This would be very handy for the 96 relevant stubs in {{ Germany-bio-stub}} and the 200+ waiting to be reassigned in {{ Noble-stub}} and subdivisions, on the same basis as the equivalents for UK, France and Poland. Staffelde 20:32, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
The category has now 576 articles. Would it be best to move some of these articles that are related to history to a new {{ China-hist-stub}}? — Insta ntnood 15:52, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
{{ Poland-geo-stub}} has over 800 entries. I think we need to create {{ Poland-struct-stub}} and some administrative divisions (by Polish voivodships, perhaps?). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Frankly speaking I don't see a need to further disambiguate stub templates. After all they are but a message that there's work to do. And the hint should be that the work to do is on the article, not on the stub message. After all what we should focus on is to limit the number of stubs, not number of stub messages in certain category. Halibu tt 01:03, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
The Illinois-geo-stub category has over 100 entries in it now, more than half or which are in Chicago. Would be easier to get Chicago folks to contribute if the stubs were more specific. Tedernst 22:19, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Oops, I didn't get what a "big number" was. Sorry about that. I've done what you've suggested and double-stubbed with Chicago stub. Thanks! Tedernst 16:55, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
There are currently 353 articles in {{ Caribbean-geo-stub}}. A google search suggests that about 60 to 70 of these are for Cuban geography stubs, so I would like to propose {{ Cuba-geo-stub}}. Aecis 22:53, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
There should be a stub for gum, I know all the Dentenye's are stubbed and I'm too lazy to find the others (I know I seen them)-- FlareNUKE 06:22, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
{{ Russian-hist-stub}} should be renamed to {{ Russia-hist-stub}}, according to the stub naming conventions, shouldn't it? Note that Russian-hist-stub redirects to {{ Russian-history-stub}} - I think they should both be redirected to Russia-hist-stub. At the very least, I think one redirect is in order to make Russia-hist-stub workable. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 12:28, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
The Radio stubs are currently a slight bit of a mess, so I'm proposing a bot of a reorganization. This has some parts that will need to go through SfD, but the form in which the SfD is proposed will depend upon how this proposal is resolved.
We currently have:
I suggest we do the following:
The reason I have for proceeding as I suggest is two fold.
I hereby propose Category:EastEnders stubs and Template:EastEndersStub -- 4836.03 07:16, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't seem to be able to find any stubs catagorys for rocks-are they just under a more scientific name? If they are, I suggust a stub with a more simple name, such as Template:Rock-Stub-- Akako | ☎ 13:18, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Just did a tally, and got
25 Isle of Wight 30 Bristol 38 Herefordshire 52 Bedfordshire 52 Tyne and Wear 62 Worcestershire 65 Rutland 66 Oxfordshire 73 Warwickshire 81 Hertfordshire 89 Cheshire 105 Suffolk
This makes Template:Cheshire-geo-stub and Template:Suffolk-geo-stub clear candidates. Some of these are unlikely to ever be worth splitting out though - Isle of Wight and Bristol. Rutland looks big here, but that's because it has pretty much 100% coverage now. What do we go once England-geo-stub is just cluttered by a handful of these tiny counties? Morwen - Talk 18:50, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I could have saved you some work here, because I did first thing this morning (given that I'd just finished Scotland, it seemed logical). And the figures I got were slightly different. Also, we've been splitting at 75 for English counties - which, according to my figures puts Suffolk (92), Cheshire (89), Hertfordshire (81) and Warwickshire (75) at or over threshold, so I'd go for those four. As to where do we go, most of the others are filling up rapidly (there were some 102 new stubs created for these counties in the last two weeks). Bristol is likely to be the only problem, and it might well be posible to merge that one into either Gloucestershire or Somerset. the previous count and is now up to 25 - and still has plenty of stubs that can be made. Tyne and wear was like that until recently, and is now well up the list. I'd definitely support {{ Suffolk-geo-stub}}, {{ Cheshire-geo-stub}}, {{ Hertfordshire-geo-stub}} and {{ Warwickshire-geo-stub}} for now (especially since one of them is my birth county :) Grutness... wha? 23:33, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
So what do you all think?
Caerwine 19:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Program does have the advantage of being less ambiguous when the words tv or radio aren't stuck in front, but that isn't a problem in this case. Caerwine 16:02, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
I would like to propose {{ Wales-bio-stub}} and Category:Welsh people stubs). I have done a head count of 60+ articles, which can be found on my talk page: Proposal for Welsh bio stub. There are plenty more at Category:Welsh people by occupation in the individual subcategories. I have tried to find more Welsh people, to move from the much overburdened "British bio stub" section, but in many cases, there simply is not enough information in them/or I have been unable to read the hundreds of individual articles one by one. -- MacRusgail 22:35, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I started going through {{ Japan-bio-stub}} to move some of them into the subcats, and about half-way through the A's, I noticed that of the 15 or so that I had changed, a good 80% were for Seiyu, or voice actors. I'd like to propose {{ Japan-seiyu-stub}} under {{ Japan-actor-stub}}. There are about 360 articles in Category:Japanese voice actors, and if I had to guess, most of them would still be at stub level. Neier 23:36, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I've just made an American comedians stub, I'd like to propose that, and maybe British, Australian, Canadain, Japanese, German, French, etc.--Hailey 22:44, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
After scanning through the Europe geography stubs category it shows we need more stub templates:
There maybe more but most of the stubs buildings up in the Europe geography category are for these countries. - ( Erebus555 11:44, 31 October 2005 (UTC))
I counted through the {{ zoologist-stub}}s and got the following results:
I think the ornithologists and entomologists are pretty obvious splits. I hope you will turn a blind eye to the fact that the paleontologists are just under the 60 stub minimum, because this will get rid of a lot of double stubbing, since they are currently all stubbed as both {{ zoologist-stub}} and {{ geologist-stub}}. Also, I only counted the ones that were previously marked as {{ biologist-stub}}s, which I then re-stubbed them as zoologists; so there could be more paleontologists under {{ geologist-stub}}.-- Carabinieri 22:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
So are you all okay with creating the cat, even though 60 stub minimum hasn't been reached?-- Carabinieri 09:13, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
The current Category page for these stubs is titled Category:Ornothologist stubs. This is a clear typo, since it does not even match the template spelling. -- EncycloPetey 08:17, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Will also add {{ auto-org-stub}} and {{ comp-auto-stub}} to sort auto-related organizations (not manufacturers), and auto-related components, for example engines, valvetypes etc. Have sorted most of the stubs beginning with a and b, and have at least 10 stubs for both of the abovementioned subcats. Bjelleklang - talk 16:37, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I would like to propose splitting {{ scientist-stub}}s by nationality. This will reduce the size of some nation-stub categories that really need it (US and UK, especially) and reduce some double-stubbing (although not much, since most scientists are marked more specifically, {{ biologist-stub}}, eg)). While sorting {{ biologist-stub}}s I noticed that the following will definately be viable:
I just wanted to ask your opinion on whether you would support splitting scientists by nationality in principle before counting them. But I think the nations mentioned above will definately have enough stubs.-- Carabinieri 12:58, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
{{ Anthem-stub}} & Category:Anthem stubs have been on the discovery page since August. A recent push by me has brough the number of stubs there from under 10 to over 40. That's still a little light, but my effort was not comprehensive and Category:Anthem stubs can help trim the overlarge (11 pages at present) Category:Song stubs by functioning as a sub category. Along with Category:Flag stubs and the proposed Category:Heraldry stubs, I'd like to put Category:Anthem stubs in a for now templateless Category:Symbol stubs. I'n not certain if there enough stubs to justify a {{ symbol-stub}}, but there's enough of a relationship here to justify having them feed into a common category, and we do have other templateless stub categories, so I'm not breaking new ground here. Caerwine 21:33, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Neither stub is needed to help split an overlarge category, but they both would get over 60 stubs and help to thin out {{ Euro-hist-stub}} so as to make it easier to see if a {{ HolyRomanEmpire-stub}} or a {{ ByzantineEmpire-stub}} would be viable. Caerwine 22:30, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Someone's been busy making stub articles on all the municipalities in Luxembourg - which means its gone from 34 stubs two weeks ago to 112 now. This one suddenly looks a lot more viable! Grutness... wha? 11:38, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
It's all loaded up at my stub-splitting page. If there's no objections I'll start on it shortly. (A bit early, but it's not a controversial one). Grutness... wha? 09:25, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
If we have an Ottoman Empire stub, what about the Austro-Hungary stub? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:56, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
The problem is, do we have 60 Austro-Hungary stubs? As a state, Austria-Hungary lasted a fairly short period of time and many of its potential stubs can be assigned either to the proposed (and likely to be soon created) {{ Austria-hist-stub}} or a possible but not yet ready for proposing {{ Hungary-hist-stub}}. In any case, to cover as wide a period of time as would be feasible, I'd prefer {{ Habsburg-stub}} & Category:Habsburg Empire stub so that it could cover events before 1867. Caerwine 07:24, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Finally, we are in a position to knock England-geo-stub on the head completely. I've been making a few Isle of Wight stubs, and it looks like some other people have been doing the same with some of the other counties. The count for the five remaining un-subcategorised counties is now:
Bristol's pretty thin, but all the others are passable at least, and Herefordshire has finally moved into the respectable category. I'd say we can easily make a {{ Herefordshire-geo-stub}}, {{ Bedfordshire-geo-stub}}, and {{ IsleofWight-geo-stub}} (or maybe {{ Wight-geo-stub}}), and it wouldn't be too big a stretch to make the last two, {{ TyneandWear-geo-stub}} (or{{ TyneWear-geo-stub}}) and {{ Bristol-geo-stub}}. Grutness... wha? 07:08, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I propose to create template/category for San Marino related stubs. There are near 20 such stubs, and I don't know with which stub should I mark them. -- Monkbel 12:15, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
This stub will be part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Spirituality. The initial statement of scope for this project is, “This WikiProject aims to promote better coordination, content distribution, balance and cross-referencing among pages covering topics of spirituality, as well as pages on topics that can be compared or contrasted with spirituality.”
When I think about Wikipedia, I notice four fundamental "ways of knowing" strongly expressed here - science, philosophy, religion and spirituality. By strengthening the spirituality-related pages, my hope is that this spirituality project can go a long way to help show how these ways of knowing interrelate with each other, not just emphasize their differences.
The Spirituality portal also is a part of this project. One portal box contains a list of "Things you can do," including work on spirituality-related stubs. By its very nature as indicated in the diagram, many of the spirituality stubs will overlap with other stubs. However, spirituality has a distinct perspective that merits balanced representation to maintain NPOV across this wide range of Wikipedia articles. The use of the spirituality stub will help ensure NPOV early on in the article writing process. — RichardRDF talk 19:08, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I am proposing this new subcategory to add to the history stubs. Alternatively, if anyone out there feels like it may not be worth it due to a small number of current candidates, we can change it to {{ Latin American history stubs}}, to include history stubs from Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America as well. Regards -- Andres C. 22:03, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Grutness had already brought it up, but I would like to propose it again: there seem to be more than enough sports-related organizations in Category:Sports stubs to create {{ sport-org-stub}} or {{ sports-org-stub}} and Category:Sports organization stubs. Aecis praatpaal 22:34, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I've started sorting Category:Musician stubs with the three new instrument based stubs. At present it looks like it'll go down from 23 pages to 11 or 12 when I'm done with the sorting. I'd like to go ahead and propose four other stubs.
I don't have an exact count, but I'm confident that all four will have more than 60 stubs. Caerwine 00:51, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Propose {{Hawaii-geo-stub}} for use at Western US geography stubs. There are at least 49 articles that are currently tagged with {{US-west-geo-stub}} and an additional four I found in {{Hawaii-stub}}. Also, there are probably quite a few unsorted in {{US-geo-stub}}. Many of these articles currently have both US-west-geo-stub and Hawaii-stub. I am suggesting that this can condense those two stubs into one, as well as help to further categorize the Hawaii geography articles into a better stub than US-west-geo-stub. Let me know if there are any problems with this. -- MattWright ( talk) 08:56, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
As I go through the sorting I see two more possibilities that should be able to get over 60 stubs each.
I realise that there is some overlap between {{ electronic-musician-stub}} and {{ DJ-stub}} on the one hand and between {{ electronic-musician-stub}} and {{ keyboardist-stub}} on the other hand, but it's sort of a continum there with quite a few of the makers of electronic music not really identifiable as either DJ's or keyboardists. Anyway, I really would appreciate comments here on both of these. Caerwine 21:39, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
There is a stub for amusement park rides, but there is not a stub for amusement parks themselves. The closest one I have found that fits the article I have made is the one for tourism, but I do not believe it fits very well. I need to find some more examples, as for the moment I only have the one (which I have made), but I am fairly certain they exist as there is a good amount of amusement parks and such in America and the world that have stubs.
If anyone else can find an amusement park stub, it would be appreciated if you added to my list. ^o^
I will search for some more amusement park stubs in my leisure time to hopefully expand the list.
-- Ihmhi 02:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
This is quite large now with ~700 stubs. Nowhere near enough to split by county, but enough to split by province. I haven't counted but I should be surprised if {{ Leinster-geo-stub}}, {{ Munster-geo-stub}} and {{ Connacht-geo-stub}} weren't viable. An {{ Ulster-geo-stub}} is more problematic, as six of the nine counties of Ulster are already covered by {{ NorthernIreland-geo-stub}}. We could possibly merge Connacht and the rump Ulster, like Ireland does for European Parliament elections? Morwen - Talk 09:30, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Right, I've more definite figures now, having counted them all (discarding non-obvious and multiples). Including only counties with >50 counted stubs, we get
Co Dublin can be split out certainly. However, if it is agreed that we can't split by province, I won't advocate any more splitting.
Morwen - Talk 19:39, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Ok, let's go with {{ Dublin-geo-stub}}, {{ Cork-geo-stub}} then. Been seven days since I mooted this, so time to start splitting? Morwen - Talk 12:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
All the former state park stubs are now assigned according to where they are. And that means that three more US states have now reached a 65-stub threshold (well, I had to push one of them with three newly-minted stubs...). They are:
Given that some of you are impatient little geo-stub splitters (Hi, Mindmatrix :), I'll load up my stub-splitting page right away... Grutness... wha? 08:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Category:Airline stubs has approx 700 articles now, so I've taken the liberty of suggesting the following subcategories: {{ euro-airline-stub}} for european airlines, {{ afr-airline-stub}} for african airlines, {{ amer-airline-stub}} for airlines based in America (or a possible split to {{ samer-airline-stub}} and {{ namer-airline-stub}} for North/South-America), {{ asian-airline-stub}} for airlines based in Asia, and {{ oce-airline-stub}} for Oceania-based airlines. Bjelleklang - talk 14:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
The proposal has been on this page for two weeks now. If there are no objections, I will begin creating the templates/categories and sorting the stubs tonight (European time). The templates I had in mind are {{ Euro-airline-stub}}, {{ Asia-airline-stub}}, {{ Africa-airline-stub}}, {{ NorthAm-airline-stub}}, {{ SouthAm-airline-stub}}, {{ Oceania-airline-stub}} and {{ US-airline-stub}}. Aecis praatpaal 14:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
This currently has 543 members. I could see splitting this further into {{ rodent-stub}}, {{ marine-mammal-stub}}, {{ marsupial-stub}} and {{ ungulate-stub}}.-- Pharos 18:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
This stub would greatly relieve the stress on {{ biology-stub}}. I found more than 20 potential articles for the new stub in just the first 200 articles listed with biology stubs. -- EncycloPetey 02:19, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
It's been just under a week, so I'll make the template & category now. -- EncycloPetey 08:35, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Not all percussionists are drummers, but between percussionists who are in Musician stubs but don't qualify for Drummer stubs and those in Drummer stubs who are either misfiled or play percussion instruments that aren't drums, there should be enough stubs to justify this stub to help thin out the Musician stubs even further. Caerwine 17:13, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
Category:Geographical term stubs has always been a grab-bag assortment of different geography stubs that weren’t about actual places, and it now has close to 350 stubs. I’d like to propose {{ map-stub}} or {{ cartography-stub}} for stubs relating to the science of cartography, and types of map. This should easily reach the 60 or 70 stub mark. Ideally, I’d also like to propose {{ Paleo-geo-stub}} (or {{ Palaeo-geo-stub}}) for prehistoric land-masses, lakes, rivers, and the like, but I’m not sure that has enough stubs yet (although a lot of them may be marked geology-stub). Grutness... wha? 00:39, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Those stubs wouldn't fit under either a {{ map-stub}} or {{ cartography-stub}} obviously enough, but I wouldn't object to a {{ cartography-stub}}, since I've wanted that for other articles, too few and uncounted for me to propose it myself. Caerwine 06:16, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Created as {{ Cartography-stub}}, with a redirect at {{ map-stub}}. Grutness... wha? 07:55, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm proposing a Category:Polyhedron stubs, with template {{ polyhedron-stub}}. This would be a subcategory of Category:Geometry stubs, which at the last count was between 400 and 500 articles. This category would cover specific types of Polyhedron, e.g. Augmented sphenocorona, in the 3D sense. This should reduce the size of the Geometry stubs category quite a lot, and make it easier to see what other types of articles we have in there. I can find about 50 likely candidates on the first page, just by looking at the article name. Silverfish 11:36, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
I would like to create a Goa and a Konkan stub, just as I have created the Konkan category and wish to expand both it and the Goa category. WikiSceptic 15:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
WikiSceptic, calm down. Your use of "Hitler" and "denial of identity" adds nothing to this discussion. We don't deal with the world as it should be, but as it is. Perhaps India is an artificial country. Perhaps Konkan should become independent. Perhaps the Indian states should be redivided. Perhaps a Konkan Pradesh should be created. But that is of little to no concern to Wikipedia. India exists, and when we divide Indian geography stubs, we use the Indian states as "tools" to sort the Indian geography stubs. Last time I checked, Konkan was not an state in India, so that one is not an option. Iff Konkan Pradesh becomes a state of India and there are enough stub articles, then I see no objections to such a template/category. But until that time, Konkan is not an option. Aecis [[User_talk:Aecis|<sup>praatpaal</sup>]] 11:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
We have a bit of a disconnect in the broadcasting stubs. The generic broadcasting stubs use {{ broadcasting-stub}} while the splits based on the region where some broadcasting takes place use {{ *-bcast-stub}}. Personally, I could live with having {{ bcast-stub}} as a redirect of {{ broadcasting-stub}}, but having it be the other way around would be a way to subtly promote the use of {{ bcast-stub}} as it would show up in the list of templates used when editting and would help create a degree of uniforimity in the name. The alternative way to create uniformity would be to take the various {{ *-bcast-stub}}'s and turn them into {{ *-broadcasting-stub}}'s, but that would take a lot more effort, and I'm not certain if it would be worth the gain. Caerwine 19:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
This would be very handy for the 96 relevant stubs in {{ Germany-bio-stub}} and the 200+ waiting to be reassigned in {{ Noble-stub}} and subdivisions, on the same basis as the equivalents for UK, France and Poland. Staffelde 20:32, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
The category has now 576 articles. Would it be best to move some of these articles that are related to history to a new {{ China-hist-stub}}? — Insta ntnood 15:52, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
{{ Poland-geo-stub}} has over 800 entries. I think we need to create {{ Poland-struct-stub}} and some administrative divisions (by Polish voivodships, perhaps?). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Frankly speaking I don't see a need to further disambiguate stub templates. After all they are but a message that there's work to do. And the hint should be that the work to do is on the article, not on the stub message. After all what we should focus on is to limit the number of stubs, not number of stub messages in certain category. Halibu tt 01:03, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
The Illinois-geo-stub category has over 100 entries in it now, more than half or which are in Chicago. Would be easier to get Chicago folks to contribute if the stubs were more specific. Tedernst 22:19, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Oops, I didn't get what a "big number" was. Sorry about that. I've done what you've suggested and double-stubbed with Chicago stub. Thanks! Tedernst 16:55, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
There are currently 353 articles in {{ Caribbean-geo-stub}}. A google search suggests that about 60 to 70 of these are for Cuban geography stubs, so I would like to propose {{ Cuba-geo-stub}}. Aecis 22:53, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
There should be a stub for gum, I know all the Dentenye's are stubbed and I'm too lazy to find the others (I know I seen them)-- FlareNUKE 06:22, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
{{ Russian-hist-stub}} should be renamed to {{ Russia-hist-stub}}, according to the stub naming conventions, shouldn't it? Note that Russian-hist-stub redirects to {{ Russian-history-stub}} - I think they should both be redirected to Russia-hist-stub. At the very least, I think one redirect is in order to make Russia-hist-stub workable. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 12:28, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
The Radio stubs are currently a slight bit of a mess, so I'm proposing a bot of a reorganization. This has some parts that will need to go through SfD, but the form in which the SfD is proposed will depend upon how this proposal is resolved.
We currently have:
I suggest we do the following:
The reason I have for proceeding as I suggest is two fold.
I hereby propose Category:EastEnders stubs and Template:EastEndersStub -- 4836.03 07:16, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't seem to be able to find any stubs catagorys for rocks-are they just under a more scientific name? If they are, I suggust a stub with a more simple name, such as Template:Rock-Stub-- Akako | ☎ 13:18, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Just did a tally, and got
25 Isle of Wight 30 Bristol 38 Herefordshire 52 Bedfordshire 52 Tyne and Wear 62 Worcestershire 65 Rutland 66 Oxfordshire 73 Warwickshire 81 Hertfordshire 89 Cheshire 105 Suffolk
This makes Template:Cheshire-geo-stub and Template:Suffolk-geo-stub clear candidates. Some of these are unlikely to ever be worth splitting out though - Isle of Wight and Bristol. Rutland looks big here, but that's because it has pretty much 100% coverage now. What do we go once England-geo-stub is just cluttered by a handful of these tiny counties? Morwen - Talk 18:50, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I could have saved you some work here, because I did first thing this morning (given that I'd just finished Scotland, it seemed logical). And the figures I got were slightly different. Also, we've been splitting at 75 for English counties - which, according to my figures puts Suffolk (92), Cheshire (89), Hertfordshire (81) and Warwickshire (75) at or over threshold, so I'd go for those four. As to where do we go, most of the others are filling up rapidly (there were some 102 new stubs created for these counties in the last two weeks). Bristol is likely to be the only problem, and it might well be posible to merge that one into either Gloucestershire or Somerset. the previous count and is now up to 25 - and still has plenty of stubs that can be made. Tyne and wear was like that until recently, and is now well up the list. I'd definitely support {{ Suffolk-geo-stub}}, {{ Cheshire-geo-stub}}, {{ Hertfordshire-geo-stub}} and {{ Warwickshire-geo-stub}} for now (especially since one of them is my birth county :) Grutness... wha? 23:33, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
So what do you all think?
Caerwine 19:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Program does have the advantage of being less ambiguous when the words tv or radio aren't stuck in front, but that isn't a problem in this case. Caerwine 16:02, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
I would like to propose {{ Wales-bio-stub}} and Category:Welsh people stubs). I have done a head count of 60+ articles, which can be found on my talk page: Proposal for Welsh bio stub. There are plenty more at Category:Welsh people by occupation in the individual subcategories. I have tried to find more Welsh people, to move from the much overburdened "British bio stub" section, but in many cases, there simply is not enough information in them/or I have been unable to read the hundreds of individual articles one by one. -- MacRusgail 22:35, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I started going through {{ Japan-bio-stub}} to move some of them into the subcats, and about half-way through the A's, I noticed that of the 15 or so that I had changed, a good 80% were for Seiyu, or voice actors. I'd like to propose {{ Japan-seiyu-stub}} under {{ Japan-actor-stub}}. There are about 360 articles in Category:Japanese voice actors, and if I had to guess, most of them would still be at stub level. Neier 23:36, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I've just made an American comedians stub, I'd like to propose that, and maybe British, Australian, Canadain, Japanese, German, French, etc.--Hailey 22:44, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
After scanning through the Europe geography stubs category it shows we need more stub templates:
There maybe more but most of the stubs buildings up in the Europe geography category are for these countries. - ( Erebus555 11:44, 31 October 2005 (UTC))
I counted through the {{ zoologist-stub}}s and got the following results:
I think the ornithologists and entomologists are pretty obvious splits. I hope you will turn a blind eye to the fact that the paleontologists are just under the 60 stub minimum, because this will get rid of a lot of double stubbing, since they are currently all stubbed as both {{ zoologist-stub}} and {{ geologist-stub}}. Also, I only counted the ones that were previously marked as {{ biologist-stub}}s, which I then re-stubbed them as zoologists; so there could be more paleontologists under {{ geologist-stub}}.-- Carabinieri 22:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
So are you all okay with creating the cat, even though 60 stub minimum hasn't been reached?-- Carabinieri 09:13, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
The current Category page for these stubs is titled Category:Ornothologist stubs. This is a clear typo, since it does not even match the template spelling. -- EncycloPetey 08:17, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Will also add {{ auto-org-stub}} and {{ comp-auto-stub}} to sort auto-related organizations (not manufacturers), and auto-related components, for example engines, valvetypes etc. Have sorted most of the stubs beginning with a and b, and have at least 10 stubs for both of the abovementioned subcats. Bjelleklang - talk 16:37, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I would like to propose splitting {{ scientist-stub}}s by nationality. This will reduce the size of some nation-stub categories that really need it (US and UK, especially) and reduce some double-stubbing (although not much, since most scientists are marked more specifically, {{ biologist-stub}}, eg)). While sorting {{ biologist-stub}}s I noticed that the following will definately be viable:
I just wanted to ask your opinion on whether you would support splitting scientists by nationality in principle before counting them. But I think the nations mentioned above will definately have enough stubs.-- Carabinieri 12:58, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
{{ Anthem-stub}} & Category:Anthem stubs have been on the discovery page since August. A recent push by me has brough the number of stubs there from under 10 to over 40. That's still a little light, but my effort was not comprehensive and Category:Anthem stubs can help trim the overlarge (11 pages at present) Category:Song stubs by functioning as a sub category. Along with Category:Flag stubs and the proposed Category:Heraldry stubs, I'd like to put Category:Anthem stubs in a for now templateless Category:Symbol stubs. I'n not certain if there enough stubs to justify a {{ symbol-stub}}, but there's enough of a relationship here to justify having them feed into a common category, and we do have other templateless stub categories, so I'm not breaking new ground here. Caerwine 21:33, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Neither stub is needed to help split an overlarge category, but they both would get over 60 stubs and help to thin out {{ Euro-hist-stub}} so as to make it easier to see if a {{ HolyRomanEmpire-stub}} or a {{ ByzantineEmpire-stub}} would be viable. Caerwine 22:30, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Someone's been busy making stub articles on all the municipalities in Luxembourg - which means its gone from 34 stubs two weeks ago to 112 now. This one suddenly looks a lot more viable! Grutness... wha? 11:38, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
It's all loaded up at my stub-splitting page. If there's no objections I'll start on it shortly. (A bit early, but it's not a controversial one). Grutness... wha? 09:25, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
If we have an Ottoman Empire stub, what about the Austro-Hungary stub? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:56, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
The problem is, do we have 60 Austro-Hungary stubs? As a state, Austria-Hungary lasted a fairly short period of time and many of its potential stubs can be assigned either to the proposed (and likely to be soon created) {{ Austria-hist-stub}} or a possible but not yet ready for proposing {{ Hungary-hist-stub}}. In any case, to cover as wide a period of time as would be feasible, I'd prefer {{ Habsburg-stub}} & Category:Habsburg Empire stub so that it could cover events before 1867. Caerwine 07:24, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Finally, we are in a position to knock England-geo-stub on the head completely. I've been making a few Isle of Wight stubs, and it looks like some other people have been doing the same with some of the other counties. The count for the five remaining un-subcategorised counties is now:
Bristol's pretty thin, but all the others are passable at least, and Herefordshire has finally moved into the respectable category. I'd say we can easily make a {{ Herefordshire-geo-stub}}, {{ Bedfordshire-geo-stub}}, and {{ IsleofWight-geo-stub}} (or maybe {{ Wight-geo-stub}}), and it wouldn't be too big a stretch to make the last two, {{ TyneandWear-geo-stub}} (or{{ TyneWear-geo-stub}}) and {{ Bristol-geo-stub}}. Grutness... wha? 07:08, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I propose to create template/category for San Marino related stubs. There are near 20 such stubs, and I don't know with which stub should I mark them. -- Monkbel 12:15, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
This stub will be part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Spirituality. The initial statement of scope for this project is, “This WikiProject aims to promote better coordination, content distribution, balance and cross-referencing among pages covering topics of spirituality, as well as pages on topics that can be compared or contrasted with spirituality.”
When I think about Wikipedia, I notice four fundamental "ways of knowing" strongly expressed here - science, philosophy, religion and spirituality. By strengthening the spirituality-related pages, my hope is that this spirituality project can go a long way to help show how these ways of knowing interrelate with each other, not just emphasize their differences.
The Spirituality portal also is a part of this project. One portal box contains a list of "Things you can do," including work on spirituality-related stubs. By its very nature as indicated in the diagram, many of the spirituality stubs will overlap with other stubs. However, spirituality has a distinct perspective that merits balanced representation to maintain NPOV across this wide range of Wikipedia articles. The use of the spirituality stub will help ensure NPOV early on in the article writing process. — RichardRDF talk 19:08, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I am proposing this new subcategory to add to the history stubs. Alternatively, if anyone out there feels like it may not be worth it due to a small number of current candidates, we can change it to {{ Latin American history stubs}}, to include history stubs from Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America as well. Regards -- Andres C. 22:03, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Grutness had already brought it up, but I would like to propose it again: there seem to be more than enough sports-related organizations in Category:Sports stubs to create {{ sport-org-stub}} or {{ sports-org-stub}} and Category:Sports organization stubs. Aecis praatpaal 22:34, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I've started sorting Category:Musician stubs with the three new instrument based stubs. At present it looks like it'll go down from 23 pages to 11 or 12 when I'm done with the sorting. I'd like to go ahead and propose four other stubs.
I don't have an exact count, but I'm confident that all four will have more than 60 stubs. Caerwine 00:51, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Propose {{Hawaii-geo-stub}} for use at Western US geography stubs. There are at least 49 articles that are currently tagged with {{US-west-geo-stub}} and an additional four I found in {{Hawaii-stub}}. Also, there are probably quite a few unsorted in {{US-geo-stub}}. Many of these articles currently have both US-west-geo-stub and Hawaii-stub. I am suggesting that this can condense those two stubs into one, as well as help to further categorize the Hawaii geography articles into a better stub than US-west-geo-stub. Let me know if there are any problems with this. -- MattWright ( talk) 08:56, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
As I go through the sorting I see two more possibilities that should be able to get over 60 stubs each.
I realise that there is some overlap between {{ electronic-musician-stub}} and {{ DJ-stub}} on the one hand and between {{ electronic-musician-stub}} and {{ keyboardist-stub}} on the other hand, but it's sort of a continum there with quite a few of the makers of electronic music not really identifiable as either DJ's or keyboardists. Anyway, I really would appreciate comments here on both of these. Caerwine 21:39, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
There is a stub for amusement park rides, but there is not a stub for amusement parks themselves. The closest one I have found that fits the article I have made is the one for tourism, but I do not believe it fits very well. I need to find some more examples, as for the moment I only have the one (which I have made), but I am fairly certain they exist as there is a good amount of amusement parks and such in America and the world that have stubs.
If anyone else can find an amusement park stub, it would be appreciated if you added to my list. ^o^
I will search for some more amusement park stubs in my leisure time to hopefully expand the list.
-- Ihmhi 02:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
This is quite large now with ~700 stubs. Nowhere near enough to split by county, but enough to split by province. I haven't counted but I should be surprised if {{ Leinster-geo-stub}}, {{ Munster-geo-stub}} and {{ Connacht-geo-stub}} weren't viable. An {{ Ulster-geo-stub}} is more problematic, as six of the nine counties of Ulster are already covered by {{ NorthernIreland-geo-stub}}. We could possibly merge Connacht and the rump Ulster, like Ireland does for European Parliament elections? Morwen - Talk 09:30, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Right, I've more definite figures now, having counted them all (discarding non-obvious and multiples). Including only counties with >50 counted stubs, we get
Co Dublin can be split out certainly. However, if it is agreed that we can't split by province, I won't advocate any more splitting.
Morwen - Talk 19:39, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Ok, let's go with {{ Dublin-geo-stub}}, {{ Cork-geo-stub}} then. Been seven days since I mooted this, so time to start splitting? Morwen - Talk 12:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
All the former state park stubs are now assigned according to where they are. And that means that three more US states have now reached a 65-stub threshold (well, I had to push one of them with three newly-minted stubs...). They are:
Given that some of you are impatient little geo-stub splitters (Hi, Mindmatrix :), I'll load up my stub-splitting page right away... Grutness... wha? 08:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Category:Airline stubs has approx 700 articles now, so I've taken the liberty of suggesting the following subcategories: {{ euro-airline-stub}} for european airlines, {{ afr-airline-stub}} for african airlines, {{ amer-airline-stub}} for airlines based in America (or a possible split to {{ samer-airline-stub}} and {{ namer-airline-stub}} for North/South-America), {{ asian-airline-stub}} for airlines based in Asia, and {{ oce-airline-stub}} for Oceania-based airlines. Bjelleklang - talk 14:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
The proposal has been on this page for two weeks now. If there are no objections, I will begin creating the templates/categories and sorting the stubs tonight (European time). The templates I had in mind are {{ Euro-airline-stub}}, {{ Asia-airline-stub}}, {{ Africa-airline-stub}}, {{ NorthAm-airline-stub}}, {{ SouthAm-airline-stub}}, {{ Oceania-airline-stub}} and {{ US-airline-stub}}. Aecis praatpaal 14:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
This currently has 543 members. I could see splitting this further into {{ rodent-stub}}, {{ marine-mammal-stub}}, {{ marsupial-stub}} and {{ ungulate-stub}}.-- Pharos 18:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
This stub would greatly relieve the stress on {{ biology-stub}}. I found more than 20 potential articles for the new stub in just the first 200 articles listed with biology stubs. -- EncycloPetey 02:19, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
It's been just under a week, so I'll make the template & category now. -- EncycloPetey 08:35, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Not all percussionists are drummers, but between percussionists who are in Musician stubs but don't qualify for Drummer stubs and those in Drummer stubs who are either misfiled or play percussion instruments that aren't drums, there should be enough stubs to justify this stub to help thin out the Musician stubs even further. Caerwine 17:13, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
Category:Geographical term stubs has always been a grab-bag assortment of different geography stubs that weren’t about actual places, and it now has close to 350 stubs. I’d like to propose {{ map-stub}} or {{ cartography-stub}} for stubs relating to the science of cartography, and types of map. This should easily reach the 60 or 70 stub mark. Ideally, I’d also like to propose {{ Paleo-geo-stub}} (or {{ Palaeo-geo-stub}}) for prehistoric land-masses, lakes, rivers, and the like, but I’m not sure that has enough stubs yet (although a lot of them may be marked geology-stub). Grutness... wha? 00:39, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Those stubs wouldn't fit under either a {{ map-stub}} or {{ cartography-stub}} obviously enough, but I wouldn't object to a {{ cartography-stub}}, since I've wanted that for other articles, too few and uncounted for me to propose it myself. Caerwine 06:16, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Created as {{ Cartography-stub}}, with a redirect at {{ map-stub}}. Grutness... wha? 07:55, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm proposing a Category:Polyhedron stubs, with template {{ polyhedron-stub}}. This would be a subcategory of Category:Geometry stubs, which at the last count was between 400 and 500 articles. This category would cover specific types of Polyhedron, e.g. Augmented sphenocorona, in the 3D sense. This should reduce the size of the Geometry stubs category quite a lot, and make it easier to see what other types of articles we have in there. I can find about 50 likely candidates on the first page, just by looking at the article name. Silverfish 11:36, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
I would like to create a Goa and a Konkan stub, just as I have created the Konkan category and wish to expand both it and the Goa category. WikiSceptic 15:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
WikiSceptic, calm down. Your use of "Hitler" and "denial of identity" adds nothing to this discussion. We don't deal with the world as it should be, but as it is. Perhaps India is an artificial country. Perhaps Konkan should become independent. Perhaps the Indian states should be redivided. Perhaps a Konkan Pradesh should be created. But that is of little to no concern to Wikipedia. India exists, and when we divide Indian geography stubs, we use the Indian states as "tools" to sort the Indian geography stubs. Last time I checked, Konkan was not an state in India, so that one is not an option. Iff Konkan Pradesh becomes a state of India and there are enough stub articles, then I see no objections to such a template/category. But until that time, Konkan is not an option. Aecis [[User_talk:Aecis|<sup>praatpaal</sup>]] 11:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
We have a bit of a disconnect in the broadcasting stubs. The generic broadcasting stubs use {{ broadcasting-stub}} while the splits based on the region where some broadcasting takes place use {{ *-bcast-stub}}. Personally, I could live with having {{ bcast-stub}} as a redirect of {{ broadcasting-stub}}, but having it be the other way around would be a way to subtly promote the use of {{ bcast-stub}} as it would show up in the list of templates used when editting and would help create a degree of uniforimity in the name. The alternative way to create uniformity would be to take the various {{ *-bcast-stub}}'s and turn them into {{ *-broadcasting-stub}}'s, but that would take a lot more effort, and I'm not certain if it would be worth the gain. Caerwine 19:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)