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Should AFL have its own portal? Cricket, rugby league, and rugby union do: see Portal:Cricket, Portal:Rugby league, Portal:Rugby union. . . There is lots of info at Wikipedia:Portal, if you follow the links. — Lindsay658 ( talk) 00:39, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I've done a little bit of work on it, including linking to the Project quiz. I don't have that much time but I'll try to work on the Showcase stuff at least if I can. AFL-Cool 01:14, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
For the Bob Rahilly article I have just created I am trying to find the following resources:
If someone has access to these and they are relevant to the page, could they leave me a message on my talk page?
Apparently this guy once hit the post four times in one game, which was some sort of record (at least as of 1982). Hack ( talk) 08:39, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I just reviewed the project listing of articles on the project page, and I was astonished to see that NO articles classified as Top importance are tagged as Good Articles. We've got 24 in B Class. I'm busy trying to work on options for the Portal (see above) but there are only 9 articles in our whole project that are GA or featured!
So here's a challenge for everyone in the project. Let's get some of these top importance articles from B to GA. It includes 14 of the 16 AFL clubs (Adelaide and the Bulldogs are the exceptions), the laws of the game, the AFL, the game, the AFL grand final, Fitzroy, and five players (Gordon Coventry, Haydn Bunton Snr, Jack Dyer, John Coleman and Polly Farmer).
And if one wants to look at the high importance ones why not work on those as well? AFL-Cool 10:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. — Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:21, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
So far, I have seen {{ Infobox AFL player}}, {{ Infobox afl player}}, and {{ Infobox afl player NEW}}. Has there been any discussion about which one is preferred? I am happy to help convert the others to help merge these if there is some consensus. It seem a bit much to have three that all do roughly the same thing. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
As can be seen above, an editor has expressed how he's reluctant to improve an article to GA standard. However, is anyone in the project interesed in choosing and improving a top importance article significantly as a project? Aaroncrick TALK 09:01, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
On The Pope's comment re an assessment page, I'm just wondering if there's an existing reference that explains how we graded the articles as they stand (ie, GA, B, C etc). AFL-Cool 00:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Anyone got a skills book or something along those lines to ref these articles? Aaroncrick TALK 05:12, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm slowly going to be expanding the above article, and I was wondering how we would like it formatted. I was just going to have a brief summary on all matches and put it under the history... Any opinions? Aaroncrick TALK 08:07, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Yesterday, User:Guinea pig warrior moved Western Bulldogs to Western Bulldogs Football Club. I disagree with the move, as their own annual report plainly states that they are the Footscray Football Club trading as Western Bulldogs. The official club website does has Western Bulldogs Football Club in the title bar, but I think that that is due to sloppy web designers cut and pasting template-style across all 16 team sites that Telstra runs for the AFL. So, does anyone else have any evidence either way of what the club's full name is? The-Pope ( talk) 11:55, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I've finally got around to listing Laurie Nash at Peer Review. Pleased to get any feedback. Cheers. -- Roisterer ( talk) 11:45, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
It's taken awhile, but I've finally put up the Tom Harley article for good article assessment. Feel free to assess or make comments. Boomtish ( talk) 16:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Alan Hickinbotham has recently died. [1]. I have created a placeholder article but perhaps some SA or Geelong footy fans could expand and/or inline cite this ... -- Mattinbgn\ talk 05:15, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I've gotten myself involved in a discussion about an article about a regional Australian rule football team and I feel woefully uninformed. Are regional leagues such as the Riverland Football League considered professional or on par with bottom tier football (soccer) teams or American single-A baseball clubs? Would teams, such as Renmark Rovers FC be valid topics for articles? Thanks in advance for your help. Cheers. Movementarian ( Talk) 12:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I've taken the liberty to do a simple re-design of Template:Afl-project-member. The previous version was stretched across the screen and quite cumbersome to fit on user pages. The current design is more consistent with many other similar WikiProject member templates. Boomtish ( talk) 04:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Great to see an article on this; however, is this article specifically for the recent bid or for that and the one in the nineties? If so, I guess the article needs better organising and should be in a more chronicle order. Just checking before I go ahead and make changes. Aaroncrick TALK 04:50, 3 July 2010 (UTC) PS: shouldn't the article be renamed if it's about both bids? Aaroncrick TALK 04:51, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi, everyone. I reckon we should have an article on this topic. It seems to be most relevant to AFL, in my experience. It's definitely notable. However, I don't have much knowledge of it myself. Who wants to help create this article? - Richard Cavell ( talk) 09:26, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Please refer to the Port Adelaide wiki and the discussion/history of the wiki. Eathb ( talk) 15:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi. After about a years break I've started making AFL player articles again - I've started on the Fitzroy player's list found
here. I remember a discussion a while back about the disambiguation of players with the same name - I recall it was decided that where there was more than one player with the same name middle initials will be used. There are 3 Charlie Camerons, and I have middle initials for two, so I'm assuming the three articles would be named:
The only problem I have is that Charles J. Cameron is currently at
Charles Cameron. I have no problem with moving pages, but I don't know how to clean up the links that point to where the page was originally located. Can anyone offer any help?
Terlob ( talk) 05:45, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Are we sticking with "Australian rules footballer" to disambiguate players? I'm going through the list of Fitzroy players I linked above - all the players that have names that already exist on wikipedia are disambiguated with "Australian footballer". I'm about to go and find and replace that with the correct phrase - if that's what we're sticking with. It'd also be handy if we started updating all those lists to reflect that change so we don't double up articles Terlob ( talk) 11:32, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi. We have Template:AFL Brownlow Medallists and Template:Three time Brownlow Medal winners. What about Template:Two time Brownlow Medal winners? It would easily be a notable achievement to win two Brownlows. - Richard Cavell ( talk) 08:36, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Please see the issue above first.
Now, along the same lines, I propose that Template:AFL Brownlow Medallists be renamed Template:Brownlow Medal winners. A few thoughts:
Richard Cavell ( talk) 03:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Done - they're all moved now. -
Richard Cavell (
talk)
04:12, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
It seems like the infamous WP:ATHLETE is gone and WP:NSPORT has taken its place. Have a lot at the suggested wording at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#Australian_rules_football and see if you agree, disagree or have any suggested improvements. The-Pope ( talk) 13:59, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I've just tidied up the AFL club season infobox which was created by Allied45 last year. I think I've improved it enough that we should be using it on all team season articles (currently it's only on the Melbourne 2010 article). At the moment all the other articles are using the the soccer infobox and obviously it's not as useful to aussie rules articles. So unless anyone has any objections I'm going to start changing the infoboxes over in the next few days (or someone else can if they're feeling generous) and ask that if anyone starts a new club season article that they use the AFL infobox, not the soccer one. Cheers, Jenks24 ( talk) 14:47, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
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Hello, i'm looking for input from the Wikiprojects on all the Football codes so we can get a standardized wording for each brand of the sport. Doc Quintana ( talk) 18:48, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
I saw an article on Adam Coote this afternoon and the question above came to mind. What does this project think?
I've noticed that the St Kilda and Port Adelaide have a much better looking and more informative template (includes NSW scholarship players, senior and assistant coaches) in their wiki articles in comparison to other teams wikis. Do you think this template should be used for other clubs as well? Powerstiffs ( talk) 12:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm getting a bit tired of seeing white being added and deleted to the club colours section on club infoboxes. Given the prevalence of white based clash jumpers, this issue will not go away. So are club colours any and all colours that are on any non-one-off jumper; or are they only the traditional colours, ignoring white if it's only used in a clash jumper, text (Carlton?) or other minor details? The-Pope ( talk) 15:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
OK, Shall we confirm the colours then:
All agreed? The-Pope ( talk) 15:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
As to Fitzroy, see the article Fitzroy Football Club for a sourced explanation that the colours were most recently red and blue. - Richard Cavell ( talk) 02:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
That is wrong, Port Adelaide's colours include "silver" which is even included in the song. Brisbane Lions use white in the numbers of the home guernsey. West Coast use to types of blue. GuineaPigWarrior ( talk) 16:20, 9 October, 2010 (UTC)
The question being ask is Should football be WP:DAB'd for all codes when the code is first mentioned in the intro? Gnevin ( talk) 09:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
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Depending on who you speak to, Port Power and Port Magpies are due to merge before the start of the 2011 season. If it comes to pass, and we return to one Port Adelaide FC that has 1 AFL premiership and 36 SANFL premierships, will it effect related articles greatly? -- Roisterer ( talk) 01:27, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Some editor has moved Lou Richards to Lou Richards (footballer) and then changed the rediect at Lou Richards into an unreferenced stub. The footballer is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but I don't have time to deal with this at the moment so can someone else please fix this, as I will probably be away for most of the next week. Thanks, Jenks24 ( talk) 04:59, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Howdy all, User:Nouse4aname has been changing all the AFL club navboxes from the colourful way they were to the default "neutral" colour. S/he has been using WP:NAVI and WP:ICONDECORATION as the reasoning and I tend to agree, to an extent. (See my talk for longer reasoning.) Anyway, my compromise was in effect, this, so that, although the titlestyle remains colourful, the rest of the navbox is less harsh on the eye. Opinions anyone? (Or else I will just implement this change on all navboxes citing "consensus" here.... ;) Jenks24 ( talk) 17:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Every year, around this time, many new articles appear for the new draftees. To help "discover them as they appear" bookmarking and regularly checking Special:RecentChangesLinked/2010 AFL Draft will let you see the articles being created, even if they aren't on your watchlist (you can actually watchlist redlinks - which is another way of ensuring that we don't end up with microstubs or "Tom Hill is going to be the next Adam Cooney and star for the Dogs, He rulz" type of articles that will just annoy everyone. The-Pope ( talk) 13:09, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Is Jim Smith (Australian footballer) (linked from List of Sydney Swans players) the same person as Jimmy Smith (Australian footballer)? The dates seem to match up, more or less, but I'd like an expert to check please. - TB ( talk) 17:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
When a player name is disambiguated eg. Chris Tarrant (footballer) should John Smith (footballer), John Smith (Australian footballer) or John Smith (Australian rules footballer) be used. I have seen all three used in different articles but I think the last one is the better option for all pages, as it clearly shows the sport the player is playing, rather than leading to confusion between the various football codes. Bozzio ( talk) 11:24, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I was thinking of sending these to TfD, but I thought I might get some opinions here first:
Thoughts? Jenks24 ( talk) 16:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
In case anyone here is interested:
Cheers, Jenks24 ( talk) 10:52, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Will the new state league knock-out competition, scheduled to take place in 2011, be part of the 2011 AFL season article or be its own article? Calistemon ( talk) 23:03, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Anyone support getting this ridiculous category off player pages? Unless anyone feels like going through the excruciating WP:CFD process to try and give the category a more sensible name, it may be better (and easier!) to create a new category/categories to house these players.
Category:American players of American football for example has subcats for the US states, such as Category:Players of American football from Arkansas, and it is these subcats that go on player pages. So for example Matthew Pavlich would have Category:Australian rules footballers from South Australia instead of an entirely useless category which states he is an Australian Aussie rules player.
Is that workable?
I also noticed that all other football codes on wikipedia (NFL, Rugby, Soccer etc) categorise their players by position, such as those at Category:Players of American football by position.
If we decide we don't want have location categories, is that an option instead?
Thoughts? Jevansen ( talk) 08:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
After spending the last few months trying to convert some to the idea that we have 17, not 16 AFL teams, an IP is now pushing for 18. Am I alone in thinking 17 is correct until the end of this year? The-Pope ( talk) 04:56, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
If anyone is interested, I have nominated three articles for deletion, as the players have been delisted and they have never played an AFL match:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Donaldson
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Still
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jarrad Boumann
16:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Laurie Nash is at FAC. -- Roisterer ( talk) 08:14, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering, on the main 2011 AFL season page each week there is at the bottom of the fixture, Bye(s):Gold Coast which list teams who have a bye. For the individual teams season pages ala 2011 Brisbane Lions season, etc after the round title there seems to be just BYE in bold if the team has a bye. Is this the consensus, or is there another way that this should be done? Shadowmaster13 ( talk) 06:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Round 1 | |||||
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Bye Gold Coast |
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Round 1 | |||||
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Gold Coast | v | Bye | |||
Prefer Shadowmaster13's versions - you don't "vs" a bye. The-Pope ( talk) 05:21, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys, just noticed the Club songs section of the Adelaide Crows article. Firstly, I was wondering if someone could tell if someone could tell me if the 1991–1993 song is actually what the Crows' song was in those years, because it looks like a hoax to me. Secondly, is the 1994–present song a copyvio? Cheers, Jenks24 ( talk) 04:28, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
An IP ( 202.182.85.234) has changed the vice-captain and captain on all the AFL player squad templates and the AFL page. I have reverted some of these changes but other still need to be done. I would appreciate some help in this. Ignorant Armie s 08:46, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Participants of this project may be interested in Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#AFL player infoboxes, a proposal to merge the three infoboxes currently in use by this project for biographical articles. Jenks24 ( talk) 03:34, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
An IP ( 202.182.85.234) has changed the vice-captain and captain on all the AFL player squad templates and the AFL page. I have reverted some of these changes but other still need to be done. I would appreciate some help in this. Ignorant Armie s 08:46, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Participants of this project may be interested in Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#AFL player infoboxes, a proposal to merge the three infoboxes currently in use by this project for biographical articles. Jenks24 ( talk) 03:34, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello All, I have started a discussion in the Talk:2007 AFL season results page about whether the 2007 AFL season results page should be deleted due to having duplicate data. Any feedback would be much appreciated. Lindblum ( talk) 13:46, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello All,
Given the success of the new AFL Ladder template being used for the 2011 season, I am asking for permission to update the other ladders to reflect this new style. The appearance is identical to the old template, however by removing the unused text in the template there are huge savings to be made. For a comparison, below are two versions of the 2010 AFL Ladder and their template sizes:
Using 2011 version -
User:Lindblum/AFL Ladder 2010 - 1434 bytes
Using 1995-2010 version -
Template:AFL Ladder/2010 - 2140 bytes
If we change this ladder to the 2011 version. we can save 714 bytes (32.9%) in memory usage. Multiply that by 100 and there is a HUGE amount of data ready to be saved. I am prepared to update all the ladders myself, but I don't want to proceed until I receive feedback on this. Looking forward to hear what you all have to say. Cheers, Lindblum ( talk) 13:39, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Just saw that we have an article on the Queensland Clash (the "rivalry" between Brisbane and the Gold Coast), which led to me to two questions:
1) Does this actually warrant an article? I mean the media's trying to hype it up a bit, but is it really notable?
2) If we do decide to keep the article, surely there must be a better name for it (I'd also like to see Anzac Day clash and Queen's Birthday Clash renamed). So, any opinions on what would be a better name and if the Gold Coast vs Brisbane article should be kept? Jenks24 ( talk) 08:49, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi all, I don't know if anyone has looked into this, yet... I've changed a lot over to Rls templates lately, but I really think there should be a unique template for the AFL or Aussie rules teams. I've just created an AFL squad template based (on the Rls squad). I've made a couple of changes, columns 1 & 2 go down to r (18 entries), and the cruz roja for injured players is pre-included I'd prefer if it could have an automatic columns if it were to go with the Rls style. Or should players be arranged by positions?
It would need an <<player>>-style template to go with it. Does anyone have suggestions or want to look into this?
I'll confess that I'm not an expert on Australian rules, so help would be appreciated
Cashie (
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07:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Reading Sunday's Melbourne Age, there was a reference to Ned Kelly playing centre-half back for VFA club Williamstwon in 1873. It seems a big statement and the back pages of the Sunday Age sport section are sometimes known for their tall stories. Has anybody else heard about this? -- Roisterer ( talk) 01:43, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
At Talk:Australian rules football there has been a discussion about whether AFL is a valid name for the game. One editor there has used the fact that the AFL WikiProject talks about more than just the AFL as justification for his claim that "AFL" is a valid name for the game. To me, AFL is simply the name of the major league in Australia, not the game, but this project seems quite confused about it. HiLo48 ( talk) 03:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
You mean like decimate meaning destroyed and haitch being a letter? I don't see either of those being described as erroneous. And they're truly erroneous (the person doesn't know it's wrong) as opposed to deliberate shortening for convenience, which is the case here. Sellyme Talk 05:50, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering if anyone has, or would know where to find, any information on the results (other than winners and runners-up eg. individual matches) of the VFL's pre-season night series, rather, competitions from 1983–87? A quick Google search didn't come up with anything, but I think they might have been published in some old Footy Records. Any help would be much appreciated, particularly for the 1987 season.
Ignorant
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I've currently started changing most of the AFL club to navboxes include colour both in the header and in the main section. The previous consensus ( here) was to have only colour in the header of the navbox. My opinion is that it is visually unattractive to have the teams' colours as well as the generic light blue and black in navboxes – once expanded, it looks horrible. The only problem I've had with readability is with the University Football Club template I recently created, although I think I have rectified this. The only other problems I can see would be with the Essendon and Melbourne colour schemes - could be some problems for colour blind people, maybe? I think I'd either prefer all-colour or no colour, as in-between looks horrible. Any thoughts? Ignorant Armies ? ! 12:26, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
1. Colour/colour
2. Colour/no colour
2. No colour/no colour
I guess the no colour one isn't too bad, and would conform with WP:ICONDECORATION. As long as it doesn't end up looking like this
,I'm happy with either outcome. It'd be good to hear some more suggestions. Ignorant Armies ? ! 13:47, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. I'm a participant on WikiProject Rugby league, and I'm currently attempting to make changes to our biographical infobox. The two changes I'm trying to put through are a greater amount of flexibility with British rugby league terminology and, more importantly to you, using {{ tooltip}} where column headers such as "Pld" and "T" use shorthand. You can see examples here. These changes would not affect the vast majority of AFL players, since they use a different infobox, but cross-code players who use the rugby league biographical infobox, such as Karmichael Hunt, will be affected by these changes. It looks a bit awkward having one part of the infobox with {{ tooltip}} and the others not, but it wouldn't be fair for me to put through these changes when other sports WPs are covering the article. Would it be OK for me to use {{ tooltip}} on the optional AFL section of the rugby league biographical infobox, elabourating "Pld" with "Played", "G" with "Goals", and "B" with "Behinds"? Also, please let me know if these terms are incorrect—I'm not familiar with Aussie rules. Thanks, GW (talk) 20:23, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys, I'd appreciate some input from my fellow project members at Talk:Ian Collins (Australian)#Requested move. Cheers, Jenks24 ( talk) 06:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
I know that the scope of this project is a bit of a bone of contention currently but this topic may interest editors who participate here.
Talk:Riverina Football League#Requested move is a bit of a test balloon to see if the amalgamation of football and netball clubs and leagues and the subsequest name changes should be reflected in their article titles in Wikipedia. Cheers, Mattinbgn ( talk) 04:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Anyone know where we're at in relation to merging all existing infoboxes? That was the result of the discussion we had back in April. Has it been put in the too hard basket, forgotten about, or is it still in progress? Jevansen ( talk) 12:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
What is the correct formatting for the goals list? I have seen three common examples.
Example 1: Each # on new line, no notation for 1 goal.
Round 19 | |||||
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Sunday, 31 July 4:10pm | Adelaide | def. | Port Adelaide | AAMI Stadium (crowd: 40,586) | Report |
3.4 (22) 8.7 (55) 13.10 (88) 16.15 (111) |
Q1 Q2 Q3 Final |
1.5 (11) 4.9 (33) 9.10 (64) 11.13 (79) |
Umpires: Margetts, Schmitt, Hay Television broadcast: Channel 7 | ||
Walker 4 Wright, Gunston, Sloane 2 Otten, Henderson, Jacobs, Doughty, Maric, Mackay |
Goals |
Hitchcock 3 Schulz, Ebert, C. Cornes 2 Westhoff, Thomas | |||
van Berlo, Vince, Thompson, Sloane, Johncock, Walker, Dangerfield | Best | Boak, Pearce, Hitchcock, Cassisi, Hartlett, Gray | |||
Nil | Injuries | Jay Schulz (foot and back), Jack Trengove (knee swelling), Tom Logan (foot) | |||
Example 2: Same as above, but with a 1 goal notation.
Round 19 | |||||
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Sunday, 31 July 4:10pm | Adelaide | def. | Port Adelaide | AAMI Stadium (crowd: 40,586) | Report |
3.4 (22) 8.7 (55) 13.10 (88) 16.15 (111) |
Q1 Q2 Q3 Final |
1.5 (11) 4.9 (33) 9.10 (64) 11.13 (79) |
Umpires: Margetts, Schmitt, Hay Television broadcast: Channel 7 | ||
Walker 4 Wright, Gunston, Sloane 2 Otten, Henderson, Jacobs, Doughty, Maric, Mackay 1 |
Goals |
Hitchcock 3 Schulz, Ebert, C. Cornes 2 Westhoff, Thomas 1 | |||
van Berlo, Vince, Thompson, Sloane, Johncock, Walker, Dangerfield | Best | Boak, Pearce, Hitchcock, Cassisi, Hartlett, Gray | |||
Nil | Injuries | Jay Schulz (foot and back), Jack Trengove (knee swelling), Tom Logan (foot) | |||
Example 3: All goals on same line, with the goals notation at the end of the list of players who got that many goals.
Round 19 | |||||
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Sunday, 31 July 4:10pm | Adelaide | def. | Port Adelaide | AAMI Stadium (crowd: 40,586) | Report |
3.4 (22) 8.7 (55) 13.10 (88) 16.15 (111) |
Q1 Q2 Q3 Final |
1.5 (11) 4.9 (33) 9.10 (64) 11.13 (79) |
Umpires: Margetts, Schmitt, Hay Television broadcast: Channel 7 | ||
Walker 4, Wright, Gunston, Sloane 2, Otten, Henderson, Jacobs, Doughty, Maric, Mackay | Goals | Hitchcock 3, Schulz, Ebert, C. Cornes 2, Westhoff, Thomas | |||
van Berlo, Vince, Thompson, Sloane, Johncock, Walker, Dangerfield | Best | Boak, Pearce, Hitchcock, Cassisi, Hartlett, Gray | |||
Nil | Injuries | Jay Schulz (foot and back), Jack Trengove (knee swelling), Tom Logan (foot) | |||
There's also a lesser-used example that seems to be unanimously wrong among the more frequent contributors, which has goals after every single multiple goal-scorer, like this.
Round 19 | |||||
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Sunday, 31 July 4:10pm | Adelaide | def. | Port Adelaide | AAMI Stadium (crowd: 40,586) | Report |
3.4 (22) 8.7 (55) 13.10 (88) 16.15 (111) |
Q1 Q2 Q3 Final |
1.5 (11) 4.9 (33) 9.10 (64) 11.13 (79) |
Umpires: Margetts, Schmitt, Hay Television broadcast: Channel 7 | ||
Walker 4, Wright 2, Gunston 2, Sloane 2, Otten, Henderson, Jacobs, Doughty, Maric, Mackay | Goals | Hitchcock 3, Schulz 2, Ebert 2, C. Cornes 2, Westhoff, Thomas | |||
van Berlo, Vince, Thompson, Sloane, Johncock, Walker, Dangerfield | Best | Boak, Pearce, Hitchcock, Cassisi, Hartlett, Gray | |||
Nil | Injuries | Jay Schulz (foot and back), Jack Trengove (knee swelling), Tom Logan (foot) | |||
So which is correct? I favour examples one and three, three because it's compact (and on season articles that's quite handy), and one because it's convenient and easy to read. Your opinions? Sellyme Talk 23:55, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
If Port Adelaide Football Club and Port Adelaide Football Club (SANFL) are now the same football club why do we need the two articles? The latter seems to be obsolete and should have the 1997-2010 SANFL info worked in to the main article. Hack ( talk) 02:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
We currently use the following project banner on talk pages
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This doesn't really tell people what this project does and was wondering what people thought of something like this:
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I think we need to be advertising what this project can do and give some exposure to some of the outstanding work required. Hack ( talk) 03:20, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
WikiProject Australia articles>Australia articles by WikiProject>WikiProject Australian sports articles>WikiProject AFL articles Hack ( talk) 01:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved by rough consensus. All subpage titles have been properly updated. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 23:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject AFL → Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian rules football –. The scope of the project is the coverage of the sport of Australian rules football. The term AFL is ambiguous as the governing body of the sport and the primary football league share the same name, the former giving rise to a minority use of AFL as a synecdoche for the sport as a whole. Hack ( talk) 02:20, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Just having a look at the AFL articles by quality and importance, I was thinking it might be useful to introduce some rough guidelines as to what constitutes top, high, mid and low importance. These are just my ideas, and further input would be appreciated:
Top: All past, present and future (as in confirmed to be entering, eg. GWS) AFL clubs.
High: Most SANFL, VFL (that is, VFA), WAFL and Tasmanian league (ie. the current Tasmanian State League, and the former NWFU and NTFA) clubs, with the possible exclusion of some turn-of-the-century clubs (eg.
Unions Football Club) – although excluding these might be a case of
WP:RECENTISM. State of Origin teams, if an article exists.
Mid: All AFLQ, AFLCanberra, NTFL, NEAFL and Sydney AFL teams.
Low: The rest.
Top: AFL
High: SANFL, VFL, WAFL, Tasmanian leagues, AFLQ, AFLCanberra, NTFL, NEAFL, Sydney AFL, Foxtel Cup, AFL pre-season competition, potentially the O&M and the
GFL, potentially the International Rules Series (does this count?)
Mid: Well-known regional leagues (eg. Ballarat Football League, Black Diamond, AFLCairns)
Low: The rest. Amateur leagues, low-ranking metropolitan competitions, etc.
Top: Hall of Fame Legends
High: All other Hall of Fame players (ie. players in the Hall of Fame because of their playing ability, not for any other reason). All Brownlow Medallists.
Mid: All All-Australian players. All Coleman and Norm Smith medallists. All high-importance state league best and fairest and Grand Final BOG winners (Sandover, Magarey, Simpson, etc.). Possibly all State of Origin players. All AFL premiership captains.
Low: The rest.
Top: Jock McHale, as a Hall of Fame legend
High: All other Hall of Fame coaches.
Mid: All AFL premiership coaches. Other AFL and state league coaches which are significantly well-known for their contributions to the game or longevity (
Rodney Eade springs to mind – 300+ games)
Low: The rest.
Mid: All Hall of Fame inductees. Other AFL and state league umpires which are known for their longevity or other reasons (eg.
Hayden Kennedy).
Low: The rest.
Mid: All Hall of Fame inductees. Other AFL and state league administrators which are known for their longevity or other reasons (eg.
Eddie McGuire :P).
Low: The rest.
Top: MCG (arguable) High: All AFL grounds. Mid: All state league grounds. Overseas grounds which have hosted exhibition matches
Top: Brownlow, Coleman, Norm Smith High: Sandover, Magarey, Liston, Grand Final BOG awards, Leigh Matthews Trophy, Rising Star Mid: AFLPA Awards, Goal of the Year, Mark of the Year, Club best & fairests Low: The rest.
Decision made based on content.
These are just my own personal thoughts and would only be rough guidelines. Further comments would be appreciated. Ignorant Armies ? ! 12:04, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Clubs: I think teams like Unions that only played for a few years in the should only be mid. On the same note, I would argue that University probably only needs to be high. Not sure about the Bears (possibly only high for them as well), but Fitzroy should definitely be top. Similarly, GWS should only be top once it's playing in the AFL. I'd also include TAC Cup teams as mid.
Leagues: I'd argue that we should bump up the WAFL, SANFL, TSL (maybe even VFA) up to top. VAFA should probably be high (they beat a combined Vic Country side this year and contests are pretty even between the two). GFL should probably be high (very important in its day), but I'm too sure about the O&M – include them and arguments could be made for GV, Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, etc. I'd also include TAC Cup as at least mid.
Players. Think you might be a bit harsh here. I'd have all VFL/AFL club b&f winners. All VFL/AFL captains (and any that were captain for a significant amount of time in the SANFL, WAFL, VFA). Possibly even anyone who has played >200 VFL/AFL matches.
Coaches: looks good.
Umpires: Looks fine, except Jack Elder should be high (umpire of the century) and they do name an All-Australian umpire every season nowadays, so might be worth bumping them up to mid.
Administrators: Looks OK, except I'd argue that some VFL presidents should be high; William C. McClelland (26 years in charge) springs to mind.
Grounds: yep, except in my mind there is no doubt that the home of football would be top :)
Awards: Looks good.
In all, I think it's very good and wouldn't be surprised to find that this is generally followed already. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:18, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
For those interested the WAFL has a spreadsheet detailing all WAFL/WANFL/WASFL/Westar premiership players from 1931 to 2009. Its real value comes in the listing of player middle names, many of whom have WP articles. Hack ( talk) 06:08, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
I note that Craig Holden and Andrew Taylor (Australian footballer) are both in the Indigenous Australian players of Australian rules football category. Sadly, I'm old enough to have followed their respective careers first hand and I don't recall either being referred to as Indigenous (and this list on the AFL site doesn't list them either). Is anyone going to complain if I remove the Indigenous category from their articles? -- Roisterer ( talk) 11:34, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Is the Len Clark who played 14 times for Collingwood the son of Len Incigneri referred here as 'Len Clark (Incigneri)'? I realise it was a pretty common name but just wanted to check... Hack ( talk) 02:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
just to say that your sport is not in that great table, you should do something about-- Feroang ( talk) 02:29, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm just wondering what the general feeling is for which is the preferred format for premiership templates. I think it'd be nice to have all of them uniform.
The two main styles I'm seeing are these:
Match scores, full club name, no premiership number:
No scores, club "squad", premiership number:
Personally I prefer the Sydney version, simply because it provides pertinent information in a clean manner, but since I've seen a bit of edit warring on a few of them, I was just curious as to what is preferred. Thefourdotelipsis ( talk) 13:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
For example, James Hird. The blob of templates at the bottom looks ridiculous and has gotten completely out of hand IMHO. The category shows 527!. I'm not against navboxes in general but many of these are trivial and don't really improve articles. Template:Richmond Leading Goalkickers for example, would work perfectly well as a category. There's so many though I just don't know where to start. If I'm the only person that's bothered about this I'll let it drop. Either way, I'd be grateful for some feedback. Moondyne ( talk) 14:59, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
I have noticed a significant number of occurrences of superscripted ordinals in AFL-related articles. Kindly note that this practice is discouraged in the relevant guideline. Thanks, -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 02:10, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Deletion discussion here on Carlton Football Club salary cap breach, if anyone's interested. Ignorant Armies ? ! 08:23, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Found List of AFL Shows tonight. Apart from it being completely unreferenced, incomplete, some recentism and some out-of-date-ism and the AFL/Aussie rules name issue, is it worth keeping/improving? Does Category:Australian rules football television series cover it enough? The cat doesn't allow for the hosts/channel/era to be listed, but referencing it all will be very tough. So should we nuke it or improve it? The-Pope ( talk) 13:43, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I think that hatnotes (little line at the top of an article) at AFL Grand Final at Australian Football League should point 2011 AFL season while the Grand Final is recent. Maybe there is a special template that does this.-- Commander Keane ( talk) 06:00, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Not all change is progressive! There seems to be a drive to impose historically incorrect "infoboxes" on players who played in earlier times, when players had day jobs, were free of tattoos, kicked stab kicks forty yards, and long before there was any sort of draft system. The direct consequence of this action is easy to see when you compare:
You will notice that not only has vitally important information on his first game played, opponent played against, and ground that the match was played at disappeared from the infobox, it has also, through this dastardly act, disappeared from the article (due to the fact that the previous version of the article only displayed the information on these matters in the infobox).
So, I suppose my point is this . . .
Given that it seems inevitable that this deliberate destruction of information and misrepresentation of fact will continue, due the view that everything must move ahead, can those responsible for what is, in my opinion, pointless vandalism (by the act of imposing the future upon the past), at least do the entire world the courtesy of incorporating the information that once was displayed in the infobox into the text of the article, before the beastly new version infobox is allowed to take the place of the correct original version?
And, as well, can whomsoever is (or are) responsible for all of the past vandalism trawl back through their convoluted pathway of destruction and make suitable adjustments to the texts of the articles. Lindsay658 ( talk) 09:51, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
I've just seen Daniel Bass pop up on recent changes and I think it might be worthwhile to see if we can come to a decision about delisted players who never played an AFL match. Is it worth creating a "Delisted players who never played a senior match" section at List of Port Adelaide Football Club players and redirecting there? Or, is he not even worth a redirect? I can sometimes see the value in keeping a redirect if there's chance they might get back on an AFL list, but in Bass's case, he's 25 and there seems to be no chance that he could get back onto an AFL list. What do you guys think? Jenks24 ( talk) 07:02, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Speaking about redirects and Bass in particular, what would you consider the threshold for being (for lack of a better word) 'worth' a redirect? Bass played state football (even played finals for South Adelaide this year), so is it just that he now has no chance of ever playing an AFL match, or is that he was only on the rookie list and he had very little coverage at all? Jenks24 ( talk) 08:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Ok, so there was a bit of discussion between Jenks and I above about the premiership templates, which were really all over the shop in terms of format and design. So I went ahead brought all 115+ to the same standard of design. I'm mentioning it here in the hopes that if one aspect of said design is changed, that it then be applied to all 115+ of the other templates in the interest in uniformity.
For better or worse, I used the most recent template as the standard.
I added the nowrap template to prevent the messy effect that you would sometimes see, depending on your monitor/resolution/window/whatever size, where a player's number would be on one line and the name would be on the next. This is pretty straightforward, it's been added to all templates, so we only need to worry about in the last weekend of next September. Or the first weekend of October as it sometimes is nowdays.
Basically the notable features that I've applied to all templates are these.
Beyond this, I've also altered some of the combined templates and added a whole extra set. Basically what I've applied goes like so.
So yeah, I hope you're sufficiently bored by now if you've got all that, but I've laid it all out here in the interest of uniformity. It took a lot of time getting these all into shame, and it would be very disappointing if some people just went around and applied a new design facet or principle to just their team's set of templates (so St Kilda, Freo, Port, and Footscray fans don't worry me much. Hardy har har.) I've done this in the hope of at least improving one aspect of Wikipedia's AFL coverage in terms of neatness, presentation, and uniformity, and while I'm not emotionally attached in any way to any of the principles and aspects that I've outlined here and applied to all these templates, I'd appreciate if there was some way that these could be codified, policed, and ultimately discussed at large before any wholesale change is made to the standard.
Cheers, Thefourdotelipsis ( talk) 11:40, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
.... And I disagree as to how to best show the GWS trades. Pls comment at Talk:2011 AFL Draft. The-Pope ( talk) 00:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi all. I was thinking of splitting Category:All-Australians into two subcats, Category:All-Australians (1953–1988) and Category:All-Australians (AFL) (or perhaps Category:All-Australians (AFL era), to distinguish between the two different phases that the award has gone through. Any opinions? Jenks24 ( talk) 05:13, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Anyone got a copy of The Encyclopedia of AFL Footballers handy? We have an article, Roy Zanders, but I can't find any references to him online. All the stats sites have him listed as Jack Zander (and the official AFL stats site appears to be down). So, can anyone figure out what the deal is? Jenks24 ( talk) 00:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
For those interested in how this project is arranged, Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Australian rules football articles by quality log is a useful page to watchlist and keep an eye on. It logs each article added, removed or renamed into the project. Yesterday's renaming log was interesting in that apart from a sponsored name to the unsponsored name and a commonname move, the other three moves, made by Jevansen, Jenks24 and myself, all involved moving ambiguous names to or away from article titles with middle initials. I moved Nick G. Stone to Nick Stone (footballer born 1972) (and created Nick Stone (footballer born 1981)). I totally understand the argument against using DOB, as you are unlikely to know them, but unlike cricket, where the "DK Lillee" or "SK Warne" is fairly well known, in AFL/VFL you are generally even less likely to know their middle name/initial.
Jev moved Jim Stewart (Australian footballer) back to Jim L. Stewart, with the comment that there are 4 Jim Stewarts who played VFL (and a Scottish footballer too). He was born in 1917, the other 3 were all in the 1880s - see this list. Unless we get lucky, or they were unlucky enough to enrol for the war, I doubt we'd find middle initials for the other 3,(of course after I post this I check out the "lists of players" and sure enough, they are already listed a F., A. and H. - and F./1884 has an article!) so they'll probably end up at Jim Stewart (Australian footballer born 1884), Jim Stewart (Australian footballer born 1888) and Jim Stewart (Australian footballer born 1889).
Jenks24 moved Paul O'Brien (Australian rules footballer, born 1950) to Paul F. O'Brien, to match Paul J. O'Brien (born 1961) and Paul S. O'Brien (born 1948). There is also an actor and rugby league player (probably born late 1950s, but not stated) - amazingly all 5 Paul O'Briens notable to be here are Australian! I'd probably prefer to see them all at Paul O'Brien (Australian footballer born 1950) or similar.
So should we standardise which way we dab, unless it's a very complicated one? I'd lean towards footballer (or Australian footballer) born XXXX as the first option for "double dabbing" and only go to initials if that doesn't work (ie duplication or not known)? Whatever we choose, we should start "booking out" the redlinks on the dab pages, with a blue link to the relevant List of Foo Football Club players, like I did at Peter Stephens (disambiguation) and am about to do for the Jim Stewarts, to stop well meaning external editors from undoing our prep work for future dabs.
Finally, I see that we've used a mix of (footballer born XXXX) and (footballer, born XXXX), whereas a check of English soccer players shows that they never use a comma. The examples given at WP:QUALIFIER also don't use commas, but I'm not that fussed about this part, but won't be using them myself. The-Pope ( talk) 16:41, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
I know I've been guilty of muddying the waters by inconsistently applying both the birth and middle initial disambiguation to various articles, as we haven't really got any guidelines on this, so I'm glad this has been brought up. While it would be much easier to have a standard DAB for players of the same name, it doesn't mean that it's going to result in the best disambiguation for each individual case. For example, recently East Freo player Jack K. Clarke was moved Jack Clarke (West Australian footballer), to avoid ambiguity with the Essendon player of the same name. I think, for that case, it works perfectly and is a better solution than a DOB or middle initial. So I think that, while the birth and middle initial won't always result in the best DAB for each case, we could at least come to a decision over which of the two takes precedence. For that I'd vote for the birthdate one, because, as mentioned above, the middle initial seems to be discouraged. Jevansen ( talk) 01:55, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Guys, I have a problem. There's an IP trying to add controversial information to this page and he refuses to admit that a problem exists and won't produce back up evidence. The details are on the talk page. I can't revert his latest edit because I'll violate 3RR. I'm about to report the IP for it, and I may also ask for the page to be protected. I need someone to revert him back. Parkside's 2009 Division 3 premiership is not a proper premiership under present verifiable evidence per the NFL By Laws. Footy Freak7 ( talk) 00:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I am wanting use the photograph at [15]. All of the team members are listed at [16]. Of the ten VFL players shown, I can easily identify, from left (1) ----, (2) ?possibly Des Fothergill, (3) ----, (4) ----, (5) Dick Reynolds, (6) ----, (7) ----, (8) Jack Dyer, (9) Phonse Kyne, and (10) ? possibly Ron Todd. Can anyone help me with the identification of the others? Thanks. Lindsay658 ( talk) 04:42, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Have sorted them out a bit more (1) ----, (2) ?possibly Des Fothergill (Collingwood), (3) ----, (4) ----, (5) Dick Reynolds (Essendon), (6) Jock Cordner (North Melbourne), (7) Jim Park (Carlton), (8) Jack Dyer (Richmond), (9) Phonse Kyne (Collingwood), and (10) Norman Ware (Footscray). Any thoughts on the others? Lindsay658 ( talk) 07:07, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Not directly related to Australian rules footy… though some Paralympians and disability sport athletes did play the game before they became disabled… Wikimedians to the Games is a collaboration drive to improve Australian Paralympic articles, with the most active contributors having an opportunity to go attend the Paralympic Games and to cover the Games behind the scenes with a press pass. The top two contributors will get their airfare and accommodation paid for. :) The drive official starts on 10 January 2012. (If this works out well, it might be a good way for Wikimedia Australia to try to develop a similar partnership with an AFL team.) -- LauraHale ( talk) 09:55, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
I stumbled upon a couple of articles of female footballers and was wondering if there were any specific notability guidelines. A couple of articles in Category:Women's Australian rules footballers appear to be notable under WP:GNG - Shannon McFerran and Joanne Butland - while others like Daisy Pearce seem less clearcut. Hack ( talk) 06:18, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Alan Coomey Brian Currane Brian Shortall Cathal Corr Cian Quigley David Stynes Derek Mulligan Diarmuid Griffin Donal Boylan Fearghal Purcell Fergal Bradshaw Joe Cunnane John Lack O'Sullivan Liam O'Connor (Irish footballer) Michael Currane Roch Hanmore Hack ( talk) 15:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Hey guys, there's a TfD that you might want to have a look at, see Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 February 1#Template:Infobox AFL player. I've already left some questions there, so hopefully we can some response on whether the merge from 10 months ago is going to happen. Jenks24 ( talk) 00:34, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
What do we all think of these? - you know, the ones on the Selwood and most Geelong articles. I'm a strong fan, but the Pope has a differing opinion. Aaroncrick TALK 10:50, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I think I understand the intention behind Category:Australian Football League Awards Seasons Voting, but I can't think what it should be renamed to (the current title is awkward at best). Or maybe it should be deleted entirely and the articles in it upmerged to Category:Australian Football League awards? Jenks24 ( talk) 03:51, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
For anyone who is interested and has a spare league spot, I thought that we could have a Wikipedia based AFL Dream Team league. I've got an empty league called WPAFL #850244 that you can join to see who will come second behind the Popestars. I'm not doing Supercoach as my 1-man protest against the Herald Sun paywall (I know that Supercoach is still free, but it's the principal of the thing!) Get in quick, I think the leagues are finalised before the Swans/Giants kick it off this weekend, but it might be delayed until next week when the full lockout occurs. The-Pope ( talk) 14:45, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
I see he's been keen to add some detail to his own bio. Someone check it out. Causing much amusement on BigFooty. 58.26.155.10 ( talk) 01:35, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
From a housekeeping perspective, we need to get Greater Western Sydney into the table on the main page. A decision needs to be made on whether or not to style them as 'Greater Western Sydney' or 'GWS' in the common short form; and, when a preferred style is to determined, to then specify when it is appropriate (if at all) to use the other form.
I know it lends to a potentially annoying scenario with two different rules, but I'd like to see them styled as 'Greater Western Sydney' in text, but as 'GWS' in tables and lists. One reason is aesthetics - 'Greater Western Sydney' is so much longer than any other team name (except Woodville-West Torrens) that it makes the 'teams' column really long and introduces a lot of otherwise dead space into the table. But even without that, I feel that it matches with common usage - commentators or journalists would be more likely to use 'GWS' when reading a score, but 'Greater Western Sydney' would be the more formal alternative when writing about the club.
We would need to establish separate {{AFL GWS}} templates for the two options to go down this path. Aspirex ( talk) 11:38, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Maxwell Final Eight System. Am I wrong? Judging by the quality of most of the other edits by the article's creator, I think we've been had. Well played Llama-Blimp, you won (until now). The-Pope ( talk) 16:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I've uploaded a few pictures, admittedly not great, of players at yesterday's match in Canberra. They can be found at commons:Category:Gold Coast Football Club players and commons:Category:GWS Giants players. They are sorted by players. When players weren't back on, they weren't identified. Anyway, help choosing the best ones and putting them into relevant articles would be much appreciated. -- LauraHale ( talk) 03:55, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
With the sad passing of Charlie Sutton I started to look through some Trove newspapers for some old photos that we could use in his article (the article itself needs expansion). Everyone should be aware that, (AFAIK I'm not a lawyer, do your own research disclaimer etc disclaimer) all pre-1955 photos are public domain in Australia, so can be uploaded here with a {{ PD-Australia}} copyright tag. But they can't be uploaded to commons, they need to be pre-1946 there, as that is the US equiv date for PD images. As I read it, the date of the original photograph is all that matters, so ANY photo that is republished now that was taken in 1954 or earlier - ie any 1954 Grand Final photo, should be public domain and can be uploaded here freely. The Trove newspaper photos are often very poor quality scans, so keep an eye out for any decent, clearly dated images on the news/AFL websites.
When you search the old newspapers, you find some absolute gems for predictions... like this one from 1951 by Hugh Buggy "Recruit shines. Officials are pleased at the excellent showing of young Ted Whitten, a rangy youth of 17, who played at centre half-forward for Braybrook last year." source Yep, I reckon they would have been pleased for quite a while longer too! The-Pope ( talk) 08:28, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Just clicked through to check something out... and it's gone. No more. read the reasons Hopefully the old info is moved across and auto redirects put in place, other wise we'll have a few hundred dead links to deal with. I think some of the info was published in a book that is at least partially on google books, but again it's the effort needed to change the links. The-Pope ( talk) 16:49, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
So apparently the whole site was archived by the National Library... [20]...might be able to give life to a few dead link. I ♦ A 15:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Whilst trying to clean out some old cleanup tags (feel free to help out!) I've come across quite a few barely notable, unreferenced, deadlinked or poorly, non-independently referenced lower level league season articles. Luckily, we have Category:Australian rules football competition seasons to hold them, which includes AFL, WAFL and VFL subcats (no sign of any SANFL ones yet!) The remainder includes:
Tassie Leagues: OK (might need to expand the acronyms, NTFL especially):
NEAFL: OK, recent, has coverage
Women's Nationals: probably OK at the high level of final results only, not game by game
Junior National: OK, given the high level of coverage
TAC Cup: maybe OK, prefer the high level of final ladder and finals results only
Canandian: doubt we'll ever find independent reliable sources, so I think we should nuke em.
Country Vic: Local paper would cover, maybe the small print in the Age, but not "significant coverage", and not online anymore (sportingpulse is awful to try to reference over multiple years). Maybe prune them back to final ladder, finals and award winners only, or nuke? The (West) Gippsland FL ones are probably the closest - finals only and at least try to have refs. The NFL and BDAFL ones are far too detailed and all the links are dead. I know more than most that dead links can still be valid refs, but these aren't independent, nor likely to be archived.
And a weird half completed combination, that I've already prodded.
So what do we do? Prod all that are overly detailed and almost certainly unable to be referenced? Trim most back to bare minimum details? Notifying most of the initial contributors would be useless as few still contribute. The-Pope ( talk) 13:37, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
In the tables accompanying player articles, I have started to include the matches played in non-AFL/VFL leagues (SANFL & WAFL) in the player table (to see what I mean, check out David Hynes). With Hynes I'd also add whatever games he played for South Australia & Western Australia, and while I wouldn't be including games he may have played for Grong Grong Matong or whatever, I'd also look to include any international rules matches played and perhaps matches in other state leagues. What do people think? Is how I have listed the matches in the table ok? Other thoughts? -- Roisterer ( talk) 12:41, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I notice, for example, Robert Nash (Australian rules footballer), who played for Footscray in its VFA days, is categorised as Cat:Footscray Football Club (VFA) players. Perhaps the best result would be categorising the pre-97 Port players as Cat:Port Adelaide Football Club (SANFL) players (or similar), Port AFL players as Cat:Port Adelaide Football Club players and those that played for 1997-2010 SANFL Port Adelaide as Cat:Port Magpies players (Gavin Wanganeen for example would have each of these three categories). -- Roisterer ( talk) 23:48, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I agree in principle to listing games for VFA/VFL, SANFL, WAFL, TANFL, NTFA and NWFU where that player is a senior listed player at the club. But I have the following comments: 1) I'd order the clubs chronologically, rather than grouping them into leagues. If necessary, sub-totals for the different leagues can be included at the bottom of the list. The Hynes article clearly demonstrates this, as the way the box is constructed implies the VFL has hierarchial precedence over the SANFL/WAFL (particularly with the 'AFL total' being in bold), but the fact that we've summed the numbers suggests they should have hierarchial equivalence. 2) Adding the games together to produce a final total directly implies equivalency between the games, so we need to clearly define when this can and cannot be done, because there is a point at which the SANFL/WAFL/etc. matches cease to be equivalent to VFL/AFL matches. I would suggest that 1987 for Western Australia and 1991 for South Australia, grandfathered, would be the appropriate cut-off (i.e. a player who starts an SANFL career prior to 1991 gets to count that entire SANFL career as equivalent to the VFL/AFL, including any years played after 1991; but, a player whose career began in 1991 or later could not consider the two leagues equivalent. In Hynes' case, his SANFL games would have equivalency to his VFL/AFL games, but his WAFL games would not). The VFA - clearly games are equivalent prior to 1897, but although I feel they should retain equivalency for some time after that, I can't think of any other non-arbitrary way of specifying it. Other questions to be answered are:
Essentially, to be consistent, we need to unambiguously define what is and isn't "top level football"; and since I don't believe the AFL has an officially sanctioned definition, I think we're setting ourselves up for trouble. I'm still 100% in support of listing all of the above leagues in the infobox, except where a player is assigned only as a reserves player. And, where it is obviously equivalent (SANFL before 1991, WAFL before 1987), adding the three leagues together for a total. Aspirex ( talk) 06:46, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if there were any special design concerns for an AFL stadium? If so, then perhaps an article should be written for it? Australian football stadium or somesuch (this would be separate from that for the playing surface article Australian rules football playing field ). 70.49.127.65 ( talk) 22:21, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
As some of you may have noticed, a few AFL rivalry articles (including QClash, Sydney Derby (AFL), Western Derby and Showdown (AFL)) were nominated for deletion and subsequently speedily kept. As they stand, the articles do not meet WP:NRIVALRY as they do not show the rivalrys' importance in multiple non-trivial, reliable sources. I believe that the Western Derby and Showdown articles should be able to comfortably meet the criteria but I wonder if the QClash and Sydney Derby pages are premature given the limited coverage of the actual rivalry. Any thoughts? Hack ( talk) 08:07, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Interesting to note that The encyclopedia of AFL footballers by Holmesby & Main is the 21st most referenced book on Wikipedia, which is a damn good result considering Australian rules football is hardly the biggest topic out there. Only one sports related book (Wrestling Title Histories) has more references. -- Roisterer ( talk) 12:49, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Having come into contact with members of this project recently, I have come across multiple articles that have a severe lack of verifiable, independent sources. Remember that something that exists is not inherently notable, it requires significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Rather than run into more problems by creating deletion debates, I have written up a list of articles that I believe lack notability references so that this project can improve them, or if they aren't notable, list them for deletion or merge where appropriate as per WP:N. Right now many of them appear to be simple listcruft. A list still requires the topic of the list to be notable. In general I only tagged and article if it had less than 5 independent reliable sources. I also excluded biography pages as I am less knowledge about the process for those type of pages. Macktheknifeau ( talk) 18:49, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I think you guys ought to know that Mack has just reported afl.com.au as an unreliable source, arguing that it isn't independent when we know from Media Watch that it is as of last year I think. I think this guy is trouble TBH. For your info. Footy Freak7 ( talk) 10:11, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
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Should AFL have its own portal? Cricket, rugby league, and rugby union do: see Portal:Cricket, Portal:Rugby league, Portal:Rugby union. . . There is lots of info at Wikipedia:Portal, if you follow the links. — Lindsay658 ( talk) 00:39, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I've done a little bit of work on it, including linking to the Project quiz. I don't have that much time but I'll try to work on the Showcase stuff at least if I can. AFL-Cool 01:14, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
For the Bob Rahilly article I have just created I am trying to find the following resources:
If someone has access to these and they are relevant to the page, could they leave me a message on my talk page?
Apparently this guy once hit the post four times in one game, which was some sort of record (at least as of 1982). Hack ( talk) 08:39, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I just reviewed the project listing of articles on the project page, and I was astonished to see that NO articles classified as Top importance are tagged as Good Articles. We've got 24 in B Class. I'm busy trying to work on options for the Portal (see above) but there are only 9 articles in our whole project that are GA or featured!
So here's a challenge for everyone in the project. Let's get some of these top importance articles from B to GA. It includes 14 of the 16 AFL clubs (Adelaide and the Bulldogs are the exceptions), the laws of the game, the AFL, the game, the AFL grand final, Fitzroy, and five players (Gordon Coventry, Haydn Bunton Snr, Jack Dyer, John Coleman and Polly Farmer).
And if one wants to look at the high importance ones why not work on those as well? AFL-Cool 10:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. — Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:21, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
So far, I have seen {{ Infobox AFL player}}, {{ Infobox afl player}}, and {{ Infobox afl player NEW}}. Has there been any discussion about which one is preferred? I am happy to help convert the others to help merge these if there is some consensus. It seem a bit much to have three that all do roughly the same thing. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
As can be seen above, an editor has expressed how he's reluctant to improve an article to GA standard. However, is anyone in the project interesed in choosing and improving a top importance article significantly as a project? Aaroncrick TALK 09:01, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
On The Pope's comment re an assessment page, I'm just wondering if there's an existing reference that explains how we graded the articles as they stand (ie, GA, B, C etc). AFL-Cool 00:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Anyone got a skills book or something along those lines to ref these articles? Aaroncrick TALK 05:12, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm slowly going to be expanding the above article, and I was wondering how we would like it formatted. I was just going to have a brief summary on all matches and put it under the history... Any opinions? Aaroncrick TALK 08:07, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Yesterday, User:Guinea pig warrior moved Western Bulldogs to Western Bulldogs Football Club. I disagree with the move, as their own annual report plainly states that they are the Footscray Football Club trading as Western Bulldogs. The official club website does has Western Bulldogs Football Club in the title bar, but I think that that is due to sloppy web designers cut and pasting template-style across all 16 team sites that Telstra runs for the AFL. So, does anyone else have any evidence either way of what the club's full name is? The-Pope ( talk) 11:55, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I've finally got around to listing Laurie Nash at Peer Review. Pleased to get any feedback. Cheers. -- Roisterer ( talk) 11:45, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
It's taken awhile, but I've finally put up the Tom Harley article for good article assessment. Feel free to assess or make comments. Boomtish ( talk) 16:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Alan Hickinbotham has recently died. [1]. I have created a placeholder article but perhaps some SA or Geelong footy fans could expand and/or inline cite this ... -- Mattinbgn\ talk 05:15, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I've gotten myself involved in a discussion about an article about a regional Australian rule football team and I feel woefully uninformed. Are regional leagues such as the Riverland Football League considered professional or on par with bottom tier football (soccer) teams or American single-A baseball clubs? Would teams, such as Renmark Rovers FC be valid topics for articles? Thanks in advance for your help. Cheers. Movementarian ( Talk) 12:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I've taken the liberty to do a simple re-design of Template:Afl-project-member. The previous version was stretched across the screen and quite cumbersome to fit on user pages. The current design is more consistent with many other similar WikiProject member templates. Boomtish ( talk) 04:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Great to see an article on this; however, is this article specifically for the recent bid or for that and the one in the nineties? If so, I guess the article needs better organising and should be in a more chronicle order. Just checking before I go ahead and make changes. Aaroncrick TALK 04:50, 3 July 2010 (UTC) PS: shouldn't the article be renamed if it's about both bids? Aaroncrick TALK 04:51, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi, everyone. I reckon we should have an article on this topic. It seems to be most relevant to AFL, in my experience. It's definitely notable. However, I don't have much knowledge of it myself. Who wants to help create this article? - Richard Cavell ( talk) 09:26, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Please refer to the Port Adelaide wiki and the discussion/history of the wiki. Eathb ( talk) 15:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi. After about a years break I've started making AFL player articles again - I've started on the Fitzroy player's list found
here. I remember a discussion a while back about the disambiguation of players with the same name - I recall it was decided that where there was more than one player with the same name middle initials will be used. There are 3 Charlie Camerons, and I have middle initials for two, so I'm assuming the three articles would be named:
The only problem I have is that Charles J. Cameron is currently at
Charles Cameron. I have no problem with moving pages, but I don't know how to clean up the links that point to where the page was originally located. Can anyone offer any help?
Terlob ( talk) 05:45, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Are we sticking with "Australian rules footballer" to disambiguate players? I'm going through the list of Fitzroy players I linked above - all the players that have names that already exist on wikipedia are disambiguated with "Australian footballer". I'm about to go and find and replace that with the correct phrase - if that's what we're sticking with. It'd also be handy if we started updating all those lists to reflect that change so we don't double up articles Terlob ( talk) 11:32, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi. We have Template:AFL Brownlow Medallists and Template:Three time Brownlow Medal winners. What about Template:Two time Brownlow Medal winners? It would easily be a notable achievement to win two Brownlows. - Richard Cavell ( talk) 08:36, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Please see the issue above first.
Now, along the same lines, I propose that Template:AFL Brownlow Medallists be renamed Template:Brownlow Medal winners. A few thoughts:
Richard Cavell ( talk) 03:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Done - they're all moved now. -
Richard Cavell (
talk)
04:12, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
It seems like the infamous WP:ATHLETE is gone and WP:NSPORT has taken its place. Have a lot at the suggested wording at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#Australian_rules_football and see if you agree, disagree or have any suggested improvements. The-Pope ( talk) 13:59, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I've just tidied up the AFL club season infobox which was created by Allied45 last year. I think I've improved it enough that we should be using it on all team season articles (currently it's only on the Melbourne 2010 article). At the moment all the other articles are using the the soccer infobox and obviously it's not as useful to aussie rules articles. So unless anyone has any objections I'm going to start changing the infoboxes over in the next few days (or someone else can if they're feeling generous) and ask that if anyone starts a new club season article that they use the AFL infobox, not the soccer one. Cheers, Jenks24 ( talk) 14:47, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
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Hello, i'm looking for input from the Wikiprojects on all the Football codes so we can get a standardized wording for each brand of the sport. Doc Quintana ( talk) 18:48, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
I saw an article on Adam Coote this afternoon and the question above came to mind. What does this project think?
I've noticed that the St Kilda and Port Adelaide have a much better looking and more informative template (includes NSW scholarship players, senior and assistant coaches) in their wiki articles in comparison to other teams wikis. Do you think this template should be used for other clubs as well? Powerstiffs ( talk) 12:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm getting a bit tired of seeing white being added and deleted to the club colours section on club infoboxes. Given the prevalence of white based clash jumpers, this issue will not go away. So are club colours any and all colours that are on any non-one-off jumper; or are they only the traditional colours, ignoring white if it's only used in a clash jumper, text (Carlton?) or other minor details? The-Pope ( talk) 15:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
OK, Shall we confirm the colours then:
All agreed? The-Pope ( talk) 15:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
As to Fitzroy, see the article Fitzroy Football Club for a sourced explanation that the colours were most recently red and blue. - Richard Cavell ( talk) 02:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
That is wrong, Port Adelaide's colours include "silver" which is even included in the song. Brisbane Lions use white in the numbers of the home guernsey. West Coast use to types of blue. GuineaPigWarrior ( talk) 16:20, 9 October, 2010 (UTC)
The question being ask is Should football be WP:DAB'd for all codes when the code is first mentioned in the intro? Gnevin ( talk) 09:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
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Depending on who you speak to, Port Power and Port Magpies are due to merge before the start of the 2011 season. If it comes to pass, and we return to one Port Adelaide FC that has 1 AFL premiership and 36 SANFL premierships, will it effect related articles greatly? -- Roisterer ( talk) 01:27, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Some editor has moved Lou Richards to Lou Richards (footballer) and then changed the rediect at Lou Richards into an unreferenced stub. The footballer is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but I don't have time to deal with this at the moment so can someone else please fix this, as I will probably be away for most of the next week. Thanks, Jenks24 ( talk) 04:59, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Howdy all, User:Nouse4aname has been changing all the AFL club navboxes from the colourful way they were to the default "neutral" colour. S/he has been using WP:NAVI and WP:ICONDECORATION as the reasoning and I tend to agree, to an extent. (See my talk for longer reasoning.) Anyway, my compromise was in effect, this, so that, although the titlestyle remains colourful, the rest of the navbox is less harsh on the eye. Opinions anyone? (Or else I will just implement this change on all navboxes citing "consensus" here.... ;) Jenks24 ( talk) 17:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Every year, around this time, many new articles appear for the new draftees. To help "discover them as they appear" bookmarking and regularly checking Special:RecentChangesLinked/2010 AFL Draft will let you see the articles being created, even if they aren't on your watchlist (you can actually watchlist redlinks - which is another way of ensuring that we don't end up with microstubs or "Tom Hill is going to be the next Adam Cooney and star for the Dogs, He rulz" type of articles that will just annoy everyone. The-Pope ( talk) 13:09, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Is Jim Smith (Australian footballer) (linked from List of Sydney Swans players) the same person as Jimmy Smith (Australian footballer)? The dates seem to match up, more or less, but I'd like an expert to check please. - TB ( talk) 17:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
When a player name is disambiguated eg. Chris Tarrant (footballer) should John Smith (footballer), John Smith (Australian footballer) or John Smith (Australian rules footballer) be used. I have seen all three used in different articles but I think the last one is the better option for all pages, as it clearly shows the sport the player is playing, rather than leading to confusion between the various football codes. Bozzio ( talk) 11:24, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I was thinking of sending these to TfD, but I thought I might get some opinions here first:
Thoughts? Jenks24 ( talk) 16:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
In case anyone here is interested:
Cheers, Jenks24 ( talk) 10:52, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Will the new state league knock-out competition, scheduled to take place in 2011, be part of the 2011 AFL season article or be its own article? Calistemon ( talk) 23:03, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Anyone support getting this ridiculous category off player pages? Unless anyone feels like going through the excruciating WP:CFD process to try and give the category a more sensible name, it may be better (and easier!) to create a new category/categories to house these players.
Category:American players of American football for example has subcats for the US states, such as Category:Players of American football from Arkansas, and it is these subcats that go on player pages. So for example Matthew Pavlich would have Category:Australian rules footballers from South Australia instead of an entirely useless category which states he is an Australian Aussie rules player.
Is that workable?
I also noticed that all other football codes on wikipedia (NFL, Rugby, Soccer etc) categorise their players by position, such as those at Category:Players of American football by position.
If we decide we don't want have location categories, is that an option instead?
Thoughts? Jevansen ( talk) 08:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
After spending the last few months trying to convert some to the idea that we have 17, not 16 AFL teams, an IP is now pushing for 18. Am I alone in thinking 17 is correct until the end of this year? The-Pope ( talk) 04:56, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
If anyone is interested, I have nominated three articles for deletion, as the players have been delisted and they have never played an AFL match:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Donaldson
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Still
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jarrad Boumann
16:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Laurie Nash is at FAC. -- Roisterer ( talk) 08:14, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering, on the main 2011 AFL season page each week there is at the bottom of the fixture, Bye(s):Gold Coast which list teams who have a bye. For the individual teams season pages ala 2011 Brisbane Lions season, etc after the round title there seems to be just BYE in bold if the team has a bye. Is this the consensus, or is there another way that this should be done? Shadowmaster13 ( talk) 06:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Round 1 | |||||
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Bye Gold Coast |
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Round 1 | |||||
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Gold Coast | v | Bye | |||
Prefer Shadowmaster13's versions - you don't "vs" a bye. The-Pope ( talk) 05:21, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys, just noticed the Club songs section of the Adelaide Crows article. Firstly, I was wondering if someone could tell if someone could tell me if the 1991–1993 song is actually what the Crows' song was in those years, because it looks like a hoax to me. Secondly, is the 1994–present song a copyvio? Cheers, Jenks24 ( talk) 04:28, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
An IP ( 202.182.85.234) has changed the vice-captain and captain on all the AFL player squad templates and the AFL page. I have reverted some of these changes but other still need to be done. I would appreciate some help in this. Ignorant Armie s 08:46, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Participants of this project may be interested in Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#AFL player infoboxes, a proposal to merge the three infoboxes currently in use by this project for biographical articles. Jenks24 ( talk) 03:34, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
An IP ( 202.182.85.234) has changed the vice-captain and captain on all the AFL player squad templates and the AFL page. I have reverted some of these changes but other still need to be done. I would appreciate some help in this. Ignorant Armie s 08:46, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Participants of this project may be interested in Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#AFL player infoboxes, a proposal to merge the three infoboxes currently in use by this project for biographical articles. Jenks24 ( talk) 03:34, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello All, I have started a discussion in the Talk:2007 AFL season results page about whether the 2007 AFL season results page should be deleted due to having duplicate data. Any feedback would be much appreciated. Lindblum ( talk) 13:46, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello All,
Given the success of the new AFL Ladder template being used for the 2011 season, I am asking for permission to update the other ladders to reflect this new style. The appearance is identical to the old template, however by removing the unused text in the template there are huge savings to be made. For a comparison, below are two versions of the 2010 AFL Ladder and their template sizes:
Using 2011 version -
User:Lindblum/AFL Ladder 2010 - 1434 bytes
Using 1995-2010 version -
Template:AFL Ladder/2010 - 2140 bytes
If we change this ladder to the 2011 version. we can save 714 bytes (32.9%) in memory usage. Multiply that by 100 and there is a HUGE amount of data ready to be saved. I am prepared to update all the ladders myself, but I don't want to proceed until I receive feedback on this. Looking forward to hear what you all have to say. Cheers, Lindblum ( talk) 13:39, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Just saw that we have an article on the Queensland Clash (the "rivalry" between Brisbane and the Gold Coast), which led to me to two questions:
1) Does this actually warrant an article? I mean the media's trying to hype it up a bit, but is it really notable?
2) If we do decide to keep the article, surely there must be a better name for it (I'd also like to see Anzac Day clash and Queen's Birthday Clash renamed). So, any opinions on what would be a better name and if the Gold Coast vs Brisbane article should be kept? Jenks24 ( talk) 08:49, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi all, I don't know if anyone has looked into this, yet... I've changed a lot over to Rls templates lately, but I really think there should be a unique template for the AFL or Aussie rules teams. I've just created an AFL squad template based (on the Rls squad). I've made a couple of changes, columns 1 & 2 go down to r (18 entries), and the cruz roja for injured players is pre-included I'd prefer if it could have an automatic columns if it were to go with the Rls style. Or should players be arranged by positions?
It would need an <<player>>-style template to go with it. Does anyone have suggestions or want to look into this?
I'll confess that I'm not an expert on Australian rules, so help would be appreciated
Cashie (
talk)
07:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Reading Sunday's Melbourne Age, there was a reference to Ned Kelly playing centre-half back for VFA club Williamstwon in 1873. It seems a big statement and the back pages of the Sunday Age sport section are sometimes known for their tall stories. Has anybody else heard about this? -- Roisterer ( talk) 01:43, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
At Talk:Australian rules football there has been a discussion about whether AFL is a valid name for the game. One editor there has used the fact that the AFL WikiProject talks about more than just the AFL as justification for his claim that "AFL" is a valid name for the game. To me, AFL is simply the name of the major league in Australia, not the game, but this project seems quite confused about it. HiLo48 ( talk) 03:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
You mean like decimate meaning destroyed and haitch being a letter? I don't see either of those being described as erroneous. And they're truly erroneous (the person doesn't know it's wrong) as opposed to deliberate shortening for convenience, which is the case here. Sellyme Talk 05:50, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering if anyone has, or would know where to find, any information on the results (other than winners and runners-up eg. individual matches) of the VFL's pre-season night series, rather, competitions from 1983–87? A quick Google search didn't come up with anything, but I think they might have been published in some old Footy Records. Any help would be much appreciated, particularly for the 1987 season.
Ignorant
Armies
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11:19, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
I've currently started changing most of the AFL club to navboxes include colour both in the header and in the main section. The previous consensus ( here) was to have only colour in the header of the navbox. My opinion is that it is visually unattractive to have the teams' colours as well as the generic light blue and black in navboxes – once expanded, it looks horrible. The only problem I've had with readability is with the University Football Club template I recently created, although I think I have rectified this. The only other problems I can see would be with the Essendon and Melbourne colour schemes - could be some problems for colour blind people, maybe? I think I'd either prefer all-colour or no colour, as in-between looks horrible. Any thoughts? Ignorant Armies ? ! 12:26, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
1. Colour/colour
2. Colour/no colour
2. No colour/no colour
I guess the no colour one isn't too bad, and would conform with WP:ICONDECORATION. As long as it doesn't end up looking like this
,I'm happy with either outcome. It'd be good to hear some more suggestions. Ignorant Armies ? ! 13:47, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. I'm a participant on WikiProject Rugby league, and I'm currently attempting to make changes to our biographical infobox. The two changes I'm trying to put through are a greater amount of flexibility with British rugby league terminology and, more importantly to you, using {{ tooltip}} where column headers such as "Pld" and "T" use shorthand. You can see examples here. These changes would not affect the vast majority of AFL players, since they use a different infobox, but cross-code players who use the rugby league biographical infobox, such as Karmichael Hunt, will be affected by these changes. It looks a bit awkward having one part of the infobox with {{ tooltip}} and the others not, but it wouldn't be fair for me to put through these changes when other sports WPs are covering the article. Would it be OK for me to use {{ tooltip}} on the optional AFL section of the rugby league biographical infobox, elabourating "Pld" with "Played", "G" with "Goals", and "B" with "Behinds"? Also, please let me know if these terms are incorrect—I'm not familiar with Aussie rules. Thanks, GW (talk) 20:23, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys, I'd appreciate some input from my fellow project members at Talk:Ian Collins (Australian)#Requested move. Cheers, Jenks24 ( talk) 06:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
I know that the scope of this project is a bit of a bone of contention currently but this topic may interest editors who participate here.
Talk:Riverina Football League#Requested move is a bit of a test balloon to see if the amalgamation of football and netball clubs and leagues and the subsequest name changes should be reflected in their article titles in Wikipedia. Cheers, Mattinbgn ( talk) 04:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Anyone know where we're at in relation to merging all existing infoboxes? That was the result of the discussion we had back in April. Has it been put in the too hard basket, forgotten about, or is it still in progress? Jevansen ( talk) 12:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
What is the correct formatting for the goals list? I have seen three common examples.
Example 1: Each # on new line, no notation for 1 goal.
Round 19 | |||||
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Sunday, 31 July 4:10pm | Adelaide | def. | Port Adelaide | AAMI Stadium (crowd: 40,586) | Report |
3.4 (22) 8.7 (55) 13.10 (88) 16.15 (111) |
Q1 Q2 Q3 Final |
1.5 (11) 4.9 (33) 9.10 (64) 11.13 (79) |
Umpires: Margetts, Schmitt, Hay Television broadcast: Channel 7 | ||
Walker 4 Wright, Gunston, Sloane 2 Otten, Henderson, Jacobs, Doughty, Maric, Mackay |
Goals |
Hitchcock 3 Schulz, Ebert, C. Cornes 2 Westhoff, Thomas | |||
van Berlo, Vince, Thompson, Sloane, Johncock, Walker, Dangerfield | Best | Boak, Pearce, Hitchcock, Cassisi, Hartlett, Gray | |||
Nil | Injuries | Jay Schulz (foot and back), Jack Trengove (knee swelling), Tom Logan (foot) | |||
Example 2: Same as above, but with a 1 goal notation.
Round 19 | |||||
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Sunday, 31 July 4:10pm | Adelaide | def. | Port Adelaide | AAMI Stadium (crowd: 40,586) | Report |
3.4 (22) 8.7 (55) 13.10 (88) 16.15 (111) |
Q1 Q2 Q3 Final |
1.5 (11) 4.9 (33) 9.10 (64) 11.13 (79) |
Umpires: Margetts, Schmitt, Hay Television broadcast: Channel 7 | ||
Walker 4 Wright, Gunston, Sloane 2 Otten, Henderson, Jacobs, Doughty, Maric, Mackay 1 |
Goals |
Hitchcock 3 Schulz, Ebert, C. Cornes 2 Westhoff, Thomas 1 | |||
van Berlo, Vince, Thompson, Sloane, Johncock, Walker, Dangerfield | Best | Boak, Pearce, Hitchcock, Cassisi, Hartlett, Gray | |||
Nil | Injuries | Jay Schulz (foot and back), Jack Trengove (knee swelling), Tom Logan (foot) | |||
Example 3: All goals on same line, with the goals notation at the end of the list of players who got that many goals.
Round 19 | |||||
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Sunday, 31 July 4:10pm | Adelaide | def. | Port Adelaide | AAMI Stadium (crowd: 40,586) | Report |
3.4 (22) 8.7 (55) 13.10 (88) 16.15 (111) |
Q1 Q2 Q3 Final |
1.5 (11) 4.9 (33) 9.10 (64) 11.13 (79) |
Umpires: Margetts, Schmitt, Hay Television broadcast: Channel 7 | ||
Walker 4, Wright, Gunston, Sloane 2, Otten, Henderson, Jacobs, Doughty, Maric, Mackay | Goals | Hitchcock 3, Schulz, Ebert, C. Cornes 2, Westhoff, Thomas | |||
van Berlo, Vince, Thompson, Sloane, Johncock, Walker, Dangerfield | Best | Boak, Pearce, Hitchcock, Cassisi, Hartlett, Gray | |||
Nil | Injuries | Jay Schulz (foot and back), Jack Trengove (knee swelling), Tom Logan (foot) | |||
There's also a lesser-used example that seems to be unanimously wrong among the more frequent contributors, which has goals after every single multiple goal-scorer, like this.
Round 19 | |||||
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Sunday, 31 July 4:10pm | Adelaide | def. | Port Adelaide | AAMI Stadium (crowd: 40,586) | Report |
3.4 (22) 8.7 (55) 13.10 (88) 16.15 (111) |
Q1 Q2 Q3 Final |
1.5 (11) 4.9 (33) 9.10 (64) 11.13 (79) |
Umpires: Margetts, Schmitt, Hay Television broadcast: Channel 7 | ||
Walker 4, Wright 2, Gunston 2, Sloane 2, Otten, Henderson, Jacobs, Doughty, Maric, Mackay | Goals | Hitchcock 3, Schulz 2, Ebert 2, C. Cornes 2, Westhoff, Thomas | |||
van Berlo, Vince, Thompson, Sloane, Johncock, Walker, Dangerfield | Best | Boak, Pearce, Hitchcock, Cassisi, Hartlett, Gray | |||
Nil | Injuries | Jay Schulz (foot and back), Jack Trengove (knee swelling), Tom Logan (foot) | |||
So which is correct? I favour examples one and three, three because it's compact (and on season articles that's quite handy), and one because it's convenient and easy to read. Your opinions? Sellyme Talk 23:55, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
If Port Adelaide Football Club and Port Adelaide Football Club (SANFL) are now the same football club why do we need the two articles? The latter seems to be obsolete and should have the 1997-2010 SANFL info worked in to the main article. Hack ( talk) 02:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
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This doesn't really tell people what this project does and was wondering what people thought of something like this:
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I think we need to be advertising what this project can do and give some exposure to some of the outstanding work required. Hack ( talk) 03:20, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
WikiProject Australia articles>Australia articles by WikiProject>WikiProject Australian sports articles>WikiProject AFL articles Hack ( talk) 01:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved by rough consensus. All subpage titles have been properly updated. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 23:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject AFL → Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian rules football –. The scope of the project is the coverage of the sport of Australian rules football. The term AFL is ambiguous as the governing body of the sport and the primary football league share the same name, the former giving rise to a minority use of AFL as a synecdoche for the sport as a whole. Hack ( talk) 02:20, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Just having a look at the AFL articles by quality and importance, I was thinking it might be useful to introduce some rough guidelines as to what constitutes top, high, mid and low importance. These are just my ideas, and further input would be appreciated:
Top: All past, present and future (as in confirmed to be entering, eg. GWS) AFL clubs.
High: Most SANFL, VFL (that is, VFA), WAFL and Tasmanian league (ie. the current Tasmanian State League, and the former NWFU and NTFA) clubs, with the possible exclusion of some turn-of-the-century clubs (eg.
Unions Football Club) – although excluding these might be a case of
WP:RECENTISM. State of Origin teams, if an article exists.
Mid: All AFLQ, AFLCanberra, NTFL, NEAFL and Sydney AFL teams.
Low: The rest.
Top: AFL
High: SANFL, VFL, WAFL, Tasmanian leagues, AFLQ, AFLCanberra, NTFL, NEAFL, Sydney AFL, Foxtel Cup, AFL pre-season competition, potentially the O&M and the
GFL, potentially the International Rules Series (does this count?)
Mid: Well-known regional leagues (eg. Ballarat Football League, Black Diamond, AFLCairns)
Low: The rest. Amateur leagues, low-ranking metropolitan competitions, etc.
Top: Hall of Fame Legends
High: All other Hall of Fame players (ie. players in the Hall of Fame because of their playing ability, not for any other reason). All Brownlow Medallists.
Mid: All All-Australian players. All Coleman and Norm Smith medallists. All high-importance state league best and fairest and Grand Final BOG winners (Sandover, Magarey, Simpson, etc.). Possibly all State of Origin players. All AFL premiership captains.
Low: The rest.
Top: Jock McHale, as a Hall of Fame legend
High: All other Hall of Fame coaches.
Mid: All AFL premiership coaches. Other AFL and state league coaches which are significantly well-known for their contributions to the game or longevity (
Rodney Eade springs to mind – 300+ games)
Low: The rest.
Mid: All Hall of Fame inductees. Other AFL and state league umpires which are known for their longevity or other reasons (eg.
Hayden Kennedy).
Low: The rest.
Mid: All Hall of Fame inductees. Other AFL and state league administrators which are known for their longevity or other reasons (eg.
Eddie McGuire :P).
Low: The rest.
Top: MCG (arguable) High: All AFL grounds. Mid: All state league grounds. Overseas grounds which have hosted exhibition matches
Top: Brownlow, Coleman, Norm Smith High: Sandover, Magarey, Liston, Grand Final BOG awards, Leigh Matthews Trophy, Rising Star Mid: AFLPA Awards, Goal of the Year, Mark of the Year, Club best & fairests Low: The rest.
Decision made based on content.
These are just my own personal thoughts and would only be rough guidelines. Further comments would be appreciated. Ignorant Armies ? ! 12:04, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Clubs: I think teams like Unions that only played for a few years in the should only be mid. On the same note, I would argue that University probably only needs to be high. Not sure about the Bears (possibly only high for them as well), but Fitzroy should definitely be top. Similarly, GWS should only be top once it's playing in the AFL. I'd also include TAC Cup teams as mid.
Leagues: I'd argue that we should bump up the WAFL, SANFL, TSL (maybe even VFA) up to top. VAFA should probably be high (they beat a combined Vic Country side this year and contests are pretty even between the two). GFL should probably be high (very important in its day), but I'm too sure about the O&M – include them and arguments could be made for GV, Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, etc. I'd also include TAC Cup as at least mid.
Players. Think you might be a bit harsh here. I'd have all VFL/AFL club b&f winners. All VFL/AFL captains (and any that were captain for a significant amount of time in the SANFL, WAFL, VFA). Possibly even anyone who has played >200 VFL/AFL matches.
Coaches: looks good.
Umpires: Looks fine, except Jack Elder should be high (umpire of the century) and they do name an All-Australian umpire every season nowadays, so might be worth bumping them up to mid.
Administrators: Looks OK, except I'd argue that some VFL presidents should be high; William C. McClelland (26 years in charge) springs to mind.
Grounds: yep, except in my mind there is no doubt that the home of football would be top :)
Awards: Looks good.
In all, I think it's very good and wouldn't be surprised to find that this is generally followed already. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:18, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
For those interested the WAFL has a spreadsheet detailing all WAFL/WANFL/WASFL/Westar premiership players from 1931 to 2009. Its real value comes in the listing of player middle names, many of whom have WP articles. Hack ( talk) 06:08, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
I note that Craig Holden and Andrew Taylor (Australian footballer) are both in the Indigenous Australian players of Australian rules football category. Sadly, I'm old enough to have followed their respective careers first hand and I don't recall either being referred to as Indigenous (and this list on the AFL site doesn't list them either). Is anyone going to complain if I remove the Indigenous category from their articles? -- Roisterer ( talk) 11:34, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Is the Len Clark who played 14 times for Collingwood the son of Len Incigneri referred here as 'Len Clark (Incigneri)'? I realise it was a pretty common name but just wanted to check... Hack ( talk) 02:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
just to say that your sport is not in that great table, you should do something about-- Feroang ( talk) 02:29, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm just wondering what the general feeling is for which is the preferred format for premiership templates. I think it'd be nice to have all of them uniform.
The two main styles I'm seeing are these:
Match scores, full club name, no premiership number:
No scores, club "squad", premiership number:
Personally I prefer the Sydney version, simply because it provides pertinent information in a clean manner, but since I've seen a bit of edit warring on a few of them, I was just curious as to what is preferred. Thefourdotelipsis ( talk) 13:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
For example, James Hird. The blob of templates at the bottom looks ridiculous and has gotten completely out of hand IMHO. The category shows 527!. I'm not against navboxes in general but many of these are trivial and don't really improve articles. Template:Richmond Leading Goalkickers for example, would work perfectly well as a category. There's so many though I just don't know where to start. If I'm the only person that's bothered about this I'll let it drop. Either way, I'd be grateful for some feedback. Moondyne ( talk) 14:59, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
I have noticed a significant number of occurrences of superscripted ordinals in AFL-related articles. Kindly note that this practice is discouraged in the relevant guideline. Thanks, -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 02:10, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Deletion discussion here on Carlton Football Club salary cap breach, if anyone's interested. Ignorant Armies ? ! 08:23, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Found List of AFL Shows tonight. Apart from it being completely unreferenced, incomplete, some recentism and some out-of-date-ism and the AFL/Aussie rules name issue, is it worth keeping/improving? Does Category:Australian rules football television series cover it enough? The cat doesn't allow for the hosts/channel/era to be listed, but referencing it all will be very tough. So should we nuke it or improve it? The-Pope ( talk) 13:43, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I think that hatnotes (little line at the top of an article) at AFL Grand Final at Australian Football League should point 2011 AFL season while the Grand Final is recent. Maybe there is a special template that does this.-- Commander Keane ( talk) 06:00, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Not all change is progressive! There seems to be a drive to impose historically incorrect "infoboxes" on players who played in earlier times, when players had day jobs, were free of tattoos, kicked stab kicks forty yards, and long before there was any sort of draft system. The direct consequence of this action is easy to see when you compare:
You will notice that not only has vitally important information on his first game played, opponent played against, and ground that the match was played at disappeared from the infobox, it has also, through this dastardly act, disappeared from the article (due to the fact that the previous version of the article only displayed the information on these matters in the infobox).
So, I suppose my point is this . . .
Given that it seems inevitable that this deliberate destruction of information and misrepresentation of fact will continue, due the view that everything must move ahead, can those responsible for what is, in my opinion, pointless vandalism (by the act of imposing the future upon the past), at least do the entire world the courtesy of incorporating the information that once was displayed in the infobox into the text of the article, before the beastly new version infobox is allowed to take the place of the correct original version?
And, as well, can whomsoever is (or are) responsible for all of the past vandalism trawl back through their convoluted pathway of destruction and make suitable adjustments to the texts of the articles. Lindsay658 ( talk) 09:51, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
I've just seen Daniel Bass pop up on recent changes and I think it might be worthwhile to see if we can come to a decision about delisted players who never played an AFL match. Is it worth creating a "Delisted players who never played a senior match" section at List of Port Adelaide Football Club players and redirecting there? Or, is he not even worth a redirect? I can sometimes see the value in keeping a redirect if there's chance they might get back on an AFL list, but in Bass's case, he's 25 and there seems to be no chance that he could get back onto an AFL list. What do you guys think? Jenks24 ( talk) 07:02, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Speaking about redirects and Bass in particular, what would you consider the threshold for being (for lack of a better word) 'worth' a redirect? Bass played state football (even played finals for South Adelaide this year), so is it just that he now has no chance of ever playing an AFL match, or is that he was only on the rookie list and he had very little coverage at all? Jenks24 ( talk) 08:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Ok, so there was a bit of discussion between Jenks and I above about the premiership templates, which were really all over the shop in terms of format and design. So I went ahead brought all 115+ to the same standard of design. I'm mentioning it here in the hopes that if one aspect of said design is changed, that it then be applied to all 115+ of the other templates in the interest in uniformity.
For better or worse, I used the most recent template as the standard.
I added the nowrap template to prevent the messy effect that you would sometimes see, depending on your monitor/resolution/window/whatever size, where a player's number would be on one line and the name would be on the next. This is pretty straightforward, it's been added to all templates, so we only need to worry about in the last weekend of next September. Or the first weekend of October as it sometimes is nowdays.
Basically the notable features that I've applied to all templates are these.
Beyond this, I've also altered some of the combined templates and added a whole extra set. Basically what I've applied goes like so.
So yeah, I hope you're sufficiently bored by now if you've got all that, but I've laid it all out here in the interest of uniformity. It took a lot of time getting these all into shame, and it would be very disappointing if some people just went around and applied a new design facet or principle to just their team's set of templates (so St Kilda, Freo, Port, and Footscray fans don't worry me much. Hardy har har.) I've done this in the hope of at least improving one aspect of Wikipedia's AFL coverage in terms of neatness, presentation, and uniformity, and while I'm not emotionally attached in any way to any of the principles and aspects that I've outlined here and applied to all these templates, I'd appreciate if there was some way that these could be codified, policed, and ultimately discussed at large before any wholesale change is made to the standard.
Cheers, Thefourdotelipsis ( talk) 11:40, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
.... And I disagree as to how to best show the GWS trades. Pls comment at Talk:2011 AFL Draft. The-Pope ( talk) 00:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi all. I was thinking of splitting Category:All-Australians into two subcats, Category:All-Australians (1953–1988) and Category:All-Australians (AFL) (or perhaps Category:All-Australians (AFL era), to distinguish between the two different phases that the award has gone through. Any opinions? Jenks24 ( talk) 05:13, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Anyone got a copy of The Encyclopedia of AFL Footballers handy? We have an article, Roy Zanders, but I can't find any references to him online. All the stats sites have him listed as Jack Zander (and the official AFL stats site appears to be down). So, can anyone figure out what the deal is? Jenks24 ( talk) 00:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
For those interested in how this project is arranged, Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Australian rules football articles by quality log is a useful page to watchlist and keep an eye on. It logs each article added, removed or renamed into the project. Yesterday's renaming log was interesting in that apart from a sponsored name to the unsponsored name and a commonname move, the other three moves, made by Jevansen, Jenks24 and myself, all involved moving ambiguous names to or away from article titles with middle initials. I moved Nick G. Stone to Nick Stone (footballer born 1972) (and created Nick Stone (footballer born 1981)). I totally understand the argument against using DOB, as you are unlikely to know them, but unlike cricket, where the "DK Lillee" or "SK Warne" is fairly well known, in AFL/VFL you are generally even less likely to know their middle name/initial.
Jev moved Jim Stewart (Australian footballer) back to Jim L. Stewart, with the comment that there are 4 Jim Stewarts who played VFL (and a Scottish footballer too). He was born in 1917, the other 3 were all in the 1880s - see this list. Unless we get lucky, or they were unlucky enough to enrol for the war, I doubt we'd find middle initials for the other 3,(of course after I post this I check out the "lists of players" and sure enough, they are already listed a F., A. and H. - and F./1884 has an article!) so they'll probably end up at Jim Stewart (Australian footballer born 1884), Jim Stewart (Australian footballer born 1888) and Jim Stewart (Australian footballer born 1889).
Jenks24 moved Paul O'Brien (Australian rules footballer, born 1950) to Paul F. O'Brien, to match Paul J. O'Brien (born 1961) and Paul S. O'Brien (born 1948). There is also an actor and rugby league player (probably born late 1950s, but not stated) - amazingly all 5 Paul O'Briens notable to be here are Australian! I'd probably prefer to see them all at Paul O'Brien (Australian footballer born 1950) or similar.
So should we standardise which way we dab, unless it's a very complicated one? I'd lean towards footballer (or Australian footballer) born XXXX as the first option for "double dabbing" and only go to initials if that doesn't work (ie duplication or not known)? Whatever we choose, we should start "booking out" the redlinks on the dab pages, with a blue link to the relevant List of Foo Football Club players, like I did at Peter Stephens (disambiguation) and am about to do for the Jim Stewarts, to stop well meaning external editors from undoing our prep work for future dabs.
Finally, I see that we've used a mix of (footballer born XXXX) and (footballer, born XXXX), whereas a check of English soccer players shows that they never use a comma. The examples given at WP:QUALIFIER also don't use commas, but I'm not that fussed about this part, but won't be using them myself. The-Pope ( talk) 16:41, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
I know I've been guilty of muddying the waters by inconsistently applying both the birth and middle initial disambiguation to various articles, as we haven't really got any guidelines on this, so I'm glad this has been brought up. While it would be much easier to have a standard DAB for players of the same name, it doesn't mean that it's going to result in the best disambiguation for each individual case. For example, recently East Freo player Jack K. Clarke was moved Jack Clarke (West Australian footballer), to avoid ambiguity with the Essendon player of the same name. I think, for that case, it works perfectly and is a better solution than a DOB or middle initial. So I think that, while the birth and middle initial won't always result in the best DAB for each case, we could at least come to a decision over which of the two takes precedence. For that I'd vote for the birthdate one, because, as mentioned above, the middle initial seems to be discouraged. Jevansen ( talk) 01:55, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Guys, I have a problem. There's an IP trying to add controversial information to this page and he refuses to admit that a problem exists and won't produce back up evidence. The details are on the talk page. I can't revert his latest edit because I'll violate 3RR. I'm about to report the IP for it, and I may also ask for the page to be protected. I need someone to revert him back. Parkside's 2009 Division 3 premiership is not a proper premiership under present verifiable evidence per the NFL By Laws. Footy Freak7 ( talk) 00:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I am wanting use the photograph at [15]. All of the team members are listed at [16]. Of the ten VFL players shown, I can easily identify, from left (1) ----, (2) ?possibly Des Fothergill, (3) ----, (4) ----, (5) Dick Reynolds, (6) ----, (7) ----, (8) Jack Dyer, (9) Phonse Kyne, and (10) ? possibly Ron Todd. Can anyone help me with the identification of the others? Thanks. Lindsay658 ( talk) 04:42, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Have sorted them out a bit more (1) ----, (2) ?possibly Des Fothergill (Collingwood), (3) ----, (4) ----, (5) Dick Reynolds (Essendon), (6) Jock Cordner (North Melbourne), (7) Jim Park (Carlton), (8) Jack Dyer (Richmond), (9) Phonse Kyne (Collingwood), and (10) Norman Ware (Footscray). Any thoughts on the others? Lindsay658 ( talk) 07:07, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Not directly related to Australian rules footy… though some Paralympians and disability sport athletes did play the game before they became disabled… Wikimedians to the Games is a collaboration drive to improve Australian Paralympic articles, with the most active contributors having an opportunity to go attend the Paralympic Games and to cover the Games behind the scenes with a press pass. The top two contributors will get their airfare and accommodation paid for. :) The drive official starts on 10 January 2012. (If this works out well, it might be a good way for Wikimedia Australia to try to develop a similar partnership with an AFL team.) -- LauraHale ( talk) 09:55, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
I stumbled upon a couple of articles of female footballers and was wondering if there were any specific notability guidelines. A couple of articles in Category:Women's Australian rules footballers appear to be notable under WP:GNG - Shannon McFerran and Joanne Butland - while others like Daisy Pearce seem less clearcut. Hack ( talk) 06:18, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Alan Coomey Brian Currane Brian Shortall Cathal Corr Cian Quigley David Stynes Derek Mulligan Diarmuid Griffin Donal Boylan Fearghal Purcell Fergal Bradshaw Joe Cunnane John Lack O'Sullivan Liam O'Connor (Irish footballer) Michael Currane Roch Hanmore Hack ( talk) 15:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Hey guys, there's a TfD that you might want to have a look at, see Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 February 1#Template:Infobox AFL player. I've already left some questions there, so hopefully we can some response on whether the merge from 10 months ago is going to happen. Jenks24 ( talk) 00:34, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
What do we all think of these? - you know, the ones on the Selwood and most Geelong articles. I'm a strong fan, but the Pope has a differing opinion. Aaroncrick TALK 10:50, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I think I understand the intention behind Category:Australian Football League Awards Seasons Voting, but I can't think what it should be renamed to (the current title is awkward at best). Or maybe it should be deleted entirely and the articles in it upmerged to Category:Australian Football League awards? Jenks24 ( talk) 03:51, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
For anyone who is interested and has a spare league spot, I thought that we could have a Wikipedia based AFL Dream Team league. I've got an empty league called WPAFL #850244 that you can join to see who will come second behind the Popestars. I'm not doing Supercoach as my 1-man protest against the Herald Sun paywall (I know that Supercoach is still free, but it's the principal of the thing!) Get in quick, I think the leagues are finalised before the Swans/Giants kick it off this weekend, but it might be delayed until next week when the full lockout occurs. The-Pope ( talk) 14:45, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
I see he's been keen to add some detail to his own bio. Someone check it out. Causing much amusement on BigFooty. 58.26.155.10 ( talk) 01:35, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
From a housekeeping perspective, we need to get Greater Western Sydney into the table on the main page. A decision needs to be made on whether or not to style them as 'Greater Western Sydney' or 'GWS' in the common short form; and, when a preferred style is to determined, to then specify when it is appropriate (if at all) to use the other form.
I know it lends to a potentially annoying scenario with two different rules, but I'd like to see them styled as 'Greater Western Sydney' in text, but as 'GWS' in tables and lists. One reason is aesthetics - 'Greater Western Sydney' is so much longer than any other team name (except Woodville-West Torrens) that it makes the 'teams' column really long and introduces a lot of otherwise dead space into the table. But even without that, I feel that it matches with common usage - commentators or journalists would be more likely to use 'GWS' when reading a score, but 'Greater Western Sydney' would be the more formal alternative when writing about the club.
We would need to establish separate {{AFL GWS}} templates for the two options to go down this path. Aspirex ( talk) 11:38, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Maxwell Final Eight System. Am I wrong? Judging by the quality of most of the other edits by the article's creator, I think we've been had. Well played Llama-Blimp, you won (until now). The-Pope ( talk) 16:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I've uploaded a few pictures, admittedly not great, of players at yesterday's match in Canberra. They can be found at commons:Category:Gold Coast Football Club players and commons:Category:GWS Giants players. They are sorted by players. When players weren't back on, they weren't identified. Anyway, help choosing the best ones and putting them into relevant articles would be much appreciated. -- LauraHale ( talk) 03:55, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
With the sad passing of Charlie Sutton I started to look through some Trove newspapers for some old photos that we could use in his article (the article itself needs expansion). Everyone should be aware that, (AFAIK I'm not a lawyer, do your own research disclaimer etc disclaimer) all pre-1955 photos are public domain in Australia, so can be uploaded here with a {{ PD-Australia}} copyright tag. But they can't be uploaded to commons, they need to be pre-1946 there, as that is the US equiv date for PD images. As I read it, the date of the original photograph is all that matters, so ANY photo that is republished now that was taken in 1954 or earlier - ie any 1954 Grand Final photo, should be public domain and can be uploaded here freely. The Trove newspaper photos are often very poor quality scans, so keep an eye out for any decent, clearly dated images on the news/AFL websites.
When you search the old newspapers, you find some absolute gems for predictions... like this one from 1951 by Hugh Buggy "Recruit shines. Officials are pleased at the excellent showing of young Ted Whitten, a rangy youth of 17, who played at centre half-forward for Braybrook last year." source Yep, I reckon they would have been pleased for quite a while longer too! The-Pope ( talk) 08:28, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Just clicked through to check something out... and it's gone. No more. read the reasons Hopefully the old info is moved across and auto redirects put in place, other wise we'll have a few hundred dead links to deal with. I think some of the info was published in a book that is at least partially on google books, but again it's the effort needed to change the links. The-Pope ( talk) 16:49, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
So apparently the whole site was archived by the National Library... [20]...might be able to give life to a few dead link. I ♦ A 15:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Whilst trying to clean out some old cleanup tags (feel free to help out!) I've come across quite a few barely notable, unreferenced, deadlinked or poorly, non-independently referenced lower level league season articles. Luckily, we have Category:Australian rules football competition seasons to hold them, which includes AFL, WAFL and VFL subcats (no sign of any SANFL ones yet!) The remainder includes:
Tassie Leagues: OK (might need to expand the acronyms, NTFL especially):
NEAFL: OK, recent, has coverage
Women's Nationals: probably OK at the high level of final results only, not game by game
Junior National: OK, given the high level of coverage
TAC Cup: maybe OK, prefer the high level of final ladder and finals results only
Canandian: doubt we'll ever find independent reliable sources, so I think we should nuke em.
Country Vic: Local paper would cover, maybe the small print in the Age, but not "significant coverage", and not online anymore (sportingpulse is awful to try to reference over multiple years). Maybe prune them back to final ladder, finals and award winners only, or nuke? The (West) Gippsland FL ones are probably the closest - finals only and at least try to have refs. The NFL and BDAFL ones are far too detailed and all the links are dead. I know more than most that dead links can still be valid refs, but these aren't independent, nor likely to be archived.
And a weird half completed combination, that I've already prodded.
So what do we do? Prod all that are overly detailed and almost certainly unable to be referenced? Trim most back to bare minimum details? Notifying most of the initial contributors would be useless as few still contribute. The-Pope ( talk) 13:37, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
In the tables accompanying player articles, I have started to include the matches played in non-AFL/VFL leagues (SANFL & WAFL) in the player table (to see what I mean, check out David Hynes). With Hynes I'd also add whatever games he played for South Australia & Western Australia, and while I wouldn't be including games he may have played for Grong Grong Matong or whatever, I'd also look to include any international rules matches played and perhaps matches in other state leagues. What do people think? Is how I have listed the matches in the table ok? Other thoughts? -- Roisterer ( talk) 12:41, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I notice, for example, Robert Nash (Australian rules footballer), who played for Footscray in its VFA days, is categorised as Cat:Footscray Football Club (VFA) players. Perhaps the best result would be categorising the pre-97 Port players as Cat:Port Adelaide Football Club (SANFL) players (or similar), Port AFL players as Cat:Port Adelaide Football Club players and those that played for 1997-2010 SANFL Port Adelaide as Cat:Port Magpies players (Gavin Wanganeen for example would have each of these three categories). -- Roisterer ( talk) 23:48, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I agree in principle to listing games for VFA/VFL, SANFL, WAFL, TANFL, NTFA and NWFU where that player is a senior listed player at the club. But I have the following comments: 1) I'd order the clubs chronologically, rather than grouping them into leagues. If necessary, sub-totals for the different leagues can be included at the bottom of the list. The Hynes article clearly demonstrates this, as the way the box is constructed implies the VFL has hierarchial precedence over the SANFL/WAFL (particularly with the 'AFL total' being in bold), but the fact that we've summed the numbers suggests they should have hierarchial equivalence. 2) Adding the games together to produce a final total directly implies equivalency between the games, so we need to clearly define when this can and cannot be done, because there is a point at which the SANFL/WAFL/etc. matches cease to be equivalent to VFL/AFL matches. I would suggest that 1987 for Western Australia and 1991 for South Australia, grandfathered, would be the appropriate cut-off (i.e. a player who starts an SANFL career prior to 1991 gets to count that entire SANFL career as equivalent to the VFL/AFL, including any years played after 1991; but, a player whose career began in 1991 or later could not consider the two leagues equivalent. In Hynes' case, his SANFL games would have equivalency to his VFL/AFL games, but his WAFL games would not). The VFA - clearly games are equivalent prior to 1897, but although I feel they should retain equivalency for some time after that, I can't think of any other non-arbitrary way of specifying it. Other questions to be answered are:
Essentially, to be consistent, we need to unambiguously define what is and isn't "top level football"; and since I don't believe the AFL has an officially sanctioned definition, I think we're setting ourselves up for trouble. I'm still 100% in support of listing all of the above leagues in the infobox, except where a player is assigned only as a reserves player. And, where it is obviously equivalent (SANFL before 1991, WAFL before 1987), adding the three leagues together for a total. Aspirex ( talk) 06:46, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if there were any special design concerns for an AFL stadium? If so, then perhaps an article should be written for it? Australian football stadium or somesuch (this would be separate from that for the playing surface article Australian rules football playing field ). 70.49.127.65 ( talk) 22:21, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
As some of you may have noticed, a few AFL rivalry articles (including QClash, Sydney Derby (AFL), Western Derby and Showdown (AFL)) were nominated for deletion and subsequently speedily kept. As they stand, the articles do not meet WP:NRIVALRY as they do not show the rivalrys' importance in multiple non-trivial, reliable sources. I believe that the Western Derby and Showdown articles should be able to comfortably meet the criteria but I wonder if the QClash and Sydney Derby pages are premature given the limited coverage of the actual rivalry. Any thoughts? Hack ( talk) 08:07, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Interesting to note that The encyclopedia of AFL footballers by Holmesby & Main is the 21st most referenced book on Wikipedia, which is a damn good result considering Australian rules football is hardly the biggest topic out there. Only one sports related book (Wrestling Title Histories) has more references. -- Roisterer ( talk) 12:49, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Having come into contact with members of this project recently, I have come across multiple articles that have a severe lack of verifiable, independent sources. Remember that something that exists is not inherently notable, it requires significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Rather than run into more problems by creating deletion debates, I have written up a list of articles that I believe lack notability references so that this project can improve them, or if they aren't notable, list them for deletion or merge where appropriate as per WP:N. Right now many of them appear to be simple listcruft. A list still requires the topic of the list to be notable. In general I only tagged and article if it had less than 5 independent reliable sources. I also excluded biography pages as I am less knowledge about the process for those type of pages. Macktheknifeau ( talk) 18:49, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I think you guys ought to know that Mack has just reported afl.com.au as an unreliable source, arguing that it isn't independent when we know from Media Watch that it is as of last year I think. I think this guy is trouble TBH. For your info. Footy Freak7 ( talk) 10:11, 16 July 2012 (UTC)