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Is it just me, or does it seem silly to disqualify articles with 5000 plus characters (see Anethole and Laurelwood, Oregon for example) because of a single fact tag? For one thing the rule says dispute tags, which can be parsed to mean you need more than one to reject, or if there are any tags. Its not perfectly clear by the text. I can understand disqualify for the big templates at the top (neutrality issues, general cleanup, etc.), but I think we should alter the rules to make it where you would need more than one of the inline tags (peacock, clarification, citation needed, etc.) to disqualify an article. After all, the goal was never to put forth FA quality articles at DYK. Certainly not stubs, but not FA. An article can even pass the GA quick fail with a citation needed tag or two. Aboutmovies ( talk) 08:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Right now we have at least three related list noms on T:TDYK:
All of them begin with some introductory text that explains what Nobel Prizes are and such, which isn't a problem in of itself (a few days ago I commented that intros seemed lengthier than necessary and were artificially inflating the prose count, but I retracted that later, as the article writer had a good reason for writing that much in the intros). The [possible] problem is that the background text in all of them is very similar, if not the same; not only similar to one another, but similar to the text in many (if not all; I didn't check) of the existing lists in Category:Nobel laureates.
In this particular case I think that text just shouldn't be counted, as it's not really new. But I also have a more general hypothetical question... assuming these were the first three Lists of Nobel Laureates ever on WP, and that intro text newly written for them but copied across all three, what would we do...count it for one but not the other two? Because in that case it really is new text, in a way, but also it doesn't seem fair to allow multiple DYKs to share the same chunk of text like that. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 22:07, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
This is a bit of a tricky issue, but I gave it some thought some time ago and the conclusion I came up with is that if text is both duplicated and less than five days old, then in the duplicate articles it can be ignored as counting toward either new text or text from which a x5 expansion is made, in other words, any new article with duplicate text will qualify so long as it has at least 1,500 chars of unique text, regardless of how much duplicated text there is. Gatoclass ( talk) 04:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The next update surely oughtn't to be Queue 6 as it states at the top of the page? It does not contain any Saint Patrick's Day hooks which it is in Ireland in approximately twenty minutes, soon will be in the United States and is pretty much across the world. -- Candlewicke S T # :) 23:43, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
To begin contributing at WP:DYK, can users just begin to suggest articles and discuss nominations, or is there a selection/registration element? Cheers! cf38 talk 18:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I've been thinking that perhaps it would helpful, when preparing updates, to have a bot that could post times in certain places around the world so we could more easily co-ordinate special occasion hooks with local timezones. The bot could post its output to, say, the master queue page, where it would list the time in which each queue page was due in each location.
So for example, you might have an output something like:
Queue page #1: New York 8 pm 17 March, London 5 pm 17 March, Sydney 11 am 18 Mar.
Queue page #2: New York 2 am 18 March, London 11 pm 17 March, Sydney 5 pm 19 Mar.
Queue page #3: New York 8 am 18 March, London 5 am 18 March, Sydney 5 pm 19 Mar.
... etc etc. The bot could take its cue from when the time template is reset. I have suggested New York, Sydney and London as the places to track because this is the English speaking Wikipedia and most of our users, and our special occasion days, will reflect that. Any comments? Gatoclass ( talk) 00:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Los Angeles | New York | UTC | London | New Delhi | Tokyo | Sydney | |
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Queue 6 | 14 July 17:00 |
14 July 20:00 |
15 July 00:00 |
15 July 01:00 |
15 July 05:30 |
15 July 09:00 |
15 July 10:00 |
Queue 7 | 15 July 17:00 |
15 July 20:00 |
16 July 00:00 |
16 July 01:00 |
16 July 05:30 |
16 July 09:00 |
16 July 10:00 |
Queue 1 | 16 July 17:00 |
16 July 20:00 |
17 July 00:00 |
17 July 01:00 |
17 July 05:30 |
17 July 09:00 |
17 July 10:00 |
Queue 2 | 17 July 17:00 |
17 July 20:00 |
18 July 00:00 |
18 July 01:00 |
18 July 05:30 |
18 July 09:00 |
18 July 10:00 |
Queue 3 | 18 July 17:00 |
18 July 20:00 |
19 July 00:00 |
19 July 01:00 |
19 July 05:30 |
19 July 09:00 |
19 July 10:00 |
Queue 4 Prep 4 |
19 July 17:00 |
19 July 20:00 |
20 July 00:00 |
20 July 01:00 |
20 July 05:30 |
20 July 09:00 |
20 July 10:00 |
Queue 5 Prep 5 |
20 July 17:00 |
20 July 20:00 |
21 July 00:00 |
21 July 01:00 |
21 July 05:30 |
21 July 09:00 |
21 July 10:00 |
Prep 6 | 21 July 17:00 |
21 July 20:00 |
22 July 00:00 |
22 July 01:00 |
22 July 05:30 |
22 July 09:00 |
22 July 10:00 |
Prep 7 | 22 July 17:00 |
22 July 20:00 |
23 July 00:00 |
23 July 01:00 |
23 July 05:30 |
23 July 09:00 |
23 July 10:00 |
Prep 1 | 23 July 17:00 |
23 July 20:00 |
24 July 00:00 |
24 July 01:00 |
24 July 05:30 |
24 July 09:00 |
24 July 10:00 |
Prep 2 | 24 July 17:00 |
24 July 20:00 |
25 July 00:00 |
25 July 01:00 |
25 July 05:30 |
25 July 09:00 |
25 July 10:00 |
Prep 3 | 25 July 17:00 |
25 July 20:00 |
26 July 00:00 |
26 July 01:00 |
26 July 05:30 |
26 July 09:00 |
26 July 10:00 |
For some odd reason, I am getting repeated errors trying to delete the hook section for George F. Hopkinson from the suggestions page. I've already promoted the hook but for whatever reason each time I try to remove this text I get a Wikimedia Error. Any help (like deleting that text) would be appreciated. Oh, and if you're still reading this, the last 100 hooks or so are in desperate need of review as some of them are getting quite old. Thanks. - Dravecky ( talk) 18:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Did we really go 11 hours between updates on the main page today? Yikes. - Dravecky ( talk) 05:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm somewhat new to DYK, but shouldn't the update have happened by now? Are we still having problems? Ronnotel ( talk) 14:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I see that my hook was accepted (and thank you!) and is in the next queue, but it has been rewritten and the new version doesn't make sense to me. The original hook was based around the sourced fact that contrary to common belief, this theater isn't a repurposed garage but an old factory:
But now in the queue there is:
Maybe the original lacked context, but the absence of "theater" and the "never was" were instrumental for the hook. The new one is saying, "DYK that a theater is not actually a garage?" which is a truism, when the original was "DYK that this Garage never was a garage?" Restoring the "never was" would restore some sense, as meaning "DYK that this theater named Garage never even was a garage?" It seems to me that it should be changed to either of:
I see Queue 5 is the next update in a few hours but I can't even be bold and fix it with "1" because it's protected. P.S.: At the top of Template:Did you know/Queue, I suggest you add a sentence such as "In case you see a problem with a hook, please contact USER X or discuss it at PAGE Y", because I wasn't sure where to go about this. — The Little Blue Frog ( ribbit) 00:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I've been working on a bot to tag DYK articles, and it's coming along well. The only parts left are file tagging and archiving. I've got a few questions about we want the bot to do:
Questions on archiving...
Right now I'm thinking the archives will be built like the most current archives, with subsections for individual days. Each page will correspond to a month. DYK images/media will be floated to the right. At the top of each set of hooks will be the time and date the hooks were removed from T:DYK. For more current archives, this will mean that the time below the set of hook will be the time the hooks were put on T:DYK, since updates are done in sets. In the early days of DYK, though, updates were "rolling", with older hooks being taken out from one side and newer hooks added from the other. Feel free to make suggestions and ask questions, technical or otherwise. Shubinator ( talk) 02:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Is DYKHousekeeping bot here just to organize the DYK archives? If so, after that's done I have another related task for a bot. The earliest DYK articles (circa 2006) didn't use {{ dyktalk}}. It used a subst box ( sample diff). You can find examples for testing in some of my earliest DYK articles here plus many of the long-term contributors at here. This should affect the counting for the number of DYKs that became GA. Royal broil 04:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Speaking of housekeeping tasks...while we're at it, would it be a lot of trouble to have the bot harvest the page view statistics from Henrik's page view tool (at least as far back as there is data for)? Maybe we could add a parameter to {{DYKtalk}} so it says something like "X was featured on the Main Page on 14 March 2009, and received a total of about 5 page views ( disclaimer about how page view statistics might be inaccurate, and how they're not a big deal, and whatever)". If it's too much of a far cry from what DYKHousekeepingBot is doing now, then you don't need to worry about cramming it in now, but it might be interesting to think of at some point; I think Cbl62 and the others at DYKSTATS are probably getting sick of looking all that stuff up by hand. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 13:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
{{#if:{{{views|}}}|, and was viewed approximately {{{views}}} times}}
or something like that.
rʨanaɢ
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21:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)I noticed that ArticleHistory right now doesn't have a field for the DYK hook. If it's added, DYKHousekeepingBot will be able to add the hook. (I know this has been brought up a few times before.) I think there's a benefit to having the hook appear on the template instead of just a link to archives. I'm not saying we should get rid of the archive link, but add a field for the hook. The bot can't put in the archive number because it doesn't "know" about the current archives. It would be good if future DYK GAs and FAs also included the hook in ArticleHistory, but I don't want to make more work for Gimmetrow or SandyGeorgia. While DYKHousekeepingBot is doing its run, it could easily add the hook if a field was created. If needed, the bot could also check for other issues with ArticleHistory, like both DYKtalk and ArticleHistory on the talk page (is this still a problem?). Shubinator ( talk) 00:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC) (I've sent a message to Gimmetrow.)
The practice here is not to delete en masse hooks older than a certain magical date, especially ones that have been already approved and are merely waiting for insertion into a queue. Individual hooks that are no longer being addressed may be deleted but there is no automatic age-out for DYK. - Dravecky ( talk) 09:18, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
While archives 23 and 27 (also someone talking about it in 37) discuss the various justifications for Easter-egg pipe links ( WP:EGG and also WP:PIPE). I think the way DYKs are written could use a change.
While I appreciate the need the brevity and succinctness, the use of eggy pipes does too much in the sense of the context (subject-matter wise) provided in what is linked to compared to the link itself. Usually the link text is in the language of the subject matter, and the linked article is in the language of the reader's reading work, if you catch my drift. For example, an example from today
The second link has a noun linked to by a non-noun, which imo is not a good thing. Implicit in the combination of words are various assertions which the reader is forced to conclude, which obviously may be incorrect (e.g. that Samizdat is the way underground distribution of clandestine information became common, or that Samizdat is a common method of underground distribution of clandestine information, etc.—admittedly these examples are weak).
The first link is a bit better, since it is a noun-to-noun pipe, but is deficient in the sense of not exactly being a faithful interpretation of the title. It implies that censorship and control = information dissemination.
The point of all this is that by mixing around words in the pipe links, readers are forced to "read between the lines" to understand what the DYK is trying to say, and in the process may form opinions which are wholly undesirable (e.g. is Wikipedia trying to politically influence me?, ... am I wrong? etc.) I'd say the second link example is the worst kind of pipe, but I think pipes of this kind, in general, are bad. 118.90.101.123 ( talk) 11:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
First Jassy-Kishinev Offensive is too small and its on the main page so it can stay but its 25% or so a quote. Victuallers ( talk) 11:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody monitor Wikipedia:DYKLIST for activity? I see at least three editors who have created or expanded at least 25 articles which were featured on DYK that have apparently yet to receive the standard token of recognition for this milestone. I would look into taking care of it myself but one of those usernames seems strangely familiar. - Dravecky ( talk) 18:09, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I likewise volunteer to send medals to anyone in need either at the prompting of the awardee or a 3rd party. Is User:Dravecky due for 50 DYK medal? -- Boston ( talk) 01:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm new to DYK; I added this on the 19th March; I wrote it on 14th.
I tried to follow all the instructions and criteria, but there's no comments or anything.
Maybe I did it wrong, by putting it under an older date, or something?
I'd appreciate any tips. Thanks. -- Chzz ► 23:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
For some reason, the DYK image isn't being protected by cascading protection. Gatoclass had problems with the last group, and I found the same problem with this group. There's a thread started at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Main_page_cascading_protection_not_working. Until this can be resolved, all admins need to make sure that the image is manually protected. Normally you shouldn't have to do this. Royal broil 13:08, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
The DYK archive entry for 00:15, 22 March 2009 at Wikipedia:Recent additions is wrong. See here. -- Grimhelm ( talk) 15:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
How would people like to have a direct link to the article history within each DYK nom? I threw together an update to the template that would do that; there is a sandbox example of it here, or here's an example right now:
Created/expanded by Jimbo Wales ( talk). Nominated by Rjanag ( talk) at 14:26, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
As usual, the changes to the code can be seen at
User:Rjanag/NewDYKnom dev. Anyway, does anyone think this would be useful, and not a pain?
(Also, I should note that for noms with multiple articles, this will create a history link for each article.) rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 20:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
(history)
telling DYKcheck to ignore it (I don't know what those tags would be, but who knows), feel free to edit the code at
User:Rjanag/NewDYKnom dev.
rʨanaɢ
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21:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Could an admin change "World War I" to "First World War" and "defenses" to "defences" please? This is a hook about a British subject and so should be in British English. It is in Queue One. Thanks - Dumelow ( talk) 11:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
The above notice was recently discussed on my talk page in regards to some possible tweaks, which were duly made. Having had this notice brought to my attention however, I've since come to the conclusion that the thing is more trouble than it's worth. It appears above the edit window on practically every DYK page, forcing users to scroll down to start editing - and with the numerous pages which need to be edited these days to post an update, it quickly becomes a nuisance.
The only page this notice has any business appearing on is the T:DYK page, but if it can't be confined to that, I would like to suggest dumping it altogether to speed up the updating process. Gatoclass ( talk) 00:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
This article was placed at the head of queue 6 last night, complete with photo, but today it has disappeared from the queue. I'm puzzled now... Can anyone tell me why? Many thanks.-- Myosotis Scorpioides 11:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
[3]
rʨanaɢ
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00:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
←I moved "Big Nose George" from the non-eligible candidates section at the April Fools DYK page. I'm hoping it was listed there by accident(?) — Bellhalla ( talk) 14:33, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Credits have been done for
Template:Did you know/Queue/4, now someone can clear it.
rʨanaɢ
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00:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#April_1st_guidelines_for_2009. Thank you. Ipatrol ( talk) 22:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
While doing something else entirely, and partially inspired by the folks WikiProject Oregon, I have devised a set of userboxes that a recipient of a DYK Medal could use to acknowledge and display the award on their userpage without having to take up all of the real estate that the full medal template takes up. I've mimicked the colors of the original recognition templates and invite any interested person to take a look in my sandbox then comment here on this idea/proposal. - Dravecky ( talk) 19:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Any objection if I change WP:Did you know/Prosesizebytes (and related passages) to emphasize User:Shubinator/DYKcheck instead of User:Dr_pda/prosesizebytes.js? DYKcheck does the same thing, and it also does more. From a new user's point of view, DYKcheck is no harder to use than prosesizebytes or prosesize, because the procedure is identical except for what file name to copy and what the button's name is. Art LaPella ( talk) 21:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Real Change is currently in Queue 5, which will be up from around 2 AM to 8 AM in US Central Time. Since it's a Seattle newspaper, might someone be able to switch it with an item in Queue 4 or Queue 6, so that it's up for at least part of the time when people in that time zone are awake? Thanks, rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 14:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please direct me to a link showing an example of what exactly constitutes "Fivefold expansion"? -- OlEnglish ( Talk) 19:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I've done the manual update from Queue3 and done all of the credits except for the ones related to KNOE-FM, an article I co-created. If some brave soul would please finish off this last article tag and two talk page tags then reset Queue3, it would be much appreciated. - Dravecky ( talk) 20:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Although it doesn't look very different, the LocalUpdateTimes template has gone through a major overhaul. It's now aware of Daylight Savings Time and will make the necessary corrections automatically. Also, you can now easily add an extra time zone. This will be useful for regional holidays. For example, {{Template:Did you know/Queue/LocalUpdateTimes |customname=Zimbabwe |customshift=+2 hours}} gives
Zimbabwe | Los Angeles | New York | UTC | London | New Delhi | Tokyo | Sydney | |
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Queue 6 | 15 July 02:00 |
14 July 17:00 |
14 July 20:00 |
15 July 00:00 |
15 July 01:00 |
15 July 05:30 |
15 July 09:00 |
15 July 10:00 |
Queue 7 | 16 July 02:00 |
15 July 17:00 |
15 July 20:00 |
16 July 00:00 |
16 July 01:00 |
16 July 05:30 |
16 July 09:00 |
16 July 10:00 |
Queue 1 | 17 July 02:00 |
16 July 17:00 |
16 July 20:00 |
17 July 00:00 |
17 July 01:00 |
17 July 05:30 |
17 July 09:00 |
17 July 10:00 |
Queue 2 | 18 July 02:00 |
17 July 17:00 |
17 July 20:00 |
18 July 00:00 |
18 July 01:00 |
18 July 05:30 |
18 July 09:00 |
18 July 10:00 |
Queue 3 | 19 July 02:00 |
18 July 17:00 |
18 July 20:00 |
19 July 00:00 |
19 July 01:00 |
19 July 05:30 |
19 July 09:00 |
19 July 10:00 |
Queue 4 Prep 4 |
20 July 02:00 |
19 July 17:00 |
19 July 20:00 |
20 July 00:00 |
20 July 01:00 |
20 July 05:30 |
20 July 09:00 |
20 July 10:00 |
Queue 5 Prep 5 |
21 July 02:00 |
20 July 17:00 |
20 July 20:00 |
21 July 00:00 |
21 July 01:00 |
21 July 05:30 |
21 July 09:00 |
21 July 10:00 |
Prep 6 | 22 July 02:00 |
21 July 17:00 |
21 July 20:00 |
22 July 00:00 |
22 July 01:00 |
22 July 05:30 |
22 July 09:00 |
22 July 10:00 |
Prep 7 | 23 July 02:00 |
22 July 17:00 |
22 July 20:00 |
23 July 00:00 |
23 July 01:00 |
23 July 05:30 |
23 July 09:00 |
23 July 10:00 |
Prep 1 | 24 July 02:00 |
23 July 17:00 |
23 July 20:00 |
24 July 00:00 |
24 July 01:00 |
24 July 05:30 |
24 July 09:00 |
24 July 10:00 |
Prep 2 | 25 July 02:00 |
24 July 17:00 |
24 July 20:00 |
25 July 00:00 |
25 July 01:00 |
25 July 05:30 |
25 July 09:00 |
25 July 10:00 |
Prep 3 | 26 July 02:00 |
25 July 17:00 |
25 July 20:00 |
26 July 00:00 |
26 July 01:00 |
26 July 05:30 |
26 July 09:00 |
26 July 10:00 |
You can also use the custom time zone to personalize the template for your own user page or talk page. Shubinator ( talk) 00:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
This Wednesday is April Fool's Day, the one day where we let our hair down. Let's try to get ahead as much as possible because everything's going to be placed on hold for a day. Right now there's almost 4 queues full of gems for April Fool's and there could possibly be a 5th queue if there's a last minute rush. The discussion is here and the queues are here. Royal broil 14:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Queue 2 has: ... that willow-leaved cotoneaster (Cotoneaster salicifolius) is a woody plant which is native to Western China, with over 30 cultivars which range from tiny groundcovers to large shrubs?
Or:
Please could someone define the Wikipedia meaning of "stub article"? I created Fledgling Jason Steed yesterday and marked it as "start class," before nominating it at DYK. (It isn't massively long, but it does have 25 refs etc). However, another editor removed the start tag and marked it is a stub. I always thought a stub was just a few lines, or a couple of paragraphs at most...-- Beehold ( talk) 11:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
This needs a comma:
— Mattisse ( Talk) 16:23, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I made an error in a hook in Queue 5. The following hook is incorrect:
It did not become a ghost town. It was sold and became a rental community and an RV Park and has been investigated by the EPA. Suggest the following alternatives:
Or
— Mattisse ( Talk) 22:09, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
...because I updated {{ NewDYKnom}}, as I mentioned above I would be doing. The only change is that it will create a direct link, within the nomination, to the article's history...the idea is that it will make it easier (1 click instead of 2) to get there if you need to visually inspect the history or if you just aren't using DYKcheck for some reason or another. Shubinator and I have done some talking to make sure the new formatting of the template won't confuse DYKcheck. So anyway, I updated it now because no one said they hated it and I can't see how it would hurt anything. If, after a few days, people aren't benefiting from it and they find the extra links really ugly or distracting or something, then it will be easy to revert and go back to the way things were. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 01:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Someone
pointed out at my talk page that this change to the DYK nom headers might make it more difficult to link to DYK noms. I have tried to make sure all the other various templates that link to sections (such as {{DYKproblem}}) now conform with this new setup by having (history)
in the header. Also, to make it easier for people to type out links to DYK noms (if you're having a discussion with someone, want to let them know you just nominated an article, etc.), I made {{
T:TDYK}}. I don't know if anyone will use it, but I figured it might make linking a bit less messy. For example, if you nominated the article
Example and I wanted to make a link to it, instead of doing
[[T:TDYK#Example (history)|your nomination]]
I can now just do
{{T:TDYK|Example|your nomination}}
Both yield this: your nomination. Anyway, it's not necessary or anything, I just thought it might make it easier to link to stuff and look less messy in the edit window. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 23:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I really think one or two of these hooks are trying too hard. For example, this one: that in 1518, hundreds of French people were told by Saint Vitus to dance to their deaths? I can't see anything in the article which supports that hook, and I suggest a new hook be found. Gatoclass ( talk) 06:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I have two hooks in this queue. I live in Britain, could someone tell me when they will "go live" here in old Blighty - as I'd like to see them. Thanks.-- Myosotis Scorpioides 11:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Last time I looked there were only four April Fool's updates. Are we all agreed then that the updates are only going to be changed once every 12 hours? It's the only way to stretch them across the full 48 hours. Gatoclass ( talk) 12:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
If we switch them every 8 hours, IMO they should expire a little after midnight Chicago time, if you run them off every six hours, they will expire about 5pm Chicago time, which doesn't seem like a very appropriate time for them to end. Gatoclass ( talk) 05:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
The last hook reads this: "... that a rules dispute during the first all-cowgirl rodeo, in 1948 in Amarillo, Texas, led to the formation of the first rodeo association for women?"
The word "held" should be just in front of "in 1948". By the way, I know about WP:ERROR, but the last two times I've posted there about DYK, nothing has been done until the hooks are off the main page. Cheers, — Ed 17 (Talk / Contribs) 22:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The current batch of April Fools hooks is quite amusing, nice job everyone who worked on the articles as well as to everyone involved in the planning. DYK deserves a collective medal or a barnstar or something.-- IvoShandor ( talk) 07:28, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
April fools day is over, and every section of the main page but DYK has switched back to serious mode. DYK is sticking out like a thumb. Does anyone object to me moving the current crop off the page now? Raul654 ( talk) 01:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
(out) Something else that should be done is to look at the hooks that did not make it and move them to the regular DYK queue where possible. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Per the above discussion, I've moved all the hooks from queue #6 (the only serious queue) and put them into the DYK template. Someone needs to make whatever other changes DYK needs at this point (including repopulating all the queues) Raul654 ( talk) 02:19, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) If it means anything to you guys, Google's April Fools pranks are still up right now. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 03:53, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Can someone do the credits for the current batch please? Not much point me doing them as I have a hook in there. Gatoclass ( talk) 05:20, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of credits, would anyone mind if I tweaked DYKmake and DYKnom to automatically include the signature for the person doing credits? I did this for DYKAFmake and DYKAFnom and it seemed to work pretty well. Shubinator ( talk) 16:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
</includeonly>
should be replaced with ~~<includeonly>~~</includeonly>
(see
User:Shubinator/DYKAFmake-insert for an example).Does anyone know when the page stats gadget will be updated to include April? -- Myosotis Scorpioides 12:48, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Do you know when/if this page will be updated? -- Aushulz ( talk) 17:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Is this where to discuss an issue with a specific hook that hasn't appeared on the Main Page yet? KV5 ( Talk • Phils) 17:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The new magic word {{REVISIONUSER}} is now enabled, and things such as
can be used as a default value in a template to automatically get at the last moment the login name of the user saving a page. Using it, {{ NewDYKnom}} (and the main page's examples) won't have to always require typing out our own username any more. (Yes, I feel concerned, why do you ask?) — The Little Blue Frog ( ribbit) 21:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
|nominator=
to automatically be filled in with {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>REVISIONUSER}} ? Might be a useful feature. At the same time, though, we also have to make sure the template still works for people nominating others' articles, or nominating an article that they worked on with other people, or (rare case, but still possible) posting a nom for someone else and not wanting to actually list themselves as a nominator.
rʨanaɢ
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contribs
21:58, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[[User:{{#switch: {{#lc:{{{nominator|self}}} }} |self|myself={{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>REVISIONUSER}} |#default={{{nominator}}} }}]]
|author=
defaults to {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>REVISIONUSER}}
, but only after first checking to make sure there is no value for |creator=
, |writer=
, and |expander=
(all of which are alternate names for the |author=
parameter, and which I have no idea how often people use, although I imagine |creator=
probably still gets used since that was the parameter's name in older versions of this template). I will still have to fiddle around a bit to get it to replace "self" and "myself" in |nominator=
with {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>REVISIONUSER}}
, because there is already a bunch of code there that compares {{{nominator}}}
to all the various |author=
and other parameters (the basic reason is that if someone lists themself as both author and nominator, we don't want to credit them twice, so "nominator" disappears if author and nominator are equal) so I'll have to find a way to get it to work in with all that.
rʨanaɢ
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contribs 21:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)I've done the long-overdue update from queue 3 (3.5 hours late! I miss the bot!) but since I have a hook in this queue I need somebody else to do the credits from this listing. Thanks. - Dravecky ( talk) 01:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I've completed the overdue update from queue 6 (where is that darned bot?) but I'm swamped-under busy at the moment. Can some other kind soul complete the credits from this list for me? Thanks. - Dravecky ( talk) 21:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm unclear what's supposed to be the current prose size of a stub according to the rules: Feral House has a short lead and a Film section that's a paragraph listing their books turned into movies. For DYK expansion rules, is it starting as 446 chars (lead only) or at 1286 chars (lead plus Films) or something else? Thanks, — The Little Blue Frog ( ribbit) 21:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if anybody else has done this, but I've compiled some of the April Fools' viewing stats. It's at a user sub-page here, listed in the order of how each hook was literally placed on T:DYK. Cheers, Jamie ☆ S93 19:44, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
I updated the stats. Some of them did better because they were up for much longer - the first two updates, for example, were up twice as long as the last one.
The only result that really suprises me is that Radio Hat didn't get more views. I thought everyone would want to take a closer look at that radio hat! (Although maybe they just clicked on the pic and didn't worry about the article). I think if the results indicate anything, it's that "funny" hooks don't really work - it's the quirky and suprising ones that excite people's curiosity. Gatoclass ( talk) 01:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, is there a reason Pointe des Almadies was removed from the queue without running? All the information was verified and no one requested a change or posted any objection. I thought part of our goal was to correct systemic bias, not perpetuate it. A search for "Africa" turns up only one return for the most recent page of the DYK archives. This is the westernmost point on the continent! It doesn't make sense: we're running community colleges at DYK and ignoring important geography. Pointe des Almadies was even used to settle a maritime boundary dispute between two countries. Please explain the removal? Durova Charge! 04:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
There's a hook in queue 5 that reads: "... that conductor George Georgescu first made music as a child by playing a violin won by his father in a raffle between his legs like a cello?"
This make it sound like the raffle was between his father's legs (which is, of course, nonsense) but I'm temporarily at a loss for a good way to re-word this. Any ideas? - Dravecky ( talk) 06:50, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Someone asked me why the hook for That Lady in Ermine was not used, although approved. Since I don't know on what basis or who chooses the approved hooks to feature, I am asking here. Thanks, — Mattisse ( Talk) 13:08, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
We need to get this article to DYK. I don't care how, it would just be a great hook. ∗ \ / ( ⁂) 14:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the new FAs are, but according to User:Rjanag/DYKfuture the number of former DYK articles that have grown into FAs just passed 300. Hooray, rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 05:25, 8 April 2009 (UTC) Note: the usual caveat, about how random numbers are nothing more than random numbers, applies. 300 just happens to be a nice and round random number, and I think it's cute. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 05:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
If I develop an article in my personal sandbox for over five days, will it still be eligible for DYK when I copy+paste it to the mainspace? Queenie 18:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Just a heads up but we are currently needing some more people to review hooks. There are several days worth of expiring noms that have not been gotten to yet. We don't even have enough hooks approved currently to fill one more queue. Broadweighbabe ( talk) 19:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I've just done the current update from queue 1 but somebody needs to follow this link and do the credits. Thanks! - Dravecky ( talk) 12:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
The queue 2 update is done but with most folks out for Good Friday around here I'm extra-slammed for time. If some kind soul could follow this link and do the credits, it would be much appreciated. - Dravecky ( talk) 19:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
And now queue 3 is done and while I finally have the time to do credits, irony strikes and one of my hooks is in this set. So if somebody could follow this link and knock these out, I'd owe 'em a virtual cookie. - Dravecky ( talk) 01:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
By the way, the previous DYK image was vandalized. Updating admins, please make sure the cascading protection has kicked in after doing an update (try to edit the image description and see if you get a protection notice). Purging the Main Page has been rumored to help. If needed, protect manually. Thankfully our Commons images are getting protected there by a certain Commons admin :) Shubinator ( talk) 01:36, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Didn't have time to do them as I have to go out. Queue #4. Gatoclass ( talk) 07:33, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
We only have one more update ready after this one. If anyone could manage to put together one or two, that would be appreciated. Gatoclass ( talk) 08:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
The more I look into it, the more I think the species originally identified in the image:Sticta ainoae.jpg pic is incorrect – it doesn't jive with the general description of the genus in the article (which is derived from material from a reputable source). However, the other image now in the article shown here
matches the genus description, and is of similar quality. Could someone kindly make this change (image and species name)? Sasata ( talk) 06:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
For the current Queue 1, please change Junmin Shenfenzheng to Jumin Shenfenzheng (the first is a redirect to the second). Thanks. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 09:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
That's how bad the backlog is getting. I'm trying my best to clean the lower level, but only so much I can do. We need more decision-makers on those bottom hooks. A 9-day backlog (I got it down to 7) is ridiculous. Wizardman 17:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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Is it just me, or does it seem silly to disqualify articles with 5000 plus characters (see Anethole and Laurelwood, Oregon for example) because of a single fact tag? For one thing the rule says dispute tags, which can be parsed to mean you need more than one to reject, or if there are any tags. Its not perfectly clear by the text. I can understand disqualify for the big templates at the top (neutrality issues, general cleanup, etc.), but I think we should alter the rules to make it where you would need more than one of the inline tags (peacock, clarification, citation needed, etc.) to disqualify an article. After all, the goal was never to put forth FA quality articles at DYK. Certainly not stubs, but not FA. An article can even pass the GA quick fail with a citation needed tag or two. Aboutmovies ( talk) 08:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Right now we have at least three related list noms on T:TDYK:
All of them begin with some introductory text that explains what Nobel Prizes are and such, which isn't a problem in of itself (a few days ago I commented that intros seemed lengthier than necessary and were artificially inflating the prose count, but I retracted that later, as the article writer had a good reason for writing that much in the intros). The [possible] problem is that the background text in all of them is very similar, if not the same; not only similar to one another, but similar to the text in many (if not all; I didn't check) of the existing lists in Category:Nobel laureates.
In this particular case I think that text just shouldn't be counted, as it's not really new. But I also have a more general hypothetical question... assuming these were the first three Lists of Nobel Laureates ever on WP, and that intro text newly written for them but copied across all three, what would we do...count it for one but not the other two? Because in that case it really is new text, in a way, but also it doesn't seem fair to allow multiple DYKs to share the same chunk of text like that. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 22:07, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
This is a bit of a tricky issue, but I gave it some thought some time ago and the conclusion I came up with is that if text is both duplicated and less than five days old, then in the duplicate articles it can be ignored as counting toward either new text or text from which a x5 expansion is made, in other words, any new article with duplicate text will qualify so long as it has at least 1,500 chars of unique text, regardless of how much duplicated text there is. Gatoclass ( talk) 04:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The next update surely oughtn't to be Queue 6 as it states at the top of the page? It does not contain any Saint Patrick's Day hooks which it is in Ireland in approximately twenty minutes, soon will be in the United States and is pretty much across the world. -- Candlewicke S T # :) 23:43, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
To begin contributing at WP:DYK, can users just begin to suggest articles and discuss nominations, or is there a selection/registration element? Cheers! cf38 talk 18:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I've been thinking that perhaps it would helpful, when preparing updates, to have a bot that could post times in certain places around the world so we could more easily co-ordinate special occasion hooks with local timezones. The bot could post its output to, say, the master queue page, where it would list the time in which each queue page was due in each location.
So for example, you might have an output something like:
Queue page #1: New York 8 pm 17 March, London 5 pm 17 March, Sydney 11 am 18 Mar.
Queue page #2: New York 2 am 18 March, London 11 pm 17 March, Sydney 5 pm 19 Mar.
Queue page #3: New York 8 am 18 March, London 5 am 18 March, Sydney 5 pm 19 Mar.
... etc etc. The bot could take its cue from when the time template is reset. I have suggested New York, Sydney and London as the places to track because this is the English speaking Wikipedia and most of our users, and our special occasion days, will reflect that. Any comments? Gatoclass ( talk) 00:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Los Angeles | New York | UTC | London | New Delhi | Tokyo | Sydney | |
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Queue 6 | 14 July 17:00 |
14 July 20:00 |
15 July 00:00 |
15 July 01:00 |
15 July 05:30 |
15 July 09:00 |
15 July 10:00 |
Queue 7 | 15 July 17:00 |
15 July 20:00 |
16 July 00:00 |
16 July 01:00 |
16 July 05:30 |
16 July 09:00 |
16 July 10:00 |
Queue 1 | 16 July 17:00 |
16 July 20:00 |
17 July 00:00 |
17 July 01:00 |
17 July 05:30 |
17 July 09:00 |
17 July 10:00 |
Queue 2 | 17 July 17:00 |
17 July 20:00 |
18 July 00:00 |
18 July 01:00 |
18 July 05:30 |
18 July 09:00 |
18 July 10:00 |
Queue 3 | 18 July 17:00 |
18 July 20:00 |
19 July 00:00 |
19 July 01:00 |
19 July 05:30 |
19 July 09:00 |
19 July 10:00 |
Queue 4 Prep 4 |
19 July 17:00 |
19 July 20:00 |
20 July 00:00 |
20 July 01:00 |
20 July 05:30 |
20 July 09:00 |
20 July 10:00 |
Queue 5 Prep 5 |
20 July 17:00 |
20 July 20:00 |
21 July 00:00 |
21 July 01:00 |
21 July 05:30 |
21 July 09:00 |
21 July 10:00 |
Prep 6 | 21 July 17:00 |
21 July 20:00 |
22 July 00:00 |
22 July 01:00 |
22 July 05:30 |
22 July 09:00 |
22 July 10:00 |
Prep 7 | 22 July 17:00 |
22 July 20:00 |
23 July 00:00 |
23 July 01:00 |
23 July 05:30 |
23 July 09:00 |
23 July 10:00 |
Prep 1 | 23 July 17:00 |
23 July 20:00 |
24 July 00:00 |
24 July 01:00 |
24 July 05:30 |
24 July 09:00 |
24 July 10:00 |
Prep 2 | 24 July 17:00 |
24 July 20:00 |
25 July 00:00 |
25 July 01:00 |
25 July 05:30 |
25 July 09:00 |
25 July 10:00 |
Prep 3 | 25 July 17:00 |
25 July 20:00 |
26 July 00:00 |
26 July 01:00 |
26 July 05:30 |
26 July 09:00 |
26 July 10:00 |
For some odd reason, I am getting repeated errors trying to delete the hook section for George F. Hopkinson from the suggestions page. I've already promoted the hook but for whatever reason each time I try to remove this text I get a Wikimedia Error. Any help (like deleting that text) would be appreciated. Oh, and if you're still reading this, the last 100 hooks or so are in desperate need of review as some of them are getting quite old. Thanks. - Dravecky ( talk) 18:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Did we really go 11 hours between updates on the main page today? Yikes. - Dravecky ( talk) 05:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm somewhat new to DYK, but shouldn't the update have happened by now? Are we still having problems? Ronnotel ( talk) 14:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I see that my hook was accepted (and thank you!) and is in the next queue, but it has been rewritten and the new version doesn't make sense to me. The original hook was based around the sourced fact that contrary to common belief, this theater isn't a repurposed garage but an old factory:
But now in the queue there is:
Maybe the original lacked context, but the absence of "theater" and the "never was" were instrumental for the hook. The new one is saying, "DYK that a theater is not actually a garage?" which is a truism, when the original was "DYK that this Garage never was a garage?" Restoring the "never was" would restore some sense, as meaning "DYK that this theater named Garage never even was a garage?" It seems to me that it should be changed to either of:
I see Queue 5 is the next update in a few hours but I can't even be bold and fix it with "1" because it's protected. P.S.: At the top of Template:Did you know/Queue, I suggest you add a sentence such as "In case you see a problem with a hook, please contact USER X or discuss it at PAGE Y", because I wasn't sure where to go about this. — The Little Blue Frog ( ribbit) 00:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I've been working on a bot to tag DYK articles, and it's coming along well. The only parts left are file tagging and archiving. I've got a few questions about we want the bot to do:
Questions on archiving...
Right now I'm thinking the archives will be built like the most current archives, with subsections for individual days. Each page will correspond to a month. DYK images/media will be floated to the right. At the top of each set of hooks will be the time and date the hooks were removed from T:DYK. For more current archives, this will mean that the time below the set of hook will be the time the hooks were put on T:DYK, since updates are done in sets. In the early days of DYK, though, updates were "rolling", with older hooks being taken out from one side and newer hooks added from the other. Feel free to make suggestions and ask questions, technical or otherwise. Shubinator ( talk) 02:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Is DYKHousekeeping bot here just to organize the DYK archives? If so, after that's done I have another related task for a bot. The earliest DYK articles (circa 2006) didn't use {{ dyktalk}}. It used a subst box ( sample diff). You can find examples for testing in some of my earliest DYK articles here plus many of the long-term contributors at here. This should affect the counting for the number of DYKs that became GA. Royal broil 04:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Speaking of housekeeping tasks...while we're at it, would it be a lot of trouble to have the bot harvest the page view statistics from Henrik's page view tool (at least as far back as there is data for)? Maybe we could add a parameter to {{DYKtalk}} so it says something like "X was featured on the Main Page on 14 March 2009, and received a total of about 5 page views ( disclaimer about how page view statistics might be inaccurate, and how they're not a big deal, and whatever)". If it's too much of a far cry from what DYKHousekeepingBot is doing now, then you don't need to worry about cramming it in now, but it might be interesting to think of at some point; I think Cbl62 and the others at DYKSTATS are probably getting sick of looking all that stuff up by hand. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 13:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
{{#if:{{{views|}}}|, and was viewed approximately {{{views}}} times}}
or something like that.
rʨanaɢ
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contribs
21:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)I noticed that ArticleHistory right now doesn't have a field for the DYK hook. If it's added, DYKHousekeepingBot will be able to add the hook. (I know this has been brought up a few times before.) I think there's a benefit to having the hook appear on the template instead of just a link to archives. I'm not saying we should get rid of the archive link, but add a field for the hook. The bot can't put in the archive number because it doesn't "know" about the current archives. It would be good if future DYK GAs and FAs also included the hook in ArticleHistory, but I don't want to make more work for Gimmetrow or SandyGeorgia. While DYKHousekeepingBot is doing its run, it could easily add the hook if a field was created. If needed, the bot could also check for other issues with ArticleHistory, like both DYKtalk and ArticleHistory on the talk page (is this still a problem?). Shubinator ( talk) 00:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC) (I've sent a message to Gimmetrow.)
The practice here is not to delete en masse hooks older than a certain magical date, especially ones that have been already approved and are merely waiting for insertion into a queue. Individual hooks that are no longer being addressed may be deleted but there is no automatic age-out for DYK. - Dravecky ( talk) 09:18, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
While archives 23 and 27 (also someone talking about it in 37) discuss the various justifications for Easter-egg pipe links ( WP:EGG and also WP:PIPE). I think the way DYKs are written could use a change.
While I appreciate the need the brevity and succinctness, the use of eggy pipes does too much in the sense of the context (subject-matter wise) provided in what is linked to compared to the link itself. Usually the link text is in the language of the subject matter, and the linked article is in the language of the reader's reading work, if you catch my drift. For example, an example from today
The second link has a noun linked to by a non-noun, which imo is not a good thing. Implicit in the combination of words are various assertions which the reader is forced to conclude, which obviously may be incorrect (e.g. that Samizdat is the way underground distribution of clandestine information became common, or that Samizdat is a common method of underground distribution of clandestine information, etc.—admittedly these examples are weak).
The first link is a bit better, since it is a noun-to-noun pipe, but is deficient in the sense of not exactly being a faithful interpretation of the title. It implies that censorship and control = information dissemination.
The point of all this is that by mixing around words in the pipe links, readers are forced to "read between the lines" to understand what the DYK is trying to say, and in the process may form opinions which are wholly undesirable (e.g. is Wikipedia trying to politically influence me?, ... am I wrong? etc.) I'd say the second link example is the worst kind of pipe, but I think pipes of this kind, in general, are bad. 118.90.101.123 ( talk) 11:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
First Jassy-Kishinev Offensive is too small and its on the main page so it can stay but its 25% or so a quote. Victuallers ( talk) 11:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody monitor Wikipedia:DYKLIST for activity? I see at least three editors who have created or expanded at least 25 articles which were featured on DYK that have apparently yet to receive the standard token of recognition for this milestone. I would look into taking care of it myself but one of those usernames seems strangely familiar. - Dravecky ( talk) 18:09, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I likewise volunteer to send medals to anyone in need either at the prompting of the awardee or a 3rd party. Is User:Dravecky due for 50 DYK medal? -- Boston ( talk) 01:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm new to DYK; I added this on the 19th March; I wrote it on 14th.
I tried to follow all the instructions and criteria, but there's no comments or anything.
Maybe I did it wrong, by putting it under an older date, or something?
I'd appreciate any tips. Thanks. -- Chzz ► 23:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
For some reason, the DYK image isn't being protected by cascading protection. Gatoclass had problems with the last group, and I found the same problem with this group. There's a thread started at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Main_page_cascading_protection_not_working. Until this can be resolved, all admins need to make sure that the image is manually protected. Normally you shouldn't have to do this. Royal broil 13:08, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
The DYK archive entry for 00:15, 22 March 2009 at Wikipedia:Recent additions is wrong. See here. -- Grimhelm ( talk) 15:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
How would people like to have a direct link to the article history within each DYK nom? I threw together an update to the template that would do that; there is a sandbox example of it here, or here's an example right now:
Created/expanded by Jimbo Wales ( talk). Nominated by Rjanag ( talk) at 14:26, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
As usual, the changes to the code can be seen at
User:Rjanag/NewDYKnom dev. Anyway, does anyone think this would be useful, and not a pain?
(Also, I should note that for noms with multiple articles, this will create a history link for each article.) rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 20:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
(history)
telling DYKcheck to ignore it (I don't know what those tags would be, but who knows), feel free to edit the code at
User:Rjanag/NewDYKnom dev.
rʨanaɢ
talk/
contribs
21:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Could an admin change "World War I" to "First World War" and "defenses" to "defences" please? This is a hook about a British subject and so should be in British English. It is in Queue One. Thanks - Dumelow ( talk) 11:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
The above notice was recently discussed on my talk page in regards to some possible tweaks, which were duly made. Having had this notice brought to my attention however, I've since come to the conclusion that the thing is more trouble than it's worth. It appears above the edit window on practically every DYK page, forcing users to scroll down to start editing - and with the numerous pages which need to be edited these days to post an update, it quickly becomes a nuisance.
The only page this notice has any business appearing on is the T:DYK page, but if it can't be confined to that, I would like to suggest dumping it altogether to speed up the updating process. Gatoclass ( talk) 00:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
This article was placed at the head of queue 6 last night, complete with photo, but today it has disappeared from the queue. I'm puzzled now... Can anyone tell me why? Many thanks.-- Myosotis Scorpioides 11:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
[3]
rʨanaɢ
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contribs
00:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
←I moved "Big Nose George" from the non-eligible candidates section at the April Fools DYK page. I'm hoping it was listed there by accident(?) — Bellhalla ( talk) 14:33, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Credits have been done for
Template:Did you know/Queue/4, now someone can clear it.
rʨanaɢ
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contribs
00:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#April_1st_guidelines_for_2009. Thank you. Ipatrol ( talk) 22:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
While doing something else entirely, and partially inspired by the folks WikiProject Oregon, I have devised a set of userboxes that a recipient of a DYK Medal could use to acknowledge and display the award on their userpage without having to take up all of the real estate that the full medal template takes up. I've mimicked the colors of the original recognition templates and invite any interested person to take a look in my sandbox then comment here on this idea/proposal. - Dravecky ( talk) 19:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Any objection if I change WP:Did you know/Prosesizebytes (and related passages) to emphasize User:Shubinator/DYKcheck instead of User:Dr_pda/prosesizebytes.js? DYKcheck does the same thing, and it also does more. From a new user's point of view, DYKcheck is no harder to use than prosesizebytes or prosesize, because the procedure is identical except for what file name to copy and what the button's name is. Art LaPella ( talk) 21:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Real Change is currently in Queue 5, which will be up from around 2 AM to 8 AM in US Central Time. Since it's a Seattle newspaper, might someone be able to switch it with an item in Queue 4 or Queue 6, so that it's up for at least part of the time when people in that time zone are awake? Thanks, rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 14:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please direct me to a link showing an example of what exactly constitutes "Fivefold expansion"? -- OlEnglish ( Talk) 19:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I've done the manual update from Queue3 and done all of the credits except for the ones related to KNOE-FM, an article I co-created. If some brave soul would please finish off this last article tag and two talk page tags then reset Queue3, it would be much appreciated. - Dravecky ( talk) 20:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Although it doesn't look very different, the LocalUpdateTimes template has gone through a major overhaul. It's now aware of Daylight Savings Time and will make the necessary corrections automatically. Also, you can now easily add an extra time zone. This will be useful for regional holidays. For example, {{Template:Did you know/Queue/LocalUpdateTimes |customname=Zimbabwe |customshift=+2 hours}} gives
Zimbabwe | Los Angeles | New York | UTC | London | New Delhi | Tokyo | Sydney | |
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Queue 6 | 15 July 02:00 |
14 July 17:00 |
14 July 20:00 |
15 July 00:00 |
15 July 01:00 |
15 July 05:30 |
15 July 09:00 |
15 July 10:00 |
Queue 7 | 16 July 02:00 |
15 July 17:00 |
15 July 20:00 |
16 July 00:00 |
16 July 01:00 |
16 July 05:30 |
16 July 09:00 |
16 July 10:00 |
Queue 1 | 17 July 02:00 |
16 July 17:00 |
16 July 20:00 |
17 July 00:00 |
17 July 01:00 |
17 July 05:30 |
17 July 09:00 |
17 July 10:00 |
Queue 2 | 18 July 02:00 |
17 July 17:00 |
17 July 20:00 |
18 July 00:00 |
18 July 01:00 |
18 July 05:30 |
18 July 09:00 |
18 July 10:00 |
Queue 3 | 19 July 02:00 |
18 July 17:00 |
18 July 20:00 |
19 July 00:00 |
19 July 01:00 |
19 July 05:30 |
19 July 09:00 |
19 July 10:00 |
Queue 4 Prep 4 |
20 July 02:00 |
19 July 17:00 |
19 July 20:00 |
20 July 00:00 |
20 July 01:00 |
20 July 05:30 |
20 July 09:00 |
20 July 10:00 |
Queue 5 Prep 5 |
21 July 02:00 |
20 July 17:00 |
20 July 20:00 |
21 July 00:00 |
21 July 01:00 |
21 July 05:30 |
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You can also use the custom time zone to personalize the template for your own user page or talk page. Shubinator ( talk) 00:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
This Wednesday is April Fool's Day, the one day where we let our hair down. Let's try to get ahead as much as possible because everything's going to be placed on hold for a day. Right now there's almost 4 queues full of gems for April Fool's and there could possibly be a 5th queue if there's a last minute rush. The discussion is here and the queues are here. Royal broil 14:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Queue 2 has: ... that willow-leaved cotoneaster (Cotoneaster salicifolius) is a woody plant which is native to Western China, with over 30 cultivars which range from tiny groundcovers to large shrubs?
Or:
Please could someone define the Wikipedia meaning of "stub article"? I created Fledgling Jason Steed yesterday and marked it as "start class," before nominating it at DYK. (It isn't massively long, but it does have 25 refs etc). However, another editor removed the start tag and marked it is a stub. I always thought a stub was just a few lines, or a couple of paragraphs at most...-- Beehold ( talk) 11:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
This needs a comma:
— Mattisse ( Talk) 16:23, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I made an error in a hook in Queue 5. The following hook is incorrect:
It did not become a ghost town. It was sold and became a rental community and an RV Park and has been investigated by the EPA. Suggest the following alternatives:
Or
— Mattisse ( Talk) 22:09, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
...because I updated {{ NewDYKnom}}, as I mentioned above I would be doing. The only change is that it will create a direct link, within the nomination, to the article's history...the idea is that it will make it easier (1 click instead of 2) to get there if you need to visually inspect the history or if you just aren't using DYKcheck for some reason or another. Shubinator and I have done some talking to make sure the new formatting of the template won't confuse DYKcheck. So anyway, I updated it now because no one said they hated it and I can't see how it would hurt anything. If, after a few days, people aren't benefiting from it and they find the extra links really ugly or distracting or something, then it will be easy to revert and go back to the way things were. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 01:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Someone
pointed out at my talk page that this change to the DYK nom headers might make it more difficult to link to DYK noms. I have tried to make sure all the other various templates that link to sections (such as {{DYKproblem}}) now conform with this new setup by having (history)
in the header. Also, to make it easier for people to type out links to DYK noms (if you're having a discussion with someone, want to let them know you just nominated an article, etc.), I made {{
T:TDYK}}. I don't know if anyone will use it, but I figured it might make linking a bit less messy. For example, if you nominated the article
Example and I wanted to make a link to it, instead of doing
[[T:TDYK#Example (history)|your nomination]]
I can now just do
{{T:TDYK|Example|your nomination}}
Both yield this: your nomination. Anyway, it's not necessary or anything, I just thought it might make it easier to link to stuff and look less messy in the edit window. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 23:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I really think one or two of these hooks are trying too hard. For example, this one: that in 1518, hundreds of French people were told by Saint Vitus to dance to their deaths? I can't see anything in the article which supports that hook, and I suggest a new hook be found. Gatoclass ( talk) 06:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I have two hooks in this queue. I live in Britain, could someone tell me when they will "go live" here in old Blighty - as I'd like to see them. Thanks.-- Myosotis Scorpioides 11:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Last time I looked there were only four April Fool's updates. Are we all agreed then that the updates are only going to be changed once every 12 hours? It's the only way to stretch them across the full 48 hours. Gatoclass ( talk) 12:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
If we switch them every 8 hours, IMO they should expire a little after midnight Chicago time, if you run them off every six hours, they will expire about 5pm Chicago time, which doesn't seem like a very appropriate time for them to end. Gatoclass ( talk) 05:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
The last hook reads this: "... that a rules dispute during the first all-cowgirl rodeo, in 1948 in Amarillo, Texas, led to the formation of the first rodeo association for women?"
The word "held" should be just in front of "in 1948". By the way, I know about WP:ERROR, but the last two times I've posted there about DYK, nothing has been done until the hooks are off the main page. Cheers, — Ed 17 (Talk / Contribs) 22:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The current batch of April Fools hooks is quite amusing, nice job everyone who worked on the articles as well as to everyone involved in the planning. DYK deserves a collective medal or a barnstar or something.-- IvoShandor ( talk) 07:28, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
April fools day is over, and every section of the main page but DYK has switched back to serious mode. DYK is sticking out like a thumb. Does anyone object to me moving the current crop off the page now? Raul654 ( talk) 01:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
(out) Something else that should be done is to look at the hooks that did not make it and move them to the regular DYK queue where possible. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Per the above discussion, I've moved all the hooks from queue #6 (the only serious queue) and put them into the DYK template. Someone needs to make whatever other changes DYK needs at this point (including repopulating all the queues) Raul654 ( talk) 02:19, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) If it means anything to you guys, Google's April Fools pranks are still up right now. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 03:53, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Can someone do the credits for the current batch please? Not much point me doing them as I have a hook in there. Gatoclass ( talk) 05:20, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of credits, would anyone mind if I tweaked DYKmake and DYKnom to automatically include the signature for the person doing credits? I did this for DYKAFmake and DYKAFnom and it seemed to work pretty well. Shubinator ( talk) 16:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
</includeonly>
should be replaced with ~~<includeonly>~~</includeonly>
(see
User:Shubinator/DYKAFmake-insert for an example).Does anyone know when the page stats gadget will be updated to include April? -- Myosotis Scorpioides 12:48, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Do you know when/if this page will be updated? -- Aushulz ( talk) 17:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Is this where to discuss an issue with a specific hook that hasn't appeared on the Main Page yet? KV5 ( Talk • Phils) 17:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The new magic word {{REVISIONUSER}} is now enabled, and things such as
can be used as a default value in a template to automatically get at the last moment the login name of the user saving a page. Using it, {{ NewDYKnom}} (and the main page's examples) won't have to always require typing out our own username any more. (Yes, I feel concerned, why do you ask?) — The Little Blue Frog ( ribbit) 21:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
|nominator=
to automatically be filled in with {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>REVISIONUSER}} ? Might be a useful feature. At the same time, though, we also have to make sure the template still works for people nominating others' articles, or nominating an article that they worked on with other people, or (rare case, but still possible) posting a nom for someone else and not wanting to actually list themselves as a nominator.
rʨanaɢ
talk/
contribs
21:58, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[[User:{{#switch: {{#lc:{{{nominator|self}}} }} |self|myself={{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>REVISIONUSER}} |#default={{{nominator}}} }}]]
|author=
defaults to {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>REVISIONUSER}}
, but only after first checking to make sure there is no value for |creator=
, |writer=
, and |expander=
(all of which are alternate names for the |author=
parameter, and which I have no idea how often people use, although I imagine |creator=
probably still gets used since that was the parameter's name in older versions of this template). I will still have to fiddle around a bit to get it to replace "self" and "myself" in |nominator=
with {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>REVISIONUSER}}
, because there is already a bunch of code there that compares {{{nominator}}}
to all the various |author=
and other parameters (the basic reason is that if someone lists themself as both author and nominator, we don't want to credit them twice, so "nominator" disappears if author and nominator are equal) so I'll have to find a way to get it to work in with all that.
rʨanaɢ
talk/
contribs 21:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)I've done the long-overdue update from queue 3 (3.5 hours late! I miss the bot!) but since I have a hook in this queue I need somebody else to do the credits from this listing. Thanks. - Dravecky ( talk) 01:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I've completed the overdue update from queue 6 (where is that darned bot?) but I'm swamped-under busy at the moment. Can some other kind soul complete the credits from this list for me? Thanks. - Dravecky ( talk) 21:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm unclear what's supposed to be the current prose size of a stub according to the rules: Feral House has a short lead and a Film section that's a paragraph listing their books turned into movies. For DYK expansion rules, is it starting as 446 chars (lead only) or at 1286 chars (lead plus Films) or something else? Thanks, — The Little Blue Frog ( ribbit) 21:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if anybody else has done this, but I've compiled some of the April Fools' viewing stats. It's at a user sub-page here, listed in the order of how each hook was literally placed on T:DYK. Cheers, Jamie ☆ S93 19:44, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
I updated the stats. Some of them did better because they were up for much longer - the first two updates, for example, were up twice as long as the last one.
The only result that really suprises me is that Radio Hat didn't get more views. I thought everyone would want to take a closer look at that radio hat! (Although maybe they just clicked on the pic and didn't worry about the article). I think if the results indicate anything, it's that "funny" hooks don't really work - it's the quirky and suprising ones that excite people's curiosity. Gatoclass ( talk) 01:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, is there a reason Pointe des Almadies was removed from the queue without running? All the information was verified and no one requested a change or posted any objection. I thought part of our goal was to correct systemic bias, not perpetuate it. A search for "Africa" turns up only one return for the most recent page of the DYK archives. This is the westernmost point on the continent! It doesn't make sense: we're running community colleges at DYK and ignoring important geography. Pointe des Almadies was even used to settle a maritime boundary dispute between two countries. Please explain the removal? Durova Charge! 04:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
There's a hook in queue 5 that reads: "... that conductor George Georgescu first made music as a child by playing a violin won by his father in a raffle between his legs like a cello?"
This make it sound like the raffle was between his father's legs (which is, of course, nonsense) but I'm temporarily at a loss for a good way to re-word this. Any ideas? - Dravecky ( talk) 06:50, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Someone asked me why the hook for That Lady in Ermine was not used, although approved. Since I don't know on what basis or who chooses the approved hooks to feature, I am asking here. Thanks, — Mattisse ( Talk) 13:08, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
We need to get this article to DYK. I don't care how, it would just be a great hook. ∗ \ / ( ⁂) 14:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the new FAs are, but according to User:Rjanag/DYKfuture the number of former DYK articles that have grown into FAs just passed 300. Hooray, rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 05:25, 8 April 2009 (UTC) Note: the usual caveat, about how random numbers are nothing more than random numbers, applies. 300 just happens to be a nice and round random number, and I think it's cute. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 05:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
If I develop an article in my personal sandbox for over five days, will it still be eligible for DYK when I copy+paste it to the mainspace? Queenie 18:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Just a heads up but we are currently needing some more people to review hooks. There are several days worth of expiring noms that have not been gotten to yet. We don't even have enough hooks approved currently to fill one more queue. Broadweighbabe ( talk) 19:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I've just done the current update from queue 1 but somebody needs to follow this link and do the credits. Thanks! - Dravecky ( talk) 12:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
The queue 2 update is done but with most folks out for Good Friday around here I'm extra-slammed for time. If some kind soul could follow this link and do the credits, it would be much appreciated. - Dravecky ( talk) 19:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
And now queue 3 is done and while I finally have the time to do credits, irony strikes and one of my hooks is in this set. So if somebody could follow this link and knock these out, I'd owe 'em a virtual cookie. - Dravecky ( talk) 01:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
By the way, the previous DYK image was vandalized. Updating admins, please make sure the cascading protection has kicked in after doing an update (try to edit the image description and see if you get a protection notice). Purging the Main Page has been rumored to help. If needed, protect manually. Thankfully our Commons images are getting protected there by a certain Commons admin :) Shubinator ( talk) 01:36, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Didn't have time to do them as I have to go out. Queue #4. Gatoclass ( talk) 07:33, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
We only have one more update ready after this one. If anyone could manage to put together one or two, that would be appreciated. Gatoclass ( talk) 08:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
The more I look into it, the more I think the species originally identified in the image:Sticta ainoae.jpg pic is incorrect – it doesn't jive with the general description of the genus in the article (which is derived from material from a reputable source). However, the other image now in the article shown here
matches the genus description, and is of similar quality. Could someone kindly make this change (image and species name)? Sasata ( talk) 06:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
For the current Queue 1, please change Junmin Shenfenzheng to Jumin Shenfenzheng (the first is a redirect to the second). Thanks. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 09:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
That's how bad the backlog is getting. I'm trying my best to clean the lower level, but only so much I can do. We need more decision-makers on those bottom hooks. A 9-day backlog (I got it down to 7) is ridiculous. Wizardman 17:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)