![]() | On 10 August 2020, it was proposed that this page be moved from Wikipedia:Move review. The result of the discussion was consensus not to move. |
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Currently, the scope of the move review process is limited to reviewing whether requested move discussions have been properly closed and executed. The results of discussions that take place as part of the processes called ' categories for discussion' and ' redirects for discussion' have in the past been reviewed at deletion review, even when the relevant discussions did not involve deletion. The awkwardness of this situation has recently become an issue, and so I've opened this RfC. Should the purview of the move review process formally be expanded to include reviews of the closing of renaming discussions that take place at WP:CfD and WP:RfD, and should the MR, CfD, and RfD pages be updated to clarify the review process for discussions that take part as part of those processes to that effect? RGloucester — ☎ 21:32, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Not “result”, instead “scope limited to”. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 21:34, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Please clarify the question -- are you talking about moving deletion review under MR? or the whole initial renaming discussions? If I wanted to rename Category:Films in X to Category:Xian movies - would I go to CfD or to MR? I think that's what you are getting at, but the question paragraphs reads as if only deletion review would go under MR. Renata ( talk) 00:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Ok, got it. I got all mixed up with RM and MR. WP:WTF? OMG! TMD TLA. ARG!. Can I suggest the following clarification to the RfC question?
And here is another dumb question - why can't all discussion closing reviews happen at one centralized place? Why have a separate place for "renaming" reviews and for "deletion" reviews? It is essentially the same procedure, no? Renata ( talk) 03:25, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
I changed the section title to a more neutral title. Qualitist ( talk) 08:15, 2 December 2018 (UTC) Can someone see and revert the group of tag teamers at Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2018_November#Jaggi_Vasudev history that are edit warring [2] [3] [4] to hat !votes, against their POV. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 06:33, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
I have added the text to indicate that only CFDs that are CFRs and RFDs where deletion was never proposed or considered should be listed here, it might need tweaking but that appeared to be the consensus in the RFC and my suggestion was not opposed so I have included the clarity (so that CFDs and RFDs that involve inclusion policies don't get taken here). I added that those where deletion was proposed/suggested but it ended up being retargeted elsewhere should go to DR since that tends to involve more inclusion policies, rather than titling/primary topic guidelines and its not uncommon for a redirect to be nominated for deletion due to not being covered at the target and end up being retargeted to somewhere it is covered. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 19:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
The pages I've seen on Wikipedia's policies (e.g. Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Determining consensus) read to me as if the strength of each argument is much more important than the number of votes, and that when it comes down to it, the votes are mostly irrelevant.
Consensus is determined not just by considering the preferences of the participants in a given discussion, but also by evaluating their arguments, assigning due weight accordingly, and giving due consideration to the relevant consensus of the Wikipedia community in general as reflected in applicable policy, guidelines and naming conventions.
However, what I've seen is that move requests often get decided solely on the number of votes, and the quality of the arguments is ignored. Would someone please explain what the proper procedure is for Move Requests and Move Reviews? Danielklein ( talk) 01:13, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
I made a flowchart to help people decide if they should start a move review!
Red
Slash
02:35, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. consensus is the page should stay where it is. No prejudice to new RM with proposed title. Regards, —usernamekiran (talk) 20:30, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Move review → ? – As the result of
this RfC in 2018 as well as
this series of edits a few months later, the "Move review" board is no longer just for move reviews. Going by the result of the linked RfC, it seems that the intent of this board is supposed to be for any discussion that does not involve proposing deletion. My opinions aside about this being the clearest way to distinguish deletion discussions from non-deletion discussions, as well as my opinions about the how the RfC played out, I'm putting this move request here solely on the fact this page is supposed to now be used for more than move reviews per the result of the linked RfC. If this is to be the case, the current name of this page no longer encapsulates the entirety of the intended scope of this page. So ... if this scope is to be updated, the name of the page probably needs to be changed to
Wikipedia:Non-deletion review or something similar. (For the record, I'm neutral on any name change if the scope remains the same [but should be moved away from the current title] ... which is exclusive from my opinion about whether or not I support the current scope of the page as determined by the linked 2018 RfC.)
Steel1943 (
talk)
17:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
{{
ping|ItsPugle}}
on reply)
22:54, 16 August 2020 (UTC)Currently the instructions for closing move reviews has an administrator will determine whether a consensus exists to either endorse the close or overturn the close
. Recently there have been a few non-admin closures. I know traditionally WP:IAR exceptions have been made for procedural closes (I have closed some procedurally as NAC) but that that normal RMV closes required an admin to close. NAC of RM are fairly common and reasonable, but for contentious closes which MR often imply administrators are strongly preferred. See also
/Archive 2018#Non-admin closures.
PaleAqua (
talk)
20:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
I also wonder if some comment about the seven days should be changed A nominated page should remain on move review for at least seven days
as it seems most RMV stay open much longer than seven days and including this in the page instructions seems to imply that the RMV process is quicker than it actually is. I think a note be added to imply that move reviews might be open longer, closures on the order of a month or two seems to be fairly common.
PaleAqua (
talk)
20:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
At some point we should reconsider whether those who participated in the RM should be participating in the move review. Allowing them to do so gives free rein to relitigate the previous move request. -- Calidum 00:10, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
As an aside from the above, I think a bigger concern is getting more uninvolved users to participate in the process. Based on my experience, I would say between half and three-quarters of the participants in a given move review previously participated in the requested move. This differs from WP:DRV where (based on my limited involvement there) most editors have not participated in the previous XFD. Maybe it's because there are so few move reviews compared to deletion reviews or because RMs and MRs are a somewhat niche process. -- Calidum 17:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
When a RM is closed as "Overturn and relist", how do I relist the already-closed RM? I refer to Talk:Víctor Medina (footballer, born 1964) (although I'm half-tempted to reclose it as "moved" myself, most MR participants expressed the preference that the original closer does it. I guess that {{ RM relist}} won't do the trick, and that leaves placing {{ Requested move}} on the talk page again. wbm1058, will that cause any issues with RMCD bot? No such user ( talk) 13:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
I've floated the idea of merging this page with WP:DRV at the Village Pump. Feedback is welcome there. Thank you -- Calidum 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Why isnt my move review for October 2021 for the closure of the move discussion for Prayagraj shown yet? I filled in the Format. The discussion Was closed a few days ago but the reason for the closure is not specified. The opposes are in Wikipedia policy while the supports are not. That is not enough, because nobody understands why. Please take care on this issue.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 19:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
I just saw Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2022 March#Wikipedia Star Trek Into Darkness_controversy_(closed) speedy closed. The discussion was at Talk:List of Wikipedia controversies#Merge Wikipedia Star Trek Into Darkness controversy to List of Wikipedia controversies.
Why not expand MR to include Wikipedia:Proposed article mergers closure reviews? There are some strong similarities. WP:AN does not function well for close reviews. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 06:04, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2022_May#Berbers_(closed) was a bad close.
User:Paine_Ellsworth, please revert your close.
If someone was being uncivil, take them to ANI for an admin to block them. Do not shut down procedural review pages like that. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 08:25, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I was recently involved in a protracted discussion over the move of Vukovar-Syrmia article to Vukovar-Srijem. While I am obviously not happy with the outcome I accept it as a fact. Nevertheless, I asked for some further clarification in this edit but so far I haven't received any feedback (I believe editor in question may be very busy with other tasks so maybe somebody else will be available). I wanted to ask if there is any procedure alternative to formal move review (as I do acknowledge the outcome) in which this specific concern may be addressed? MirkoS18 ( talk) 10:01, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
By accident, I did not sign my Move Review request initially [6]. I then added my sign late [7]. Question is: are there signing-effects missed, link pings? I did notice the involved closer separately all right. - DePiep ( talk) 22:08, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Two editors, myself and User:Graham Beards have complained about the closure at Talk:Mpox#Requested move 28 February 2023. The point isn't that we are unhappy the page remains at mpox. Both of us are exasperated frankly about this waste of time. The point is the non-admin closure comments by User:Red Slash were personally opinionated and lecturing as well as being factually incorrect.
For background, a page move discussion opened on 28th November 2022, shortly after WHO officially changed the name (they are the international body in charge of naming diseases). At the time, editors wanted to see if the name was accepted. By 28th December it was clear that it was accepted and the change had already occurred in many places online. The discussion was advertised at WT:MED. On the 28th January (two months after the initial name change proposal), admin User:SilkTork agreed there was consensus for change to mpox. On 31st January I posted message to nearly 40 related article talk pages and to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Current events/Monkeypox outbreak task force. We discused how to go about renaming those too.
Then out of the blue on 28 Feburary an editor opens up an RM asking for the name to be moved back to monkeypox. We would at this point, be the only publication on the planet choosing to go back to the old name. This editor admitted to not having seen the earlier discussion and thought the name change was undiscussed. During the RM discussion, it was clear that folk coming from this noticeboard had not done their research about the disease name nor seemed aware of WP:NAMECHANGES.
I would like an admin to re-close the discussion in a proper manner. Not voice their own surprise that mpox was actually the common name in 2023. Not lecture folk about using RM. Not get their facts wrong about consensus and the earlier discussion. Is it appropriate to use a "move review" to request that, even if the outcome is the same. Or could someone more experienced with naming closures just do the job better instead. There isn't frankly a lot that needs to be said. Something like "As many editors pointed out
WP:NAMECHANGES requires us to give weight to sources and reliable publications written after a name change. This has been amply done with numerous examples given. Editors complaining about the new name not conforming to COMMONNAME didn't offer any evidence to support that."
--
Colin°
Talk
18:43, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
We've stated in our requirements for quite some time that it's required (in bold) to talk to closers first.
I therefore summarily up and closed the MRV for Grey Goose. Apparently there's some super-complicated history about the close and it was overturned or something but I had no idea any of that happened, I just closed a move request, and instead of telling me like he was required to the guy just posts a move review immediately. I may well have overturned myself if he'd just posted on my talk page first.
In the future, I suggest to anyone; when someone goes so outside our procedures to make a MRV without communicating with the closer first, just close it automatically. Red Slash 21:14, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Thinking of Wikipedia:Move review#Hindu terrorism as a current example, should <involved> editors be welcome to keep posting in the review until all but one is exhausted? No, this is a classic non-consensus behaviour.
I suggest that where an involved editors exceeds 10 posts or 10kB in a single discussion, they should be required to put their contribution on the review talk page.
Involved editors should contribute, especially to answer questions, but in any review process, involved parties should not be allowed to dominate proceedings. Some threshold of decorum, please. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 04:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
I've seen RfCs and RMs withdrawn when there were a lot of editors opposing and no support in a short period of time. By extension, at MRV any withdrawals should be only with a lot of editors endorsing. A recent review at WP:MR#Albert von Sachsen (closed) was withdrawn by the nom with three endorsements and three non-endorsements. Under the circumstances in this particular case this MRV likely needed to be closed, but was withdrawal appropriate? Shouldn't it still have been closed by an uninvolved editor? Just concerned about the precedent that is being set by this withdrawal. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 11:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
There's an odd situation at Talk:Black Breath (band). User:Pppery proposed a move to Black Breath as the only article with the title. It gathered two support !votes and was closed as Moved by User:Lightoil after 7 days. Rather than start a Move Review or new RM, User:Chiswick Chap simply reverted the move and close, and posted a notice at WT:WikiProject Middle-earth. It's since gathered oppose !votes. What's the best procedure in a situation like this? Station1 ( talk) 20:48, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Version 8.10 of RMCD bot has enhanced notifications service and has posted a notice at Talk:Nazgûl#Move discussion in progress. Because Wikipedia:WikiProject Middle-earth/Article alerts exists, no notice will be posted on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth as the bot assumes that the Article Alerts service covers notices, and avoids posting unnecessary, redundant notices. The older version of the bot previously posted a notice on Talk:Black Breath, the talk page of a redirect. – wbm1058 ( talk) 16:16, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
How do I open a move review for several pages at once? Please mention me for whoever does respond Yoblyblob ( talk) 15:54, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
When the clock strikes midnight on Wednesday, I'm going to take 60 seconds out of my day to watchlist (and, if no one beats me to it, transclude) Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2023 November. Maybe some of you will too. Maybe others of you went through and watchlisted every single future log page for years to come. ( Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2027 December already has four watchers.) Watchlisting the monthly log is the only way to be notified when a new MR comes up. Why? Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just run MRs directly on Wikipedia:Move review? MRs are sufficiently uncommon that the page wouldn't be overwhelmed (the number of open MRs is almost always between 0 and 3), and giving editors a single page to watchlist would likely reduce the hassle and increase uninvolved participation in discussions. Thoughts? Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 00:27, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Regarding Transformers (film), this article has been relisted a third time despite thirteen editors' involvement. I question the judgment of BilledMammal as a non-admin page mover, especially in regard to calling a "no consensus", here and with another RM discussion recently (details on talk page). See RM discussion here: Transformers (film) § Requested move 17 May 2024. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 21:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
![]() | On 10 August 2020, it was proposed that this page be moved from Wikipedia:Move review. The result of the discussion was consensus not to move. |
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Currently, the scope of the move review process is limited to reviewing whether requested move discussions have been properly closed and executed. The results of discussions that take place as part of the processes called ' categories for discussion' and ' redirects for discussion' have in the past been reviewed at deletion review, even when the relevant discussions did not involve deletion. The awkwardness of this situation has recently become an issue, and so I've opened this RfC. Should the purview of the move review process formally be expanded to include reviews of the closing of renaming discussions that take place at WP:CfD and WP:RfD, and should the MR, CfD, and RfD pages be updated to clarify the review process for discussions that take part as part of those processes to that effect? RGloucester — ☎ 21:32, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Not “result”, instead “scope limited to”. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 21:34, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Please clarify the question -- are you talking about moving deletion review under MR? or the whole initial renaming discussions? If I wanted to rename Category:Films in X to Category:Xian movies - would I go to CfD or to MR? I think that's what you are getting at, but the question paragraphs reads as if only deletion review would go under MR. Renata ( talk) 00:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Ok, got it. I got all mixed up with RM and MR. WP:WTF? OMG! TMD TLA. ARG!. Can I suggest the following clarification to the RfC question?
And here is another dumb question - why can't all discussion closing reviews happen at one centralized place? Why have a separate place for "renaming" reviews and for "deletion" reviews? It is essentially the same procedure, no? Renata ( talk) 03:25, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
I changed the section title to a more neutral title. Qualitist ( talk) 08:15, 2 December 2018 (UTC) Can someone see and revert the group of tag teamers at Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2018_November#Jaggi_Vasudev history that are edit warring [2] [3] [4] to hat !votes, against their POV. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 06:33, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
I have added the text to indicate that only CFDs that are CFRs and RFDs where deletion was never proposed or considered should be listed here, it might need tweaking but that appeared to be the consensus in the RFC and my suggestion was not opposed so I have included the clarity (so that CFDs and RFDs that involve inclusion policies don't get taken here). I added that those where deletion was proposed/suggested but it ended up being retargeted elsewhere should go to DR since that tends to involve more inclusion policies, rather than titling/primary topic guidelines and its not uncommon for a redirect to be nominated for deletion due to not being covered at the target and end up being retargeted to somewhere it is covered. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 19:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
The pages I've seen on Wikipedia's policies (e.g. Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Determining consensus) read to me as if the strength of each argument is much more important than the number of votes, and that when it comes down to it, the votes are mostly irrelevant.
Consensus is determined not just by considering the preferences of the participants in a given discussion, but also by evaluating their arguments, assigning due weight accordingly, and giving due consideration to the relevant consensus of the Wikipedia community in general as reflected in applicable policy, guidelines and naming conventions.
However, what I've seen is that move requests often get decided solely on the number of votes, and the quality of the arguments is ignored. Would someone please explain what the proper procedure is for Move Requests and Move Reviews? Danielklein ( talk) 01:13, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
I made a flowchart to help people decide if they should start a move review!
Red
Slash
02:35, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. consensus is the page should stay where it is. No prejudice to new RM with proposed title. Regards, —usernamekiran (talk) 20:30, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Move review → ? – As the result of
this RfC in 2018 as well as
this series of edits a few months later, the "Move review" board is no longer just for move reviews. Going by the result of the linked RfC, it seems that the intent of this board is supposed to be for any discussion that does not involve proposing deletion. My opinions aside about this being the clearest way to distinguish deletion discussions from non-deletion discussions, as well as my opinions about the how the RfC played out, I'm putting this move request here solely on the fact this page is supposed to now be used for more than move reviews per the result of the linked RfC. If this is to be the case, the current name of this page no longer encapsulates the entirety of the intended scope of this page. So ... if this scope is to be updated, the name of the page probably needs to be changed to
Wikipedia:Non-deletion review or something similar. (For the record, I'm neutral on any name change if the scope remains the same [but should be moved away from the current title] ... which is exclusive from my opinion about whether or not I support the current scope of the page as determined by the linked 2018 RfC.)
Steel1943 (
talk)
17:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
{{
ping|ItsPugle}}
on reply)
22:54, 16 August 2020 (UTC)Currently the instructions for closing move reviews has an administrator will determine whether a consensus exists to either endorse the close or overturn the close
. Recently there have been a few non-admin closures. I know traditionally WP:IAR exceptions have been made for procedural closes (I have closed some procedurally as NAC) but that that normal RMV closes required an admin to close. NAC of RM are fairly common and reasonable, but for contentious closes which MR often imply administrators are strongly preferred. See also
/Archive 2018#Non-admin closures.
PaleAqua (
talk)
20:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
I also wonder if some comment about the seven days should be changed A nominated page should remain on move review for at least seven days
as it seems most RMV stay open much longer than seven days and including this in the page instructions seems to imply that the RMV process is quicker than it actually is. I think a note be added to imply that move reviews might be open longer, closures on the order of a month or two seems to be fairly common.
PaleAqua (
talk)
20:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
At some point we should reconsider whether those who participated in the RM should be participating in the move review. Allowing them to do so gives free rein to relitigate the previous move request. -- Calidum 00:10, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
As an aside from the above, I think a bigger concern is getting more uninvolved users to participate in the process. Based on my experience, I would say between half and three-quarters of the participants in a given move review previously participated in the requested move. This differs from WP:DRV where (based on my limited involvement there) most editors have not participated in the previous XFD. Maybe it's because there are so few move reviews compared to deletion reviews or because RMs and MRs are a somewhat niche process. -- Calidum 17:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
When a RM is closed as "Overturn and relist", how do I relist the already-closed RM? I refer to Talk:Víctor Medina (footballer, born 1964) (although I'm half-tempted to reclose it as "moved" myself, most MR participants expressed the preference that the original closer does it. I guess that {{ RM relist}} won't do the trick, and that leaves placing {{ Requested move}} on the talk page again. wbm1058, will that cause any issues with RMCD bot? No such user ( talk) 13:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
I've floated the idea of merging this page with WP:DRV at the Village Pump. Feedback is welcome there. Thank you -- Calidum 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Why isnt my move review for October 2021 for the closure of the move discussion for Prayagraj shown yet? I filled in the Format. The discussion Was closed a few days ago but the reason for the closure is not specified. The opposes are in Wikipedia policy while the supports are not. That is not enough, because nobody understands why. Please take care on this issue.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 19:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
I just saw Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2022 March#Wikipedia Star Trek Into Darkness_controversy_(closed) speedy closed. The discussion was at Talk:List of Wikipedia controversies#Merge Wikipedia Star Trek Into Darkness controversy to List of Wikipedia controversies.
Why not expand MR to include Wikipedia:Proposed article mergers closure reviews? There are some strong similarities. WP:AN does not function well for close reviews. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 06:04, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2022_May#Berbers_(closed) was a bad close.
User:Paine_Ellsworth, please revert your close.
If someone was being uncivil, take them to ANI for an admin to block them. Do not shut down procedural review pages like that. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 08:25, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I was recently involved in a protracted discussion over the move of Vukovar-Syrmia article to Vukovar-Srijem. While I am obviously not happy with the outcome I accept it as a fact. Nevertheless, I asked for some further clarification in this edit but so far I haven't received any feedback (I believe editor in question may be very busy with other tasks so maybe somebody else will be available). I wanted to ask if there is any procedure alternative to formal move review (as I do acknowledge the outcome) in which this specific concern may be addressed? MirkoS18 ( talk) 10:01, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
By accident, I did not sign my Move Review request initially [6]. I then added my sign late [7]. Question is: are there signing-effects missed, link pings? I did notice the involved closer separately all right. - DePiep ( talk) 22:08, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Two editors, myself and User:Graham Beards have complained about the closure at Talk:Mpox#Requested move 28 February 2023. The point isn't that we are unhappy the page remains at mpox. Both of us are exasperated frankly about this waste of time. The point is the non-admin closure comments by User:Red Slash were personally opinionated and lecturing as well as being factually incorrect.
For background, a page move discussion opened on 28th November 2022, shortly after WHO officially changed the name (they are the international body in charge of naming diseases). At the time, editors wanted to see if the name was accepted. By 28th December it was clear that it was accepted and the change had already occurred in many places online. The discussion was advertised at WT:MED. On the 28th January (two months after the initial name change proposal), admin User:SilkTork agreed there was consensus for change to mpox. On 31st January I posted message to nearly 40 related article talk pages and to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Current events/Monkeypox outbreak task force. We discused how to go about renaming those too.
Then out of the blue on 28 Feburary an editor opens up an RM asking for the name to be moved back to monkeypox. We would at this point, be the only publication on the planet choosing to go back to the old name. This editor admitted to not having seen the earlier discussion and thought the name change was undiscussed. During the RM discussion, it was clear that folk coming from this noticeboard had not done their research about the disease name nor seemed aware of WP:NAMECHANGES.
I would like an admin to re-close the discussion in a proper manner. Not voice their own surprise that mpox was actually the common name in 2023. Not lecture folk about using RM. Not get their facts wrong about consensus and the earlier discussion. Is it appropriate to use a "move review" to request that, even if the outcome is the same. Or could someone more experienced with naming closures just do the job better instead. There isn't frankly a lot that needs to be said. Something like "As many editors pointed out
WP:NAMECHANGES requires us to give weight to sources and reliable publications written after a name change. This has been amply done with numerous examples given. Editors complaining about the new name not conforming to COMMONNAME didn't offer any evidence to support that."
--
Colin°
Talk
18:43, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
We've stated in our requirements for quite some time that it's required (in bold) to talk to closers first.
I therefore summarily up and closed the MRV for Grey Goose. Apparently there's some super-complicated history about the close and it was overturned or something but I had no idea any of that happened, I just closed a move request, and instead of telling me like he was required to the guy just posts a move review immediately. I may well have overturned myself if he'd just posted on my talk page first.
In the future, I suggest to anyone; when someone goes so outside our procedures to make a MRV without communicating with the closer first, just close it automatically. Red Slash 21:14, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Thinking of Wikipedia:Move review#Hindu terrorism as a current example, should <involved> editors be welcome to keep posting in the review until all but one is exhausted? No, this is a classic non-consensus behaviour.
I suggest that where an involved editors exceeds 10 posts or 10kB in a single discussion, they should be required to put their contribution on the review talk page.
Involved editors should contribute, especially to answer questions, but in any review process, involved parties should not be allowed to dominate proceedings. Some threshold of decorum, please. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 04:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
I've seen RfCs and RMs withdrawn when there were a lot of editors opposing and no support in a short period of time. By extension, at MRV any withdrawals should be only with a lot of editors endorsing. A recent review at WP:MR#Albert von Sachsen (closed) was withdrawn by the nom with three endorsements and three non-endorsements. Under the circumstances in this particular case this MRV likely needed to be closed, but was withdrawal appropriate? Shouldn't it still have been closed by an uninvolved editor? Just concerned about the precedent that is being set by this withdrawal. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 11:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
There's an odd situation at Talk:Black Breath (band). User:Pppery proposed a move to Black Breath as the only article with the title. It gathered two support !votes and was closed as Moved by User:Lightoil after 7 days. Rather than start a Move Review or new RM, User:Chiswick Chap simply reverted the move and close, and posted a notice at WT:WikiProject Middle-earth. It's since gathered oppose !votes. What's the best procedure in a situation like this? Station1 ( talk) 20:48, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Version 8.10 of RMCD bot has enhanced notifications service and has posted a notice at Talk:Nazgûl#Move discussion in progress. Because Wikipedia:WikiProject Middle-earth/Article alerts exists, no notice will be posted on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth as the bot assumes that the Article Alerts service covers notices, and avoids posting unnecessary, redundant notices. The older version of the bot previously posted a notice on Talk:Black Breath, the talk page of a redirect. – wbm1058 ( talk) 16:16, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
How do I open a move review for several pages at once? Please mention me for whoever does respond Yoblyblob ( talk) 15:54, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
When the clock strikes midnight on Wednesday, I'm going to take 60 seconds out of my day to watchlist (and, if no one beats me to it, transclude) Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2023 November. Maybe some of you will too. Maybe others of you went through and watchlisted every single future log page for years to come. ( Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2027 December already has four watchers.) Watchlisting the monthly log is the only way to be notified when a new MR comes up. Why? Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just run MRs directly on Wikipedia:Move review? MRs are sufficiently uncommon that the page wouldn't be overwhelmed (the number of open MRs is almost always between 0 and 3), and giving editors a single page to watchlist would likely reduce the hassle and increase uninvolved participation in discussions. Thoughts? Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 00:27, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Regarding Transformers (film), this article has been relisted a third time despite thirteen editors' involvement. I question the judgment of BilledMammal as a non-admin page mover, especially in regard to calling a "no consensus", here and with another RM discussion recently (details on talk page). See RM discussion here: Transformers (film) § Requested move 17 May 2024. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 21:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)