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Shouldn't the short description for the page about short descriptions be an excellent example? The current "Brief phrase saying what a page is about" seems very much like
a definition to me; it defines the purpose of short descriptions by summarizing the content of the page instead of being "a concise explanation of the scope of the page". The scope of the page, as is the case for most project pages, is to provide information about a project feature, policy, guideline etc. i.e. it's about short descriptions, not is one. The page describes defines itself as a "Brief phrase saying what a page is about", which is contrary to what the page guides users to do. So wrong in so many ways.
Fred Gandt ·
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08:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
{{Infopage|WP:SDESC|WP:SHORTDES|WP:SHORTDESC}}
) is giving me "Wikipedia information page". Should we also do something about that? Or am I just suffering because of my gadget settings? —
JohnFromPinckney (
talk /
edits) 10:30, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
display: none
, any gadget or CSS used to show them will likely show any and all present, no matter how they got there. If the explicit {{short description}}
is used correctly (the first code on the page unless on redirect pages), it would be possible to show only that one or not that one with targeted CSS e.g. .shortdescription:first-of-type
to only show the explicit one.
Fred Gandt ·
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15:38, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
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15:38, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
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17:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
While I can imagine that some mysterious-sounding, brief title or one about some obscure topic might occasionally need a short description longer than the article title, I find it somewhere between ludicrous and amusing, when a brief, simply worded title with obvious meaning is headed by a "short" description which is twice as long, and which is tying itself into knots trying not to simply repeat the article title in the description, where the best short description would be, in fact, the article title. Case in point: well, there's a millions cases in point, but Transgender health care just popped up on my watchlist, so that one is as good as any for now. The short description for that one should just be, "none". Or, if I missed a better description, I'd love to see it to pop up again on my watchlist when you change it. Mathglot ( talk) 11:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
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If the description is "none", doesn't that just invite someone to add one (e.g. here), especially if they aren't aware of WP:SDNONE? How do we tell prospective editors that "this article doesn't need a description as its title is sufficiently descriptive" versus "this article doesn't yet have a description, please add one"? -- Jameboy ( talk) 13:18, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
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Fred Gandt ·
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{{SHORTDESC:}}
override an inherited short description, and there might need to be fixes to the {{SHORTDESC}}
magic word implementation to make that all work right. I'll copy some additional context into
phab:T326898 to help work through this.
C. Scott Ananian (
talk) 22:31, 28 February 2023 (UTC)"Short descriptions exceeding 40 characters may be truncated in some contexts" - I was just wondering if the 40 characters includes spaces or not? - Arjayay ( talk) 16:33, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Like this or this?-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 09:56, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
insource:
regex
searches are possible, but without a full charset it's likely to return a lot of false positives to wade through. Also note that complex regex searches can timeout due to server load.
Fred Gandt ·
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16:19, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
this search (although timing out) is already bringing the returns down to ~1,500 (YMMV) and is quite rudimentary. At least it's an indicationation that there's not an exceptional problem to handle.
Fred Gandt ·
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23:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Search insource:/\{\{ *(?:S|s)hort description\|[ÁáäāãÉéêèëÎīíîöôōóṓŏõūüçḏğñŠșšț₂³°a-zA-Z0-9(–)-|\/=,;:.'"+%& ]*[^ÁáäāãÉéêèëÎīíîöôōóṓŏõūüçḏğñŠșšț₂³°a-zA-Z0-9(–)-|\/=,;:.'"+%& }]+/
and we're down to 337 (YMMV); the search won't accept a longer query string 🤦♀️ Quite a lot of them have unusual whitespace characters; I was working through them but am tired; will carry on after sleeping.
Fred Gandt ·
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03:31, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
'a(a)a{a}a"a:a=a?a'.match( /[(){}":=?]+/g )
is perfectly fine; only special chars that are special in sets need to be escaped e.g. [\[\]\-]
. It's 5am for me so these sentences were hard work 😉
Fred Gandt ·
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04:53, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
[^}]*?
or similar (maybe .
instead of [^}]
). —
Qwerfjkl
talk 09:03, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
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13:40, 17 February 2023 (UTC)Does anyone know a close percentage of reader who view short descriptions? Is it all mobile users or just some? I've never seen a short descriptor on a page (having decided long ago not to view the internet on a phone and carry the addiction around with me), so am unsure how prevalent they are to Wikipedia readers. Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 23:11, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
nomobile
CSS classHi y'all – Do you know why the nomobile
class was applied to the {{Short description}}
template?
The class was added back in 2017 presumably to ensure the short description text doesn't appear in the middle of the article. cc @ TheDJ who it looks like made the change.
For context, the Editing Team wonders the above as we
plan a change that will enable people to edit the {{Short description}}
using the mobile visual editor. Note: it will NOT have any impact on how/if the short description appears to people who are reading an article.
Also, thank you to @ Shushugah for drawing the Editing Team's attention to this issue. PPelberg (WMF) ( talk) 21:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
The new Vector 2022 skin truncates short descriptions in incremental search results. Does anybody know if there is a Phabricator task treating this as a bug? Barnards.tar.gz ( talk) 19:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I don't know if this is an issue with this template specifically. Currently at List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series, the SD is set in the article to "none" per WP:SDNONE. When I view that article on the desktop site (Mac OS, Chrome, Vector legacy skin), I see "This page intentionally has no description." as expected. However, if I search on the mobile site, the SD shows up as "0000 American TV series or program" (see here). That article is using {{ Infobox television}}, which in turn is using {{ Infobox television/Short description}}, but it was believed that using SD on the article would override the "television/Short description". I also noticed that Hellknowz addressed a similar "0000" output happening with {{ Infobox video game}} here so I don't know if the two are possibly related and it stems from a larger issue at the main SD template. Thanks for anyone's assistance on this. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:11, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
|released=
. I think the problem is that "none" is not taking precedence, which I believe it should because of the |2=noreplace
that is in the SD subtemplate. {{
Short description|none}}
just produces <nowiki />, which the noreplace doesn't care about. It should really produce {{SHORTDESC:}}
or if that doesn't work, {{SHORTDESC:{{zwsp}}}}
or suchlike. —
Qwerfjkl
talk 09:37, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
{{
Short description/sandbox|none}}
followed by {{
user page}}. The latter template generates an SD of "Wikipedia editor" and properly uses "noreplace". I have been unable to prevent "Wikipedia editor" from appearing under my User page name in the Vector 2022 search results when I search for "User:Jonesey95". Any ideas are welcome. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 22:37, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
{{
zwsp}}
seems to override the short description as expected, as displayed using "Page information". I have to see if that causes rendering issue with having an empty short description.
Galobtter (
pingó mió) 08:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
{{
zwsp}}
and will move the page title in the search result box upwards to make space for a short description despite it being functionally empty. Looks like
phab:T326898 will fix this though.
Galobtter (
pingó mió) 06:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)In this revision, I made a wikitable that can better organize the statistics of the number of articles with short descriptions over the years.
Progress of the project was recorded on specific dates every month since July 2020. To complete the wikitable, the total number of articles in English Wikipedia at each of those dates have to be known, in order to calculate the progress in form of percentages. Can anyone help me in getting those statistics?
Here is the wikitable:
Date | Approximate number of articles | Total number of articles | Percentage of articles with short description |
---|---|---|---|
8 July 2020 | 1,100,000 | ||
29 December 2020 | 1,440,000 | ||
15 April 2021 | 2,027,000 | ||
22 June 2021 | 2,225,000 | ||
19 October 2021 | 2,478,000 | ||
12 November 2021 | 3,791,000 | ||
15 February 2022 | 4,009,000 | ||
23 May 2022 | 4,364,000 | ||
23 August 2022 | 4,579,787 | ||
23 September 2022 | 4,616,358 | ||
26 October 2022 | 4,654,836 | ||
25 November 2022 | 4,719,196 | 6,235,309 | 75.685% |
23 December 2022 | 4,746,240 | 6,245,941 | 75.989% |
3 January 2023 | 4,781,930 | 6,260,835 | 76.379% |
7 February 2023 | 4,827,834 | 6,277,379 | 76.908% |
— CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 14:55, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, is there any tool, link, gadget, etc. that would show you a list of pages without short descriptions? Or at least take you to a random one? CanO27sprite ( talk) 22:46, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Does anyone know why Antiochus I of Commagene is logged on the Articles with long short description category? Shortdesc Helper shows that its short description is only 30 characters long. I also can’t remove the category because it is automatically applied. Liu1126 ( talk) 06:32, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
I'm using the gadget (and https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Special:Search&limit=50&offset=50&ns0=1&ns1=1&search=-hastemplate%3A"Short+description") and wanting to comply with everything but unsure about apparent conflicting advice regarding capitalization. I've checked the archives back to number 8 without seeing clear answers.
I'm starting each new or edited SD with lower-case (as is recommended on some page that I read), and the result appears as Upper on the WP page, so that seems OK.
For a new added SD, am I meant to type "all the text in lower case" (even for proper nouns) so that WD gets it all that way? Then how would WP add necessary capitals?
"when exporting a modified short description back to Wikidata" - I'm not consciously exporting to WD - but am I doing that without realising? Does that happen every time I click "edit and import"? How do I "manually edit the Wikidata description" without opening WD? (I'd rather not complicate my life by learning how to do things in WD.)
Does "change the first Uppercase letter of the sentence" really mean "change the Uppercase first letter of the SD"?
Anyone's welcome to check my recent edits and tell me which, if any, are wrong in any respect. (Don't expect prompt response - I'm off to bed now. Robin Patterson ( talk) 14:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
@Jonesey95 - Regarding
your revert
(1) I changed "a short descriptive annotation" to "a brief overview or summary
(2) You restored "a short descriptive annotation" because "a short description is specifically not a summary."
(3) However, the
cite I had provided says a "descriptive annotation" is "a brief summary."
(4) What do you think about making the text "a short description" (taking out "annotation")? So, what is it? -
Butwhatdoiknow (
talk) 17:17, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Actually, now that I think about it, do you know whether there is a meaningful difference between "a very brief indication of the field covered by the article" and "a short descriptive annotation"? If not, can those two bullet points be combined to say "a very short statement of the subject of the article"? - Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 22:40, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
@ MichaelMaggs and @ Jonesey95 - Thank you for your time. While this conversation is at an end, I do hope that you will consider the possibility that what seems obvious to you may not seem obvious to an editor who has not added SDs to a few hundred articles. See Curse of knowledge. And, if you do that, I hope you will look at Wikipedia:Short description#Purposes with an eye toward making it clearer to the uninitiated what separates the second bullet point from the first and third bullet points. - Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 04:42, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
If you are noticing that short descriptions have enlarged text (not their normal styling), please note there appears to be some testing occurring that is affecting the gadget Shortdesc helper. You can find more info here: Wikipedia_talk:Shortdesc_helper#Short_descriptions_lost_their_styling. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:07, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I'm not sure if this is the correct place for this, but I've noticed while working on some articles that several short descriptions for Brazilian municipalities use the following format "Municipality in REGION, Brazil". This can be seen in the following articles: São Gabriel da Cachoeira, Tabatinga, Petropolis, etc... While not incorrect, this would be like the Chicago article being "City in Midwest, United States" or the San Francisco article being "City in West Coast, United States". I think these short descriptions are autogenerated from pulling the subdivision_type1 field from the settlement infobox template. I propose instead that it should use the subdivision_type2 field, so that it uses the state that the municipality is located in. BaduFerreira ( talk) 14:14, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
In Dec 2022 I extended the previous code to exclude categories for more namespaces, see here. I suspect that the current code is inefficient, and could be streamlined e.g. using {{ Main other}} by someone who is better than me with templates. – Fayenatic London 07:48, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Project members may be interested in this announcement. The WMF seems to be bypassing our SD systems once again, but this time instead of Wikidata they have machines. Certes ( talk) 12:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
#machine-suggestion? — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 19:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
I've found myself writing some SDs that turn out to be just over 40 characters, and wonder is there's a consensus for (a) use punctuation or abbreviations to drag the text back into compliance or (b) leave it spelled out for improved readability. Often I'm looking at the word "and" as dispensable. Examples of 41-character originals:
Thoughts? David Brooks ( talk) 03:10, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
My suggestion is to change the formate from:
Ex:President of the United States from 1953 to 1961
to
Ex:34th President of the United States (1953-1961)
this will make it easier to distinguish and classify each president, while stating the number of presidency without removing the years served in office V.B.Speranza ( talk) 20:55, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
United States President, 1953 to 1961(37 characters) is shorter than
President of the United States from 1953 to 1961(48) and so is even better — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 21:12, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
United States President, May–Oct 2057would be shorter.
I often change descriptions of pages to short descriptions which match those of similar pages. For example, most of the economic overview pages, as without descriptions, it renders an unsightly appearance to their display in Wikipedia's own app, despite most of these pages being some of the largest pages on Wikipedia. I'm not quite sure why there is a need to keep these pages without description, as it simply gives such pages an unfinished, unpolished, early 2000s Newgrounds-esque look. I was told to start this discussion by user Belbury. Frankly, I'm also not sure why user Belbury seems to care very much about the wiki page for the economy of the tiny nation of Qatar and other Persian Gulf microstates, but is perfectly alright with the exact same description fitting that of far larger wikipages, such as that of the economies of the United States and China. TitleEditor ( talk) 01:23, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
none. If a SD is already set to
none, then it is generally best to leave it alone. For example: you recently changed the SD of Economy of Saudi Arabia from
noneto National economy of Saudi Arabia. Changes of this sort are quite pointless — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 09:02, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Ah, you misunderstand me. I believe that the standard is a bad standard, and should be changed for aesthetic reasons that very much impact the app and have close to no impact on desktop performance. TitleEditor ( talk) 01:34, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
I have been told any number of times not to write "America" when I am referring to the USA, as America is a continent whereas United States is a single country. I accordingly
reverted a number of edits to short descriptions from American ultra-low-cost airline
to Ultra-low-cost airline of the United States
but then
User:BilCat (who clearly has a strong opinion in the matter, refer to their user page) re-reverted. I do not feel strongly either way, but I would like to know if there is an official policy. Thanks,
Mr.choppers |
✎ 13:19, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion here and here that may be of interest to this wikiproject. (In summary, this concerns "matching" of enwiki short descriptions and wikidata item descriptions.) Cheers, Cl3phact0 ( talk) 17:07, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Editors might be interested in this WMF proposal to suggest machine-created draft short descriptions to Wikipedia app users: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#Volunteer_Opportunity:_Join_the_Machine-Assisted_Article_Descriptions_Project_for_the_English_Wikipedia_App!. I have encouraged the team to come here and discuss their ideas. I'm specifically concerned that they have made a choice to rename "Short descriptions" as "Article descriptions", which is not what they are known as here, and that they are applying a common approach to all languages which does't fit with our guidance. MichaelMaggs ( talk) 10:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Template:Surname is currently transcluding Category:Pages with short description instead of Category:Articles with short description. That category is slowly going to fill up with tens of thousands of name articles, but where has that change actually been made, and is it correct to do so? — Xezbeth ( talk) 06:38, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
{{#invoke:pagetype|main}}
showed the result is "page".
Johnuniq (
talk) 07:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
|dab=no
to the {{
pagetype}} invocation inside
Template:Short description. Or I see that
Template:Short description also has a |pagetype=
parameter that can be called from
Template:Surname. —
Mr. Stradivarius
♪ talk ♪ 13:06, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
We're also getting a small number of fictional characters with a similar problem, such as Duffy (Casualty) and Abby (The Last of Us). They use {{ Infobox character}}, recently tagged as being considered for merging. Certes ( talk) 23:34, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
[%w_%s]-%f[%w][Dd]isam[%w]-
. —
Mr. Stradivarius
♪ talk ♪ 02:06, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Recent changes to Module:Disambiguation mean that pages containing {{ dab}} or {{ disambiguation}} are now categorised as dabs, even if the template is commented out. I've removed a commented dab template from Interstate 90, which fixed its SD category. It was inserted to pretend to Popups that the article is a dab, to ease diversion of incoming links to subtopics such as Interstate 90 in Washington. There are similar commented templates in Interstate 10, Interstate 70, Interstate 95, U.S. Route 6, U.S. Route 24, U.S. Route 34, U.S. Route 36 and U.S. Route 50. Should I simply remove these, or would it be better to have the module check that the template is not commented out? Courtesy ping: NE2. Certes ( talk) 23:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Any idea why Haiku PackageInstaller currently has the locally-defined short description of 'Football club'? Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 19:55, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
The "See also" section of an article makes it blindingly obvious that the use of annotated links is one of the worst ideas ever:
After the dash some of these descriptions begin with a capital letter and some lower-case. How does one correct the discrepancy? By taking a few seconds to edit this section? No, you have to edit every one of the articles whose short descriptions appear here. And then someone comes along and adds another link. 98.61.211.100 ( talk) 00:39, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Why is Category:Articles with no short description empty? a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 10:46, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi. Can someone clarify how Category:Short description is different from Wikidata is being populated?l, please? I've checked the source code of Template:Short description but it doesn't seem to be doing it. fgnievinski ( talk) 04:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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Shouldn't the short description for the page about short descriptions be an excellent example? The current "Brief phrase saying what a page is about" seems very much like
a definition to me; it defines the purpose of short descriptions by summarizing the content of the page instead of being "a concise explanation of the scope of the page". The scope of the page, as is the case for most project pages, is to provide information about a project feature, policy, guideline etc. i.e. it's about short descriptions, not is one. The page describes defines itself as a "Brief phrase saying what a page is about", which is contrary to what the page guides users to do. So wrong in so many ways.
Fred Gandt ·
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08:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
{{Infopage|WP:SDESC|WP:SHORTDES|WP:SHORTDESC}}
) is giving me "Wikipedia information page". Should we also do something about that? Or am I just suffering because of my gadget settings? —
JohnFromPinckney (
talk /
edits) 10:30, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
display: none
, any gadget or CSS used to show them will likely show any and all present, no matter how they got there. If the explicit {{short description}}
is used correctly (the first code on the page unless on redirect pages), it would be possible to show only that one or not that one with targeted CSS e.g. .shortdescription:first-of-type
to only show the explicit one.
Fred Gandt ·
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15:38, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
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15:38, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
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17:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
While I can imagine that some mysterious-sounding, brief title or one about some obscure topic might occasionally need a short description longer than the article title, I find it somewhere between ludicrous and amusing, when a brief, simply worded title with obvious meaning is headed by a "short" description which is twice as long, and which is tying itself into knots trying not to simply repeat the article title in the description, where the best short description would be, in fact, the article title. Case in point: well, there's a millions cases in point, but Transgender health care just popped up on my watchlist, so that one is as good as any for now. The short description for that one should just be, "none". Or, if I missed a better description, I'd love to see it to pop up again on my watchlist when you change it. Mathglot ( talk) 11:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
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15:56, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
If the description is "none", doesn't that just invite someone to add one (e.g. here), especially if they aren't aware of WP:SDNONE? How do we tell prospective editors that "this article doesn't need a description as its title is sufficiently descriptive" versus "this article doesn't yet have a description, please add one"? -- Jameboy ( talk) 13:18, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
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14:31, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
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19:25, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
{{SHORTDESC:}}
override an inherited short description, and there might need to be fixes to the {{SHORTDESC}}
magic word implementation to make that all work right. I'll copy some additional context into
phab:T326898 to help work through this.
C. Scott Ananian (
talk) 22:31, 28 February 2023 (UTC)"Short descriptions exceeding 40 characters may be truncated in some contexts" - I was just wondering if the 40 characters includes spaces or not? - Arjayay ( talk) 16:33, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Like this or this?-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 09:56, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
insource:
regex
searches are possible, but without a full charset it's likely to return a lot of false positives to wade through. Also note that complex regex searches can timeout due to server load.
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
16:19, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
this search (although timing out) is already bringing the returns down to ~1,500 (YMMV) and is quite rudimentary. At least it's an indicationation that there's not an exceptional problem to handle.
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
23:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Search insource:/\{\{ *(?:S|s)hort description\|[ÁáäāãÉéêèëÎīíîöôōóṓŏõūüçḏğñŠșšț₂³°a-zA-Z0-9(–)-|\/=,;:.'"+%& ]*[^ÁáäāãÉéêèëÎīíîöôōóṓŏõūüçḏğñŠșšț₂³°a-zA-Z0-9(–)-|\/=,;:.'"+%& }]+/
and we're down to 337 (YMMV); the search won't accept a longer query string 🤦♀️ Quite a lot of them have unusual whitespace characters; I was working through them but am tired; will carry on after sleeping.
Fred Gandt ·
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contribs
03:31, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
'a(a)a{a}a"a:a=a?a'.match( /[(){}":=?]+/g )
is perfectly fine; only special chars that are special in sets need to be escaped e.g. [\[\]\-]
. It's 5am for me so these sentences were hard work 😉
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
04:53, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
[^}]*?
or similar (maybe .
instead of [^}]
). —
Qwerfjkl
talk 09:03, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
13:40, 17 February 2023 (UTC)Does anyone know a close percentage of reader who view short descriptions? Is it all mobile users or just some? I've never seen a short descriptor on a page (having decided long ago not to view the internet on a phone and carry the addiction around with me), so am unsure how prevalent they are to Wikipedia readers. Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 23:11, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
nomobile
CSS classHi y'all – Do you know why the nomobile
class was applied to the {{Short description}}
template?
The class was added back in 2017 presumably to ensure the short description text doesn't appear in the middle of the article. cc @ TheDJ who it looks like made the change.
For context, the Editing Team wonders the above as we
plan a change that will enable people to edit the {{Short description}}
using the mobile visual editor. Note: it will NOT have any impact on how/if the short description appears to people who are reading an article.
Also, thank you to @ Shushugah for drawing the Editing Team's attention to this issue. PPelberg (WMF) ( talk) 21:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
The new Vector 2022 skin truncates short descriptions in incremental search results. Does anybody know if there is a Phabricator task treating this as a bug? Barnards.tar.gz ( talk) 19:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I don't know if this is an issue with this template specifically. Currently at List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series, the SD is set in the article to "none" per WP:SDNONE. When I view that article on the desktop site (Mac OS, Chrome, Vector legacy skin), I see "This page intentionally has no description." as expected. However, if I search on the mobile site, the SD shows up as "0000 American TV series or program" (see here). That article is using {{ Infobox television}}, which in turn is using {{ Infobox television/Short description}}, but it was believed that using SD on the article would override the "television/Short description". I also noticed that Hellknowz addressed a similar "0000" output happening with {{ Infobox video game}} here so I don't know if the two are possibly related and it stems from a larger issue at the main SD template. Thanks for anyone's assistance on this. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:11, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
|released=
. I think the problem is that "none" is not taking precedence, which I believe it should because of the |2=noreplace
that is in the SD subtemplate. {{
Short description|none}}
just produces <nowiki />, which the noreplace doesn't care about. It should really produce {{SHORTDESC:}}
or if that doesn't work, {{SHORTDESC:{{zwsp}}}}
or suchlike. —
Qwerfjkl
talk 09:37, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
{{
Short description/sandbox|none}}
followed by {{
user page}}. The latter template generates an SD of "Wikipedia editor" and properly uses "noreplace". I have been unable to prevent "Wikipedia editor" from appearing under my User page name in the Vector 2022 search results when I search for "User:Jonesey95". Any ideas are welcome. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 22:37, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
{{
zwsp}}
seems to override the short description as expected, as displayed using "Page information". I have to see if that causes rendering issue with having an empty short description.
Galobtter (
pingó mió) 08:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
{{
zwsp}}
and will move the page title in the search result box upwards to make space for a short description despite it being functionally empty. Looks like
phab:T326898 will fix this though.
Galobtter (
pingó mió) 06:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)In this revision, I made a wikitable that can better organize the statistics of the number of articles with short descriptions over the years.
Progress of the project was recorded on specific dates every month since July 2020. To complete the wikitable, the total number of articles in English Wikipedia at each of those dates have to be known, in order to calculate the progress in form of percentages. Can anyone help me in getting those statistics?
Here is the wikitable:
Date | Approximate number of articles | Total number of articles | Percentage of articles with short description |
---|---|---|---|
8 July 2020 | 1,100,000 | ||
29 December 2020 | 1,440,000 | ||
15 April 2021 | 2,027,000 | ||
22 June 2021 | 2,225,000 | ||
19 October 2021 | 2,478,000 | ||
12 November 2021 | 3,791,000 | ||
15 February 2022 | 4,009,000 | ||
23 May 2022 | 4,364,000 | ||
23 August 2022 | 4,579,787 | ||
23 September 2022 | 4,616,358 | ||
26 October 2022 | 4,654,836 | ||
25 November 2022 | 4,719,196 | 6,235,309 | 75.685% |
23 December 2022 | 4,746,240 | 6,245,941 | 75.989% |
3 January 2023 | 4,781,930 | 6,260,835 | 76.379% |
7 February 2023 | 4,827,834 | 6,277,379 | 76.908% |
— CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 14:55, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, is there any tool, link, gadget, etc. that would show you a list of pages without short descriptions? Or at least take you to a random one? CanO27sprite ( talk) 22:46, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Does anyone know why Antiochus I of Commagene is logged on the Articles with long short description category? Shortdesc Helper shows that its short description is only 30 characters long. I also can’t remove the category because it is automatically applied. Liu1126 ( talk) 06:32, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
I'm using the gadget (and https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Special:Search&limit=50&offset=50&ns0=1&ns1=1&search=-hastemplate%3A"Short+description") and wanting to comply with everything but unsure about apparent conflicting advice regarding capitalization. I've checked the archives back to number 8 without seeing clear answers.
I'm starting each new or edited SD with lower-case (as is recommended on some page that I read), and the result appears as Upper on the WP page, so that seems OK.
For a new added SD, am I meant to type "all the text in lower case" (even for proper nouns) so that WD gets it all that way? Then how would WP add necessary capitals?
"when exporting a modified short description back to Wikidata" - I'm not consciously exporting to WD - but am I doing that without realising? Does that happen every time I click "edit and import"? How do I "manually edit the Wikidata description" without opening WD? (I'd rather not complicate my life by learning how to do things in WD.)
Does "change the first Uppercase letter of the sentence" really mean "change the Uppercase first letter of the SD"?
Anyone's welcome to check my recent edits and tell me which, if any, are wrong in any respect. (Don't expect prompt response - I'm off to bed now. Robin Patterson ( talk) 14:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
@Jonesey95 - Regarding
your revert
(1) I changed "a short descriptive annotation" to "a brief overview or summary
(2) You restored "a short descriptive annotation" because "a short description is specifically not a summary."
(3) However, the
cite I had provided says a "descriptive annotation" is "a brief summary."
(4) What do you think about making the text "a short description" (taking out "annotation")? So, what is it? -
Butwhatdoiknow (
talk) 17:17, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Actually, now that I think about it, do you know whether there is a meaningful difference between "a very brief indication of the field covered by the article" and "a short descriptive annotation"? If not, can those two bullet points be combined to say "a very short statement of the subject of the article"? - Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 22:40, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
@ MichaelMaggs and @ Jonesey95 - Thank you for your time. While this conversation is at an end, I do hope that you will consider the possibility that what seems obvious to you may not seem obvious to an editor who has not added SDs to a few hundred articles. See Curse of knowledge. And, if you do that, I hope you will look at Wikipedia:Short description#Purposes with an eye toward making it clearer to the uninitiated what separates the second bullet point from the first and third bullet points. - Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 04:42, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
If you are noticing that short descriptions have enlarged text (not their normal styling), please note there appears to be some testing occurring that is affecting the gadget Shortdesc helper. You can find more info here: Wikipedia_talk:Shortdesc_helper#Short_descriptions_lost_their_styling. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:07, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I'm not sure if this is the correct place for this, but I've noticed while working on some articles that several short descriptions for Brazilian municipalities use the following format "Municipality in REGION, Brazil". This can be seen in the following articles: São Gabriel da Cachoeira, Tabatinga, Petropolis, etc... While not incorrect, this would be like the Chicago article being "City in Midwest, United States" or the San Francisco article being "City in West Coast, United States". I think these short descriptions are autogenerated from pulling the subdivision_type1 field from the settlement infobox template. I propose instead that it should use the subdivision_type2 field, so that it uses the state that the municipality is located in. BaduFerreira ( talk) 14:14, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
In Dec 2022 I extended the previous code to exclude categories for more namespaces, see here. I suspect that the current code is inefficient, and could be streamlined e.g. using {{ Main other}} by someone who is better than me with templates. – Fayenatic London 07:48, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Project members may be interested in this announcement. The WMF seems to be bypassing our SD systems once again, but this time instead of Wikidata they have machines. Certes ( talk) 12:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
#machine-suggestion? — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 19:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
I've found myself writing some SDs that turn out to be just over 40 characters, and wonder is there's a consensus for (a) use punctuation or abbreviations to drag the text back into compliance or (b) leave it spelled out for improved readability. Often I'm looking at the word "and" as dispensable. Examples of 41-character originals:
Thoughts? David Brooks ( talk) 03:10, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
My suggestion is to change the formate from:
Ex:President of the United States from 1953 to 1961
to
Ex:34th President of the United States (1953-1961)
this will make it easier to distinguish and classify each president, while stating the number of presidency without removing the years served in office V.B.Speranza ( talk) 20:55, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
United States President, 1953 to 1961(37 characters) is shorter than
President of the United States from 1953 to 1961(48) and so is even better — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 21:12, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
United States President, May–Oct 2057would be shorter.
I often change descriptions of pages to short descriptions which match those of similar pages. For example, most of the economic overview pages, as without descriptions, it renders an unsightly appearance to their display in Wikipedia's own app, despite most of these pages being some of the largest pages on Wikipedia. I'm not quite sure why there is a need to keep these pages without description, as it simply gives such pages an unfinished, unpolished, early 2000s Newgrounds-esque look. I was told to start this discussion by user Belbury. Frankly, I'm also not sure why user Belbury seems to care very much about the wiki page for the economy of the tiny nation of Qatar and other Persian Gulf microstates, but is perfectly alright with the exact same description fitting that of far larger wikipages, such as that of the economies of the United States and China. TitleEditor ( talk) 01:23, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
none. If a SD is already set to
none, then it is generally best to leave it alone. For example: you recently changed the SD of Economy of Saudi Arabia from
noneto National economy of Saudi Arabia. Changes of this sort are quite pointless — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 09:02, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Ah, you misunderstand me. I believe that the standard is a bad standard, and should be changed for aesthetic reasons that very much impact the app and have close to no impact on desktop performance. TitleEditor ( talk) 01:34, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
I have been told any number of times not to write "America" when I am referring to the USA, as America is a continent whereas United States is a single country. I accordingly
reverted a number of edits to short descriptions from American ultra-low-cost airline
to Ultra-low-cost airline of the United States
but then
User:BilCat (who clearly has a strong opinion in the matter, refer to their user page) re-reverted. I do not feel strongly either way, but I would like to know if there is an official policy. Thanks,
Mr.choppers |
✎ 13:19, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion here and here that may be of interest to this wikiproject. (In summary, this concerns "matching" of enwiki short descriptions and wikidata item descriptions.) Cheers, Cl3phact0 ( talk) 17:07, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Editors might be interested in this WMF proposal to suggest machine-created draft short descriptions to Wikipedia app users: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#Volunteer_Opportunity:_Join_the_Machine-Assisted_Article_Descriptions_Project_for_the_English_Wikipedia_App!. I have encouraged the team to come here and discuss their ideas. I'm specifically concerned that they have made a choice to rename "Short descriptions" as "Article descriptions", which is not what they are known as here, and that they are applying a common approach to all languages which does't fit with our guidance. MichaelMaggs ( talk) 10:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Template:Surname is currently transcluding Category:Pages with short description instead of Category:Articles with short description. That category is slowly going to fill up with tens of thousands of name articles, but where has that change actually been made, and is it correct to do so? — Xezbeth ( talk) 06:38, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
{{#invoke:pagetype|main}}
showed the result is "page".
Johnuniq (
talk) 07:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
|dab=no
to the {{
pagetype}} invocation inside
Template:Short description. Or I see that
Template:Short description also has a |pagetype=
parameter that can be called from
Template:Surname. —
Mr. Stradivarius
♪ talk ♪ 13:06, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
We're also getting a small number of fictional characters with a similar problem, such as Duffy (Casualty) and Abby (The Last of Us). They use {{ Infobox character}}, recently tagged as being considered for merging. Certes ( talk) 23:34, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
[%w_%s]-%f[%w][Dd]isam[%w]-
. —
Mr. Stradivarius
♪ talk ♪ 02:06, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Recent changes to Module:Disambiguation mean that pages containing {{ dab}} or {{ disambiguation}} are now categorised as dabs, even if the template is commented out. I've removed a commented dab template from Interstate 90, which fixed its SD category. It was inserted to pretend to Popups that the article is a dab, to ease diversion of incoming links to subtopics such as Interstate 90 in Washington. There are similar commented templates in Interstate 10, Interstate 70, Interstate 95, U.S. Route 6, U.S. Route 24, U.S. Route 34, U.S. Route 36 and U.S. Route 50. Should I simply remove these, or would it be better to have the module check that the template is not commented out? Courtesy ping: NE2. Certes ( talk) 23:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Any idea why Haiku PackageInstaller currently has the locally-defined short description of 'Football club'? Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 19:55, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
The "See also" section of an article makes it blindingly obvious that the use of annotated links is one of the worst ideas ever:
After the dash some of these descriptions begin with a capital letter and some lower-case. How does one correct the discrepancy? By taking a few seconds to edit this section? No, you have to edit every one of the articles whose short descriptions appear here. And then someone comes along and adds another link. 98.61.211.100 ( talk) 00:39, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Why is Category:Articles with no short description empty? a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 10:46, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi. Can someone clarify how Category:Short description is different from Wikidata is being populated?l, please? I've checked the source code of Template:Short description but it doesn't seem to be doing it. fgnievinski ( talk) 04:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)