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I'm slightly curious how the current consensus surrounding the colouring for fourth place results isn't applied and is even put in place to begin with. Colour grading the background for team results makes it easier to read. It doesn't even matter about traditional gold, silver and bronze. Looking at tennis players individual performance timelines for example separate colour grading is applied for results from QF's onwards. Why isn't this the case with football?.
If there is a consensus regarding fourth place results not being colour graded then why isn't it being applied. I've being trying to edit the South Korea at the world cup article but @ Snowflake91 keeps reverting. Why doesn't this change apply to any other article? The majority of articles I've come across use colour grading for fourth place teams, why are you only reverting this on one specific article? Xc4TNS ( talk) 10:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
No colour should be used to represent fourth place unless being used in such a competition where a team/players receive a fourth place award. In this case, specific blue colour should be used.I don't think they hand out fourth place awards at the World Cup? Should these all be removed? SportingFlyer T· C 11:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Snowflake91 What is the point of there being a rule when the rule isn't being applied? I've tried to revert certain articles but they keep getting changed back. Literally the only article where that rule seems to be applied is the South Korean one. It’s been like this for ages that fourth place backgrounds have been coloured in. We could have this discussion but shouldn't the consensus on wikipedia surround what is applied rather than an arbitrary consensus on a talk page that doesn't seem to be enforced?.
Adding a coloured background technically isn't wrong information. As long as it's labelled I don't see why it matters. As I've mentioned before and what you seemingly ignored is my point about adding a coloured background for quarter final performances too.
/info/en/?search=Tennis_performance_timeline_comparison_(men)
This also applies to players' performance timelines on their personal biographies. I don’t know why the Olympic gold, bronze, silver colours should apply to football. But anyway it doesn’t really matter, it’s just a case of making stuff easier to read.-- Xc4TNS ( talk) 22:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
For players who use a short version of a name, does it need to be in brackets as the nickname. Ortizesp and I disagree on this on the page Tani Oluwaseyi. Ortizesp believes the "Tani" is needed as it's not a common English nickname, whereas I was of the view that even though Tani is not a regular nickname, it is a short-version of 'Tani'toluwa and easily inferred so writing Tanitoluwa "Tani" is not needed. Just curious about the process, if the short name is easily inferred, do we still need brackets if it's not a common name? Ayo Akinola does not have Ayomide "Ayo", so just trying to find the correct format. (PS. Ortizesp, I'm not trying to invoke any ill-will, just improve my editing for future so I do it correctly. I greatly respect all your work) RedPatch ( talk) 15:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Ayomide "Ayo" Akinolaor
Ayomide Akinola, better known as Ayo, then they can be referred by the shortened name throughout the rest of the article. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 16:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
they can be referred by the shortened name throughout the rest of the article. Irrelevant anyway, since we use surname and not given name to refer to people throughout the rest of the article. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 08:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
a name like Tanitoluwa, that I don't expect any English speaker that's not Yoruba to be able to shorten reliably without purely guessing, but we're not asking readers to guess what the common short form of Tanitoluwa is. The article title literally has Tani in massive letters and Tani is literally the first four letters of Tanituwola so I would think that most people with a reasonable level of intelligence can deduce from those two facts that he's known as Tani because it's short for Tanituwola...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 09:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Ask a random English speaker what the nickname for Tanitoluwa is and they won't know the answer, they'll just guessyou are working backwards somewhat. We are not at any point asking readers to guess what the nickname for Tanitoluwa is. The article title, which is going to be the first thing they see when they land on the article, already shows them that the player is commonly known as Tani (plus if they are on his article then they have almost certainly either followed a link showing him as Tani or actively searched for him under that name). Having already seen the article title showing his name as Tani, they are subsequently presented with his full name of Tanitoluwa, at which point anyone with more than two brain cells is going to be able to tell that Tani is short for that -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 14:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
I discovered numerous Coupe de France season articles. According to the articles, over 5000 teams are involved in the qualifying competition, with 153 of those progressing to round 7 in the 2023-24 season. I would like to ask whether the community here believes the articles merit individual pages. Perhaps the 'preliminary rounds' pages as they currently are, such as this one go into sufficient detail. Although these pages look like they may have previously been WP:SPLIT, notability must be established for such pages to be kept. Listing some such pages here - this is not an exhaustive list.
Thanks, C 679 05:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I want to make people aware about discussions about the inclusion of Catalonia in certain football articles in the lead sections. The pages User talk:Panenkazo and Talk:Salvador Dalí are the places of discussions going on earlier today. What's more concerning is the scale of damage done by edit warring and how many football players from the region are affected over the past two days. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 21:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Example: Sergi Roberto is a SPANISH footballer. He was born (as well put/written in his early career) in Reus, Tarragona, Catalonia. He is not from Catalonia, he is from Spain. People may identify themselves as Catalan/Basque/Flemish if they wish to do so, all the right in the world, but unless/until those regions are countries in their own right, we must not overelaborate.
Attentively -- RevampedEditor ( talk) 18:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Just a sidenote: now (at least in Sergi Roberto, the only footballer in this regard i currently edit) we have another editor supporting Panenkazo (who have just said in their page that anyone reinstating the version without "Catalan" is vandalising)'s point of view. Like i said, even though i strongly oppose this, i will not edit(war) and that's a promise! -- RevampedEditor ( talk) 14:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Nothing to do with the anonymous user(s) reverting, the minute you reverted me at S. Roberto i stopped editing there and waited for the result of this discussion. This is the FIRST and LAST time you accuse of vandalising OK, been here for 18 years and never did it once. Of course, if you still doubt my reply, you can report me and see where it goes. -- RevampedEditor ( talk) 14:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Anonymous user(s) has/have already been blocked (see here /info/en/?search=User_talk:2804:14C:7F80:8296:7559:1C3E:3725:B6EA), and he/they are from Brazil. I am from Portugal, hopefully that's the end of the unfounded accusations. Thanks. -- RevampedEditor ( talk) 15:00, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Is there some kind of consensus for these types of edits outside of WP:FOOTY? Because my understanding of this situation was that we did not include sub-national origins or ethnicity in the lead. I know that the UK and its constituent countries are an exception for football for obvious reasons, but why would Catalonia be an exception? Jay eyem ( talk) 17:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Wow. That comment about Bavaria and Brittany not having their own languages, culture and history was really something. Breton isn't even from the same family as French, which makes it even more unique than Catalan. I'm judging from this user's history that it's a WP:SPA to boost Catalonia, but usually people like that have solidarity with other cultures in Europe. Basically, no regional identities exist except Catalans. No other countries existed in the past except Catalonia and no independence movement exists except the Catalan. We wouldn't allow a user who thinks white people are unique, so I don't know why we tolerate someone who thinks the same about Catalans. See below as well when he says Lamine Yamal doesn't have a Spanish name because his father's surname is from Morocco (where 20% of the Spanish language comes from). Although he's doing this to minimise Spain (Mr Magoo would see that from the edit history) it's ironically also the view of Vox sympathisers. If you look on the WP: Catalonia thread, an IP writes (in Spanish) that Lamine is not Spanish because a passport doesn't change your genetics. That's excellent company to be keeping. Unknown Temptation ( talk) 05:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
WP:MOSETHNICITY applies here. Players should be described as Spanish/French/German etc. not Catalan/Brittany/Bavarian. Scotland/Wales are different as they have a FIFA recognised national team. Giant Snowman 08:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
People will always want to identify with something, but regarding footballer articles, apart from mentioning the town or city they were born in along with the Catalonia region of Spain, they are all Spanish footballers. And that's what we need to stick too. Govvy ( talk) 10:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
But this ONLY for Catalan sportspeople? No such approach for Galicians, Basques, Andalusians? Okeydokey... Seeing that 99% of this thread's opinions are AGAINST this approach, why must we accommodate? -- RevampedEditor ( talk) 14:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
There's a discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Is football player contract expires means still registered in a football club? that could affect many articles within this project (OP had been removing club affiliations on the grounds that contracts had expired) and could benefit from the participation of informed editors. NebY ( talk) 16:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
It is right now a discussion on the Lamine Yamal talk page with the topic: Spanish name template.
@ Unknown Temptation: defends that the template of this player at the top page referring to his first and last name corresponds to reality. I think it can get confusing. I am attaching the two arguments below.
Unknown Temptation argument: The template is there to say that his name is formatted the Spanish way with two surnames, not that his surname is from Spain. Equally, it would not be the Catalan name template unless there is evidence he formats it the Catalan way with "i" in the middle. This template is helpful because a lot of people think his surname is Yamal. I see no reason to remove it unless people believe he can't be Spanish because his parents are African, which is just a little problematic. This template doesn't mean his name is from Spain. I see nobody rushing to remove it from Marco Asensio because his second surname is Willemsen, nor from Latin American people with Italian or other surnames. Similarly, we cannot gatekeep what is a Spanish surname (even García is Basque, and so many are Hebrew or Arabic)
My argument: I understand your reasoning. But we will agree that for a reader it can be confusing. The phrase literally says: "In this Spanish name" (and it's not a Spanish name at all). There should be a template that says something similar to: This name have a Spanish naming customs.
Is there any consensus on this? Other footballers may be in the same situation. Panenkazo ( talk) 17:00, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
2006–07 Bristol Rovers F.C. season has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 ( talk) 04:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
For anyone in an article-creating mood, the 2024 Summer Olympics starts in two weeks and there's a decent number of qualified football players missing articles, many of whom I suspect are likely notable. In the men's tournament, there are 50 missing player articles, including two team captains, as well as one head coach without an article (also two clubs which have representation without articles). In the women's tournament, there are 7 missing player articles and 2 head coaches. Any with interesting facts can be featured at DYK during the Olympics; see Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Special_occasion_idea:_Olympics for more information. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 20:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
I don't suppose anywhere has player appearance data for players in the Lowland League in Scotland? Echetus Xe 10:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Aral FC, a football club in Uzbekistan, would benefit from some non-broken references from reliable sources. LeapTorchGear ( talk) 11:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi, if anyone can't get enough of politics after our recent Catalan discussion, I tagged this image as of disputed neutrality and commented on a talk page discussion. Seeing that the article was on the front page, I went back on it and the image is still tagged for neutrality - and nobody at all has commented on the talk page.
In short, this image presents the Falkland Islands and South Georgia as part of Argentina, albeit in hash-stripes if you make the image really big. While the hashing indicates a disputed zone, it's still only showing one nation's point of view of the world, as the map doesn't show any other disputed zones such as Venezuela's claim to Guayana Essequiba. The uninhabited rainforests of Essequiba, just like the research stations of South Georgia, have nothing to do with football.
My personal view is that the Falklands and South Georgia can just be struck from the map. No Argentine footballers are from there, or have probably even been there. The map could also be simplified by striking off the Galapagos Islands, in case the average reader doesn't know that they're part of Ecuador. Someone on talk asked where Hawaii was on the map, which made me realise there's a balance between an accurate and a practical map diagram. Unknown Temptation ( talk) 12:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
There's been a lot of editing back and forth regarding whether France received third place honours for being losing semi-finalists at this year's Euros. My assumption was that we wouldn't include them due to there being no third-place play-offs at the Euros. However, I noticed that 3rd place seems to be included for the majority of losing semi-finalists post-1980. Has there been some discussion on this page before/is there a rule I'm not aware of? A talk page discussion has been started there Michaeldble ( talk) 13:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Anyone want to help here, an SPA wants to ignore WP:LANGVAR despite my explanation of Wiki Conventions. RedPatch ( talk) 02:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm a bit worried about this undiscussed edit: [11]. As a results, lots of football squads tables at the major tournaments (and elsewhere) no longer take the whole width of the page, as it was customary until now. Thoughts? Should it be kept? Reverted? -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Not utterly irrelevant to your point but not entire related; I've only just realised, due to @ BlameRuiner:'s point, that this Template:National football squad start (goals) is why the date of birth column was messed up for the last year - I thought it was just Wikipedia's new appearance change. If we're looking to change the one above then could we get a ruling on this as well? Felixsv7 ( talk) 14:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
There is a new editor who seems convinced that Uruguay are four time world champions because they won gold at the Olympics in the 1920s as well as the World Cup in 1930 and 1950. For example on the Germany national football team article, they added: "Germany is one of the most successful national teams in international competitions, having won four FIFA World Cups ( 1954, 1974, 1990, 2014), tied with Uruguay [1], Italy, and only one less than the most successful team, Brazil." All of their edits are related to combining the two tournaments.
Although I do not have a great deal of knowledge on this period of football, this seems very misleading. I have also asked the editor to start a talk page discussion rather than to continually reinstate their changes. Does anyone have any perspective of this?
I've placed it here as this has been done across several pages: Uruguay: [12], Germany: [13], Argentina: [14], 1930 FIFA World Cup: [15]
Pinging @ User:Kante4 as they were involved too. Kind regards Michaeldble ( talk) 20:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC) Michaeldble ( talk) 20:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
( edit conflict) The whole story sounds a little murky. I could see explanations going either way and it seems to depend on who we're sourcing as well. Anyways, when mentioned it should probably be slightly elaborated on and linked to an appropriate article. -- SuperJew ( talk) 23:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
It is of note that the logo of the 1930 World Cup, organized by Uruguay, reads: "1er Campeonato Mundial de Football" (emphasis added). -- Theurgist ( talk) 03:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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I'm slightly curious how the current consensus surrounding the colouring for fourth place results isn't applied and is even put in place to begin with. Colour grading the background for team results makes it easier to read. It doesn't even matter about traditional gold, silver and bronze. Looking at tennis players individual performance timelines for example separate colour grading is applied for results from QF's onwards. Why isn't this the case with football?.
If there is a consensus regarding fourth place results not being colour graded then why isn't it being applied. I've being trying to edit the South Korea at the world cup article but @ Snowflake91 keeps reverting. Why doesn't this change apply to any other article? The majority of articles I've come across use colour grading for fourth place teams, why are you only reverting this on one specific article? Xc4TNS ( talk) 10:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
No colour should be used to represent fourth place unless being used in such a competition where a team/players receive a fourth place award. In this case, specific blue colour should be used.I don't think they hand out fourth place awards at the World Cup? Should these all be removed? SportingFlyer T· C 11:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Snowflake91 What is the point of there being a rule when the rule isn't being applied? I've tried to revert certain articles but they keep getting changed back. Literally the only article where that rule seems to be applied is the South Korean one. It’s been like this for ages that fourth place backgrounds have been coloured in. We could have this discussion but shouldn't the consensus on wikipedia surround what is applied rather than an arbitrary consensus on a talk page that doesn't seem to be enforced?.
Adding a coloured background technically isn't wrong information. As long as it's labelled I don't see why it matters. As I've mentioned before and what you seemingly ignored is my point about adding a coloured background for quarter final performances too.
/info/en/?search=Tennis_performance_timeline_comparison_(men)
This also applies to players' performance timelines on their personal biographies. I don’t know why the Olympic gold, bronze, silver colours should apply to football. But anyway it doesn’t really matter, it’s just a case of making stuff easier to read.-- Xc4TNS ( talk) 22:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
For players who use a short version of a name, does it need to be in brackets as the nickname. Ortizesp and I disagree on this on the page Tani Oluwaseyi. Ortizesp believes the "Tani" is needed as it's not a common English nickname, whereas I was of the view that even though Tani is not a regular nickname, it is a short-version of 'Tani'toluwa and easily inferred so writing Tanitoluwa "Tani" is not needed. Just curious about the process, if the short name is easily inferred, do we still need brackets if it's not a common name? Ayo Akinola does not have Ayomide "Ayo", so just trying to find the correct format. (PS. Ortizesp, I'm not trying to invoke any ill-will, just improve my editing for future so I do it correctly. I greatly respect all your work) RedPatch ( talk) 15:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Ayomide "Ayo" Akinolaor
Ayomide Akinola, better known as Ayo, then they can be referred by the shortened name throughout the rest of the article. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 16:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
they can be referred by the shortened name throughout the rest of the article. Irrelevant anyway, since we use surname and not given name to refer to people throughout the rest of the article. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 08:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
a name like Tanitoluwa, that I don't expect any English speaker that's not Yoruba to be able to shorten reliably without purely guessing, but we're not asking readers to guess what the common short form of Tanitoluwa is. The article title literally has Tani in massive letters and Tani is literally the first four letters of Tanituwola so I would think that most people with a reasonable level of intelligence can deduce from those two facts that he's known as Tani because it's short for Tanituwola...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 09:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Ask a random English speaker what the nickname for Tanitoluwa is and they won't know the answer, they'll just guessyou are working backwards somewhat. We are not at any point asking readers to guess what the nickname for Tanitoluwa is. The article title, which is going to be the first thing they see when they land on the article, already shows them that the player is commonly known as Tani (plus if they are on his article then they have almost certainly either followed a link showing him as Tani or actively searched for him under that name). Having already seen the article title showing his name as Tani, they are subsequently presented with his full name of Tanitoluwa, at which point anyone with more than two brain cells is going to be able to tell that Tani is short for that -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 14:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
I discovered numerous Coupe de France season articles. According to the articles, over 5000 teams are involved in the qualifying competition, with 153 of those progressing to round 7 in the 2023-24 season. I would like to ask whether the community here believes the articles merit individual pages. Perhaps the 'preliminary rounds' pages as they currently are, such as this one go into sufficient detail. Although these pages look like they may have previously been WP:SPLIT, notability must be established for such pages to be kept. Listing some such pages here - this is not an exhaustive list.
Thanks, C 679 05:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I want to make people aware about discussions about the inclusion of Catalonia in certain football articles in the lead sections. The pages User talk:Panenkazo and Talk:Salvador Dalí are the places of discussions going on earlier today. What's more concerning is the scale of damage done by edit warring and how many football players from the region are affected over the past two days. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 21:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Example: Sergi Roberto is a SPANISH footballer. He was born (as well put/written in his early career) in Reus, Tarragona, Catalonia. He is not from Catalonia, he is from Spain. People may identify themselves as Catalan/Basque/Flemish if they wish to do so, all the right in the world, but unless/until those regions are countries in their own right, we must not overelaborate.
Attentively -- RevampedEditor ( talk) 18:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Just a sidenote: now (at least in Sergi Roberto, the only footballer in this regard i currently edit) we have another editor supporting Panenkazo (who have just said in their page that anyone reinstating the version without "Catalan" is vandalising)'s point of view. Like i said, even though i strongly oppose this, i will not edit(war) and that's a promise! -- RevampedEditor ( talk) 14:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Nothing to do with the anonymous user(s) reverting, the minute you reverted me at S. Roberto i stopped editing there and waited for the result of this discussion. This is the FIRST and LAST time you accuse of vandalising OK, been here for 18 years and never did it once. Of course, if you still doubt my reply, you can report me and see where it goes. -- RevampedEditor ( talk) 14:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Anonymous user(s) has/have already been blocked (see here /info/en/?search=User_talk:2804:14C:7F80:8296:7559:1C3E:3725:B6EA), and he/they are from Brazil. I am from Portugal, hopefully that's the end of the unfounded accusations. Thanks. -- RevampedEditor ( talk) 15:00, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Is there some kind of consensus for these types of edits outside of WP:FOOTY? Because my understanding of this situation was that we did not include sub-national origins or ethnicity in the lead. I know that the UK and its constituent countries are an exception for football for obvious reasons, but why would Catalonia be an exception? Jay eyem ( talk) 17:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Wow. That comment about Bavaria and Brittany not having their own languages, culture and history was really something. Breton isn't even from the same family as French, which makes it even more unique than Catalan. I'm judging from this user's history that it's a WP:SPA to boost Catalonia, but usually people like that have solidarity with other cultures in Europe. Basically, no regional identities exist except Catalans. No other countries existed in the past except Catalonia and no independence movement exists except the Catalan. We wouldn't allow a user who thinks white people are unique, so I don't know why we tolerate someone who thinks the same about Catalans. See below as well when he says Lamine Yamal doesn't have a Spanish name because his father's surname is from Morocco (where 20% of the Spanish language comes from). Although he's doing this to minimise Spain (Mr Magoo would see that from the edit history) it's ironically also the view of Vox sympathisers. If you look on the WP: Catalonia thread, an IP writes (in Spanish) that Lamine is not Spanish because a passport doesn't change your genetics. That's excellent company to be keeping. Unknown Temptation ( talk) 05:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
WP:MOSETHNICITY applies here. Players should be described as Spanish/French/German etc. not Catalan/Brittany/Bavarian. Scotland/Wales are different as they have a FIFA recognised national team. Giant Snowman 08:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
People will always want to identify with something, but regarding footballer articles, apart from mentioning the town or city they were born in along with the Catalonia region of Spain, they are all Spanish footballers. And that's what we need to stick too. Govvy ( talk) 10:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
But this ONLY for Catalan sportspeople? No such approach for Galicians, Basques, Andalusians? Okeydokey... Seeing that 99% of this thread's opinions are AGAINST this approach, why must we accommodate? -- RevampedEditor ( talk) 14:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
There's a discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Is football player contract expires means still registered in a football club? that could affect many articles within this project (OP had been removing club affiliations on the grounds that contracts had expired) and could benefit from the participation of informed editors. NebY ( talk) 16:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
It is right now a discussion on the Lamine Yamal talk page with the topic: Spanish name template.
@ Unknown Temptation: defends that the template of this player at the top page referring to his first and last name corresponds to reality. I think it can get confusing. I am attaching the two arguments below.
Unknown Temptation argument: The template is there to say that his name is formatted the Spanish way with two surnames, not that his surname is from Spain. Equally, it would not be the Catalan name template unless there is evidence he formats it the Catalan way with "i" in the middle. This template is helpful because a lot of people think his surname is Yamal. I see no reason to remove it unless people believe he can't be Spanish because his parents are African, which is just a little problematic. This template doesn't mean his name is from Spain. I see nobody rushing to remove it from Marco Asensio because his second surname is Willemsen, nor from Latin American people with Italian or other surnames. Similarly, we cannot gatekeep what is a Spanish surname (even García is Basque, and so many are Hebrew or Arabic)
My argument: I understand your reasoning. But we will agree that for a reader it can be confusing. The phrase literally says: "In this Spanish name" (and it's not a Spanish name at all). There should be a template that says something similar to: This name have a Spanish naming customs.
Is there any consensus on this? Other footballers may be in the same situation. Panenkazo ( talk) 17:00, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
2006–07 Bristol Rovers F.C. season has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 ( talk) 04:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
For anyone in an article-creating mood, the 2024 Summer Olympics starts in two weeks and there's a decent number of qualified football players missing articles, many of whom I suspect are likely notable. In the men's tournament, there are 50 missing player articles, including two team captains, as well as one head coach without an article (also two clubs which have representation without articles). In the women's tournament, there are 7 missing player articles and 2 head coaches. Any with interesting facts can be featured at DYK during the Olympics; see Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Special_occasion_idea:_Olympics for more information. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 20:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
I don't suppose anywhere has player appearance data for players in the Lowland League in Scotland? Echetus Xe 10:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Aral FC, a football club in Uzbekistan, would benefit from some non-broken references from reliable sources. LeapTorchGear ( talk) 11:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi, if anyone can't get enough of politics after our recent Catalan discussion, I tagged this image as of disputed neutrality and commented on a talk page discussion. Seeing that the article was on the front page, I went back on it and the image is still tagged for neutrality - and nobody at all has commented on the talk page.
In short, this image presents the Falkland Islands and South Georgia as part of Argentina, albeit in hash-stripes if you make the image really big. While the hashing indicates a disputed zone, it's still only showing one nation's point of view of the world, as the map doesn't show any other disputed zones such as Venezuela's claim to Guayana Essequiba. The uninhabited rainforests of Essequiba, just like the research stations of South Georgia, have nothing to do with football.
My personal view is that the Falklands and South Georgia can just be struck from the map. No Argentine footballers are from there, or have probably even been there. The map could also be simplified by striking off the Galapagos Islands, in case the average reader doesn't know that they're part of Ecuador. Someone on talk asked where Hawaii was on the map, which made me realise there's a balance between an accurate and a practical map diagram. Unknown Temptation ( talk) 12:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
There's been a lot of editing back and forth regarding whether France received third place honours for being losing semi-finalists at this year's Euros. My assumption was that we wouldn't include them due to there being no third-place play-offs at the Euros. However, I noticed that 3rd place seems to be included for the majority of losing semi-finalists post-1980. Has there been some discussion on this page before/is there a rule I'm not aware of? A talk page discussion has been started there Michaeldble ( talk) 13:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Anyone want to help here, an SPA wants to ignore WP:LANGVAR despite my explanation of Wiki Conventions. RedPatch ( talk) 02:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm a bit worried about this undiscussed edit: [11]. As a results, lots of football squads tables at the major tournaments (and elsewhere) no longer take the whole width of the page, as it was customary until now. Thoughts? Should it be kept? Reverted? -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Not utterly irrelevant to your point but not entire related; I've only just realised, due to @ BlameRuiner:'s point, that this Template:National football squad start (goals) is why the date of birth column was messed up for the last year - I thought it was just Wikipedia's new appearance change. If we're looking to change the one above then could we get a ruling on this as well? Felixsv7 ( talk) 14:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
There is a new editor who seems convinced that Uruguay are four time world champions because they won gold at the Olympics in the 1920s as well as the World Cup in 1930 and 1950. For example on the Germany national football team article, they added: "Germany is one of the most successful national teams in international competitions, having won four FIFA World Cups ( 1954, 1974, 1990, 2014), tied with Uruguay [1], Italy, and only one less than the most successful team, Brazil." All of their edits are related to combining the two tournaments.
Although I do not have a great deal of knowledge on this period of football, this seems very misleading. I have also asked the editor to start a talk page discussion rather than to continually reinstate their changes. Does anyone have any perspective of this?
I've placed it here as this has been done across several pages: Uruguay: [12], Germany: [13], Argentina: [14], 1930 FIFA World Cup: [15]
Pinging @ User:Kante4 as they were involved too. Kind regards Michaeldble ( talk) 20:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC) Michaeldble ( talk) 20:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
( edit conflict) The whole story sounds a little murky. I could see explanations going either way and it seems to depend on who we're sourcing as well. Anyways, when mentioned it should probably be slightly elaborated on and linked to an appropriate article. -- SuperJew ( talk) 23:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
It is of note that the logo of the 1930 World Cup, organized by Uruguay, reads: "1er Campeonato Mundial de Football" (emphasis added). -- Theurgist ( talk) 03:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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