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I moved this this recently-created article twice:
I'm confused about the difference between Tirupur and Tirrupur. Please help.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anna Frodesiak ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I have one a major reconstruction of the top importance article National symbols of India, and look to nominate it for GA or FA, please give some suggestions. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 09:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused with Majlis-e-Ahrar-ul-Islam and Ahrar Party (India). They seem quite identical, but is this the same subject? The editor who wrote them also wrote Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam which got redirected. He refuses to discuss anything with anyone so I can't ask him. -- Muhandes ( talk) 18:46, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
I am sure that I have seen examples of separate articles for a district and for the principal city of that district. I know for sure that it happens at a higher level (eg: Delhi & NCR). Is there any policy/guideline regarding this in the context of India? - Sitush ( talk) 11:28, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi. :) Some of you know me as User:Moonriddengirl. I'm not here in that capacity, though, but as one of my assignments under my contract for the Wikimedia Foundation, as its temporary community liaison. I've been asked to talk to a few projects and see if I can inspire some self-assessment: WMF wants to know what you think you guys are doing well and what might be improved. It would also be good if we can get some dialogue going on how projects can help welcome and nurture newcomers interested in their areas. This information will be compiled into a report to help understand the dynamics of projects and also to generate ideas for best practices for other communities.
If you're willing, I'll set up a subpage so we can talk without overwhelming this one and keep the conversation concentrated in one area. That page will be included in my report to the WMF along with my summary of the conversation (which I will present for your approval before submitting).
Are you guys willing to chat? -- Maggie Dennis (WMF) ( talk) 12:28, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
( edit conflict) :No Maggie, I really meant it when I said let us go ahead with this. The signing up of the 1000 editors from Pune is good news already. The Wikimedia Foundation is progressing in the right direction if they are serious about expanding in India. A discussion of this nature can help us identify catalysts that will accelerate these efforts. Furthermore, you will get feedback from people who cannot or do not want to attend meetups and the upcoming conference in Mumbai. I look forward to the self-assessment. Zuggernaut ( talk) 14:51, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your willingness to participate. I look forward to seeing what you all have to say. :) I will probably not become involved in the conversation, although I may remove misplaced comments (for example, there are no unregistered users on the list of members, so unregistered users should not be responding in the member sections). I don't want to influence the outcome, but would rather just let you all express your own opinions. I typically will return when the conversation is quiet for a few days to make sure I clearly understand the global view.
Since you are the first project I've approached with concerns that the conversation itself could become disruptive, though, I will be following it more closely than I usually do. I would hope that semiprotection will not be necessary, but it would be poorly done of me to launch a conversation that interferes with your work and then just leave it to interfere. I'll try to take what steps seem necessary to make sure that doesn't happen. -- Maggie Dennis (WMF) ( talk) 11:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Got a question about two articles Bilaspur, Uttar Pradesh and Bilaspur, Rampur bih articles say they are in Rampur District, Uttar Pradesh. So are they about the same city or is there two towns with same name in same district? Gman124 ( talk) 14:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
The article Shivaji could use some more Watchers and experienced editors to keep an eye on it. Even if they cannot invest time in expanding or improving it, help in limiting vandalism, uncited additions, sections blanking, etc. would be great. The article averages 1,800 hits per day, so even relatively brief disruptions are seen by many readers.
My understanding is the Shivaji is among the most famous of figures in the history of Maharashtra and of the Maratha community, so the article is both popular and also subject to POV pushing from one side or the other, and even some good-faith attempts to balance it have fared poorly due to their editors being unfamiliar with Wikipedia conventions. Ideally, it'd be great to keep this as a comprehensive, well-referenced, and well-illustrated article, and one that refrains from glorifying or attacking Shivaji. My outsider's reading is that a good chunk of the article, if the verbiage is calmed down a bit, shouldn't be too controversial, and those controversies currently fought over (primarily his ethnic origin) could be at least partially defused by a good section detailing the different narratives. These fixes will not stop the ongoing IP tampering (whether vanadlism or clumsy good faith), but more watchlisters will help.
Thanks for any support in minimising damage to this very prominent article. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 19:41, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Anna Hazare tops the list at 1.2 million hits last month. Top 100 most viewed articles in August 2011 are listed here. — Ganeshk ( talk) 02:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
I need your help in dealing with this article. The principal author claims that "Naimisaranya is a Divya Desam in Pandya Nadu and that the temple is built in the Dravidian style of architecture. The map in the infobox shows Uttarakhand while the section "Location" claims that the place is located 45 kilometres from Lucknow in Uttar Pradesh. Now, Lucknow is quite a far distance from Uttarakhand border definitely over 45 kilometres. I guess, in this case, either three different places have been integrated into a single article or part of the article is a hoax.- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 04:41, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
As many of you are aware, the Wikipedia India Education Program works with teachers and students to encourage Wikipedia in the classroom. The basic idea is that teachers ask their students to edit Wikipedia articles instead of submitting traditional reports, assignments, etc.
It's running majorly in 2 colleges in Pune (Symbiosis School of Economics and College of Engineering Pune). We already have over 1000 students enrolled from just these 2 colleges. Most of these students have gone through one or more out of a total of 35 introductory, basic editing and refresher sessions conducted by Campus Ambassadors.
It’s good to see big numbers but I thought I’ll also share with you some articles that the students have been working on. It’s really inspiring to see their progress!
These is still some way to go on these articles but I think they are fantastic starts! The 5 users and articles above are just illustrative. You can also track progress of the entire program here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INDIAEDU
Please do reach out to the students (not just the one's listed above) and offer help and encouragement. Please do help them out on their articles as well. While they have been trained, they're going to need a lot of support because they are almost entirely newbies. Please do also leave kind words for the Campus Ambassadors. They've been doing amazing work!
Nitika.t ( talk) 15:54, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Category:Former pupils by secondary school in India and its various sub-categories have been nominated for renaming to a consistent form. The discussion is here. Timrollpickering ( talk) 01:27, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
WP:INEI invites your help on standardisation of Lists of institutions of higher education in states -- naveenpf ( talk) 02:52, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Be Online Ambassador for India Education Program please fill the form [4]. To know more about Online Ambassador program Online Ambassadors India Education Program -- naveenpf ( talk) 11:08, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Is http://sangwanparivar.com/ a reliable source? Non-English & so I thought that I would try here rather than at WP:RSN. - Sitush ( talk) 16:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Are these traditions unique to the "Andhra Kshatriya" class, or is this article just describing standard Hindu rituals they follow? The term itself seems a little in dispute too. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 21:51, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Iam pretty new to wikipedia and i usually fix minor edits and try to get the quality of articles upto the standards, but this particular article seems a formidable challenge could any semi experienced wikipedian help me out? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karkala Djds4rce ( talk) 04:46, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
The article on Pambar River says that the river originates in Kerala and joins the Kaveri River at Karur while according to this source, the Pambar river formed the boundary between the Thanjavur Maratha and Ramnad kingdoms. Now, both Thanjavur and Ramnad are situated far to the east of Karur and if the Pambar flows into Tamil Nadu in an easterly direction from Kerala, it is not possible that the same river forms the boundary between the two kingdoms if it had already merged with the Kaveri. I need some clarification on this.- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 18:07, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I ran across Foreign Education Provider Bill in India while doing NPP you can help!. It looks like it may be a useful article, but I don't even know where to start to fix it up. So I thought I'd bring it to your project's attention. Cheers. → ROUX ₪ 20:04, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I feel there's a need for creating a new series of templates for welcoming new editors who are interested in India related articles. A new and simple template ({{ Welcome-India}}) was recently developed based on the generic {{ Welcome}} template. From the discussions at the talk page of the new template and recent discussions elsewhere, I feel we can develop at least five other templates:
Feedback, comments and suggestions for other new templates are welcome. IF there is sufficient interest, I will also post a message to the Welcoming committee so we can utilize their experience in developing such templates. Zuggernaut ( talk) 03:37, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Looked at various WikiProject charts, and here are the overall article numbers by national Projects:
Arguing what's over/under-representative is tricky. Should it ideally be proportional by population? That doesn't sound right, but much any other measure ("how much important stuff happens there?") would be extremely subjective. In any case, suffice to say that the United States is over-represented, which is not surprising considering its large population of computer-owning English speakers, and massive media and publishing output that makes it easy to Google up info and create articles. At 88K, India is certainly no slouch, and well ahead of many non-Anglophone Western European countries. Could India have better coverage, both in academia and on Wiki? Indubitably. However, chronic underrepresentation is not necessarily accurate. I'd say a far more serious issue facing WP:INDIA is a large number of low-quality articles (particularly populated areas, and some popular-culture topics). Personally, I address communitatrian-sectarian POV/CoI issues, but I'd argue even those take a back-seat to poor sourcing. Now, the lack of sourcing in some areas points to Endemic Bias amongst scholars, publishers, and scanners, which results in just simply not enough info on India topics being easily available to Wikipedia editors, so while WP suffers from that larger EB, I don't think it's the epicentre thereof.
Forgive the long reply, but just wanted to get the stats out. I submit that EB would be a good issue to address, and maybe even a WP:INDIA suggested policy document could be drafted, but having it in the welcome template (especially with the contentious term "underrepresented" which is wikilinked to WP:Endemic bias) is not conducive to a healthy start at WP:INDIA. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 15:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Found another; perhaps we could start a sub-page somewhere in the project to list photo resources that could be mined for Public Domain photos? The following are from a series of 1868-ish British publications. I'm unclear as to UK copyright laws, but is it safe to guess that photos in an 1877 book are fair game?
The people of India: A series of photographic illustrations, with descriptive letterpress, of the races and tribes of Hindustan, originally prepared under the authority of the government of India, and reproduced by order of the secretary of state for India in council
There should be some good ethnographic pics of various castes/jatis in there, so I'll go perusing. Anyone else support having a resource page somewhere on the project for places to find images? MatthewVanitas ( talk) 15:56, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
A move discussion is initiated to move the articles back to their original names at Talk:House_of_the_People_(India)#Requested_move -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:39, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi folks. I see a lot of clearly notable articles about Indian cinema (and related topics) get declined because the reviewers aren't familiar with the topic area. So I thought I'd put this latest one up here, even though to me it looks non-notable, to see if anyone can make sense of the mess of links and so forth and establish if there's more to it than there seems to me. User:Csbalaw/Nawin Seetharaman. Apparently a lot of the material is in either Tamil or Hindi. Thanks very much! -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 18:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I've started cleanup at Kallar (caste), and like a few other Tamil castes this is one where the British "criminal" tribes/castes designation comes up. It had been very subtle in the article itself, mostly coming up in years-long edit wars about whether the very word kallar means "thief". That said, some glancing around showed the British did indeed label these folks as a class of bandits. However, there's some great more modern research (by Indians and non-Indians) arguing that the British were labeling rather legitimate taxation and sovereignty measures as "banditry" in an ongoing process of delegitimising non-British authority in the region. I still think it's valid to mention the British's accusations, but through 3rd-party research, and in the context of the fact that the British certainly had their own incentives; as the American saying goes "don't steal, the Government hates competition."
It's an interesting subject, and the subject of the Kallar is well-covered with some good books in Preview mode on gBooks where you can read goodly portions of it. Just wanted to broach the issue of how best to neutrally describe "criminal" castes and their modern rebuttals to British chroniclers, and to invite over anyone else interested in some cleanup on South Indian caste articles. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 20:18, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Under the letter S in Villages in Karjat taluka, there details of Shinde really need cleaning up. Chris857 ( talk) 23:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Could someone answer the question in this move request? Thanks. -- regentspark ( comment) 20:35, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
There appears to be a student project adding articles about temples in Bhubaneswar. Those of you who patrol User:AlexNewArtBot/IndiaSearchResult might have already noticed a number of temple-related articles created by newbies.
The group hasn't announced itself, but RHaworth has created a list of users who appear to be part of this effort at Wikipedia:Bhubaneswar temples project. Several of the articles created by these users are tagged for cleanup, while most of the articles for creation requests by them have been denied because they don't satisfy Wikipedia's guidelines.
Please go through the contributions of these users and help fix/clean-up the articles created by them. utcursch | talk 12:50, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Can someone please take a look at the article Nedumpally. 218.248.72.195 ( talk · contribs) -- same as Ashleypt ( talk · contribs) -- has added a huge chunk of text about Indus Valley Civilization, Aryans, Dravidians etc. in the article. This text has no direct connection to the topic of the article. He also keeps removing {{ citation needed}} tags for claims like "one of the earliest and largest families" and "have reached Kerala from North India after 1000 BC". Many of the references cited are from Wikipedia pages or unreliable sources (e.g. geocities/angelfire pages).
I've express my concerns about the article at Talk:Nedumpally#Irrelevant_information. The anon user keeps reverting my edits without addressing any of these concerns ( here's the last revert).
Since I was involved in editing the content, I don't want to start an edit war or block the user. It'd be nice if someone else can mediate. utcursch | talk 15:11, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm having a few problems in explaining Wikipedia policies and guidelines to User:Ssriram mt. The user has been violating some of Wikipedia's policies and not heeding my advice.
For example, consider the following articles which the user had created.
When I moved this articles to "Taamaraiyaal Kelvan Perumal Temple" and "Purushotama Perumal Temple" explaining that the name in the infobox should be the same as the subject of the article, the user had reverted it back. Now, I need some help and also some expert opinion on what the name of the article should be.- The Enforcer Office of the secret service
The article Dera Sacha Sauda was previously full of a bunch of propaganda, including literally saying something like "You are always welcome to visit the holy premises of the Dera!" Myself and a few others did a big cleanup, removed primary sources (except for quoting the org about its mission statement, etc). There were some anti-DSS folks who pushed it a little too far getting vivid about accusations of misdeeds by the organistion (which even the US Congress has referred to as a "cult"), but we trimmed those down to be more factual, and tried to make sure that one particular news agency's exposes didn't get undue.
Now we have an editor who's been going into this article, and that of DSS's leader Ram Rahim Singh, and is removing mentions of the actual court cases (but leaving the cites) and modifying the section start: "In the 2000s, the organisation received attention due to several controversies involving its leader, Saint Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Ji Insan which were earlier found false and a paid conspiracy." He's backed off slightly from removing all the details, and from claiming that "all" (there are many cases) were dismissed. However, I'm concerned that overall he's trying to sanitise DSS and Singh's reputations on wiki, and frankly a look at a variety of RSs seems to indicate the group and figure are viewed rather skeptically. I would appreciate any help in finding some balance to ensure the article is neither sanitised nor a scandal-page, and feedback as to whether User:Vikas.insan ( who is a DSS SPA might not be fully good-faithing. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 17:00, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello, yes, I am Belugaboy of the Wikipedia Signpost's WikiProject Report desk, and your upcoming interview for November will be conducted by me. We shall start with the questions approximately two weeks before Halloween, but right now, I need information on the project itself. For example, what month of what year it was started, the number of FAs and GAs it has under its scope, any Featured Pictures would be appreciated, as well as a list of the most active members. What else, ah, yes, it will be published on the 14 of November, so we have plenty of time. Please respond on or before 30 September, as I have real life matters to attend to myself. Warm regards, Beluga boy cup of tea? 01:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
The end of all vedic sanskrit lierature, its terminus ante quem is not 150 BCE as noted in Wikipedia, but it extends down to 1500 AD. Please refer to Cambridge History of India, volume I, 1987, edited by EJ Rapson, published by S. Chand & Company Limited, Ramnagar, New Delhi-110055. It gives us the last date of addition of custom of sati (widow-burning)as 1500 AD in its footnote. Please see its page 96, line 18 with its footnote. It states: "Rigveda is innocent of widow burning .... The direct authority for the custom .... owes its existence to a daring forgery of quite a modern date. And then in its footnote, it states: see Wilson, J.R.A.S., Vol. XVI, pp. 201 sq. ; Fitzdward Hall, J.R.A.S, ns. vol. III, pp.183-92, who traces it to Raghunandana (1500 AD).
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Farooq alvee ( talk • contribs) 07:51, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm going through the caste articles one-by-one to see which have been tampered with ( Pasi (caste) had to be rolled back to a version almost a year old), need ce or unref tags, are mis-cat, belong in a larger umbrella cat, etc. In that process, I'm also noting those article which don't have the caste name in their local-language spelling. I'd like to compile them all here, and if folks know the spelling, please add it to the article or the list (indicating which language it is if necessary); if you add it to the article, please do add it or check it off the list so somebody else doesn't spend time on it. Thanks for any help. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 17:01, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
This page needs some serious cleanup. Chris857 ( talk) 17:51, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
The recent edits of this article are a mystery to me; perhaps someone with a knowledge of the area could have a look ( Crusoe8181 ( talk) 09:39, 28 September 2011 (UTC)).
i was thinking to organise a one day seminar over wikipedia at our college campus before wikiconference to introduce wikiconference in INDORE and to aware the students of central india with wikipedia concept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avitesh ( talk • contribs) 15:15, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Varna status...ah, what a painful topic. Here's what little I know: with the exception of one editor I've encountered so far, everyone seems to agree, in general, that varna status is complicated. Everyone seems to agree that, legally speaking, varna status has no validity in post-independence India, though most (but not all) editors seem to agree that there is still a lasting legacy. As MatthewVanitas pointed out on Talk:Lodhi, obviously it still matters to some people, at least in so far as they take a lot of effort to make sure that the article on their own group clearly and aggressively includes "kshatriya" claims. In dozens of articles, editors are fighting about exactly what references are needed to verify what status a given group has, especially in contested cases (which is, well, a lot of them).
A month or two ago, I believe that a fairly decent consensus was achieved to remove varna status from Infoboxes (and the hard-coded infoboxes that many of these articles use), simply because it's too complicated to be covered there (though I don't think that "decision" has actually been implemented everywhere). More recently, there has been some discussion about whether or not varna status should be mentioned in the article lead. Basically, the same arguments have been proposed as for the template--that varna status is far too complicated to be summarized in one or two sentences, and that often when citations are used, they don't present the whole picture or, in our attempt to summarize an issue, we start to brush up against WP:SYNTHESIS. Myself, I'm not fully convinced either way, but I thought that a centralized discussion here might help us see if there is any sort of general consensus on the issue. I considered making this an RfC, but I think we can keep it "in house" for the moment, as I'm not really trying to set a "rule" as much as I am to get a discussion going on how to handle this difficult issue.
So, what do others think? Should we remove all mentions of varna status from the leads of all such articles (note, of course, that this means removing both Shudra and Kshatriya claims from the lead)? Should we remove it in all cases, except where there is a clear consensus to include? Should we remove it in all cases, except where there is no dispute whatsoever (if someone knows of a good example, please point it out)? Or is there really no way to set an over-arching rule that applies to the entire category of articles? Qwyrxian ( talk) 00:08, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
While I don't disagree with the comments above, I don't think we need new policies to deal with this issue. If a Varna status is clear and unambiguous, then there is nothing wrong with including it in an infobox or elsewhere. The fact that the Indian government has outlawed these sort of distinctions has no bearing on wikipedia. If a Varna status is ambiguous, then we don't state it, unless the the ambiguity itself is worth noting (i.e., reliable sources discuss the ambiguity). If two reliable sources say different things, "X is a Y" and "X is a Z", then we say something along the lines of "Sources differ on whether X is a Y or a Z, (ref1) (ref2)". If there is a controversy amongst editors about the status, then examining the reliability of sources ( WP:RSN is good resource for that) and the normal consensus seeking and dispute resolution mechanisms are perfectly capable of dealing with that controversy. Removing Varna status entirely makes little sense since, apparently, that is what distinguishes these social groups. -- regentspark ( comment) 13:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
(Copied, more or less, from my post at Talk:Lodhi. Don't have more time.) This seems to be an especial problem with tilling and herding castes, such as Kurmi, Kachi, Koeris, Ahirs, Gwalas, Lodhis, .... For the Lodhi, for example, both the shudra classification by the British and the assertions of kshatriya past by the Lodhis themselves should be discussed in as much detail as is appropriate in a separate section. I don't really even object to them being in the lead, but only if they appear as the summary of the article that the lead is supposed to be. (As it was, they were appearing only (or primarily) in the lead. I do understand though that "shudra" was put in there as a response to the vacuous claims of Kshatriya origins by various IPs and SPAs.) As I see it, from a reading of the Baylys, primarily Susan, but also Christopher, many of the agricultural and pastoral castes were more or less outside the formal varna system and had remained so for many centuries. They were considered non-patrician (or non-elite or middle-to-low caste) social groups, but more crucially, clean. In other words, the twice-born, primarily the Brahmins, could have non-polluting interaction and dealings with them (buy their wheat or milk, drink water served by them, etc.). When in the mid-19th century, the patrician groups, for economic reasons, began to downgrade these groups, the groups reacted by claiming twice-born (mainly Kshatriya) status. All sorts of "founder myths" began to appear soon thereafter. Unfortunately, from a social progress perspective, these non-partician groups didn't show the courage of the Satnamis or the Kabirpanthis or later of an Ambedkar, who were able to reject the caste system altogether; instead they took to claiming dubious upper-class origins. Everyone and their brother was soon claiming direct descent from the Sun or the Moon. In my opinion, this was especially tragic for the Kurmis, who were so much more admirable, in terms of their work ethic, than the shiftless Brahmin and Rajput farmers whose customs they were now endeavoring to adopt. It did, however, give them political and economic power in the century to follow. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
As JanetteDoe pointed out above, this has been going on for a good 4 months now at caste articles like Nair, Ezhava, Kurmi, Yadav, Lodhi, Kayastha, etc. The conversations at many of these articles have centered around the same Shudra issue. The behavioral pattern here has been something like "if the IPs add WP:PEACOCK stuff to articles then we are going to respond by adding stuff in the lead (even though the article bodies have near-zero content on the topic and by completely ignoring WP:LEAD which clearly states that the lead is supposed to be a summary of the article) reminding readers that they are Shudras (a loaded term that is potentially libelous) first and foremost. Clearly this is not the way to respond to drive-by IPs.
Nobody is condoning or is likely to condone the the edits of the drive-by IPs whose aim is to make their own caste people look better. We have policies to deal with these IPs. However an experienced editor, User:Sitush, does seem to have a behavioral problem in this area of Indian castes and if anyone proposes a topic ban, I would be the first one to support it. Zuggernaut ( talk) 13:36, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I've had many a productive collaboration with User:MatthewVanitas, two examples of which can be found in the history of this page ( [5], [6]). However the environment has been poisoned ever since User:Sitush entered the fray with his reactionary and emotional edits, which have ignored basic Wikipedia policies for months and months. While I did propose a new guideline/poilicy above WP:BLC on the lines of WP:BLP, I feel it might be an overkill now since I discovered WP:BLPGROUP today. WP:BLPGROUP could have been applied to Sitush's as well as to the IP edits. I am surprised why it wasn't done so.
I agree with Utcursch's overall spirit but formal resolution methods are too time consuming for people who can spare only a few minutes in an editing session. Regarding Ambedkar, he died more than half a century ago so his book is hardly recent content. Indians do not use and have not used these terms for generations now so we need recent/modern sources using these terms to substantiate the claim. Also, the article on Dr. Bhimrao Ambedkar (still a virgin article, untouched by Sitush), simply states his caste, the Mahars (also a virgin article), and moves on to discuss his many accomplishments. Compare this with articles like Barrack Obama, African-Americans, United Negro College Fund, etc and you might start appreciating where the term can and cannot be used. Not entirely unrelated is the fact that The National Commission for Scheduled Castes, after consultation with the legal department, has asked the state governments not to use the word ‘Dalit’ in official documents, saying the term was ‘unconstitutional’. [7] Zuggernaut ( talk) 05:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Let me start with the dog controversy itself as utcurschhas pointed out . sitush has used sadhashivan as reference in both nair page & ezhava page. sadhashivan is a ezhava himself and a glorifier of his own community [please read the book to see more ridiculous clams] . ezhavas because of there new found status & power after independence and eradication of feudal system in kerala wants to be known as superior race [there are lots of credible sources to show that they where basically toddy tappers | http://www.iias.nl/iiasn/28/IIASN28_28_2.pdf].So ezhava historians are working 24/7 to insert brand new history like sadhashivan is doing. they are simply calming kerala brahmins & nairs to be inferior & ezhavas chera kings. let this kind of reference be used in ezhava page only [as he represent that community]. why in nair page?? we have recommended sitush pretty high number of times to remove that statements as that dog statement itself is saying it is wrong. sitush is keeping it for his own fulfillment of ego. I also agree with the above senior editors that sitush is unfit for WP editing.I suggest removing him from Indian cast related topics. Sesshomaru666666 ( talk) 07:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Besides as far as i know ,according to WP law this dog sentence only represents small minority view & should not be in any article. So its ok to remove it right
sitush? & its really sad to hear terms like 'fed up' from such a senior editor.even though we differ in our oppinion its nothing personal.
Sesshomaru666666 (
talk) 09:30, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
This thread is deteriorating into gratuitous statements about editors rather than about content. MangoWong, your last statement above is completely off the wall and I suggest you strike it out. For the rest, please take any issues you have with a particular editor to WP:ANI, this is not the right forum for that sort of thing. -- regentspark ( comment) 12:20, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
AARRGGHHH!!!! Why is castism the only topic discussed in this Project? Just like how you haven’t paid attention to improve various other pages, why can’t you do the same with these when you have no knowledge and also sense to get a consensus with each-others?
Churches and Convents of Goa, a UNESCO World Heritage Site, doesn’t have the list of churches and convents in it. Garden City Bangalore doesn’t have list of gardens in it. Take a look at this shabby list;
List of hospitals in India. Mohammed Rafi’s page says he has sung “…4,516 Hindi film songs, 112 non-Hindi film songs, and 328 private (non-film) songs from 1945 to 1980.” Our list
List of Songs by Mohammed Rafi has only around 2000 songs. See these red links here
Padma Shri Awards (1954–1959). Even
2010–2019 list has red links.
Lets give you all a nice piece to read & understand.
Caste based on character. -
Animeshkulkarni (
talk) 14:57, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
ℳ, I was saying senior than I am, not in comparison with you guys .
ok back to topic.. MatthewVanitas it is not just a specific issue , its an overall issue in his[sitush] way of editing. He is too aggressive at the same time losses his cool fast. a few IPs pretending to be from a community comes & calls him names, Hes totally against that community he is editing. He puts what ever things to make them looks bad. Thats not right!. Another thing is you can add all the datas you wanna say about a community but you can do it with out hurting community members feelings with well selected words. sitush is just causing trouble by placing controversial things in ledge itself!. He is asking for trouble & when he gets it he is already 'fed up' with everything. One example of his edit is nair page , Am sure every one here will agree nairs were nobles had previlages & considered as an upper cast,only below namboothiri brahmins & kshatria kings. But when you read the page sitush has created you may even start to think this guys should have got SC reservation! This flipping of social status happens in lots of sitush articles especially when some IPs are troubling him. I will have to say he is not mature enough to deal with cast related topics which require verry good deal of sensitive handilings. Sesshomaru666666 ( talk) 03:37, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:International Society for Krishna Consciousness/Archive 1#Request Move. Elizium23 ( talk) 15:27, 29 September 2011 (UTC) Elizium23 ( talk) 15:27, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello All!! This category Articles which use Indian English has only 211 articles under it. Can this be merged with the Category:WikiProject India articles? The template that read "This article uses Indian English dialect and spelling. Some terms that are used in it differ from or are not used in British..........." can be added to the template of WikiProject India articles. - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 11:38, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
And.... What happened? - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 12:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Uuuhhh!!! Dead again! - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 14:52, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Recently in articles like Chennai, Bangalore, Ahmedabad, Mumbai etc, there have been edits where the party name of the leader was put after their name in the infobox. Since this is happening in all Indian articles, I thought I'll leave a note here. Also worthy of note is the article India, where party names are mentioned after the leader's name. My opinion is that party names should be included, as is done in United States. In any case, I think we should develop an India-specific guideline on this. Relevant diffs: [8], [9], [10], [11] etc. Lynch 7 16:26, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I came across some new pages on rail lines, and discovered an unholy mess with wikilinks (confusion between various spellings of Jayanagar, Jaynagar, Jainagar, and the 'other' Jayanagar (Limbini) .....)
So I fixed those links I found to be wrong, re-named a page, addid disambig links to three pages, and created a some disambig for the various spellings ...
Which has left a humungous list of links needing to be checked / fixed from the disambig pages! I really can't do all this myself (I'm only a poor new page patroller, not an India enthusiast)!
WikiPedia needs your help! Here's a list of the pages which need to be checked so make sure that the links are pointing to the correct place:
Many thanks, in advance for your help in tidying up. :o) Pesky ( talk … stalk!) 06:20, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
There has been a merge proposal for the Ahir, Yadav and Yadava articles. This could be quite significant. Discussion is at Talk:Yadava#Proposal_to_merge_articles_Yadav_.2C_Ahir_and_Yadava. - Sitush ( talk) 23:34, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm trying to figure out what happened after 1915 to E. W. Middlemast (recent DYK), Professor of Mathematics (1910–) and Principal (1915) of Presidency College, Chennai. He seems to have vanished off the face of the earth. Could some Wikipedian in Chennai call the College (preferably someone in the History department) and ask them if they have any information, especially something that can be cited? (Please also see Talk:E. W. Middlemast for some more info.) Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:38, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that. Thurston was a biological determinist (see quote from Susan Bayly in Kurmi#Eighteenth_and_nineteenth_centuries right after the picture gallery). Middlemast also wrote an article on Hinduism in some collection somewhere (I remember coming across). Fowler&fowler «Talk» 12:01, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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My Tea Kadai 03:27, 6 October 2011 (UTC)Hello Wikipedians, i have been reading Wikipedia articles about Indian religions frequently of-late. It came to my notice that the article on Ayyavazhi is heavily corrupted with fake, sub-standard and fake sources. Notwithstanding that the article says Ayyavazhi followers declare themselves as "Hindus", the article makes many attempts to project it as a separate religion (an example source: "The following morning and evening dailies calls Ayyavazhi as a separate religion.." and lists some Tamil newspapers - source#5). In Template:Religion_topics, it is listed as a separate religion amongst Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism and Sikhism. The article is heavily biased and many of the sources used are evangelist publications and tangential references to local Tamil dailies. The person/persons who have developed this article has shed a terrific amount of effort to fabricate this "fake" article.
If i had the time, inclination and the youth to reform the article, i would have done it myself. I just wanted to bring the above to the notice of active wikipedians. Thanks for listening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.170.105.241 ( talk) 17:53, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
I've proposed this article for deletion because it is completely unreferenced but so lacking in coherence and context that I cannot find any sources to verify the claims. Could someone check this out, perhaps using more appropriate search terms/spellings? I'm completely unfamiliar with the area. Voceditenore ( talk) 11:32, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
In case anyone cares about Wikipedia naming conventions. For my own part I will move to somewhere I feel I can contribute usefully. Crusoe8181 ( talk) 04:19, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
Found some strange categories added in Kiran Bedi. Someone do the needful. I dont know how to do.
- Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 15:00, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Request members to Kindly review, multiple issues on article Indo-Pakistani War of 1947, Thanks-- dBigXray ( talk) 22:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)-- dBigXray ( talk) 22:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya refers to "Yajaka Brahmans". I cannot find a suitable link for this Brahmin community and wonder if there may be alternate names (JNB was writing > 100 years ago) or if it is one of those groups that really has not yet got an article. Any ideas? - Sitush ( talk) 17:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
This article - Critical response to Adaminte Makan Abu can be merged to Adaminte Makan Abu. very redundant. 117.201.244.115 ( talk) 10:38, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
NOTE: As this topic deals with Indian cinema, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force should be the right forum to discuss this. I know that it is as good as dead. But thats the reason why it should be used. - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 16:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
the article Homi J. Bhabha (the architect of the Indian nuclear programme ) has also been changed by User:Ironboy11(now blocked After my complaints) with Original research. but his editings on these pages remain. Some one with expertise/interest can look to restore this and other India related articles that he has disrupted. Thanks-- dBigXray ( talk) 17:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC) field of the article = Indian nuclear program -- dBigXray ( talk) 17:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
I have sorted this article out by reverting his changes and will look further into any other India related articles he has edited. Thanks, GoldRock23( talk - my page - contribs) 15:55, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Would you like to weigh in at the discussion in Talk:India on some 40 odd images? I know that's a lot, but a simple Yes/No would be adequate. Of course, if you choose to comment at more length, it would be even better. The India page is now the second most-viewed country page (after the US) and the 15th page overall, so having a set of high quality representative pictures becomes even more imperative. Regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 17:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Is the Hindi work on Jat history written by Thakur Deshraj reliable? It is frequently cited in articles here but GScholar cites are minimal (that might be a language issue) and even GBooks does not demonstrate much useful support. I am a bit concerned about his own neutrality after reading the article on him: he appears to have been heavily involved in advocacy. - Sitush ( talk) 11:24, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. A warning: this might be a newbie question.
I'm cleaning up some district articles and came across a page -- Siwan district, Bihar -- which had very long passages with no citations (not an uncommon occurrence). So I decided to search for some phrases on the official site and, lo and behold, there was the "source". Time for some blanking. Here is the page before my scrub and this is what it looks like now.
So after finishing what I'd considered a job well-done, I then looked at the history to see who specifically had done this. But instead of finding one anonymous IP pasting a massive block at the same time, I saw it had been done incrementally by many IP addresses (though they may all be the same person). It then hit me: I would never consider a passage a copypasta job if it were found on a random site, because obviously it may have been copied from Wikipedia. But should I now lump district government sites into the same category? Was I therefore too rash in blanking these passages? And if it WERE originally written here, what should we do to passages like this, which don't contain any references and probably never will? I feel terrible deleting someone's hard work, but in a lot of these cases they're holding the article back.
Thanks for your advice; if you think I've gone too far I'll undo my latest revisions to that page. PhnomPencil ( talk) 15:58, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
there has been several instances of wp:POV, reference removal, wp:OR, section blanking etc on Indian articles. on articles like Operation Python, INS Khukri (1958), Sinking of PNS Ghazi, Operation Brasstacks, Operation Dwarka and others by lTopGunl ( talk) also known as Hassanhn5( talk) i also doubt an instance of Wikipedia:Sock puppetry because of similarity of lTopGunl ( talk) with (now blocked) User:Ironboy11 it needs to be checked though. Interested editors can look into these. regards-- dBigXray ( talk) 13:07, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I've recently tried to update the page Wikipedia:IND EDITS containing a list of top Wikipedians from India by number of edits. However, I found it extremely difficult to go beyond 50 and hence I stopped. I feel that, for maintenance reasons, it would be better if we reduce the list to the top 50 Wikipedians alone. Also, while there were few Indian Wikipedians with 1000+ edits when the list was created sometime in 2008-09, the same is not the case today. Your views on the same are welcome.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 03:25, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
User: Saravask has been adding images as he pleases without any discussion or consensus. Wikipedia policy states that major changes must be first discussed and agreed upon on the Talk page BEFORE they are implemented on the main page.
I left a message for him on his Talk page asking him to stop unilateral edits, I also made a section on Talk: India asking people to discuss image changes first. But he has continued to add images the way he feels.
These edits above are extremely disruptive. Wikipedia's policy is to discuss major changes before. User;Saravask has started an edit war by adding his images directly with no discussion. We need to stop such disruptive behavior. Can someone please help and make sure that the main India page does not get undiscussed image additions by User:Saravask? Nikkul ( talk) 04:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
I have been requested to present a three-minute update on Wikiproject India (as representing en:WP) at the WikiConference India 2011 in mid-November. Requesting suggestions as to what could be included and any points that may be added. If any one would personally like to volunteer to present this instead of me, that too is acceptable for consideration. AshLin ( talk) 03:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
A dispute is ongoing on the Hindu deities about the use of the word "deity" and "god" in the article and its replacement "avatar of Brahman". I request your comments - a third opinion - to reach a consensus as the discussion is just becoming a debate between two users. Thanks. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 17:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
I also request a second opinion for this debate as we're getting nowhere - Redtigerxyz keeps on altering stuff I've put in the article and adding the citation needed tag to everythig I've put in, even though it is all reliably sourced. Someone needs to come and sort this dispute out. Thanks, GoldRock23( talk - my page - contribs) 15:37, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
This discussion has concluded. Thanks, GoldRock23( talk - my page - contribs) 16:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
We need a second opinion in this discussion as Redtigerxyz seems to be contantly adding citation needed and RS tags to the corresponding section (which I created and wrote) in the article Hindu deities even though I have provided a source recommended by the British Educational Authorities for the study of Hinduism in major exams such as GCSEs and A-levels. I'm at a loss for what to do and how to respond. Please feel free to join this discussion - it requires little or almost no previous knowledge of the subject. Thanks, GoldRock23( talk - my page - contribs) 15:49, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
This discussion has concluded. Thanks, GoldRock23( talk - my page - contribs) 16:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello, there, my name is Belugaboy, and as you probably know (and you darn should), due to a huge matter in India around mid-November (that I cannot think of off the top of my head), the entire Wikipedia Signpost on 14 November will be dedicated to YOU as a project, and I have the honor of conducting your WikiProject report. I need some help from you, though. As I am not a participant of this project, (and due to my lack of Indian knowledge I have no intention of doing so in the forseeable future) I need information. I need the following data from participants of the project:
If you do decide you'd like to participate in the interview, the interview can be found here. Do NOT WORRY about the bottom where it says "Next week," I will fill that in myself after I get word from my colleagues.
Happy editing and good luck! Beluga boy cup of tea? 20:45, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
PLEASE respond on my talk page. Thanks! Beluga boy 'cup of tea? 20:58, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I saw a YouTube ad which shows the Mega drive being marketed in India:
So, was it released as the Mega Drive (I assume it's a yes since India is PAL, but I just wanna make sure) Which Indian company sold/distributed it, and what year? Thanks WhisperToMe ( talk) 20:10, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I seem to recall that there was discussion in the past about how to name cities in India...but I can't find anything other than a proposed set of conventions apparently deleted as a contribution by a banned editor. Do we have a current consensus? If yes, could someone point me to it? Either way, there is a proposal to move Hyderabad, India to Hyderabad, moving the current page to Hyderabad (disambiguation). My instinct tells me this is wrong, but I can't figure out why; it would help if regular WT:INDIA members commented on that requested move. Qwyrxian ( talk) 03:33, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Ram Swarup Joon is cited quite a lot across various articles but has minimal hits on GBooks and GScholar, at least under his full name. Using an alternative spelling garners only a few more references, viz. Ram Sarup Joon. Of course, the lack of hits may be in part because they simply have not filtered through Google's systems, although his major (and perhaps his only) work - History of the Jats - has apparently been in English translation for some time. That book is of course the one that has what appears to be a typo in the publisher's name: "Jaitly Painting [sic] Press".
My bs alarm has been ringing on and off for a while about this source, which seems sometimes to be used for POV-type statements. Is the person or the book reliable per the reliable sources policy? I ask here rather than at WP:RSN because of the subject-specific nature and the fact that apparently he originally wrote in Hindi. - Sitush ( talk) 09:52, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone provide sourcing/refutation for the statements at Red_aloe_vera#Assertions_of_medicinal_properties regarding usage of the plant in India? - Sitush ( talk) 14:14, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
There is currently a vote going on to decide the final images to be selected in the Demographics Image Rotation. Some new images were added to the pool. Please carefully see the new proposals and vote for your favorite images that best represent the people of India.
Please vote here.
Thanks. Nikkul ( talk) 05:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I am trying to promote the Kunbi article article to a GA level article and all help in knocking these off the todo list will be very helpul:
The same todo list is at the top of the talk page of the article. Zuggernaut ( talk) 03:59, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Kunbi received a few peer review comments which are logged at Wikipedia:Peer_review/Kunbi/archive1. Please feel free to fix the article per the peer review (most of them are minor copy-editing related fixes, disambiguation fixes, etc). Zuggernaut ( talk) 04:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm working on an article where the subject was Collector of Chotanagpur c. 1774 but I have a source from 1842 saying that he was appointed Collector of "Ramgur and Palamow" in 1776. No idea what Ramgur is but I suspect Palamow is Palamu. According to Chota Nagpur Division, Palamu is a unit within it - this would probably make his 1776 appointment a "demotion" to a smaller unit, but that doesn't sound right to me.
Have I got the wrong Chotanagpur or the wrong Palamow? - Sitush ( talk) 20:28, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Shouldnt this article be deleted??? - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 20:35, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
The India page is now the 15th most popular page on Wikipedia and the second-most among country pages. Earlier this year, it was successful in keeping its FA status after an FAR. However, since the FAR process doesn't really review the content of images, and only cursorily reviews the quality, it was felt that the community should do this. A drive is now on to improve both the quality and content of images in the various rotation templates of the page. Nominations are invited for high quality images with innovative content for the sports section. Please see the announcement for further details. Regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 00:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Is it permissible to add the provisional population totals provided by the Government of India here for census results? I'm asking this because we're working on taking GA-article on Tiruchirappalli to FA and I don't want to take any chances.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 16:29, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi All,
We are planning to conduct 20-30 wikiacademies across India as a part of projects 2011-12 from Wikimedia India Chapter with help of volunteers( http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Geographical_distribution_of_Indian_Wikipedians).
Chapter is inviting proposals to conduct Wikipedia Academies or Workshops (Wikiacademies) in colleges/schools/institutions if interested please create a proposal @ http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy#New_proposals or email us @ chapter@wikimedia.in
For more details :- http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy
Please spread the message and if you are willing you help in wikiacademy please do add your name @ http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Geographical_distribution_of_Indian_Wikipedians .
-- naveenpf ( talk) 01:22, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi! This article has been in bad shape for a quite a while. For some reason, it has also had a good amount of copyrighted text added by anonymous edits. It's in some sort of sweet spot where it's not important enough to have experienced editors improve it but important enough where readers feel that more information needs to be added. I think if the article's quality improves, less copyrighted text will be added to it. If any of you have time, I think it would be worthwhile to make some improvements. Thanks for your time. OlYeller21 Talktome 17:28, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
While looking for images for the India page sports section, I happened upon the link, Nawab of Pataudi. I was saddened there to read about the recent death of cricketer Tiger Pataudi, then discovered there that he has a son who is a Bollywood actor, and finally was perplexed there by the sentence, "Actor Saif Ali Khan was recently made the successive Nawab." Upon clicking on the actor's link, I found the startling sentence, "He is the tenth and present Nawab of Pataudi." The sentence was cited to a news report "Saif Ali Khan is now the 10th Nawab of Pataudi". The Times of India. 1 November 2011. Retrieved 1 November 2011.!
As some of you will know the titles, privy purses, and all official roles they had, were all abolished by the Government of India in 1967. Curious, I skimmed through some other Wikipedia pages of children or grandchildren of the defunct rulers. They too are playing at being royalty, on Wikipedia that is. Here is a sample:
I didn't look through the others, but I'm guessing that many are being incorrectly referred to as "Maharajas" or "Nawabs." This is the kind of issue, similar to caste-related issues, for which we may need some kind of a India-project consensus. Clearly they are not Maharajas or Nawabs in any sense of the word that the rulers of the princely states were. I look forward to some feedback. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:44, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:32, 6 November 2011 (UTC)The concept of rulership, with privy purses and special privileges unrelated to any current functions and social purposes, is incompatible with an egalitarian social order.
Royal titles ceased to be recognised by the Indian government in 1971. The title of Nawab and Maharaja are not recognised by the Indian government anymore. And rightfully so. We are a democracy and I am not under any misconception about me ruling any state or body of people. It's just a sense of tradition. As far as receiving the title and the ceremony from the villagers go, they are sentimental about tying the pagdi. Perhaps it is is something symbolic. And yes, I will be there for that. I have a lot of connection to Pataudi. I have spent a lot of time there and I love the place very much, but at no point, do I consider myself a Nawab.
I rest my case. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:12, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
As with formal royal offices around the world, the "symbolic" titles do exist in India though with no official sanction. The media loves to play up "royalty" - thus there will be no dearth of GNG for a person being referred to as a "maharaja" or "nawab". We shouldnt be removing all mentions of nawabs and maharajas. They should be covered in a way that makes it clear that the title is just a symbolic one - probably within quotes or using parenthesis.
Clearly they are not Maharajas or Nawabs in any sense of the word . I dispute this - they can clearly get the media to refer them as "maharajas" or "nawabs" and we shouldnt be whitewashing it out of the articles. Just make sure that the average reader knows that the title is self awarded and symbolic.-- Sodabottle ( talk) 16:39, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Another bogus article List of current Indian pretenders, a candidate for deletion. How are people getting away with making up this garbage? I wish I had more time. Where are the Situshes and MatthewVannitas when we need them. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:40, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
(od) I think we're losing the forest in this discussion. The way I see it, we have two contradictory points. First, that there is no such thing as a Nawab, in the sense of a prince, duke, king, or whatever. That is amply borne out by the sources provided by Fowler. On the other hand, the title 'nawab of pataudi' is in use and has been, sort of, applied to Saif Ali Khan. This is borne out by Shshshsh's sources, though, because they're showing up only at the time of the 'ceremony', I'm not sure if they have staying power. Wikipedia can certainly present contradictory points, that's why we're all here. My suggestion is that we mention the ceremony, that, after all, is the focus of the news articles, and link Saif Ali Khan to the chain of Nawabs without explicitly calling him the 'Nawab of Pataudi' or the '10th Nawab of Pataudi'. That way, the reader is well informed about his background and not fooled into thinking that Nawabs exist as titular persons today. I've made a rough attempt to do so in the article itself and welcome opinions. -- regentspark ( comment) 02:55, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Fowler&fowler «Talk» 23:09, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Some of the sources quoted by Fowler&fowler misrepresent both what happened in 1947 and the 1971 amendment to the constitution. In 1971 the privy purses were abolished and a new article (363A) was added which stated that the rulers "shall cease to be recognised". That did not abolish the princely titles, which had not been created by the Republic of India or its predecessor states and could not be abolished by it. The actual changes are as stated below. Moonraker ( talk) 01:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Following the death of his father, Saif Ali Khan was acclaimed
anointedthe Nawab of Pataudi by villagers of Pataudi State in deference to tradition, although the title carries no official or legal significance.
This is what regents has added to Saif Ali Khan article - not in the lead, but to the life section. I agree with this type of wording. -- Sodabottle ( talk) 15:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC) PS I've changed "anointed" to "acclaimed," as explained at the bottom of Talk:Saif_Ali_Khan#Nawab_of_Pataudi_.... Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:29, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm trying to find a 2001 census summary sheet for Kerala OBCs, similar to those for ST/SCs here. Basically interested in % of population, number of communities then classed as OBC, and analysis of religious beliefs. I cannot spot it on the censusindia website but surely it must be there somewhere. Can someone please double-check for me, while I go to the optician :( - Sitush ( talk) 14:20, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I have nominated Kolkata for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.)--- Jayanta Nath ( Talk| Contrb) 04:08, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
The FAR has been placed on hold to give time to editors to identify deficiencies and work on the article. Interested editors should check out the article and fa requirements to see if FA status is retainable. -- regentspark ( comment) 19:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Its amazing that the article http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Incredible_India&oldid=450099557 persisted from March to November 2011 with phrases like " Indian taxis and Autorickshaws are Incredible India but Indian traffic and driving style is not Incredible India." and " Indian weddings are Incredible India but bride burning and dowry is not Incredible India." 8 months? Seriously? I have rectified the article and added in relevant information about the Incredible India marketing campaign, but am afraid that the vandals will return. Tigerassault ( talk) 14:45, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
I am updating the Bhupen Hazarika article since after his death, but one editor is disrupting.
I am trying to resolve the dispute, but while doing so it might take some time and in the mean time the article will remain with wrong or incomplete information. Since after Dr Hazarika's death he is a topic of discussion in India and elsewhere and surely people will try/are trying wikipedia for information. So I want to sattel it quickly and update the article ASAP.
Please look at the discussion page of the article here and suggest how it can be settled in minimum time.
''''Prabhakar Sarma Neog'''' (
talk) 04:31, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Wikimedia projects have been active in India for a few years and the journey has been exciting. This has been made possible by the contributions of hundreds of Wikimedians across various Wikimedia projects, both Indian and non-Indian. WikiConference India 2011 is the first conference and largest congregation of Wikimedians in India across Wikimedia projects. The Wikimedia India chapter Executive committee believes it would be befitting to use this opportunity to recognize noteworthy contributions of some of the best contributors to our projects.
The objective of this recognition is to appreciate Wikimedians (contributing to India focused projects) from across Wikimedia projects and languages for their contributions. The purpose is as much to discover meritorious work and to highlight it as it is to provide a platform of recognition.
Though time is quite short (by midnight 13 16 Nov 2011 Indian Standard Time), I request that at least some meritorious people may please be nominated from editors who edit on India articles. This is not meant to be a competition but some kind of peer recognition of good work done.
The relevant link is here : http://wiki.wikimedia.in/NWR_2011
AshLin ( talk) 06:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
F&F's note above about List of current Indian pretenders caught my eye. I've left a note on that article's talk page, indicating that all of the information sourced to Genealogical Gleanings must be removed per WP:BLPSPS, and that a simpler solution may be to simply delete the article and begin it anew from sources that meet WP:BLP standards. Others may be interested in commenting there. Qwyrxian ( talk) 01:12, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
European Pretenders
How about this with the EX-king Constantine of Greece. The Greek public abolished the monarchy in a referendum in 1974 and yet his family still uses royal titles.
Jonathansammy ( talk) 21:37, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
RegentsPark has it right. The right to a hereditary title was indeed abolished, and has been interpreted to have been so by the reliable sources. "Titular" means "having the title and usually the honors belonging to an office or dignity without exercising the associated duties, functions, or responsibilities. (Webster's Unabridged)." The descendants of Indian princes were titular princes from 1947 to 1971. They are now officially nothing. If they drive around today in a car with license plate "Nabha 5" or "Patiala 1," they will get a ticket from the traffic cop. As RegentsPark might have said, Mr Khan is free to call himself Nawab of Pataudi, but so is the street corner Paan seller in Rangoon. They could, if they were notable for that, be reborn as Maharaja or Nawab, but only in (and no more than) the sense that Duke Ellington was a Duke, that Count Basie was a Count, that Gandhi was a Mahatma, or that Christ is King. The only difference is that reliable sources have noted the latter titles, and noted also that they were honorifics. The Indian princes, on the other hand, have been noted for little more than political impotence and degeneracy. They are usually the Nawabs of Broadie, Bawdy, and Gaudy. Naipaul got it right when he said, "Through generations of idle servitude they had grown to specialize only in style. A bogus, extinguishable glamour: in 1947, with Independence, they had lost their state, and Mrs. Gandhi in 1971 had, without much public outcry, abolished their privy purses and titles." Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:43, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Voting has now begun on the 48 images nominated for the India#Sport. Please go to Talk:India#Sports_section_images_selection to view the nominated images. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 02:36, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
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I moved this this recently-created article twice:
I'm confused about the difference between Tirupur and Tirrupur. Please help.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anna Frodesiak ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I have one a major reconstruction of the top importance article National symbols of India, and look to nominate it for GA or FA, please give some suggestions. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 09:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused with Majlis-e-Ahrar-ul-Islam and Ahrar Party (India). They seem quite identical, but is this the same subject? The editor who wrote them also wrote Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam which got redirected. He refuses to discuss anything with anyone so I can't ask him. -- Muhandes ( talk) 18:46, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
I am sure that I have seen examples of separate articles for a district and for the principal city of that district. I know for sure that it happens at a higher level (eg: Delhi & NCR). Is there any policy/guideline regarding this in the context of India? - Sitush ( talk) 11:28, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi. :) Some of you know me as User:Moonriddengirl. I'm not here in that capacity, though, but as one of my assignments under my contract for the Wikimedia Foundation, as its temporary community liaison. I've been asked to talk to a few projects and see if I can inspire some self-assessment: WMF wants to know what you think you guys are doing well and what might be improved. It would also be good if we can get some dialogue going on how projects can help welcome and nurture newcomers interested in their areas. This information will be compiled into a report to help understand the dynamics of projects and also to generate ideas for best practices for other communities.
If you're willing, I'll set up a subpage so we can talk without overwhelming this one and keep the conversation concentrated in one area. That page will be included in my report to the WMF along with my summary of the conversation (which I will present for your approval before submitting).
Are you guys willing to chat? -- Maggie Dennis (WMF) ( talk) 12:28, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
( edit conflict) :No Maggie, I really meant it when I said let us go ahead with this. The signing up of the 1000 editors from Pune is good news already. The Wikimedia Foundation is progressing in the right direction if they are serious about expanding in India. A discussion of this nature can help us identify catalysts that will accelerate these efforts. Furthermore, you will get feedback from people who cannot or do not want to attend meetups and the upcoming conference in Mumbai. I look forward to the self-assessment. Zuggernaut ( talk) 14:51, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your willingness to participate. I look forward to seeing what you all have to say. :) I will probably not become involved in the conversation, although I may remove misplaced comments (for example, there are no unregistered users on the list of members, so unregistered users should not be responding in the member sections). I don't want to influence the outcome, but would rather just let you all express your own opinions. I typically will return when the conversation is quiet for a few days to make sure I clearly understand the global view.
Since you are the first project I've approached with concerns that the conversation itself could become disruptive, though, I will be following it more closely than I usually do. I would hope that semiprotection will not be necessary, but it would be poorly done of me to launch a conversation that interferes with your work and then just leave it to interfere. I'll try to take what steps seem necessary to make sure that doesn't happen. -- Maggie Dennis (WMF) ( talk) 11:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Got a question about two articles Bilaspur, Uttar Pradesh and Bilaspur, Rampur bih articles say they are in Rampur District, Uttar Pradesh. So are they about the same city or is there two towns with same name in same district? Gman124 ( talk) 14:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
The article Shivaji could use some more Watchers and experienced editors to keep an eye on it. Even if they cannot invest time in expanding or improving it, help in limiting vandalism, uncited additions, sections blanking, etc. would be great. The article averages 1,800 hits per day, so even relatively brief disruptions are seen by many readers.
My understanding is the Shivaji is among the most famous of figures in the history of Maharashtra and of the Maratha community, so the article is both popular and also subject to POV pushing from one side or the other, and even some good-faith attempts to balance it have fared poorly due to their editors being unfamiliar with Wikipedia conventions. Ideally, it'd be great to keep this as a comprehensive, well-referenced, and well-illustrated article, and one that refrains from glorifying or attacking Shivaji. My outsider's reading is that a good chunk of the article, if the verbiage is calmed down a bit, shouldn't be too controversial, and those controversies currently fought over (primarily his ethnic origin) could be at least partially defused by a good section detailing the different narratives. These fixes will not stop the ongoing IP tampering (whether vanadlism or clumsy good faith), but more watchlisters will help.
Thanks for any support in minimising damage to this very prominent article. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 19:41, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Anna Hazare tops the list at 1.2 million hits last month. Top 100 most viewed articles in August 2011 are listed here. — Ganeshk ( talk) 02:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
I need your help in dealing with this article. The principal author claims that "Naimisaranya is a Divya Desam in Pandya Nadu and that the temple is built in the Dravidian style of architecture. The map in the infobox shows Uttarakhand while the section "Location" claims that the place is located 45 kilometres from Lucknow in Uttar Pradesh. Now, Lucknow is quite a far distance from Uttarakhand border definitely over 45 kilometres. I guess, in this case, either three different places have been integrated into a single article or part of the article is a hoax.- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 04:41, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
As many of you are aware, the Wikipedia India Education Program works with teachers and students to encourage Wikipedia in the classroom. The basic idea is that teachers ask their students to edit Wikipedia articles instead of submitting traditional reports, assignments, etc.
It's running majorly in 2 colleges in Pune (Symbiosis School of Economics and College of Engineering Pune). We already have over 1000 students enrolled from just these 2 colleges. Most of these students have gone through one or more out of a total of 35 introductory, basic editing and refresher sessions conducted by Campus Ambassadors.
It’s good to see big numbers but I thought I’ll also share with you some articles that the students have been working on. It’s really inspiring to see their progress!
These is still some way to go on these articles but I think they are fantastic starts! The 5 users and articles above are just illustrative. You can also track progress of the entire program here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INDIAEDU
Please do reach out to the students (not just the one's listed above) and offer help and encouragement. Please do help them out on their articles as well. While they have been trained, they're going to need a lot of support because they are almost entirely newbies. Please do also leave kind words for the Campus Ambassadors. They've been doing amazing work!
Nitika.t ( talk) 15:54, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Category:Former pupils by secondary school in India and its various sub-categories have been nominated for renaming to a consistent form. The discussion is here. Timrollpickering ( talk) 01:27, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
WP:INEI invites your help on standardisation of Lists of institutions of higher education in states -- naveenpf ( talk) 02:52, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Be Online Ambassador for India Education Program please fill the form [4]. To know more about Online Ambassador program Online Ambassadors India Education Program -- naveenpf ( talk) 11:08, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Is http://sangwanparivar.com/ a reliable source? Non-English & so I thought that I would try here rather than at WP:RSN. - Sitush ( talk) 16:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Are these traditions unique to the "Andhra Kshatriya" class, or is this article just describing standard Hindu rituals they follow? The term itself seems a little in dispute too. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 21:51, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Iam pretty new to wikipedia and i usually fix minor edits and try to get the quality of articles upto the standards, but this particular article seems a formidable challenge could any semi experienced wikipedian help me out? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karkala Djds4rce ( talk) 04:46, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
The article on Pambar River says that the river originates in Kerala and joins the Kaveri River at Karur while according to this source, the Pambar river formed the boundary between the Thanjavur Maratha and Ramnad kingdoms. Now, both Thanjavur and Ramnad are situated far to the east of Karur and if the Pambar flows into Tamil Nadu in an easterly direction from Kerala, it is not possible that the same river forms the boundary between the two kingdoms if it had already merged with the Kaveri. I need some clarification on this.- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 18:07, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I ran across Foreign Education Provider Bill in India while doing NPP you can help!. It looks like it may be a useful article, but I don't even know where to start to fix it up. So I thought I'd bring it to your project's attention. Cheers. → ROUX ₪ 20:04, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I feel there's a need for creating a new series of templates for welcoming new editors who are interested in India related articles. A new and simple template ({{ Welcome-India}}) was recently developed based on the generic {{ Welcome}} template. From the discussions at the talk page of the new template and recent discussions elsewhere, I feel we can develop at least five other templates:
Feedback, comments and suggestions for other new templates are welcome. IF there is sufficient interest, I will also post a message to the Welcoming committee so we can utilize their experience in developing such templates. Zuggernaut ( talk) 03:37, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Looked at various WikiProject charts, and here are the overall article numbers by national Projects:
Arguing what's over/under-representative is tricky. Should it ideally be proportional by population? That doesn't sound right, but much any other measure ("how much important stuff happens there?") would be extremely subjective. In any case, suffice to say that the United States is over-represented, which is not surprising considering its large population of computer-owning English speakers, and massive media and publishing output that makes it easy to Google up info and create articles. At 88K, India is certainly no slouch, and well ahead of many non-Anglophone Western European countries. Could India have better coverage, both in academia and on Wiki? Indubitably. However, chronic underrepresentation is not necessarily accurate. I'd say a far more serious issue facing WP:INDIA is a large number of low-quality articles (particularly populated areas, and some popular-culture topics). Personally, I address communitatrian-sectarian POV/CoI issues, but I'd argue even those take a back-seat to poor sourcing. Now, the lack of sourcing in some areas points to Endemic Bias amongst scholars, publishers, and scanners, which results in just simply not enough info on India topics being easily available to Wikipedia editors, so while WP suffers from that larger EB, I don't think it's the epicentre thereof.
Forgive the long reply, but just wanted to get the stats out. I submit that EB would be a good issue to address, and maybe even a WP:INDIA suggested policy document could be drafted, but having it in the welcome template (especially with the contentious term "underrepresented" which is wikilinked to WP:Endemic bias) is not conducive to a healthy start at WP:INDIA. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 15:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Found another; perhaps we could start a sub-page somewhere in the project to list photo resources that could be mined for Public Domain photos? The following are from a series of 1868-ish British publications. I'm unclear as to UK copyright laws, but is it safe to guess that photos in an 1877 book are fair game?
The people of India: A series of photographic illustrations, with descriptive letterpress, of the races and tribes of Hindustan, originally prepared under the authority of the government of India, and reproduced by order of the secretary of state for India in council
There should be some good ethnographic pics of various castes/jatis in there, so I'll go perusing. Anyone else support having a resource page somewhere on the project for places to find images? MatthewVanitas ( talk) 15:56, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
A move discussion is initiated to move the articles back to their original names at Talk:House_of_the_People_(India)#Requested_move -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:39, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi folks. I see a lot of clearly notable articles about Indian cinema (and related topics) get declined because the reviewers aren't familiar with the topic area. So I thought I'd put this latest one up here, even though to me it looks non-notable, to see if anyone can make sense of the mess of links and so forth and establish if there's more to it than there seems to me. User:Csbalaw/Nawin Seetharaman. Apparently a lot of the material is in either Tamil or Hindi. Thanks very much! -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 18:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I've started cleanup at Kallar (caste), and like a few other Tamil castes this is one where the British "criminal" tribes/castes designation comes up. It had been very subtle in the article itself, mostly coming up in years-long edit wars about whether the very word kallar means "thief". That said, some glancing around showed the British did indeed label these folks as a class of bandits. However, there's some great more modern research (by Indians and non-Indians) arguing that the British were labeling rather legitimate taxation and sovereignty measures as "banditry" in an ongoing process of delegitimising non-British authority in the region. I still think it's valid to mention the British's accusations, but through 3rd-party research, and in the context of the fact that the British certainly had their own incentives; as the American saying goes "don't steal, the Government hates competition."
It's an interesting subject, and the subject of the Kallar is well-covered with some good books in Preview mode on gBooks where you can read goodly portions of it. Just wanted to broach the issue of how best to neutrally describe "criminal" castes and their modern rebuttals to British chroniclers, and to invite over anyone else interested in some cleanup on South Indian caste articles. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 20:18, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Under the letter S in Villages in Karjat taluka, there details of Shinde really need cleaning up. Chris857 ( talk) 23:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Could someone answer the question in this move request? Thanks. -- regentspark ( comment) 20:35, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
There appears to be a student project adding articles about temples in Bhubaneswar. Those of you who patrol User:AlexNewArtBot/IndiaSearchResult might have already noticed a number of temple-related articles created by newbies.
The group hasn't announced itself, but RHaworth has created a list of users who appear to be part of this effort at Wikipedia:Bhubaneswar temples project. Several of the articles created by these users are tagged for cleanup, while most of the articles for creation requests by them have been denied because they don't satisfy Wikipedia's guidelines.
Please go through the contributions of these users and help fix/clean-up the articles created by them. utcursch | talk 12:50, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Can someone please take a look at the article Nedumpally. 218.248.72.195 ( talk · contribs) -- same as Ashleypt ( talk · contribs) -- has added a huge chunk of text about Indus Valley Civilization, Aryans, Dravidians etc. in the article. This text has no direct connection to the topic of the article. He also keeps removing {{ citation needed}} tags for claims like "one of the earliest and largest families" and "have reached Kerala from North India after 1000 BC". Many of the references cited are from Wikipedia pages or unreliable sources (e.g. geocities/angelfire pages).
I've express my concerns about the article at Talk:Nedumpally#Irrelevant_information. The anon user keeps reverting my edits without addressing any of these concerns ( here's the last revert).
Since I was involved in editing the content, I don't want to start an edit war or block the user. It'd be nice if someone else can mediate. utcursch | talk 15:11, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm having a few problems in explaining Wikipedia policies and guidelines to User:Ssriram mt. The user has been violating some of Wikipedia's policies and not heeding my advice.
For example, consider the following articles which the user had created.
When I moved this articles to "Taamaraiyaal Kelvan Perumal Temple" and "Purushotama Perumal Temple" explaining that the name in the infobox should be the same as the subject of the article, the user had reverted it back. Now, I need some help and also some expert opinion on what the name of the article should be.- The Enforcer Office of the secret service
The article Dera Sacha Sauda was previously full of a bunch of propaganda, including literally saying something like "You are always welcome to visit the holy premises of the Dera!" Myself and a few others did a big cleanup, removed primary sources (except for quoting the org about its mission statement, etc). There were some anti-DSS folks who pushed it a little too far getting vivid about accusations of misdeeds by the organistion (which even the US Congress has referred to as a "cult"), but we trimmed those down to be more factual, and tried to make sure that one particular news agency's exposes didn't get undue.
Now we have an editor who's been going into this article, and that of DSS's leader Ram Rahim Singh, and is removing mentions of the actual court cases (but leaving the cites) and modifying the section start: "In the 2000s, the organisation received attention due to several controversies involving its leader, Saint Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Ji Insan which were earlier found false and a paid conspiracy." He's backed off slightly from removing all the details, and from claiming that "all" (there are many cases) were dismissed. However, I'm concerned that overall he's trying to sanitise DSS and Singh's reputations on wiki, and frankly a look at a variety of RSs seems to indicate the group and figure are viewed rather skeptically. I would appreciate any help in finding some balance to ensure the article is neither sanitised nor a scandal-page, and feedback as to whether User:Vikas.insan ( who is a DSS SPA might not be fully good-faithing. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 17:00, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello, yes, I am Belugaboy of the Wikipedia Signpost's WikiProject Report desk, and your upcoming interview for November will be conducted by me. We shall start with the questions approximately two weeks before Halloween, but right now, I need information on the project itself. For example, what month of what year it was started, the number of FAs and GAs it has under its scope, any Featured Pictures would be appreciated, as well as a list of the most active members. What else, ah, yes, it will be published on the 14 of November, so we have plenty of time. Please respond on or before 30 September, as I have real life matters to attend to myself. Warm regards, Beluga boy cup of tea? 01:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
The end of all vedic sanskrit lierature, its terminus ante quem is not 150 BCE as noted in Wikipedia, but it extends down to 1500 AD. Please refer to Cambridge History of India, volume I, 1987, edited by EJ Rapson, published by S. Chand & Company Limited, Ramnagar, New Delhi-110055. It gives us the last date of addition of custom of sati (widow-burning)as 1500 AD in its footnote. Please see its page 96, line 18 with its footnote. It states: "Rigveda is innocent of widow burning .... The direct authority for the custom .... owes its existence to a daring forgery of quite a modern date. And then in its footnote, it states: see Wilson, J.R.A.S., Vol. XVI, pp. 201 sq. ; Fitzdward Hall, J.R.A.S, ns. vol. III, pp.183-92, who traces it to Raghunandana (1500 AD).
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Farooq alvee ( talk • contribs) 07:51, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm going through the caste articles one-by-one to see which have been tampered with ( Pasi (caste) had to be rolled back to a version almost a year old), need ce or unref tags, are mis-cat, belong in a larger umbrella cat, etc. In that process, I'm also noting those article which don't have the caste name in their local-language spelling. I'd like to compile them all here, and if folks know the spelling, please add it to the article or the list (indicating which language it is if necessary); if you add it to the article, please do add it or check it off the list so somebody else doesn't spend time on it. Thanks for any help. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 17:01, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
This page needs some serious cleanup. Chris857 ( talk) 17:51, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
The recent edits of this article are a mystery to me; perhaps someone with a knowledge of the area could have a look ( Crusoe8181 ( talk) 09:39, 28 September 2011 (UTC)).
i was thinking to organise a one day seminar over wikipedia at our college campus before wikiconference to introduce wikiconference in INDORE and to aware the students of central india with wikipedia concept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avitesh ( talk • contribs) 15:15, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Varna status...ah, what a painful topic. Here's what little I know: with the exception of one editor I've encountered so far, everyone seems to agree, in general, that varna status is complicated. Everyone seems to agree that, legally speaking, varna status has no validity in post-independence India, though most (but not all) editors seem to agree that there is still a lasting legacy. As MatthewVanitas pointed out on Talk:Lodhi, obviously it still matters to some people, at least in so far as they take a lot of effort to make sure that the article on their own group clearly and aggressively includes "kshatriya" claims. In dozens of articles, editors are fighting about exactly what references are needed to verify what status a given group has, especially in contested cases (which is, well, a lot of them).
A month or two ago, I believe that a fairly decent consensus was achieved to remove varna status from Infoboxes (and the hard-coded infoboxes that many of these articles use), simply because it's too complicated to be covered there (though I don't think that "decision" has actually been implemented everywhere). More recently, there has been some discussion about whether or not varna status should be mentioned in the article lead. Basically, the same arguments have been proposed as for the template--that varna status is far too complicated to be summarized in one or two sentences, and that often when citations are used, they don't present the whole picture or, in our attempt to summarize an issue, we start to brush up against WP:SYNTHESIS. Myself, I'm not fully convinced either way, but I thought that a centralized discussion here might help us see if there is any sort of general consensus on the issue. I considered making this an RfC, but I think we can keep it "in house" for the moment, as I'm not really trying to set a "rule" as much as I am to get a discussion going on how to handle this difficult issue.
So, what do others think? Should we remove all mentions of varna status from the leads of all such articles (note, of course, that this means removing both Shudra and Kshatriya claims from the lead)? Should we remove it in all cases, except where there is a clear consensus to include? Should we remove it in all cases, except where there is no dispute whatsoever (if someone knows of a good example, please point it out)? Or is there really no way to set an over-arching rule that applies to the entire category of articles? Qwyrxian ( talk) 00:08, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
While I don't disagree with the comments above, I don't think we need new policies to deal with this issue. If a Varna status is clear and unambiguous, then there is nothing wrong with including it in an infobox or elsewhere. The fact that the Indian government has outlawed these sort of distinctions has no bearing on wikipedia. If a Varna status is ambiguous, then we don't state it, unless the the ambiguity itself is worth noting (i.e., reliable sources discuss the ambiguity). If two reliable sources say different things, "X is a Y" and "X is a Z", then we say something along the lines of "Sources differ on whether X is a Y or a Z, (ref1) (ref2)". If there is a controversy amongst editors about the status, then examining the reliability of sources ( WP:RSN is good resource for that) and the normal consensus seeking and dispute resolution mechanisms are perfectly capable of dealing with that controversy. Removing Varna status entirely makes little sense since, apparently, that is what distinguishes these social groups. -- regentspark ( comment) 13:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
(Copied, more or less, from my post at Talk:Lodhi. Don't have more time.) This seems to be an especial problem with tilling and herding castes, such as Kurmi, Kachi, Koeris, Ahirs, Gwalas, Lodhis, .... For the Lodhi, for example, both the shudra classification by the British and the assertions of kshatriya past by the Lodhis themselves should be discussed in as much detail as is appropriate in a separate section. I don't really even object to them being in the lead, but only if they appear as the summary of the article that the lead is supposed to be. (As it was, they were appearing only (or primarily) in the lead. I do understand though that "shudra" was put in there as a response to the vacuous claims of Kshatriya origins by various IPs and SPAs.) As I see it, from a reading of the Baylys, primarily Susan, but also Christopher, many of the agricultural and pastoral castes were more or less outside the formal varna system and had remained so for many centuries. They were considered non-patrician (or non-elite or middle-to-low caste) social groups, but more crucially, clean. In other words, the twice-born, primarily the Brahmins, could have non-polluting interaction and dealings with them (buy their wheat or milk, drink water served by them, etc.). When in the mid-19th century, the patrician groups, for economic reasons, began to downgrade these groups, the groups reacted by claiming twice-born (mainly Kshatriya) status. All sorts of "founder myths" began to appear soon thereafter. Unfortunately, from a social progress perspective, these non-partician groups didn't show the courage of the Satnamis or the Kabirpanthis or later of an Ambedkar, who were able to reject the caste system altogether; instead they took to claiming dubious upper-class origins. Everyone and their brother was soon claiming direct descent from the Sun or the Moon. In my opinion, this was especially tragic for the Kurmis, who were so much more admirable, in terms of their work ethic, than the shiftless Brahmin and Rajput farmers whose customs they were now endeavoring to adopt. It did, however, give them political and economic power in the century to follow. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
As JanetteDoe pointed out above, this has been going on for a good 4 months now at caste articles like Nair, Ezhava, Kurmi, Yadav, Lodhi, Kayastha, etc. The conversations at many of these articles have centered around the same Shudra issue. The behavioral pattern here has been something like "if the IPs add WP:PEACOCK stuff to articles then we are going to respond by adding stuff in the lead (even though the article bodies have near-zero content on the topic and by completely ignoring WP:LEAD which clearly states that the lead is supposed to be a summary of the article) reminding readers that they are Shudras (a loaded term that is potentially libelous) first and foremost. Clearly this is not the way to respond to drive-by IPs.
Nobody is condoning or is likely to condone the the edits of the drive-by IPs whose aim is to make their own caste people look better. We have policies to deal with these IPs. However an experienced editor, User:Sitush, does seem to have a behavioral problem in this area of Indian castes and if anyone proposes a topic ban, I would be the first one to support it. Zuggernaut ( talk) 13:36, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I've had many a productive collaboration with User:MatthewVanitas, two examples of which can be found in the history of this page ( [5], [6]). However the environment has been poisoned ever since User:Sitush entered the fray with his reactionary and emotional edits, which have ignored basic Wikipedia policies for months and months. While I did propose a new guideline/poilicy above WP:BLC on the lines of WP:BLP, I feel it might be an overkill now since I discovered WP:BLPGROUP today. WP:BLPGROUP could have been applied to Sitush's as well as to the IP edits. I am surprised why it wasn't done so.
I agree with Utcursch's overall spirit but formal resolution methods are too time consuming for people who can spare only a few minutes in an editing session. Regarding Ambedkar, he died more than half a century ago so his book is hardly recent content. Indians do not use and have not used these terms for generations now so we need recent/modern sources using these terms to substantiate the claim. Also, the article on Dr. Bhimrao Ambedkar (still a virgin article, untouched by Sitush), simply states his caste, the Mahars (also a virgin article), and moves on to discuss his many accomplishments. Compare this with articles like Barrack Obama, African-Americans, United Negro College Fund, etc and you might start appreciating where the term can and cannot be used. Not entirely unrelated is the fact that The National Commission for Scheduled Castes, after consultation with the legal department, has asked the state governments not to use the word ‘Dalit’ in official documents, saying the term was ‘unconstitutional’. [7] Zuggernaut ( talk) 05:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Let me start with the dog controversy itself as utcurschhas pointed out . sitush has used sadhashivan as reference in both nair page & ezhava page. sadhashivan is a ezhava himself and a glorifier of his own community [please read the book to see more ridiculous clams] . ezhavas because of there new found status & power after independence and eradication of feudal system in kerala wants to be known as superior race [there are lots of credible sources to show that they where basically toddy tappers | http://www.iias.nl/iiasn/28/IIASN28_28_2.pdf].So ezhava historians are working 24/7 to insert brand new history like sadhashivan is doing. they are simply calming kerala brahmins & nairs to be inferior & ezhavas chera kings. let this kind of reference be used in ezhava page only [as he represent that community]. why in nair page?? we have recommended sitush pretty high number of times to remove that statements as that dog statement itself is saying it is wrong. sitush is keeping it for his own fulfillment of ego. I also agree with the above senior editors that sitush is unfit for WP editing.I suggest removing him from Indian cast related topics. Sesshomaru666666 ( talk) 07:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Besides as far as i know ,according to WP law this dog sentence only represents small minority view & should not be in any article. So its ok to remove it right
sitush? & its really sad to hear terms like 'fed up' from such a senior editor.even though we differ in our oppinion its nothing personal.
Sesshomaru666666 (
talk) 09:30, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
This thread is deteriorating into gratuitous statements about editors rather than about content. MangoWong, your last statement above is completely off the wall and I suggest you strike it out. For the rest, please take any issues you have with a particular editor to WP:ANI, this is not the right forum for that sort of thing. -- regentspark ( comment) 12:20, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
AARRGGHHH!!!! Why is castism the only topic discussed in this Project? Just like how you haven’t paid attention to improve various other pages, why can’t you do the same with these when you have no knowledge and also sense to get a consensus with each-others?
Churches and Convents of Goa, a UNESCO World Heritage Site, doesn’t have the list of churches and convents in it. Garden City Bangalore doesn’t have list of gardens in it. Take a look at this shabby list;
List of hospitals in India. Mohammed Rafi’s page says he has sung “…4,516 Hindi film songs, 112 non-Hindi film songs, and 328 private (non-film) songs from 1945 to 1980.” Our list
List of Songs by Mohammed Rafi has only around 2000 songs. See these red links here
Padma Shri Awards (1954–1959). Even
2010–2019 list has red links.
Lets give you all a nice piece to read & understand.
Caste based on character. -
Animeshkulkarni (
talk) 14:57, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
ℳ, I was saying senior than I am, not in comparison with you guys .
ok back to topic.. MatthewVanitas it is not just a specific issue , its an overall issue in his[sitush] way of editing. He is too aggressive at the same time losses his cool fast. a few IPs pretending to be from a community comes & calls him names, Hes totally against that community he is editing. He puts what ever things to make them looks bad. Thats not right!. Another thing is you can add all the datas you wanna say about a community but you can do it with out hurting community members feelings with well selected words. sitush is just causing trouble by placing controversial things in ledge itself!. He is asking for trouble & when he gets it he is already 'fed up' with everything. One example of his edit is nair page , Am sure every one here will agree nairs were nobles had previlages & considered as an upper cast,only below namboothiri brahmins & kshatria kings. But when you read the page sitush has created you may even start to think this guys should have got SC reservation! This flipping of social status happens in lots of sitush articles especially when some IPs are troubling him. I will have to say he is not mature enough to deal with cast related topics which require verry good deal of sensitive handilings. Sesshomaru666666 ( talk) 03:37, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:International Society for Krishna Consciousness/Archive 1#Request Move. Elizium23 ( talk) 15:27, 29 September 2011 (UTC) Elizium23 ( talk) 15:27, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello All!! This category Articles which use Indian English has only 211 articles under it. Can this be merged with the Category:WikiProject India articles? The template that read "This article uses Indian English dialect and spelling. Some terms that are used in it differ from or are not used in British..........." can be added to the template of WikiProject India articles. - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 11:38, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
And.... What happened? - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 12:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Uuuhhh!!! Dead again! - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 14:52, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Recently in articles like Chennai, Bangalore, Ahmedabad, Mumbai etc, there have been edits where the party name of the leader was put after their name in the infobox. Since this is happening in all Indian articles, I thought I'll leave a note here. Also worthy of note is the article India, where party names are mentioned after the leader's name. My opinion is that party names should be included, as is done in United States. In any case, I think we should develop an India-specific guideline on this. Relevant diffs: [8], [9], [10], [11] etc. Lynch 7 16:26, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I came across some new pages on rail lines, and discovered an unholy mess with wikilinks (confusion between various spellings of Jayanagar, Jaynagar, Jainagar, and the 'other' Jayanagar (Limbini) .....)
So I fixed those links I found to be wrong, re-named a page, addid disambig links to three pages, and created a some disambig for the various spellings ...
Which has left a humungous list of links needing to be checked / fixed from the disambig pages! I really can't do all this myself (I'm only a poor new page patroller, not an India enthusiast)!
WikiPedia needs your help! Here's a list of the pages which need to be checked so make sure that the links are pointing to the correct place:
Many thanks, in advance for your help in tidying up. :o) Pesky ( talk … stalk!) 06:20, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
There has been a merge proposal for the Ahir, Yadav and Yadava articles. This could be quite significant. Discussion is at Talk:Yadava#Proposal_to_merge_articles_Yadav_.2C_Ahir_and_Yadava. - Sitush ( talk) 23:34, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm trying to figure out what happened after 1915 to E. W. Middlemast (recent DYK), Professor of Mathematics (1910–) and Principal (1915) of Presidency College, Chennai. He seems to have vanished off the face of the earth. Could some Wikipedian in Chennai call the College (preferably someone in the History department) and ask them if they have any information, especially something that can be cited? (Please also see Talk:E. W. Middlemast for some more info.) Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:38, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that. Thurston was a biological determinist (see quote from Susan Bayly in Kurmi#Eighteenth_and_nineteenth_centuries right after the picture gallery). Middlemast also wrote an article on Hinduism in some collection somewhere (I remember coming across). Fowler&fowler «Talk» 12:01, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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E. W. Middlemast died during Ramanujan's absence from India. Considering the date of the particular issue in which the obituary is recorded, we might come to a conclusion that Middlemast might have died sometime in late 1918. But we can never be sure about it unless we have a copy of the journal with us. Kanigel, meanwhile, does not specify any date, not even the year-
Ravi
My Tea Kadai 03:27, 6 October 2011 (UTC)Hello Wikipedians, i have been reading Wikipedia articles about Indian religions frequently of-late. It came to my notice that the article on Ayyavazhi is heavily corrupted with fake, sub-standard and fake sources. Notwithstanding that the article says Ayyavazhi followers declare themselves as "Hindus", the article makes many attempts to project it as a separate religion (an example source: "The following morning and evening dailies calls Ayyavazhi as a separate religion.." and lists some Tamil newspapers - source#5). In Template:Religion_topics, it is listed as a separate religion amongst Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism and Sikhism. The article is heavily biased and many of the sources used are evangelist publications and tangential references to local Tamil dailies. The person/persons who have developed this article has shed a terrific amount of effort to fabricate this "fake" article.
If i had the time, inclination and the youth to reform the article, i would have done it myself. I just wanted to bring the above to the notice of active wikipedians. Thanks for listening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.170.105.241 ( talk) 17:53, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
I've proposed this article for deletion because it is completely unreferenced but so lacking in coherence and context that I cannot find any sources to verify the claims. Could someone check this out, perhaps using more appropriate search terms/spellings? I'm completely unfamiliar with the area. Voceditenore ( talk) 11:32, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
In case anyone cares about Wikipedia naming conventions. For my own part I will move to somewhere I feel I can contribute usefully. Crusoe8181 ( talk) 04:19, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
Found some strange categories added in Kiran Bedi. Someone do the needful. I dont know how to do.
- Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 15:00, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Request members to Kindly review, multiple issues on article Indo-Pakistani War of 1947, Thanks-- dBigXray ( talk) 22:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)-- dBigXray ( talk) 22:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya refers to "Yajaka Brahmans". I cannot find a suitable link for this Brahmin community and wonder if there may be alternate names (JNB was writing > 100 years ago) or if it is one of those groups that really has not yet got an article. Any ideas? - Sitush ( talk) 17:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
This article - Critical response to Adaminte Makan Abu can be merged to Adaminte Makan Abu. very redundant. 117.201.244.115 ( talk) 10:38, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
NOTE: As this topic deals with Indian cinema, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force should be the right forum to discuss this. I know that it is as good as dead. But thats the reason why it should be used. - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 16:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
the article Homi J. Bhabha (the architect of the Indian nuclear programme ) has also been changed by User:Ironboy11(now blocked After my complaints) with Original research. but his editings on these pages remain. Some one with expertise/interest can look to restore this and other India related articles that he has disrupted. Thanks-- dBigXray ( talk) 17:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC) field of the article = Indian nuclear program -- dBigXray ( talk) 17:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
I have sorted this article out by reverting his changes and will look further into any other India related articles he has edited. Thanks, GoldRock23( talk - my page - contribs) 15:55, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Would you like to weigh in at the discussion in Talk:India on some 40 odd images? I know that's a lot, but a simple Yes/No would be adequate. Of course, if you choose to comment at more length, it would be even better. The India page is now the second most-viewed country page (after the US) and the 15th page overall, so having a set of high quality representative pictures becomes even more imperative. Regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 17:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Is the Hindi work on Jat history written by Thakur Deshraj reliable? It is frequently cited in articles here but GScholar cites are minimal (that might be a language issue) and even GBooks does not demonstrate much useful support. I am a bit concerned about his own neutrality after reading the article on him: he appears to have been heavily involved in advocacy. - Sitush ( talk) 11:24, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. A warning: this might be a newbie question.
I'm cleaning up some district articles and came across a page -- Siwan district, Bihar -- which had very long passages with no citations (not an uncommon occurrence). So I decided to search for some phrases on the official site and, lo and behold, there was the "source". Time for some blanking. Here is the page before my scrub and this is what it looks like now.
So after finishing what I'd considered a job well-done, I then looked at the history to see who specifically had done this. But instead of finding one anonymous IP pasting a massive block at the same time, I saw it had been done incrementally by many IP addresses (though they may all be the same person). It then hit me: I would never consider a passage a copypasta job if it were found on a random site, because obviously it may have been copied from Wikipedia. But should I now lump district government sites into the same category? Was I therefore too rash in blanking these passages? And if it WERE originally written here, what should we do to passages like this, which don't contain any references and probably never will? I feel terrible deleting someone's hard work, but in a lot of these cases they're holding the article back.
Thanks for your advice; if you think I've gone too far I'll undo my latest revisions to that page. PhnomPencil ( talk) 15:58, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
there has been several instances of wp:POV, reference removal, wp:OR, section blanking etc on Indian articles. on articles like Operation Python, INS Khukri (1958), Sinking of PNS Ghazi, Operation Brasstacks, Operation Dwarka and others by lTopGunl ( talk) also known as Hassanhn5( talk) i also doubt an instance of Wikipedia:Sock puppetry because of similarity of lTopGunl ( talk) with (now blocked) User:Ironboy11 it needs to be checked though. Interested editors can look into these. regards-- dBigXray ( talk) 13:07, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I've recently tried to update the page Wikipedia:IND EDITS containing a list of top Wikipedians from India by number of edits. However, I found it extremely difficult to go beyond 50 and hence I stopped. I feel that, for maintenance reasons, it would be better if we reduce the list to the top 50 Wikipedians alone. Also, while there were few Indian Wikipedians with 1000+ edits when the list was created sometime in 2008-09, the same is not the case today. Your views on the same are welcome.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 03:25, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
User: Saravask has been adding images as he pleases without any discussion or consensus. Wikipedia policy states that major changes must be first discussed and agreed upon on the Talk page BEFORE they are implemented on the main page.
I left a message for him on his Talk page asking him to stop unilateral edits, I also made a section on Talk: India asking people to discuss image changes first. But he has continued to add images the way he feels.
These edits above are extremely disruptive. Wikipedia's policy is to discuss major changes before. User;Saravask has started an edit war by adding his images directly with no discussion. We need to stop such disruptive behavior. Can someone please help and make sure that the main India page does not get undiscussed image additions by User:Saravask? Nikkul ( talk) 04:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
I have been requested to present a three-minute update on Wikiproject India (as representing en:WP) at the WikiConference India 2011 in mid-November. Requesting suggestions as to what could be included and any points that may be added. If any one would personally like to volunteer to present this instead of me, that too is acceptable for consideration. AshLin ( talk) 03:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
A dispute is ongoing on the Hindu deities about the use of the word "deity" and "god" in the article and its replacement "avatar of Brahman". I request your comments - a third opinion - to reach a consensus as the discussion is just becoming a debate between two users. Thanks. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 17:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
I also request a second opinion for this debate as we're getting nowhere - Redtigerxyz keeps on altering stuff I've put in the article and adding the citation needed tag to everythig I've put in, even though it is all reliably sourced. Someone needs to come and sort this dispute out. Thanks, GoldRock23( talk - my page - contribs) 15:37, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
This discussion has concluded. Thanks, GoldRock23( talk - my page - contribs) 16:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
We need a second opinion in this discussion as Redtigerxyz seems to be contantly adding citation needed and RS tags to the corresponding section (which I created and wrote) in the article Hindu deities even though I have provided a source recommended by the British Educational Authorities for the study of Hinduism in major exams such as GCSEs and A-levels. I'm at a loss for what to do and how to respond. Please feel free to join this discussion - it requires little or almost no previous knowledge of the subject. Thanks, GoldRock23( talk - my page - contribs) 15:49, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
This discussion has concluded. Thanks, GoldRock23( talk - my page - contribs) 16:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello, there, my name is Belugaboy, and as you probably know (and you darn should), due to a huge matter in India around mid-November (that I cannot think of off the top of my head), the entire Wikipedia Signpost on 14 November will be dedicated to YOU as a project, and I have the honor of conducting your WikiProject report. I need some help from you, though. As I am not a participant of this project, (and due to my lack of Indian knowledge I have no intention of doing so in the forseeable future) I need information. I need the following data from participants of the project:
If you do decide you'd like to participate in the interview, the interview can be found here. Do NOT WORRY about the bottom where it says "Next week," I will fill that in myself after I get word from my colleagues.
Happy editing and good luck! Beluga boy cup of tea? 20:45, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
PLEASE respond on my talk page. Thanks! Beluga boy 'cup of tea? 20:58, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I saw a YouTube ad which shows the Mega drive being marketed in India:
So, was it released as the Mega Drive (I assume it's a yes since India is PAL, but I just wanna make sure) Which Indian company sold/distributed it, and what year? Thanks WhisperToMe ( talk) 20:10, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I seem to recall that there was discussion in the past about how to name cities in India...but I can't find anything other than a proposed set of conventions apparently deleted as a contribution by a banned editor. Do we have a current consensus? If yes, could someone point me to it? Either way, there is a proposal to move Hyderabad, India to Hyderabad, moving the current page to Hyderabad (disambiguation). My instinct tells me this is wrong, but I can't figure out why; it would help if regular WT:INDIA members commented on that requested move. Qwyrxian ( talk) 03:33, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Ram Swarup Joon is cited quite a lot across various articles but has minimal hits on GBooks and GScholar, at least under his full name. Using an alternative spelling garners only a few more references, viz. Ram Sarup Joon. Of course, the lack of hits may be in part because they simply have not filtered through Google's systems, although his major (and perhaps his only) work - History of the Jats - has apparently been in English translation for some time. That book is of course the one that has what appears to be a typo in the publisher's name: "Jaitly Painting [sic] Press".
My bs alarm has been ringing on and off for a while about this source, which seems sometimes to be used for POV-type statements. Is the person or the book reliable per the reliable sources policy? I ask here rather than at WP:RSN because of the subject-specific nature and the fact that apparently he originally wrote in Hindi. - Sitush ( talk) 09:52, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone provide sourcing/refutation for the statements at Red_aloe_vera#Assertions_of_medicinal_properties regarding usage of the plant in India? - Sitush ( talk) 14:14, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
There is currently a vote going on to decide the final images to be selected in the Demographics Image Rotation. Some new images were added to the pool. Please carefully see the new proposals and vote for your favorite images that best represent the people of India.
Please vote here.
Thanks. Nikkul ( talk) 05:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I am trying to promote the Kunbi article article to a GA level article and all help in knocking these off the todo list will be very helpul:
The same todo list is at the top of the talk page of the article. Zuggernaut ( talk) 03:59, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Kunbi received a few peer review comments which are logged at Wikipedia:Peer_review/Kunbi/archive1. Please feel free to fix the article per the peer review (most of them are minor copy-editing related fixes, disambiguation fixes, etc). Zuggernaut ( talk) 04:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm working on an article where the subject was Collector of Chotanagpur c. 1774 but I have a source from 1842 saying that he was appointed Collector of "Ramgur and Palamow" in 1776. No idea what Ramgur is but I suspect Palamow is Palamu. According to Chota Nagpur Division, Palamu is a unit within it - this would probably make his 1776 appointment a "demotion" to a smaller unit, but that doesn't sound right to me.
Have I got the wrong Chotanagpur or the wrong Palamow? - Sitush ( talk) 20:28, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Shouldnt this article be deleted??? - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 20:35, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
The India page is now the 15th most popular page on Wikipedia and the second-most among country pages. Earlier this year, it was successful in keeping its FA status after an FAR. However, since the FAR process doesn't really review the content of images, and only cursorily reviews the quality, it was felt that the community should do this. A drive is now on to improve both the quality and content of images in the various rotation templates of the page. Nominations are invited for high quality images with innovative content for the sports section. Please see the announcement for further details. Regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 00:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Is it permissible to add the provisional population totals provided by the Government of India here for census results? I'm asking this because we're working on taking GA-article on Tiruchirappalli to FA and I don't want to take any chances.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 16:29, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi All,
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Chapter is inviting proposals to conduct Wikipedia Academies or Workshops (Wikiacademies) in colleges/schools/institutions if interested please create a proposal @ http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy#New_proposals or email us @ chapter@wikimedia.in
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-- naveenpf ( talk) 01:22, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi! This article has been in bad shape for a quite a while. For some reason, it has also had a good amount of copyrighted text added by anonymous edits. It's in some sort of sweet spot where it's not important enough to have experienced editors improve it but important enough where readers feel that more information needs to be added. I think if the article's quality improves, less copyrighted text will be added to it. If any of you have time, I think it would be worthwhile to make some improvements. Thanks for your time. OlYeller21 Talktome 17:28, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
While looking for images for the India page sports section, I happened upon the link, Nawab of Pataudi. I was saddened there to read about the recent death of cricketer Tiger Pataudi, then discovered there that he has a son who is a Bollywood actor, and finally was perplexed there by the sentence, "Actor Saif Ali Khan was recently made the successive Nawab." Upon clicking on the actor's link, I found the startling sentence, "He is the tenth and present Nawab of Pataudi." The sentence was cited to a news report "Saif Ali Khan is now the 10th Nawab of Pataudi". The Times of India. 1 November 2011. Retrieved 1 November 2011.!
As some of you will know the titles, privy purses, and all official roles they had, were all abolished by the Government of India in 1967. Curious, I skimmed through some other Wikipedia pages of children or grandchildren of the defunct rulers. They too are playing at being royalty, on Wikipedia that is. Here is a sample:
I didn't look through the others, but I'm guessing that many are being incorrectly referred to as "Maharajas" or "Nawabs." This is the kind of issue, similar to caste-related issues, for which we may need some kind of a India-project consensus. Clearly they are not Maharajas or Nawabs in any sense of the word that the rulers of the princely states were. I look forward to some feedback. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:44, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:32, 6 November 2011 (UTC)The concept of rulership, with privy purses and special privileges unrelated to any current functions and social purposes, is incompatible with an egalitarian social order.
Royal titles ceased to be recognised by the Indian government in 1971. The title of Nawab and Maharaja are not recognised by the Indian government anymore. And rightfully so. We are a democracy and I am not under any misconception about me ruling any state or body of people. It's just a sense of tradition. As far as receiving the title and the ceremony from the villagers go, they are sentimental about tying the pagdi. Perhaps it is is something symbolic. And yes, I will be there for that. I have a lot of connection to Pataudi. I have spent a lot of time there and I love the place very much, but at no point, do I consider myself a Nawab.
I rest my case. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:12, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
As with formal royal offices around the world, the "symbolic" titles do exist in India though with no official sanction. The media loves to play up "royalty" - thus there will be no dearth of GNG for a person being referred to as a "maharaja" or "nawab". We shouldnt be removing all mentions of nawabs and maharajas. They should be covered in a way that makes it clear that the title is just a symbolic one - probably within quotes or using parenthesis.
Clearly they are not Maharajas or Nawabs in any sense of the word . I dispute this - they can clearly get the media to refer them as "maharajas" or "nawabs" and we shouldnt be whitewashing it out of the articles. Just make sure that the average reader knows that the title is self awarded and symbolic.-- Sodabottle ( talk) 16:39, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Another bogus article List of current Indian pretenders, a candidate for deletion. How are people getting away with making up this garbage? I wish I had more time. Where are the Situshes and MatthewVannitas when we need them. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:40, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
(od) I think we're losing the forest in this discussion. The way I see it, we have two contradictory points. First, that there is no such thing as a Nawab, in the sense of a prince, duke, king, or whatever. That is amply borne out by the sources provided by Fowler. On the other hand, the title 'nawab of pataudi' is in use and has been, sort of, applied to Saif Ali Khan. This is borne out by Shshshsh's sources, though, because they're showing up only at the time of the 'ceremony', I'm not sure if they have staying power. Wikipedia can certainly present contradictory points, that's why we're all here. My suggestion is that we mention the ceremony, that, after all, is the focus of the news articles, and link Saif Ali Khan to the chain of Nawabs without explicitly calling him the 'Nawab of Pataudi' or the '10th Nawab of Pataudi'. That way, the reader is well informed about his background and not fooled into thinking that Nawabs exist as titular persons today. I've made a rough attempt to do so in the article itself and welcome opinions. -- regentspark ( comment) 02:55, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Fowler&fowler «Talk» 23:09, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Some of the sources quoted by Fowler&fowler misrepresent both what happened in 1947 and the 1971 amendment to the constitution. In 1971 the privy purses were abolished and a new article (363A) was added which stated that the rulers "shall cease to be recognised". That did not abolish the princely titles, which had not been created by the Republic of India or its predecessor states and could not be abolished by it. The actual changes are as stated below. Moonraker ( talk) 01:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Following the death of his father, Saif Ali Khan was acclaimed
anointedthe Nawab of Pataudi by villagers of Pataudi State in deference to tradition, although the title carries no official or legal significance.
This is what regents has added to Saif Ali Khan article - not in the lead, but to the life section. I agree with this type of wording. -- Sodabottle ( talk) 15:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC) PS I've changed "anointed" to "acclaimed," as explained at the bottom of Talk:Saif_Ali_Khan#Nawab_of_Pataudi_.... Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:29, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm trying to find a 2001 census summary sheet for Kerala OBCs, similar to those for ST/SCs here. Basically interested in % of population, number of communities then classed as OBC, and analysis of religious beliefs. I cannot spot it on the censusindia website but surely it must be there somewhere. Can someone please double-check for me, while I go to the optician :( - Sitush ( talk) 14:20, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I have nominated Kolkata for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.)--- Jayanta Nath ( Talk| Contrb) 04:08, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
The FAR has been placed on hold to give time to editors to identify deficiencies and work on the article. Interested editors should check out the article and fa requirements to see if FA status is retainable. -- regentspark ( comment) 19:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Its amazing that the article http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Incredible_India&oldid=450099557 persisted from March to November 2011 with phrases like " Indian taxis and Autorickshaws are Incredible India but Indian traffic and driving style is not Incredible India." and " Indian weddings are Incredible India but bride burning and dowry is not Incredible India." 8 months? Seriously? I have rectified the article and added in relevant information about the Incredible India marketing campaign, but am afraid that the vandals will return. Tigerassault ( talk) 14:45, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
I am updating the Bhupen Hazarika article since after his death, but one editor is disrupting.
I am trying to resolve the dispute, but while doing so it might take some time and in the mean time the article will remain with wrong or incomplete information. Since after Dr Hazarika's death he is a topic of discussion in India and elsewhere and surely people will try/are trying wikipedia for information. So I want to sattel it quickly and update the article ASAP.
Please look at the discussion page of the article here and suggest how it can be settled in minimum time.
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Wikimedia projects have been active in India for a few years and the journey has been exciting. This has been made possible by the contributions of hundreds of Wikimedians across various Wikimedia projects, both Indian and non-Indian. WikiConference India 2011 is the first conference and largest congregation of Wikimedians in India across Wikimedia projects. The Wikimedia India chapter Executive committee believes it would be befitting to use this opportunity to recognize noteworthy contributions of some of the best contributors to our projects.
The objective of this recognition is to appreciate Wikimedians (contributing to India focused projects) from across Wikimedia projects and languages for their contributions. The purpose is as much to discover meritorious work and to highlight it as it is to provide a platform of recognition.
Though time is quite short (by midnight 13 16 Nov 2011 Indian Standard Time), I request that at least some meritorious people may please be nominated from editors who edit on India articles. This is not meant to be a competition but some kind of peer recognition of good work done.
The relevant link is here : http://wiki.wikimedia.in/NWR_2011
AshLin ( talk) 06:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
F&F's note above about List of current Indian pretenders caught my eye. I've left a note on that article's talk page, indicating that all of the information sourced to Genealogical Gleanings must be removed per WP:BLPSPS, and that a simpler solution may be to simply delete the article and begin it anew from sources that meet WP:BLP standards. Others may be interested in commenting there. Qwyrxian ( talk) 01:12, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
European Pretenders
How about this with the EX-king Constantine of Greece. The Greek public abolished the monarchy in a referendum in 1974 and yet his family still uses royal titles.
Jonathansammy ( talk) 21:37, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
RegentsPark has it right. The right to a hereditary title was indeed abolished, and has been interpreted to have been so by the reliable sources. "Titular" means "having the title and usually the honors belonging to an office or dignity without exercising the associated duties, functions, or responsibilities. (Webster's Unabridged)." The descendants of Indian princes were titular princes from 1947 to 1971. They are now officially nothing. If they drive around today in a car with license plate "Nabha 5" or "Patiala 1," they will get a ticket from the traffic cop. As RegentsPark might have said, Mr Khan is free to call himself Nawab of Pataudi, but so is the street corner Paan seller in Rangoon. They could, if they were notable for that, be reborn as Maharaja or Nawab, but only in (and no more than) the sense that Duke Ellington was a Duke, that Count Basie was a Count, that Gandhi was a Mahatma, or that Christ is King. The only difference is that reliable sources have noted the latter titles, and noted also that they were honorifics. The Indian princes, on the other hand, have been noted for little more than political impotence and degeneracy. They are usually the Nawabs of Broadie, Bawdy, and Gaudy. Naipaul got it right when he said, "Through generations of idle servitude they had grown to specialize only in style. A bogus, extinguishable glamour: in 1947, with Independence, they had lost their state, and Mrs. Gandhi in 1971 had, without much public outcry, abolished their privy purses and titles." Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:43, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Voting has now begun on the 48 images nominated for the India#Sport. Please go to Talk:India#Sports_section_images_selection to view the nominated images. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 02:36, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi friends, there is currently a question on the Humanities Reference Desk that you may be able to help with. With thanks, 207.107.246.140 ( talk) 21:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#parliamentary_standing_commitee_v.2Fs_departmental_standing_committee_v.2Fs_cabinet_commitee_in_india
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