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It should be noted on the news template that the leak was contained within the facility and it poses no danger. Just saying that a large amount of material has been leaked makes Wikipedia seem more like tabloid style scaremongering :P Darksun 11:13, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Ok, ed_g2s, complain here instead of reverting. -- brian0918 ™ 13:28, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Please fix this. -- Jpbrenna 04:57, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ecuador president removed from power: SEE Template:In the news/Candidate FOR THE BLURB TO PUT ON THE TEMPLATE. — Cantus… ☎ 19:08, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
Medtronic, Inc. paid US$ 1.35 billion to settle a patent lawsuit and also to acquire disputed spine surgery-related patents from surgeon turned inventor Gary K. Michelson. [1]
It's nice to be an inventor! -- Toytoy 17:25, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
CIA releases classified Vietnam War docs Estimative Products on Vietnam: 1948-1975 Should require some research. [2] - SV| t 21:56, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There's a huge blank space at the bottom of DYK that could be filled with deleted news from ITN. — Cantus… ☎ 02:01, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
I removed the item on V-E Day commemorations from ITN because the updates have been removed from the wikipage. Instead, there is a link to Wikinews. I don't think an external link is good enough as an update for any page to be featured on ITN. But, do we have a policy on keeping the updated information on the wikipage when the wikipage is being featured on the MainPage ? -- PFHLai 15:17, 2005 May 9 (UTC)
I know it's picky, but the phrasing of...
gives the impression that the documents appear to reveal a secret agreement which was already known to exist, and it's a little clumsy. It might work better as:
I hope that makes sense to anyone who's not me... Shimgray 02:25, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Can we try and keep "In the news" front page news, not stories which you are personally attached to, or have an interest in. Check major English language outlets (BBC News, CNN, Google news etc.) before listing stories. ed g2s • talk 18:25, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Note that according to the linked article N3 road, it is the M3 motorway that's planned to run by the Hill of Tara. So the proper link is [[N3 road|M3 motorway]]--the "M3" is not a mistake. Demi T/ C 05:34, 2005 May 13 (UTC)
I am sorry that I have to do this, but I can't be the only that sees this discrepancy... that is, why has N3 road been on the FRONT PAGE for so long [3]. Is this really THE story we pride ourselves as encyclopedic? Is this an even we need to run around and update our history books... I know we're different, but is Britannica sweating that their not covering the M3? Why aren't we talking about unrest in Uzbekistan, that's a history changer, or the Beatification of Pope John Paul II, or even Malcolm Glazer and the Manchester United event -- it'll be huge if this team becomes 'American owned'. Either way, we need to update our stories each day (or 30hrs), All Current Event articles should have a fair share on the homepage time split. Hope you understand, lets work together ~ RoboAction 00:47, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
The Ellsworth and Hanscom Air Bases are no more inherently valuable than any of the other installations in the BRAC round (they're all on the chopping block, after all). The BRAC round also includes scores of smaller emplacements. -- Alexwcovington ( talk) 00:10, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
We shall run this article. -- Toytoy 02:58, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
Instead of having the Canadian flag here, which seems a bit generic and non-descriptive, how about using Image:Parliament2.jpg? – Minh Nguyễn ( talk, contribs, blog) 02:26, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
I do not consider the Eurovision song contest news of international importance. Same for Super Bowl, Academy Awards, American Idol, etc. Being a North American, what is the Eurovision song contest? This does not need to be on the front page. I think this should be replaced with more important news. Andrew pmk 01:16, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Nobody cares about Eurovision outside Europe. We should instead have items on Afghanistan, North Korea and Iraq. It's not a slow news day. -- Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 16:06, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Instead of complaining, the best way to deal with this is to update an article with news materials, update Current events and post it on ITN (or the Candidate page for non-Admins) to displace an old item, and eventually the item you don't think deserve to be there. A line on the young Chilean soldiers frozen to death would be appropriate, but I don't know what page should get the update. The last United Nations peacekeepers leaving East Timor would be good, too, but United Nations Mission of Support to East Timor is a red link. Etoumbi is too stubby to feature for the Ebola outbreak there. Any new developments regarding land reform in Brazil after the 17-day march of the Landless Workers' Movement ? Too old ? ... I give up. ... Perhaps the local elections in North Rhine-Westphalia, which prompted the German national elections to take place a year early, should be considered. Could someone familiar with politics in Germany take a look at this, please ? -- PFHLai 06:21, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
The eurovision song contest was a nice piece of interesting news. The viewing figures for the final were nearly 80 million and this excludes Australians (which, btw Golbez, is outside of Europe) who watched it 12 hours later. If you have never heard of the contest Andrew pmk, then you should have clicked on the link and read about it. What's the point in having an encyclopaedia if you're uninteresting in things you don't already know about? Dmn / Դմն 09:22, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
THREE items on ITN are about Europe. Clearly, there is an anti-American bias at work. *snigger* -- Golbez 14:02, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
Do we have to call it soccer? I say this because very few people in Liverpool would call it "soccer". It is football. Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 08:38, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Kevin Baas talk: new 22:25, 2005 May 26 (UTC)
Thanks. Wikipedia articles that have been updated:
The news is very recent and so far has only been picked up by 4 news sources. Kevin Baas talk: new 03:01, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
This edit summary at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates is disconcerting .... -- 199.71.174.100 05:34, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
Update Dutch referendum to 62%. — Cantus… ☎ 03:09, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
IMHO William Proxmire's death is notable enough to belong in in the news. [4] John Kenney 00:14, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think perhaps there should be some mention of the recent controversy related to the Srebrenica Massacre. For those of you who don't know, a video showing the execution of 6 civilians from Srebrenica in 1995 by a unit under the command of the Serbian govt was revealed during Hague testimony and has since been shown throughout the balkans. Asim Led 05:13, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
See recent deaths and [5]. The death of a former vice president definately belongs in the in the news box. John Kenney 23:37, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
IMHO, the link to "The Pentagon" should be piped to "United States Department of Defense", like this:
Reason: The article at "The Pentagon" is about the building. The phrase "The Pentagon" is commonly used as a metonym for the USDOD, much like "The White House" is commonly used to refer to the (U.S.) Presidency. The Pentagon (the building) obviously can't confirm or deny anything, but USDOD certainly can. I'm an admin, so I could do it myself, but I want to see what others think of this idea. Dale Arnett 05:40, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
When we talk about the daily "sodium intake", we do not mean to take a bite of sodium the metal. It always means sodium chloride. However, I think the separation of the USDOD and its main building is a good practice. It pays to be precise. At least to me, I cannot be sure if 1000 mg of "sodium" means 1000 mg of Na+ ion or 1000 mg of NaCl. (You may intake sodium ion from other sources such as MSG.) -- My true identity: The Depth-Challenged Throat 20:11, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
Can you people take a look at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates and update at least the tennis item?? Protecting this template was a really lousy idea. — Cantus… ☎ 18:31, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
This template is way too large for the Main Page. Some items need to be purged. — Cantus… ☎ 21:15, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia headlines say that László Sólyom is the leader of the opposition. This is not true however, he was only the candidate of the opposition, as he is not a member of any party. Hope you'll correct it. -- Sicboy 23:34, 2005 Jun 7 (UTC)
Also, if he's the guy pictured, shouldn't the entry say (pictured at right)? Bloodshedder 20:24, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The item about the killings in Ethiopia says "..killed at demonstrations in Addis Ababa between police and students..." This would be better worded as: "...killed in clashes between the police and students following demonstrations in Addis Ababa..." Currently it makes it sound like the police were also demonstrating somehow, which I'd guess they weren't... — pmcm 17:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Much better, thanks! — pmcm 23:07, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Could whomever changes the top story, also remember to change or remove the image as well? I've seen non-matching images several times recently ( 900 year old European constitution?, Mugabe presedent of Hungary?) and I never know if the image actually corresponds to the top story unless I either look at the alt-text or click on it.
Darrien 08:43, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)
No mention about what's happening in Bolivia? Google News puts Bolivia on top, with 1024 articles off the main article...here it's not even mentioned. Ruy Lopez 03:04, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Is there a policy regarding protecting images that are from Commons, as the current picture of the Bolivian president is? I can't seem to find any discussion on the ITN pages. - Banyan Tree 15:47, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Simply out of curiosity - wasn't the result posted here at wikipedia even before it was out!! Is it not unfair that even though the last verdict was being read someone had already posted not guilty on the main page.
The TMS/MRBI poll on the EU constitution is newsworthy for a number of reasons:
So this is not a case of simply reporting any old poll, but a notoriously reliable poll that reveals that the European Constitution is in even more trouble than expected, with even the dead cert supposedly pro-yes Irish actually being a dead cert 'no'. With the French and Dutch voting 'no', the Danish about to vote 'no', and now the Irish in an MRBI poll polling 'no', the constitution is not merely in critical condition but stone dead. FearÉIREANN (talk) 19:12, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The wording is the responsibility of a notorious troll who has been vandalising everything I write of late. The individual concerned is currently the subject of an investigation by the Arbitration Committee. He has previously added in fiction and misinformation on other articles. I will correct that page to read what I had been trying to add in when I got caught up in an edit conflict with the individual. (Though going by his past behaviour he will no doubt doctor that too and appear here delivering more personal abuse. His behaviour is currently being monitored by senior wikipedians and action is likely against him.) FearÉIREANN (talk) 19:40, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It requires far too much context to try to put a case for the newsworthiness of this poll. Therefore it does not belong on the front page.
The current top item on ITN, the one about whaling, could use a full stop. Thanks. -- 65.95.104.93 16:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In the Supreme Court headline, it should be "primarily commerical" rather than "primary commercial". Ddye 17:16, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 17:52, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The later transcription seems to be more usual im English (by a factor of 100.) -- Wikimol 16:27, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Copied pasted from there:
-- Edcolins June 28, 2005 12:48 (UTC)
Nichalp has reverted the Sandra Day O'Connor item off ITN with the comment "Please keep this free of US-specific articles". This is blanket statement a bit disingenuous, as the lead item is now a Germany-specific article. There is certainly a tendency to put the front page item on US newspapers on ITN that should be resisted, but O'Connor's retirement is a huge event, unlike, for example, the oh-so-international Eurovision. The recent battle over judges in Washington, DC was a dry run for the expected Supreme Court vacancy. The executive and legislative branches of the most powerful country in the world will be at political war for months to determine the nature of the judicial branch. If we want no country-specific items, fine. We can leave the one "multinational" item on ITN and take off the rest. But don't try a "no US-specific articles" line. - Banyan Tree 1 July 2005 15:20 (UTC)
If one is trying to implement a strict interpretation of point three, why wouldn't you remove both the Walton death and German election items, which are not multinational? I would say most of the articles on ITN are "country specific" and not international in scope, but they are international in interest, if you get the distinction. The state of the current US Supreme Court, which has made a number of recent decisions of international interest but not scope, such as the Bush v Gore decision and treatment of "enemy combatants", certainly seems to fall within this range. As for importance, the article states that she is considered one of the top ten most powerful women in the world. The woman is of international interest, the institution she is retiring from is of international interest, the effect of the retirement is of international interest, and I am sincerely confused by the argument that her retirement from the institution is not of international interest. It's going back up, though I'll take Hajor's suggestion to put it under Schröder in the interests of peacemaking. - Banyan Tree 1 July 2005 16:00 (UTC)
I thought this was interesting, and perhaps an indicator of how we're doing. The world news page on El Universal (one of the better Mexican dailies, and probably the one with the most decent dynamic news coverage) currently has five lead stories: four of those are gay marriages in Spain, dissolution of parliament in Germany, resignation of Sandra Day O'Connor, and accusations about Iranian president-elect back in '79. (The one story we haven't covered, and El Universal's main lead, is the ongoing Pinochet investigations in Chile.) WP:ITN is clearly reflecting an excessively Mexican-centric view of world news. –Hajor 1 July 2005 17:13 (UTC)
Its clearly country-specific. If I were to put the following: "The Indian Supreme Court allows Indian citizens to fly the flag on all days of the year. This is of immense interest in India, but hardly of any around the world. =Nichalp «Talk»= July 2, 2005 14:51 (UTC)
Can an administrator please correct the punctuation - it is men's, not mens. -- RobertG ♬ talk 3 July 2005 20:30 (UTC)
since the photo has been replaced with that of the Olympic Games 2012, wouldn't it make sense to remove the "(pictured)" part of that section? -- Natalinasmpf 6 July 2005 12:32 (UTC)
Rather unfortunate and all, about having the Underground incident after the contrasting jovial statement of London hosting the games, but having an Olympics "London 2012" image at the same time while there's the incident in the London Underground is rather inappropriate IMO. I mean, the second news link about London clinching the role for 2012 is one thing, but subconsciously, a "London 2012" image will be appropriated to the first link, especially since it's the only image there. -- Natalinasmpf 7 July 2005 10:50 (UTC)
Oh, bold the "2012 Summer Olympics" link - they are two different news items, just grouped under the same category. -- Natalinasmpf 7 July 2005 10:52 (UTC)
Isn't Dennis this season's fourth hurricane?-- User:Jenmoa 9 July 2005 03:09 (UTC)
The current pic on ITN, Image:SouthernSudanMap.png, needs Mprotection. -- 199.71.174.100 23:55, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
The current pic on ITN, Image:Map of Scotland within the United Kingdom.png, needs Mprotection. Thanks. -- 64.229.220.38 14:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
We should put Image:Flag of Kyrgyzstan.png on Mprotection before we put it up for the election there. Thanks.-- Pharos 04:34, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
The "... US$ 50 billion..." in the first headline looks quite goofy. I suggest "50 billion USD" instead, and I've already changed on the draft. -- Tedpennings 12:55, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
If he won the election, is he really the acting president? — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 03:11, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Why on earth was the image for this changed from the cover of the book to a picture of the outside of a bookstore? The cover looked much neater than this other picture does. =| -- User:Jenmoa 07:36, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
"The English language edition of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince is released around the world with a delayed launch at midnight in every time zone." Not every time zone. Not the few billion in South Africa, Philippines, China, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Jordan, India and Brazil, according to the Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince article. Simple error that might be avoided in the future by checking the very article the story links to. Nothing serious. We muggles make mistakes after all. ;) i c u r i t e
The entry on the London bombings contradict with the information in the article. See the section "Possible suicide bombings" in the article. -- Knut Arne Vedaa 18:43, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
The headline reads: A second series of terrorist attacks hits London. This seems inaccurate to me, they were atempted terrorist attacks, but they failed the bombs didn't go off just the detornators (at least thats what seems to have happened), no body died. The 21 July 2005 London explosions artcle refers to "a series of four small explosions" rather then terrorist attacks. I prepose the headline be A Second terrorist attack on London fails or something like that.-- JK the unwise 09:03, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
"[Y]esterday's attempted bombing attempts" doesn't sound right. Simply "yesterday's bombing attempts" would be sufficient, I believe. - Prizm 17:07, 7-22-05 (CDT)
The link is to the correct page, but the text should read DC Circuit Court of Appeals, if not the full name, because the DC Court of Appeals is a different court. Ddye 20:51, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
link to China should be changed to People's Republic of China! --Apples and Oranges
At least 75 people are killed in a series of bomb explosions in the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh. The new figure is 83, not 75 anymore. Someone change that... -- Dungo (talk) 11:59, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Can someone with sysop powers change "indentify" to "identify", please ? A link to the Metropolitan Police Service page would be nice, too. Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 00:25, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
User:Talrias understandably has interest in NZ politics, mere announcements regarding elections dont make front page news. - SV| t 21:11, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
[i've copied this here from the subpage i'd orginally put it, i'm not sure which place is better]
the first spaceflight since the Columbia disaster in 2003
I've found a whole bunch of other spaceflights since Columbia:
It's frustrating that false information has been put in the News section and the page is protected. Ben Arnold 16:51, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
This reads funny. Does the shuttle lift off or the mission ? Do people really call it the JFK Space Center. Their website calls it 'Kennedy Space Center'. I suggest changing the blurb on the Main Page to:
or
Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 23:28, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I highly object to the word slain on this page with regard to the shooting of Jean de Menezes. Is there really any need for it? Jooler 07:54, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
"Four men have been arrested after the police mistakenly shot Jean de Menezes" The arrested bombing suspects have nothing to do with Jean de Menezes. Can we split this into two sentences/stories, please? -- 161.73.58.135 14:22, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Mumbai floods toll at 430 BBC
Nothing on the discovery of ice on the surface of Mars? [6] Grutness... wha?
It's probably worth throwing in 2005 FY9 alongside the other two currently listed as being found yesterday, as it's brighter than 2003 EL61. - The Tom 20:29, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
It is widely reported that he was 84 years old, not 82. - Calmypal (T) 13:00, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
Rafael Palmeiro has just become by far the highest-profile player in Major League Baseball to be suspended for violating MLB's new steroid policy. It's especially notable for two reasons:
Newslink: (AP/Yahoo!)
I'm an admin, but I didn't want to put it on the template without comments.— Dale Arnett 18:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Update: I had a brainfart! I should have noticed the "Candidate" link! I'll put this story up there, if it isn't already.— Dale Arnett 18:36, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is no longer pictured on the right as the template indicates. The flag is.-- Will2k 13:41, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
Almost all the content in AS-28 is present in Priz class. The AS-28 article should probably be merged into Priz class to prevent duplication and the articles getting out of sync. There are less than 5 of these small (3-6 man) vessels so even if they all were involved in notable events they could be covered in the Priz class article. Doing the required redirect and merge would result in two links to the same article on the main page.
Template needs updating now vessel resurfaced and all crew alive. Suggest: A Priz class mini-submarine of the Russian Navy, the AS-28, which had been disabled and sunk in an accident near Kamchatka has resurfaced following assistance from the British Royal Navy, the seven-man crew are all alive.
There is a spelling error - should be "international". =Travisyoung= 04:15, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
An Israeli terrorist in Israeli army uniform, wearing the Jewish skull-cap shot 4 Arab-Israeli citizens to death. Of the four victims two were sisters (muslim) and two were Christian Arabs. Thousands of mourners attended the funerals. Can someone please include this in the "In The News" section since it seems only people with special privileges can update that page. Thanks. -- here is one of numerous links in the news.
If you just want to write news articles, go to Wikinews. Dan100 ( Talk) 10:10, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
The ITN section is getting a little long, maybe we could drop Michaëlle Jean? Ddye 23:03, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
... that's quite a few deaths on the front page! Pretty lethal template we have here... - Ta bu shi da yu 07:26, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Can we get consensus on this? Otherwise, it's going to be an edit war everytime somebody puts up the death of a figure who was a "former" something. I would like to suggest a seventh line to the guidelines, along the lines of:
This an attempt to make the general case that if somebody hasn't bothered to write something like Death and state funeral of Ronald Reagan or Funeral of Pope John Paul II, or if the best description that can be given is "S/he once did great things", then it shouldn't go on ITN. Without detracting from their achievements, there are any number of people who die every day who have done notable things. The "multiple articles" bit comes from an observation of mine that non-notable deaths of notable people tend to be summed up in a blurb at the bottom of the article, while the notable deaths result in modifications to articles on political processes and structures, other political figures whose relative power has shifted, etc. Thoughts? - Banyan Tree 15:37, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
Jack Abramoff, a key figure in the ethics investigations into...
Is he an investigator or a suspect in the investigations? It isn't clear. -- Dtcdthingy 22:51, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
These charges are not directly relalted to DeLay. I really don't think this story has the international significance to be on here. Ddye 03:46, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
And shouldn't there be mention that all this relates to the States? Whenever an article comes up about any other country, the country is mentioned, but here there is no mention of the United States at all.-- Madison Gray 20:32, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Why is Abramoff even major news? This reeks of POV. 24.1.97.187 00:31, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
What's with the Lufthansa plane? -- Merovingian (t) (c) 20:00, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
The Lufthansa plane is a 737-300, just like the downed Helios plane, so it's illustrative. I don't think we should be using fair use images on the main page.-- Pharos 20:20, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
The following section on the disengagement is no longer accurate:
Israel began the disengagement on the 15th, this is already the beginning of Day 4 of the disengagement see the headline at [www.haaretz.com]
A better sentence might be "The Israeli military continues forcibly evacuating Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip as part of the disengagement plan.
GabrielF 00:52, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Just wanna point out that "(right)" next to Sergei K. Krikalev no longer applies, and needs to be removed. And also, the wrong image file was Mprotected. Image:Flag of Western Sahara.png is on ITN right now, not the protected Image:800px-Flag of Western Sahara.png. Please fix. Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 07:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
It might be best to alter this to "broke the record for the most days spent in space", as: a) if this stays up longer, the number will be wrong, since he's broken his previous record by another day; and b) per Jim Oberg here, it seems that technically he doesn't "set" a new record (as opposed to simply beating the old one) until the old one's exceeded by 10% (which seems a bit picky to me, but there you go). Shimgray 18:58, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
The Armstrong story doesn't belong here, he has been accused of doping many times before. This story isn't ITN material at all until something more concrete is discovered. Ddye 15:58, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
L'Equipe is a 'sports newspaper, not a cycling paper. They cover all sorts of sports, including cycling. Please change this. -- Zantastik talk 16:04, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
I've added interwiki links to all 10K Wikipedias with an analogue to ITN. The interwiki is only visible when looking directly at the template, thanks to the new <noinclude> tag (see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Interlanguage links in templates).-- Pharos 18:08, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Seems like there's an ITN edit war over " U.S. televangelist Pat Robertson calls for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez." I strongly feel that this doesn't belong on ITN. Pat Robertson is a TV show host. Sure, he's run for president a few times but that doesn't make him a politician. Basically he's a celebrity, and celebs say stupid things all the time. It's not newsworthy, so I removed it again. Know what though? If someone replaces the Pat Robertson thing, I'll leave it there - but I'll wait for the next stupid thing Bill Maher or Al Franken says, and I expect that I'll be allowed to post it on ITN. Rhobite 00:58, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Being the top cable story doesn't matter. Have we had Cindy Sheehan or Natalie Holloway on there? -- Golbez 01:52, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
I'd revert now if I didn't try follow 1RR. This link is Broken 02:20, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
The tropical storm item has been removed, making this story the top one, yet the image is still of Florida, which has AFAIK no relation to Pat Robertson's story. – Minh Nguyễn ( talk, contribs, blog) 21:04, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Could we please stop acting like children? If someone has added an item, respect his/her judgment and wait until it falls off the bottom of the page rather than removing it. (FWIW I think both the Chavez and Tibet stories are reasonable additions, but it's not worth edit-warring about). Mark 1 03:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Katrina now has its own article Hurricane Katrina (2005). If it really threatens to be something much worse, it may get the main article. CrazyC83 16:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
I don't think the resignation of John Brogden as New South Wales Opposition Leader is note-worthy enough for the Main Page. Bob Carr resigned last month and wasn't mentioned here, and he was Premier! Sure, it's a controversy, but one that is confined to New South Wales, or at best, Australia. It's not of international significance.-- Cyberjunkie | Talk 08:31, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree the
Pat Robertson story should stay, it definitely passes the muster. Let's
avoid terms like crap though shall we?
And yes, the Atiku Abubakar thing should be listed here too, though I'd be more comfortable with it if the article were cleaned up a little first. -- fvw * 03:47, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
Noone thinks Brogden should be on the main page, Ta bu shi da yu is using this template to violate WP:POINT.-- nixie 03:49, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Whatever... please keep details in the article. Only headlines on ITN, please. Please see the Candidates page for a suggested shortened version. -- 199.71.174.100 04:13, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
You know what annoys me? People getting agitated over relatively minor incidents. Ta bu shi da yu, it was discussed prior - I raised it here, and Violetriga concurred in his edit summary and so later did nixie. (And please, try and be more polite - keep the wikilove). As to the notability of the story, I dispute it. Yes, it was carried by all major news organisations, as one expect it to be. But no organisation (at least, none of those I checked) outside Australia featured it prominently. Rather, it was relegated to "World", and sometimes even a sub-division thereof. The Pat Robertson story, by contrast, was internationally significant - a prominent person (a religious one no less, with "followers" world-wide) advocating the assassination of a world leader. How is that not notable? However, I concede there does tend to be US-centrism in the stories selected, and far many more internationally significant events have occurred since the Robertson saga. It's just, Brogden wasn't one. I still think it should be replaced.-- Cyberjunkie | Talk 05:27, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Just think about it logically and rationally. Brogden's comments and suicide attempt are nothing compared with the other events of global magnitude. I'd say get rid of it from ITN... Enochlau 14:18, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
The current map is pretty useless as it is. Nobody can make out any detail. It just looks like some mixture of blue, orange, and black lines. Can we get the picture enlarged, replaced with another one, or done away with entirely.-- Will2k 19:55, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
The correct wiki link is: Baghdad bridge stampede. -- ThomasK 07:29, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
1,000 people die in a bridge collapse yesterday, and all the news talks about is this damn hurricane, as if it was unexpected. Who knew there'd be hurricanes in hurricane season??? Why is this more newsworthy than the 1000 dead (and countless injured) in the bridge collapse? Are you telling me "efforts" are not still underway to help the the injured in Baghdad? — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-09-1 21:19
In fact golbs, there is an article on the bridge collapse. I was under the impression, however, that the "biggest" event went first, and while 1,000 dead is certainly tragic, there could easily be that many dead in New Orleans plus all the bad stuff mentioned above.
And don't think of this as something that was "expected". Sure we get hurricanes every year, but this event has most likely dwarfed every major natural disaster in the history of the United States. Don't treat it lightly. -- tomf688< TALK> 21:28, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
As expected, the number of dead was inflated by a few orders of magnitude in order to bring in the $$$ and ratings. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-09-15 22:19
It doesn't matter now, since the death of Rehnquist has trumped both stories. Or does this just add to the American bias? Bratsche talk | Esperanza 03:53, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
I have to agree with you there, Cyber. Damn Constitution. ;) -- tomf688< TALK> 15:04, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
I think the Mandala airlines flight disaster in Indonesia should be displayed above the Rehnquist replacement. It is an ongoing event with over 150 dead, and seems of higher notability than Roberts' nomination. -- Cyberjunkie | Talk 03:48, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Hurricane Katrina is now the bottom-listed article on ITN (of, unusually, a six-item listing) and thus on the brink of removal. But I wonder whether anyone is going to be brave enough to follow SOP and bump it off when the time comes and, in any case, whether that would be the right move. Perhaps we should (exceptionally, and at the risk of setting a precedent) bump off the second-lowest story -- currently, Typhoon Talim? –Hajor 17:13, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Yulia Tymoshenko is a woman, so it was her cabinet, not his! – Kpalion (talk) 09:07, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
I just noticed that too. Can we please have this corrected. 194.66.226.95 10:31, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
The link in to "mismanagement" (in Hurricane Katrina) leads to "Bush administration". Is this entirely NPOV? Thincat 10:57, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Can we change "Japan general election: Junichiro Koizumi's Liberal Democratic Party wins 296 of 480 seats in the House of Representatives." to "Japan general election: Junichiro Koizumi's ruling bloc wins a landslide victory in the lower house of the Diet of Japan"? A word landslide is, I think, gives a more accurate clear picture. -- Taku 00:23, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
It's only 87 seats, not 88. http://odin.dep.no/krd/html/valgresultat2005/frameset.html AP:61 + SV:15 + SP:11 = 87 demo 07:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I wonder if we might want to encourage a style where the primary, bolded article is generally placed at the start of an entry. I think this approach might make ITN a bit easier to scan at a glance. Here's a comparison of the different approaches:
Of course, this shouldn't be a foolish rule when it could create an awkward wording, but simply a style guidline. What's the general thought on this?-- Pharos 23:07, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I think it looks pretty ugly. Its only 4 lines of text - and the most relevant link is bolded, its not hard to miss.-- nixie 23:11, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Can I suggest that we remove the UK petrol panic item, since filling stations are back to normal and the rolling roadblocks are not even a major story in the UK any more, let alone internationally? If no one objects, I'll remove it myself. -- Heron 18:44, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
why are the german liberals (more votes than the greens or the left party) not mentioned? NOTE german liberal = NOT american liberal. Aleichem 23:05, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
The item should be updated. Preliminary official results are a lot more than "early ballot counts". In fact, this result is as final as it will get for the next two weeks. -- Qualle ( talk) 16:01, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if I'll revert this just yet, but the death of Simon Wiesenthal does not meet our obituary criteria. Certainly his life's mission was very notable, but his death in itself is not a major event.-- Pharos 17:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Please see above Template talk:In the news#Obituaries section. -- PFHLai 16:51, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
How do I remove the Iraq War link on the front page? The story about the two british soldiers has been removed from that article. It doesn't fit there, since it is far too soon to assume it is an important encyclopedic event in the war. Is there some current events page that should be linked to instead?-- Silverback 10:32, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
DeLay's name is incorrectly capitalized at the present moment. NatusRoma 18:09, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
"New Zealand general election: Helen Clark of the Labour Party returns for a third term as Prime Minister."
The new Government still hasn't been formed, so she hasn't officially returned for a third term as Prime Minister yet. The statement above is for news that has is probable, if not certain, but which has not yet occured.
According to Current events "she is set to form a third-term government after the National's lose a seat" and according to Current events in Australia and New Zealand she "must now confirm minor party support to form the new government". i c u r i t e 01:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Could the image of the gorilla (as fascinating as it is) be replaced by either Image:2005 Bali bombings SCTV screenshot.jpg or Image:Bali blast 2005.jpg, or even Image:Indonesia flag large.png? There's a pretty decent article on the incident going now, and it should feature as our leading event, picture and all.-- Cyberjunkie | Talk 04:38, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Can we get some info up now? — Sverdrup 18:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and Mohamed ElBaradei are awarded the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize. — Cantus… ☎ 09:11, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
2005 South Asia earthquake was moved to 2005 Kashmir earthquake, so please change the template to reflect the move and remove the redirect. Tito xd( ?!?) 07:19, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Angela Merkel will not lead a "jamaika coalition" (part of that coalition are the "black" party CDU, the green party and the liberal "yellow" party FDP; the article is in the point of the coalitions parts correct). The coalition of CDU and SPD called "great coalition", because CDU/CSU and SPD are the traditionel strongest parties in Germany.
The statement is unclear in that it seems to indicate that four days have already passed, when it is possible that they will not be in orbit for four days.
Shenzhou 6 has landed and the astronauts are reported in good health. - Ahseaton 22:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is the news content backwards, with the most recent on the bottom? I need a sysop to please fix this, or tell me this is a false alarm (I'm pretty darn sure it's not though). We should also discuss how to prevent this from happening again. HereToHelp 22:11, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm sure this has been dealt with, but I was wondering if someone could explain why there are no references to news sources (e.g. BBC, CNN, whatever) in the ITN section. One has to go to the "More current events..." section for these details. Is it not appropriate to reference them in the ITN template also, or at least indicate that further information (not just "More") can be found on the "More current events..." page? Cheers, Ben Cairns 12:32, 19 October 2005 (UTC).
Hey guys, can we find some other way to describe this page than ITN? ITN here may mean In The News but elsewhere, particularly in the media, it is the name of an internationally known broadcasting organisation Independent Television News that broadcasts ITV News and Channel 4 News in the UK (Five, I think also) and is used all around the world. I know some people in the broadcasting world are slightly miffed (understatement) that we are using a registered broadcaster's acronym.
Some people here thought that when they see ITN here it means that we are using their wire service. Others in the real ITN have had people blame them for errors we've had (or not so much errors as badly worded information). Right now it is just a few people I've come across who are miffed, but if we get something seriously wrong and it shows up in google searches with the acronym ITN it could be made an issue of. When a page has CNN, BBC, ABC, RTÉ etc on it, it is rather inadvisable to use ITN on the same page. In that context who can blame people for thinking it is Independent Television News and not merely our own inhouse acronym for our own page. FearÉIREANN \ (caint) 00:49, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
The template needs to be updated. the top story right now is Wilma's effect on Mexico and the impending impact on Florida. Another thing that needs to be included is UN report on Syria and US's opinion on it. Even the Saddam trial item needs to be updated to mention the security aspects, the abduction and killing of Saddam's lawyer. Another story that could be mentioned is the burning of bodies of Taliban fighters by US troops and its impact. -- Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 10:33, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
Are stories only allowed if they're about people dying? Is that why we can't mention the record-breaking hurricane season? —
BRIAN
0918 • 2005-10-24 04:18
The blurb about Hurricane Wilma needs to be changed from "approach" to "made landfall"-- GraemeMcRae talk 15:39, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
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It should be noted on the news template that the leak was contained within the facility and it poses no danger. Just saying that a large amount of material has been leaked makes Wikipedia seem more like tabloid style scaremongering :P Darksun 11:13, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Ok, ed_g2s, complain here instead of reverting. -- brian0918 ™ 13:28, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Please fix this. -- Jpbrenna 04:57, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ecuador president removed from power: SEE Template:In the news/Candidate FOR THE BLURB TO PUT ON THE TEMPLATE. — Cantus… ☎ 19:08, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
Medtronic, Inc. paid US$ 1.35 billion to settle a patent lawsuit and also to acquire disputed spine surgery-related patents from surgeon turned inventor Gary K. Michelson. [1]
It's nice to be an inventor! -- Toytoy 17:25, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
CIA releases classified Vietnam War docs Estimative Products on Vietnam: 1948-1975 Should require some research. [2] - SV| t 21:56, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There's a huge blank space at the bottom of DYK that could be filled with deleted news from ITN. — Cantus… ☎ 02:01, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
I removed the item on V-E Day commemorations from ITN because the updates have been removed from the wikipage. Instead, there is a link to Wikinews. I don't think an external link is good enough as an update for any page to be featured on ITN. But, do we have a policy on keeping the updated information on the wikipage when the wikipage is being featured on the MainPage ? -- PFHLai 15:17, 2005 May 9 (UTC)
I know it's picky, but the phrasing of...
gives the impression that the documents appear to reveal a secret agreement which was already known to exist, and it's a little clumsy. It might work better as:
I hope that makes sense to anyone who's not me... Shimgray 02:25, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Can we try and keep "In the news" front page news, not stories which you are personally attached to, or have an interest in. Check major English language outlets (BBC News, CNN, Google news etc.) before listing stories. ed g2s • talk 18:25, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Note that according to the linked article N3 road, it is the M3 motorway that's planned to run by the Hill of Tara. So the proper link is [[N3 road|M3 motorway]]--the "M3" is not a mistake. Demi T/ C 05:34, 2005 May 13 (UTC)
I am sorry that I have to do this, but I can't be the only that sees this discrepancy... that is, why has N3 road been on the FRONT PAGE for so long [3]. Is this really THE story we pride ourselves as encyclopedic? Is this an even we need to run around and update our history books... I know we're different, but is Britannica sweating that their not covering the M3? Why aren't we talking about unrest in Uzbekistan, that's a history changer, or the Beatification of Pope John Paul II, or even Malcolm Glazer and the Manchester United event -- it'll be huge if this team becomes 'American owned'. Either way, we need to update our stories each day (or 30hrs), All Current Event articles should have a fair share on the homepage time split. Hope you understand, lets work together ~ RoboAction 00:47, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
The Ellsworth and Hanscom Air Bases are no more inherently valuable than any of the other installations in the BRAC round (they're all on the chopping block, after all). The BRAC round also includes scores of smaller emplacements. -- Alexwcovington ( talk) 00:10, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
We shall run this article. -- Toytoy 02:58, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
Instead of having the Canadian flag here, which seems a bit generic and non-descriptive, how about using Image:Parliament2.jpg? – Minh Nguyễn ( talk, contribs, blog) 02:26, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
I do not consider the Eurovision song contest news of international importance. Same for Super Bowl, Academy Awards, American Idol, etc. Being a North American, what is the Eurovision song contest? This does not need to be on the front page. I think this should be replaced with more important news. Andrew pmk 01:16, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Nobody cares about Eurovision outside Europe. We should instead have items on Afghanistan, North Korea and Iraq. It's not a slow news day. -- Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 16:06, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Instead of complaining, the best way to deal with this is to update an article with news materials, update Current events and post it on ITN (or the Candidate page for non-Admins) to displace an old item, and eventually the item you don't think deserve to be there. A line on the young Chilean soldiers frozen to death would be appropriate, but I don't know what page should get the update. The last United Nations peacekeepers leaving East Timor would be good, too, but United Nations Mission of Support to East Timor is a red link. Etoumbi is too stubby to feature for the Ebola outbreak there. Any new developments regarding land reform in Brazil after the 17-day march of the Landless Workers' Movement ? Too old ? ... I give up. ... Perhaps the local elections in North Rhine-Westphalia, which prompted the German national elections to take place a year early, should be considered. Could someone familiar with politics in Germany take a look at this, please ? -- PFHLai 06:21, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
The eurovision song contest was a nice piece of interesting news. The viewing figures for the final were nearly 80 million and this excludes Australians (which, btw Golbez, is outside of Europe) who watched it 12 hours later. If you have never heard of the contest Andrew pmk, then you should have clicked on the link and read about it. What's the point in having an encyclopaedia if you're uninteresting in things you don't already know about? Dmn / Դմն 09:22, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
THREE items on ITN are about Europe. Clearly, there is an anti-American bias at work. *snigger* -- Golbez 14:02, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
Do we have to call it soccer? I say this because very few people in Liverpool would call it "soccer". It is football. Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 08:38, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Kevin Baas talk: new 22:25, 2005 May 26 (UTC)
Thanks. Wikipedia articles that have been updated:
The news is very recent and so far has only been picked up by 4 news sources. Kevin Baas talk: new 03:01, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
This edit summary at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates is disconcerting .... -- 199.71.174.100 05:34, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
Update Dutch referendum to 62%. — Cantus… ☎ 03:09, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
IMHO William Proxmire's death is notable enough to belong in in the news. [4] John Kenney 00:14, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think perhaps there should be some mention of the recent controversy related to the Srebrenica Massacre. For those of you who don't know, a video showing the execution of 6 civilians from Srebrenica in 1995 by a unit under the command of the Serbian govt was revealed during Hague testimony and has since been shown throughout the balkans. Asim Led 05:13, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
See recent deaths and [5]. The death of a former vice president definately belongs in the in the news box. John Kenney 23:37, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
IMHO, the link to "The Pentagon" should be piped to "United States Department of Defense", like this:
Reason: The article at "The Pentagon" is about the building. The phrase "The Pentagon" is commonly used as a metonym for the USDOD, much like "The White House" is commonly used to refer to the (U.S.) Presidency. The Pentagon (the building) obviously can't confirm or deny anything, but USDOD certainly can. I'm an admin, so I could do it myself, but I want to see what others think of this idea. Dale Arnett 05:40, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
When we talk about the daily "sodium intake", we do not mean to take a bite of sodium the metal. It always means sodium chloride. However, I think the separation of the USDOD and its main building is a good practice. It pays to be precise. At least to me, I cannot be sure if 1000 mg of "sodium" means 1000 mg of Na+ ion or 1000 mg of NaCl. (You may intake sodium ion from other sources such as MSG.) -- My true identity: The Depth-Challenged Throat 20:11, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
Can you people take a look at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates and update at least the tennis item?? Protecting this template was a really lousy idea. — Cantus… ☎ 18:31, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
This template is way too large for the Main Page. Some items need to be purged. — Cantus… ☎ 21:15, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia headlines say that László Sólyom is the leader of the opposition. This is not true however, he was only the candidate of the opposition, as he is not a member of any party. Hope you'll correct it. -- Sicboy 23:34, 2005 Jun 7 (UTC)
Also, if he's the guy pictured, shouldn't the entry say (pictured at right)? Bloodshedder 20:24, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The item about the killings in Ethiopia says "..killed at demonstrations in Addis Ababa between police and students..." This would be better worded as: "...killed in clashes between the police and students following demonstrations in Addis Ababa..." Currently it makes it sound like the police were also demonstrating somehow, which I'd guess they weren't... — pmcm 17:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Much better, thanks! — pmcm 23:07, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Could whomever changes the top story, also remember to change or remove the image as well? I've seen non-matching images several times recently ( 900 year old European constitution?, Mugabe presedent of Hungary?) and I never know if the image actually corresponds to the top story unless I either look at the alt-text or click on it.
Darrien 08:43, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)
No mention about what's happening in Bolivia? Google News puts Bolivia on top, with 1024 articles off the main article...here it's not even mentioned. Ruy Lopez 03:04, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Is there a policy regarding protecting images that are from Commons, as the current picture of the Bolivian president is? I can't seem to find any discussion on the ITN pages. - Banyan Tree 15:47, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Simply out of curiosity - wasn't the result posted here at wikipedia even before it was out!! Is it not unfair that even though the last verdict was being read someone had already posted not guilty on the main page.
The TMS/MRBI poll on the EU constitution is newsworthy for a number of reasons:
So this is not a case of simply reporting any old poll, but a notoriously reliable poll that reveals that the European Constitution is in even more trouble than expected, with even the dead cert supposedly pro-yes Irish actually being a dead cert 'no'. With the French and Dutch voting 'no', the Danish about to vote 'no', and now the Irish in an MRBI poll polling 'no', the constitution is not merely in critical condition but stone dead. FearÉIREANN (talk) 19:12, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The wording is the responsibility of a notorious troll who has been vandalising everything I write of late. The individual concerned is currently the subject of an investigation by the Arbitration Committee. He has previously added in fiction and misinformation on other articles. I will correct that page to read what I had been trying to add in when I got caught up in an edit conflict with the individual. (Though going by his past behaviour he will no doubt doctor that too and appear here delivering more personal abuse. His behaviour is currently being monitored by senior wikipedians and action is likely against him.) FearÉIREANN (talk) 19:40, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It requires far too much context to try to put a case for the newsworthiness of this poll. Therefore it does not belong on the front page.
The current top item on ITN, the one about whaling, could use a full stop. Thanks. -- 65.95.104.93 16:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In the Supreme Court headline, it should be "primarily commerical" rather than "primary commercial". Ddye 17:16, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 17:52, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The later transcription seems to be more usual im English (by a factor of 100.) -- Wikimol 16:27, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Copied pasted from there:
-- Edcolins June 28, 2005 12:48 (UTC)
Nichalp has reverted the Sandra Day O'Connor item off ITN with the comment "Please keep this free of US-specific articles". This is blanket statement a bit disingenuous, as the lead item is now a Germany-specific article. There is certainly a tendency to put the front page item on US newspapers on ITN that should be resisted, but O'Connor's retirement is a huge event, unlike, for example, the oh-so-international Eurovision. The recent battle over judges in Washington, DC was a dry run for the expected Supreme Court vacancy. The executive and legislative branches of the most powerful country in the world will be at political war for months to determine the nature of the judicial branch. If we want no country-specific items, fine. We can leave the one "multinational" item on ITN and take off the rest. But don't try a "no US-specific articles" line. - Banyan Tree 1 July 2005 15:20 (UTC)
If one is trying to implement a strict interpretation of point three, why wouldn't you remove both the Walton death and German election items, which are not multinational? I would say most of the articles on ITN are "country specific" and not international in scope, but they are international in interest, if you get the distinction. The state of the current US Supreme Court, which has made a number of recent decisions of international interest but not scope, such as the Bush v Gore decision and treatment of "enemy combatants", certainly seems to fall within this range. As for importance, the article states that she is considered one of the top ten most powerful women in the world. The woman is of international interest, the institution she is retiring from is of international interest, the effect of the retirement is of international interest, and I am sincerely confused by the argument that her retirement from the institution is not of international interest. It's going back up, though I'll take Hajor's suggestion to put it under Schröder in the interests of peacemaking. - Banyan Tree 1 July 2005 16:00 (UTC)
I thought this was interesting, and perhaps an indicator of how we're doing. The world news page on El Universal (one of the better Mexican dailies, and probably the one with the most decent dynamic news coverage) currently has five lead stories: four of those are gay marriages in Spain, dissolution of parliament in Germany, resignation of Sandra Day O'Connor, and accusations about Iranian president-elect back in '79. (The one story we haven't covered, and El Universal's main lead, is the ongoing Pinochet investigations in Chile.) WP:ITN is clearly reflecting an excessively Mexican-centric view of world news. –Hajor 1 July 2005 17:13 (UTC)
Its clearly country-specific. If I were to put the following: "The Indian Supreme Court allows Indian citizens to fly the flag on all days of the year. This is of immense interest in India, but hardly of any around the world. =Nichalp «Talk»= July 2, 2005 14:51 (UTC)
Can an administrator please correct the punctuation - it is men's, not mens. -- RobertG ♬ talk 3 July 2005 20:30 (UTC)
since the photo has been replaced with that of the Olympic Games 2012, wouldn't it make sense to remove the "(pictured)" part of that section? -- Natalinasmpf 6 July 2005 12:32 (UTC)
Rather unfortunate and all, about having the Underground incident after the contrasting jovial statement of London hosting the games, but having an Olympics "London 2012" image at the same time while there's the incident in the London Underground is rather inappropriate IMO. I mean, the second news link about London clinching the role for 2012 is one thing, but subconsciously, a "London 2012" image will be appropriated to the first link, especially since it's the only image there. -- Natalinasmpf 7 July 2005 10:50 (UTC)
Oh, bold the "2012 Summer Olympics" link - they are two different news items, just grouped under the same category. -- Natalinasmpf 7 July 2005 10:52 (UTC)
Isn't Dennis this season's fourth hurricane?-- User:Jenmoa 9 July 2005 03:09 (UTC)
The current pic on ITN, Image:SouthernSudanMap.png, needs Mprotection. -- 199.71.174.100 23:55, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
The current pic on ITN, Image:Map of Scotland within the United Kingdom.png, needs Mprotection. Thanks. -- 64.229.220.38 14:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
We should put Image:Flag of Kyrgyzstan.png on Mprotection before we put it up for the election there. Thanks.-- Pharos 04:34, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
The "... US$ 50 billion..." in the first headline looks quite goofy. I suggest "50 billion USD" instead, and I've already changed on the draft. -- Tedpennings 12:55, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
If he won the election, is he really the acting president? — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 03:11, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Why on earth was the image for this changed from the cover of the book to a picture of the outside of a bookstore? The cover looked much neater than this other picture does. =| -- User:Jenmoa 07:36, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
"The English language edition of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince is released around the world with a delayed launch at midnight in every time zone." Not every time zone. Not the few billion in South Africa, Philippines, China, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Jordan, India and Brazil, according to the Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince article. Simple error that might be avoided in the future by checking the very article the story links to. Nothing serious. We muggles make mistakes after all. ;) i c u r i t e
The entry on the London bombings contradict with the information in the article. See the section "Possible suicide bombings" in the article. -- Knut Arne Vedaa 18:43, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
The headline reads: A second series of terrorist attacks hits London. This seems inaccurate to me, they were atempted terrorist attacks, but they failed the bombs didn't go off just the detornators (at least thats what seems to have happened), no body died. The 21 July 2005 London explosions artcle refers to "a series of four small explosions" rather then terrorist attacks. I prepose the headline be A Second terrorist attack on London fails or something like that.-- JK the unwise 09:03, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
"[Y]esterday's attempted bombing attempts" doesn't sound right. Simply "yesterday's bombing attempts" would be sufficient, I believe. - Prizm 17:07, 7-22-05 (CDT)
The link is to the correct page, but the text should read DC Circuit Court of Appeals, if not the full name, because the DC Court of Appeals is a different court. Ddye 20:51, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
link to China should be changed to People's Republic of China! --Apples and Oranges
At least 75 people are killed in a series of bomb explosions in the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh. The new figure is 83, not 75 anymore. Someone change that... -- Dungo (talk) 11:59, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Can someone with sysop powers change "indentify" to "identify", please ? A link to the Metropolitan Police Service page would be nice, too. Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 00:25, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
User:Talrias understandably has interest in NZ politics, mere announcements regarding elections dont make front page news. - SV| t 21:11, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
[i've copied this here from the subpage i'd orginally put it, i'm not sure which place is better]
the first spaceflight since the Columbia disaster in 2003
I've found a whole bunch of other spaceflights since Columbia:
It's frustrating that false information has been put in the News section and the page is protected. Ben Arnold 16:51, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
This reads funny. Does the shuttle lift off or the mission ? Do people really call it the JFK Space Center. Their website calls it 'Kennedy Space Center'. I suggest changing the blurb on the Main Page to:
or
Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 23:28, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I highly object to the word slain on this page with regard to the shooting of Jean de Menezes. Is there really any need for it? Jooler 07:54, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
"Four men have been arrested after the police mistakenly shot Jean de Menezes" The arrested bombing suspects have nothing to do with Jean de Menezes. Can we split this into two sentences/stories, please? -- 161.73.58.135 14:22, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Mumbai floods toll at 430 BBC
Nothing on the discovery of ice on the surface of Mars? [6] Grutness... wha?
It's probably worth throwing in 2005 FY9 alongside the other two currently listed as being found yesterday, as it's brighter than 2003 EL61. - The Tom 20:29, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
It is widely reported that he was 84 years old, not 82. - Calmypal (T) 13:00, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
Rafael Palmeiro has just become by far the highest-profile player in Major League Baseball to be suspended for violating MLB's new steroid policy. It's especially notable for two reasons:
Newslink: (AP/Yahoo!)
I'm an admin, but I didn't want to put it on the template without comments.— Dale Arnett 18:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Update: I had a brainfart! I should have noticed the "Candidate" link! I'll put this story up there, if it isn't already.— Dale Arnett 18:36, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is no longer pictured on the right as the template indicates. The flag is.-- Will2k 13:41, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
Almost all the content in AS-28 is present in Priz class. The AS-28 article should probably be merged into Priz class to prevent duplication and the articles getting out of sync. There are less than 5 of these small (3-6 man) vessels so even if they all were involved in notable events they could be covered in the Priz class article. Doing the required redirect and merge would result in two links to the same article on the main page.
Template needs updating now vessel resurfaced and all crew alive. Suggest: A Priz class mini-submarine of the Russian Navy, the AS-28, which had been disabled and sunk in an accident near Kamchatka has resurfaced following assistance from the British Royal Navy, the seven-man crew are all alive.
There is a spelling error - should be "international". =Travisyoung= 04:15, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
An Israeli terrorist in Israeli army uniform, wearing the Jewish skull-cap shot 4 Arab-Israeli citizens to death. Of the four victims two were sisters (muslim) and two were Christian Arabs. Thousands of mourners attended the funerals. Can someone please include this in the "In The News" section since it seems only people with special privileges can update that page. Thanks. -- here is one of numerous links in the news.
If you just want to write news articles, go to Wikinews. Dan100 ( Talk) 10:10, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
The ITN section is getting a little long, maybe we could drop Michaëlle Jean? Ddye 23:03, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
... that's quite a few deaths on the front page! Pretty lethal template we have here... - Ta bu shi da yu 07:26, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Can we get consensus on this? Otherwise, it's going to be an edit war everytime somebody puts up the death of a figure who was a "former" something. I would like to suggest a seventh line to the guidelines, along the lines of:
This an attempt to make the general case that if somebody hasn't bothered to write something like Death and state funeral of Ronald Reagan or Funeral of Pope John Paul II, or if the best description that can be given is "S/he once did great things", then it shouldn't go on ITN. Without detracting from their achievements, there are any number of people who die every day who have done notable things. The "multiple articles" bit comes from an observation of mine that non-notable deaths of notable people tend to be summed up in a blurb at the bottom of the article, while the notable deaths result in modifications to articles on political processes and structures, other political figures whose relative power has shifted, etc. Thoughts? - Banyan Tree 15:37, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
Jack Abramoff, a key figure in the ethics investigations into...
Is he an investigator or a suspect in the investigations? It isn't clear. -- Dtcdthingy 22:51, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
These charges are not directly relalted to DeLay. I really don't think this story has the international significance to be on here. Ddye 03:46, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
And shouldn't there be mention that all this relates to the States? Whenever an article comes up about any other country, the country is mentioned, but here there is no mention of the United States at all.-- Madison Gray 20:32, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Why is Abramoff even major news? This reeks of POV. 24.1.97.187 00:31, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
What's with the Lufthansa plane? -- Merovingian (t) (c) 20:00, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
The Lufthansa plane is a 737-300, just like the downed Helios plane, so it's illustrative. I don't think we should be using fair use images on the main page.-- Pharos 20:20, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
The following section on the disengagement is no longer accurate:
Israel began the disengagement on the 15th, this is already the beginning of Day 4 of the disengagement see the headline at [www.haaretz.com]
A better sentence might be "The Israeli military continues forcibly evacuating Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip as part of the disengagement plan.
GabrielF 00:52, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Just wanna point out that "(right)" next to Sergei K. Krikalev no longer applies, and needs to be removed. And also, the wrong image file was Mprotected. Image:Flag of Western Sahara.png is on ITN right now, not the protected Image:800px-Flag of Western Sahara.png. Please fix. Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 07:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
It might be best to alter this to "broke the record for the most days spent in space", as: a) if this stays up longer, the number will be wrong, since he's broken his previous record by another day; and b) per Jim Oberg here, it seems that technically he doesn't "set" a new record (as opposed to simply beating the old one) until the old one's exceeded by 10% (which seems a bit picky to me, but there you go). Shimgray 18:58, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
The Armstrong story doesn't belong here, he has been accused of doping many times before. This story isn't ITN material at all until something more concrete is discovered. Ddye 15:58, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
L'Equipe is a 'sports newspaper, not a cycling paper. They cover all sorts of sports, including cycling. Please change this. -- Zantastik talk 16:04, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
I've added interwiki links to all 10K Wikipedias with an analogue to ITN. The interwiki is only visible when looking directly at the template, thanks to the new <noinclude> tag (see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Interlanguage links in templates).-- Pharos 18:08, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Seems like there's an ITN edit war over " U.S. televangelist Pat Robertson calls for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez." I strongly feel that this doesn't belong on ITN. Pat Robertson is a TV show host. Sure, he's run for president a few times but that doesn't make him a politician. Basically he's a celebrity, and celebs say stupid things all the time. It's not newsworthy, so I removed it again. Know what though? If someone replaces the Pat Robertson thing, I'll leave it there - but I'll wait for the next stupid thing Bill Maher or Al Franken says, and I expect that I'll be allowed to post it on ITN. Rhobite 00:58, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Being the top cable story doesn't matter. Have we had Cindy Sheehan or Natalie Holloway on there? -- Golbez 01:52, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
I'd revert now if I didn't try follow 1RR. This link is Broken 02:20, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
The tropical storm item has been removed, making this story the top one, yet the image is still of Florida, which has AFAIK no relation to Pat Robertson's story. – Minh Nguyễn ( talk, contribs, blog) 21:04, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Could we please stop acting like children? If someone has added an item, respect his/her judgment and wait until it falls off the bottom of the page rather than removing it. (FWIW I think both the Chavez and Tibet stories are reasonable additions, but it's not worth edit-warring about). Mark 1 03:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Katrina now has its own article Hurricane Katrina (2005). If it really threatens to be something much worse, it may get the main article. CrazyC83 16:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
I don't think the resignation of John Brogden as New South Wales Opposition Leader is note-worthy enough for the Main Page. Bob Carr resigned last month and wasn't mentioned here, and he was Premier! Sure, it's a controversy, but one that is confined to New South Wales, or at best, Australia. It's not of international significance.-- Cyberjunkie | Talk 08:31, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree the
Pat Robertson story should stay, it definitely passes the muster. Let's
avoid terms like crap though shall we?
And yes, the Atiku Abubakar thing should be listed here too, though I'd be more comfortable with it if the article were cleaned up a little first. -- fvw * 03:47, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
Noone thinks Brogden should be on the main page, Ta bu shi da yu is using this template to violate WP:POINT.-- nixie 03:49, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Whatever... please keep details in the article. Only headlines on ITN, please. Please see the Candidates page for a suggested shortened version. -- 199.71.174.100 04:13, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
You know what annoys me? People getting agitated over relatively minor incidents. Ta bu shi da yu, it was discussed prior - I raised it here, and Violetriga concurred in his edit summary and so later did nixie. (And please, try and be more polite - keep the wikilove). As to the notability of the story, I dispute it. Yes, it was carried by all major news organisations, as one expect it to be. But no organisation (at least, none of those I checked) outside Australia featured it prominently. Rather, it was relegated to "World", and sometimes even a sub-division thereof. The Pat Robertson story, by contrast, was internationally significant - a prominent person (a religious one no less, with "followers" world-wide) advocating the assassination of a world leader. How is that not notable? However, I concede there does tend to be US-centrism in the stories selected, and far many more internationally significant events have occurred since the Robertson saga. It's just, Brogden wasn't one. I still think it should be replaced.-- Cyberjunkie | Talk 05:27, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Just think about it logically and rationally. Brogden's comments and suicide attempt are nothing compared with the other events of global magnitude. I'd say get rid of it from ITN... Enochlau 14:18, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
The current map is pretty useless as it is. Nobody can make out any detail. It just looks like some mixture of blue, orange, and black lines. Can we get the picture enlarged, replaced with another one, or done away with entirely.-- Will2k 19:55, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
The correct wiki link is: Baghdad bridge stampede. -- ThomasK 07:29, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
1,000 people die in a bridge collapse yesterday, and all the news talks about is this damn hurricane, as if it was unexpected. Who knew there'd be hurricanes in hurricane season??? Why is this more newsworthy than the 1000 dead (and countless injured) in the bridge collapse? Are you telling me "efforts" are not still underway to help the the injured in Baghdad? — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-09-1 21:19
In fact golbs, there is an article on the bridge collapse. I was under the impression, however, that the "biggest" event went first, and while 1,000 dead is certainly tragic, there could easily be that many dead in New Orleans plus all the bad stuff mentioned above.
And don't think of this as something that was "expected". Sure we get hurricanes every year, but this event has most likely dwarfed every major natural disaster in the history of the United States. Don't treat it lightly. -- tomf688< TALK> 21:28, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
As expected, the number of dead was inflated by a few orders of magnitude in order to bring in the $$$ and ratings. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-09-15 22:19
It doesn't matter now, since the death of Rehnquist has trumped both stories. Or does this just add to the American bias? Bratsche talk | Esperanza 03:53, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
I have to agree with you there, Cyber. Damn Constitution. ;) -- tomf688< TALK> 15:04, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
I think the Mandala airlines flight disaster in Indonesia should be displayed above the Rehnquist replacement. It is an ongoing event with over 150 dead, and seems of higher notability than Roberts' nomination. -- Cyberjunkie | Talk 03:48, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Hurricane Katrina is now the bottom-listed article on ITN (of, unusually, a six-item listing) and thus on the brink of removal. But I wonder whether anyone is going to be brave enough to follow SOP and bump it off when the time comes and, in any case, whether that would be the right move. Perhaps we should (exceptionally, and at the risk of setting a precedent) bump off the second-lowest story -- currently, Typhoon Talim? –Hajor 17:13, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Yulia Tymoshenko is a woman, so it was her cabinet, not his! – Kpalion (talk) 09:07, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
I just noticed that too. Can we please have this corrected. 194.66.226.95 10:31, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
The link in to "mismanagement" (in Hurricane Katrina) leads to "Bush administration". Is this entirely NPOV? Thincat 10:57, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Can we change "Japan general election: Junichiro Koizumi's Liberal Democratic Party wins 296 of 480 seats in the House of Representatives." to "Japan general election: Junichiro Koizumi's ruling bloc wins a landslide victory in the lower house of the Diet of Japan"? A word landslide is, I think, gives a more accurate clear picture. -- Taku 00:23, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
It's only 87 seats, not 88. http://odin.dep.no/krd/html/valgresultat2005/frameset.html AP:61 + SV:15 + SP:11 = 87 demo 07:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I wonder if we might want to encourage a style where the primary, bolded article is generally placed at the start of an entry. I think this approach might make ITN a bit easier to scan at a glance. Here's a comparison of the different approaches:
Of course, this shouldn't be a foolish rule when it could create an awkward wording, but simply a style guidline. What's the general thought on this?-- Pharos 23:07, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I think it looks pretty ugly. Its only 4 lines of text - and the most relevant link is bolded, its not hard to miss.-- nixie 23:11, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Can I suggest that we remove the UK petrol panic item, since filling stations are back to normal and the rolling roadblocks are not even a major story in the UK any more, let alone internationally? If no one objects, I'll remove it myself. -- Heron 18:44, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
why are the german liberals (more votes than the greens or the left party) not mentioned? NOTE german liberal = NOT american liberal. Aleichem 23:05, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
The item should be updated. Preliminary official results are a lot more than "early ballot counts". In fact, this result is as final as it will get for the next two weeks. -- Qualle ( talk) 16:01, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if I'll revert this just yet, but the death of Simon Wiesenthal does not meet our obituary criteria. Certainly his life's mission was very notable, but his death in itself is not a major event.-- Pharos 17:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Please see above Template talk:In the news#Obituaries section. -- PFHLai 16:51, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
How do I remove the Iraq War link on the front page? The story about the two british soldiers has been removed from that article. It doesn't fit there, since it is far too soon to assume it is an important encyclopedic event in the war. Is there some current events page that should be linked to instead?-- Silverback 10:32, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
DeLay's name is incorrectly capitalized at the present moment. NatusRoma 18:09, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
"New Zealand general election: Helen Clark of the Labour Party returns for a third term as Prime Minister."
The new Government still hasn't been formed, so she hasn't officially returned for a third term as Prime Minister yet. The statement above is for news that has is probable, if not certain, but which has not yet occured.
According to Current events "she is set to form a third-term government after the National's lose a seat" and according to Current events in Australia and New Zealand she "must now confirm minor party support to form the new government". i c u r i t e 01:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Could the image of the gorilla (as fascinating as it is) be replaced by either Image:2005 Bali bombings SCTV screenshot.jpg or Image:Bali blast 2005.jpg, or even Image:Indonesia flag large.png? There's a pretty decent article on the incident going now, and it should feature as our leading event, picture and all.-- Cyberjunkie | Talk 04:38, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Can we get some info up now? — Sverdrup 18:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and Mohamed ElBaradei are awarded the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize. — Cantus… ☎ 09:11, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
2005 South Asia earthquake was moved to 2005 Kashmir earthquake, so please change the template to reflect the move and remove the redirect. Tito xd( ?!?) 07:19, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Angela Merkel will not lead a "jamaika coalition" (part of that coalition are the "black" party CDU, the green party and the liberal "yellow" party FDP; the article is in the point of the coalitions parts correct). The coalition of CDU and SPD called "great coalition", because CDU/CSU and SPD are the traditionel strongest parties in Germany.
The statement is unclear in that it seems to indicate that four days have already passed, when it is possible that they will not be in orbit for four days.
Shenzhou 6 has landed and the astronauts are reported in good health. - Ahseaton 22:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is the news content backwards, with the most recent on the bottom? I need a sysop to please fix this, or tell me this is a false alarm (I'm pretty darn sure it's not though). We should also discuss how to prevent this from happening again. HereToHelp 22:11, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm sure this has been dealt with, but I was wondering if someone could explain why there are no references to news sources (e.g. BBC, CNN, whatever) in the ITN section. One has to go to the "More current events..." section for these details. Is it not appropriate to reference them in the ITN template also, or at least indicate that further information (not just "More") can be found on the "More current events..." page? Cheers, Ben Cairns 12:32, 19 October 2005 (UTC).
Hey guys, can we find some other way to describe this page than ITN? ITN here may mean In The News but elsewhere, particularly in the media, it is the name of an internationally known broadcasting organisation Independent Television News that broadcasts ITV News and Channel 4 News in the UK (Five, I think also) and is used all around the world. I know some people in the broadcasting world are slightly miffed (understatement) that we are using a registered broadcaster's acronym.
Some people here thought that when they see ITN here it means that we are using their wire service. Others in the real ITN have had people blame them for errors we've had (or not so much errors as badly worded information). Right now it is just a few people I've come across who are miffed, but if we get something seriously wrong and it shows up in google searches with the acronym ITN it could be made an issue of. When a page has CNN, BBC, ABC, RTÉ etc on it, it is rather inadvisable to use ITN on the same page. In that context who can blame people for thinking it is Independent Television News and not merely our own inhouse acronym for our own page. FearÉIREANN \ (caint) 00:49, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
The template needs to be updated. the top story right now is Wilma's effect on Mexico and the impending impact on Florida. Another thing that needs to be included is UN report on Syria and US's opinion on it. Even the Saddam trial item needs to be updated to mention the security aspects, the abduction and killing of Saddam's lawyer. Another story that could be mentioned is the burning of bodies of Taliban fighters by US troops and its impact. -- Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 10:33, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
Are stories only allowed if they're about people dying? Is that why we can't mention the record-breaking hurricane season? —
BRIAN
0918 • 2005-10-24 04:18
The blurb about Hurricane Wilma needs to be changed from "approach" to "made landfall"-- GraemeMcRae talk 15:39, 24 October 2005 (UTC)