub articles starting to spring up. Could you therefore include pubs in your notability guidelines? I'm wondering what makes a pub notable for Wikipedia, and also if a group of pubs are not notable for individual articles, whether it would be acceptable to create List of pubs in MyTown? Also, does your project view local CAMRA branch newsletters as reliable sources or not? Thanks... sorry that's quite a few questions. -- Jameboy ( talk) 19:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
As the Beer project has developed we have devised some Beer and Brewery InfoBoxes. Over the years a number of these have been deprecated and sometimes deleted. For breweries and beer companies we then had the {{ Infobox Brewery}}. On major beer company articles people from outside and inside the project were using the standard {{ Infobox Company}}. This sometimes led to edit wars with people preferring one over the other, or both would appear on the article. There has been for some time now a trend to standardisation across Wikipedia to aid navigation for the general reader. As such it was decided to go with the general {{ Infobox Company}}. This information has been on the main page - Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer and the template page Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer/templates since earlier this year when the BeerBox was depreciated and deleted; however, not everyone is aware of it.
The three main differences between {{ Infobox Brewery}} and {{ Infobox Company}} are that 1) {{ Infobox Company}} is the standard template used across Wikipedia for companies, and gets wide attention from writers and editors so it is maintained to a high standard and contains a good range of fields that make comparison between brewing and other companies easier for the general reader. 2) {{ Infobox Company}} does not encourage a list of beers - such embedded lists are discouraged across Wikipedia and here on the beer project 3) {{ Infobox Company}} does not contain the beer project yellow colour band.
The fields:
Infobox Brewery
{{Infobox Brewery | name = | image = | caption = | location = | owner = | opened = | closed = | production = | url = | active_beers = | seasonal_beers = | other_beers = | inactive_beers = }}
Infobox Company (Fields selected for the Beer Project)
{{Infobox Company | name = | logo = | type = | predecessor = | successor = | foundation = | founder = | defunct = | location_city = | location_country = | locations = | area_served = | key_people = | industry = [[Alcoholic beverage]] | products = [[Beer]] | production = | revenue = | owner = | num_employees = | parent = | divisions = | subsid = | homepage = | footnotes = | intl = yes }}
Infobox Company (Fuller list of fields which can be added by choice)
{{Infobox Company | name = | logo = | type = | genre = | fate = | predecessor = | successor = | foundation = | founder = | defunct = | location_city = | location_country = | location = | locations = | area_served = | key_people = | industry = | products = | production = | services = | revenue = | operating_income = | net_income = | aum = | assets = | equity = | owner = | num_employees = | parent = | divisions = | subsid = | homepage = | footnotes = | intl = }}
There have been individual conversations about the use of these boxes over the years, but I don't think there has been anything recent on this talkpage. Comments? SilkTork * YES! 10:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Discussion to change the name of Guinness to Guinness Draught to clarify that the article is about the brand rather than the company or the brewery (for which we already have separate articles). SilkTork * YES! 10:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | → | Archive 10 |
I have created a new portal for the beverage community. While the Beer and Wine projects have their own specialized portals, the rest of the Drink WikiProjects do not have their own portal to call their own.
It is here. Please be warned, it is still a work in progress and is not fully populated.
I would gladly welcome the assistance of the members of this project in getting it up and running.
Also, please check out the new WikiProject Spirits which is for distilled alcoholic beverages such as vodka and whiskey.
-- Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 07:25, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
If you do a google search on vegetarian/vegan beer you will notice there are many websites dedicated to the subject with regards to whether a beer is suitable for vegetarains and vegans. As some of you may or may not know, animal products may be used in the production of a beer. Given the prevalence of the interest in this aspect of beer, along with the fact that many supermarkets are now marking their own ales as "suitable for vegetarians" in some cases I think it would be useful information for Wikepedia to incorporate into its beer articles. I understand that are some people object to this because it is not relevant to anyone who is not vegetarian, but I think those of you who think such information is irrelevant may be labouring under the false assumption that a vegetarian lifestyle is very a niche aspect of our culture that doesn't warrant the information being added to the articles, but the fact is that there are an estimated 12 million vegetarians in the US alone and millions across Europe so this type of information is relevant to a significant proportion of the population.
My suggestion is to establish a product/dietary information section for each beer or beer range produced by a brewery where such facts can be listed, for example whether a product is suitable for vegetarians. Some critics point out that this could lead to the addition of limitless trivia about beers such as whether it is suitable for coeliacs and whether it is Halal (although this would be pointless since no beer can be Halal since Muslims are forbidden to drink alcohol). The type of information I would like to add to the articles is the sort that is already been listed on some products, nothing obscure but the sort of information that is increasingly turning up on beer bottles. As an example, I have a bottle of Morrisons Organic Golden Ale here which stipulates that the beer is certified by the "Soil Association", it is "Suitable for Vegetarians" and also contains an allergy warning that it "Contains gluten snd sulphites".
The dietary aspects of beer are becoming increasingly important to various consumer food groups, a movement that has been embraced by supermarkets that are now starting to state vegetarian suitability on the labelling of their own beer products. Another criticism that has been levelled at the suggestion is that it's nothing to do with the beer, but it is an aspect of the beer that many people are interested in knowing about. There are some people who will only consume beers that conform to the organic soil association standard, and there is an increasing market in this area, and the vegetarian market is analagous to that. They both address the methods of production of a beer. The market forces in this area are becoming increasingly strong to such an extent that there is a CAMRA movement pushing the development of gluten free beer.
One suggestion is to establish an article about vegetarian beers, which is one method but the problem here is that you would have to be aware of the list. It is entirely conceivable that someone would look up Hoegaarden to see if it is suitable for vegetarians, so in IMO would be a good idea to include the information on the article. On beers that are not suitable for vegetarians my suggestion is to leave such articles alone and just incorporate the information if they are suitable. A precedent already exists on Wikipedia in that some articles about soft drink products state if they are suitable for vegetarians.
There is currently debate about which sources would be acceptable for such information, but it would be best to not conflate the two subjects. The main thing I want to discuss at the moment is the inclusion of such information into the article. I think it would be of an interest and use to a vast number of people and would not be to the detriment of the article. Betty Logan ( talk) 14:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
See also the current cfd [1] for Category:vegetarian beers. Rd232 talk 08:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
The sites used as sources for the Dietary information are not reliable. barnivore.com is based on people writing in with claims to have spoken to or emailed companies. There is little or no sourced evidence. The zen.co.uk is a well meaning individual who is writing to breweries and publishing the contents of their responses. The responses in themselves need to be treated with care even if true, as a brewery claiming that the beer has no animal ingredients need not mean that the beer wasn't "treated" with an animal byproduct. The response from Youngs is typical: "We do not use any animal products in our beers." A brewery could stop at this point. However, Youngs do go on to say: "We do however use isinglass finings in all our beers except our two lagers." Not all breweries might add that information, especially if they are using glycerol monostearate or some other animal byproduct in the treatment of the beer.
Sourced information regarding animal products in beers would be usefully placed in Vegetarianism and beer rather than directly in the beer and brewery articles. SilkTork * YES! 20:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Over a year ago, Beakerboy proposed that national examples in beer articles should be limited to three per country with, as I recall, one extra for the country that developed the type of beer. Most other editors agreed with him. Last August, a new editor appeared and immediately complained about this rule, so a few people gave up and the list of examples was increased to eight per country with none extra for the country that developed the type of beer. That "new editor" then disappeared.
The problem that Beakerboy and many other editors saw was that users, often non-registered, would add their local beer or the beer they produce to the lists regardless of what agreement was in place. Several articles now have lists that are longer than the article itself. Also, there is no one really enforcing these agreements.
So, I would now like to propose that we drop the Examples all together. Since most of the Examples are only available locally anyhow, we are not necessarily providing much of a service. Secondly, we are not Ratebeer or Beeradvocate and should not try to emulate them. And finally, if we have no examples, no one can complain that country A has six beers listed and country B only has five. Thoughts? Mikebe ( talk) 15:23, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not keen on lists within articles as they don't tell us much. Lists within articles are generally discouraged on Wikipedia. I would say the approach is to write about a beer and in the text to include notable examples, with an explanation of why that example is notable (first of it's type, biggest seller, most extreme example, one most written about, etc) - and that lists of examples should be diminished as pointless. SilkTork * YES! 23:42, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello, your friendly neighborhood maintenance man here: I need some help with some issues on the Portal and Project pages:
Remember, any help you give me can help you by bringing attention to the subject of Beer and new members to your project.
-- Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 23:01, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.
All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. — Delievered by §hepBot ( Disable) on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 04:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks. — Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 08:51, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)
How much - if any - information do we need on packaging of individual brands? My inclination is that unless the packing is notable or interesting in some way, then it's rather trivial information that is perhaps best left out. However, if people feel that some packaging information can be meaningful and helpful, then how do we incorporate it into articles? I suspect most people would feel that an entire section on everyday packaging is too much - but would some mention of the typical packaging and size in a general description of the brand be OK? Some possible choices:
I am inclined to go with #2, though I have no huge objections to #3 if it can be contained, and not drift into trivia. I feel #4 is excessive. SilkTork * YES! 14:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
There's been a few adjustments to our project page - Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer. The aim is to declutter, make navigation easier, and to focus on our core tasks and aims. New subpages have been created, and these can be accessed alongside existing subpages from a main navigation pad high up on the page. The page is now cleaner and shorter. The intention is that the page should not need manually updating - alerts, assessment and cleanup tags are maintained automatically. Areas that needed manually updating have been removed, as these can become out-of-date quickly and can give the appearance that this project is not active. Feedback on the changes would be appreciated. SilkTork * YES! 23:36, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I've been using googlemaps and the ElevationContour gadget to produce a list of pubs over 1000ft (and one below sea level).
Its in my sandbox.
[2]
Is there any place for this, or some of it, on wiki?
I only signed up the other day and dont want to get too involved...or upset anyone
Frisasu (
talk)
20:42, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if I could establish a consensus for "re-establishing" the article on Old Speckled Hen. It currently redirects to Greene King Brewery, with a small section in that article. However, I think it has notability in its own right an could be a decent article. As such, I would like to shorten the section in the brewery article and add a link to the "main article" of the beer. I'm happy to do the work on the article but I want to establish consensus so people don't go hastily nominating it for deletion. For the record, there is a precedent for articles on an individual beer. See Stella Artois, Budweiser (Anheuser-Busch) and probably others. HJMitchell You rang? 22:52, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt ( talk) 01:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Template:Brewbox begin and its various sister templates which form the "brewbox" infobox have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.
Chris Cunningham (not at work) -
talk
10:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
I've declined the db-nonsense speedy deletion, but this one needs help. Bad. (My partner likes this beer. Don't let it die!) - Dank ( push to talk) 04:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I encountered an article on Scientific American about a company making historical beers and beer like beverages based upon chemical analysis of archeological artifacts from around the globe. it is here. -- Jeremy ( blah blah) 22:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Could someone take a look at Two Brothers Brewing, esp. This edit? — goethean ॐ 01:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
The article was in a mess. I have started a tidy up. It could do with a bit more; however, the company is notable enough to remain on Wikipedia. There are a number of reliable sources, including two books, and a handful of newspapers. SilkTork * YES! 19:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
We welcome scrutiny of articles on Wikipedia. You have questioned the notability of the Two Brothers Brewing article and three experienced editors have looked into the matter and informed you that in their opinion it meets Wikipedia's requirements. We have also informed you that there is a process for questioning the notability of an article, which is raising it at WP:AFD. Things may have changed, but a person needs to register in order to list an article at AFD - this is to prevent disruptive listing. I have suggested you register in order to list the article at AFD.
Even though we feel your edits are nonconstructive, time-wasting and disruptive, we are engaging in discussion with you in an attempt to explain our thinking, and the processes open to you. I feel we are giving you and your arguments rather more consideration than your behaviour deserves, given that you persist in cutting the article despite what has been said to you. I have again protected the article as this, I feel, will reduce disruption while allowing you to have your say. The alternative would be that your IP address would be blocked if you continued to remove legitimate content from an article after several warnings.
I again suggest you register your account and follow the appropriate channels. This should satisfy you that the article has been appropriately considered as notable. SilkTork * YES! 11:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I am requesting a tool which lists beer pages that are the most frequently read (or hit) by Wiki readers - [4]. Looks useful. 23:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
This is the proposed naming convention on cuisines that has been percolating for some time, I would like to request all members to please take a look and comment on its talk page. This is a very important rule set that needs to be decided upon, if you wish to establish or please comment under the appropriate section. -- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 07:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Could someone have a look at the above article and tidy up?
As you will see from the history, I expanded it, but I know nothing about the company (or beers - apart from liking some of them!)
I'm not sure how to fill in the InfoBox, so I only put one ale in it!
To be honest, I only worked on the article because it was in the unreferenced articles category, and I was finding a couple of sources, and got carried away... but I am aware of the fact that someone who knows this area needs to look at it.
Regards, -- PhantomSteve ( Contact Me, My Contribs) 19:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed a few pub articles starting to spring up. Could you therefore include pubs in your notability guidelines? I'm wondering what makes a pub notable for Wikipedia, and also if a group of pubs are not notable for individual articles, whether it would be acceptable to create List of pubs in MyTown? Also, does your project view local CAMRA branch newsletters as reliable sources or not? Thanks... sorry that's quite a few questions. -- Jameboy ( talk) 19:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
As the Beer project has developed we have devised some Beer and Brewery InfoBoxes. Over the years a number of these have been deprecated and sometimes deleted. For breweries and beer companies we then had the {{ Infobox Brewery}}. On major beer company articles people from outside and inside the project were using the standard {{ Infobox Company}}. This sometimes led to edit wars with people preferring one over the other, or both would appear on the article. There has been for some time now a trend to standardisation across Wikipedia to aid navigation for the general reader. As such it was decided to go with the general {{ Infobox Company}}. This information has been on the main page - Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer and the template page Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer/templates since earlier this year when the BeerBox was depreciated and deleted; however, not everyone is aware of it.
The three main differences between {{ Infobox Brewery}} and {{ Infobox Company}} are that 1) {{ Infobox Company}} is the standard template used across Wikipedia for companies, and gets wide attention from writers and editors so it is maintained to a high standard and contains a good range of fields that make comparison between brewing and other companies easier for the general reader. 2) {{ Infobox Company}} does not encourage a list of beers - such embedded lists are discouraged across Wikipedia and here on the beer project 3) {{ Infobox Company}} does not contain the beer project yellow colour band.
The fields:
Infobox Brewery
{{Infobox Brewery | name = | image = | caption = | location = | owner = | opened = | closed = | production = | url = | active_beers = | seasonal_beers = | other_beers = | inactive_beers = }}
Infobox Company (Fields selected for the Beer Project)
{{Infobox Company | name = | logo = | type = | predecessor = | successor = | foundation = | founder = | defunct = | location_city = | location_country = | locations = | area_served = | key_people = | industry = [[Alcoholic beverage]] | products = [[Beer]] | production = | revenue = | owner = | num_employees = | parent = | divisions = | subsid = | homepage = | footnotes = | intl = yes }}
Infobox Company (Fuller list of fields which can be added by choice)
{{Infobox Company | name = | logo = | type = | genre = | fate = | predecessor = | successor = | foundation = | founder = | defunct = | location_city = | location_country = | location = | locations = | area_served = | key_people = | industry = | products = | production = | services = | revenue = | operating_income = | net_income = | aum = | assets = | equity = | owner = | num_employees = | parent = | divisions = | subsid = | homepage = | footnotes = | intl = }}
There have been individual conversations about the use of these boxes over the years, but I don't think there has been anything recent on this talkpage. Comments? SilkTork * YES! 10:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Discussion to change the name of Guinness to Guinness Draught to clarify that the article is about the brand rather than the company or the brewery (for which we already have separate articles). SilkTork * YES! 10:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)