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As Australia's longest-serving PM (serving for eighteen years), I think that Menzies probably had more of an impact on Australia than Curtin. Menzies even was considered a possible replacement for Winston Churchill.
Search for Menzies or Curtin in the archives. We've discussed this before. Cobblet ( talk) 01:17, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
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The fact that it is the largest independent city in the United States guarantees its vitality at this level.
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This list needs to be more balanced in region. The lack of this article evidently demonstrates the problem.
European architecture & Asian architecture are currently redirects, however there's an independent article on African architecture. Also African architecture is, to Malerisch's mind, vital (cf. Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Expanded/Archive_36#Add_Ancient_Roman_architecture)-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 03:27, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
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Like I said above, I actually like this film. How can you not fall in love with 16 Going on 17, but including it on this list is a joke.
OTOH, that is a valuable perspective to have, and one that is sorely missing from so many of the discussions on this page. Here and elsewhere on the list, I think one has to strike a balance between what is well-known to the public and what is important to specialists in the field. Wikipedia is used by both kinds of people. Cobblet ( talk) 17:13, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
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Might as well open this since two others have suggested the swap with Yahweh.
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There is now only one writer from Australia, Banjo Paterson. Patrick White is "widely regarded as one of the most important English-language novelists of the 20th century" and he was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1973.
There are more important Australian Nobel laureates missing like Howard Florey. Also J. M. Coetzee who is now an Australian citizen is listed. Gizza ( t)( c) 03:01, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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The fact that he is now considered to be one of the most significant 20th century writers in horror fiction guarantees his vitality.
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The facts that this person was instrumental in Civil Rights Movement and contributed substantially to the autobiography genre by deliberately attempting to challenge the common structure of the autobiography by critiquing, altering, and expanding the genre guarantee her vitality. Adding her also reduces the list's racial and gender biases.
This will be my last edit to this page unless that disgusting racial slur is removed from the nominator's comments. We have tolerated this user's ignorance until now but this is a new low. Cobblet ( talk) 18:22, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
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There is now 26 psychologists on the list. Daniel Kahneman is probably the next to be added. Hull, a behaviourist psychologist, is important as a historical figure, but his theories are currently out of fashion.
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From the Legacy section of the article I clearly know that the article is no doubt crucial at this level.
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One of the first notable social activists of any kind. Her advocacy and recommendations for prison reform were influential throughout Europe; she also worked to improve the plight of the sick, the insane and the homeless in Englnad.
FWIW, she's also been on the 5-pound note since 2002, although a new bill featuring Churchill is coming out later this year. Cobblet ( talk) 18:35, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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There are many famous soul songs (like "Respect" on the list), but What's Going On is also as a theme album, soul music's first "art" album. It has been voted as one of the greatest albums of all time, just like Sgt. Pepper.
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An influential film of the French New wave, so essential for discussing the French New wave, but a vital film topic? We don't have Bonnie and Clyde (New Hollywood). We don't have Room at the Top (Brit New Wave).
In the same boat as Dr Strangelove: a key work of 60s film, but not as revered and as influential as Fellini's 8½.
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Basic human activity.
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One of the most important representatives of surrealism. [3].
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I had proposed to add Tom Clancy, but no one sanctioned my proposal. I think it's weird since Tom Clancy has contributed significantly to military fiction by re-defining and expanding it, he should be vital at this level. In fact, all writers who have contributed substantially to a particular literary genre/format, e.g. by making it much more popular to readers, making more later writers willing to publish such books/works, challenging, re-defining, expanding or diversifying it are vital at this level and should be added to the list. And all writers who are more influential, or at least as influential as J. K. Rowling, e.g. Terry Pratchett, should be vital and included in the list as well. What do you think?-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 12:08, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
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I have a more generic question about the balance between different groups. It appears to me that the “Philosophers, historians, political and social scientists (153 articles)” as a group is under-represented compared to “Musicians and composers (171 articles)”. As a result we are missing several vital names in economics / social science front. Even if we balance these 2 groups by giving each group 162 spots each, we get 9 more names in Philosophers, historians, political and social scientists group which would allow the inclusion of vital names like: Peter Drucker, Daniel Kahneman, Philip Kotler, Franco Modigliani, Michael Porter, John Ralston Saul, Amartya Sen, William F. Sharpe, Muhammad Yunus
On the Musician list the below subgroups seem to be over-represented and may be considered for trimming:
- Arman ( Talk) 03:10, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Let me then summarize it in a proposal format. The proposal is to take out 9 names from Musicians and composers (currently 171 articles) and add 9 new articles in Philosophers, historians, political and social scientists (currently 153 articles) category to make both categories balanced at 162 entries each. More specifically I recommend to remove:
And add:
I'm not ready to remove Berlioz or Bruckner. Gershwin and Parker seem also important. Some famous jazz musicians are still missing: Count Basie, Coleman Hawkins, Ella Fitzgerald, Dizzy Gillespie, Thelonious Monk, Ornette Coleman. I would remove Vangelis first. -- Thi ( talk) 09:21, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
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Let us first poll the notion: The group "Philosophers, historians, political and social scientists ( currently 153 articles)” should be balanced to “Musicians and composers (currently 171 articles)" in a way to make these groups equally represented.
If this poll gathers sufficient positive responses as per norm on this page, we can then have two separate polls for the inclusion and exclusion of the names from the two groups (i.e. 9 topics to be taken out from musician group and 9 topics to be added to the social scientist group.) If we fail to get the positive poll results here, we'll maintain the status quo. Inclusion and exclusion to these lists will still be considered by individual merit of each topic. - Arman ( Talk) 02:16, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
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Film might just be slightly over-represented, considering that film was nonexistent for the majority of human history. Gonzales John ( talk) 17:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Many people may agree with the statement but the proposal is very, very vague. How many is fair number? The general trend over the last few years has been to remove films so the easy pickings are slowly going away. You have to compare it with other sections. Yes music and literature have been around for a longer time but the number of specific musical works from the last 100 years and the number of books from the last 100 years may be similar to the number of films listed in the last 100 years. Gizza ( t)( c) 00:39, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi, my point is that film is relatively unimportant especially when compared to architecture, books, sculptures, etc, all of which are essential to the human race and have been with the human race for quite a longer time than movies. Gonzales John ( talk) 07:54, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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Likewise, highly regarded but hasn't really shaped the medium.
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Now that we have statutory interpretation, is it fair not to include this article, which is closely related to that vital legal topic?
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We already have Creation myth (Level 4) and Deity (Level 3). While not every Creation myth has a Creator deity, the important information about every Creator deity is covered by a Creation myth. I think the overlap is sufficient that we can drop one from the Vital articles list. Additionally, although Creator deities are a common feature in many world religions, they are not always deities that are central to the religion itself (particularly in polytheistic religions).
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Not necessary, loosely connected to English but not used anymore.
Not necessary, loosely connected to English but not used anymore.
If we're under quota pressure one day, we could consider replacing these with History of English but I don't think we're there yet and there's probably many more languages that could be removed before. Gizza ( t)( c) 09:25, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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We have El Niño, why not La Niña as well?
I'd recommend swapping El Niño for El Niño–Southern Oscillation, which covers both phases of this weather cycle. Cobblet ( talk) 21:36, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
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Some of Vaughan Williams's works are among the most popular pieces of classical music by British composer. [4] He was important for development of British music and one of the most notable symphonists of 20th century. [5] [6] [7] [8] I found him on my paper encyclopedia, which consists of 5000 articles.
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The 11th century Kathasaritsagara is significantly more famous and influential than the 8th century Dashakumaracharita. Kathasaritsagara also contains early recensions of the Panchatantra in Book 10; and the Vetālapañcaviṃśati, or Baital Pachisi, in Book 12. Even Baital Pachisi itself seems to be more notable than Dashakumaracharita and has generated greater number of derivative works. The inclusion of Dashakumaracharita over such more notable works is very surprising - current article on Sanskrit literature does not even mention Dashakumaracharita.
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I suggest swapping the author for the book. In 2014 poll Gone with the Wind was the second favorite book of American readers and it has sold more than 30 million copies worldwide.
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There are many other classic rock albums. Listing The Beach Boys is enough.
Pet Sounds] is widely considered to be one of the most influential albums in music history ... [it] is regarded by musicologists as an early concept album that advanced the field of music production, introducing non-standard harmonies and timbres, and incorporating elements of pop, jazz, exotica, classical, and the avant-garde. ... the album signaled an aesthetic trend within rock by transforming it from dance music into music that was made for listening to ... [bringing] expansions in harmony, instrumentation (and therefore timbre), duration, rhythm, and the use of recording technology.
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Like Dr Strangelove, La Dolce Vita and Intolerance, Kurosawa's signature piece is The Seven Samurai.
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It's an ancient and mostly secular Iranian festival that is celebrated by more than 300 million people, from Syria to China, for over 3,000 years. Also, it has been registered on the UNESCO List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity. -- Kouhi ( talk) 01:17, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Also Nowruz's range of celebration goes further west of Syria, up to parts of Turkey. Gizza ( t)( c) 10:24, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
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James McNeill Whistler was one of most important and influential American painters.
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The fact that he redefined and expanded the genre of military fiction, making many people able to publish such books who had previously been unable to do so (retold from [9]) means that he is absolutely vital at this level. Not listing such an influential figure is a huge mistake.
I had proposed to add it to the list, however later it got failed due to insufficient supportive votes(cf. Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Expanded/Archive_36#Add_Tom_Clancy).-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 17:55, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
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One of the greatest British composers.
Elgar can at least be said to have led a renaissance of British music, and on an English-language list maybe that's enough to put him ahead of people like Scriabin or Grieg. Meanwhile, the decision to include Gilbert & Sullivan over Weber or Donizetti, or Britten ahead of anyone from Spain or Latin America, can perhaps only be rationalized by this being a list for the English Wikipedia. IMO that's plenty of deference to British composers. Cobblet ( talk) 08:48, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
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A famous Danish composer. Mentioned in my 5000-article encyclopedia.
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The fact that Herbart founded pedagogy as an academic discipline means that he is absolutely crucial at this level. Omitting him is a serious mistake.
The fact that he founed the concept of kindergarten and coined this word in both German and English means that he is vital at this level. Omitting him is a serious mistake.
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Been bandied about from time to time. Very influential man in the realm of social activism. We've got very little for religious leaders of any religion from sub-Saharan Africa. p b p 16:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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At present, Christian religious leaders are subdivided into "Eastern/Orthodox" and "Western/Catholic". However, both sections include people prominent before the Schism (people from Western and Central Europe listed under Western/Catholic; people from Eastern Europe and the Middle East listed under Eastern/Orthodox). I propose that the people active before the schism from both East and West be pulled out into a new section entitled "pre-Schism". I also propose that the first 8 people listed under Christianity be categorized as "New Testament figures" p b p 16:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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Known for his pioneering work on game theory. His lifelong struggle with mental illness and the famous Hollywood movie depicting his life has made him a legend.
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Largest city in Oceania outside of Australia and New Zealand. Metro population of almost 1 million.
Honolulu is definitely not the next American city I would add to the list; that would be Baltimore. (Of the 50 biggest metropolitan areas in the Americas, Baltimore and the Inland Empire are the only ones not on our list.) The US Census Bureau defines Honolulu's metro area as essentially coextensive with the entire island of Oahu, which is home to two-thirds of Hawaii's population. Note that we currently don't include capital cities that contain most of their country's population, and some of these are more populous than Honolulu ( Kuwait City, Doha). Cobblet ( talk) 21:53, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
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There's too much overlap to have both UEFA and UEFA Champions League, but would a swap be a good idea? -- Iamozy ( talk) 14:37, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
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I think that Tetris is a good example of old video games and this article is probably not as vital as History of video games (not listed). Games are some kind of toys and for example Barbie was removed.
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Barbie is a cultural icon around the world. Its introduction was transformative in the toy industry in terms of advertising and name recognition. It is estimated that over a billion Barbie dolls have been sold worldwide in over 150 countries, with Mattel claiming that three Barbie dolls are sold every second. It is the most prominent figure in the world of toy fashion, and has even crossed into the world of high fashion. Barbie has been the subject of sociological study and countless controversies/lawsuits and media projects (film, TV, video games, music, studio art).
I know that Barbie was removed 3 years ago with the claim that it overlaps too much with Doll, already a vital article, but Barbie is much more than a doll, and it's importance far surpasses that of a simple toy. Note that there are 79 Wikipedia pages in the Barbie category alone. -- Iamozy ( talk) 18:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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The fact that this model construction system is quite popular, influencing the careers many people chose guarantees its vitality.
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Seems to me if we are discussing who the most vital NASCAR driver is, or whether 14 tennis players or 5 F1 drivers is too many, an article like Bandy is probably vital. Article says it is the second most played/practiced winter sport in the world, after ice hockey. It is played across many countries in Europe, Asia and North America, it has existed since the 1800's, with similar games being played in Russia as far back as the 10th century. It's is played within several leagues/events of its own and also in the Asian Games, is gaining recognition in the Olympics, but has not been included yet. Carl wev 11:59, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
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Universal activity that is critical for normal human physical, mental, and social development. Play has a role in everyday life in childhood, adolescence, adulthood, and seniority. It can be incorporated to home and work life, and is often used as therapy. It has also been observed in animals.
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Basic concept of business; surprised not on the list.
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The autism spectrum is used to describe the range of symptoms that include those previously diagnosed as Asperger syndrome, PDD-NOS, childhood disintegrative disorder and autistic disorder. The DSM-5 in 2013 canceled autism disorder as a separate diagnosis and homogenized it under autism spectrum disorder, with severity measures within the broader diagnosis. The DSM-5 text states “Individuals with a well-established DSM-IV diagnoses of autistic disorder, Asperger’s disorder, or pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified should be given the diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder”.
These changes were made to increase diagnosis precision. Therefore, it would be most accurate to indicate the vitality of autism and all related disorders under the "Autism spectrum" article.
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Covers both El Niño and La Niña. The El Niño–Southern Oscillation is a single climate phenomenon that periodically fluctuates between 3 phases: Neutral, La Niña or El Niño. The swap would cover the vitality of both weather phenomenons and the accompanying atmospheric component.
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Steve Wozniak is currently in the Computer scientists section. However, Wozniak made few contributions to computer science (which covers topics such as algorithms, foundations of computing, machine learning, etc.). Wozniak instead spearheaded personal computing, so Inventors and engineers would be a better-fitting title. — Esquivalience ( talk) 01:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
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The father of metaphysical painting and a major influence on the Surrealist movement.
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This American artist is known worldwide as the painter of urban loneliness. [10]
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North American writer to replace Margaret Mitchell. Novelist Jonathan Franzen wrote once that Munro "has a strong claim to being the best fiction writer now working in North America."
I would support adding Gertrude Stein. In terms of female writers, there are a number of Native American women writers that are excellent, like Leslie Marmon Silko. We need to cut down the emphasis on technology to make room for more shakers and movers like these. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 05:08, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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Since his books are as influential as, maybe more influential than Robert A. Heinlein, and his SF books are of extremely high level, this person should be added to the list.
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Since his books are of high level and extremely popular among adults, he should be added to the list.
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An influential composer, vital article in general encyclopedia.
Yes, an important pioneer of Romanticism in German music, and someone I've considered adding for a long time. On the other hand, we already list several other German composers of the Romantic period. Compare our coverage of Romantic art and literature: German romanticism in art is completely unrepresented (if push came to shove I'd take Caspar David Friedrich over Anton Bruckner) and pioneering figures in literary romanticism like Chateaubriand and Germaine de Staël are IMO more important omissions than Weber. Honestly, 19th and 20th-century classical music is already more comprehensively covered than the other arts of the time. Cobblet ( talk) 18:16, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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An influential baroque composer.
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American puppeteer, artist, cartoonist, inventor, screenwriter, songwriter, musician, film director, and producer. Created The Muppets and Sesame Street, which ran 20+ years. Founded The Jim Henson Company (entertainment company), the Jim Henson Foundation (art philanthropy), and Jim Henson's Creature Shop (special/visual effects workshop). Henson's Muppets have been in wide-release films, TV shows, video games, theme parks, comics, web series, music, and featured as actual celebrities on talk shows. Henson created The Dark Crystal and Labyrinth, and Sesame Street international co-productions outside the US. In 2001, there were more than 120 million viewers of all international versions of Sesame Street, and by 2009 they were seen in more than 140 countries.
Henson's characters have been culturally significant, including an HIV-positive character, incorporating traditional sceneries and puppets in foreign productions, and publicly-supported in many countries to combat illiteracy and expose children to different cultures. Shows were aired in Israel and Palestine, China, South America, Africa, and 22 Arabic countries, and characters were often given traditional names and appealed to a regional sense of identity. The influence of these programs were the subject of many scientific studies that reported an increase in viewers' understanding and knowledge in all areas, especially information about their social and natural environment.
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The story of the first circumnavigation of the Earth is told in the article of Ferdinand Magellan.
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Founder of the Unification Church I kind of feel like we need an Asian Christians on this list. Prominent, though highly controversial, figure. p b p 16:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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One of the 20th century's most important mathematicians.
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Michael Phelps just broke his record for most individual titles over multiple (4) Olympics. I don't quite think he qualifies for this list, but i think its worth mentioning that possibly the oldest sports record has just been broken. Leonidas seems to have upset the apple cart in his own time, as Phelps is now. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 04:00, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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NASCAR or stock car racing isn't represented at all (AJ Foyt doesn't count). Arguably the most famous stock car racer of all time, legacy is clear in his career as a seven-time champion and his death and the significant safety changes that happened because of it.
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Discussion Comment Stock car racing is fairly much limited to the USA (and to some extent Canada). In the few other countries it is done, it is not considered anywhere near the most important racing class as far as I can see. Formula1 is to some extent (and tennis is definitively (and also a sports with both male and female contestant)) a more important sports in the global context. That said, we might indeed consider whether motorsports (as that should be the larger category) is served best by 5 formula 1 drivers and 1 driver who did many US dominated forms of motorsports (AJ Foyt and this includes stock car). I could imagine that we either expand the section and/or remove space allotment to F1 drivers). However, adding a driver who has competed in non-global/US dominated disciplines would not have my preference. Perhaps we should look for someone like Valentino Rossi who is generally considered to be the greatest motorcycle racer of all times. Arnoutf ( talk) 07:55, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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There is too many Formula One drivers on the list.
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13 tennis players is too many.
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Per above discussion on Earnhardt, consensus seems to add Petty as the NASCAR representative on the list.
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The most famous book of Kenneth Grahame. "The evergreen tale from the riverbank and a powerful contribution to the mythology of Edwardian England. -- Endlessly recycled, in print, cartoon and cinema, the ideas and images of Kenneth Grahame's masterpiece recur in the most unlikely places." ( The Guardian) [11] [12].
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Rap music is currently represented only by Tupac Shakur. Public Enemy [13] has released only few notable albums, but It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back was very influential. In many rock magazines it has been voted as one of the greatest albums of all time.
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Highly regarded, as many films are, but I don't think it's been as influence as some of the other films on the list and it isn't as revered as much as something like Solaris (1972 film).
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Brilliant film, one of my favourites, but it simply hasn't shaped the medium on the same scale that something like 2001: A Space Odyssey has. If we were recommending films to watch I would include it (probably more so than 2001), but I would stop short of calling it essential.
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Since nowadays cinema of Russian Federation and Hong Kong cinema (especially action films) are influential in the West, and cinema of India is the parent article of Bollywood, all three article should be added to the list.
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We have butter but not cream, which is illogical since cream has been frequently consumed as well.
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There doesn't seem to be consensus to add varieties of coffee, ice cream or soda to this list, but do we feel the same way about varieties of beer and wine? I'm nominating what I consider the most widely-known variety of wine to test this.
With the removal of lemonade and energy drink, 13 of the 20 drink articles listed are related to alcohol, which is already very high. Alcohol seems over-represented compared to non-alcoholic drinks and other recreational drugs. Is champagne any more vital than cappuccino, green tea, cigar, cocaine, MDMA or hookah? Gizza ( t)( c) 01:52, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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Second (NPB) and sixth-largest (Bundesliga) leagues by attendance (more than La Liga, UEFA Champions League or either auto racing league). Additionally, Germany and Japan are traditionally major powers in their respective sports (association football and baseball).
Attendance figures might not be the best way to compare the popularity of different leagues – that's constrained by the size of the stadium/venue. TV/broadcast audience would be a better measure but global statistics for each sport are not so easy to come by. Cobblet ( talk) 22:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
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Though this article was removed from the list without any opposition (cf. Wikipedia talk:Vital_articles/Expanded/Archive_17#Remove_G.I._Joe), this removal was no sensible since the rationale "Unknown outside the US." was no true, as some television series and movies based on G.I. Joe are widely known outside the U.S., e.g. G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (1985 TV series).-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 03:14, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
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I thought we'd discussed this at one point but I can't find it in the archives. Event was held for centuries and presaged the Modern Olympics (and most other athletic competitions). p b p 05:39, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
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Important concept in economics
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I prefer general articles about journalism ( History of American journalism).
Johnny Carson is listed.
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Rejected theory, not supported by empirical data.
What suggests that Oedipus complex is a vital piece of information for an encyclopedia to cover? I don't think there really is a sound case that this theory shaped literature. What historical/societal influence are you talking about? Besides, there is far too much overlap if Freud and psychoanalysis are already in the list. -- Iamozy ( talk) 03:07, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
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National animal of the United States, probably better-known than golden eagle (though I would argue to keep that article).
See Golden eagles in human culture. The golden eagle is arguably the only bird of prey that's culturally significant on a global scale. If the American flag or anthem or the White House aren't vital articles, being the national animal isn't a terribly convincing argument for vitality either. Compare Andean condor or African fish eagle which are culturally significant to the continents they live in, but are also not quite as globally notable as the golden eagle. (If I had to add another bird of prey to the list the Andean condor would probably be it – it's not a second eagle, and apart from its cultural significance, it's also known for being the heaviest bird capable of flight.) Cobblet ( talk) 21:52, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
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Extinct bovine, we list extinct mammals, mammoth and smilodon, (and previously the mastodon), they may be more well known, but they probably had less impact on early humans than the aurochs, the mammoth was hunted by early humans, but the smilodon was probably not overly significant compared to many other recently extinct megafauna. We also list Archaeopteryx interesting to evolution, and the dodo, the extinction posterboy, plus several dinosaurs. Three species of Aurochs are recognised, the longest survivng only went extinct in the 1600s in Europe but was previously widespread across temperate and Mediterranean Eurasia and North Africa. Used by humans for thousands of years since neolithic times until the Renaissance, one of the first animals to be domesticated in both Europe and Asia, some Taxonomists consider domesticated cattle a subspecies of the wild aurochs, some consider it a separate species, but it's agreed they are the ancestor of the modern domestic cattle, meaning they are hugely significant to early humans and the dircetion they went in. If we list several extinct animals and several interesting domestic animal breeds/types, the aurochs probably deserves a place, as its use had much more impact on human history, than recent dog breeds or the smilodon.
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While doing some archival work, I noticed that there was a proposal made once to remove the subway systems of Moscow, Paris, New York, and Tokyo: see here. The original proposal did not pass, but Paris and Tokyo were later (rightfully) removed.
That being said, in the original proposal there were 4 opposes: 2 based on, in one user's words, the fact that these subways were "very important parts in the development of their respective cities", 1 simply opposed to a bulk removal, and 1 with no explanation. However, both of the first two commented that the NYC subway was the more vital of the four proposed, and one supporter also only gave weak support to removing the NYC subway. As the original proposer said, "we don't need to list five rapid transit networks when no road network and only one railway is listed", and the latter facts are still the case.
Based on that evidence and skimming through the articles on both rapid transit and the Moscow Metro itself, I have concluded that Moscow Metro is not worthy of inclusion IMO.
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We currently list the London Underground and New York City Subway, but we're totally ignoring Asia. The Shanghai Metro has the second-highest number of stations (second only to NYC), it is the longest subway system in the world, and the second-highest ridership in the world, second only to the Beijing Subway. The Beijing Subway has the third highest number of stations, and it is the second-longest subway system in the world. Both of these lines are incredibly important in the recent urbanization of China.
So why do we list the London Underground as a vital article? It's not even in the world's top 10 busiest subway systems. This looks too much like Western bias to me. -- Iamozy ( talk) 14:55, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
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A frequently used research method.
I had proposed to add it before, however later it got failed (cf. Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Expanded/Archive_37#Add_meta-analysis).-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 09:34, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
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Only one hip hop representative? Arguably one of the top 2-3 most influential acts in the history of hip-hop. Achievements speak for themselves.
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A successful businessman and billionaire, but probably not crucial in this list.
I would like to finally close this as passed, it's been open for almost 3 months, and it's actually been in a passable state more than once in that time, and could have been closed as passed. (I could have closed it as passed at the time of my support vote, but so could a few people and I'm as lazy and busy as the next person.) The last user who voted, Leuxa, only opened an account two and a half hours before voting here, which was the user's fourth edit out of six in total at the moment, all of them minor [14]. Doesn't necessarily mean anything in itself, but looks a bit odd. The user is voting the same as I am, so I could just leave it and pass the thread if I was selfish, but I thought I would bring it up, as it was discussed before. Is anyone bothered by this? Carl wev 09:00, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
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Xi Jinping is the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China.
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Semi-mystical figure in which little was written about, Moctezuma I and Moctezuma II can cover that era in Mexican history, as there is more information written on them, even if they came later.
There just doesn't seem like there is that much information available on this person. His impact on history is unclear, and some even question his actual existence, making him a semi legendary/mythological figure. He is not the same level as mythological figures included like Robin Hood, or King Arthur. Or missing ones like William Tell. We have added Aztec, Inca, Mayan and Andean Civilizations to the 1000 list. To this list we added Quechua People a little while ago. I would prefer articles like this to represent the Americas. Other missing articles I like the look of more are Tenochtitlan, Toltec/ Toltec Empire, Settlement of the Americas, Clovis culture, Mixtec, Nazca culture. Articles on sites, peoples, cultures, cities, civilizations, eras exist and could be more vital. Carl wev 16:02, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
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Lafayette was a key figure to American War of Independence, French Revolution and July Revolution. He was an exponent of human rights and civic nationalism.
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The 12th most populous nation on Earth with over 100 million people. As the term Philippines refers to the islands in general the history goes back as far as they have been inhabited over 65,000 years ago. Ruled by several different kingdoms and empires up until the 1500s followed by three centuries of Spanish rule, a revolution, then a war with the US followed by about 50 years of American rule, was involved in the Second World War, then independence. We list the three main regions of the Philippines, four cities, two presidents, Corazon Aquino and Ferdinand Marcos in addition to the article about the Philippine Revolution and Philippine–American War. It seems to me the overview article about the nation/islands's history is at least deserving as some other nations we already include. The nation, has always been present in the 1000 list. The history article has between 1000 and 3000 daily pageviews, averaging at 1500, which is more than Aquino, US-Philippine War, and the revolution articles. (view), but less than Marcos.
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One of the biggest scandals in modern times, it fractioned French politics for 15 years and left a significant impact on European politics and Zionism well into the 20th century. Key scandal that helped introduce the topic of antisemitism as a global topic, when it was mostly ignored previously, and still highly studied and written about, 120 years after the event occurred. Dreyfus_affair#Consequences_of_the_Dreyfus_Affair gives a good reason why this topic is vital.
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I noticed we don't usually list individual battles and events from war but this should be an exception. One of the most controversial military actions in history. Still the main rift in diplomatic relations between China and Japan. One of the main topics in Japanese nationalism (which also should be listed, considering how that directly led to World War II in Asia). Legacy is clear.
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Major event in the American Indian wars, but we already have American Indian Wars listed. We don't list the Battle of Gettysburg for the same reason, and that has a better claim for this list.
attempted removing this before. Also, we have Sitting Bull. We don't have Sioux or Lakota people. I think Sioux would be a good addition. I think someone mentioned that Sioux is not one group but an umbrella term of several peoples of one area, like it was a bad thing, a reason to not include it. But then we have other such terms like Adivasi or even Inuit or Indigenous Americans are all said to be umbrella terms for numerous peoples of a similar cultures and area too. In history there are more umbrella such terms like Celts, and more. Carl wev 18:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
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Article states the city was the largest in the whole Pre-Columbian Americas at it's peak, very significant city to the Aztecs, their capital in fact for 200 years. As significant if not more than only 3 historical American cities we have Teotihuacan, Tikal, Tiwanaku. We may remove Eight Deer Jaguar Claw again, and there is a view that Pre-Colombian America is under presented.
There are several historical cultures/cities in the Americas and elsewhere on my mind, that I am not as sure of. Kanem Empire, Clovis culture, Nazca culture, Pandyan dynasty, Ethiopian Empire, Goguryeo, Toltec, and several more, what do people think of any of these? Carl wev 10:26, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
(Yes it's inhabited today, but we list Timbuktu in historical cities, which is also a still inhabited city, but is much more significant historically). Jericho is often said to be the oldest continually inhabited settlement in the world, or at least a top contender, with over 20 successive settlements discovered going back to 9600 B.C. It is believed it may be the city with the oldest known protective wall in the world and was thought to have the oldest stone tower in the world too. One of the most significant historical cities, with history in the Holocene, Neolithic, Bronze Age, Iron Age, Hellenistic, Roman, Persian, Byzantine and Ottoman periods.
Agree, Çatalhöyük was also in my to do list, but I had forgotten about it. Carl wev 12:17, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
One of the most significant and known neolithic sites, or "proto-city" as it has been called. Good example of early human settlement. It appears as stand alone page/article/topic in several history books I have, even some that cover whole world history. May have been the largest settlement in the world at on time, if not one of the biggest, according to List of largest cities throughout history.
Tell Brak and especially Uruk look significant too. Carl wev 12:22, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
We have historical cities from most other parts of the world, why not the United States? Generally regarded as one of the largest pre-Columbian settlements in the United States. (FWIW, I've been considering nominating this for some time). p b p 13:32, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
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Term that was coined within the past 20 years and not widely used yet. Was added with no discussion when the list was first created years ago. Article doesn't explain its vitality, mostly original research. Such a niche topic should have a discussion at least.
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Surprised bedding is on the list, but mattress is not. We already bed however, so bedding should be removed anyways if we decide against adding mattress.
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The age of consent varies from country to country.
Is this more important then? Or is this the best article to have compared to potential others, including for example: Age of majority, The age of criminal responsibility, Emancipation of minors, Voting age, Legal drinking age, Sexual abuse, Child sexual abuse, Child abuse, Consent (criminal law), Consent among others? Carl wev 06:54, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
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Vital economics concept with a significant global history, still relevant in today's culture.
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Yes it is a top university in the United States, but not ranked among the top 10 or 20 in the country. I also don't see how this university is considered as "vital" as other universities not listed in the United States with a similar reputation, such as University of Wisconsin, Georgetown University or New York University, the last two have a better claim on the list.
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Now that Russia and China are becoming influential, these articles are no doubt as vital as NATO and European Union.
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Mesoamerica was one of the very few sites in the world where writing was invented independently with no contact from other civilizations. The Maya script is nowadays as important to archaeologists as Egyptian hieroglyphs and cuneiform, both of which are listed. I also think it's more vital than Devanagari for instance (keeping in mind that Brahmic scripts is included as well).
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Important topic in the world today.
Partially covered by slavery, however I still think it's important enough considering what's listed elsewhere like biographies. Carl wev 15:13, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
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Key ecology concept, I can see this fit in the 1000 vital articles list, so i'm astonished it's not in the 10000 at least.
Population density, and world population are also interesting, but they may not be needed. Carl wev 09:18, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
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Surprised this isn't on the list, most common and well-known skin disorder.
Very very common, the only thing this is guilty of, is not being a serious condition, but I don't think that's a reason to not have it. The common cold and allergy are listed in the 1000 and are normally not serious. Carl wev 18:37, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
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Open clusters and globular clusters are already covered by stellar cluster. This is pretty redundant, whereas Scientific modelling and physical law are something quite primordial to physical sciences. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 21:17, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
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With the confirmation of their existence, this has huge implications for astronomy and relativity in general.
Anyone like the idea of wind wave? I suppose we have tide though. Carl wev 15:52, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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We list global warming here and in the 1000 list too, that article covers recent man made warming. Climate change covers man made and natural, present changes, and changes in the recent and far back history. Covering changes in human prehistory, ice ages and warm periods, to changes millions of years ago, with a number of causes, like sun activity, volcanoes, differences in orbit cycles, among others and caused by biological life processes, and it's effects on lifeforms. Significant to natural history, geology, biology, early/prehistory and modern day issues too. It does have information on recent human impact too, but only in one of many sections.
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The most important German Romantic painter. He is called as the Europe's first truly modern artist and his works are very famous.
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Modigliani is famous for his original portraits.
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One of the greatest abstract artists of the twentieth century. [15] [16].
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Great Russian artist who made some iconic paintings, such as Barge Haulers on the Volga and Cossacks Writing a Letter to the Turkish Sultan. [17].
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This important French writer pioneered a new concept of the novel. [18].
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One of the most important composers of 20th century.
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Five F1 drivers is too many.
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Isn't he at least as important as dale, aj, richard and jackie? im not a big auto race fan, but his name seems the most iconic to me, at least. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 04:05, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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The legacy of the 1976 Tangshan earthquake is unclear. Yes it was a deadly earthquake, but China at the time wasn't really a "developed country", and many of its buildings was of shoddy construction, so that kind of natural disaster was bound to happen. It was a conscience that it happened towards the end of Mao's regime. The article claims it helped cause the end of the Cultural Revolution (without a citation), but the Cultural Revolution was near its end by the time the event hit, and for other causes. As for 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, 2nd-4th deadliest natural disaster (depends on the rank) in global history, and an event that impacted a number of countries, instead of one. Very similar to both 1970 Bhola cyclone and 1931 China floods are listed, and both of those have more unclear death tolls and global impact. Biggest humanitarian event for a natural disaster in history, and impacted the economy of several countries for years. I would consider that storm to be more vital than Bhola, Tangshan and the floods.
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I can't seem to find a reason why this topic is vital at all. We already have collecting, we don't need to go to specifics as we are only limited to 10,000 articles and the study of stamps is too niche of a topic.
It's collecting and/or studying stamps. From a collecting point of view, many things can be collected, we have collecting itself, and we also have postage stamp as well. From a study point of view, many things can be studied too, and some have significant articles about said study, which seem more important than stamps. Many topics that are in the level 3 vital 1000 do not have their study article listed here. Just two examples of many, Fish and Bird are in the vital 1000, but we do not list Ichthyology or Ornithology here, and those topics seem more vital than philately. In fact we voted to remove ornithology a long time ago, as it once included, but wasn't wanted either. There may be level 2 vital 100 topics that do not have their study listed here either, I haven't checked a lot, but musicology and Religious studies are not here either. Carl wev 09:13, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
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We already have University of California, Berkeley which is ranked as the top public university in the United States. This one is not as prestigious, and from the same regional area that Berkley can easily cover. As I mentioned above. We are over quota in this area, with other topics such as economics has been mostly ignored.
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Both are absolutely vital at this level, however neither of them is included in the list.
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Our space section has nothing on Mars exploration currently. Rather than picking a single mission, I think an overview article is most appropriate. Jclemens ( talk) 05:22, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
There are other articles of a similar nature, Exploration of the Moon (covered by other articles I know), Exploration of Jupiter, Discovery and exploration of the Solar System, or closer to home Exploration of the Pacific, Deep-sea exploration, Exploration of North America, Exploration of Africa. But that being said, I think this overview is reasonable considering what we devote to the Moon landings. (I have also been thinking about plain Exploration for lev 3, seeing as we list Space exploration and a list of explorers there? Exploration is in bad shape, but improving is the main reason for adding articles, exploration pretty vital concept, it could be a good article.) Carl wev 09:40, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
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I'm somewhat baffled by the omission of Ted Hughes from this list. He is regarded as one of the most important 20th century poets and arguably the most important British poet of the latter half of the twentieth century. He played a pivotal role in the development of modern poetry. There are a number of other surprising omissions, particularly Seamus Heaney and T.S. Eliot, but the lack of inclusion of Ted Hughes is, for me, the strangest.
T. S. Eliot is on the list. [19]. -- Thi ( talk) 08:13, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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The fact that he created the sword and sorcery genre and Conan the Barbarian, a fictional hero means that he is absolutely crucial at this level.
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Founded the Millernite movement, which is the direct forerunner of the highly-influential Adventist movement. Several religious movements, including the Bahá'í Faith and Seventh-day Adventist Church (18 million + members), can trace their roots to him and his teachings.
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Latin music seems to be underrepresented, most famous tango musician of all-time.
Nothing on Mexican music, the most popular kind of Latin music. Probably the biggest icon in that field.
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As Australia's longest-serving PM (serving for eighteen years), I think that Menzies probably had more of an impact on Australia than Curtin. Menzies even was considered a possible replacement for Winston Churchill.
Search for Menzies or Curtin in the archives. We've discussed this before. Cobblet ( talk) 01:17, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
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The fact that it is the largest independent city in the United States guarantees its vitality at this level.
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This list needs to be more balanced in region. The lack of this article evidently demonstrates the problem.
European architecture & Asian architecture are currently redirects, however there's an independent article on African architecture. Also African architecture is, to Malerisch's mind, vital (cf. Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Expanded/Archive_36#Add_Ancient_Roman_architecture)-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 03:27, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
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Like I said above, I actually like this film. How can you not fall in love with 16 Going on 17, but including it on this list is a joke.
OTOH, that is a valuable perspective to have, and one that is sorely missing from so many of the discussions on this page. Here and elsewhere on the list, I think one has to strike a balance between what is well-known to the public and what is important to specialists in the field. Wikipedia is used by both kinds of people. Cobblet ( talk) 17:13, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
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Might as well open this since two others have suggested the swap with Yahweh.
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There is now only one writer from Australia, Banjo Paterson. Patrick White is "widely regarded as one of the most important English-language novelists of the 20th century" and he was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1973.
There are more important Australian Nobel laureates missing like Howard Florey. Also J. M. Coetzee who is now an Australian citizen is listed. Gizza ( t)( c) 03:01, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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The fact that he is now considered to be one of the most significant 20th century writers in horror fiction guarantees his vitality.
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The facts that this person was instrumental in Civil Rights Movement and contributed substantially to the autobiography genre by deliberately attempting to challenge the common structure of the autobiography by critiquing, altering, and expanding the genre guarantee her vitality. Adding her also reduces the list's racial and gender biases.
This will be my last edit to this page unless that disgusting racial slur is removed from the nominator's comments. We have tolerated this user's ignorance until now but this is a new low. Cobblet ( talk) 18:22, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
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There is now 26 psychologists on the list. Daniel Kahneman is probably the next to be added. Hull, a behaviourist psychologist, is important as a historical figure, but his theories are currently out of fashion.
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From the Legacy section of the article I clearly know that the article is no doubt crucial at this level.
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One of the first notable social activists of any kind. Her advocacy and recommendations for prison reform were influential throughout Europe; she also worked to improve the plight of the sick, the insane and the homeless in Englnad.
FWIW, she's also been on the 5-pound note since 2002, although a new bill featuring Churchill is coming out later this year. Cobblet ( talk) 18:35, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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There are many famous soul songs (like "Respect" on the list), but What's Going On is also as a theme album, soul music's first "art" album. It has been voted as one of the greatest albums of all time, just like Sgt. Pepper.
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An influential film of the French New wave, so essential for discussing the French New wave, but a vital film topic? We don't have Bonnie and Clyde (New Hollywood). We don't have Room at the Top (Brit New Wave).
In the same boat as Dr Strangelove: a key work of 60s film, but not as revered and as influential as Fellini's 8½.
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Basic human activity.
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One of the most important representatives of surrealism. [3].
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I had proposed to add Tom Clancy, but no one sanctioned my proposal. I think it's weird since Tom Clancy has contributed significantly to military fiction by re-defining and expanding it, he should be vital at this level. In fact, all writers who have contributed substantially to a particular literary genre/format, e.g. by making it much more popular to readers, making more later writers willing to publish such books/works, challenging, re-defining, expanding or diversifying it are vital at this level and should be added to the list. And all writers who are more influential, or at least as influential as J. K. Rowling, e.g. Terry Pratchett, should be vital and included in the list as well. What do you think?-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 12:08, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
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I have a more generic question about the balance between different groups. It appears to me that the “Philosophers, historians, political and social scientists (153 articles)” as a group is under-represented compared to “Musicians and composers (171 articles)”. As a result we are missing several vital names in economics / social science front. Even if we balance these 2 groups by giving each group 162 spots each, we get 9 more names in Philosophers, historians, political and social scientists group which would allow the inclusion of vital names like: Peter Drucker, Daniel Kahneman, Philip Kotler, Franco Modigliani, Michael Porter, John Ralston Saul, Amartya Sen, William F. Sharpe, Muhammad Yunus
On the Musician list the below subgroups seem to be over-represented and may be considered for trimming:
- Arman ( Talk) 03:10, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Let me then summarize it in a proposal format. The proposal is to take out 9 names from Musicians and composers (currently 171 articles) and add 9 new articles in Philosophers, historians, political and social scientists (currently 153 articles) category to make both categories balanced at 162 entries each. More specifically I recommend to remove:
And add:
I'm not ready to remove Berlioz or Bruckner. Gershwin and Parker seem also important. Some famous jazz musicians are still missing: Count Basie, Coleman Hawkins, Ella Fitzgerald, Dizzy Gillespie, Thelonious Monk, Ornette Coleman. I would remove Vangelis first. -- Thi ( talk) 09:21, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
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Let us first poll the notion: The group "Philosophers, historians, political and social scientists ( currently 153 articles)” should be balanced to “Musicians and composers (currently 171 articles)" in a way to make these groups equally represented.
If this poll gathers sufficient positive responses as per norm on this page, we can then have two separate polls for the inclusion and exclusion of the names from the two groups (i.e. 9 topics to be taken out from musician group and 9 topics to be added to the social scientist group.) If we fail to get the positive poll results here, we'll maintain the status quo. Inclusion and exclusion to these lists will still be considered by individual merit of each topic. - Arman ( Talk) 02:16, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
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Film might just be slightly over-represented, considering that film was nonexistent for the majority of human history. Gonzales John ( talk) 17:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Many people may agree with the statement but the proposal is very, very vague. How many is fair number? The general trend over the last few years has been to remove films so the easy pickings are slowly going away. You have to compare it with other sections. Yes music and literature have been around for a longer time but the number of specific musical works from the last 100 years and the number of books from the last 100 years may be similar to the number of films listed in the last 100 years. Gizza ( t)( c) 00:39, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi, my point is that film is relatively unimportant especially when compared to architecture, books, sculptures, etc, all of which are essential to the human race and have been with the human race for quite a longer time than movies. Gonzales John ( talk) 07:54, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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Likewise, highly regarded but hasn't really shaped the medium.
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Now that we have statutory interpretation, is it fair not to include this article, which is closely related to that vital legal topic?
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We already have Creation myth (Level 4) and Deity (Level 3). While not every Creation myth has a Creator deity, the important information about every Creator deity is covered by a Creation myth. I think the overlap is sufficient that we can drop one from the Vital articles list. Additionally, although Creator deities are a common feature in many world religions, they are not always deities that are central to the religion itself (particularly in polytheistic religions).
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Not necessary, loosely connected to English but not used anymore.
Not necessary, loosely connected to English but not used anymore.
If we're under quota pressure one day, we could consider replacing these with History of English but I don't think we're there yet and there's probably many more languages that could be removed before. Gizza ( t)( c) 09:25, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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We have El Niño, why not La Niña as well?
I'd recommend swapping El Niño for El Niño–Southern Oscillation, which covers both phases of this weather cycle. Cobblet ( talk) 21:36, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
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Some of Vaughan Williams's works are among the most popular pieces of classical music by British composer. [4] He was important for development of British music and one of the most notable symphonists of 20th century. [5] [6] [7] [8] I found him on my paper encyclopedia, which consists of 5000 articles.
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The 11th century Kathasaritsagara is significantly more famous and influential than the 8th century Dashakumaracharita. Kathasaritsagara also contains early recensions of the Panchatantra in Book 10; and the Vetālapañcaviṃśati, or Baital Pachisi, in Book 12. Even Baital Pachisi itself seems to be more notable than Dashakumaracharita and has generated greater number of derivative works. The inclusion of Dashakumaracharita over such more notable works is very surprising - current article on Sanskrit literature does not even mention Dashakumaracharita.
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I suggest swapping the author for the book. In 2014 poll Gone with the Wind was the second favorite book of American readers and it has sold more than 30 million copies worldwide.
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There are many other classic rock albums. Listing The Beach Boys is enough.
Pet Sounds] is widely considered to be one of the most influential albums in music history ... [it] is regarded by musicologists as an early concept album that advanced the field of music production, introducing non-standard harmonies and timbres, and incorporating elements of pop, jazz, exotica, classical, and the avant-garde. ... the album signaled an aesthetic trend within rock by transforming it from dance music into music that was made for listening to ... [bringing] expansions in harmony, instrumentation (and therefore timbre), duration, rhythm, and the use of recording technology.
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Like Dr Strangelove, La Dolce Vita and Intolerance, Kurosawa's signature piece is The Seven Samurai.
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It's an ancient and mostly secular Iranian festival that is celebrated by more than 300 million people, from Syria to China, for over 3,000 years. Also, it has been registered on the UNESCO List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity. -- Kouhi ( talk) 01:17, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Also Nowruz's range of celebration goes further west of Syria, up to parts of Turkey. Gizza ( t)( c) 10:24, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
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James McNeill Whistler was one of most important and influential American painters.
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The fact that he redefined and expanded the genre of military fiction, making many people able to publish such books who had previously been unable to do so (retold from [9]) means that he is absolutely vital at this level. Not listing such an influential figure is a huge mistake.
I had proposed to add it to the list, however later it got failed due to insufficient supportive votes(cf. Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Expanded/Archive_36#Add_Tom_Clancy).-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 17:55, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
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One of the greatest British composers.
Elgar can at least be said to have led a renaissance of British music, and on an English-language list maybe that's enough to put him ahead of people like Scriabin or Grieg. Meanwhile, the decision to include Gilbert & Sullivan over Weber or Donizetti, or Britten ahead of anyone from Spain or Latin America, can perhaps only be rationalized by this being a list for the English Wikipedia. IMO that's plenty of deference to British composers. Cobblet ( talk) 08:48, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
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A famous Danish composer. Mentioned in my 5000-article encyclopedia.
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The fact that Herbart founded pedagogy as an academic discipline means that he is absolutely crucial at this level. Omitting him is a serious mistake.
The fact that he founed the concept of kindergarten and coined this word in both German and English means that he is vital at this level. Omitting him is a serious mistake.
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Been bandied about from time to time. Very influential man in the realm of social activism. We've got very little for religious leaders of any religion from sub-Saharan Africa. p b p 16:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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At present, Christian religious leaders are subdivided into "Eastern/Orthodox" and "Western/Catholic". However, both sections include people prominent before the Schism (people from Western and Central Europe listed under Western/Catholic; people from Eastern Europe and the Middle East listed under Eastern/Orthodox). I propose that the people active before the schism from both East and West be pulled out into a new section entitled "pre-Schism". I also propose that the first 8 people listed under Christianity be categorized as "New Testament figures" p b p 16:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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Known for his pioneering work on game theory. His lifelong struggle with mental illness and the famous Hollywood movie depicting his life has made him a legend.
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Largest city in Oceania outside of Australia and New Zealand. Metro population of almost 1 million.
Honolulu is definitely not the next American city I would add to the list; that would be Baltimore. (Of the 50 biggest metropolitan areas in the Americas, Baltimore and the Inland Empire are the only ones not on our list.) The US Census Bureau defines Honolulu's metro area as essentially coextensive with the entire island of Oahu, which is home to two-thirds of Hawaii's population. Note that we currently don't include capital cities that contain most of their country's population, and some of these are more populous than Honolulu ( Kuwait City, Doha). Cobblet ( talk) 21:53, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
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There's too much overlap to have both UEFA and UEFA Champions League, but would a swap be a good idea? -- Iamozy ( talk) 14:37, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
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I think that Tetris is a good example of old video games and this article is probably not as vital as History of video games (not listed). Games are some kind of toys and for example Barbie was removed.
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Barbie is a cultural icon around the world. Its introduction was transformative in the toy industry in terms of advertising and name recognition. It is estimated that over a billion Barbie dolls have been sold worldwide in over 150 countries, with Mattel claiming that three Barbie dolls are sold every second. It is the most prominent figure in the world of toy fashion, and has even crossed into the world of high fashion. Barbie has been the subject of sociological study and countless controversies/lawsuits and media projects (film, TV, video games, music, studio art).
I know that Barbie was removed 3 years ago with the claim that it overlaps too much with Doll, already a vital article, but Barbie is much more than a doll, and it's importance far surpasses that of a simple toy. Note that there are 79 Wikipedia pages in the Barbie category alone. -- Iamozy ( talk) 18:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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The fact that this model construction system is quite popular, influencing the careers many people chose guarantees its vitality.
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Seems to me if we are discussing who the most vital NASCAR driver is, or whether 14 tennis players or 5 F1 drivers is too many, an article like Bandy is probably vital. Article says it is the second most played/practiced winter sport in the world, after ice hockey. It is played across many countries in Europe, Asia and North America, it has existed since the 1800's, with similar games being played in Russia as far back as the 10th century. It's is played within several leagues/events of its own and also in the Asian Games, is gaining recognition in the Olympics, but has not been included yet. Carl wev 11:59, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
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Universal activity that is critical for normal human physical, mental, and social development. Play has a role in everyday life in childhood, adolescence, adulthood, and seniority. It can be incorporated to home and work life, and is often used as therapy. It has also been observed in animals.
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Basic concept of business; surprised not on the list.
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The autism spectrum is used to describe the range of symptoms that include those previously diagnosed as Asperger syndrome, PDD-NOS, childhood disintegrative disorder and autistic disorder. The DSM-5 in 2013 canceled autism disorder as a separate diagnosis and homogenized it under autism spectrum disorder, with severity measures within the broader diagnosis. The DSM-5 text states “Individuals with a well-established DSM-IV diagnoses of autistic disorder, Asperger’s disorder, or pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified should be given the diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder”.
These changes were made to increase diagnosis precision. Therefore, it would be most accurate to indicate the vitality of autism and all related disorders under the "Autism spectrum" article.
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Covers both El Niño and La Niña. The El Niño–Southern Oscillation is a single climate phenomenon that periodically fluctuates between 3 phases: Neutral, La Niña or El Niño. The swap would cover the vitality of both weather phenomenons and the accompanying atmospheric component.
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Steve Wozniak is currently in the Computer scientists section. However, Wozniak made few contributions to computer science (which covers topics such as algorithms, foundations of computing, machine learning, etc.). Wozniak instead spearheaded personal computing, so Inventors and engineers would be a better-fitting title. — Esquivalience ( talk) 01:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
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The father of metaphysical painting and a major influence on the Surrealist movement.
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This American artist is known worldwide as the painter of urban loneliness. [10]
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North American writer to replace Margaret Mitchell. Novelist Jonathan Franzen wrote once that Munro "has a strong claim to being the best fiction writer now working in North America."
I would support adding Gertrude Stein. In terms of female writers, there are a number of Native American women writers that are excellent, like Leslie Marmon Silko. We need to cut down the emphasis on technology to make room for more shakers and movers like these. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 05:08, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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Since his books are as influential as, maybe more influential than Robert A. Heinlein, and his SF books are of extremely high level, this person should be added to the list.
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Since his books are of high level and extremely popular among adults, he should be added to the list.
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An influential composer, vital article in general encyclopedia.
Yes, an important pioneer of Romanticism in German music, and someone I've considered adding for a long time. On the other hand, we already list several other German composers of the Romantic period. Compare our coverage of Romantic art and literature: German romanticism in art is completely unrepresented (if push came to shove I'd take Caspar David Friedrich over Anton Bruckner) and pioneering figures in literary romanticism like Chateaubriand and Germaine de Staël are IMO more important omissions than Weber. Honestly, 19th and 20th-century classical music is already more comprehensively covered than the other arts of the time. Cobblet ( talk) 18:16, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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An influential baroque composer.
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American puppeteer, artist, cartoonist, inventor, screenwriter, songwriter, musician, film director, and producer. Created The Muppets and Sesame Street, which ran 20+ years. Founded The Jim Henson Company (entertainment company), the Jim Henson Foundation (art philanthropy), and Jim Henson's Creature Shop (special/visual effects workshop). Henson's Muppets have been in wide-release films, TV shows, video games, theme parks, comics, web series, music, and featured as actual celebrities on talk shows. Henson created The Dark Crystal and Labyrinth, and Sesame Street international co-productions outside the US. In 2001, there were more than 120 million viewers of all international versions of Sesame Street, and by 2009 they were seen in more than 140 countries.
Henson's characters have been culturally significant, including an HIV-positive character, incorporating traditional sceneries and puppets in foreign productions, and publicly-supported in many countries to combat illiteracy and expose children to different cultures. Shows were aired in Israel and Palestine, China, South America, Africa, and 22 Arabic countries, and characters were often given traditional names and appealed to a regional sense of identity. The influence of these programs were the subject of many scientific studies that reported an increase in viewers' understanding and knowledge in all areas, especially information about their social and natural environment.
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The story of the first circumnavigation of the Earth is told in the article of Ferdinand Magellan.
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Founder of the Unification Church I kind of feel like we need an Asian Christians on this list. Prominent, though highly controversial, figure. p b p 16:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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One of the 20th century's most important mathematicians.
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Michael Phelps just broke his record for most individual titles over multiple (4) Olympics. I don't quite think he qualifies for this list, but i think its worth mentioning that possibly the oldest sports record has just been broken. Leonidas seems to have upset the apple cart in his own time, as Phelps is now. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 04:00, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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NASCAR or stock car racing isn't represented at all (AJ Foyt doesn't count). Arguably the most famous stock car racer of all time, legacy is clear in his career as a seven-time champion and his death and the significant safety changes that happened because of it.
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Discussion Comment Stock car racing is fairly much limited to the USA (and to some extent Canada). In the few other countries it is done, it is not considered anywhere near the most important racing class as far as I can see. Formula1 is to some extent (and tennis is definitively (and also a sports with both male and female contestant)) a more important sports in the global context. That said, we might indeed consider whether motorsports (as that should be the larger category) is served best by 5 formula 1 drivers and 1 driver who did many US dominated forms of motorsports (AJ Foyt and this includes stock car). I could imagine that we either expand the section and/or remove space allotment to F1 drivers). However, adding a driver who has competed in non-global/US dominated disciplines would not have my preference. Perhaps we should look for someone like Valentino Rossi who is generally considered to be the greatest motorcycle racer of all times. Arnoutf ( talk) 07:55, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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There is too many Formula One drivers on the list.
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13 tennis players is too many.
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Per above discussion on Earnhardt, consensus seems to add Petty as the NASCAR representative on the list.
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The most famous book of Kenneth Grahame. "The evergreen tale from the riverbank and a powerful contribution to the mythology of Edwardian England. -- Endlessly recycled, in print, cartoon and cinema, the ideas and images of Kenneth Grahame's masterpiece recur in the most unlikely places." ( The Guardian) [11] [12].
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Rap music is currently represented only by Tupac Shakur. Public Enemy [13] has released only few notable albums, but It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back was very influential. In many rock magazines it has been voted as one of the greatest albums of all time.
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Highly regarded, as many films are, but I don't think it's been as influence as some of the other films on the list and it isn't as revered as much as something like Solaris (1972 film).
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Brilliant film, one of my favourites, but it simply hasn't shaped the medium on the same scale that something like 2001: A Space Odyssey has. If we were recommending films to watch I would include it (probably more so than 2001), but I would stop short of calling it essential.
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Since nowadays cinema of Russian Federation and Hong Kong cinema (especially action films) are influential in the West, and cinema of India is the parent article of Bollywood, all three article should be added to the list.
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We have butter but not cream, which is illogical since cream has been frequently consumed as well.
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There doesn't seem to be consensus to add varieties of coffee, ice cream or soda to this list, but do we feel the same way about varieties of beer and wine? I'm nominating what I consider the most widely-known variety of wine to test this.
With the removal of lemonade and energy drink, 13 of the 20 drink articles listed are related to alcohol, which is already very high. Alcohol seems over-represented compared to non-alcoholic drinks and other recreational drugs. Is champagne any more vital than cappuccino, green tea, cigar, cocaine, MDMA or hookah? Gizza ( t)( c) 01:52, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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Second (NPB) and sixth-largest (Bundesliga) leagues by attendance (more than La Liga, UEFA Champions League or either auto racing league). Additionally, Germany and Japan are traditionally major powers in their respective sports (association football and baseball).
Attendance figures might not be the best way to compare the popularity of different leagues – that's constrained by the size of the stadium/venue. TV/broadcast audience would be a better measure but global statistics for each sport are not so easy to come by. Cobblet ( talk) 22:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
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Though this article was removed from the list without any opposition (cf. Wikipedia talk:Vital_articles/Expanded/Archive_17#Remove_G.I._Joe), this removal was no sensible since the rationale "Unknown outside the US." was no true, as some television series and movies based on G.I. Joe are widely known outside the U.S., e.g. G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (1985 TV series).-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 03:14, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
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I thought we'd discussed this at one point but I can't find it in the archives. Event was held for centuries and presaged the Modern Olympics (and most other athletic competitions). p b p 05:39, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
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Important concept in economics
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I prefer general articles about journalism ( History of American journalism).
Johnny Carson is listed.
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Rejected theory, not supported by empirical data.
What suggests that Oedipus complex is a vital piece of information for an encyclopedia to cover? I don't think there really is a sound case that this theory shaped literature. What historical/societal influence are you talking about? Besides, there is far too much overlap if Freud and psychoanalysis are already in the list. -- Iamozy ( talk) 03:07, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
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National animal of the United States, probably better-known than golden eagle (though I would argue to keep that article).
See Golden eagles in human culture. The golden eagle is arguably the only bird of prey that's culturally significant on a global scale. If the American flag or anthem or the White House aren't vital articles, being the national animal isn't a terribly convincing argument for vitality either. Compare Andean condor or African fish eagle which are culturally significant to the continents they live in, but are also not quite as globally notable as the golden eagle. (If I had to add another bird of prey to the list the Andean condor would probably be it – it's not a second eagle, and apart from its cultural significance, it's also known for being the heaviest bird capable of flight.) Cobblet ( talk) 21:52, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
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Extinct bovine, we list extinct mammals, mammoth and smilodon, (and previously the mastodon), they may be more well known, but they probably had less impact on early humans than the aurochs, the mammoth was hunted by early humans, but the smilodon was probably not overly significant compared to many other recently extinct megafauna. We also list Archaeopteryx interesting to evolution, and the dodo, the extinction posterboy, plus several dinosaurs. Three species of Aurochs are recognised, the longest survivng only went extinct in the 1600s in Europe but was previously widespread across temperate and Mediterranean Eurasia and North Africa. Used by humans for thousands of years since neolithic times until the Renaissance, one of the first animals to be domesticated in both Europe and Asia, some Taxonomists consider domesticated cattle a subspecies of the wild aurochs, some consider it a separate species, but it's agreed they are the ancestor of the modern domestic cattle, meaning they are hugely significant to early humans and the dircetion they went in. If we list several extinct animals and several interesting domestic animal breeds/types, the aurochs probably deserves a place, as its use had much more impact on human history, than recent dog breeds or the smilodon.
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While doing some archival work, I noticed that there was a proposal made once to remove the subway systems of Moscow, Paris, New York, and Tokyo: see here. The original proposal did not pass, but Paris and Tokyo were later (rightfully) removed.
That being said, in the original proposal there were 4 opposes: 2 based on, in one user's words, the fact that these subways were "very important parts in the development of their respective cities", 1 simply opposed to a bulk removal, and 1 with no explanation. However, both of the first two commented that the NYC subway was the more vital of the four proposed, and one supporter also only gave weak support to removing the NYC subway. As the original proposer said, "we don't need to list five rapid transit networks when no road network and only one railway is listed", and the latter facts are still the case.
Based on that evidence and skimming through the articles on both rapid transit and the Moscow Metro itself, I have concluded that Moscow Metro is not worthy of inclusion IMO.
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We currently list the London Underground and New York City Subway, but we're totally ignoring Asia. The Shanghai Metro has the second-highest number of stations (second only to NYC), it is the longest subway system in the world, and the second-highest ridership in the world, second only to the Beijing Subway. The Beijing Subway has the third highest number of stations, and it is the second-longest subway system in the world. Both of these lines are incredibly important in the recent urbanization of China.
So why do we list the London Underground as a vital article? It's not even in the world's top 10 busiest subway systems. This looks too much like Western bias to me. -- Iamozy ( talk) 14:55, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
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A frequently used research method.
I had proposed to add it before, however later it got failed (cf. Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Expanded/Archive_37#Add_meta-analysis).-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 09:34, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
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Only one hip hop representative? Arguably one of the top 2-3 most influential acts in the history of hip-hop. Achievements speak for themselves.
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A successful businessman and billionaire, but probably not crucial in this list.
I would like to finally close this as passed, it's been open for almost 3 months, and it's actually been in a passable state more than once in that time, and could have been closed as passed. (I could have closed it as passed at the time of my support vote, but so could a few people and I'm as lazy and busy as the next person.) The last user who voted, Leuxa, only opened an account two and a half hours before voting here, which was the user's fourth edit out of six in total at the moment, all of them minor [14]. Doesn't necessarily mean anything in itself, but looks a bit odd. The user is voting the same as I am, so I could just leave it and pass the thread if I was selfish, but I thought I would bring it up, as it was discussed before. Is anyone bothered by this? Carl wev 09:00, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
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Xi Jinping is the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China.
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Semi-mystical figure in which little was written about, Moctezuma I and Moctezuma II can cover that era in Mexican history, as there is more information written on them, even if they came later.
There just doesn't seem like there is that much information available on this person. His impact on history is unclear, and some even question his actual existence, making him a semi legendary/mythological figure. He is not the same level as mythological figures included like Robin Hood, or King Arthur. Or missing ones like William Tell. We have added Aztec, Inca, Mayan and Andean Civilizations to the 1000 list. To this list we added Quechua People a little while ago. I would prefer articles like this to represent the Americas. Other missing articles I like the look of more are Tenochtitlan, Toltec/ Toltec Empire, Settlement of the Americas, Clovis culture, Mixtec, Nazca culture. Articles on sites, peoples, cultures, cities, civilizations, eras exist and could be more vital. Carl wev 16:02, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
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Lafayette was a key figure to American War of Independence, French Revolution and July Revolution. He was an exponent of human rights and civic nationalism.
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The 12th most populous nation on Earth with over 100 million people. As the term Philippines refers to the islands in general the history goes back as far as they have been inhabited over 65,000 years ago. Ruled by several different kingdoms and empires up until the 1500s followed by three centuries of Spanish rule, a revolution, then a war with the US followed by about 50 years of American rule, was involved in the Second World War, then independence. We list the three main regions of the Philippines, four cities, two presidents, Corazon Aquino and Ferdinand Marcos in addition to the article about the Philippine Revolution and Philippine–American War. It seems to me the overview article about the nation/islands's history is at least deserving as some other nations we already include. The nation, has always been present in the 1000 list. The history article has between 1000 and 3000 daily pageviews, averaging at 1500, which is more than Aquino, US-Philippine War, and the revolution articles. (view), but less than Marcos.
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One of the biggest scandals in modern times, it fractioned French politics for 15 years and left a significant impact on European politics and Zionism well into the 20th century. Key scandal that helped introduce the topic of antisemitism as a global topic, when it was mostly ignored previously, and still highly studied and written about, 120 years after the event occurred. Dreyfus_affair#Consequences_of_the_Dreyfus_Affair gives a good reason why this topic is vital.
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I noticed we don't usually list individual battles and events from war but this should be an exception. One of the most controversial military actions in history. Still the main rift in diplomatic relations between China and Japan. One of the main topics in Japanese nationalism (which also should be listed, considering how that directly led to World War II in Asia). Legacy is clear.
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Major event in the American Indian wars, but we already have American Indian Wars listed. We don't list the Battle of Gettysburg for the same reason, and that has a better claim for this list.
attempted removing this before. Also, we have Sitting Bull. We don't have Sioux or Lakota people. I think Sioux would be a good addition. I think someone mentioned that Sioux is not one group but an umbrella term of several peoples of one area, like it was a bad thing, a reason to not include it. But then we have other such terms like Adivasi or even Inuit or Indigenous Americans are all said to be umbrella terms for numerous peoples of a similar cultures and area too. In history there are more umbrella such terms like Celts, and more. Carl wev 18:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
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Article states the city was the largest in the whole Pre-Columbian Americas at it's peak, very significant city to the Aztecs, their capital in fact for 200 years. As significant if not more than only 3 historical American cities we have Teotihuacan, Tikal, Tiwanaku. We may remove Eight Deer Jaguar Claw again, and there is a view that Pre-Colombian America is under presented.
There are several historical cultures/cities in the Americas and elsewhere on my mind, that I am not as sure of. Kanem Empire, Clovis culture, Nazca culture, Pandyan dynasty, Ethiopian Empire, Goguryeo, Toltec, and several more, what do people think of any of these? Carl wev 10:26, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
(Yes it's inhabited today, but we list Timbuktu in historical cities, which is also a still inhabited city, but is much more significant historically). Jericho is often said to be the oldest continually inhabited settlement in the world, or at least a top contender, with over 20 successive settlements discovered going back to 9600 B.C. It is believed it may be the city with the oldest known protective wall in the world and was thought to have the oldest stone tower in the world too. One of the most significant historical cities, with history in the Holocene, Neolithic, Bronze Age, Iron Age, Hellenistic, Roman, Persian, Byzantine and Ottoman periods.
Agree, Çatalhöyük was also in my to do list, but I had forgotten about it. Carl wev 12:17, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
One of the most significant and known neolithic sites, or "proto-city" as it has been called. Good example of early human settlement. It appears as stand alone page/article/topic in several history books I have, even some that cover whole world history. May have been the largest settlement in the world at on time, if not one of the biggest, according to List of largest cities throughout history.
Tell Brak and especially Uruk look significant too. Carl wev 12:22, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
We have historical cities from most other parts of the world, why not the United States? Generally regarded as one of the largest pre-Columbian settlements in the United States. (FWIW, I've been considering nominating this for some time). p b p 13:32, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
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Term that was coined within the past 20 years and not widely used yet. Was added with no discussion when the list was first created years ago. Article doesn't explain its vitality, mostly original research. Such a niche topic should have a discussion at least.
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Surprised bedding is on the list, but mattress is not. We already bed however, so bedding should be removed anyways if we decide against adding mattress.
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The age of consent varies from country to country.
Is this more important then? Or is this the best article to have compared to potential others, including for example: Age of majority, The age of criminal responsibility, Emancipation of minors, Voting age, Legal drinking age, Sexual abuse, Child sexual abuse, Child abuse, Consent (criminal law), Consent among others? Carl wev 06:54, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
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Vital economics concept with a significant global history, still relevant in today's culture.
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Yes it is a top university in the United States, but not ranked among the top 10 or 20 in the country. I also don't see how this university is considered as "vital" as other universities not listed in the United States with a similar reputation, such as University of Wisconsin, Georgetown University or New York University, the last two have a better claim on the list.
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Now that Russia and China are becoming influential, these articles are no doubt as vital as NATO and European Union.
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Mesoamerica was one of the very few sites in the world where writing was invented independently with no contact from other civilizations. The Maya script is nowadays as important to archaeologists as Egyptian hieroglyphs and cuneiform, both of which are listed. I also think it's more vital than Devanagari for instance (keeping in mind that Brahmic scripts is included as well).
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Important topic in the world today.
Partially covered by slavery, however I still think it's important enough considering what's listed elsewhere like biographies. Carl wev 15:13, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
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Key ecology concept, I can see this fit in the 1000 vital articles list, so i'm astonished it's not in the 10000 at least.
Population density, and world population are also interesting, but they may not be needed. Carl wev 09:18, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
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Surprised this isn't on the list, most common and well-known skin disorder.
Very very common, the only thing this is guilty of, is not being a serious condition, but I don't think that's a reason to not have it. The common cold and allergy are listed in the 1000 and are normally not serious. Carl wev 18:37, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
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Open clusters and globular clusters are already covered by stellar cluster. This is pretty redundant, whereas Scientific modelling and physical law are something quite primordial to physical sciences. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 21:17, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
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With the confirmation of their existence, this has huge implications for astronomy and relativity in general.
Anyone like the idea of wind wave? I suppose we have tide though. Carl wev 15:52, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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We list global warming here and in the 1000 list too, that article covers recent man made warming. Climate change covers man made and natural, present changes, and changes in the recent and far back history. Covering changes in human prehistory, ice ages and warm periods, to changes millions of years ago, with a number of causes, like sun activity, volcanoes, differences in orbit cycles, among others and caused by biological life processes, and it's effects on lifeforms. Significant to natural history, geology, biology, early/prehistory and modern day issues too. It does have information on recent human impact too, but only in one of many sections.
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The most important German Romantic painter. He is called as the Europe's first truly modern artist and his works are very famous.
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Modigliani is famous for his original portraits.
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One of the greatest abstract artists of the twentieth century. [15] [16].
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Great Russian artist who made some iconic paintings, such as Barge Haulers on the Volga and Cossacks Writing a Letter to the Turkish Sultan. [17].
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This important French writer pioneered a new concept of the novel. [18].
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One of the most important composers of 20th century.
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Five F1 drivers is too many.
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Isn't he at least as important as dale, aj, richard and jackie? im not a big auto race fan, but his name seems the most iconic to me, at least. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 04:05, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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The legacy of the 1976 Tangshan earthquake is unclear. Yes it was a deadly earthquake, but China at the time wasn't really a "developed country", and many of its buildings was of shoddy construction, so that kind of natural disaster was bound to happen. It was a conscience that it happened towards the end of Mao's regime. The article claims it helped cause the end of the Cultural Revolution (without a citation), but the Cultural Revolution was near its end by the time the event hit, and for other causes. As for 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, 2nd-4th deadliest natural disaster (depends on the rank) in global history, and an event that impacted a number of countries, instead of one. Very similar to both 1970 Bhola cyclone and 1931 China floods are listed, and both of those have more unclear death tolls and global impact. Biggest humanitarian event for a natural disaster in history, and impacted the economy of several countries for years. I would consider that storm to be more vital than Bhola, Tangshan and the floods.
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I can't seem to find a reason why this topic is vital at all. We already have collecting, we don't need to go to specifics as we are only limited to 10,000 articles and the study of stamps is too niche of a topic.
It's collecting and/or studying stamps. From a collecting point of view, many things can be collected, we have collecting itself, and we also have postage stamp as well. From a study point of view, many things can be studied too, and some have significant articles about said study, which seem more important than stamps. Many topics that are in the level 3 vital 1000 do not have their study article listed here. Just two examples of many, Fish and Bird are in the vital 1000, but we do not list Ichthyology or Ornithology here, and those topics seem more vital than philately. In fact we voted to remove ornithology a long time ago, as it once included, but wasn't wanted either. There may be level 2 vital 100 topics that do not have their study listed here either, I haven't checked a lot, but musicology and Religious studies are not here either. Carl wev 09:13, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
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We already have University of California, Berkeley which is ranked as the top public university in the United States. This one is not as prestigious, and from the same regional area that Berkley can easily cover. As I mentioned above. We are over quota in this area, with other topics such as economics has been mostly ignored.
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Both are absolutely vital at this level, however neither of them is included in the list.
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Our space section has nothing on Mars exploration currently. Rather than picking a single mission, I think an overview article is most appropriate. Jclemens ( talk) 05:22, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
There are other articles of a similar nature, Exploration of the Moon (covered by other articles I know), Exploration of Jupiter, Discovery and exploration of the Solar System, or closer to home Exploration of the Pacific, Deep-sea exploration, Exploration of North America, Exploration of Africa. But that being said, I think this overview is reasonable considering what we devote to the Moon landings. (I have also been thinking about plain Exploration for lev 3, seeing as we list Space exploration and a list of explorers there? Exploration is in bad shape, but improving is the main reason for adding articles, exploration pretty vital concept, it could be a good article.) Carl wev 09:40, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
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I'm somewhat baffled by the omission of Ted Hughes from this list. He is regarded as one of the most important 20th century poets and arguably the most important British poet of the latter half of the twentieth century. He played a pivotal role in the development of modern poetry. There are a number of other surprising omissions, particularly Seamus Heaney and T.S. Eliot, but the lack of inclusion of Ted Hughes is, for me, the strangest.
T. S. Eliot is on the list. [19]. -- Thi ( talk) 08:13, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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The fact that he created the sword and sorcery genre and Conan the Barbarian, a fictional hero means that he is absolutely crucial at this level.
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Founded the Millernite movement, which is the direct forerunner of the highly-influential Adventist movement. Several religious movements, including the Bahá'í Faith and Seventh-day Adventist Church (18 million + members), can trace their roots to him and his teachings.
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Latin music seems to be underrepresented, most famous tango musician of all-time.
Nothing on Mexican music, the most popular kind of Latin music. Probably the biggest icon in that field.