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These don't work (or at least the first one), because the keywords need to be in caps,
not 'author=' but 'Author=' not 'title=' but 'Title='
and so on. I discovered this when I messed up the 'Sauces' page. :-(
I haven't corrected the templates here just yet (yes, I'm not being bold) because I don't quite understand the difference between 'Book reference', 'Book reference 2', and 'Book reference 3'.
DanielVonEhren 01:13, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Who wants to make a Template:Journal reference? dbenbenn | talk 14:25, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I just edited this template to make examples for citenewsauthor, citenews & citeencyclopedia follow the pattern of "what you type" actually yielding "what it makes". However, now the columns are really asymetrical, which is ugly, which makes me sad. I think the problem is the length of the url's, but I haven't the vaguest idea how to fix it. Please someone fix it (or revert?). Thanks Bubamara 11:08, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Instead of inserting url=[none]
for a missing URL, it is better to use url=http://
, which produces a NULL link, and does not wreck the formatting. I have amended the instructions accordingly. HTH HAND --
Phil |
Talk 15:38, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
I probably should have posted my book reference comment here. I don't have much experience with templates (I'm learning, though). Here are three points: (1) How can we standardize the citations even further so that all types have links to the year and consistent punctuation (like the parenthesis and periods in the beginning of most references)? (2) Also, a Google Print template would probably be a good addition. (3) In editing Kim Peek I found a need for a TV episode template. I used Citenews since it was the most applicable, but definitely not ideal. Can someone come up with a Cite episode template? -- J. J. 18:21, 2005 August 26 (UTC)
The new default parameter option allows missing parameters to be omitted. {{
web_reference_full}} has less than 50 links to it, and I converted it so all parameters except URL, Title, Date, and Year are optional. This should be able to replace the other templates, and eventually be renamed {{
web_reference}}. Anyone notice any problems? Below are tests. Only problem I'm aware of is a space before the period after Author when no PublishYear is provided; this is because I couldn't persuade template syntax to not swallow the space. (
SEWilco
15:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC))
Some templates are using capitalized parameters and some are using lowercase parameters. I suggest lowercase be the standard, following the conventions of using lowercase when it is not required. ( SEWilco 15:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC))
Template:Book reference has been updated so most parameters are optional. Now only "Title" is mandatory. ( SEWilco 04:37, 27 October 2005 (UTC))
I've adapted the Template:Journal reference for press releases, following the style described in Wikipedia:Cite sources/example style#Company press releases, but maybe more fields should be added. Also, I don't know much about those esoteric 'if' templates, please can anybody review the wikicode? For example, I want to remove the parameters 'First' and 'Authorlink', but how? Thanks a lot -- surueña 14:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
For the sake of consitency, I created a news reference templare: {{ news reference}} -- AzaToth talk 00:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi. The second entry type, journal article, doesn't seem to have any way to indicate the DOI. How to include the DOI in a journal reference? Robinh 09:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
{{Journal reference | Title = Some article or other | Journal = Some journal no-one ever reads | ID = {{doi|whatever}} }}
Dear Referencing team,
I am still not satisfied with the actual referencing style in Wikipedia. I think it is too inhomogen and unstructured to create really knowledge, and here is a solution I would like to have:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOI:shortcut The shortcut might be something like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOI:shortcut
Joerg Kurt Wegner 14:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Having fun getting my feet wet with these -- the templates work really well -- but I'm a Wikip newbie & so make the following suggestions in all innocence, as maybe you've discussed & rejected for good reasons before --
I suggest adding two fields to the above:
And I suggest three additional fields to the following,
-- the additions in this case,
-- none of these "(required)" but all to be just optional / if they can help... -- Kessler 21:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
The format for citing books that had an original publication date different than the edition cited isn't supported. [Wikipedia:Cite sources#Complete citations in a .22References.22 section] suggests this:
If you plugged this into the template it'd look like this:
{{
cite book}}
: Check date values in: |year=
(
help)or this.
{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (
link)Neither is particularly appealing, especially with "Authorlinks".
Interesting to note that the "Editor" field doesn't append "Ed." to the name. That's inconvenient, I think.
This has come up on Bahá'í literature where you can see how ugly this is. MARussellPESE 14:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
To try to work out some consistency issues I have created this subpage for parameter and usage info so that one can see the frequency used and some proposed changes will make more sense.
Make the table have this format. Also include an explanation at the top instructing users to click on the template for full list of parameters and additional instructions.
source | template (required fields) |
common usage | Example 1 article text |
Example 2 article text |
---|---|---|---|---|
books | {{
cite book}} Title |
{{cite book | last = | first = | authorlink = | coauthors = | year = | title = | publisher = | location = | doi = | id = }} |
{{cite book | last = Mumford | first = David | authorlink = David Mumford | year = 1999 | title = The Red Book of ... | publisher = [[Springer]] | doi = 10.1007/b62130 | ISBN = 354063293X }} Mumford, David (1999). The Red Book of ... Springer-Verlag. doi: 10.1007/b62130. ISBN 354063293X. |
{{cite book | last = Cordell | first = Bruce R. | coauthors = Jeff Grubb, David Yu | year = 2001 | month = September | title = [[Manual of the Planes]] | publisher = [[Wizards of the Coast]] | ISBN = 0-7869-1850-8 }} Cordell, Bruce R. (2001).
Manual of the Planes.
Wizards of the Coast.
ISBN
0-7869-1850-8. |
website |
{{
cite web}} Title |
{{cite web | last = | first = | authorlink = | date = | url = | title = | work = | format = | publisher = | accessdate = }} |
{{cite web | title = Frances Kelsey | work = Canada Heirloom Series | date = [[1986-02-05]] | url = http://collections.ic.gc.ca/... | publisher = Heirloom Publishing Inc. | accessdate = 2006-04-30 }}
"Frances Kelsey". Canada Heirloom Series. Heirloom Publishing Inc.
1986-02-05. Retrieved 2006-04-30. |
{{cite web | first = Rachel | last = Spiegel | url = http://science-education.nih.gov/... | title = Research in the News: Thalidomide | accessdate = 2006-04-30 }} Spiegel, Rachel. "Research in the News: Thalidomide". Retrieved 2006-04-30. |
etc... |
Please comment on the above proposed changes - thx in adv Trödel 02:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
As to the propoal, I support fully the proposed cite_strip and cite_comic proposed changes, as well as the {{ Editorial cartoon reference}} and {{ cite paper}} redirect (although cite paper could be kept for papers awaiting publication. These are often cited in academia.)
As for {{ cite newsgroup}}, it probably ought to be deprecated completely, and treated as any other external link.
A last thing might be useful: a {{ cite law}} thing for pieces of legislation (see Total dissolved solids, which involve one of these). Circeus 15:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Considering their are no objections after about 2 weeks, I am beginning implementation using the suggested table above. I will leave out any reference to {{ cite}}. Additionally, I will only make comment changes to the other {{cite xxx}} templates. -- Trödel 13:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there some reason this cite template is not on the template messages list? thx - Trödel 03:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Appears to be a fork of {{ cite video}} with more detailed variables. Circeus 15:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Devellopment on this potentialy useful template seems to have stopped. Maybe you could have a look into it? Circeus 01:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Is anyone working on a generic template for citing a blog entry? There has been a recent instance where something like this would have been useful. — Stevie is the man! Talk | Work 18:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
In re [1], I would recommend to show the examples using first,last instead of author. first,last should be preferred over author. See the doc of the mother of the citation templates: Template:Cite book. The author param is for backwards compatibility or newbie users as a fallback strategy. Citation wiki-professionals use first,last. -- Ligulem 16:42, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I would prefer to see first replaced with forename and last replaced surname to clarify the names of east Asian authors. -- Gerry Ashton 22:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
In trying to make these easier to use - especially for myself - I added a "Brief Instructions" column to the "mother of the citation templates,"(Ligulem. "first, last should be preferred over author,". - just playin') {{ cite book}}. see Template:cite book Any objections/comments -- Trödel 14:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
It seems dumb to me to have the variable booktitle be used for the name of the conference - I would think that conference would make more sense. -- Trödel 14:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
This has author not last, first - also seems like cite book could handle this completely fine. Is there a good reason that we can't use {{ cite book}} instead. If there is I will add last, first to the template. using author for now. FYI - paper was in use on about 400 pages as of mid-June. -- Trödel 14:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I have used the multi-line format for cites but was thinking of a couple of things. Below is an example of the cite template as it would appear in the edit box. I like the rightmost version (obviously) where the cite is ended on the same line as the last parameter, and the next piece of text begins on a new line of the edit window. This inserts a space in the text after the footnote number (or if an incline cite) after the "." of the cite. Using a double indent makes it easier to skip the cites and go to the next part of the text that is being edited.
_Way it is now_ ...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured ''[[America's Most Wanted]]''.<ref>{{cite web | last = Doe | first = John | title = Caught: Johnson | url = http://www.url.com | accessdate = 2006 }}</ref> On [[May 5]], [[2005]], the body was finally identified as '''Erica Michelle Maria ...''' |
_Compact version_ ...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured ''[[America's Most Wanted]]''.<ref>{{cite web |last=Doe |first=John |title=Caught: Johnson |url=http://www.url.com |accessdate=2006 }}</ref> On [[May 5]], [[2005]], the body was finally identified as '''Erica Michelle Maria ...''' |
_My Preference_ ...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured ''[[America's Most Wanted]]''.<ref>{{cite web | last = Doe | first = John | title = Caught: Johnson | url = http://www.url.com | accessdate = 2006 }}</ref> On [[May 5]], [[2005]], the body was finally identified as '''Erica Michelle Maria ...''' |
_Way it is now_ ...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured [[America's Most Wanted]]. [1] On May 5, 2005, the body was finally identified as Erica Michelle Maria ... |
_Compact version_ ...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured [[America's Most Wanted]]. [2] On May 5, 2005, the body was finally identified as Erica Michelle Maria ... |
_My Preference_ ...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured [[America's Most Wanted]]. [3] On May 5, 2005, the body was finally identified as Erica Michelle Maria ... |
I much prefer this to the inline cite method below - which I find very difficult to jump to the next word or sentence in the article.
...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured ''[[America's Most Wanted]]''.<ref>{{cite web |last= Doe |first= John |title= Caught: Johnson |url= http://www.url.com |accessdate= 2006 }} </ref> On [[May 5]], [[2005]], the body was finally identified as '''Erica Michelle Maria ...'''
Any thoughts? -- Trödel 17:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured ''[[America's Most Wanted]]''.<ref>{{ cite web | last = Doe | first = John | title = Caught: Johnson | url = http://www.url.com | accessdate = 2006 }}</ref> On [[May 5]], [[2005]], the body was finally identified as '''Erica Michelle Maria ...'''
comma after volume and before pages needs to be made optional -- Trödel 17:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
requires cite people - but about 75% of the cites I viewed off what links here do not have people assigned a value -- Trödel 18:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Pleae change that example. We already have {{ cite episode}} for tv series. Maybe change it for a television documentary instead? Circeus 02:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I have two TV-based interview projects I want to cite. One is an episode of a TV series which is a one-on-one interview in the Inside the Actor's Studio style; Another one is a Behind The Music documentary-type episode with interviews of many band members, associates, a naration, etc. What would be the proper citing for these projects? Each item would be used to cite various facts in an article. Thanks very much TheHYPO 06:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I would like to ask an admin to move this page and the associated talk page to Wikipedia:citation templates. I can't do that because the page already exists. Thanks. -- Ligulem 10:16, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Could we have a template for this please? See http://www.haverford.edu/classics/courses/omni/citations.html for things required.
May I please have a citation template for AECs?-- Rockero 17:52, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Suppose I have a citation (let's say a journal) with two authors. According to the template, I will write something like,
| last = Bak | first = P. | coauthors = Paczuski, M.
(This is a real example from the page on Self-organized criticality that I'm editing.)
So, as output, this produces, "Bak, P., Paczuski, M., ...." — no "and" in-between the authors. If I put in the "and" manually,
| last = Bak | first = P. | coauthors = and Paczuski, M.
I get, "Bak, P., and Paczuski, M., ...." — which is grammatically incorrect since it adds a comma before the and (incorrect even for US English, since here there are only two authors).
Is there any way of getting what I want, which is, "Bak, P. and Paczuski, M. ....", automatically? If not, maybe some sort of correction should be put in the citation template system. Currently I've settled for the compromise of having no "ands" in the author list, but I don't want to keep that. — WebDrake 19:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Do most of the cite templates mentioned in this project page attempt to follow any particular style manual? So far, it appears they come close to the APA style. -- Gerry Ashton 22:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
What is the most appropriate template for citing magazines? (Or does one need to be modified or created to accomodate magazines?) Cite journal has volume and issue parameters, values that many magazines use. But it says it is intended for "academic" journals. Cite news is less "academic", which suits magazines, but lacks the volume and issue parameters (and it is strange to call magazines "news"). Punctured Bicycle 23:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Classical CD-booklets tend to be rather thick and full of information, what would be the most appropriate citation template for them? 194.144.188.198 11:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
JonAwbrey recently reverted to a "long standing version" that allegedly says that citation templates are not recommended. First, this supposeldy "long standing version" dates from SlimVirgin's edits of 1 August, which are not long-standing in my book. We discussed this at WP:CITE at the time and I thought had come to an understanding. Apparently SlimVirgin did not see fit to change things in other places. This is therefore disputed, and if you are to revert to anything it should be to the July 27 version. I therefore ask JonAwbrey to self-revert. Gimmetrow 04:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
"There is no recommendation..." has similar problems. Gimmetrow 05:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I am urgently in need of a citation template for creating specific cites to particular paragraphs of technical standards, technical regulations, etc. None of the existing templates (that I've found) seems suitable or adaptable for the task. Will someone kindly please point me to where I can learn the process of writing or formally requesting such a template? I am happy to go into detail as to what is needed, if anyone would like to help. Thanks, -- Scheinwerfermann 04:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
{{cite paper | author = | title = | version = | publisher = | date = | url = | format = | accessdate = }}
I would want to have fields along these lines:
{{cite techreg | agency = '''(mandatory)''' | standard = '''(mandatory unless "title" specified)''' | title = '''(mandatory unless "standard" specified)''' | shortref = | version = '''(mandatory unless "date" specified)''' | date = | paragraph = '''(mandatory unless "figure" specified)''' | figure = '''(mandatory unless "paragraph" specified)''' | url = | format = | accessdate = }}
such that when filled out like this:
{{cite techreg | agency = Transport Canada | standard = Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108.1 | title = Alternative Requirements for Motor Vehicle Headlamps | shortref = CMVSS No. 108.1 | version = | date = 10/05 | paragraph = 2.1.4 | figure = | url = http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/m/mvsa/regulations/mvsrg/100/mvsr108_1.html | format = online | accessdate = 2006-08-16 }}
it would generate something along the lines of this:
Transport Canada: CMVSS No. 108.1 (Alternative Requirements for Motor Vehicle Headlamps) 10/05, ¶2.1.4, online. Accessed 2006-08-16
Or, for a second example:
{{cite techreg | agency = UNECE | standard = ECE Regulation 112 | title = Motor Vehicle Headlamps Emitting a Driving Beam or a Passing Beam or Both and Equipped with Filament Lamps | shortref = ECE R112 | version = R4A1 | date = | paragraph = | figure = 3.3 | url = http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r112e.pdf | format = pdf | accessdate = 2006-08-16 }}
producing:
UNECE: ECE R112 (Motor Vehicle Headlamps Emitting a Driving Beam or a Passing Beam or Both and Equipped with Filament Lamps) R4A1, fig. 3.3, PDF. Accessed 2006-08-16
Can anyone kindly assist me in creating such a template?
Thanks.
-- Scheinwerfermann 04:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Books can be very long and adding page numbers can be extremely useful for someone looking for precise information (indexes aren't always present or helpful). For this reason I attempted to add a "|pages=", but this does not display and I cannot fix it. I assume that this may be a software bug which someone watching this page can fix. I really think that books should cite pages. -- Ben Best 07:58, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it OK for me to edit the project page and add my own Harvard templates? Examples of them in use are here. Will add them to page if no one objects in a day or two. Thanks -- Ling.Nut 15:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
It would be nice to have a template for patents, e.g. patent number, authors, company (if any), when granted, etc. Jpaulm 15:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I've made three in-text citation templates, but my position on the issue of citation templates in general has evolved. The more I delve into the issue, the more I think that creating citation templates for the text portion of an article is a Bad Thing, and templates for the References section should be standardized to a relatively small (here I'm thinking a dozen or so, not two or three) set of options:
-- Ling.Nut 20:01, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Anyone have any advice for citing radio shows/interviews? --- 164.107.252.198 19:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey, If I want to cite a subscription service for newspaper articles ( NewsBank), would I use the {{cite news}} template? If so, would I include the url to the article on the subscription service, or would I act as if it was a print source and not include the url (since probably not many people can access it since most people don't have a subscription)?
Thanks! -- Darkdan 22:22, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I think it might be good to have a {{ Cite hansard}} for citing, well, Hansard. Would take house, url, date, column - possibly generalise to legislatures whose reports aren't called Hansard. Hansard doesn't fit any of the existing templates well because it doesn't have page numbers, but column numbers. Morwen - Talk 10:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, can someone guide me to the right template to be used for streaming media? Thanks -- Lost (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
{{
cite web}}
: Check date values in: |accessdate=
(
help)
{{
cite web}}
: Check date values in: |accessdate=
(
help)
{{
cite web}}
: Check date values in: |accessdate=
(
help)
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Archives: Jan 2005 - Sep 2006
These don't work (or at least the first one), because the keywords need to be in caps,
not 'author=' but 'Author=' not 'title=' but 'Title='
and so on. I discovered this when I messed up the 'Sauces' page. :-(
I haven't corrected the templates here just yet (yes, I'm not being bold) because I don't quite understand the difference between 'Book reference', 'Book reference 2', and 'Book reference 3'.
DanielVonEhren 01:13, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Who wants to make a Template:Journal reference? dbenbenn | talk 14:25, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I just edited this template to make examples for citenewsauthor, citenews & citeencyclopedia follow the pattern of "what you type" actually yielding "what it makes". However, now the columns are really asymetrical, which is ugly, which makes me sad. I think the problem is the length of the url's, but I haven't the vaguest idea how to fix it. Please someone fix it (or revert?). Thanks Bubamara 11:08, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Instead of inserting url=[none]
for a missing URL, it is better to use url=http://
, which produces a NULL link, and does not wreck the formatting. I have amended the instructions accordingly. HTH HAND --
Phil |
Talk 15:38, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
I probably should have posted my book reference comment here. I don't have much experience with templates (I'm learning, though). Here are three points: (1) How can we standardize the citations even further so that all types have links to the year and consistent punctuation (like the parenthesis and periods in the beginning of most references)? (2) Also, a Google Print template would probably be a good addition. (3) In editing Kim Peek I found a need for a TV episode template. I used Citenews since it was the most applicable, but definitely not ideal. Can someone come up with a Cite episode template? -- J. J. 18:21, 2005 August 26 (UTC)
The new default parameter option allows missing parameters to be omitted. {{
web_reference_full}} has less than 50 links to it, and I converted it so all parameters except URL, Title, Date, and Year are optional. This should be able to replace the other templates, and eventually be renamed {{
web_reference}}. Anyone notice any problems? Below are tests. Only problem I'm aware of is a space before the period after Author when no PublishYear is provided; this is because I couldn't persuade template syntax to not swallow the space. (
SEWilco
15:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC))
Some templates are using capitalized parameters and some are using lowercase parameters. I suggest lowercase be the standard, following the conventions of using lowercase when it is not required. ( SEWilco 15:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC))
Template:Book reference has been updated so most parameters are optional. Now only "Title" is mandatory. ( SEWilco 04:37, 27 October 2005 (UTC))
I've adapted the Template:Journal reference for press releases, following the style described in Wikipedia:Cite sources/example style#Company press releases, but maybe more fields should be added. Also, I don't know much about those esoteric 'if' templates, please can anybody review the wikicode? For example, I want to remove the parameters 'First' and 'Authorlink', but how? Thanks a lot -- surueña 14:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
For the sake of consitency, I created a news reference templare: {{ news reference}} -- AzaToth talk 00:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi. The second entry type, journal article, doesn't seem to have any way to indicate the DOI. How to include the DOI in a journal reference? Robinh 09:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
{{Journal reference | Title = Some article or other | Journal = Some journal no-one ever reads | ID = {{doi|whatever}} }}
Dear Referencing team,
I am still not satisfied with the actual referencing style in Wikipedia. I think it is too inhomogen and unstructured to create really knowledge, and here is a solution I would like to have:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOI:shortcut The shortcut might be something like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOI:shortcut
Joerg Kurt Wegner 14:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Having fun getting my feet wet with these -- the templates work really well -- but I'm a Wikip newbie & so make the following suggestions in all innocence, as maybe you've discussed & rejected for good reasons before --
I suggest adding two fields to the above:
And I suggest three additional fields to the following,
-- the additions in this case,
-- none of these "(required)" but all to be just optional / if they can help... -- Kessler 21:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
The format for citing books that had an original publication date different than the edition cited isn't supported. [Wikipedia:Cite sources#Complete citations in a .22References.22 section] suggests this:
If you plugged this into the template it'd look like this:
{{
cite book}}
: Check date values in: |year=
(
help)or this.
{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (
link)Neither is particularly appealing, especially with "Authorlinks".
Interesting to note that the "Editor" field doesn't append "Ed." to the name. That's inconvenient, I think.
This has come up on Bahá'í literature where you can see how ugly this is. MARussellPESE 14:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
To try to work out some consistency issues I have created this subpage for parameter and usage info so that one can see the frequency used and some proposed changes will make more sense.
Make the table have this format. Also include an explanation at the top instructing users to click on the template for full list of parameters and additional instructions.
source | template (required fields) |
common usage | Example 1 article text |
Example 2 article text |
---|---|---|---|---|
books | {{
cite book}} Title |
{{cite book | last = | first = | authorlink = | coauthors = | year = | title = | publisher = | location = | doi = | id = }} |
{{cite book | last = Mumford | first = David | authorlink = David Mumford | year = 1999 | title = The Red Book of ... | publisher = [[Springer]] | doi = 10.1007/b62130 | ISBN = 354063293X }} Mumford, David (1999). The Red Book of ... Springer-Verlag. doi: 10.1007/b62130. ISBN 354063293X. |
{{cite book | last = Cordell | first = Bruce R. | coauthors = Jeff Grubb, David Yu | year = 2001 | month = September | title = [[Manual of the Planes]] | publisher = [[Wizards of the Coast]] | ISBN = 0-7869-1850-8 }} Cordell, Bruce R. (2001).
Manual of the Planes.
Wizards of the Coast.
ISBN
0-7869-1850-8. |
website |
{{
cite web}} Title |
{{cite web | last = | first = | authorlink = | date = | url = | title = | work = | format = | publisher = | accessdate = }} |
{{cite web | title = Frances Kelsey | work = Canada Heirloom Series | date = [[1986-02-05]] | url = http://collections.ic.gc.ca/... | publisher = Heirloom Publishing Inc. | accessdate = 2006-04-30 }}
"Frances Kelsey". Canada Heirloom Series. Heirloom Publishing Inc.
1986-02-05. Retrieved 2006-04-30. |
{{cite web | first = Rachel | last = Spiegel | url = http://science-education.nih.gov/... | title = Research in the News: Thalidomide | accessdate = 2006-04-30 }} Spiegel, Rachel. "Research in the News: Thalidomide". Retrieved 2006-04-30. |
etc... |
Please comment on the above proposed changes - thx in adv Trödel 02:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
As to the propoal, I support fully the proposed cite_strip and cite_comic proposed changes, as well as the {{ Editorial cartoon reference}} and {{ cite paper}} redirect (although cite paper could be kept for papers awaiting publication. These are often cited in academia.)
As for {{ cite newsgroup}}, it probably ought to be deprecated completely, and treated as any other external link.
A last thing might be useful: a {{ cite law}} thing for pieces of legislation (see Total dissolved solids, which involve one of these). Circeus 15:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Considering their are no objections after about 2 weeks, I am beginning implementation using the suggested table above. I will leave out any reference to {{ cite}}. Additionally, I will only make comment changes to the other {{cite xxx}} templates. -- Trödel 13:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there some reason this cite template is not on the template messages list? thx - Trödel 03:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Appears to be a fork of {{ cite video}} with more detailed variables. Circeus 15:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Devellopment on this potentialy useful template seems to have stopped. Maybe you could have a look into it? Circeus 01:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Is anyone working on a generic template for citing a blog entry? There has been a recent instance where something like this would have been useful. — Stevie is the man! Talk | Work 18:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
In re [1], I would recommend to show the examples using first,last instead of author. first,last should be preferred over author. See the doc of the mother of the citation templates: Template:Cite book. The author param is for backwards compatibility or newbie users as a fallback strategy. Citation wiki-professionals use first,last. -- Ligulem 16:42, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I would prefer to see first replaced with forename and last replaced surname to clarify the names of east Asian authors. -- Gerry Ashton 22:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
In trying to make these easier to use - especially for myself - I added a "Brief Instructions" column to the "mother of the citation templates,"(Ligulem. "first, last should be preferred over author,". - just playin') {{ cite book}}. see Template:cite book Any objections/comments -- Trödel 14:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
It seems dumb to me to have the variable booktitle be used for the name of the conference - I would think that conference would make more sense. -- Trödel 14:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
This has author not last, first - also seems like cite book could handle this completely fine. Is there a good reason that we can't use {{ cite book}} instead. If there is I will add last, first to the template. using author for now. FYI - paper was in use on about 400 pages as of mid-June. -- Trödel 14:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I have used the multi-line format for cites but was thinking of a couple of things. Below is an example of the cite template as it would appear in the edit box. I like the rightmost version (obviously) where the cite is ended on the same line as the last parameter, and the next piece of text begins on a new line of the edit window. This inserts a space in the text after the footnote number (or if an incline cite) after the "." of the cite. Using a double indent makes it easier to skip the cites and go to the next part of the text that is being edited.
_Way it is now_ ...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured ''[[America's Most Wanted]]''.<ref>{{cite web | last = Doe | first = John | title = Caught: Johnson | url = http://www.url.com | accessdate = 2006 }}</ref> On [[May 5]], [[2005]], the body was finally identified as '''Erica Michelle Maria ...''' |
_Compact version_ ...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured ''[[America's Most Wanted]]''.<ref>{{cite web |last=Doe |first=John |title=Caught: Johnson |url=http://www.url.com |accessdate=2006 }}</ref> On [[May 5]], [[2005]], the body was finally identified as '''Erica Michelle Maria ...''' |
_My Preference_ ...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured ''[[America's Most Wanted]]''.<ref>{{cite web | last = Doe | first = John | title = Caught: Johnson | url = http://www.url.com | accessdate = 2006 }}</ref> On [[May 5]], [[2005]], the body was finally identified as '''Erica Michelle Maria ...''' |
_Way it is now_ ...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured [[America's Most Wanted]]. [1] On May 5, 2005, the body was finally identified as Erica Michelle Maria ... |
_Compact version_ ...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured [[America's Most Wanted]]. [2] On May 5, 2005, the body was finally identified as Erica Michelle Maria ... |
_My Preference_ ...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured [[America's Most Wanted]]. [3] On May 5, 2005, the body was finally identified as Erica Michelle Maria ... |
I much prefer this to the inline cite method below - which I find very difficult to jump to the next word or sentence in the article.
...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured ''[[America's Most Wanted]]''.<ref>{{cite web |last= Doe |first= John |title= Caught: Johnson |url= http://www.url.com |accessdate= 2006 }} </ref> On [[May 5]], [[2005]], the body was finally identified as '''Erica Michelle Maria ...'''
Any thoughts? -- Trödel 17:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
...for such a length of time, sparked national interest and was featured ''[[America's Most Wanted]]''.<ref>{{ cite web | last = Doe | first = John | title = Caught: Johnson | url = http://www.url.com | accessdate = 2006 }}</ref> On [[May 5]], [[2005]], the body was finally identified as '''Erica Michelle Maria ...'''
comma after volume and before pages needs to be made optional -- Trödel 17:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
requires cite people - but about 75% of the cites I viewed off what links here do not have people assigned a value -- Trödel 18:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Pleae change that example. We already have {{ cite episode}} for tv series. Maybe change it for a television documentary instead? Circeus 02:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I have two TV-based interview projects I want to cite. One is an episode of a TV series which is a one-on-one interview in the Inside the Actor's Studio style; Another one is a Behind The Music documentary-type episode with interviews of many band members, associates, a naration, etc. What would be the proper citing for these projects? Each item would be used to cite various facts in an article. Thanks very much TheHYPO 06:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I would like to ask an admin to move this page and the associated talk page to Wikipedia:citation templates. I can't do that because the page already exists. Thanks. -- Ligulem 10:16, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Could we have a template for this please? See http://www.haverford.edu/classics/courses/omni/citations.html for things required.
May I please have a citation template for AECs?-- Rockero 17:52, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Suppose I have a citation (let's say a journal) with two authors. According to the template, I will write something like,
| last = Bak | first = P. | coauthors = Paczuski, M.
(This is a real example from the page on Self-organized criticality that I'm editing.)
So, as output, this produces, "Bak, P., Paczuski, M., ...." — no "and" in-between the authors. If I put in the "and" manually,
| last = Bak | first = P. | coauthors = and Paczuski, M.
I get, "Bak, P., and Paczuski, M., ...." — which is grammatically incorrect since it adds a comma before the and (incorrect even for US English, since here there are only two authors).
Is there any way of getting what I want, which is, "Bak, P. and Paczuski, M. ....", automatically? If not, maybe some sort of correction should be put in the citation template system. Currently I've settled for the compromise of having no "ands" in the author list, but I don't want to keep that. — WebDrake 19:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Do most of the cite templates mentioned in this project page attempt to follow any particular style manual? So far, it appears they come close to the APA style. -- Gerry Ashton 22:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
What is the most appropriate template for citing magazines? (Or does one need to be modified or created to accomodate magazines?) Cite journal has volume and issue parameters, values that many magazines use. But it says it is intended for "academic" journals. Cite news is less "academic", which suits magazines, but lacks the volume and issue parameters (and it is strange to call magazines "news"). Punctured Bicycle 23:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Classical CD-booklets tend to be rather thick and full of information, what would be the most appropriate citation template for them? 194.144.188.198 11:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
JonAwbrey recently reverted to a "long standing version" that allegedly says that citation templates are not recommended. First, this supposeldy "long standing version" dates from SlimVirgin's edits of 1 August, which are not long-standing in my book. We discussed this at WP:CITE at the time and I thought had come to an understanding. Apparently SlimVirgin did not see fit to change things in other places. This is therefore disputed, and if you are to revert to anything it should be to the July 27 version. I therefore ask JonAwbrey to self-revert. Gimmetrow 04:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
"There is no recommendation..." has similar problems. Gimmetrow 05:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I am urgently in need of a citation template for creating specific cites to particular paragraphs of technical standards, technical regulations, etc. None of the existing templates (that I've found) seems suitable or adaptable for the task. Will someone kindly please point me to where I can learn the process of writing or formally requesting such a template? I am happy to go into detail as to what is needed, if anyone would like to help. Thanks, -- Scheinwerfermann 04:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
{{cite paper | author = | title = | version = | publisher = | date = | url = | format = | accessdate = }}
I would want to have fields along these lines:
{{cite techreg | agency = '''(mandatory)''' | standard = '''(mandatory unless "title" specified)''' | title = '''(mandatory unless "standard" specified)''' | shortref = | version = '''(mandatory unless "date" specified)''' | date = | paragraph = '''(mandatory unless "figure" specified)''' | figure = '''(mandatory unless "paragraph" specified)''' | url = | format = | accessdate = }}
such that when filled out like this:
{{cite techreg | agency = Transport Canada | standard = Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108.1 | title = Alternative Requirements for Motor Vehicle Headlamps | shortref = CMVSS No. 108.1 | version = | date = 10/05 | paragraph = 2.1.4 | figure = | url = http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/m/mvsa/regulations/mvsrg/100/mvsr108_1.html | format = online | accessdate = 2006-08-16 }}
it would generate something along the lines of this:
Transport Canada: CMVSS No. 108.1 (Alternative Requirements for Motor Vehicle Headlamps) 10/05, ¶2.1.4, online. Accessed 2006-08-16
Or, for a second example:
{{cite techreg | agency = UNECE | standard = ECE Regulation 112 | title = Motor Vehicle Headlamps Emitting a Driving Beam or a Passing Beam or Both and Equipped with Filament Lamps | shortref = ECE R112 | version = R4A1 | date = | paragraph = | figure = 3.3 | url = http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r112e.pdf | format = pdf | accessdate = 2006-08-16 }}
producing:
UNECE: ECE R112 (Motor Vehicle Headlamps Emitting a Driving Beam or a Passing Beam or Both and Equipped with Filament Lamps) R4A1, fig. 3.3, PDF. Accessed 2006-08-16
Can anyone kindly assist me in creating such a template?
Thanks.
-- Scheinwerfermann 04:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Books can be very long and adding page numbers can be extremely useful for someone looking for precise information (indexes aren't always present or helpful). For this reason I attempted to add a "|pages=", but this does not display and I cannot fix it. I assume that this may be a software bug which someone watching this page can fix. I really think that books should cite pages. -- Ben Best 07:58, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it OK for me to edit the project page and add my own Harvard templates? Examples of them in use are here. Will add them to page if no one objects in a day or two. Thanks -- Ling.Nut 15:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
It would be nice to have a template for patents, e.g. patent number, authors, company (if any), when granted, etc. Jpaulm 15:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I've made three in-text citation templates, but my position on the issue of citation templates in general has evolved. The more I delve into the issue, the more I think that creating citation templates for the text portion of an article is a Bad Thing, and templates for the References section should be standardized to a relatively small (here I'm thinking a dozen or so, not two or three) set of options:
-- Ling.Nut 20:01, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Anyone have any advice for citing radio shows/interviews? --- 164.107.252.198 19:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey, If I want to cite a subscription service for newspaper articles ( NewsBank), would I use the {{cite news}} template? If so, would I include the url to the article on the subscription service, or would I act as if it was a print source and not include the url (since probably not many people can access it since most people don't have a subscription)?
Thanks! -- Darkdan 22:22, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I think it might be good to have a {{ Cite hansard}} for citing, well, Hansard. Would take house, url, date, column - possibly generalise to legislatures whose reports aren't called Hansard. Hansard doesn't fit any of the existing templates well because it doesn't have page numbers, but column numbers. Morwen - Talk 10:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, can someone guide me to the right template to be used for streaming media? Thanks -- Lost (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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