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The Cirrus and Hermes ranges of engines were produced by a series of manufactures, most of whom continued earlier variants while introducing new ones. They are currently summarised at ADC Cirrus#Variants.
A few have their own articles, most do not. Some of those articles names are, or may be, inappropriate. If we adhere strictly to the Company-Model-Variant (CMV) article naming convention, Some of these article titles are, or would be, clumsy. Following WP:NCAIR, they should be simplified to more common and intuitive titles.
Here are the existing engine articles, together with my suggestions for improvement:
We also have an out-of place company article, Cirrus Aero-Engines, which covers much the same ground as the middle part of the ADC Cirrus article but has a bad title. Cirrus Aero Engines Limited operated from the same address as ADC and lasted only 2 1/2 years; I am unsure if it was a subsidiary of ADC or not. The independent Cirrus-Hermes Engineering Company Limited set up shop at Croydon, lasted over twice as long and introduced many more models. When Blackburn first took it over it moved to their site at Brough and dropped the hyphen. later it was subsumed into the parent Blackburn Aircraft Limited as a separate operating division. So, which Cirrus companies/subsidiaries/divisions should have their own articles and which should be subsumed into other company articles? My best suggestion at the moment would be:
Does all this seem a reasonable way forward? — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 11:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
The ADC Cirrus article currently covers the whole range of "Cirrus" engines. As I have filled it out I have found that sources tend to describe them according to the manufacturer in focus at the time, there is no definitive usage between say "ADC Cirrus" vs. "Blackburn Cirrus" and under Cirrus-Hermes they tend to be referred to simply as the Cirrus. I am coming to think that the actual ADC products, the ADC Cirrus I, II and III, should be the only subject covered under this title, and the present overview content moved to say Cirrus aero engines. Off hand I can't think of any other engine range that has been kicked about and developed so much between manufacturers but kept its unique identity throughout. Do we have a precedent on how we treat such situations? — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 11:49, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
In the end I copied the multi-company content of ADC Cirrus across, which was mostly added by me anyway, and re-purposed it as the Cirrus aero engines article, then cut down the ADC Cirrus to just that engine. Technically bad protocol but saved a lot of faffing with RfCs and edit logs. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 11:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Happy New Year! Looking through Lancia Tipo 4 which needed some love I noticed it was sourced to the Old Machine Press website. This was listed at WP:ENGSPS around 2013 but the site owner (William Pearce) has had three specialist aero engine books published, one in 2012, one in 2018 and as joint author one in 2019.
The first two books are published by Old Machine Press (William Pearce) and the last by Specialty Press.
Using the website as a reliable source would open up very useful information, I would say that the last book is not self-published so he now qualifies as a reliable source. Thumbs up or thumbs down?! Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 16:38, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
An editor has just reverted cited content, apparently on the grounds that it is not the aspect they are personally interested in. More eyes/comments would be welcome at Talk:Two-stroke diesel engine#Special:Diff/1035300967. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 18:02, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Almost 13 years since creation of this task force. Has been pretty quiet in here this year. I just chanced upon counter-rotating propellers, not in good shape, the single citation relates to contra-rotating propellers. Perhaps the hatnote needs bolding?!! All good fun, cheers. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 19:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
I have nominated CFM International CFM56 for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 ( talk) 18:23, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing
WikiProject Aircraft/Engines and anything related to its purposes and tasks. |
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![]() | Aviation: Engines Project‑class | |||||||||
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Archive 1 - Dec 2008 - Jul 2009 |
This page has archives. Sections older than 31 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III. |
The Cirrus and Hermes ranges of engines were produced by a series of manufactures, most of whom continued earlier variants while introducing new ones. They are currently summarised at ADC Cirrus#Variants.
A few have their own articles, most do not. Some of those articles names are, or may be, inappropriate. If we adhere strictly to the Company-Model-Variant (CMV) article naming convention, Some of these article titles are, or would be, clumsy. Following WP:NCAIR, they should be simplified to more common and intuitive titles.
Here are the existing engine articles, together with my suggestions for improvement:
We also have an out-of place company article, Cirrus Aero-Engines, which covers much the same ground as the middle part of the ADC Cirrus article but has a bad title. Cirrus Aero Engines Limited operated from the same address as ADC and lasted only 2 1/2 years; I am unsure if it was a subsidiary of ADC or not. The independent Cirrus-Hermes Engineering Company Limited set up shop at Croydon, lasted over twice as long and introduced many more models. When Blackburn first took it over it moved to their site at Brough and dropped the hyphen. later it was subsumed into the parent Blackburn Aircraft Limited as a separate operating division. So, which Cirrus companies/subsidiaries/divisions should have their own articles and which should be subsumed into other company articles? My best suggestion at the moment would be:
Does all this seem a reasonable way forward? — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 11:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
The ADC Cirrus article currently covers the whole range of "Cirrus" engines. As I have filled it out I have found that sources tend to describe them according to the manufacturer in focus at the time, there is no definitive usage between say "ADC Cirrus" vs. "Blackburn Cirrus" and under Cirrus-Hermes they tend to be referred to simply as the Cirrus. I am coming to think that the actual ADC products, the ADC Cirrus I, II and III, should be the only subject covered under this title, and the present overview content moved to say Cirrus aero engines. Off hand I can't think of any other engine range that has been kicked about and developed so much between manufacturers but kept its unique identity throughout. Do we have a precedent on how we treat such situations? — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 11:49, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
In the end I copied the multi-company content of ADC Cirrus across, which was mostly added by me anyway, and re-purposed it as the Cirrus aero engines article, then cut down the ADC Cirrus to just that engine. Technically bad protocol but saved a lot of faffing with RfCs and edit logs. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 11:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Happy New Year! Looking through Lancia Tipo 4 which needed some love I noticed it was sourced to the Old Machine Press website. This was listed at WP:ENGSPS around 2013 but the site owner (William Pearce) has had three specialist aero engine books published, one in 2012, one in 2018 and as joint author one in 2019.
The first two books are published by Old Machine Press (William Pearce) and the last by Specialty Press.
Using the website as a reliable source would open up very useful information, I would say that the last book is not self-published so he now qualifies as a reliable source. Thumbs up or thumbs down?! Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 16:38, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
An editor has just reverted cited content, apparently on the grounds that it is not the aspect they are personally interested in. More eyes/comments would be welcome at Talk:Two-stroke diesel engine#Special:Diff/1035300967. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 18:02, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Almost 13 years since creation of this task force. Has been pretty quiet in here this year. I just chanced upon counter-rotating propellers, not in good shape, the single citation relates to contra-rotating propellers. Perhaps the hatnote needs bolding?!! All good fun, cheers. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 19:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
I have nominated CFM International CFM56 for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 ( talk) 18:23, 27 May 2023 (UTC)