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I'm really confused by the purpose of this page. Why would someone not post on Requested Articles or just make the article themselves instead of posting a blurb here? It just seems, based on some of the content here already, that this page will be a magnet for (1) a lot of work keeping it formatted and (2) (cynically) a 10 or 20 to 1 ratio of subsubstub items destined for speedy deletion to something expandable.
I bring this up because I almost speedied this page as nonsense before you put the formatting at the top. :( -- Syrthiss 23:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
How come you can't just create an article WITHOUT creating an account????
Did the rules about un-registered Wikipedians change so that only registered Wikipedians now have the right to start articles?? If so, what day to be exact?? Georgia guy 23:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm inclined to think we should be pretty swift at simply removing the silly requests. There's no need to clutter what is already a busy page. - Splash talk 00:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
What exactly is the objection to reminding admins that they are not specially imbued with editorial authority? (See this diff and the page as rendered.) And Splash, if you don't mind, keep out of it. It's clear you're too emotionally invested in the issue. You made a mistake. That happens. I can forgive that. But I can't forgive retaliation against those who point out the mistake or those who repair it. 216.237.179.238 16:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
It belongs here because some admins have forgotten it, or never bothered to read it in the first place. The text of the change talks about both admins and other page creators. But page creators who do not have admin privileges and thus do not have special power to abuse (like deleting a page another admin created though the first admin did not want it created†). So admins do need an extra helping of reminder.
There is clearly need to lay instructions around it, because the problem occurred as predicted. It's evident that editors looking at this page do not always know what they're doing. There is not too much instruction at the top, because this instruction is needed. I agree that subpages would unbalance the simplicity.
† - this is a special problem. There is an ethic among admins that once one of them has made a decision, another can not reverse it without an argument. This means that one admin, simply by being there first, can cause lengthy turmoil with a wrong decision. And nobody can pretend that admins are infallible. The basing of decisions on subjective opinion rather than objective rules is especially troublesome in such a model. Thus it is doubly important that admins be reminded that their role is that of an intelligent program, not an opinionated editor. 216.237.179.238 20:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Anon page creation restriction for information on the new (test) rule. -- Mkill 02:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
How long should the archives archive? Can we cap the amount of archived articles at 25? -- user:zanimum
Refresh my memory: can I delete such stuff as Grant Ferrel (vanity) on sight or do I need to list it somewhere?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:00, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
There are going to be a lot of anonymous editors reading this page, and most of them will be unfamiliar with our site. In those circumstances, they aren't going to read the page as thoroughly as we would hope. We need to try to keep the introduction as short as possible, while still communicating the essentials. I've removed a few instructions, and reformatted the introduction. For example, I have yet to see anyone actually sign their posts, and it seems unlikely that we're going to convince them to, so I've removed this instruction. -- Creidieki 02:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't get it. What does this page do that Requested Articles doesn't do better? Dpbsmith (talk) 19:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest that if a request is made without initial content, the responding user make an entry in the appropriate sub-page of Wikipedia:Requested articles and advise of its move and the reason (no initial content). Maybe someone can make a polite template for this? Is this too much help? Maybe just a note to the requestor on where it nmeeds to go? -- Elliskev 20:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
After a request has been acted upon (page created, redirect created, etc) and a reply is posted, what happens next and when? I have done a couple or 3. Am I responsible for archiving after a certain amount of time? If not, what's the process? -- Elliskev 20:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
...this is working substantially better than I believed it would. Has the level of pure crap showing up in RC/NP gone down in any measurable way? android 79 18:09, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
There's a very big problem with this page. IT doesn't result in articles with correct authorship attributions. The editors who create the page do not reference AfC all the time, or reference the sourcing author, nor does it appear on the talk page (which is never created).
Doesn't this violate some various WikiPedia rules? 132.205.45.148 20:55, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
How cool would it be to have a Children: namespace that had articles written by the twelve and under crowd? Like the monkeys and Apes request that's on the project page now. -- Elliskev 01:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, there's Simple Wikipedia but that's not quite what you're after. - Splash talk 01:05, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
There's also Wikijunior, which is written for 8-12 year olds. -- user:zanimum
Faster wikipedians you need to answer peoples requests. Maoririder 16:33, 9 December 2005 (UTC) i got ZZ180 and stuff.
Not your call, really. Let them get started. If they never go anywhere, they can be deleted. If they suck, they can be speedy-deleted. The purpose of the anon-page-create ban was not to add another layer of quality control, but to stop vandalism and slander. Having a new page in situ with some skeletal information allows editing to proceed within the destination context. Pages are created all the time as placeholders to be expanded. There's even a process for requesting it and a myriad of options for suggesting just what you think the goal of the expansion might be. Treating anon authors as second-class in this regard is just snobbery, and sadly borders on bigotry in the minds of some. -- 216.237.179.238 00:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I have created a template {{ nothanks-afc}} to leave on the talk pages of users who submit copyvio text to this page. It probably needs work - but this is a wiki, so please improve it. Thryduulf 17:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
The AfC page should have a history like the deletion pages do, of past requests, as these requests actually contain content (unlike Requested Articles). 132.205.44.134 01:35, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
It seems like this page is getting a bit unwieldy. I originally left an "archive" link at the top, and was envisioning that pages would be left on AFC for a few days. But AFC is receiving very high traffic, and it has become difficult to tell which results still need attention. So, I'd like to suggest some changes. I'll be perfectly happy to do the necessary rearrangement of the page, if people seem to agree:
For myself, it seems like these changes would make the page a lot easier to deal with, but I've been doing graduate school applications for the last few days, and others might be more involved in the current page. If there are no disagreements, I'll probably change things in the next day or two.
Thanks for all of the help, -- Creidieki 07:51, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Just a thought, but should we be compiling statistics for this little experiment? Like, perhaps, percentage of pages created (pages created with community approval / number of requests), percentage of pages not created with community approval because they'd be AFD material, pecentage of pages not created beacause they'd be speedy material, etc. Might give us a glance at how effective this idea is. Well, just a thought, what do you guys think? - orion eight ( talk) 20:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm going to start collecting some stats from the archives. Does anyone have any more ideas for stats we could collect? So far, I'm thinking something like this:
Articles requested
Articles created
Articles not created
What do you guys think? - orion eight ( talk) 01:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I did a survey of new pages created on Friday, 2 December. It's at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Some numbers about new pages. It would be brilliant if somebody did the same thing for the pages created on Friday, 9 december, so we can compare them. Of course, this iteration doesn't need separate columns for anons and logged in users, since anons can't currently create pages. Zocky 04:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Anons can create talk page, why don't we tell them to make the article they want on the talk page and then list it here? If we like it, we can easily move it into the main namespace, or if it hangs around for 24 hours or so it can be speedied with no fuss. Kappa 01:24, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Stupid idea. I wanted to create an article about the Spring anemone Pulsatilla vernalis as I did for other biological stuff before. See Pulsatilla vernalis, how such a start article would look like, including an image from commons. I got several reasons NOT to work with an account (I do have an account, but don't use it anymore since february - intentionally!) One main reason is that I don't like all the personal discussions with people flooding user talk pages, instead of concentrating questions or criticism on a specific article. I mean Wikipedia ia an awesome project. But if you force people who really want to create an encyclopedia and therefore do that without all the community and teenage babble, to work with an account, I'll leave (certainly, will follow the discussion). - Peter 10:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Just wanted to rebutt the idea that it would not be feasible to create a throwaway account for each new article Peter (or anyone else) wishes to create. E says e developes a full article offline, then just wants to upload it to the wiki, but doesn't want to create a list of the article's he's done this with(i.e. a contribution list). This is entirely feasible, requiring a minimal number of extra clicks. I expand on this in detail below.
To upload an article as a non-logged in user(before this new rule):
To upload an article with a one-use account:
This may seem like lots more work, and for a one-line stub it certainly may be, but compared to the time it takes to write an article like Pulsatilla vernalis(mentioned above as an example similar to Peter's work), it is utterly negligible. If Peter wishes to contribute in this fashion, I see no problem with this, and I hope, e sees that this is a negligble addition to his work in uploading the articles. 134.10.12.35 23:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Would increasing the visibility of the "don't copy stuff from webpages" bit in the page header make any difference? I doubt it, but putting it in a nice, big colorful box might be worth a try... android 79 19:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I just marked one request probably a not notable biography and another a copyright violation. Within minutes zanimum had deleted them.
There is no way that the people making the requests will have had time to see the reasons for the rejection and challenge them. They are probably going to assume that they were removed for vandals, or think that people are exercising vicarious power.
I've noticed this user deleting or archiving prematurely on several previous occasions. He's also deleted caveated creates (e.g. naming convention changes and warnings about POV and verifiability).
Generally the sort of person who makes use of this page won't understand how to use the history, and even if they do, the articles are being deleted in blocks without an adequate edit summary, so they will have to trawl through the whole history to find out what happened.
There is a secondary benefit in leaving up rejects, in that some requestors may realise that their requests will be rejected.
-- David Woolley 14:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
This page needs the AfC redirect page to be created, to match VfD, CfD, etc deletion page redirectors. I requested this in AfC itself, and it was not fulfilled, so I'd like a discussion on the issue. 132.205.45.148 21:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps the text "Click here to request a new article" on the top of the page can be better changed to something like "Click here to submit a proposal for a new article" or something like that, since the current text may be confusing to new users (who wouldn't know the difference between this page and Wikipedia:Requested articles). 131.111.8.102 18:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
deleted everything attention!! help bring back
I really want to know? Why aren't people following the instructions at the top of the page? You can enlarge the font in which it's written, put the letters in purple or red, make it flash. It all doesn't matter. People still put in requests with insufficient or no information and sources are usually absent as well. Why is following instructions so hard? - Mgm| (talk) 13:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I've just readded a number of entries which were removed while some looked quite viable. Please explain why it's not a valid topic and leave it up for at least a day, so anons can see what's happening. - Mgm| (talk)
If someone asks us to create an article about a non-notable person, clan, cat or whatever, it would be nice to tell them about an alternative that will accept this kind of thing instead of just saying "no". Any suggestions? WP:Alternatives doesn't really help atm. Kappa 04:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
We need a better way to manage this page. Would subpages and transclusion be a bad idea for a page so frequently visited by newbies? android 79 14:02, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I've got ideas for two sets of templates. The first would be for noting "bad" requests made on the project page: "Please provide more sources", "That's a nn-bio", "You're logged in! You don't need AfC", etc., only phrased much more nicely with a informative-but-concise explanation of why the request can't (or won't) be fulfilled. The second set would be counterparts to the first set to be placed on the requestor's talk page. Would these see enough use to make their creation worthwhile? android 79 14:14, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
As the policy on creating articles has been changed, surely this page should be likewise?
Also - could there be some more organisation of the various requests for creation so we can spot those in our fields more readily?
Jackiespeel 18:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
The proportion of prima facie copyrght violations here makes me wonder about the ones that got through before and from logged in users.
Although some users may be trying it on to try and get copyright violations laundered into Wikipedia, I think most are from people who just don't understand the concept. If the proportion here is indicative of the proportion on the rest of Wikipedia, it would seem that an active copyright violation search needs to be done for every new article and every big change. That's only easy for copying for things in public, indexable, parts of the web. -- David Woolley 18:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Wikinews had a scheme just like this for quite a while. The experience of Wikinews was that a strong sourcing policy is a good idea, and works well. No article was created at Wikinews unless the submission cited at least one source. Editors would request sources for submissions that didn't have them, but if no sources were presented within a reasonable amount of time, submissions would be discarded. (Of course, editors processing submissions could go and find sources themselves, too.) Uncle G 08:06, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I've done the 17th and the 18th for you, requesting source citations for all submissions that do not cite any. If you think that a strong sourcing policy is a good idea, please help by continuing in this vein from now on. Uncle G 18:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
The list of articles created up the top looks like it was used on the 11th and 12th, briefly on the 15th, and not since then. Should we scrap it altogether? Stevage 01:45, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
I suggest we create a perfect "proposal" example for anons to use as an example before writing up their proposal. I don't have the inspiration right now to do it properly, but it should look like:
Subject: [[John Smith]]
'''John Smith''' is a major league baseball player in the USA. He plays for... ==Sources== [http://thetimes.com/john-smith-the-baseball-player]
Stevage 02:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Title:
Information:
Reference Url:
I think a lot of people come to this page and have no idea what to do and don't want to read the whole thing so they just give up. This could be more friendly with a nice GUI.
This page is HUGE (currently over 200KB), and presumably can only get bigger as more and more articles are created... possibly not a good first introduction to wikipedia editing for new users. Can it be split somehow into one subpage per day similar to WP:AFD? ... or perhaps even an exception to the "IP users cannot create articles" rule could be made for some namespace so that an IP user can just create something like Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Article I want to create or IPcontribs:Article I want to create or something... this way if accepted it merely needs to be moved to main article space. -- Stoive 23:03, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Half the article was blanked and it said I did it when I did not. I did save it one time and it said it had been changed since. I do not know if that had anything to do with it. But I was not the one that made that edit of blanking anything. All I did was add a article for creation. 68.77.139.51 05:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Any opinions on having a special page similar to this only for templates?? Somebody requested a template on this page, unaware that the name implies it is for articles only. Georgia guy 15:31, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Trying to type takes a second or two per letter to appear on the screen--somehow the AFC page needs to be kept smaller. (redirects for Jay Norwood Darling: J.N. Darling, J. N. Darling, J.N. 'Ding' Darling, J.N. "Ding" Darling.) 65.35.49.186 02:15, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
This page (and probably many other places) has at least two links to Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Anon_page_creation_restriction saying that will explain why this page is necessary, but that link no longer works since that Pump discussion has been archived. Seems like that info needs to be posted to a more permanent location that can be linked to going forward (unless, of course, the "experiment" actually ends soon). 65.35.49.186 02:36, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
This page is becoming un-manegable so I am attempting to start a new system. I copied it here Wikipedia:Articles for creation/2005-12-16. Please comment and tell me if I did it right and if I should continue with the rest of the days.-- God_of War 04:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I closed a request with links to the new article and the original request text - which I immediately moved to the archive. Any issues / problems with this procedure? If not then I'm going to start so handling various already 'answered' requests which are cluttering up the page. If we follow this as standard practice then each 'day' on the page should be quickly filled just with links like this and we can delete whole 'day' sections when they pass two weeks old or something like that. Let me know what you think. -- CBD ☎ ✉ 18:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
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I'm really confused by the purpose of this page. Why would someone not post on Requested Articles or just make the article themselves instead of posting a blurb here? It just seems, based on some of the content here already, that this page will be a magnet for (1) a lot of work keeping it formatted and (2) (cynically) a 10 or 20 to 1 ratio of subsubstub items destined for speedy deletion to something expandable.
I bring this up because I almost speedied this page as nonsense before you put the formatting at the top. :( -- Syrthiss 23:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
How come you can't just create an article WITHOUT creating an account????
Did the rules about un-registered Wikipedians change so that only registered Wikipedians now have the right to start articles?? If so, what day to be exact?? Georgia guy 23:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm inclined to think we should be pretty swift at simply removing the silly requests. There's no need to clutter what is already a busy page. - Splash talk 00:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
What exactly is the objection to reminding admins that they are not specially imbued with editorial authority? (See this diff and the page as rendered.) And Splash, if you don't mind, keep out of it. It's clear you're too emotionally invested in the issue. You made a mistake. That happens. I can forgive that. But I can't forgive retaliation against those who point out the mistake or those who repair it. 216.237.179.238 16:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
It belongs here because some admins have forgotten it, or never bothered to read it in the first place. The text of the change talks about both admins and other page creators. But page creators who do not have admin privileges and thus do not have special power to abuse (like deleting a page another admin created though the first admin did not want it created†). So admins do need an extra helping of reminder.
There is clearly need to lay instructions around it, because the problem occurred as predicted. It's evident that editors looking at this page do not always know what they're doing. There is not too much instruction at the top, because this instruction is needed. I agree that subpages would unbalance the simplicity.
† - this is a special problem. There is an ethic among admins that once one of them has made a decision, another can not reverse it without an argument. This means that one admin, simply by being there first, can cause lengthy turmoil with a wrong decision. And nobody can pretend that admins are infallible. The basing of decisions on subjective opinion rather than objective rules is especially troublesome in such a model. Thus it is doubly important that admins be reminded that their role is that of an intelligent program, not an opinionated editor. 216.237.179.238 20:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Anon page creation restriction for information on the new (test) rule. -- Mkill 02:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
How long should the archives archive? Can we cap the amount of archived articles at 25? -- user:zanimum
Refresh my memory: can I delete such stuff as Grant Ferrel (vanity) on sight or do I need to list it somewhere?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:00, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
There are going to be a lot of anonymous editors reading this page, and most of them will be unfamiliar with our site. In those circumstances, they aren't going to read the page as thoroughly as we would hope. We need to try to keep the introduction as short as possible, while still communicating the essentials. I've removed a few instructions, and reformatted the introduction. For example, I have yet to see anyone actually sign their posts, and it seems unlikely that we're going to convince them to, so I've removed this instruction. -- Creidieki 02:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't get it. What does this page do that Requested Articles doesn't do better? Dpbsmith (talk) 19:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest that if a request is made without initial content, the responding user make an entry in the appropriate sub-page of Wikipedia:Requested articles and advise of its move and the reason (no initial content). Maybe someone can make a polite template for this? Is this too much help? Maybe just a note to the requestor on where it nmeeds to go? -- Elliskev 20:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
After a request has been acted upon (page created, redirect created, etc) and a reply is posted, what happens next and when? I have done a couple or 3. Am I responsible for archiving after a certain amount of time? If not, what's the process? -- Elliskev 20:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
...this is working substantially better than I believed it would. Has the level of pure crap showing up in RC/NP gone down in any measurable way? android 79 18:09, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
There's a very big problem with this page. IT doesn't result in articles with correct authorship attributions. The editors who create the page do not reference AfC all the time, or reference the sourcing author, nor does it appear on the talk page (which is never created).
Doesn't this violate some various WikiPedia rules? 132.205.45.148 20:55, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
How cool would it be to have a Children: namespace that had articles written by the twelve and under crowd? Like the monkeys and Apes request that's on the project page now. -- Elliskev 01:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, there's Simple Wikipedia but that's not quite what you're after. - Splash talk 01:05, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
There's also Wikijunior, which is written for 8-12 year olds. -- user:zanimum
Faster wikipedians you need to answer peoples requests. Maoririder 16:33, 9 December 2005 (UTC) i got ZZ180 and stuff.
Not your call, really. Let them get started. If they never go anywhere, they can be deleted. If they suck, they can be speedy-deleted. The purpose of the anon-page-create ban was not to add another layer of quality control, but to stop vandalism and slander. Having a new page in situ with some skeletal information allows editing to proceed within the destination context. Pages are created all the time as placeholders to be expanded. There's even a process for requesting it and a myriad of options for suggesting just what you think the goal of the expansion might be. Treating anon authors as second-class in this regard is just snobbery, and sadly borders on bigotry in the minds of some. -- 216.237.179.238 00:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I have created a template {{ nothanks-afc}} to leave on the talk pages of users who submit copyvio text to this page. It probably needs work - but this is a wiki, so please improve it. Thryduulf 17:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
The AfC page should have a history like the deletion pages do, of past requests, as these requests actually contain content (unlike Requested Articles). 132.205.44.134 01:35, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
It seems like this page is getting a bit unwieldy. I originally left an "archive" link at the top, and was envisioning that pages would be left on AFC for a few days. But AFC is receiving very high traffic, and it has become difficult to tell which results still need attention. So, I'd like to suggest some changes. I'll be perfectly happy to do the necessary rearrangement of the page, if people seem to agree:
For myself, it seems like these changes would make the page a lot easier to deal with, but I've been doing graduate school applications for the last few days, and others might be more involved in the current page. If there are no disagreements, I'll probably change things in the next day or two.
Thanks for all of the help, -- Creidieki 07:51, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Just a thought, but should we be compiling statistics for this little experiment? Like, perhaps, percentage of pages created (pages created with community approval / number of requests), percentage of pages not created with community approval because they'd be AFD material, pecentage of pages not created beacause they'd be speedy material, etc. Might give us a glance at how effective this idea is. Well, just a thought, what do you guys think? - orion eight ( talk) 20:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm going to start collecting some stats from the archives. Does anyone have any more ideas for stats we could collect? So far, I'm thinking something like this:
Articles requested
Articles created
Articles not created
What do you guys think? - orion eight ( talk) 01:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I did a survey of new pages created on Friday, 2 December. It's at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Some numbers about new pages. It would be brilliant if somebody did the same thing for the pages created on Friday, 9 december, so we can compare them. Of course, this iteration doesn't need separate columns for anons and logged in users, since anons can't currently create pages. Zocky 04:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Anons can create talk page, why don't we tell them to make the article they want on the talk page and then list it here? If we like it, we can easily move it into the main namespace, or if it hangs around for 24 hours or so it can be speedied with no fuss. Kappa 01:24, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Stupid idea. I wanted to create an article about the Spring anemone Pulsatilla vernalis as I did for other biological stuff before. See Pulsatilla vernalis, how such a start article would look like, including an image from commons. I got several reasons NOT to work with an account (I do have an account, but don't use it anymore since february - intentionally!) One main reason is that I don't like all the personal discussions with people flooding user talk pages, instead of concentrating questions or criticism on a specific article. I mean Wikipedia ia an awesome project. But if you force people who really want to create an encyclopedia and therefore do that without all the community and teenage babble, to work with an account, I'll leave (certainly, will follow the discussion). - Peter 10:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Just wanted to rebutt the idea that it would not be feasible to create a throwaway account for each new article Peter (or anyone else) wishes to create. E says e developes a full article offline, then just wants to upload it to the wiki, but doesn't want to create a list of the article's he's done this with(i.e. a contribution list). This is entirely feasible, requiring a minimal number of extra clicks. I expand on this in detail below.
To upload an article as a non-logged in user(before this new rule):
To upload an article with a one-use account:
This may seem like lots more work, and for a one-line stub it certainly may be, but compared to the time it takes to write an article like Pulsatilla vernalis(mentioned above as an example similar to Peter's work), it is utterly negligible. If Peter wishes to contribute in this fashion, I see no problem with this, and I hope, e sees that this is a negligble addition to his work in uploading the articles. 134.10.12.35 23:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Would increasing the visibility of the "don't copy stuff from webpages" bit in the page header make any difference? I doubt it, but putting it in a nice, big colorful box might be worth a try... android 79 19:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I just marked one request probably a not notable biography and another a copyright violation. Within minutes zanimum had deleted them.
There is no way that the people making the requests will have had time to see the reasons for the rejection and challenge them. They are probably going to assume that they were removed for vandals, or think that people are exercising vicarious power.
I've noticed this user deleting or archiving prematurely on several previous occasions. He's also deleted caveated creates (e.g. naming convention changes and warnings about POV and verifiability).
Generally the sort of person who makes use of this page won't understand how to use the history, and even if they do, the articles are being deleted in blocks without an adequate edit summary, so they will have to trawl through the whole history to find out what happened.
There is a secondary benefit in leaving up rejects, in that some requestors may realise that their requests will be rejected.
-- David Woolley 14:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
This page needs the AfC redirect page to be created, to match VfD, CfD, etc deletion page redirectors. I requested this in AfC itself, and it was not fulfilled, so I'd like a discussion on the issue. 132.205.45.148 21:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps the text "Click here to request a new article" on the top of the page can be better changed to something like "Click here to submit a proposal for a new article" or something like that, since the current text may be confusing to new users (who wouldn't know the difference between this page and Wikipedia:Requested articles). 131.111.8.102 18:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
deleted everything attention!! help bring back
I really want to know? Why aren't people following the instructions at the top of the page? You can enlarge the font in which it's written, put the letters in purple or red, make it flash. It all doesn't matter. People still put in requests with insufficient or no information and sources are usually absent as well. Why is following instructions so hard? - Mgm| (talk) 13:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I've just readded a number of entries which were removed while some looked quite viable. Please explain why it's not a valid topic and leave it up for at least a day, so anons can see what's happening. - Mgm| (talk)
If someone asks us to create an article about a non-notable person, clan, cat or whatever, it would be nice to tell them about an alternative that will accept this kind of thing instead of just saying "no". Any suggestions? WP:Alternatives doesn't really help atm. Kappa 04:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
We need a better way to manage this page. Would subpages and transclusion be a bad idea for a page so frequently visited by newbies? android 79 14:02, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I've got ideas for two sets of templates. The first would be for noting "bad" requests made on the project page: "Please provide more sources", "That's a nn-bio", "You're logged in! You don't need AfC", etc., only phrased much more nicely with a informative-but-concise explanation of why the request can't (or won't) be fulfilled. The second set would be counterparts to the first set to be placed on the requestor's talk page. Would these see enough use to make their creation worthwhile? android 79 14:14, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
As the policy on creating articles has been changed, surely this page should be likewise?
Also - could there be some more organisation of the various requests for creation so we can spot those in our fields more readily?
Jackiespeel 18:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
The proportion of prima facie copyrght violations here makes me wonder about the ones that got through before and from logged in users.
Although some users may be trying it on to try and get copyright violations laundered into Wikipedia, I think most are from people who just don't understand the concept. If the proportion here is indicative of the proportion on the rest of Wikipedia, it would seem that an active copyright violation search needs to be done for every new article and every big change. That's only easy for copying for things in public, indexable, parts of the web. -- David Woolley 18:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Wikinews had a scheme just like this for quite a while. The experience of Wikinews was that a strong sourcing policy is a good idea, and works well. No article was created at Wikinews unless the submission cited at least one source. Editors would request sources for submissions that didn't have them, but if no sources were presented within a reasonable amount of time, submissions would be discarded. (Of course, editors processing submissions could go and find sources themselves, too.) Uncle G 08:06, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I've done the 17th and the 18th for you, requesting source citations for all submissions that do not cite any. If you think that a strong sourcing policy is a good idea, please help by continuing in this vein from now on. Uncle G 18:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
The list of articles created up the top looks like it was used on the 11th and 12th, briefly on the 15th, and not since then. Should we scrap it altogether? Stevage 01:45, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
I suggest we create a perfect "proposal" example for anons to use as an example before writing up their proposal. I don't have the inspiration right now to do it properly, but it should look like:
Subject: [[John Smith]]
'''John Smith''' is a major league baseball player in the USA. He plays for... ==Sources== [http://thetimes.com/john-smith-the-baseball-player]
Stevage 02:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Title:
Information:
Reference Url:
I think a lot of people come to this page and have no idea what to do and don't want to read the whole thing so they just give up. This could be more friendly with a nice GUI.
This page is HUGE (currently over 200KB), and presumably can only get bigger as more and more articles are created... possibly not a good first introduction to wikipedia editing for new users. Can it be split somehow into one subpage per day similar to WP:AFD? ... or perhaps even an exception to the "IP users cannot create articles" rule could be made for some namespace so that an IP user can just create something like Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Article I want to create or IPcontribs:Article I want to create or something... this way if accepted it merely needs to be moved to main article space. -- Stoive 23:03, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Half the article was blanked and it said I did it when I did not. I did save it one time and it said it had been changed since. I do not know if that had anything to do with it. But I was not the one that made that edit of blanking anything. All I did was add a article for creation. 68.77.139.51 05:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Any opinions on having a special page similar to this only for templates?? Somebody requested a template on this page, unaware that the name implies it is for articles only. Georgia guy 15:31, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Trying to type takes a second or two per letter to appear on the screen--somehow the AFC page needs to be kept smaller. (redirects for Jay Norwood Darling: J.N. Darling, J. N. Darling, J.N. 'Ding' Darling, J.N. "Ding" Darling.) 65.35.49.186 02:15, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
This page (and probably many other places) has at least two links to Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Anon_page_creation_restriction saying that will explain why this page is necessary, but that link no longer works since that Pump discussion has been archived. Seems like that info needs to be posted to a more permanent location that can be linked to going forward (unless, of course, the "experiment" actually ends soon). 65.35.49.186 02:36, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
This page is becoming un-manegable so I am attempting to start a new system. I copied it here Wikipedia:Articles for creation/2005-12-16. Please comment and tell me if I did it right and if I should continue with the rest of the days.-- God_of War 04:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I closed a request with links to the new article and the original request text - which I immediately moved to the archive. Any issues / problems with this procedure? If not then I'm going to start so handling various already 'answered' requests which are cluttering up the page. If we follow this as standard practice then each 'day' on the page should be quickly filled just with links like this and we can delete whole 'day' sections when they pass two weeks old or something like that. Let me know what you think. -- CBD ☎ ✉ 18:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)