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Is there any infobox template which can be used on article page of a taluk or do we use the one that is used for "cities and towns in India"
Also, can someone please make a list of all the India-specific infoboxes and templates and put it on one page and add a link to that page in the {{indiaquicklinks}} box? People who've been around forever might know where to find all thes boxes, but for relatively new people it is a big pain finding the right boxes and templates for articles.
Also, how about providing the link to edit an infobox in the box itself. I have seen it on some boxes but not all boxes. It is not easy for someone to figure the right urls for thes boxes. I feel all infoboxes should mandatorily have the link to edit it. How about making it a policy?
Sarvagnya 19:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
The project banner is growing too big with all the new parameters, portals and other information. Talk pages are starting to get too cluttered due to this. I am testing a new layout where all that detail gets hidden except for the quality scale. With a click of a button, an interested viewer can see all the information. I wanted to get an opinion from everyone whether to proceed with this. I have also removed Guidelines and Noticeboard links. I have them linked on the Indian project navigation bar. Here is how it will look, {{User:Ganeshk/sandbox|class=FA|importance=Top|portal=yes|cities=yes|group-portal1=Tamil Nadu}} Please comment. Thanks, Ganeshk ( talk) 03:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Shyam, Thanks for your comments. I have changed the banner to show the workgroups now. The category name needs to be like that so it is consistent across portals. Do you see any other issues other than the naming itself? The portal sentence was made generic so that it can accept mulitple portals. It's difficult to change it to show a link to selected articles of any single portal. I was thinking of adding a "archive link" in braces after each portal name, but felt that would make the sentence too complicated. I have trimmed the banner even further, removed the portal link (its making the box big), and here it is:
{{User:Ganeshk/sandbox2|class=B|importance=Top|portal=yes|cities=yes|group-portal1=Tamil Nadu|group-portal2=Kerala}}
I have also added a feature to allow for comments to be added in a sub-page. This will help the editors to understand what the article is lacking and what improvements need to be made.
For comparison, the same parameters in the older version of the banner would have generated:
{{WP India|class=B|importance=Top|portal=yes|cities=yes|group-portal1=Tamil Nadu|group-portal2=Kerala}}
Please comment. Thanks, Ganeshk ( talk) 01:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Government of India Portal is on peer review of India WikiProject. Please suggest to make it improve on the Peer-review page. Regards, Shyam ( T/ C) 11:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Our success was being talked about :) Gizza Chat © 04:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Shipping Corporation of India more information India Export Tax India Import Tax
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Endgame1 ( talk • contribs) 06:56, 18 October 2006.
I prodded it, as I can't verify the term; can somebody more familiar with India look at it and check if it is a hoax or a misspelled but encyclopedic article?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 15:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Dear, What do you mean to say by non English sources? Do you mean that the facts which don't have citation of an english source, does not exist? My dear hindi is a language which is spoken/understood by 100 million people.. mind you, I repeat 100 million people i.e. almost one sixth of the world population.
Shalendra Singh,
Gorakhpur, U.P., India
The community Mall- Sainthwar belongs to Hindi Heartland of India. The area has given many and most of Hindi Literature Writers( Peots, Writers, Dramatists, Historians). So History related to this area is available in Hindi. English writing in this area had been a rare existence.
Natinal level english historian has often missed this and many of other communities because they had written National level history and very often missed local and regional historical developments and communities.
Thanks
N P Singh
The project wishlist has all the projects red-linked. Could someone explain, why is it so? Shyam ( T/ C) 15:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a disagreement on the Talk:India about whether a local language script map is suitable for the demographics section. Additional comments at the article's talk page will really help. Regards, Ganeshk ( talk) 16:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't that be a big mess? Also, if an area has two or three different languages spoken by the people, does it mean all 2 or 3 scripts will be used? This is, after all, the *English* wikipedia, and maps, images, etc. needs to be in English. Having 4 or 5 names for each small chunk will be a horrible mess. -- Ragib 17:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
There are a lot of articles at the Catalan wikipedia, based on the entirely fictional website dalitstan.org. These include ca:Hezb-i-Mughalstan, Front d'Allberament de Rajputana (anyone ever heard of the Rajputana Liberation Front?), etc. See ca:Categoria:Partits polítics de l'Índia. -- Soman 21:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know when the last census with caste-based data was taken? I think it was 1931 but I need to be sure before I write an article. Thanks in advance. -- Antorjal 17:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I have uploaded a lot of pictures of the Malibu Hindu Temple in Calabasas, California. I was thinking to get a FP nom while taking the pics. :) Please do check out and comment. Regards, Ganeshk ( talk) 00:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I have added all the sub-groups under WikiProject India to the Version 1.0 project. I updated the project's navigation bar to show the individual group's statistics at the bottom. This helps each group to work individually on the quality, while the quality of the articles in the project overall gets improved too. Please check bottom of the navigation bar of the Kerala project for an example. You should see 1FA and 1A quality articles. Please let me know if you have any questions or clarifications. Regards, Ganeshk ( talk) 07:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I was just creating the Warangal Airport article and when I looked at the AAI site it shows the city and airport as being spelled "Warrrangal". The city article uses on one "R". Is the two "R"s an unofficial or alternate spelling? There is nothing in the city article to indicate the use of "rr". Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 09:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I wouldn't have been curious but when the Airports Authority of India used "rr" I was a bit puzzled. I did also notice that there was no redirect from Warrrangal. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Need comments here. Thanks, Ganeshk ( talk) 22:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I've been thinking on this for a bit and I don't feel its appropriate to list notices of RfAs of Indian editors at INWNB - it is not dignified (in terms of bringing it to attention outside of WP:RFA). Additionally, others could allege (with a level of justification) that there is "networking" going on between Indian editors. I suggest that we remove that RfA column from the collaborations list (that's strange for a start - why is a request for adminship a "collaboration?"). What say? Rama's arrow 02:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I think it's better not to list WP:RFAs here. People already question such listings as veiled ways of vote-stacking. Recently, just the mere mention of a WP:RM by Ganeshk was marked as such by others, even though that didn't involve any suggestions for how to vote.
Besides, what's the point of listing an RFA here? It is always better to see people being judged by their merits, rather than their regional ties. I personally feel that a complete stranger can judge a person's RFA candidacy better, by looking into contributions, comments, achievements etc. So, perhaps removing the RFA notices from here is a good idea. -- Ragib 01:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
As a passing visitor I think it's ok to list such notices at pages were interested users congregate. Sure, there is a chance of 'voting by affiliaton', but there is also a chance of 'voting because one is interested/familiar with the issue but would not know about the vote otherwise'. Given the two and following WP:AGF I prefer to think that such ads will attract the users because of the second reason, not the first.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi all,
I recently had a conversation with User:Darwinek about Categories. Find it HERE. If Darwinek is right as he most probably is, I guess we all have a hell of a lot of cleaning up to do on India related articles. Please take a look at the conversation and comment below. Sarvagnya 21:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Can someone look at the modern politics section please. It looks in bad shape. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I have request that the History of Tamil Nadu be peer reviewed. Can you please take a look and offer suggestions for improvement? Thanks - Parthi talk/ contribs 10:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Happy Diwali and New Year to all! Rama's arrow 15:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I second that! Gizza Chat © 06:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Happy Diwali to all! BTW, that's my house's pic to the right. --May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 15:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
The article Why did the chicken cross the road? provides a supposed origin for the joke which is cited to an article in the Hindi-language edition of Reader's Digest (Sarvottam) from July 1992. However, there are several problems with the origin cited. Could someone with access to the relevant magazine issue review the original article and confirm that what the magazine says agrees with what is stated in the Wikipedia article? I wonder if the Wikipedia editor who added this part of the article may have misunderstood what the magazine article said. Thank you. -- Metropolitan90 19:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I want to ask how others feel about the new bunch of wikiprojects and portals created. Its obvious that wikiprojects and portals can be created for each Indian state and major city, but I don't think its likely that a healthy rate of activity and results will be sustained - consider the Indian states and districts wikiprojects. Take a look at the Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Cartography - its made considerable progress but its also a unique topic.
It was absolutely cool how WP India consolidated other India wikiprojects. I suggest it would be better to create projects/portals based on zones and specific subjects like India maps. I also think discretion is need in creating these ventures. Can we issue a formal guideline or discussion? Rama's arrow 00:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
All the Lok Sabha constituencies have suffix (Lok Sabha Constituency). It should be replaced by (Lok Sabha constituency). Capital "C" should be replaced by small "c", like all the UK Parliament constituencies, Irish constituencies. Please suggest about these moves. We have completed more than 100 constituencies. Shyam ( T/ C) 14:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Special:Recentchangeslinked/Template:WPIndia_Navigation will help you find out all the changes that happened to the India project and it's sub-projects. You can find this link on the top of the navigation bar as part of "(e - c)". -- Ganeshk ( talk) 00:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
We finally have a solution for Nichalp's request. Presenting you with the metropolitan cities of India:
Yay!!! :) -- Ganeshk ( talk) 23:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Portal:Tamil was ceated by Mayooresan on April 6, 2006. The portal is at very initial level. It contains only a small introduction only. I propose it to be deleted. Shyam ( T/ C) 17:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Please have a look at this entry, which I submitted following Shyam Bihari's comment above. Rama's arrow 20:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
(Posted this in the wrong page yesterday)
In September, Jimbo Wales visited Bangalore, and during the meeting with him, he mentioned that he was very keen to see the Indian language Wikipedias gain more prominence. One of the factors involved in this is awareness, and getting the word out not just about Wikipedia, but the Indian Language Wikipedias, and getting more people involved, plays a big role here.
For the past six years, my team and I have been running India's largest Free and Open Source Software ( FOSS) event, earlier known as "Linux Bangalore", and now known as FOSS.IN. The idea behind the event is both to highlight the Indian FOSS community, and to encourage more people to contribute to FOSS and FOSS-related projects.
As I said here, Wikipedia is about as FOSS as a project can get, so it is dead in line with the objectives of FOSS.IN. With this in mind, I have invited the Indian Wikipedia community to participate in the event, which runs from November 24-26 in Bangalore, India. At this event, we have a "FOSS Expo" which is used to demonstrate FOSS projects and invite participation in them.
To enable these projects to participate and exhibit, we provide PCs, connectivity, table space, etc. to the exhibitors, and all for free. Our only requirement is the facilities provided are used to demonstrate actual FOSS projects, and Wikipedia, specifically the Indian Language Wikipedias, is totally qualified for this.
You can read more about this here. If you are interested in participating, do get in touch with me, or join the [ mailing list]. User:Utcursch has already indicated that he would be attending the event and would love to participate, so you could possibly sync with him as well.
I look forward to the Wikipedia community's participation at FOSS.IN.
Achitnis 14:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Requesting help to update "type=district|" to these articles 's infoboxes? If the coords look weird, please fix them too. Thanks, Ganeshk ( talk) 08:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Is there any infobox template which can be used on article page of a taluk or do we use the one that is used for "cities and towns in India"
Also, can someone please make a list of all the India-specific infoboxes and templates and put it on one page and add a link to that page in the {{indiaquicklinks}} box? People who've been around forever might know where to find all thes boxes, but for relatively new people it is a big pain finding the right boxes and templates for articles.
Also, how about providing the link to edit an infobox in the box itself. I have seen it on some boxes but not all boxes. It is not easy for someone to figure the right urls for thes boxes. I feel all infoboxes should mandatorily have the link to edit it. How about making it a policy?
Sarvagnya 19:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
The project banner is growing too big with all the new parameters, portals and other information. Talk pages are starting to get too cluttered due to this. I am testing a new layout where all that detail gets hidden except for the quality scale. With a click of a button, an interested viewer can see all the information. I wanted to get an opinion from everyone whether to proceed with this. I have also removed Guidelines and Noticeboard links. I have them linked on the Indian project navigation bar. Here is how it will look, {{User:Ganeshk/sandbox|class=FA|importance=Top|portal=yes|cities=yes|group-portal1=Tamil Nadu}} Please comment. Thanks, Ganeshk ( talk) 03:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Shyam, Thanks for your comments. I have changed the banner to show the workgroups now. The category name needs to be like that so it is consistent across portals. Do you see any other issues other than the naming itself? The portal sentence was made generic so that it can accept mulitple portals. It's difficult to change it to show a link to selected articles of any single portal. I was thinking of adding a "archive link" in braces after each portal name, but felt that would make the sentence too complicated. I have trimmed the banner even further, removed the portal link (its making the box big), and here it is:
{{User:Ganeshk/sandbox2|class=B|importance=Top|portal=yes|cities=yes|group-portal1=Tamil Nadu|group-portal2=Kerala}}
I have also added a feature to allow for comments to be added in a sub-page. This will help the editors to understand what the article is lacking and what improvements need to be made.
For comparison, the same parameters in the older version of the banner would have generated:
{{WP India|class=B|importance=Top|portal=yes|cities=yes|group-portal1=Tamil Nadu|group-portal2=Kerala}}
Please comment. Thanks, Ganeshk ( talk) 01:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Government of India Portal is on peer review of India WikiProject. Please suggest to make it improve on the Peer-review page. Regards, Shyam ( T/ C) 11:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Our success was being talked about :) Gizza Chat © 04:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Shipping Corporation of India more information India Export Tax India Import Tax
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Endgame1 ( talk • contribs) 06:56, 18 October 2006.
I prodded it, as I can't verify the term; can somebody more familiar with India look at it and check if it is a hoax or a misspelled but encyclopedic article?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 15:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Dear, What do you mean to say by non English sources? Do you mean that the facts which don't have citation of an english source, does not exist? My dear hindi is a language which is spoken/understood by 100 million people.. mind you, I repeat 100 million people i.e. almost one sixth of the world population.
Shalendra Singh,
Gorakhpur, U.P., India
The community Mall- Sainthwar belongs to Hindi Heartland of India. The area has given many and most of Hindi Literature Writers( Peots, Writers, Dramatists, Historians). So History related to this area is available in Hindi. English writing in this area had been a rare existence.
Natinal level english historian has often missed this and many of other communities because they had written National level history and very often missed local and regional historical developments and communities.
Thanks
N P Singh
The project wishlist has all the projects red-linked. Could someone explain, why is it so? Shyam ( T/ C) 15:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a disagreement on the Talk:India about whether a local language script map is suitable for the demographics section. Additional comments at the article's talk page will really help. Regards, Ganeshk ( talk) 16:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't that be a big mess? Also, if an area has two or three different languages spoken by the people, does it mean all 2 or 3 scripts will be used? This is, after all, the *English* wikipedia, and maps, images, etc. needs to be in English. Having 4 or 5 names for each small chunk will be a horrible mess. -- Ragib 17:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
There are a lot of articles at the Catalan wikipedia, based on the entirely fictional website dalitstan.org. These include ca:Hezb-i-Mughalstan, Front d'Allberament de Rajputana (anyone ever heard of the Rajputana Liberation Front?), etc. See ca:Categoria:Partits polítics de l'Índia. -- Soman 21:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know when the last census with caste-based data was taken? I think it was 1931 but I need to be sure before I write an article. Thanks in advance. -- Antorjal 17:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I have uploaded a lot of pictures of the Malibu Hindu Temple in Calabasas, California. I was thinking to get a FP nom while taking the pics. :) Please do check out and comment. Regards, Ganeshk ( talk) 00:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I have added all the sub-groups under WikiProject India to the Version 1.0 project. I updated the project's navigation bar to show the individual group's statistics at the bottom. This helps each group to work individually on the quality, while the quality of the articles in the project overall gets improved too. Please check bottom of the navigation bar of the Kerala project for an example. You should see 1FA and 1A quality articles. Please let me know if you have any questions or clarifications. Regards, Ganeshk ( talk) 07:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I was just creating the Warangal Airport article and when I looked at the AAI site it shows the city and airport as being spelled "Warrrangal". The city article uses on one "R". Is the two "R"s an unofficial or alternate spelling? There is nothing in the city article to indicate the use of "rr". Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 09:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I wouldn't have been curious but when the Airports Authority of India used "rr" I was a bit puzzled. I did also notice that there was no redirect from Warrrangal. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Need comments here. Thanks, Ganeshk ( talk) 22:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I've been thinking on this for a bit and I don't feel its appropriate to list notices of RfAs of Indian editors at INWNB - it is not dignified (in terms of bringing it to attention outside of WP:RFA). Additionally, others could allege (with a level of justification) that there is "networking" going on between Indian editors. I suggest that we remove that RfA column from the collaborations list (that's strange for a start - why is a request for adminship a "collaboration?"). What say? Rama's arrow 02:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I think it's better not to list WP:RFAs here. People already question such listings as veiled ways of vote-stacking. Recently, just the mere mention of a WP:RM by Ganeshk was marked as such by others, even though that didn't involve any suggestions for how to vote.
Besides, what's the point of listing an RFA here? It is always better to see people being judged by their merits, rather than their regional ties. I personally feel that a complete stranger can judge a person's RFA candidacy better, by looking into contributions, comments, achievements etc. So, perhaps removing the RFA notices from here is a good idea. -- Ragib 01:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
As a passing visitor I think it's ok to list such notices at pages were interested users congregate. Sure, there is a chance of 'voting by affiliaton', but there is also a chance of 'voting because one is interested/familiar with the issue but would not know about the vote otherwise'. Given the two and following WP:AGF I prefer to think that such ads will attract the users because of the second reason, not the first.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi all,
I recently had a conversation with User:Darwinek about Categories. Find it HERE. If Darwinek is right as he most probably is, I guess we all have a hell of a lot of cleaning up to do on India related articles. Please take a look at the conversation and comment below. Sarvagnya 21:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Can someone look at the modern politics section please. It looks in bad shape. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I have request that the History of Tamil Nadu be peer reviewed. Can you please take a look and offer suggestions for improvement? Thanks - Parthi talk/ contribs 10:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Happy Diwali and New Year to all! Rama's arrow 15:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I second that! Gizza Chat © 06:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Happy Diwali to all! BTW, that's my house's pic to the right. --May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 15:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
The article Why did the chicken cross the road? provides a supposed origin for the joke which is cited to an article in the Hindi-language edition of Reader's Digest (Sarvottam) from July 1992. However, there are several problems with the origin cited. Could someone with access to the relevant magazine issue review the original article and confirm that what the magazine says agrees with what is stated in the Wikipedia article? I wonder if the Wikipedia editor who added this part of the article may have misunderstood what the magazine article said. Thank you. -- Metropolitan90 19:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I want to ask how others feel about the new bunch of wikiprojects and portals created. Its obvious that wikiprojects and portals can be created for each Indian state and major city, but I don't think its likely that a healthy rate of activity and results will be sustained - consider the Indian states and districts wikiprojects. Take a look at the Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Cartography - its made considerable progress but its also a unique topic.
It was absolutely cool how WP India consolidated other India wikiprojects. I suggest it would be better to create projects/portals based on zones and specific subjects like India maps. I also think discretion is need in creating these ventures. Can we issue a formal guideline or discussion? Rama's arrow 00:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
All the Lok Sabha constituencies have suffix (Lok Sabha Constituency). It should be replaced by (Lok Sabha constituency). Capital "C" should be replaced by small "c", like all the UK Parliament constituencies, Irish constituencies. Please suggest about these moves. We have completed more than 100 constituencies. Shyam ( T/ C) 14:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Special:Recentchangeslinked/Template:WPIndia_Navigation will help you find out all the changes that happened to the India project and it's sub-projects. You can find this link on the top of the navigation bar as part of "(e - c)". -- Ganeshk ( talk) 00:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
We finally have a solution for Nichalp's request. Presenting you with the metropolitan cities of India:
Yay!!! :) -- Ganeshk ( talk) 23:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Portal:Tamil was ceated by Mayooresan on April 6, 2006. The portal is at very initial level. It contains only a small introduction only. I propose it to be deleted. Shyam ( T/ C) 17:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Please have a look at this entry, which I submitted following Shyam Bihari's comment above. Rama's arrow 20:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
(Posted this in the wrong page yesterday)
In September, Jimbo Wales visited Bangalore, and during the meeting with him, he mentioned that he was very keen to see the Indian language Wikipedias gain more prominence. One of the factors involved in this is awareness, and getting the word out not just about Wikipedia, but the Indian Language Wikipedias, and getting more people involved, plays a big role here.
For the past six years, my team and I have been running India's largest Free and Open Source Software ( FOSS) event, earlier known as "Linux Bangalore", and now known as FOSS.IN. The idea behind the event is both to highlight the Indian FOSS community, and to encourage more people to contribute to FOSS and FOSS-related projects.
As I said here, Wikipedia is about as FOSS as a project can get, so it is dead in line with the objectives of FOSS.IN. With this in mind, I have invited the Indian Wikipedia community to participate in the event, which runs from November 24-26 in Bangalore, India. At this event, we have a "FOSS Expo" which is used to demonstrate FOSS projects and invite participation in them.
To enable these projects to participate and exhibit, we provide PCs, connectivity, table space, etc. to the exhibitors, and all for free. Our only requirement is the facilities provided are used to demonstrate actual FOSS projects, and Wikipedia, specifically the Indian Language Wikipedias, is totally qualified for this.
You can read more about this here. If you are interested in participating, do get in touch with me, or join the [ mailing list]. User:Utcursch has already indicated that he would be attending the event and would love to participate, so you could possibly sync with him as well.
I look forward to the Wikipedia community's participation at FOSS.IN.
Achitnis 14:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Requesting help to update "type=district|" to these articles 's infoboxes? If the coords look weird, please fix them too. Thanks, Ganeshk ( talk) 08:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)