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The purpose of this discussion page is to manage the Level 3 list of 1,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles (e.g. at WP:FA and WP:GA status). See the table to the right (on desktop) or above (on mobile) showing the historic distribution of Level 3 articles.
All level 3 nominations must be of an article already listed at level 4.
All proposals must remain open for !voting for a minimum of 15 days, after which:
Nominations should be left open beyond the minimum if they have a reasonable chance of passing. An informed discussion with more editor participation produces an improved and more stable final list, so be patient with the process.
For reference, the following times apply for today:
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
We already list
Telephone at this level which should cover all phones.
Interstellarity (
talk)
23:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Peter is one of the key rulers that changed Russia totally. There is even such expression "pre-Petrine Russia", there is no such expression as "pre-Catherinian Russia". Russian history is clearly divided into before (with the boyars, without any schools, without navy) and after Peter (with Governing Senate, with Academy of Sciences, with a big navy). His importance cannot be overstated. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Under
Economy
3, we currently list four industries within the
Primary sector of the economy:
Agriculture
2,
Fishing
3,
Hunting
3, and
Mining
3; and two industries within the
Secondary sector of the economy:
Manufacturing
2 and
Construction
3. We do not list any industry within the
Tertiary sector of the economy at Level 3 or above.
Such a distribution between the three sectors is imbalanced, and within the primary sector, hunting is arguably the least important: most animals produced for human consumption (either for meat or animal products) are farmed (i.e., agriculture), not hunted. A case can be made for removing fishing instead, given that it is a subtopic of agriculture and
seafood comprises a minority of meat consumed in most countries around the world, however it is probably a more widespread practice than hunting, so my preference is for the removal of hunting. Given that the tertiary sector is mostly about the provision of services, adding
Service (economics)
4 makes sense.
We are over quota at 1,003. Jainism has only around 5 million followers. Compare to
Judaism
3 (15+ million),
Sikhism
3 (25+ million),
Buddhism
3 (500+ million)....
starship
.paint (
RUN)
14:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
There are plenty of editors that suggested a straight addition rather than a swap with Catherine. My reasoning is in the above discussion. Interstellarity ( talk) 11:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
We should list
Korea
4 over
South Korea
3 since we have broad coverage of the whole Korean Peninsula. The broad coverage of the Korean Peninsula and its history is more vital than the country of South Korea itself. At level 4, we list
History of Korea while
History of South Korea and
History of North Korea are at level 5. We should do a similar thing at this level.
Interstellarity (
talk)
16:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
We moved Moses and Abraham out of people and into religion because they were not placed into people at level 4. As I understand, the reasoning for not placing them there at level 4 is because historians generally consider them legendary figures and not real people. But I can't figure out why this would only apply to religious figures. In level 3,
Homer
3 and
Laozi
3, in particular, are widely considered to be not real people. Both are generally believed to have been invented to be writers for the works now attributed to them, which were actually written by various other people. I suggest moving them out of the people category because they are not people. As to the new destinations, I suggest under literature for Homer and under Eastern philosophy next to Confucianism for Laozi. I believe those are the only two non-people remaining in the people category, but if I am mistaken let me know and I'll add that to the list.
Ladtrack (
talk)
07:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Founder and most prominent ruler of important
Byzantine Empire
3. He is what
Augustus
3 was to the
Ancient Rome
3. Will regularly appear in the top 10/20 lists of "greatest leaders in history". We have the space to add him without swapping out existing political leaders, but if we had to, he would solidly rank above some other "early leaders" such as
Timur
3, and obviously
Joan of Arc
3 or
Nelson Mandela
3, but I think they are merited on having a diverse list; however, this should not stop us from having the biggest names, and
Constantine the Great
4 (and probably
Franklin D. Roosevelt
4) are huge omissions here.
Aszx5000 (
talk)
08:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Vital articles/Level/3 page. |
|
![]() | Vital Articles | |||
|
![]() | Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/3 is a reader-facing page intended for viewing by non-editors. Please prioritize their needs when adjusting its design, and move editor-facing elements to other pages. |
![]() | (From June 2024) The new Vital Article landing page for general discussion and proposals is Wikipedia talk:Vital articles; this talk page is solely for proposals to add, swap, or remove specific articles at Level 3 |
This section is pinned and will not be automatically archived. |
The purpose of this discussion page is to manage the Level 3 list of 1,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles (e.g. at WP:FA and WP:GA status). See the table to the right (on desktop) or above (on mobile) showing the historic distribution of Level 3 articles.
All level 3 nominations must be of an article already listed at level 4.
All proposals must remain open for !voting for a minimum of 15 days, after which:
Nominations should be left open beyond the minimum if they have a reasonable chance of passing. An informed discussion with more editor participation produces an improved and more stable final list, so be patient with the process.
For reference, the following times apply for today:
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
We already list
Telephone at this level which should cover all phones.
Interstellarity (
talk)
23:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Peter is one of the key rulers that changed Russia totally. There is even such expression "pre-Petrine Russia", there is no such expression as "pre-Catherinian Russia". Russian history is clearly divided into before (with the boyars, without any schools, without navy) and after Peter (with Governing Senate, with Academy of Sciences, with a big navy). His importance cannot be overstated. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Under
Economy
3, we currently list four industries within the
Primary sector of the economy:
Agriculture
2,
Fishing
3,
Hunting
3, and
Mining
3; and two industries within the
Secondary sector of the economy:
Manufacturing
2 and
Construction
3. We do not list any industry within the
Tertiary sector of the economy at Level 3 or above.
Such a distribution between the three sectors is imbalanced, and within the primary sector, hunting is arguably the least important: most animals produced for human consumption (either for meat or animal products) are farmed (i.e., agriculture), not hunted. A case can be made for removing fishing instead, given that it is a subtopic of agriculture and
seafood comprises a minority of meat consumed in most countries around the world, however it is probably a more widespread practice than hunting, so my preference is for the removal of hunting. Given that the tertiary sector is mostly about the provision of services, adding
Service (economics)
4 makes sense.
We are over quota at 1,003. Jainism has only around 5 million followers. Compare to
Judaism
3 (15+ million),
Sikhism
3 (25+ million),
Buddhism
3 (500+ million)....
starship
.paint (
RUN)
14:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
There are plenty of editors that suggested a straight addition rather than a swap with Catherine. My reasoning is in the above discussion. Interstellarity ( talk) 11:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
We should list
Korea
4 over
South Korea
3 since we have broad coverage of the whole Korean Peninsula. The broad coverage of the Korean Peninsula and its history is more vital than the country of South Korea itself. At level 4, we list
History of Korea while
History of South Korea and
History of North Korea are at level 5. We should do a similar thing at this level.
Interstellarity (
talk)
16:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
We moved Moses and Abraham out of people and into religion because they were not placed into people at level 4. As I understand, the reasoning for not placing them there at level 4 is because historians generally consider them legendary figures and not real people. But I can't figure out why this would only apply to religious figures. In level 3,
Homer
3 and
Laozi
3, in particular, are widely considered to be not real people. Both are generally believed to have been invented to be writers for the works now attributed to them, which were actually written by various other people. I suggest moving them out of the people category because they are not people. As to the new destinations, I suggest under literature for Homer and under Eastern philosophy next to Confucianism for Laozi. I believe those are the only two non-people remaining in the people category, but if I am mistaken let me know and I'll add that to the list.
Ladtrack (
talk)
07:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Founder and most prominent ruler of important
Byzantine Empire
3. He is what
Augustus
3 was to the
Ancient Rome
3. Will regularly appear in the top 10/20 lists of "greatest leaders in history". We have the space to add him without swapping out existing political leaders, but if we had to, he would solidly rank above some other "early leaders" such as
Timur
3, and obviously
Joan of Arc
3 or
Nelson Mandela
3, but I think they are merited on having a diverse list; however, this should not stop us from having the biggest names, and
Constantine the Great
4 (and probably
Franklin D. Roosevelt
4) are huge omissions here.
Aszx5000 (
talk)
08:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)