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Short descriptions
I have seen many drafts created by new editors have bad short descriptions, for example Special:Diff/1193700771 or Special:Diff/1193737001 - may I ask what wording is used in the article wizard? Maybe it could be improved? Sungodtemple ( talk • contribs) 14:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- It's not the Wizard, actually, it's the
Submit helper script. The
specific wording on the Short description box is
Briefly describe the subject in 2–5 words (eg. "British astronomer", "Cricket stadium in India")
. In other words, people can't read, pay attention, and/or follow directions. Primefac ( talk) 14:29, 5 January 2024 (UTC)- Yes, people can't read, but also, we open the door to this when we given them insufficient guidance. Ideally, we'd want this to work similarly to WP:SDHELPER, where a warning is provided for anything longer than 40 characters and a stronger warning for anything longer than 60.
- I've added some details to
User:Sdkb/Vision for a better Article Wizard related to this. {{u|
Sdkb}}
talk
19:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- There's a helptip which suggest to avoid going beyond 40 characters, and also a hard limit of 100 characters (beyond which you can't type further). We could reduce the hard limit if desired. –
SD0001 (
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06:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- 100 characters is also the current cutoff for Category:Articles with long short description, so having that be synced with the hard limit seems appropriate. A static helptip is much less noticeable (and therefore less useful) than one that appears when you go over the 40-character limit and gets stronger when you go over the 60-character limit. {{u| Sdkb}} talk 07:05, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- There's a helptip which suggest to avoid going beyond 40 characters, and also a hard limit of 100 characters (beyond which you can't type further). We could reduce the hard limit if desired. –
SD0001 (
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06:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Buttons
The button placement in the wizard is not standardised throughout, and rather than implement what I think is the appropriate method (e.g. personally I find Special:Permalink/1031738356 more appealing than Special:Permalink/1223709924), I figured I'd get a discussion going on the matter.
For example:
- Wikipedia:Article_wizard has a (now) centred set of buttons
- Wikipedia:Article_wizard/COIEditingGuidelines has a left-aligned set of buttons
Traversing the various paths of the Wizard's tree, it looks like we're about 50/50 for the alignment options. There are also colour variations between grey/blue but those are a bit easier to straighten out.
I'm also going to ping Oshwah and Sdkb mainly because they've been involved in the last 24 hours in button-futzing. Primefac ( talk) 11:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for opening a discussion, Primefac (and I agree with your implicit point that a discussion might have been useful pre-futzing). I concur with you that left-aligned looks better than center-aligned.
Sdkb
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17:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- I personally prefer centered buttons, simply because it's mostly "standardized" (think message boxes, Windows notifications, wizards, etc). Left-justified just feels... unfinished to me. And I agree; thank you Primefac for starting this discussion. The most important thing is to come to a consensus; it doesn't matter who's "preferred method" ends up being used as a result. :-) ~Oshwah~ (talk) (contribs) 19:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
broken link
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Wikipedia talk:Article wizard/CreateDraftthe link to create a draft seems to be broken if using the mobile app. B2BattleDroid ( talk) 03:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Short descriptions
I have seen many drafts created by new editors have bad short descriptions, for example Special:Diff/1193700771 or Special:Diff/1193737001 - may I ask what wording is used in the article wizard? Maybe it could be improved? Sungodtemple ( talk • contribs) 14:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- It's not the Wizard, actually, it's the
Submit helper script. The
specific wording on the Short description box is
Briefly describe the subject in 2–5 words (eg. "British astronomer", "Cricket stadium in India")
. In other words, people can't read, pay attention, and/or follow directions. Primefac ( talk) 14:29, 5 January 2024 (UTC)- Yes, people can't read, but also, we open the door to this when we given them insufficient guidance. Ideally, we'd want this to work similarly to WP:SDHELPER, where a warning is provided for anything longer than 40 characters and a stronger warning for anything longer than 60.
- I've added some details to
User:Sdkb/Vision for a better Article Wizard related to this. {{u|
Sdkb}}
talk
19:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- There's a helptip which suggest to avoid going beyond 40 characters, and also a hard limit of 100 characters (beyond which you can't type further). We could reduce the hard limit if desired. –
SD0001 (
talk)
06:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- 100 characters is also the current cutoff for Category:Articles with long short description, so having that be synced with the hard limit seems appropriate. A static helptip is much less noticeable (and therefore less useful) than one that appears when you go over the 40-character limit and gets stronger when you go over the 60-character limit. {{u| Sdkb}} talk 07:05, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- There's a helptip which suggest to avoid going beyond 40 characters, and also a hard limit of 100 characters (beyond which you can't type further). We could reduce the hard limit if desired. –
SD0001 (
talk)
06:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Buttons
The button placement in the wizard is not standardised throughout, and rather than implement what I think is the appropriate method (e.g. personally I find Special:Permalink/1031738356 more appealing than Special:Permalink/1223709924), I figured I'd get a discussion going on the matter.
For example:
- Wikipedia:Article_wizard has a (now) centred set of buttons
- Wikipedia:Article_wizard/COIEditingGuidelines has a left-aligned set of buttons
Traversing the various paths of the Wizard's tree, it looks like we're about 50/50 for the alignment options. There are also colour variations between grey/blue but those are a bit easier to straighten out.
I'm also going to ping Oshwah and Sdkb mainly because they've been involved in the last 24 hours in button-futzing. Primefac ( talk) 11:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for opening a discussion, Primefac (and I agree with your implicit point that a discussion might have been useful pre-futzing). I concur with you that left-aligned looks better than center-aligned.
Sdkb
talk
17:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- I personally prefer centered buttons, simply because it's mostly "standardized" (think message boxes, Windows notifications, wizards, etc). Left-justified just feels... unfinished to me. And I agree; thank you Primefac for starting this discussion. The most important thing is to come to a consensus; it doesn't matter who's "preferred method" ends up being used as a result. :-) ~Oshwah~ (talk) (contribs) 19:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
broken link
Moved from
Wikipedia talk:Article wizard/CreateDraftthe link to create a draft seems to be broken if using the mobile app. B2BattleDroid ( talk) 03:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)