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There is a discussion about the incorporation of the METAR into the Airblue Flight 202 on the talk page. Input from members of this WP is requested. Mjroots ( talk) 08:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
An editor has opened up a new sectionand modified the show's template. The only problem is- I've found no independent confirmation for the new episodes this editor has listed.
There has been a history of erroneous episodes for this show in the past. Look at the template's edit history, Mayday episodes were supposed to be made about Northwest Airlines Flight 5, Air New Zealand Flight 901, and China Airlines Flight 140. None of them were ever done.
I think the Season 8 entries should be deleted till some confirmation is received. Anyone agree or disagree with me? Please give me some input. I'm willing to revert the entries and take resulting heat but prefer to have editorial consensus first.- William 18:22, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
See here. MickMacNee ( talk) 01:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I've just been watching a bit of No Highway in the Sky (1951) depicting a commercial jet airliner with a huge, continuous strip of windows like in a tour bus. The film is more than a little absurd, but I've seen such things before in the old movies. Someone at that article suggested it was based on the de Havilland Comet, which from the photos seemed to have nicer windows than current planes, but not to that extreme. I'm curious how large windows did get in the early days of commercial aviation. Wnt ( talk) 14:43, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
This is to notify members of this project that this article, which falls within the scope of this project, has been nominated for deletion. Interested editors may add their comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of flight schools. - Ahunt ( talk) 19:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I have finished tagging them all for notability and refs as applicable. I have found that AfD is actually a very good way to make the encyclopedia better. In general poor quality articles articles taken there get either improved quickly or deleted, which in both cases improves the encyclopedia. In some cases I have taken a poor article to AfD and had everyone say "keep" as a worthwhile topic but no improvements are made. In that case I usually reduce it to a stub article as a way of starting over. - Ahunt ( talk) 23:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
On William Frederick James Harvey an IP who is trying to contribute appropriate content could use some help dealing with vandal fighters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.43.31 ( talk)
The British European Airways Flight 548 article is currently at FAC. Can we please have some input this time round as it was not promoted last time due to a lack of reviewers. Mjroots ( talk)
Just a heads-up. The AAIB was known as the Accidents Investigation Branch until November 1987. Therefore any mention of them in articles covering accidents up to November 1987 should use the Accidents Investigation Branch link and not the Air Accidents Investigation Branch link. Mjroots ( talk) 06:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The above article is currently undergoing A-class review under WP:MILHIST at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Boeing B-52 Stratofortress. Please take a minute to drop by. Thanks, Airplaneman ✈ 21:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
For those interested I have nominated Skydrift Air Charter for deletion at AfD. YSSYguy ( talk) 09:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
The question of a number of deaths not establishing notability has reared its head again. Therefore I've proposed an amendment to WP:AIRCRASH at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Notability#Automatic notability. Please feel free to give your views. Mjroots ( talk) 21:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
G'day all, the 2010 Flight International World Airliner census is available online via this link. YSSYguy ( talk) 16:18, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
For those interested I have nominated SaxonAir for deletion at AfD. YSSYguy ( talk) 12:24, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
A spate of submissions about the pilot Lynn Garrison have been appearing, see North American P-51 Mustang and Canadair CT-133 Silver Star, with some reversions taking place: here. This could be a conflict-of-interest issue. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 18:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC).
G'day all, just came across Flight inspection while looking for a general article about aviation navaids (there is a nautical-focused article navigation aid that mentions aircraft in passing). First of all, any suggestions as to what to do with the flight inspection article? Second, assuming one doesn't already exist that I haven't found, should we have an aviation-focused navaid article? Do we just expand the existing navigation aid article? YSSYguy ( talk) 07:35, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I've left a query at Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests#Timeline of aviation that editors of this wikiproject might be able to assist with some aspects of. Thanks. -- Quiddity ( talk) 22:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
This is to inform members of this project, within whose scope this article falls, that User:76.66.193.119 has nominated this article for deletion. Interested project members are invited to add their thoughts on this proposal at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of surviving F-4 Phantom IIs. - Ahunt ( talk) 20:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
The AAIB have released a Formal Report into an incident at St Kitts on 26 September 2009 in which take-off was initiated from the wrong position. Currently, the report on the AAIB website won't open for me, but it is also reported by the Aviation Herald. Is this incident significant enough to be mentioned under the Airline, Aircraft and Airport articles? If so, would it also be notable enough to sustain an article of its own? Mjroots ( talk) 14:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
The UPS Airlines Flight 6 article is currently at AfD. Mjroots ( talk) 05:51, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Not to get too technical here, but for the purposes of CIVIL, there is a world of difference between self-identifying as a 'deletionist', and being labelled by someone else as a 'deletionist'. I won't even bother commenting on being called a troll and the other nonsense. As they say, the best way to deal with incivility when it's directed at you, is to ignore it. MickMacNee ( talk) 01:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I have closed this discussion as it appears to be going downhill fast and to prevent any further potential WP:CIVIL issues. Suggest that any comments about aircraft accidents be taken to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Aviation accident task force, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 09:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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WP:AIRCRASH does not seem to have as much support as it used to do. It also has a couple of gaps which I have unsuccessfully tried to fill without success. Therefore, I've put down my thoughts on the notability of aircraft crashes at User:Mjroots/Notability of Aircraft Accidents. I must stress that, at the moment, these are just my views. I would ask editors to discuss any issues they have on that page's talk page rather than editing my views (I've got the page watchlisted). I'm trying to simplify WP:AIRCRASH using aviation industry weight bands. I have specifically avoided lighter-than-air craft as I believe there is little dispute over notability for accidents involving these aircraft. Mjroots ( talk) 10:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
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FYI, Project Icarus has been proposed to be split. 76.66.197.151 ( talk) 01:19, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Contested PROD of Qantas Flight 74. Definitely should go to AFD. - BilCat ( talk) 10:22, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Several disambig links to " Dive" are from articles describing the dive of an aircraft. There is no correct link to point them to, but an article on diving as an aerial maneuver would fit in with other existing articles on aerial maneuvers. Can anyone put one together? bd2412 T 20:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Descent (aircraft) sounds like the perfect, ahem, landing place for discussion of this concept. I suppose it is impossible to "dive up". bd2412 T 18:29, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
The Alrosa Mirny Air Enterprise Flight 514 has been taken to AfD as a contested PROD. Mjroots ( talk) 10:44, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Does exactly what it says on the tin. See Wikipedia:Notability (fatal hull loss civil aviation accidents) for details. MickMacNee ( talk) 16:50, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
There is a need for an aircraft recycling page that incorporates aircraft boneyards. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 09:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
I have just PRODded Cathay Pacific Flight 256; my mind boggles. YSSYguy ( talk) 23:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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Just came across this by "random article" clicking, and I'm questioning whether it's appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia. It's not my area of expertise, so I thought it best to raise the issue here rather than list it for deletion. A similar list was once deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Airbus orders and deliveries. It looks like just raw data to me, not an article, and data that is too prone to change; it's a list of customers who have ordered a product, and whether or not that product has been delivered. Whether the order has been filled is too transitory, and that the order has been filled seems to be a very indirect way of saying that a given airline now has this aircraft. So the only encyclopedic element I can glean from it might be which airlines have Boeing 737s in their fleets, but we already have that in List of Boeing 737 operators. Thoughts? postdlf ( talk) 16:57, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Boeing 737 orders now live. Thanks for your comments. postdlf ( talk) 22:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
FYI there is a malformed AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coanda-1910 where no article has been tagged with the AfD template. As Coanda-1910 claims to be the first jet airplane... I thought I'd let you know. 76.66.200.95 ( talk) 01:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
The Wind Jet Flight 243 article is currently at AfD. Mjroots ( talk) 06:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Really need some help here, as an image is being challenged, albeit, IMHO, it is historically significant. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 18:28, 30 September 2010 (UTC).
I've reverted the Jat Airways article to what I think is the last good version after an IP removed ⅔ of the content overnight. I've also semi-protected the article for a week. If any editor feels that they can improve the article or that it should be reverted to a different version, please feel free to do so. Mjroots ( talk) 05:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Who is running the contest, because it seems to be down. WikiCopter ( radio • sorties • images • shot down) 00:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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User:Pjsgroup created the Private Jet Group article about 2 months ago. The username indicates an probable COI, and the article somewhat advert-like, though I've seen alot worse. Any suggestions on what to do with this one? - BilCat ( talk) 14:52, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
The article has now been PRODded as not asserting notability. The company seems to be failry large per its website, so finding third-party sources shouldn't be difficult if that's true. - BilCat ( talk) 15:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
A quick Google search hasn't turned up much on the company, so a PROD/AFD appears to be the best route. - BilCat ( talk) 15:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
FYI, Coandă-1910 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is undergoing an edit war, and has been protected multiple times. 76.66.200.95 ( talk) 05:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I attempted to create an article on the record setting ornithopter at WT:Articles for creation/Snowbird (ornithopter), but it was refused as it is currently written about one event, so could someone help out with making it better? 76.66.200.95 ( talk) 04:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
FYI, Bede Wing has been nominated for deletion. 76.66.200.95 ( talk) 06:51, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
The inclusion criterion for template:International Airshows is not clear. Please assist in establishing consensus for this. There is some discussion at Template talk:International Airshows. Colonel Warden ( talk) 00:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
In response to a suggestion (& realizing I should have done it before now... :( ), I'm proposing a move for Arado Ar E.381 and Arado Ar E.340, to Arado E.381 and Arado E.340 (now redirects), respectively. Since they never became operational, IMO the "Ar" is inappropriate. Comment is welcomed. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 02:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Just for those that dont normally follow WP:AIRLINES the inclusion of detailed aircraft histories in airline articles ( Aden Airways) has been challenged and the raised at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Airlines#Detailed aircraft histories. Comments welcome. MilborneOne ( talk) 10:19, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Airlines#Detailed aircraft histories
Please note the angry and disruptive editing of the following record. It involves an opinionated but unverified set of changes. Can anything be done? FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 14:41, 24 October 2010 (UTC).
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I recently met a guy who was in this this incident. One of Tony Blair's children was on the flight. The way he tells the story, the plane dropped 11,000 feet... this BBC article says 300 feet, but it was at the moment of the incident, so maybe there was more information available later. The guy told me it was BA016 Brisbane to Singapore, I think. Anyway, I bet him Wikipedia had an article (not really a bet, but just you know "I bet Wikipedia has an article") and it seems we don't! So I figured you folks would be the right place to ask about it. :)-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 02:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
What is the actual designation for the aircraft or should there be an alternative designation given? FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 17:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC).
Hi there I have just created Richard John Cork a Fleet Air Arm pilot who was the wingman for Douglas Bader during the Battle of Britain. Also the only FAA pilot to shoot down five aircraft in a day. Sounds interesting ? yes but badly needs an image of Cork, posting here in case anyone from this project has better luck than myself in finding one.-- Jim Sweeney ( talk) 11:40, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Did Transamerica Airlines ( Trans International Airlines) ever operate or lease a Lockheed Tristar? Why I ask is that I distinctly recall seeing such a plane in TIA colours at Vancouver Airport (YVR) on the night of July 6, 1979 while waiting to board another flight.-- Davidjsc ( talk) 06:45, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I've nominated British Airways Flight 38 as a candidate for elevation to Good Article status. Mjroots ( talk) 20:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
An Airbus A380 has suffered an uncontained engine failure, followed by a successful emergency landing in Singapore. Discussion about the inclusion of the incident in the A380 article (and other articles) is at talk:Airbus A380#Incident - 4 Nov 2010. Mjroots ( talk) 05:31, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
The current guideline WP:AIRCRASH on aircraft accidents and incidents does not appear to reflect the consensus of the community. The current guideline is being used equally by both sides in deletion discussions and the scoreboard type effect does not help these discussion. Following comments from other editors that the guideline is not really fit as it stands, I would like to propose that a new AIRCRASH guideline currently drafted at Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Aviation accident task force/Notability be used as the guideline for aircraft accidents and incidents. Any comments for or against are welcome at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Aviation accident task force/Notability. MilborneOne ( talk) 13:03, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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Working on an article on airline scope clauses. Not having much success with finding reliable sources. If anyone wants to help the article is in my sandbox. N419 BH 05:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
For anyone interested in the views of one of the most prominent of early aviation pioneers, Claude Grahame-White, see his book "The Aeroplane; Past, Present, and Future" (1911). Large sections of the book are available online via Google books. Grahame-White's views about the future of aviation, as well as those of other notable characters of the time, are towards the end of the book, and they make fascinating reading almost 100 years later. -- TraceyR ( talk) 11:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Project members may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SkyVector.com. MilborneOne ( talk) 21:20, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Found this while rummaging through "articles without infoboxes". The company seems to have been borderline notable at best to start with and, judging by its link, doesn't exist anymore. So I've prodded it. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 18:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Categories on transportation accidents are hyped up to "disasters" as you go up the line in categorization. I have recategorized CSX 8888 incident and Category:Maritime incidents so they roll up into categorized "incidents" all the way up the line. Before, it rolled up into "accident" categories, which, in turn, rolled up into "Disaster" categories! While I have changed it for these few incidents (for CSX for 2001 only, for example), many other categories need to be defined to replace ones that wrongly promote into worse-sounding categories.
Note that Aviation was particularly careful in defining its categories to "accidents and incidents" (see for example [1] Category:Aviation accidents and incidents but nonetheless, these too are rolled up into "disasters" further up the line. Student7 ( talk) 14:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
A heads up that Fltplan.com is at Articles for deletion. In addition, EgyptAir Flight 763 is also at AfD. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 01:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
The Sun Way Flight 4412 article has been nominated for deletion. Mjroots ( talk) 19:23, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Emirates Flight 407 has been procedurally re-nominated for deletion. Mjroots ( talk) 20:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Heads up that KAL 007: The Naval Search is at AfD here, while List of Russian aviators is also at AfD here. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 02:15, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Something familar about new user User:Ben Gills articles particular the bad spelling, anybody experienced in raising WP:SPI with reference to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ryan kirkpatrick/Archive? MilborneOne ( talk) 14:55, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
A heads-up that Comfort Air is up at Articles for Deletion. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
FYI, there is a proposal for WikiProject NASA, it is also under discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Space/2010 Reorganisation as to whether it belongs under WP:Spaceflight as a task force. It has also been noted at WP:USA as part of their reorganization efforts. As NASA is heavily active in aeronautics research (accident statistics, rime icing, hypersonic flight, etc), you might want to participate at the WP:SPACE discussion. 65.93.12.43 ( talk) 07:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
FedEx Express Flight 647 has been nominated for deletion Mjroots ( talk) 09:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
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I have a general comment regarding navigating around the various Aviation WikiProjects and subpages: it's difficult. Have other people found it difficult, or is it just me? For example, some (but not all) project pages use the Tabs header (either {{ WPAVIATION tabs}} or {{ WPAVIATION task force tabs}}), which includes the inter-project links below the tabs, as well as transcluding the navigation box {{ WPAVIATION Navigation}}. Many tabs don't actually have subpages to which they correspond, and the number of distinct talk pages which occur under the WP:Aviation umbrella is surprisingly large - this might make it unclear to some editors where to ask questions. To add to the confusion, some entire pages transclude other pages (such as Wikipedia:WikiProject_Airports/page_content), apparently to make the Tabs template work.
My understanding is that most of the layout was done by Trevor MacInnis in mid-2008. I think this navigation system could be simplified, which could improve the accessibility of these projects. So my question would be: Is there a desire to change the current system? Mlm42 ( talk) 00:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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template:WPAVIATION Toolbar was nominated for deletion, this is one of your documented templates. 65.94.46.54 ( talk) 08:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
light fighter has been nominated for deletion. 65.94.46.54 ( talk) 08:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
I need a TAF translated please - EDDH 101200Z 101322 31010KT 9999 FEW025 TEMPO 1320 29020G40KT 3000 TSRA BKN013CB Tempo 1922 4000 RA BKN014 Ta muchly. Mjroots ( talk) 09:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
FYI, over one thousand categories have been nominated for renaming. See WP:CFDALL in the "speedy" renaming section. 65.95.14.34 ( talk) 06:26, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Dear friends and wikicollegue, Marry Christmas and happy New Year from me and from The Dirty Dozen of italian-aviation-writers. :-)-- Threecharlie ( talk) 01:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Douglas Bader is being reviewed for GA listing. It has been put on hold for an initial 14 days to allow issues such as prose, inline citing and detailed coverage to be addressed. SilkTork * YES! 16:36, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm touring England in early May with the wife, and as a first-time visitor to the UK and a life-long WWII history buff I intend to see a few of England's finest war museums such as the Imperial in London. Another obvious choice is IWM Duxford where a great collection of antique aircraft can be found. What other locations are worth a stop? Any old air bases or Chain Home stations kept up? Is Bletchley Park a good day trip? Are there any preserved bits of Hugh Dowding's Fighter Command control center? Is there really nothing left of Castle Bromwich? Will the RAF Radar museum in Norfolk be re-opened by May?
To prevent mental whiplash, we will limit our visit to mid- and south England, saving the North and Scotland for some future time. Binksternet ( talk) 17:55, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
User:Petebutt has changed British Royal Air Force on the Royal Air Force Museum London to the clumsy Royal Air Force, (air arm of the United Kingdom). I have reverted it but he has changed it again. Can somebody have a look as I have always understood British Royal Air Force as a norm when RAF is first mentioned as not all readers may know that the RAF is British. Thanks MilborneOne ( talk) 18:38, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I would be grateful for any comments! wacky wace 15:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Atmospheric reentry naming is under discussion, see talk:Atmospheric reentry, where the definition, usage, and relation to natural phenomena, and balance is noted. As this is an aeronautics topic, I thought I'd let you know. 184.144.161.173 ( talk) 20:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
According to this artile [2], the main runway is closed for repainting, its runway designation will be changed. How should we accomdate the change? SYSS Mouse ( talk) 20:32, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Ayaks "a hypersonic aircraft program started in the Soviet Union and currently under development in the Russian Federation". Is this credible? Sources are in Russian, so we need either a Russian speaker or someone with some technical knowledge.-- Scott Mac 20:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Turkish Airlines Flight 1754 has been nominated for deletion. Mjroots ( talk) 06:59, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Please access Template talk:Infobox airline if you know what the "Bases" entry in the infobox is intended to designate. (Maintenance bases? Moon bases as depicted in 2001: A Space Odyssey? An airline's favorite high pH chemicals?) More commentary there. Please respond there, not here - that page isn't too highly trafficked and I was concerned nobody would see my question for weeks if I didn't go begging for help on this page. Thanks. Ch Th Jo ( talk) 05:38, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Flightglobal.com has beed tagged for speedy deletion if anybody can help with references as to its significance and importance to the aerospace industry then your help would be appreciated, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 12:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
File:Coanda propeller - reconstruction.jpg has been nomiated for deletion. 65.93.14.29 ( talk) 04:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm the registration of the Blériot 135 that crashed near Tonbridge on 2 October 1926 whilst trying to make an emergency landing at Penshurst Airfield. Was it F-AGFA? Mjroots ( talk) 23:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
There is an issue dealing with VTOL, see Talk:VTVL for a merger discussion. 65.93.14.196 ( talk) 23:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
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Nominating template {{ SouthAmerica-airport-stub}}. No articles currently use this template, as associated national-level templates already exist. Dawynn ( talk) 19:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
{{ Rocket specifications-all}} has been nominated for deletion. 65.93.14.196 ( talk) 04:38, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
{{ RNoAF Squadron}} has been nominated for deletion. 65.93.14.196 ( talk) 06:02, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
File:Rising sun.svg has been nominated for deletion. It appears to be the Japanese Airforce roundel. ` 65.93.14.196 ( talk) 07:02, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I added an "Aircraft Component Manufacturers" task force to create articles about companies who manufacture aircraft components.-- Jax 0677 ( talk) 01:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Over at WP:SHIPS, they have a resources section, where useful sources of info in researching ship-related articles are housed. Does this WP have something similar, and if not, then should it? Mjroots ( talk) 20:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
I have recently learned that there is a supported method in Wikipedia to consolidate the discussion for a group of related article pages that have been divided up by size, typically because the list would be too large for a single article. There are a lot of List articles in the Aviation WikiProject, and it is often difficult to keep up with the Talk page discussions when they randomly appear on different Talk pages, even for the same subject. For example, List of aircraft is divided up into about a dozen articles ( List of aircraft (0-A), List of aircraft (N-Q), etc.) and List of World War I flying aces is divided up into ten articles (e.g., List of World War I aces credited with 9 victories, or List of World War I aces credited with 20 or more victories, etc.).
Currently, each of the many list articles in those examples has its own Talk page, which often makes it a bit difficult to have a cogent Talk page discussion about article improvement since the discussion must necessarily take place on a single Talk page that that may not be monitored by many folks.
The Wikipedia-supported method that could potentially improve on this is to basically to select one page as the central Talk page for a group of articles, and then redirect the several other Talk pages to that central page.
There is an example of how this can be done at Help talk:Cite errors — it uses the {{ central}} and {{ editnotice central}} to implement the consolidation.
Would appreciate your thoughts on both halves of the idea, the specific and the general. Cheers. N2e ( talk) 17:09, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Per the above consensus, I have attempted to make the various changes that centralise discussion for the dozen or so "List of aircraft (...)" articles. Please feel free to look it over to see how you think this is working. Remember, this is a trial project. If it works well here, others may wish to do the same with other large lists in WikiProject Aviation. Cheers. N2e ( talk) 16:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Today, an Etihad Airways flight was escorted into Stansted by the RAF due to an unruly passenger on board. There are rumours of a bomb threat being made. My addition of this incident to the Etihad Airways and London Stansted Airport articles has been reverted. The reverting editor is of the opinion that it is not notable enough to mention. Whilst current reporting indicates that the incident is not notable enough to sustain a stand-alone article, I believe it is sufficiently rare enough to be worth mentioning, due to the RAF escort. Without the latter, then it's just another operational hiccup. Opinions please on the notability or otherwise of the incident. Mjroots ( talk) 16:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Bomb threats aren't that rare. What is rare (in the UK at least) is the reaction in this case, it's not everyday that the RAF escorts an airliner into an airport. Mjroots ( talk) 20:19, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
As you can see, this is a redlink. However, we have numerous articles on airplanes referring to them by "block" numbers. For example:
What does it mean to say that an aircraft has a block number of this kind? Is this something worth having an article on (or do we have one that I have missed)? Cheers! bd2412 T 16:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
concerning hyphens, there is an RFC on the issue at WT:Manual of Style. As a blowup concerning a large number of aviation categories happened over this issue, you may be interested. 65.93.15.80 ( talk) 05:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Since this doesn't quite fall under the umbrella of any specific subproject, I thought I'd ask here. I've got two notability questions with regards to two articles I just stumbled upon.
First: what is the notability policy with regards to a specific flight route/path? Specifically I am referring to Singapore Airlines Flight 21. (No, it's not an accident, incident, or otherwise; it's just the longest non-stop flight in the world at present.) Frankly, why this route has its own article baffles me. I mean, if SQ21 gets an article, shouldn't the first regularly scheduled passenger transatlantic flight route get its own article? Transpacific? Transcontinental?
Second: Singapore Airlines Flight 380. The inaugural flight of the Airbus A380. Does this pass notability specs? (I will refrain from grandstanding like I did in the previous paragraph.)
Thanks. -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû ( blah?) 12:30, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Now, just to start this off, there is a bit of confusion as to when the RAF began to change its military designations as evidenced in the recent hubbub over the English Electric Lightning and Folland Gnat articles. I recall that the topic has been brought up before and the "standard" of Mk.1 and Mk 1 is now co-existing in a melange of formats in many articles, without a clear indication of when to use one or the other designation. The RAF now (since ?) is using a simplified system that eliminates the "dot." The "FG.1" has become the "FG 1" or "FG1" across the board, including back-dating some illustrious types such as the Supermarine Spitfire, Hawker Hurricane and Avro Lancaster in all their current literature. I have an extensive collection (my wife isn't reading this, is she?) of Aeroplane, Air Pictorial, Flypast, RAF Flying Review, and numerous other Brit magazines. Many of these were perfect barometers of the time and mirrored the current terminology. In and about 1968, the articles seemed to be diverting from using the "dot" and by the early 1980s, the "dot" was no longer to be found in RAF designations. I mark the change as 1983 in Air International and there was no diversion from that point on. This background is just to set the theme for the fun and frivolity that will surely ensue. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 23:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
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There is a discussion about the incorporation of the METAR into the Airblue Flight 202 on the talk page. Input from members of this WP is requested. Mjroots ( talk) 08:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
An editor has opened up a new sectionand modified the show's template. The only problem is- I've found no independent confirmation for the new episodes this editor has listed.
There has been a history of erroneous episodes for this show in the past. Look at the template's edit history, Mayday episodes were supposed to be made about Northwest Airlines Flight 5, Air New Zealand Flight 901, and China Airlines Flight 140. None of them were ever done.
I think the Season 8 entries should be deleted till some confirmation is received. Anyone agree or disagree with me? Please give me some input. I'm willing to revert the entries and take resulting heat but prefer to have editorial consensus first.- William 18:22, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
See here. MickMacNee ( talk) 01:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I've just been watching a bit of No Highway in the Sky (1951) depicting a commercial jet airliner with a huge, continuous strip of windows like in a tour bus. The film is more than a little absurd, but I've seen such things before in the old movies. Someone at that article suggested it was based on the de Havilland Comet, which from the photos seemed to have nicer windows than current planes, but not to that extreme. I'm curious how large windows did get in the early days of commercial aviation. Wnt ( talk) 14:43, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
This is to notify members of this project that this article, which falls within the scope of this project, has been nominated for deletion. Interested editors may add their comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of flight schools. - Ahunt ( talk) 19:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I have finished tagging them all for notability and refs as applicable. I have found that AfD is actually a very good way to make the encyclopedia better. In general poor quality articles articles taken there get either improved quickly or deleted, which in both cases improves the encyclopedia. In some cases I have taken a poor article to AfD and had everyone say "keep" as a worthwhile topic but no improvements are made. In that case I usually reduce it to a stub article as a way of starting over. - Ahunt ( talk) 23:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
On William Frederick James Harvey an IP who is trying to contribute appropriate content could use some help dealing with vandal fighters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.43.31 ( talk)
The British European Airways Flight 548 article is currently at FAC. Can we please have some input this time round as it was not promoted last time due to a lack of reviewers. Mjroots ( talk)
Just a heads-up. The AAIB was known as the Accidents Investigation Branch until November 1987. Therefore any mention of them in articles covering accidents up to November 1987 should use the Accidents Investigation Branch link and not the Air Accidents Investigation Branch link. Mjroots ( talk) 06:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The above article is currently undergoing A-class review under WP:MILHIST at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Boeing B-52 Stratofortress. Please take a minute to drop by. Thanks, Airplaneman ✈ 21:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
For those interested I have nominated Skydrift Air Charter for deletion at AfD. YSSYguy ( talk) 09:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
The question of a number of deaths not establishing notability has reared its head again. Therefore I've proposed an amendment to WP:AIRCRASH at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Notability#Automatic notability. Please feel free to give your views. Mjroots ( talk) 21:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
G'day all, the 2010 Flight International World Airliner census is available online via this link. YSSYguy ( talk) 16:18, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
For those interested I have nominated SaxonAir for deletion at AfD. YSSYguy ( talk) 12:24, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
A spate of submissions about the pilot Lynn Garrison have been appearing, see North American P-51 Mustang and Canadair CT-133 Silver Star, with some reversions taking place: here. This could be a conflict-of-interest issue. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 18:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC).
G'day all, just came across Flight inspection while looking for a general article about aviation navaids (there is a nautical-focused article navigation aid that mentions aircraft in passing). First of all, any suggestions as to what to do with the flight inspection article? Second, assuming one doesn't already exist that I haven't found, should we have an aviation-focused navaid article? Do we just expand the existing navigation aid article? YSSYguy ( talk) 07:35, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I've left a query at Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests#Timeline of aviation that editors of this wikiproject might be able to assist with some aspects of. Thanks. -- Quiddity ( talk) 22:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
This is to inform members of this project, within whose scope this article falls, that User:76.66.193.119 has nominated this article for deletion. Interested project members are invited to add their thoughts on this proposal at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of surviving F-4 Phantom IIs. - Ahunt ( talk) 20:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
The AAIB have released a Formal Report into an incident at St Kitts on 26 September 2009 in which take-off was initiated from the wrong position. Currently, the report on the AAIB website won't open for me, but it is also reported by the Aviation Herald. Is this incident significant enough to be mentioned under the Airline, Aircraft and Airport articles? If so, would it also be notable enough to sustain an article of its own? Mjroots ( talk) 14:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
The UPS Airlines Flight 6 article is currently at AfD. Mjroots ( talk) 05:51, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Not to get too technical here, but for the purposes of CIVIL, there is a world of difference between self-identifying as a 'deletionist', and being labelled by someone else as a 'deletionist'. I won't even bother commenting on being called a troll and the other nonsense. As they say, the best way to deal with incivility when it's directed at you, is to ignore it. MickMacNee ( talk) 01:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I have closed this discussion as it appears to be going downhill fast and to prevent any further potential WP:CIVIL issues. Suggest that any comments about aircraft accidents be taken to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Aviation accident task force, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 09:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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WP:AIRCRASH does not seem to have as much support as it used to do. It also has a couple of gaps which I have unsuccessfully tried to fill without success. Therefore, I've put down my thoughts on the notability of aircraft crashes at User:Mjroots/Notability of Aircraft Accidents. I must stress that, at the moment, these are just my views. I would ask editors to discuss any issues they have on that page's talk page rather than editing my views (I've got the page watchlisted). I'm trying to simplify WP:AIRCRASH using aviation industry weight bands. I have specifically avoided lighter-than-air craft as I believe there is little dispute over notability for accidents involving these aircraft. Mjroots ( talk) 10:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
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FYI, Project Icarus has been proposed to be split. 76.66.197.151 ( talk) 01:19, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Contested PROD of Qantas Flight 74. Definitely should go to AFD. - BilCat ( talk) 10:22, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Several disambig links to " Dive" are from articles describing the dive of an aircraft. There is no correct link to point them to, but an article on diving as an aerial maneuver would fit in with other existing articles on aerial maneuvers. Can anyone put one together? bd2412 T 20:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Descent (aircraft) sounds like the perfect, ahem, landing place for discussion of this concept. I suppose it is impossible to "dive up". bd2412 T 18:29, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
The Alrosa Mirny Air Enterprise Flight 514 has been taken to AfD as a contested PROD. Mjroots ( talk) 10:44, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Does exactly what it says on the tin. See Wikipedia:Notability (fatal hull loss civil aviation accidents) for details. MickMacNee ( talk) 16:50, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
There is a need for an aircraft recycling page that incorporates aircraft boneyards. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 09:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
I have just PRODded Cathay Pacific Flight 256; my mind boggles. YSSYguy ( talk) 23:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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Just came across this by "random article" clicking, and I'm questioning whether it's appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia. It's not my area of expertise, so I thought it best to raise the issue here rather than list it for deletion. A similar list was once deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Airbus orders and deliveries. It looks like just raw data to me, not an article, and data that is too prone to change; it's a list of customers who have ordered a product, and whether or not that product has been delivered. Whether the order has been filled is too transitory, and that the order has been filled seems to be a very indirect way of saying that a given airline now has this aircraft. So the only encyclopedic element I can glean from it might be which airlines have Boeing 737s in their fleets, but we already have that in List of Boeing 737 operators. Thoughts? postdlf ( talk) 16:57, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Boeing 737 orders now live. Thanks for your comments. postdlf ( talk) 22:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
FYI there is a malformed AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coanda-1910 where no article has been tagged with the AfD template. As Coanda-1910 claims to be the first jet airplane... I thought I'd let you know. 76.66.200.95 ( talk) 01:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
The Wind Jet Flight 243 article is currently at AfD. Mjroots ( talk) 06:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Really need some help here, as an image is being challenged, albeit, IMHO, it is historically significant. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 18:28, 30 September 2010 (UTC).
I've reverted the Jat Airways article to what I think is the last good version after an IP removed ⅔ of the content overnight. I've also semi-protected the article for a week. If any editor feels that they can improve the article or that it should be reverted to a different version, please feel free to do so. Mjroots ( talk) 05:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Who is running the contest, because it seems to be down. WikiCopter ( radio • sorties • images • shot down) 00:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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User:Pjsgroup created the Private Jet Group article about 2 months ago. The username indicates an probable COI, and the article somewhat advert-like, though I've seen alot worse. Any suggestions on what to do with this one? - BilCat ( talk) 14:52, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
The article has now been PRODded as not asserting notability. The company seems to be failry large per its website, so finding third-party sources shouldn't be difficult if that's true. - BilCat ( talk) 15:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
A quick Google search hasn't turned up much on the company, so a PROD/AFD appears to be the best route. - BilCat ( talk) 15:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
FYI, Coandă-1910 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is undergoing an edit war, and has been protected multiple times. 76.66.200.95 ( talk) 05:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I attempted to create an article on the record setting ornithopter at WT:Articles for creation/Snowbird (ornithopter), but it was refused as it is currently written about one event, so could someone help out with making it better? 76.66.200.95 ( talk) 04:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
FYI, Bede Wing has been nominated for deletion. 76.66.200.95 ( talk) 06:51, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
The inclusion criterion for template:International Airshows is not clear. Please assist in establishing consensus for this. There is some discussion at Template talk:International Airshows. Colonel Warden ( talk) 00:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
In response to a suggestion (& realizing I should have done it before now... :( ), I'm proposing a move for Arado Ar E.381 and Arado Ar E.340, to Arado E.381 and Arado E.340 (now redirects), respectively. Since they never became operational, IMO the "Ar" is inappropriate. Comment is welcomed. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 02:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Just for those that dont normally follow WP:AIRLINES the inclusion of detailed aircraft histories in airline articles ( Aden Airways) has been challenged and the raised at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Airlines#Detailed aircraft histories. Comments welcome. MilborneOne ( talk) 10:19, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Airlines#Detailed aircraft histories
Please note the angry and disruptive editing of the following record. It involves an opinionated but unverified set of changes. Can anything be done? FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 14:41, 24 October 2010 (UTC).
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I recently met a guy who was in this this incident. One of Tony Blair's children was on the flight. The way he tells the story, the plane dropped 11,000 feet... this BBC article says 300 feet, but it was at the moment of the incident, so maybe there was more information available later. The guy told me it was BA016 Brisbane to Singapore, I think. Anyway, I bet him Wikipedia had an article (not really a bet, but just you know "I bet Wikipedia has an article") and it seems we don't! So I figured you folks would be the right place to ask about it. :)-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 02:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
What is the actual designation for the aircraft or should there be an alternative designation given? FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 17:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC).
Hi there I have just created Richard John Cork a Fleet Air Arm pilot who was the wingman for Douglas Bader during the Battle of Britain. Also the only FAA pilot to shoot down five aircraft in a day. Sounds interesting ? yes but badly needs an image of Cork, posting here in case anyone from this project has better luck than myself in finding one.-- Jim Sweeney ( talk) 11:40, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Did Transamerica Airlines ( Trans International Airlines) ever operate or lease a Lockheed Tristar? Why I ask is that I distinctly recall seeing such a plane in TIA colours at Vancouver Airport (YVR) on the night of July 6, 1979 while waiting to board another flight.-- Davidjsc ( talk) 06:45, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I've nominated British Airways Flight 38 as a candidate for elevation to Good Article status. Mjroots ( talk) 20:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
An Airbus A380 has suffered an uncontained engine failure, followed by a successful emergency landing in Singapore. Discussion about the inclusion of the incident in the A380 article (and other articles) is at talk:Airbus A380#Incident - 4 Nov 2010. Mjroots ( talk) 05:31, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
The current guideline WP:AIRCRASH on aircraft accidents and incidents does not appear to reflect the consensus of the community. The current guideline is being used equally by both sides in deletion discussions and the scoreboard type effect does not help these discussion. Following comments from other editors that the guideline is not really fit as it stands, I would like to propose that a new AIRCRASH guideline currently drafted at Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Aviation accident task force/Notability be used as the guideline for aircraft accidents and incidents. Any comments for or against are welcome at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Aviation accident task force/Notability. MilborneOne ( talk) 13:03, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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Working on an article on airline scope clauses. Not having much success with finding reliable sources. If anyone wants to help the article is in my sandbox. N419 BH 05:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
For anyone interested in the views of one of the most prominent of early aviation pioneers, Claude Grahame-White, see his book "The Aeroplane; Past, Present, and Future" (1911). Large sections of the book are available online via Google books. Grahame-White's views about the future of aviation, as well as those of other notable characters of the time, are towards the end of the book, and they make fascinating reading almost 100 years later. -- TraceyR ( talk) 11:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Project members may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SkyVector.com. MilborneOne ( talk) 21:20, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Found this while rummaging through "articles without infoboxes". The company seems to have been borderline notable at best to start with and, judging by its link, doesn't exist anymore. So I've prodded it. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 18:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Categories on transportation accidents are hyped up to "disasters" as you go up the line in categorization. I have recategorized CSX 8888 incident and Category:Maritime incidents so they roll up into categorized "incidents" all the way up the line. Before, it rolled up into "accident" categories, which, in turn, rolled up into "Disaster" categories! While I have changed it for these few incidents (for CSX for 2001 only, for example), many other categories need to be defined to replace ones that wrongly promote into worse-sounding categories.
Note that Aviation was particularly careful in defining its categories to "accidents and incidents" (see for example [1] Category:Aviation accidents and incidents but nonetheless, these too are rolled up into "disasters" further up the line. Student7 ( talk) 14:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
A heads up that Fltplan.com is at Articles for deletion. In addition, EgyptAir Flight 763 is also at AfD. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 01:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
The Sun Way Flight 4412 article has been nominated for deletion. Mjroots ( talk) 19:23, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Emirates Flight 407 has been procedurally re-nominated for deletion. Mjroots ( talk) 20:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Heads up that KAL 007: The Naval Search is at AfD here, while List of Russian aviators is also at AfD here. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 02:15, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Something familar about new user User:Ben Gills articles particular the bad spelling, anybody experienced in raising WP:SPI with reference to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ryan kirkpatrick/Archive? MilborneOne ( talk) 14:55, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
A heads-up that Comfort Air is up at Articles for Deletion. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
FYI, there is a proposal for WikiProject NASA, it is also under discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Space/2010 Reorganisation as to whether it belongs under WP:Spaceflight as a task force. It has also been noted at WP:USA as part of their reorganization efforts. As NASA is heavily active in aeronautics research (accident statistics, rime icing, hypersonic flight, etc), you might want to participate at the WP:SPACE discussion. 65.93.12.43 ( talk) 07:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
FedEx Express Flight 647 has been nominated for deletion Mjroots ( talk) 09:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
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I have a general comment regarding navigating around the various Aviation WikiProjects and subpages: it's difficult. Have other people found it difficult, or is it just me? For example, some (but not all) project pages use the Tabs header (either {{ WPAVIATION tabs}} or {{ WPAVIATION task force tabs}}), which includes the inter-project links below the tabs, as well as transcluding the navigation box {{ WPAVIATION Navigation}}. Many tabs don't actually have subpages to which they correspond, and the number of distinct talk pages which occur under the WP:Aviation umbrella is surprisingly large - this might make it unclear to some editors where to ask questions. To add to the confusion, some entire pages transclude other pages (such as Wikipedia:WikiProject_Airports/page_content), apparently to make the Tabs template work.
My understanding is that most of the layout was done by Trevor MacInnis in mid-2008. I think this navigation system could be simplified, which could improve the accessibility of these projects. So my question would be: Is there a desire to change the current system? Mlm42 ( talk) 00:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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template:WPAVIATION Toolbar was nominated for deletion, this is one of your documented templates. 65.94.46.54 ( talk) 08:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
light fighter has been nominated for deletion. 65.94.46.54 ( talk) 08:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
I need a TAF translated please - EDDH 101200Z 101322 31010KT 9999 FEW025 TEMPO 1320 29020G40KT 3000 TSRA BKN013CB Tempo 1922 4000 RA BKN014 Ta muchly. Mjroots ( talk) 09:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
FYI, over one thousand categories have been nominated for renaming. See WP:CFDALL in the "speedy" renaming section. 65.95.14.34 ( talk) 06:26, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Dear friends and wikicollegue, Marry Christmas and happy New Year from me and from The Dirty Dozen of italian-aviation-writers. :-)-- Threecharlie ( talk) 01:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Douglas Bader is being reviewed for GA listing. It has been put on hold for an initial 14 days to allow issues such as prose, inline citing and detailed coverage to be addressed. SilkTork * YES! 16:36, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm touring England in early May with the wife, and as a first-time visitor to the UK and a life-long WWII history buff I intend to see a few of England's finest war museums such as the Imperial in London. Another obvious choice is IWM Duxford where a great collection of antique aircraft can be found. What other locations are worth a stop? Any old air bases or Chain Home stations kept up? Is Bletchley Park a good day trip? Are there any preserved bits of Hugh Dowding's Fighter Command control center? Is there really nothing left of Castle Bromwich? Will the RAF Radar museum in Norfolk be re-opened by May?
To prevent mental whiplash, we will limit our visit to mid- and south England, saving the North and Scotland for some future time. Binksternet ( talk) 17:55, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
User:Petebutt has changed British Royal Air Force on the Royal Air Force Museum London to the clumsy Royal Air Force, (air arm of the United Kingdom). I have reverted it but he has changed it again. Can somebody have a look as I have always understood British Royal Air Force as a norm when RAF is first mentioned as not all readers may know that the RAF is British. Thanks MilborneOne ( talk) 18:38, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I would be grateful for any comments! wacky wace 15:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Atmospheric reentry naming is under discussion, see talk:Atmospheric reentry, where the definition, usage, and relation to natural phenomena, and balance is noted. As this is an aeronautics topic, I thought I'd let you know. 184.144.161.173 ( talk) 20:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
According to this artile [2], the main runway is closed for repainting, its runway designation will be changed. How should we accomdate the change? SYSS Mouse ( talk) 20:32, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Ayaks "a hypersonic aircraft program started in the Soviet Union and currently under development in the Russian Federation". Is this credible? Sources are in Russian, so we need either a Russian speaker or someone with some technical knowledge.-- Scott Mac 20:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Turkish Airlines Flight 1754 has been nominated for deletion. Mjroots ( talk) 06:59, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Please access Template talk:Infobox airline if you know what the "Bases" entry in the infobox is intended to designate. (Maintenance bases? Moon bases as depicted in 2001: A Space Odyssey? An airline's favorite high pH chemicals?) More commentary there. Please respond there, not here - that page isn't too highly trafficked and I was concerned nobody would see my question for weeks if I didn't go begging for help on this page. Thanks. Ch Th Jo ( talk) 05:38, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Flightglobal.com has beed tagged for speedy deletion if anybody can help with references as to its significance and importance to the aerospace industry then your help would be appreciated, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 12:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
File:Coanda propeller - reconstruction.jpg has been nomiated for deletion. 65.93.14.29 ( talk) 04:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm the registration of the Blériot 135 that crashed near Tonbridge on 2 October 1926 whilst trying to make an emergency landing at Penshurst Airfield. Was it F-AGFA? Mjroots ( talk) 23:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
There is an issue dealing with VTOL, see Talk:VTVL for a merger discussion. 65.93.14.196 ( talk) 23:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
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Nominating template {{ SouthAmerica-airport-stub}}. No articles currently use this template, as associated national-level templates already exist. Dawynn ( talk) 19:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
{{ Rocket specifications-all}} has been nominated for deletion. 65.93.14.196 ( talk) 04:38, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
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I added an "Aircraft Component Manufacturers" task force to create articles about companies who manufacture aircraft components.-- Jax 0677 ( talk) 01:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Over at WP:SHIPS, they have a resources section, where useful sources of info in researching ship-related articles are housed. Does this WP have something similar, and if not, then should it? Mjroots ( talk) 20:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
I have recently learned that there is a supported method in Wikipedia to consolidate the discussion for a group of related article pages that have been divided up by size, typically because the list would be too large for a single article. There are a lot of List articles in the Aviation WikiProject, and it is often difficult to keep up with the Talk page discussions when they randomly appear on different Talk pages, even for the same subject. For example, List of aircraft is divided up into about a dozen articles ( List of aircraft (0-A), List of aircraft (N-Q), etc.) and List of World War I flying aces is divided up into ten articles (e.g., List of World War I aces credited with 9 victories, or List of World War I aces credited with 20 or more victories, etc.).
Currently, each of the many list articles in those examples has its own Talk page, which often makes it a bit difficult to have a cogent Talk page discussion about article improvement since the discussion must necessarily take place on a single Talk page that that may not be monitored by many folks.
The Wikipedia-supported method that could potentially improve on this is to basically to select one page as the central Talk page for a group of articles, and then redirect the several other Talk pages to that central page.
There is an example of how this can be done at Help talk:Cite errors — it uses the {{ central}} and {{ editnotice central}} to implement the consolidation.
Would appreciate your thoughts on both halves of the idea, the specific and the general. Cheers. N2e ( talk) 17:09, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Per the above consensus, I have attempted to make the various changes that centralise discussion for the dozen or so "List of aircraft (...)" articles. Please feel free to look it over to see how you think this is working. Remember, this is a trial project. If it works well here, others may wish to do the same with other large lists in WikiProject Aviation. Cheers. N2e ( talk) 16:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Today, an Etihad Airways flight was escorted into Stansted by the RAF due to an unruly passenger on board. There are rumours of a bomb threat being made. My addition of this incident to the Etihad Airways and London Stansted Airport articles has been reverted. The reverting editor is of the opinion that it is not notable enough to mention. Whilst current reporting indicates that the incident is not notable enough to sustain a stand-alone article, I believe it is sufficiently rare enough to be worth mentioning, due to the RAF escort. Without the latter, then it's just another operational hiccup. Opinions please on the notability or otherwise of the incident. Mjroots ( talk) 16:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Bomb threats aren't that rare. What is rare (in the UK at least) is the reaction in this case, it's not everyday that the RAF escorts an airliner into an airport. Mjroots ( talk) 20:19, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
As you can see, this is a redlink. However, we have numerous articles on airplanes referring to them by "block" numbers. For example:
What does it mean to say that an aircraft has a block number of this kind? Is this something worth having an article on (or do we have one that I have missed)? Cheers! bd2412 T 16:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
concerning hyphens, there is an RFC on the issue at WT:Manual of Style. As a blowup concerning a large number of aviation categories happened over this issue, you may be interested. 65.93.15.80 ( talk) 05:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Since this doesn't quite fall under the umbrella of any specific subproject, I thought I'd ask here. I've got two notability questions with regards to two articles I just stumbled upon.
First: what is the notability policy with regards to a specific flight route/path? Specifically I am referring to Singapore Airlines Flight 21. (No, it's not an accident, incident, or otherwise; it's just the longest non-stop flight in the world at present.) Frankly, why this route has its own article baffles me. I mean, if SQ21 gets an article, shouldn't the first regularly scheduled passenger transatlantic flight route get its own article? Transpacific? Transcontinental?
Second: Singapore Airlines Flight 380. The inaugural flight of the Airbus A380. Does this pass notability specs? (I will refrain from grandstanding like I did in the previous paragraph.)
Thanks. -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû ( blah?) 12:30, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Now, just to start this off, there is a bit of confusion as to when the RAF began to change its military designations as evidenced in the recent hubbub over the English Electric Lightning and Folland Gnat articles. I recall that the topic has been brought up before and the "standard" of Mk.1 and Mk 1 is now co-existing in a melange of formats in many articles, without a clear indication of when to use one or the other designation. The RAF now (since ?) is using a simplified system that eliminates the "dot." The "FG.1" has become the "FG 1" or "FG1" across the board, including back-dating some illustrious types such as the Supermarine Spitfire, Hawker Hurricane and Avro Lancaster in all their current literature. I have an extensive collection (my wife isn't reading this, is she?) of Aeroplane, Air Pictorial, Flypast, RAF Flying Review, and numerous other Brit magazines. Many of these were perfect barometers of the time and mirrored the current terminology. In and about 1968, the articles seemed to be diverting from using the "dot" and by the early 1980s, the "dot" was no longer to be found in RAF designations. I mark the change as 1983 in Air International and there was no diversion from that point on. This background is just to set the theme for the fun and frivolity that will surely ensue. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 23:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)