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I have just stumbled across this for the first time: consensus is that typos in the template namespace, unless they are very common, should remain as red links until they are fixed. This seems incredible to me: I understand leaving typos in talk pages and other discussion pages, but typos in the templates themselves? Anyway, I have a couple of questions: was this consensus the result of a discussion? If so, where? Can anyone give me an example of a template typo that should be (and has been) kept as a result of this guideline? St Anselm ( talk) 18:10, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
WP:RDEL#D8 states: "If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful." I had inserted "or refers to a subtopic of the main topic" but @ A smart kitten thought "this feels like a change that should be made by consensus, rather than boldly, as it widens one of the redirect guideline’s reasons for deletion." Fair enough. I was thinking of cases such as " Kefirah", a term which is not mentioned in the redirect's target page. (It might be related to another redirect, " Kofer", but don't get too hang up on this particular case.) As another example, if Wanda (character) existed as a redirect to Characters of the Mario franchise, it could be deleted, since that obscure character is not mentioned in the target article. fgnievinski ( talk) 02:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
WP:BLAR suggests it's good practice to add a short notice at the talk page of the target article
. Is there a template (e.g. simliar to {{
Merged-to}}) that we can use to satisfy this? ~
Kvng (
talk) 15:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Having project banners on talk pages of redirects like this, where the target of the redirect has a more comprehensive set of banners, seems pretty useless at best. Would it make sense for a bot to clean up banners in this sort of instance where the banner is present at the target's talk page? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 00:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Here. Still think these should be discussed at RfD, but I'll page a notice here instead. J 947 ‡ edits 21:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion § Improper disambiguation redirects. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
{{ R from alternative hyphenation}}, {{ R from alternative punctuation}}, and {{ R from alternative spacing}} all redirect to {{ R from alternative spelling}} and the template states that "This is likely to change in the future, so please use the more specific template names.". I am planning on going ahead and creating (or making edit requests to create) those rcats, however I wanted to mention it here per suggestion of @ Paine Ellsworth in case anyone disagrees with this change.
@ SMcCandlish I also wanted to ping you as you created {{ R from alternative hyphenation}}, even though it was back in 2012. ~ Eejit43 ( talk) 18:32, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion § RfC: enacting X3. — a smart kitten[ meow 18:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
The redirect Wikipedia:→ has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 6 § Wikipedia:→ until a consensus is reached. Nickps ( talk) 14:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
A talk page is just a regular page and can therefore also be a redirect. This is sometimes done when turning a page into a redirect and always done when moving a page since that also moves its talk page. Doing this during a move is fine in my opinion but in almost every other case, redirecting a talk page is a bad practice that should be discouraged. The reason is that if someone retargets one of the redirects but forgets to retarget the other, editors who wish to discuss the redirect will do so at the wrong place. Redirecting the talk page also provides no benefit in comparison with {{ talk page of redirect}} which already acts like a soft redirect that can update itself when its page is retargeted. So, my proposal is that we add this to WP:R or WP:TALK:
The talk page of a mainspace redirect should not be redirected unless that was the result of a page move or as specified in WP:TALKCENT. In all other cases, {{ talk page of redirect}} should be used instead.
Otherwise we end up with cases like Acts of God (book) where the page itself is a redirect to Acts of God (disambiguation) but its talk page redirected to Talk:Acts of God (novel) before I fixed it. Note that the utility of talk page redirects is much higher in other namespaces. Someone who looks up WT:R probably wants to end up here instead of discussing the redirect itself. So those should be allowed but people should still remember to keep them synced up (not likely that WP:R will ever change but other shortcuts might). I'd also be open to the idea of having a bot sync up such redirects automatically. Nickps ( talk) 13:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
If a subtopic is mentioned in the lead of a page of a larger topic, is there guidance on whether the redirect for the subtopic should be:
Some examples are:
— Bagumba ( talk) 05:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
I'd like to make WP:Wikimedia Design Style Guide point to https://design.wikimedia.org/style-guide, but I don't know of any prefix that goes to design.wikimedia.org. How can I achieve this? Sdkb talk 21:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
[[wmdoc:]]
is the interwiki code for doc.wikimedia.org
, so you could potentially do something like {{
soft redirect|wmdoc:codex/latest}}
. All the best, —
a smart kitten[
meow 23:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Redirect § Unclear talk page scopes. Sdkb talk 21:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:R to sports team has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 01:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:R from gap in series has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 01:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
I have noticed that there are books (often novels) with a main space article, and the sequels to the books do not have their own articles, but rather are mentioned in a section, often named "Sequels". The redirects for the sequels often redirect to the section.
The problem is, when the name of a sequel is typed into the search Wikipedia field, what comes up prior to hitting Enter and invoking the redirect is the short description of the main space article. It would be ideal if redirects were allowed to have short descriptions that would override the main space article short descriptions in such circumstances.
So for example, we have a novel Argentina Wanderings (1971) by Juan Smith. In the Sequel section are listed novels Brazil Wanderings (1972) and Chile Wanderings (1973). When we search for Chile Wanderings we get "Argentina Wanderings 1971 novel by Juan Smith" displayed before we hit enter. Ideally we should get "Chile Wanderings 1973 novel by Juan Smith". The redirect would then function the same.
What do you think? Is there already such functionality via a different means that I don't know about? If this is not the place to propose this where would be the right place?
Thanks Tfdavisatsnetnet ( talk) 15:51, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
{{
short description}}
can't go above the #REDIRECT [[...]]
as the redirection only works if the #redirect keyword is the very first thing in the page source. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk) 21:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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I have just stumbled across this for the first time: consensus is that typos in the template namespace, unless they are very common, should remain as red links until they are fixed. This seems incredible to me: I understand leaving typos in talk pages and other discussion pages, but typos in the templates themselves? Anyway, I have a couple of questions: was this consensus the result of a discussion? If so, where? Can anyone give me an example of a template typo that should be (and has been) kept as a result of this guideline? St Anselm ( talk) 18:10, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
WP:RDEL#D8 states: "If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful." I had inserted "or refers to a subtopic of the main topic" but @ A smart kitten thought "this feels like a change that should be made by consensus, rather than boldly, as it widens one of the redirect guideline’s reasons for deletion." Fair enough. I was thinking of cases such as " Kefirah", a term which is not mentioned in the redirect's target page. (It might be related to another redirect, " Kofer", but don't get too hang up on this particular case.) As another example, if Wanda (character) existed as a redirect to Characters of the Mario franchise, it could be deleted, since that obscure character is not mentioned in the target article. fgnievinski ( talk) 02:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
WP:BLAR suggests it's good practice to add a short notice at the talk page of the target article
. Is there a template (e.g. simliar to {{
Merged-to}}) that we can use to satisfy this? ~
Kvng (
talk) 15:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Having project banners on talk pages of redirects like this, where the target of the redirect has a more comprehensive set of banners, seems pretty useless at best. Would it make sense for a bot to clean up banners in this sort of instance where the banner is present at the target's talk page? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 00:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Here. Still think these should be discussed at RfD, but I'll page a notice here instead. J 947 ‡ edits 21:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion § Improper disambiguation redirects. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
{{ R from alternative hyphenation}}, {{ R from alternative punctuation}}, and {{ R from alternative spacing}} all redirect to {{ R from alternative spelling}} and the template states that "This is likely to change in the future, so please use the more specific template names.". I am planning on going ahead and creating (or making edit requests to create) those rcats, however I wanted to mention it here per suggestion of @ Paine Ellsworth in case anyone disagrees with this change.
@ SMcCandlish I also wanted to ping you as you created {{ R from alternative hyphenation}}, even though it was back in 2012. ~ Eejit43 ( talk) 18:32, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion § RfC: enacting X3. — a smart kitten[ meow 18:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
The redirect Wikipedia:→ has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 6 § Wikipedia:→ until a consensus is reached. Nickps ( talk) 14:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
A talk page is just a regular page and can therefore also be a redirect. This is sometimes done when turning a page into a redirect and always done when moving a page since that also moves its talk page. Doing this during a move is fine in my opinion but in almost every other case, redirecting a talk page is a bad practice that should be discouraged. The reason is that if someone retargets one of the redirects but forgets to retarget the other, editors who wish to discuss the redirect will do so at the wrong place. Redirecting the talk page also provides no benefit in comparison with {{ talk page of redirect}} which already acts like a soft redirect that can update itself when its page is retargeted. So, my proposal is that we add this to WP:R or WP:TALK:
The talk page of a mainspace redirect should not be redirected unless that was the result of a page move or as specified in WP:TALKCENT. In all other cases, {{ talk page of redirect}} should be used instead.
Otherwise we end up with cases like Acts of God (book) where the page itself is a redirect to Acts of God (disambiguation) but its talk page redirected to Talk:Acts of God (novel) before I fixed it. Note that the utility of talk page redirects is much higher in other namespaces. Someone who looks up WT:R probably wants to end up here instead of discussing the redirect itself. So those should be allowed but people should still remember to keep them synced up (not likely that WP:R will ever change but other shortcuts might). I'd also be open to the idea of having a bot sync up such redirects automatically. Nickps ( talk) 13:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
If a subtopic is mentioned in the lead of a page of a larger topic, is there guidance on whether the redirect for the subtopic should be:
Some examples are:
— Bagumba ( talk) 05:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
I'd like to make WP:Wikimedia Design Style Guide point to https://design.wikimedia.org/style-guide, but I don't know of any prefix that goes to design.wikimedia.org. How can I achieve this? Sdkb talk 21:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
[[wmdoc:]]
is the interwiki code for doc.wikimedia.org
, so you could potentially do something like {{
soft redirect|wmdoc:codex/latest}}
. All the best, —
a smart kitten[
meow 23:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Redirect § Unclear talk page scopes. Sdkb talk 21:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:R to sports team has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 01:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:R from gap in series has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 01:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
I have noticed that there are books (often novels) with a main space article, and the sequels to the books do not have their own articles, but rather are mentioned in a section, often named "Sequels". The redirects for the sequels often redirect to the section.
The problem is, when the name of a sequel is typed into the search Wikipedia field, what comes up prior to hitting Enter and invoking the redirect is the short description of the main space article. It would be ideal if redirects were allowed to have short descriptions that would override the main space article short descriptions in such circumstances.
So for example, we have a novel Argentina Wanderings (1971) by Juan Smith. In the Sequel section are listed novels Brazil Wanderings (1972) and Chile Wanderings (1973). When we search for Chile Wanderings we get "Argentina Wanderings 1971 novel by Juan Smith" displayed before we hit enter. Ideally we should get "Chile Wanderings 1973 novel by Juan Smith". The redirect would then function the same.
What do you think? Is there already such functionality via a different means that I don't know about? If this is not the place to propose this where would be the right place?
Thanks Tfdavisatsnetnet ( talk) 15:51, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
{{
short description}}
can't go above the #REDIRECT [[...]]
as the redirection only works if the #redirect keyword is the very first thing in the page source. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk) 21:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)