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I've made a proposal for WikiProject Mesopotamia because the area needs improving and properly organizing. All opinions needed and all support appreciated. Izzedine ( talk) 08:49, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
May I request some expert attention to this new article? It include items excluded from Etruscan civilization, including WP:SYNTHESIS, WP:OR and some dodgy-looking sources such as Bugge. Many thanks for any help with this, MuffledThud ( talk) 18:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
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Major rewrite, would appreciate some feedback ... rating? Thanks! Enki H. ( talk) 06:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I thought this might be better venue to voice my "inklings": Hebat, and other unsourced speculative articles
Should i delete 99 percent of article, or propose it for deletion or propose it for merging with Hurrian mythology or what? I sense there is the nub of a good article here and wonder if the main author, possibly a guy named Christopher Siren, just needs a fire lit under him to get him to provide sources and then Hebat could be a fine article.--But I also have been getting a horible feeling that ancient mythology and ancient civilizations on wikioedia are getting screwed so gigantically we will soon be a worse laughingstock in libraries everywhere, with no credibility--I sense that a number of contributors with a knack for storytelling have been writing fairy tales in ancient Sumer, ancient history, and mythology, and no one is calling them on it. Well it's pretty late and im rambling but I hope someone will take my intuition seriously.Rich (talk) 08:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC) Rich ( talk) 08:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Pretty obvious huh? But why couldn't whoever have did this gotten better at bsing and studied up and redirected his fairy tales to people above the ninth grade level? He seems to enjoy shoveling it, so unless he died he's still doing it somewhere.(There was another example on Meluhha, I think.So I'm saying as protection we need to clamp down on unsourced stuff. Best wishes, Rich ( talk) 18:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
The Indus civilization appears to contradict the hydraulic despotism hypothesis of the origin of urban civilization and the state. According to this hypothesis, all early, large-scale civilizations arose as a by-product of irrigation systems capable of generating massive agricultural surpluses.[citations needed]
It is often assumed that intensive agricultural production requires dams and canals. This assumption is easily refuted. Throughout Asia, rice farmers produce significant agricultural surpluses from terraced, hillside rice paddies, which result not from slavery but rather the accumulated labor of many generations of people. Instead of building canals, Indus civilization people may have built water diversion schemes, which—like terrace agriculture—can be elaborated by generations of small-scale labor investments. Such canals have, however, been found in northwestern India (Francfort). It should be noted that in only the easternmost section of the Indus Civilisation, people could build their lives around the monsoon, a weather pattern in which the bulk of a year's rainfall occurs in a four-month period; others had to depend on the seasonal flooding of rivers caused by snow melt at high elevations.[citations needed]
They domesticated animals like cattle, bears, wild pigs, dogs, water buffalo, elephants, monkeys, dromedary, chickens, goats, cats, and sheep." 75.45.106.99 ( talk) 19:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC) Rich ( talk) 19:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
The cleanup listing here, Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East/Cleanup listing, contains a long cleanup listing with many articles far remote from ancient times, and far remote from the Near East, for that matter.
What I am seeing on the cleanup page looks very much to me like a Wikipedia software bug. I made a screen capture of the statistics on a section called "About this listing" which says in part, "Based on that data, 855 articles are assigned to this work group, of which 113416, or 13,265.0% are flagged for cleanup." The next pages do list an incredible number of articles, on every possible subject, through missing coordinates in Zimbabwe at the end. Someone should report this software bug to the appropriate authorities. I don’t know who that might be. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 23:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Fixed by the bot author who comments: [...] This was an error in the bot code, and not related to the category scheme. Nevertheless there is something strange about your category scheme, as Category:WikiProject Ancient Near East articles contains article pages, not talk pages (the bot expects the talk pages in the category). I changed your subscription so that the bot looks for the banner template rather than category members; this now seems to work fine. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 14:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC) -- Enki H. ( talk) 15:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Don't know how interested you guys are in monitoring Babylonian astrology (it is part of this project), but it seems to contain a fair amount of neologisms, un-cited material, etc. -- 201.37.230.43 ( talk) 12:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys! Discussing with a few friends about transcription standards of Sumerian vs. Akkadian words, phrases and terms, I found the two categories Category:Sumerogram, pointing to Sumerogram and Category:Sumerian words and phrases.
... said: Rursus ( mbork³) 07:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I am interested in participating in the ANE portal, and I have already have a question that I could not find in the talk archive. If it has come up elsewhere, or if this is the wrong place, then I apologize, but anyway here it is: I am currently writing a page for Tell Hamidiya in Syria, and I found that a page on Tell Hamidiya (variant spelling) already exists but redirects to Taite, where it is said that Taite/Taidu has been identified with Hamidiya. As far as I know, that identification is still uncertain, so I wouldn't put that in this way on Wikipedia. I would still like to create Tell Hamidiya as a separate page, and then mention there that Taidu may be its ancient name, but that this is still uncertain. Any suggestions on this? I am quite happy to move my work to the Taite/Taidu page, but then we run into the following problem:
Anyway, the more important problem is that there seems to be no guidelines or consensus on Wikipedia for naming a page after a site's historical name or its current name. For example, Tell Brak redirects to Nagar, whereas the page of Tell Leilan is named, well, Tell Leilan.
I would argue for using the current name, as the historical name of a site is usually only signifant in a specific historical period. For example, Brak was known as Nagar during the third and second millennia, but its name during the fourth millennium is of course unknown. More problematic is the fact that sites may have had multiple names, as with Leilan (Shekhna/Shubat-Enlil). In that case, there would be no objective reason to choose for either of these names, and adopting the current name would be the best choice. Does anyone have any ideas on this? Zoeperkoe ( talk) 19:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
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76.66.197.30 ( talk) 00:24, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I believe that the main reference point for several articles, notably Kramer's History Begins at Sumer, seems to be heavily biased in it's comparisons to Christianity, without recognising the important differences between the religions. This will no doubt colour the wikipedia articles. Notable examples are the article on the Code of Ur-Nammu, where he arranges the Priest above the Godhead. It's a pretty big change but it seems of paramount importance that when we examine one of, if not the, earliest religion known to civilization that we study it from as objective a viewpoint as possible. Desdinova ( talk) 15:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if somebody can help with this. This is the Empress Theatre (Montreal). Is it Phonenician or Egyptian style:
Thanks, Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 04:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The article Bethsaida has a link to et-Tell. The problem is that from the descriptions of the two sites they are two widely different locations, and this seems to be born out by the geo-coordinates given. I would edit-out the link myself except I'd like my conclusions double checked by experts (well... more expert than myself, anyway) - especially if there is more than one site named "et-Tell" {another problem, given its meaning :p} Thank you, Shir-El too 09:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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I just posted here: Talk:Nebuchadnezzar_II#Doubtful_statements_in_the_Bible_section; some reservations I have about statements in the article on Nebuchadnezzar II. History is really not my specialty, so it would be good if someone with a more helpful background would take a look at it. Thanks. -- Art Carlson ( talk) 10:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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Please see discussion here. -- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 00:19, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
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There are still some old articles with text largely based on the 1911 Britannica on "Babylonia and Assyria". Given that these texts are highly outdated, in most cases dealt with in more detail elsewhere (usually the articles on Babylonia and Assyria, and that "Babylonia and Assyria" does in no way represent a useful entity to discuss things like religion or geography, I suggest that they are merged with other articles, or, probably more likely, are simply deleted. The articles in question are:
Any comments? -- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 17:25, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Done Consider all these moves done.-- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 02:43, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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The article Al-Sinnabra has been proposed for merger with Khirbet Kerak ( Discuss). Your viewpoints would be quite appropriate here. -- Sreifa ( talk) 05:26, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
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Is up for FPOC. This is one of the highest (if not the highest) visibility portal on Wikipedia, I recommend commenting on it! Cheers, Res Mar 23:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
The Namshub (incantation) article is unsourced, yet makes big claims. It either needs source citations, or to be proposed for deletion. Is anyone here qualified to tell which of these two choices might be the right one? -- The Anome ( talk) 19:57, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
FYI, a discussion is taking place here about moving the Baʿal article to Baal. Thank you. Yazan ( talk) 17:32, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
image:CanaaniteRelief.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 05:49, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
I just wonder as Talk page seems deathly quiet. I just noticed that Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East/Article alerts isn't activated. In ictu oculi ( talk) 02:46, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
See my three CfDs related to Israel/Palestine historical cats at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 February 9. trespassers william ( talk) 21:52, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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If anyone can rescue this I'd be happy, otherwise I think I'll merge it with Christian O'Brien as per the AfD on another take on this subject, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kharsag Epics. Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 20:41, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
In an attempt to get a project wide consensus and WP:MOS standard I've started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#Capitalis(z)ation_of_ancient - eg the correct form of "Pottery of A/ancient Assyria". Please contribute if possible. 77.86.119.83 ( talk) 21:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
The page on Namtar suggests that the Sumerians were 'conquered' by the babylonians and Assyrians. This completely incorrect - in actuality there was a long and protracted period of cultural blending. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.15.61 ( talk) 00:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
I've been asked about these: "Those articles can be described in one simple word - DISASTER! :( First, there are many factual errors. Second, there is no any consensus about chronology; some Wikipedians use long chronoglogy, some middle, and some short, so there is complete chronological mess -dates can varry +/- 120 years! Third, there is category problem also; I saw very useless (& nonexisting) categories for ancient empires (example: Akkadian Empire) like "2200 BC disestablishments" - schoolars are not agreed did that empire collapsed in 23th or 22th century, so even something like "22th century BC disestablishments" wouldn't be enough precise. In any case, first point is typical while third point is easy, but for "long/middle/short chronology problem" you should organize some serious "Wiki aministrators discussion" and find some agreement. I also noticed that many foreign languages Wikis copied wrong & contradict dates so problem is even deeper..." Obviously this isn't an administrator's job, but it is a problem. We've done some cleanup on chronology on AE articles. Dougweller ( talk) 17:35, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Agreed, using a uniform dating system is much more important than which one used. Besides, a lot of people are skeptical about the entire Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa reference point, but without it we would have a zillion chronologies instead of just 3-ish. So I'm happy with whatever. Another thing that needs to happen in the ANE is the consolidation and deletion of a number of small articles that have crept in over the years. And changing the official project definition of ANE to not include Egypt, which is happened in practice already, and uncating the remaining Egypt specific articles. You can get more indication of what needs to be done from the cleanup list, which I stuck on the project page Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East/Cleanup listing. Ploversegg ( talk) 23:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm comfortable with everything you said. King lists are soft except in streches where you have good year names. I still have some hopes for dendrochronology. And there is some current skewing of the excavation related chrono data because work has continued in Syria and Turkey while largely at a standstill in Iraq and Iran, but hopefully that will change in time. So, I'm good ... as long as everyone agrees that the Minoan eruption was in 1627 BC. :-) Ploversegg ( talk) 17:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Agreed, doing Wikipedia is meant to be fun and a framework to learn. I have put a certain amount of "pre-historic" stuff in. Like I am poking on Chogha Mish as part of linking it to Cities of the ancient Near East (a misnomer that should be "Sites of the ANE" but what the heck). Ploversegg ( talk) 20:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
...see Talk:Tiamat#Robert_Graves_and_matriarchy.2Fpatriarchy_analogy - I think this article might benefit from some out-of-universe scholarly material, if anyone is familiar with the topic. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 01:15, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Okease have a lok at this article. It is the translation of hu:Szamal (állam). Can somebodyhelp me to improve the form of the article? -- Ksanyi ( talk) 06:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
The project seems to have adopted the Low Chronology, but there does not seem to have been any discussion about this (I find the "citation needed" tag on 'The absolute 2nd millennium BC dates resulting from this decision currently have a majority (though not unanimous) support in academia, although the middle chronology (reign of Hammurabi 1792 BC – 1750 BC) is commonly encountered in older literature'<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_chronology</ref> and the fact that this statement: 'The current scholarly consensus is with the short chronology (sack of Babylon 1531 BC) used in this article.'<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_ancient_Near_East</ref> is also unsourced rather telling).
To shed some light on middle vs low and their respective degree of acceptance, I have collected some quotes for that from recent handbooks of both historians and archaeologists, which are the kind of books that Wikipedia should follow.
Whatever the result of this discussion, it should at least be clear that the short chronology is not as widely accepted as some articles on wikipedia seem to suggest. -- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 21:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
...is a bit of a mess. I began copyediting it but not actually sure of the scope of the definition. Anyone familiar is welcome to chip in. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 20:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Tel Dan , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Sreifa ( talk) 10:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Do we have a guideline for how to transcribe pharyngeals and glottals in Semitic and Ancient NE names? I'm running through all the IPA letters that aren't formatted with one of the IPA templates, and most of the ʕ, ʔ, ˤ, and ˀ are in such names. For example, at Heliopolis (ancient) there is "אן ˀOn, and און ˀĀwen (or ˀÔn)" at the end of the lede, and "Per-Aat (*Par-ʕĀʔat, written pr-ˁ3t, 'Great House') and Per-Atum (*Par-ʔAtāma, written pr-ỉtmw 'Temple [lit. 'House'] of Atum"' > Hebrew פתם Pithom)" in the next paragraph, which use all four of those letters. In a modern context, at Omdurman we have Khalifa ˤAbdullahi ibn Muḥammad; the other three letters are just as common in Arabic and Hebrew as in Egyptian etc. I can understand the desire for these, as traditional ‘ vs ’ is not visibly very salient, and tends to get conflated when copying and pasting text. We have a long history of ע being mistaken for א because of problems like this.
Another common example is the use of the ejective diacritic, ʼ, in place of the apostrophe. I think it might be preferred because it never displays as a straight '.
Now, besides complicating my attempts to clean up the IPA, these may not display properly on all browsers; if I'm going to clean them up (I mostly ignored them on my last run), I might as well convert them to your preferences. So,
I have 2600 hits from the WP dump, and probably half are due to this. — kwami ( talk) 23:02, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
here is my opinion: in the first place, this isn't about IPA at all, it is about transliterating ancient languages. So you shouldn't use {{ IPA}} but {{ lang}} ({{lang|sem|}}, ,{{lang|egy|}} ...). For each language transliterated, a best practice should be established at the article about the language itself, i.e. our recommended transliteration for Ugaritic should be the one used at Ugaritic language, the transliteration of Egyptian should be in one of the systems discussed at Transliteration of Ancient Egyptian, etc. -- dab (𒁳) 20:33, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Input from anyone interested in the Bronze and Iron age history of this region would be very useful. Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 12:30, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
The Sennacherib article mentioned a king named "Sidqia". The Sidqia article was a link to Zedekiah, but that is wrong because Zedekiah lived a century after Sennacherib. Therefore I've changed the article but it really needs a makeover by someone who knows something about this stuff. I wander is a "Sidqia" really existed. Mismeret ( talk) 21:03, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Zoeperkoe and I have been having a discussion on how best to categorize and organize archaeological sites in the Ancient Middle East, so that they'd be easily, and more intuitively accessible and navigable. We would like any feedback from participants, to come with some sort of a standard.
It seems to make sense to categorize the sites by the different epochs during which they were occupied. So far the main epochs we could agree on were the following:
For an applied example of how this would look like, please see the main/parent category for archaeological sites in Greece, Category:Archaeological sites in Greece.
Nevertheless, this method leaves us with two main problems.
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Yazan ( talk) 19:00, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
In my humble opionion, there has been a program of creating questionable history and other elements in order to create a revisionist picture of anything related to Assyria operating for well over a year. As far as I can tell, there is only one individual involved, working under a Wiki name and an IP name at different times of the day:
though see also
a good example being seen if one views the history of List of Kings of Babylon. Some examples of affected articles include Akkadian Empire, Kassites, Babylonia and a slew of other regional peoples (Chaldeans, Arameans, Urartians etc) and places. Note that I don't point to the main articles like Assyrian people etc as they are a lost cause.
I understand that in the Wiki framework you can't keep someone who is willing to spend every waking hour building a web of fiction from doing just that. My intention here is simply to leave a pointer for future Wikipedia editors that
Thank you for having taken the time to read this. Ploversegg ( talk) 03:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
There is a theory claiming that Roman god Janus is a derivation of an ancient Syrian uranic deity. Pierre Grimal supported this view in a book published in 1951, which I cannot consult, so I am not sure about the identification. R. Schilling names a Sumeric god named Usmu (who is represented as introducing worshippers to other gods) and William Betham a god Baalianus or Belinus, that he thought to be related to Oannes. As far as the etymology is concerned what god could be the most likely identification? Are there any quotable works dealing with the issue ? Thank s for the attention. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 14:24, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Members of this project may wish to contribute. Whatever the articles are called (a rename might be better) I believe that Wikipedia:Content forking is necessary where it proves difficult to accomodate the actual law of the Ancient Israelites in Canaan either in the Moses bio, where it was, or in the clearly living Judaism focussed Torah article to where an editor has proposed a move. In ictu oculi ( talk) 03:15, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
On Lead_glass#History a clay tablet with a glass recipes is mentioned. In the source provided it is dated around 1700BC. But reading another reference provided few lines above, for what I assume to be the same tablet, is given a date between 14th and 12th century BC. In this second reference an image of the tablet is provided. Since I'm always curious and unfortunately unable to get full access to the first reference given, I was wondering if anyone of you could bring some light to the issue.
Thanks in advance! -- Dia^ ( talk) 12:53, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
I have made a proposal to reorganize Template:Ancient Mesopotamia. See here for the discussion; see here for the actual new draft. Your input is appreciated!-- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 18:45, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Recently, the article History of Pottery in the Southern Levant was moved to History of Pottery in Palestine. It had been under the title History of Pottery in the Southern Levant for around 5 years, and it had been my understanding that this was in order to keep the article NPOV. I am currently in a dispute with the editor who moved the page on the article talk page and was wondering if anyone would be able to assist regarding the proper naming of the article. Thanks Drsmoo ( talk) 11:00, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
We have a new editor, A Timelord ( talk · contribs) who has, in his words, started a time war, changing dates to Aspro chronology using "cal BCE". I'm not convinced this is a good idea. Any comments? Dougweller ( talk) 22:18, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point: State your point. However, do not spam Wikipedia, disingenuously nominate articles for deletion, push rules to their limits, or otherwise create work for other people just to prove your point.
I assume that the rule about creating work for other people to prove a point is governed by the adjective disingenuously by the nature of the statement. This would otherwise create a paradox that the Wikipedia project is not here to create work. Hence, I intend to proceed with my assistance to this work without being disingenous and apologise at any moment when I am not appearing to be in genius. A Timelord ( talk) 12:01, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to disturb. I found the article about the Sumerian king of Lagash Eannatum a bit lacking. I expressed some of my doubts on the talk page: is someone willing to check? Thanks! 79.51.8.1 ( talk) 21:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Should these articles even exist? They're based only on descriptions from the Book of Joshua. My 50-year-old edition of the Oxford Annotated Bible gives more credence to the early books of the Tanakh than most scholars today seem to do, but even it treats the Book of Joshua as little better than nationalistic fiction. Certainly I don't think these supposed battles should be described in the factual style that these articles use now. A. Parrot ( talk) 18:43, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion on which map to include for the Ancient period in the History section of the Palestine article. The discussion is currently deadlocked so any thoughtful input from knowledgeable/interested editors would be very helpful.
The discussion on the ancient map is at the bottom of Talk:Palestine (just to clarify as there is another discussion on the main map for the article further up the page). Thanks, Dlv999 ( talk) 17:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC).
Hi all, there are various important Jerusalem-related articles out there which are in dire need of attention. Jerusalem during the Crusader period and Jerusalem during the Mamluk period were machine-translated from the extensive articles on Hebrew-wiki and are currently incomprehensible. They were recently blanked and transformed into redirects, but that was undone as a lot of good information, unavailable elsewhere, would have been lost. Any effort going into transforming the two above-mentioned into proper articles would be much appreciated, be it translation, formatting, grammar, citations or images. We once went through the same process with Jerusalem during the Second Temple Period and the result wasn't half bad. Poliocretes ( talk) 15:53, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello all! I’m working with the Saylor foundation to create a series of original, crowd-sourced textbooks that will be openly licensed and freely available on the web and within Saylor’s free, self-paced courses at Saylor.org. We are using Wikibooks as a platform to host this project and hope to garner the interest of existing members of the Wikibooks and Wikipedia community, as well as bring in new members! We thought that some of your members may be interested in contributing to our book Saylor.org's Ancient Civilizations of the World. Azinheira ( talk) 18:18, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Why does the navigation bar at Iltasadum and others give dates not at Sumerian King List? We have the firsts king in the list, Jushur given a date of "ca. 2550 BC, or legendary" while Iltasadum is "after ca 2900". Dougweller ( talk) 15:29, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I think everyone would agree that the dating of ANE articles is a mess, especially with regards to the chronology used. I'm not looking to "standardize" the chronology we use (that would be a massive effort, let alone a very divisive debate, I suspect) but can't we have some sort of a maintenance template/category (or at least a field in the WP banner on the talk page) that can help us tag articles according to the chronology used in them, so that we keep track? Yazan ( talk) 05:51, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
You can also use the University of Cologne's online Radiocarbon CONTEXT database [1] to reference particular levels at particular sites for the c14 dates, but don't just go jumping in there taking the earliest dates without checking the level that you're referencing with the original archaeological report for the site. There can be several dates in there before those of an actual settlement being referred to.
Also please be aware that dates move, and it is best to use those in the latest publication possible. Archaeologists have an annoying tendancy of publishing sneaky papers (often in French) that re-date levels of (often really big) sites. For instance, Danielle Stordeur recently abolished the Aswadian PPNA culture and pushed the PPNB back. I also recently had to push back the dating on Byblos around 3000 years (from around 5000 to 8800 BCE) after Yosef Garfinkel published an article redating it's lowest PPNB level to match Jericho's.
Hope these resources help improving the dating of ancient sites, prehistoric ones at least, which I totally agree are in a mess on many articles. More help the merrier on this everyone! Paul Bedson ❉ talk❉ 14:59, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
This is a discussion I am not getting in the middle of this time. :-) Yes, the ANE chronol|ogy situation is a mess, because it reflects the current mess in the actual ANE field. I created the Short chronology timeline not because I am in love with the short chronology but in the vain hope that if we could use a single set of dates for all ANE articles and people with other chronology religions could just adjust to their view on the fly. Alas the religious differences are too strong for that. I will add two minor points before I retreat 1) a big problem is that many published radiocarbon dates you read are calibrated with some calibration scale (they may even not say which one) and the actual counts are not listed so you can't even map to the latest scale. Makes it hard to compare apples to apples. Look into INTCAL if you are curious. 2) The 64 year thing that separates the short and long chronologies is looking weaker all the time so don't take that too strictly. PS I'm not sure I would sign on to Egyptian chronology being solid to quite THAT early, but that's just my humble opinion. :-) Ploversegg ( talk) 19:37, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Not really relevant since this is about historic chronology, but please note that Paul Bedson's praise of ASPRO/MOM is not accurate. ASPRO is neither the only nor the best prehistoric chronology available. In fact, outside French language academia, it is quite rarely used. I also advise against his suggestion of using the latest articles on sites. These articles represent the ongoing debate, which can shift back and forth. Rather, Wikipedia must rely on handbooks (like Akkermans & Schwartz's Archaeology of Syria, with which some of you are undoubtedly familiar), as these (usually) reflect the state of knowledge as it is widely accepted in the scientific field and therefore more likely to stay stable in the long term. And some of this obviously also applies to the Long/Middle/Short debate. Just my two cents.-- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 16:55, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I've recently created Middle chronology, which is currently a bit of an explanation of the current arguments regarding chronologies, that may eventually get split apart and form Long chronology, Ultra-low chronology and Ultra-high chronology pages that can form the basis of category main pages. Whilst we can keep with the Short chronology standard, I feel the need to explore these variances to clarify the "mess" that this section has been labelled with. I've even felt the need to express extreme variances such as Waddell's chronology to provide broader coverage of notable contributions to our understanding of ANE chronology. I find the argument that 99.99% of Wikipedia readership wants consistency a bit of a step over NPOV and into OR territory and we should move with the times. Fascinating stuff by Christian Eder and Leonhard Sassmannshausen published in 2004 and 2006 respectively has barely been covered here for instance. All contributions and suggestions welcome in any case. Paul Bedson ❉ talk❉ 13:06, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
I am interested in bringing the ancient city of Mari, Syria to GA status, but it's a project well beyond my individual efforts and would probably require some help from people who have more expertise on the subject. If anyone is interested in helping out, please feel free to drop me a note, and perhaps we could start working on organizing a draft somewhere. The article itself, at the moment, is useless. Many thanks. Yazan ( talk) 16:21, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
I had a thought on some perimeters we could add to Template:WikiProject Ancient Near East. "Mesopotamia=yes" could add a page to wp:Iraq, "anotolea=yes" could add a page to wp:Turkey, etc. The trickery part would be "palistine=yes" to add a page to both wp's Palestine and Israel. I don't have the technical skills to modify the template like that tough. Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 18:40, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Just a heads up for whoever has watchlisted prehistoric Mesopotamian sites; where this had not yet been done, I have split off the articles on type sites and the periods/cultures named after them. This had already been done for a lot of other periods (for example, Uruk and Uruk period, Tell Halaf and Halaf culture, Jemdet Nasr and Jemdet Nasr period) so I thought it only consistent to do this with the few that still remained. Affected are:
In no case was material deleted. It is just a reordering of material that, I think, allows for better expansion of articles, and also gives each affected article a much better scope and well-defined topic.-- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 11:55, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Why is this category change happening? Chris Troutman ( talk) 06:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Eyes needed on claim this was first a Berber goddess. Dougweller ( talk) 17:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Template:Aramaeans: The template links to Reson, which redirects to Aramaean kings, which doesn't mention Reson. Please fix it somewhere. trespassers william ( talk) 18:24, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
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I made a family tree of kings, queens, and other key figures from the Hittite New Kingdom. This is collapsible, so it could just appear as a bar across the bottom unless people expand it. Now, I actually made this template primarily for my own edification (keeping these relationships straight in my mind as I was reading Bryce's Kingdom of the Hittites), but how would people feel about adding it to the articles about the people concerned? Q·L· 1968 ☿ 16:39, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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Hello, I've find some letters in a books write bay Joseph Justus Scaliger printed in 1624. Is it really translation from Babylonian words ? Can you categorised in commons ? Sincerely Garitan ( talk) 09:07, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
No, those are hebrew words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Eldritch ( talk • contribs) 18:32, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
In the process of overhauling WP:Manual of Style/Capital letters#All caps and small caps ( MOS:ALLCAPS) to make more sense generally and, for linguistic stuff in particular, to make sense people without advanced degrees, I came across a problem. I raised this originally at WT:LINGUISTICS, and copy the entire thread here:
One last clarification on this part: There's an old instruction in there that "Transcription of logograms (as opposed to phonograms) can also be done with small caps or all caps." What applicability could this have here? I don't see this used in Wikipedia anywhere; all the direct representations of logograms are given "as they are" (樂) with the appropriate
{{ lang|zh}}
or whatever markup (and many logogrammatic languages have no upper/lower case system, at least not in Unicode); Romanized transcriptions are given in italics (yuè); and English glosses [canonically] in single quotes ('music'). In actual practice, much of all three forms of markup is missing or wrong (e.g. double quotes on English glosses, and so forth). This was true at Logogram, which I just overhauled (other than things like yuè are not marked up as{{ lang|zh-[something here]|yuè}}
; I don't know the particulars of such stuff for Chinese).Anyway, the mystery reference to logograms in the MoS wording has been commented out for now. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 08:24, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- @ SMcCandlish: Maybe it's about cuneiform? /info/en/?search=Cuneiform_script#Transliteration /info/en/?search=Sumerian_language#Sample_text Umimmak ( talk) 08:30, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- @ Umimmak: That sounds plausible, i.e. that it's an extension of the HIC IACET style for Classical Latin to other ancient languages, including those in other scripts. It seems a bit superfluous if so. However, something's going on at the second of those articles, with some stuff in this style and some not, and it's not clear [to me] what difference this is intended to signify (but it may be important to get this right): "30–31: SAḪAR.DU6.TAKA4-bi eden-na ki ba-ni-us2-us2". Whatever it is, this would surely be less annoyingly shouty as "30–31: SAḪAR.DU6.TAKA4-bi eden-na ki ba-ni-us2-us2". — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:08, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Found a hint at Dingir: "By Assyriological convention, capitals identify a cuneiform sign used as a word, while the phonemic value of a sign in a given context is given in lower case." But there's no source for this. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:10, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Source: "Never put logograms in capitals: only uninterpreted sign names, and complex signs are in upper case [2]", which is not quite the same statement. And this appears to be a set of instructions for a special form of encoding, not for writing natural-language linguistic prose that includes some cuneiform. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:16, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Another, saying something related but different: 'If the letters that make up the transliteration are written in upper case, e.g., “PA” ..., then the transliteration merely refers to or represents the cuneiform sign without making any claim about how the sign is pronounced. Letters in lower case, e.g., “pa” ..., presuppose a phonetic interpretation on the part of the modern text editor.' [3]Blatantly conflicting convention: "Akkadian words are given in italics, with logograms set in small capitals" [4], and "Transliterations: ... texts are set with Sumerian logograms in small capitals and Akkadian words in italics; unknown readings are given in large capitals." [5]
A third system, encountered in several works: "[D]ifferent formats are used to distinguish between Hittite words, Sumerograms, and Akkadograms ... [E]verything Hittite is lower case .... Sumerograms are given in roman capitals (in this book in small capitals: EN) .... Akkadograms are also capitalized but italicized ...." [6]. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:38, 27 November 2017 (UTC)So, this is messy. I'm suspecting that similar conventions exist for other specialized areas of study; this stuff can probably just be an example in a footnote, to a line item that, in some wording, says something to the effect of "In particular linguistic subfields, like Assyriology[fn1], there are special conventions for the use of all caps and sometimes small caps. When the convention is not distinguishing between all and small caps, normalize to small caps to be easier on readers' eyes. Regardless, use a consistent style throughout an article." Does that seem like a reasonable approach? — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:38, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- @ SMcCandlish: Two relevant pages from Fortson [7]. Umimmak ( talk) 09:21, 27 November 2017 (UTC) Addendum: If I am right and the MOS was in reference to writing Sumerograms, perhaps you should ask Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East as well. Umimmak ( talk) 09:37, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- I'll do that, though I think this is not ultimately going to be entirely about that stuff, but just a general "don't use full-size ALL CAPS without reason, and use a consistent system intra-article" statement. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:43, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
The gist: MOS doesn't need to get into any language-specific details like italic small caps for Akkadian and full-size all caps for Sumerian, or one of the other (seemingly intra-language rather than inter-language) systems. It just needs to have a footnote that various systems exist, to be consistent in use of one in a single article, and to avoid full-size all caps if the system permits it. Is that going to be good enough? If this (or another) wikiproject has a WP:PROJPAGE recommending a specific system, we can link to it from MOS:ALLCAPS. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:53, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
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Please see: Talk:Mousterian#Clean up era "succession" mess.
This started as a one-article issue report, but looking around I see that the problem is pretty common (in short: conflicting "preceding/following era" links in infoboxes, navboxes, leads, and article bodies).
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{{Near East Neolithic}} uses BC dating but is also used in BCE articles. For NPOV purposes I think we need a BCE version. Doug Weller talk 15:03, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
If anyone has time, could they take a look at the recent edits? Thanks. Doug Weller talk 13:35, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm attempting to write an article on Nebuchadnezzar II’s Prism at User:Daask/sandbox/Nebuchadnezzar II’s Prism. However, I think I'm mixing up multiple documents and archaelogical finds. I don't think all of my sources are discussing the same document. Can anyone help me clear up this issue? Someone who can read German would be especially helpful. Daask ( talk) 13:33, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
The article " Enuma Elish" states that is was recorded in " Old Babylonian language". This redirects to " Akkadian language". Is Old Babylonian the same as Akkadian? Axl ¤ [Talk] 11:53, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
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Levant 82,943 2,764 Start-- Coin945 ( talk) 16:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
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If you have an opinion, please share. Talk:Solomon's_Temple#Leadimage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:35, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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/info/en/?search=Bassetki_Statue /info/en/?search=Akkad_(city) /info/en/?search=Tirigan
The Sumerian inscriptions for these articles are portrayed incorrectly - Sumerian is read left to right, and these are all displayed vertically. This seems to be a wider problem with how Sumerian is displayed across multiple articles, presumably for aesthetics. I think the misconception stems from cylinder seals, which have an image which is viewed from one angle, but the text should be viewed from the other. It's not like Egyptian - the vertical orientation is as incorrect as rotating chinese characters 90 degrees.
I propose a project to correct any and all Sumerian/cuneiform images which have been rotated like this - it's incorrect and embarassing. VeritasVox ( talk) 11:29, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
I was wondering if someone could have a look at Late Bronze Age Troy, which recently replaced an older article that was just about Troy VII. I wrote most of the text using handbook articles as my key sources, but I'm not an archaeologist so I want to be sure I didn't misunderstand anything and in particular that the use of terms like "layer" are correct. Botterweg14 (talk) 12:52, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
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Sumerian King List has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Zoeperkoe ( talk) 12:29, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello all,
There was a dispute between me and another editor recently, with this other editor adding the Ancient Near East Wikiproject template to articles that are not currently covered by what's described on the front page. My understanding is that based on Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East and Category:Ancient Near East, this period is, for Wikipedia purposes, considered to stop at the Hellenistic period.
From the article Ancient Near East:
Category:Ancient Near East is a bit clearer, though:
In my opinion, this is a good place to split it, because the Hellenistic & Roman period can be covered by Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome largely. Admittedly, there is a problem in that this leaves later Persian & Arabian history out to dry, as there doesn't appear to be an equivalent Classical Persia project for the Parthians & Sassanids... but so it goes.
Anyway, my reading of the templates and categories list at the main project page is that the current status quo is that the Hellenistic Period is a good cutting-off point of scope. Any thoughts or complaints if I were to make that more explicit? (This would also have the side effect of removing some recently added articles from the Hellenistic & Roman periods from the project - but this is good IMO, they can go in more closely related projects instead, and this one can cover Hittites / Babylonians / Assyrians / Elam / etc.) SnowFire ( talk) 05:13, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Well, yes, the closest thing to a consensus is that ancient in ANE means Uruk IV to the death of Alexander the great.
The former appears to be that is when people started taking this writing thing seriously. One could contend ancient could extend thousands of years earlier when they were already building cities etc or even to the Neanderthals of Shanidar Cave but that has not happened often.
The later case is harder because ancient means different things in different places. Was the Athens of Pericles fully Classical? Of course it was. In the Near East though people went on with the old ways until Alexander kicked over the apple cart (or chariot perhaps). I know, its hard to think of the Selucids as not "ancient" but really in the grand scheme of things they were classical
All that said, as Zoeperkoe stated, it's not worth fighting over. Just use your best judgement. Ploversegg ( talk) 19:04, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
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I feel like it's worth pointing out that someone has been using the page Erra (god), which is within the scope of this project, as a dumping ground for original research on barely deities, with a healthy dose of attributing own ideas to credible authors. I just raised the same point on the article's talk page. I should note the same phenomenon happened to other deity articles on a smaller scale before, and it is probably a single person at large. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 20:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello all,
First of all: Apologies if I'm doing formatting, etiquette, etc. incorrectly; I'm not a usual Wiki user.
I just wanted to draw attention to the Ancient Near East studies page, especially the following section (not necessarily because it's the worst section, but because it's the most glaringly incomplete): Ancient Near East studies#Universities with major ANE centres
This list is not only incomplete, but also rather US-centric. The article is a mess in general, but that section stood out to me as being in particular need of some editing. Of the institutions listed, some aren't even specific to antiquity—e.g. the reference link for Columbia University leads to a library collection with connections to multiple departments at Columbia, including the Department of Middle Eastern, South Asian & African Studies, but they seem to be at least as focused on the modern Near East as the ANE. Does anyone feel up to tackling that page, and especially that section?
Here are a few that I found with a quick search if anyone wants to properly format and add them:
Harvard University — Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations (under which both the graduate and undergraduate programs in ANE studies are housed)
University of British Columbia — Ancient Mediterranean and Near Eastern Studies
University of Chicago — Ancient Near Eastern History (from the Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations)
University of London SOAS — Ancient Near East
University of Minnesota — Classical & Near Eastern Religions & Cultures
University of Vienna — Ancient Near Eastern Studies
University of Wisconsin – Madison — Classical and Ancient Near Eastern Studies
Yale University — Near Eastern Languages & Civilizations (goes through to modernity, but houses graduate program in the Classical Near East
University of Freiburg — Near Eastern Philology
If we want to include departments that are about Near Eastern studies more generally/in modernity, but still include components related to history and antiquity:
Cornell University — Near Eastern Studies
University of Oxford — Faculty of Asian and Middle Eastern Studies
University of Toronto — Near and Middle Eastern Civilizations
Near Eastern Languages & Civilization — University of Washington
I also accidentally found a few things to put under the section about Societies (which is, perhaps inappropriately, under the small section of
Ancient Near East studies#History of ANE studies):
British Association for Near Eastern Archaeology
London Centre for the Ancient Near East
And a few that I wasn't sure whether to categorize under the Universities section or the Societies section, or whether to include at all; perhaps a section on museum collections or the like could be useful? I saw a number of museums advertising their ANE collections during my search:
ARCHAIA: Yale Program for the Study of Ancient and Premodern Cultures and Societies
Harvard Museum of the Ancient Near East (which appears to have a Wiki as well) (similar to the Columbia University example already in the list, this is a museum collection curated and accessed by related departments at Harvard University)
University of Alberta — W.G. Hardy Collection of Ancient Near Eastern and Classical Antiquities (same as above)
University of Sydney — Centre for Classical and Near Eastern Studies of Australia
Thanks!
Kinnery (
talk) 21:46, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Please can you look over this new article I've written? (And copyedit/improve if you can?). This isn't my area of expertise but I wanted to give it a crack. Hope you like. :)-- Coin945 ( talk) 18:05, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
They may be ok, but I just don't know. Thanks. [8] and [9]. Doug Weller talk 13:55, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
A discussion has been opened at Talk:Haurun, proposing to move the article on that deity to the title Hauron. A. Parrot ( talk) 21:43, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
I did a starter article for the site Tell Kunara. Alas the available online excavation reports (linked in the article) are in French. If anyone can read French and is in the mood it would be cool if they would take a look at them and perhaps add to the article.Thanks. Ploversegg ( talk) 18:38, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Recently Himyarite Kingdom has been moved to Hemyarite Kingdom on the grounds that the latter is "the correct name". I would be grateful for comment at Talk:Hemyarite Kingdom from people more knowledgeable on the topic than me. Furius ( talk) 16:57, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi! I found a lot of mistakes in this section about decipherment of cuneiform.
Class I, II and III are different types of cuneiform writing as defined by Carsten Niebuhr when copying trilingual inscriptions in Persepolis, Iran. Now we know that these different classes are three different languages.
Sumerian was at first believed to be just another way of writing Akkadian. Rawlinson understood at some point that Sumerian was a completely different language by examining bilingual syllabaries excavated at Kuyunjik (Iraq).
Contents in this article are taken from this source (Kramer): you can read by yourself. I am not an English native speaker, as you can see, so please help. :) Pequod76 ( talk-ita.esp.eng) 10:54, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
Recently the infoboxes of many articles of Ugaritic and/or Canaanite deities ( Shahar, Shalim, Kothar-wa-Khasis, the list goes on) have been a target of disprutive editing, courtesy of a single user who seems to have a poor grasp of the purpose of these templates; in addition to the usual routine of adding equivalents based on superficial similarities with 0 concern for what sources have to say, this batch of them includes nonsensical addition of empty sections with "??" given as value. It is admiteddly difficult for a single person to keep up with similar issues - which do pop up periodically - which is why I feel this should be brought up on the project talk page. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 11:07, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Naqiʾa#Requested move 16 January 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 13:27, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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I've made a proposal for WikiProject Mesopotamia because the area needs improving and properly organizing. All opinions needed and all support appreciated. Izzedine ( talk) 08:49, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
May I request some expert attention to this new article? It include items excluded from Etruscan civilization, including WP:SYNTHESIS, WP:OR and some dodgy-looking sources such as Bugge. Many thanks for any help with this, MuffledThud ( talk) 18:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
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Major rewrite, would appreciate some feedback ... rating? Thanks! Enki H. ( talk) 06:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I thought this might be better venue to voice my "inklings": Hebat, and other unsourced speculative articles
Should i delete 99 percent of article, or propose it for deletion or propose it for merging with Hurrian mythology or what? I sense there is the nub of a good article here and wonder if the main author, possibly a guy named Christopher Siren, just needs a fire lit under him to get him to provide sources and then Hebat could be a fine article.--But I also have been getting a horible feeling that ancient mythology and ancient civilizations on wikioedia are getting screwed so gigantically we will soon be a worse laughingstock in libraries everywhere, with no credibility--I sense that a number of contributors with a knack for storytelling have been writing fairy tales in ancient Sumer, ancient history, and mythology, and no one is calling them on it. Well it's pretty late and im rambling but I hope someone will take my intuition seriously.Rich (talk) 08:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC) Rich ( talk) 08:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Pretty obvious huh? But why couldn't whoever have did this gotten better at bsing and studied up and redirected his fairy tales to people above the ninth grade level? He seems to enjoy shoveling it, so unless he died he's still doing it somewhere.(There was another example on Meluhha, I think.So I'm saying as protection we need to clamp down on unsourced stuff. Best wishes, Rich ( talk) 18:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
The Indus civilization appears to contradict the hydraulic despotism hypothesis of the origin of urban civilization and the state. According to this hypothesis, all early, large-scale civilizations arose as a by-product of irrigation systems capable of generating massive agricultural surpluses.[citations needed]
It is often assumed that intensive agricultural production requires dams and canals. This assumption is easily refuted. Throughout Asia, rice farmers produce significant agricultural surpluses from terraced, hillside rice paddies, which result not from slavery but rather the accumulated labor of many generations of people. Instead of building canals, Indus civilization people may have built water diversion schemes, which—like terrace agriculture—can be elaborated by generations of small-scale labor investments. Such canals have, however, been found in northwestern India (Francfort). It should be noted that in only the easternmost section of the Indus Civilisation, people could build their lives around the monsoon, a weather pattern in which the bulk of a year's rainfall occurs in a four-month period; others had to depend on the seasonal flooding of rivers caused by snow melt at high elevations.[citations needed]
They domesticated animals like cattle, bears, wild pigs, dogs, water buffalo, elephants, monkeys, dromedary, chickens, goats, cats, and sheep." 75.45.106.99 ( talk) 19:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC) Rich ( talk) 19:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
The cleanup listing here, Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East/Cleanup listing, contains a long cleanup listing with many articles far remote from ancient times, and far remote from the Near East, for that matter.
What I am seeing on the cleanup page looks very much to me like a Wikipedia software bug. I made a screen capture of the statistics on a section called "About this listing" which says in part, "Based on that data, 855 articles are assigned to this work group, of which 113416, or 13,265.0% are flagged for cleanup." The next pages do list an incredible number of articles, on every possible subject, through missing coordinates in Zimbabwe at the end. Someone should report this software bug to the appropriate authorities. I don’t know who that might be. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 23:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Fixed by the bot author who comments: [...] This was an error in the bot code, and not related to the category scheme. Nevertheless there is something strange about your category scheme, as Category:WikiProject Ancient Near East articles contains article pages, not talk pages (the bot expects the talk pages in the category). I changed your subscription so that the bot looks for the banner template rather than category members; this now seems to work fine. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 14:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC) -- Enki H. ( talk) 15:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Don't know how interested you guys are in monitoring Babylonian astrology (it is part of this project), but it seems to contain a fair amount of neologisms, un-cited material, etc. -- 201.37.230.43 ( talk) 12:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys! Discussing with a few friends about transcription standards of Sumerian vs. Akkadian words, phrases and terms, I found the two categories Category:Sumerogram, pointing to Sumerogram and Category:Sumerian words and phrases.
... said: Rursus ( mbork³) 07:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I am interested in participating in the ANE portal, and I have already have a question that I could not find in the talk archive. If it has come up elsewhere, or if this is the wrong place, then I apologize, but anyway here it is: I am currently writing a page for Tell Hamidiya in Syria, and I found that a page on Tell Hamidiya (variant spelling) already exists but redirects to Taite, where it is said that Taite/Taidu has been identified with Hamidiya. As far as I know, that identification is still uncertain, so I wouldn't put that in this way on Wikipedia. I would still like to create Tell Hamidiya as a separate page, and then mention there that Taidu may be its ancient name, but that this is still uncertain. Any suggestions on this? I am quite happy to move my work to the Taite/Taidu page, but then we run into the following problem:
Anyway, the more important problem is that there seems to be no guidelines or consensus on Wikipedia for naming a page after a site's historical name or its current name. For example, Tell Brak redirects to Nagar, whereas the page of Tell Leilan is named, well, Tell Leilan.
I would argue for using the current name, as the historical name of a site is usually only signifant in a specific historical period. For example, Brak was known as Nagar during the third and second millennia, but its name during the fourth millennium is of course unknown. More problematic is the fact that sites may have had multiple names, as with Leilan (Shekhna/Shubat-Enlil). In that case, there would be no objective reason to choose for either of these names, and adopting the current name would be the best choice. Does anyone have any ideas on this? Zoeperkoe ( talk) 19:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
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Please note that there is an editwar occuring at Persian Empire, with content shifting from being a 60k article, a redirect, or a disambiguation page. Previous to the 2 month long edit war, the article was a 60k article. As this article appears to be within the scope of your wikiproject, I thought I'd let you know.
76.66.197.30 ( talk) 00:24, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I believe that the main reference point for several articles, notably Kramer's History Begins at Sumer, seems to be heavily biased in it's comparisons to Christianity, without recognising the important differences between the religions. This will no doubt colour the wikipedia articles. Notable examples are the article on the Code of Ur-Nammu, where he arranges the Priest above the Godhead. It's a pretty big change but it seems of paramount importance that when we examine one of, if not the, earliest religion known to civilization that we study it from as objective a viewpoint as possible. Desdinova ( talk) 15:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if somebody can help with this. This is the Empress Theatre (Montreal). Is it Phonenician or Egyptian style:
Thanks, Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 04:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The article Bethsaida has a link to et-Tell. The problem is that from the descriptions of the two sites they are two widely different locations, and this seems to be born out by the geo-coordinates given. I would edit-out the link myself except I'd like my conclusions double checked by experts (well... more expert than myself, anyway) - especially if there is more than one site named "et-Tell" {another problem, given its meaning :p} Thank you, Shir-El too 09:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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I just posted here: Talk:Nebuchadnezzar_II#Doubtful_statements_in_the_Bible_section; some reservations I have about statements in the article on Nebuchadnezzar II. History is really not my specialty, so it would be good if someone with a more helpful background would take a look at it. Thanks. -- Art Carlson ( talk) 10:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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There are still some old articles with text largely based on the 1911 Britannica on "Babylonia and Assyria". Given that these texts are highly outdated, in most cases dealt with in more detail elsewhere (usually the articles on Babylonia and Assyria, and that "Babylonia and Assyria" does in no way represent a useful entity to discuss things like religion or geography, I suggest that they are merged with other articles, or, probably more likely, are simply deleted. The articles in question are:
Any comments? -- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 17:25, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Done Consider all these moves done.-- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 02:43, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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The article Al-Sinnabra has been proposed for merger with Khirbet Kerak ( Discuss). Your viewpoints would be quite appropriate here. -- Sreifa ( talk) 05:26, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
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Is up for FPOC. This is one of the highest (if not the highest) visibility portal on Wikipedia, I recommend commenting on it! Cheers, Res Mar 23:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
The Namshub (incantation) article is unsourced, yet makes big claims. It either needs source citations, or to be proposed for deletion. Is anyone here qualified to tell which of these two choices might be the right one? -- The Anome ( talk) 19:57, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
FYI, a discussion is taking place here about moving the Baʿal article to Baal. Thank you. Yazan ( talk) 17:32, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
image:CanaaniteRelief.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 05:49, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
I just wonder as Talk page seems deathly quiet. I just noticed that Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East/Article alerts isn't activated. In ictu oculi ( talk) 02:46, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
See my three CfDs related to Israel/Palestine historical cats at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 February 9. trespassers william ( talk) 21:52, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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If anyone can rescue this I'd be happy, otherwise I think I'll merge it with Christian O'Brien as per the AfD on another take on this subject, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kharsag Epics. Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 20:41, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
In an attempt to get a project wide consensus and WP:MOS standard I've started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#Capitalis(z)ation_of_ancient - eg the correct form of "Pottery of A/ancient Assyria". Please contribute if possible. 77.86.119.83 ( talk) 21:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
The page on Namtar suggests that the Sumerians were 'conquered' by the babylonians and Assyrians. This completely incorrect - in actuality there was a long and protracted period of cultural blending. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.15.61 ( talk) 00:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
I've been asked about these: "Those articles can be described in one simple word - DISASTER! :( First, there are many factual errors. Second, there is no any consensus about chronology; some Wikipedians use long chronoglogy, some middle, and some short, so there is complete chronological mess -dates can varry +/- 120 years! Third, there is category problem also; I saw very useless (& nonexisting) categories for ancient empires (example: Akkadian Empire) like "2200 BC disestablishments" - schoolars are not agreed did that empire collapsed in 23th or 22th century, so even something like "22th century BC disestablishments" wouldn't be enough precise. In any case, first point is typical while third point is easy, but for "long/middle/short chronology problem" you should organize some serious "Wiki aministrators discussion" and find some agreement. I also noticed that many foreign languages Wikis copied wrong & contradict dates so problem is even deeper..." Obviously this isn't an administrator's job, but it is a problem. We've done some cleanup on chronology on AE articles. Dougweller ( talk) 17:35, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Agreed, using a uniform dating system is much more important than which one used. Besides, a lot of people are skeptical about the entire Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa reference point, but without it we would have a zillion chronologies instead of just 3-ish. So I'm happy with whatever. Another thing that needs to happen in the ANE is the consolidation and deletion of a number of small articles that have crept in over the years. And changing the official project definition of ANE to not include Egypt, which is happened in practice already, and uncating the remaining Egypt specific articles. You can get more indication of what needs to be done from the cleanup list, which I stuck on the project page Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East/Cleanup listing. Ploversegg ( talk) 23:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm comfortable with everything you said. King lists are soft except in streches where you have good year names. I still have some hopes for dendrochronology. And there is some current skewing of the excavation related chrono data because work has continued in Syria and Turkey while largely at a standstill in Iraq and Iran, but hopefully that will change in time. So, I'm good ... as long as everyone agrees that the Minoan eruption was in 1627 BC. :-) Ploversegg ( talk) 17:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Agreed, doing Wikipedia is meant to be fun and a framework to learn. I have put a certain amount of "pre-historic" stuff in. Like I am poking on Chogha Mish as part of linking it to Cities of the ancient Near East (a misnomer that should be "Sites of the ANE" but what the heck). Ploversegg ( talk) 20:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
...see Talk:Tiamat#Robert_Graves_and_matriarchy.2Fpatriarchy_analogy - I think this article might benefit from some out-of-universe scholarly material, if anyone is familiar with the topic. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 01:15, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Okease have a lok at this article. It is the translation of hu:Szamal (állam). Can somebodyhelp me to improve the form of the article? -- Ksanyi ( talk) 06:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
The project seems to have adopted the Low Chronology, but there does not seem to have been any discussion about this (I find the "citation needed" tag on 'The absolute 2nd millennium BC dates resulting from this decision currently have a majority (though not unanimous) support in academia, although the middle chronology (reign of Hammurabi 1792 BC – 1750 BC) is commonly encountered in older literature'<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_chronology</ref> and the fact that this statement: 'The current scholarly consensus is with the short chronology (sack of Babylon 1531 BC) used in this article.'<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_ancient_Near_East</ref> is also unsourced rather telling).
To shed some light on middle vs low and their respective degree of acceptance, I have collected some quotes for that from recent handbooks of both historians and archaeologists, which are the kind of books that Wikipedia should follow.
Whatever the result of this discussion, it should at least be clear that the short chronology is not as widely accepted as some articles on wikipedia seem to suggest. -- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 21:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
...is a bit of a mess. I began copyediting it but not actually sure of the scope of the definition. Anyone familiar is welcome to chip in. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 20:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Tel Dan , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Sreifa ( talk) 10:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Do we have a guideline for how to transcribe pharyngeals and glottals in Semitic and Ancient NE names? I'm running through all the IPA letters that aren't formatted with one of the IPA templates, and most of the ʕ, ʔ, ˤ, and ˀ are in such names. For example, at Heliopolis (ancient) there is "אן ˀOn, and און ˀĀwen (or ˀÔn)" at the end of the lede, and "Per-Aat (*Par-ʕĀʔat, written pr-ˁ3t, 'Great House') and Per-Atum (*Par-ʔAtāma, written pr-ỉtmw 'Temple [lit. 'House'] of Atum"' > Hebrew פתם Pithom)" in the next paragraph, which use all four of those letters. In a modern context, at Omdurman we have Khalifa ˤAbdullahi ibn Muḥammad; the other three letters are just as common in Arabic and Hebrew as in Egyptian etc. I can understand the desire for these, as traditional ‘ vs ’ is not visibly very salient, and tends to get conflated when copying and pasting text. We have a long history of ע being mistaken for א because of problems like this.
Another common example is the use of the ejective diacritic, ʼ, in place of the apostrophe. I think it might be preferred because it never displays as a straight '.
Now, besides complicating my attempts to clean up the IPA, these may not display properly on all browsers; if I'm going to clean them up (I mostly ignored them on my last run), I might as well convert them to your preferences. So,
I have 2600 hits from the WP dump, and probably half are due to this. — kwami ( talk) 23:02, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
here is my opinion: in the first place, this isn't about IPA at all, it is about transliterating ancient languages. So you shouldn't use {{ IPA}} but {{ lang}} ({{lang|sem|}}, ,{{lang|egy|}} ...). For each language transliterated, a best practice should be established at the article about the language itself, i.e. our recommended transliteration for Ugaritic should be the one used at Ugaritic language, the transliteration of Egyptian should be in one of the systems discussed at Transliteration of Ancient Egyptian, etc. -- dab (𒁳) 20:33, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Input from anyone interested in the Bronze and Iron age history of this region would be very useful. Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 12:30, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
The Sennacherib article mentioned a king named "Sidqia". The Sidqia article was a link to Zedekiah, but that is wrong because Zedekiah lived a century after Sennacherib. Therefore I've changed the article but it really needs a makeover by someone who knows something about this stuff. I wander is a "Sidqia" really existed. Mismeret ( talk) 21:03, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Zoeperkoe and I have been having a discussion on how best to categorize and organize archaeological sites in the Ancient Middle East, so that they'd be easily, and more intuitively accessible and navigable. We would like any feedback from participants, to come with some sort of a standard.
It seems to make sense to categorize the sites by the different epochs during which they were occupied. So far the main epochs we could agree on were the following:
For an applied example of how this would look like, please see the main/parent category for archaeological sites in Greece, Category:Archaeological sites in Greece.
Nevertheless, this method leaves us with two main problems.
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Yazan ( talk) 19:00, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
In my humble opionion, there has been a program of creating questionable history and other elements in order to create a revisionist picture of anything related to Assyria operating for well over a year. As far as I can tell, there is only one individual involved, working under a Wiki name and an IP name at different times of the day:
though see also
a good example being seen if one views the history of List of Kings of Babylon. Some examples of affected articles include Akkadian Empire, Kassites, Babylonia and a slew of other regional peoples (Chaldeans, Arameans, Urartians etc) and places. Note that I don't point to the main articles like Assyrian people etc as they are a lost cause.
I understand that in the Wiki framework you can't keep someone who is willing to spend every waking hour building a web of fiction from doing just that. My intention here is simply to leave a pointer for future Wikipedia editors that
Thank you for having taken the time to read this. Ploversegg ( talk) 03:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
There is a theory claiming that Roman god Janus is a derivation of an ancient Syrian uranic deity. Pierre Grimal supported this view in a book published in 1951, which I cannot consult, so I am not sure about the identification. R. Schilling names a Sumeric god named Usmu (who is represented as introducing worshippers to other gods) and William Betham a god Baalianus or Belinus, that he thought to be related to Oannes. As far as the etymology is concerned what god could be the most likely identification? Are there any quotable works dealing with the issue ? Thank s for the attention. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 14:24, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Members of this project may wish to contribute. Whatever the articles are called (a rename might be better) I believe that Wikipedia:Content forking is necessary where it proves difficult to accomodate the actual law of the Ancient Israelites in Canaan either in the Moses bio, where it was, or in the clearly living Judaism focussed Torah article to where an editor has proposed a move. In ictu oculi ( talk) 03:15, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
On Lead_glass#History a clay tablet with a glass recipes is mentioned. In the source provided it is dated around 1700BC. But reading another reference provided few lines above, for what I assume to be the same tablet, is given a date between 14th and 12th century BC. In this second reference an image of the tablet is provided. Since I'm always curious and unfortunately unable to get full access to the first reference given, I was wondering if anyone of you could bring some light to the issue.
Thanks in advance! -- Dia^ ( talk) 12:53, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
I have made a proposal to reorganize Template:Ancient Mesopotamia. See here for the discussion; see here for the actual new draft. Your input is appreciated!-- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 18:45, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Recently, the article History of Pottery in the Southern Levant was moved to History of Pottery in Palestine. It had been under the title History of Pottery in the Southern Levant for around 5 years, and it had been my understanding that this was in order to keep the article NPOV. I am currently in a dispute with the editor who moved the page on the article talk page and was wondering if anyone would be able to assist regarding the proper naming of the article. Thanks Drsmoo ( talk) 11:00, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
We have a new editor, A Timelord ( talk · contribs) who has, in his words, started a time war, changing dates to Aspro chronology using "cal BCE". I'm not convinced this is a good idea. Any comments? Dougweller ( talk) 22:18, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point: State your point. However, do not spam Wikipedia, disingenuously nominate articles for deletion, push rules to their limits, or otherwise create work for other people just to prove your point.
I assume that the rule about creating work for other people to prove a point is governed by the adjective disingenuously by the nature of the statement. This would otherwise create a paradox that the Wikipedia project is not here to create work. Hence, I intend to proceed with my assistance to this work without being disingenous and apologise at any moment when I am not appearing to be in genius. A Timelord ( talk) 12:01, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to disturb. I found the article about the Sumerian king of Lagash Eannatum a bit lacking. I expressed some of my doubts on the talk page: is someone willing to check? Thanks! 79.51.8.1 ( talk) 21:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Should these articles even exist? They're based only on descriptions from the Book of Joshua. My 50-year-old edition of the Oxford Annotated Bible gives more credence to the early books of the Tanakh than most scholars today seem to do, but even it treats the Book of Joshua as little better than nationalistic fiction. Certainly I don't think these supposed battles should be described in the factual style that these articles use now. A. Parrot ( talk) 18:43, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion on which map to include for the Ancient period in the History section of the Palestine article. The discussion is currently deadlocked so any thoughtful input from knowledgeable/interested editors would be very helpful.
The discussion on the ancient map is at the bottom of Talk:Palestine (just to clarify as there is another discussion on the main map for the article further up the page). Thanks, Dlv999 ( talk) 17:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC).
Hi all, there are various important Jerusalem-related articles out there which are in dire need of attention. Jerusalem during the Crusader period and Jerusalem during the Mamluk period were machine-translated from the extensive articles on Hebrew-wiki and are currently incomprehensible. They were recently blanked and transformed into redirects, but that was undone as a lot of good information, unavailable elsewhere, would have been lost. Any effort going into transforming the two above-mentioned into proper articles would be much appreciated, be it translation, formatting, grammar, citations or images. We once went through the same process with Jerusalem during the Second Temple Period and the result wasn't half bad. Poliocretes ( talk) 15:53, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
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Why does the navigation bar at Iltasadum and others give dates not at Sumerian King List? We have the firsts king in the list, Jushur given a date of "ca. 2550 BC, or legendary" while Iltasadum is "after ca 2900". Dougweller ( talk) 15:29, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I think everyone would agree that the dating of ANE articles is a mess, especially with regards to the chronology used. I'm not looking to "standardize" the chronology we use (that would be a massive effort, let alone a very divisive debate, I suspect) but can't we have some sort of a maintenance template/category (or at least a field in the WP banner on the talk page) that can help us tag articles according to the chronology used in them, so that we keep track? Yazan ( talk) 05:51, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
You can also use the University of Cologne's online Radiocarbon CONTEXT database [1] to reference particular levels at particular sites for the c14 dates, but don't just go jumping in there taking the earliest dates without checking the level that you're referencing with the original archaeological report for the site. There can be several dates in there before those of an actual settlement being referred to.
Also please be aware that dates move, and it is best to use those in the latest publication possible. Archaeologists have an annoying tendancy of publishing sneaky papers (often in French) that re-date levels of (often really big) sites. For instance, Danielle Stordeur recently abolished the Aswadian PPNA culture and pushed the PPNB back. I also recently had to push back the dating on Byblos around 3000 years (from around 5000 to 8800 BCE) after Yosef Garfinkel published an article redating it's lowest PPNB level to match Jericho's.
Hope these resources help improving the dating of ancient sites, prehistoric ones at least, which I totally agree are in a mess on many articles. More help the merrier on this everyone! Paul Bedson ❉ talk❉ 14:59, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
This is a discussion I am not getting in the middle of this time. :-) Yes, the ANE chronol|ogy situation is a mess, because it reflects the current mess in the actual ANE field. I created the Short chronology timeline not because I am in love with the short chronology but in the vain hope that if we could use a single set of dates for all ANE articles and people with other chronology religions could just adjust to their view on the fly. Alas the religious differences are too strong for that. I will add two minor points before I retreat 1) a big problem is that many published radiocarbon dates you read are calibrated with some calibration scale (they may even not say which one) and the actual counts are not listed so you can't even map to the latest scale. Makes it hard to compare apples to apples. Look into INTCAL if you are curious. 2) The 64 year thing that separates the short and long chronologies is looking weaker all the time so don't take that too strictly. PS I'm not sure I would sign on to Egyptian chronology being solid to quite THAT early, but that's just my humble opinion. :-) Ploversegg ( talk) 19:37, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Not really relevant since this is about historic chronology, but please note that Paul Bedson's praise of ASPRO/MOM is not accurate. ASPRO is neither the only nor the best prehistoric chronology available. In fact, outside French language academia, it is quite rarely used. I also advise against his suggestion of using the latest articles on sites. These articles represent the ongoing debate, which can shift back and forth. Rather, Wikipedia must rely on handbooks (like Akkermans & Schwartz's Archaeology of Syria, with which some of you are undoubtedly familiar), as these (usually) reflect the state of knowledge as it is widely accepted in the scientific field and therefore more likely to stay stable in the long term. And some of this obviously also applies to the Long/Middle/Short debate. Just my two cents.-- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 16:55, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I've recently created Middle chronology, which is currently a bit of an explanation of the current arguments regarding chronologies, that may eventually get split apart and form Long chronology, Ultra-low chronology and Ultra-high chronology pages that can form the basis of category main pages. Whilst we can keep with the Short chronology standard, I feel the need to explore these variances to clarify the "mess" that this section has been labelled with. I've even felt the need to express extreme variances such as Waddell's chronology to provide broader coverage of notable contributions to our understanding of ANE chronology. I find the argument that 99.99% of Wikipedia readership wants consistency a bit of a step over NPOV and into OR territory and we should move with the times. Fascinating stuff by Christian Eder and Leonhard Sassmannshausen published in 2004 and 2006 respectively has barely been covered here for instance. All contributions and suggestions welcome in any case. Paul Bedson ❉ talk❉ 13:06, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
I am interested in bringing the ancient city of Mari, Syria to GA status, but it's a project well beyond my individual efforts and would probably require some help from people who have more expertise on the subject. If anyone is interested in helping out, please feel free to drop me a note, and perhaps we could start working on organizing a draft somewhere. The article itself, at the moment, is useless. Many thanks. Yazan ( talk) 16:21, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
I had a thought on some perimeters we could add to Template:WikiProject Ancient Near East. "Mesopotamia=yes" could add a page to wp:Iraq, "anotolea=yes" could add a page to wp:Turkey, etc. The trickery part would be "palistine=yes" to add a page to both wp's Palestine and Israel. I don't have the technical skills to modify the template like that tough. Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 18:40, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Just a heads up for whoever has watchlisted prehistoric Mesopotamian sites; where this had not yet been done, I have split off the articles on type sites and the periods/cultures named after them. This had already been done for a lot of other periods (for example, Uruk and Uruk period, Tell Halaf and Halaf culture, Jemdet Nasr and Jemdet Nasr period) so I thought it only consistent to do this with the few that still remained. Affected are:
In no case was material deleted. It is just a reordering of material that, I think, allows for better expansion of articles, and also gives each affected article a much better scope and well-defined topic.-- Zoeperkoe ( talk) 11:55, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Why is this category change happening? Chris Troutman ( talk) 06:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Eyes needed on claim this was first a Berber goddess. Dougweller ( talk) 17:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Template:Aramaeans: The template links to Reson, which redirects to Aramaean kings, which doesn't mention Reson. Please fix it somewhere. trespassers william ( talk) 18:24, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
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Anyone interested can make comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion#Disambiguations of divinities. A. Parrot ( talk) 03:16, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Assistance from experts is required at Cyaxares II. A significant amount of material has recently been added by one editor, including many conclusions that seem to be original research, and an overarching POV that seems opposed to the mainstream view. I have done some copyediting on the article to remove some of the worst non-neutral POV issues, but close attention by experts on the subject is required. Thanks.-- Jeffro77 ( talk) 23:16, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
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I made a family tree of kings, queens, and other key figures from the Hittite New Kingdom. This is collapsible, so it could just appear as a bar across the bottom unless people expand it. Now, I actually made this template primarily for my own edification (keeping these relationships straight in my mind as I was reading Bryce's Kingdom of the Hittites), but how would people feel about adding it to the articles about the people concerned? Q·L· 1968 ☿ 16:39, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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Hello, I've find some letters in a books write bay Joseph Justus Scaliger printed in 1624. Is it really translation from Babylonian words ? Can you categorised in commons ? Sincerely Garitan ( talk) 09:07, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
No, those are hebrew words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Eldritch ( talk • contribs) 18:32, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
In the process of overhauling WP:Manual of Style/Capital letters#All caps and small caps ( MOS:ALLCAPS) to make more sense generally and, for linguistic stuff in particular, to make sense people without advanced degrees, I came across a problem. I raised this originally at WT:LINGUISTICS, and copy the entire thread here:
One last clarification on this part: There's an old instruction in there that "Transcription of logograms (as opposed to phonograms) can also be done with small caps or all caps." What applicability could this have here? I don't see this used in Wikipedia anywhere; all the direct representations of logograms are given "as they are" (樂) with the appropriate
{{ lang|zh}}
or whatever markup (and many logogrammatic languages have no upper/lower case system, at least not in Unicode); Romanized transcriptions are given in italics (yuè); and English glosses [canonically] in single quotes ('music'). In actual practice, much of all three forms of markup is missing or wrong (e.g. double quotes on English glosses, and so forth). This was true at Logogram, which I just overhauled (other than things like yuè are not marked up as{{ lang|zh-[something here]|yuè}}
; I don't know the particulars of such stuff for Chinese).Anyway, the mystery reference to logograms in the MoS wording has been commented out for now. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 08:24, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- @ SMcCandlish: Maybe it's about cuneiform? /info/en/?search=Cuneiform_script#Transliteration /info/en/?search=Sumerian_language#Sample_text Umimmak ( talk) 08:30, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- @ Umimmak: That sounds plausible, i.e. that it's an extension of the HIC IACET style for Classical Latin to other ancient languages, including those in other scripts. It seems a bit superfluous if so. However, something's going on at the second of those articles, with some stuff in this style and some not, and it's not clear [to me] what difference this is intended to signify (but it may be important to get this right): "30–31: SAḪAR.DU6.TAKA4-bi eden-na ki ba-ni-us2-us2". Whatever it is, this would surely be less annoyingly shouty as "30–31: SAḪAR.DU6.TAKA4-bi eden-na ki ba-ni-us2-us2". — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:08, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Found a hint at Dingir: "By Assyriological convention, capitals identify a cuneiform sign used as a word, while the phonemic value of a sign in a given context is given in lower case." But there's no source for this. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:10, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Source: "Never put logograms in capitals: only uninterpreted sign names, and complex signs are in upper case [2]", which is not quite the same statement. And this appears to be a set of instructions for a special form of encoding, not for writing natural-language linguistic prose that includes some cuneiform. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:16, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Another, saying something related but different: 'If the letters that make up the transliteration are written in upper case, e.g., “PA” ..., then the transliteration merely refers to or represents the cuneiform sign without making any claim about how the sign is pronounced. Letters in lower case, e.g., “pa” ..., presuppose a phonetic interpretation on the part of the modern text editor.' [3]Blatantly conflicting convention: "Akkadian words are given in italics, with logograms set in small capitals" [4], and "Transliterations: ... texts are set with Sumerian logograms in small capitals and Akkadian words in italics; unknown readings are given in large capitals." [5]
A third system, encountered in several works: "[D]ifferent formats are used to distinguish between Hittite words, Sumerograms, and Akkadograms ... [E]verything Hittite is lower case .... Sumerograms are given in roman capitals (in this book in small capitals: EN) .... Akkadograms are also capitalized but italicized ...." [6]. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:38, 27 November 2017 (UTC)So, this is messy. I'm suspecting that similar conventions exist for other specialized areas of study; this stuff can probably just be an example in a footnote, to a line item that, in some wording, says something to the effect of "In particular linguistic subfields, like Assyriology[fn1], there are special conventions for the use of all caps and sometimes small caps. When the convention is not distinguishing between all and small caps, normalize to small caps to be easier on readers' eyes. Regardless, use a consistent style throughout an article." Does that seem like a reasonable approach? — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:38, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- @ SMcCandlish: Two relevant pages from Fortson [7]. Umimmak ( talk) 09:21, 27 November 2017 (UTC) Addendum: If I am right and the MOS was in reference to writing Sumerograms, perhaps you should ask Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East as well. Umimmak ( talk) 09:37, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- I'll do that, though I think this is not ultimately going to be entirely about that stuff, but just a general "don't use full-size ALL CAPS without reason, and use a consistent system intra-article" statement. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:43, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
The gist: MOS doesn't need to get into any language-specific details like italic small caps for Akkadian and full-size all caps for Sumerian, or one of the other (seemingly intra-language rather than inter-language) systems. It just needs to have a footnote that various systems exist, to be consistent in use of one in a single article, and to avoid full-size all caps if the system permits it. Is that going to be good enough? If this (or another) wikiproject has a WP:PROJPAGE recommending a specific system, we can link to it from MOS:ALLCAPS. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 09:53, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
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{{Near East Neolithic}} uses BC dating but is also used in BCE articles. For NPOV purposes I think we need a BCE version. Doug Weller talk 15:03, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
If anyone has time, could they take a look at the recent edits? Thanks. Doug Weller talk 13:35, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm attempting to write an article on Nebuchadnezzar II’s Prism at User:Daask/sandbox/Nebuchadnezzar II’s Prism. However, I think I'm mixing up multiple documents and archaelogical finds. I don't think all of my sources are discussing the same document. Can anyone help me clear up this issue? Someone who can read German would be especially helpful. Daask ( talk) 13:33, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
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The Sumerian inscriptions for these articles are portrayed incorrectly - Sumerian is read left to right, and these are all displayed vertically. This seems to be a wider problem with how Sumerian is displayed across multiple articles, presumably for aesthetics. I think the misconception stems from cylinder seals, which have an image which is viewed from one angle, but the text should be viewed from the other. It's not like Egyptian - the vertical orientation is as incorrect as rotating chinese characters 90 degrees.
I propose a project to correct any and all Sumerian/cuneiform images which have been rotated like this - it's incorrect and embarassing. VeritasVox ( talk) 11:29, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
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Hello all,
There was a dispute between me and another editor recently, with this other editor adding the Ancient Near East Wikiproject template to articles that are not currently covered by what's described on the front page. My understanding is that based on Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East and Category:Ancient Near East, this period is, for Wikipedia purposes, considered to stop at the Hellenistic period.
From the article Ancient Near East:
Category:Ancient Near East is a bit clearer, though:
In my opinion, this is a good place to split it, because the Hellenistic & Roman period can be covered by Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome largely. Admittedly, there is a problem in that this leaves later Persian & Arabian history out to dry, as there doesn't appear to be an equivalent Classical Persia project for the Parthians & Sassanids... but so it goes.
Anyway, my reading of the templates and categories list at the main project page is that the current status quo is that the Hellenistic Period is a good cutting-off point of scope. Any thoughts or complaints if I were to make that more explicit? (This would also have the side effect of removing some recently added articles from the Hellenistic & Roman periods from the project - but this is good IMO, they can go in more closely related projects instead, and this one can cover Hittites / Babylonians / Assyrians / Elam / etc.) SnowFire ( talk) 05:13, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Well, yes, the closest thing to a consensus is that ancient in ANE means Uruk IV to the death of Alexander the great.
The former appears to be that is when people started taking this writing thing seriously. One could contend ancient could extend thousands of years earlier when they were already building cities etc or even to the Neanderthals of Shanidar Cave but that has not happened often.
The later case is harder because ancient means different things in different places. Was the Athens of Pericles fully Classical? Of course it was. In the Near East though people went on with the old ways until Alexander kicked over the apple cart (or chariot perhaps). I know, its hard to think of the Selucids as not "ancient" but really in the grand scheme of things they were classical
All that said, as Zoeperkoe stated, it's not worth fighting over. Just use your best judgement. Ploversegg ( talk) 19:04, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
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I feel like it's worth pointing out that someone has been using the page Erra (god), which is within the scope of this project, as a dumping ground for original research on barely deities, with a healthy dose of attributing own ideas to credible authors. I just raised the same point on the article's talk page. I should note the same phenomenon happened to other deity articles on a smaller scale before, and it is probably a single person at large. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 20:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello all,
First of all: Apologies if I'm doing formatting, etiquette, etc. incorrectly; I'm not a usual Wiki user.
I just wanted to draw attention to the Ancient Near East studies page, especially the following section (not necessarily because it's the worst section, but because it's the most glaringly incomplete): Ancient Near East studies#Universities with major ANE centres
This list is not only incomplete, but also rather US-centric. The article is a mess in general, but that section stood out to me as being in particular need of some editing. Of the institutions listed, some aren't even specific to antiquity—e.g. the reference link for Columbia University leads to a library collection with connections to multiple departments at Columbia, including the Department of Middle Eastern, South Asian & African Studies, but they seem to be at least as focused on the modern Near East as the ANE. Does anyone feel up to tackling that page, and especially that section?
Here are a few that I found with a quick search if anyone wants to properly format and add them:
Harvard University — Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations (under which both the graduate and undergraduate programs in ANE studies are housed)
University of British Columbia — Ancient Mediterranean and Near Eastern Studies
University of Chicago — Ancient Near Eastern History (from the Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations)
University of London SOAS — Ancient Near East
University of Minnesota — Classical & Near Eastern Religions & Cultures
University of Vienna — Ancient Near Eastern Studies
University of Wisconsin – Madison — Classical and Ancient Near Eastern Studies
Yale University — Near Eastern Languages & Civilizations (goes through to modernity, but houses graduate program in the Classical Near East
University of Freiburg — Near Eastern Philology
If we want to include departments that are about Near Eastern studies more generally/in modernity, but still include components related to history and antiquity:
Cornell University — Near Eastern Studies
University of Oxford — Faculty of Asian and Middle Eastern Studies
University of Toronto — Near and Middle Eastern Civilizations
Near Eastern Languages & Civilization — University of Washington
I also accidentally found a few things to put under the section about Societies (which is, perhaps inappropriately, under the small section of
Ancient Near East studies#History of ANE studies):
British Association for Near Eastern Archaeology
London Centre for the Ancient Near East
And a few that I wasn't sure whether to categorize under the Universities section or the Societies section, or whether to include at all; perhaps a section on museum collections or the like could be useful? I saw a number of museums advertising their ANE collections during my search:
ARCHAIA: Yale Program for the Study of Ancient and Premodern Cultures and Societies
Harvard Museum of the Ancient Near East (which appears to have a Wiki as well) (similar to the Columbia University example already in the list, this is a museum collection curated and accessed by related departments at Harvard University)
University of Alberta — W.G. Hardy Collection of Ancient Near Eastern and Classical Antiquities (same as above)
University of Sydney — Centre for Classical and Near Eastern Studies of Australia
Thanks!
Kinnery (
talk) 21:46, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Please can you look over this new article I've written? (And copyedit/improve if you can?). This isn't my area of expertise but I wanted to give it a crack. Hope you like. :)-- Coin945 ( talk) 18:05, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
They may be ok, but I just don't know. Thanks. [8] and [9]. Doug Weller talk 13:55, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
A discussion has been opened at Talk:Haurun, proposing to move the article on that deity to the title Hauron. A. Parrot ( talk) 21:43, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
I did a starter article for the site Tell Kunara. Alas the available online excavation reports (linked in the article) are in French. If anyone can read French and is in the mood it would be cool if they would take a look at them and perhaps add to the article.Thanks. Ploversegg ( talk) 18:38, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Recently Himyarite Kingdom has been moved to Hemyarite Kingdom on the grounds that the latter is "the correct name". I would be grateful for comment at Talk:Hemyarite Kingdom from people more knowledgeable on the topic than me. Furius ( talk) 16:57, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi! I found a lot of mistakes in this section about decipherment of cuneiform.
Class I, II and III are different types of cuneiform writing as defined by Carsten Niebuhr when copying trilingual inscriptions in Persepolis, Iran. Now we know that these different classes are three different languages.
Sumerian was at first believed to be just another way of writing Akkadian. Rawlinson understood at some point that Sumerian was a completely different language by examining bilingual syllabaries excavated at Kuyunjik (Iraq).
Contents in this article are taken from this source (Kramer): you can read by yourself. I am not an English native speaker, as you can see, so please help. :) Pequod76 ( talk-ita.esp.eng) 10:54, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
Recently the infoboxes of many articles of Ugaritic and/or Canaanite deities ( Shahar, Shalim, Kothar-wa-Khasis, the list goes on) have been a target of disprutive editing, courtesy of a single user who seems to have a poor grasp of the purpose of these templates; in addition to the usual routine of adding equivalents based on superficial similarities with 0 concern for what sources have to say, this batch of them includes nonsensical addition of empty sections with "??" given as value. It is admiteddly difficult for a single person to keep up with similar issues - which do pop up periodically - which is why I feel this should be brought up on the project talk page. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 11:07, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Naqiʾa#Requested move 16 January 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 13:27, 16 January 2023 (UTC)