The result of the discussion was There is a strong consensus against merging these templates. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:31, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox event with
Template:Infobox civilian attack.
Largely overlapping; often used interchangeably.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 21:16, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
{{Infobox event}}
, which is badly named, isn't for "'any' event of special significance" - look at its parameters, it's for news events, typically involving deaths and injuries. Civilian attacks are a subset of that.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 18:52, 8 May 2014 (UTC){{Infobox civilian attack}}
is actually superior in that regard because its "title" is placed within the box, not outside the box, which allows for placing the template legibly anywhere in the article, not just at the top.
Poeticbent
talk 14:53, 14 May 2014 (UTC)|alt=
, |partof=
, |map=
, |map_size=
, |map_alt=
, |map_caption=
, |target=
, |timezone =
, |type =
, |victims =
/|victim=
, |weapons =
, |numparts=
/ |numpart=
, |motive=
, and |dfens=
. These were the obvious ones. Some of these seem fairly specific to an attack, while others might need to be in Infobox event now. Lacking good documentation of the Infobox event template, I'm not sure how some other parameters would merge, such as |perpetrators=
/|perpetrator=
(and their aliases); I'm not sure that Infobox civilian attack's |fatalities=
and |injuries=
are the same thing as Infobox event's |reported deaths=
and |reported injuries=
*corrected typo, there could be a difference between actual and reported numbers. Infobox civilian attack is well-documented; Infobox event lacks good documentation (which should be added regardless of the outcome of this discussion), for example, what is the difference (if any) between the |url=
and |website=
parameters? There seems to be an effort to make Infobox event a "one-size-fits-all" infobox by including three |blank label=
and |blank data=
parameters, we already have that in the {{infobox}}
template. Infobox civilian attack currently uses 26 parameters, fewer than half of which are currently included in Infobox event; Infobox event currently lists 41, a number which is likely to increase if this merger is approved. Even assuming Infobox civilian attack's |reported deaths=
, |reported injuries=
, |suspects=
, and |convicted=
parameters would merge to Infobox events' |fatalities=
,|injuries=
,|susperps=
, and |perpetrators=
parameters, that still leaves Infobox event with the |also known as=
, |cause=
, |first reporter=
, |filmed by=
, |participants=
, |outcome=
, |reported missing=
, |reported property damage=
, |burial=
, |inquiries=
, |inquest=
, |coroner=
, |accused=
, |charges=
, |verdict=
, |convictions=
, |publication bans=
, |litigation=
, |awards=
, |url=
, |blank_label=
, |blank_data=
, |blank1_label=
, |blank1_data=
, |blank2_label=
, |blank2_data=
, |website=
, and |notes=
parameters, a total of 28 parameters that an editor might possibly need to delete. One of the purposes of specific infoboxes is to identify the information needed about the subject; the Infobox event template is already horribly bloated and there is no justification for making it more so at the expense of ease of editing by our users and confusing them as to what information is needed in the bargain. Also, I would like to see instances where the two are "often used interchangeably", as stated by the proposer.—
D'Ranged 1
talk 04:01, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
|fatalities=
and |injuries=
are the same thing as Infobox event's |reported deaths=
and |injuries=
"? Really? The difference between the |url=
and |website=
parameters is, er, the name of the parameters. The issue of "needing" to delete unused parameters is easily resolved by providing two or more copyable blanks, as done elsewhere; that is no justification for separate templates.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 12:55, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
|url=
and |website=
, why are both needed? Are they or are they not synonymous? Lacking documentation for the template, it is impossible to tell. And having to figure out which parameters apply to the article you're writing/editing and then delete the rest is something that's avoided altogether by having the separate infobox. I have yet to see a logical reason to delete an infobox that is used nearly twice as much as the one it's being proposed to merge with to make an already long template even longer; what is the benefit to editors of the merge, please?—
D'Ranged 1
talk 14:30, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
{{Infobox civilian attack}}
is used by
Wagon tragedy,
Korean Air Flight 858,
Elizabeth Smart kidnapping and
NATO bombing of the Radio Television of Serbia headquarters. {{Infobox event}}
is used by
French Revolution,
Glorious Revolution,
Johnson County War,
Reichstag fire and
Rangoon bombing. All could arguably swapped for the opposite box.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
|url=
and |website=
are not the same (|url=
is actually a misnamed parameter for a link to film footage), but are in fact both parameters of {{Infobox event}}
; {{Infobox civilian attack}}
has no website parameter. That's not a reason not to merge, the templates; but i fact an exampe of parameter(s) wihch should be shared.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 11:13, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
{{Infobox event}}
, because the perpetrators were military men, but should use {{Infobox civilian attack}}
if they were not (If they were policemen? If they retired from the military the week before?) shows just how redundant the two templates are to each other.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 17:41, 12 May 2014 (UTC){{Infobox event}}
is used for events which featured violence, and had perpetuators [sic; perpetrators] and victims.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 11:07, 17 May 2014 (UTC)The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:22, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox Horseraces with
Template:Infobox turf race.
Similar templates, overlapping purposes. Also need a better name, to avoid confusion with {{
Infobox horse race}}.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 12:51, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
{{
Infobox horse race}}
- they have different purposes. {{
Infobox Horseraces}}
is for a recurring event, like the
Epsom Derby; {{
Infobox horse race}}
is for one specific event, like the
2013 Epsom Derby. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 19:50, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
{{
Infobox horse race}}
. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 23:04, 7 May 2014 (UTC){{
Infobox horse racing event}}
. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 21:34, 7 May 2014 (UTC).The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:18, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox horse race with
Template:Infobox dirt horse race.
Similar templates; overlapping purposes.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 12:48, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:17, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox Speedway national team with
Template:Infobox Speedway national U-19 team and
Template:Infobox Speedway national U-21 team.
Merge these near-identical templates and rename to include the phrase "motorcycle speedway" for clarity.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 12:33, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:17, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox British Speedway League with
Template:Infobox speedway league.
The "British" template has better parameters, but these should be merged at the more generic name.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 12:26, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:16, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
It should use JCT. Thewombatguru ( talk) 12:25, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Consensus is to delete this template. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:54, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
fails WP:NENAN, having no links at all The Banner talk 09:07, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was There is a strong consensus against merging these templates. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:31, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox event with
Template:Infobox civilian attack.
Largely overlapping; often used interchangeably.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 21:16, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
{{Infobox event}}
, which is badly named, isn't for "'any' event of special significance" - look at its parameters, it's for news events, typically involving deaths and injuries. Civilian attacks are a subset of that.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 18:52, 8 May 2014 (UTC){{Infobox civilian attack}}
is actually superior in that regard because its "title" is placed within the box, not outside the box, which allows for placing the template legibly anywhere in the article, not just at the top.
Poeticbent
talk 14:53, 14 May 2014 (UTC)|alt=
, |partof=
, |map=
, |map_size=
, |map_alt=
, |map_caption=
, |target=
, |timezone =
, |type =
, |victims =
/|victim=
, |weapons =
, |numparts=
/ |numpart=
, |motive=
, and |dfens=
. These were the obvious ones. Some of these seem fairly specific to an attack, while others might need to be in Infobox event now. Lacking good documentation of the Infobox event template, I'm not sure how some other parameters would merge, such as |perpetrators=
/|perpetrator=
(and their aliases); I'm not sure that Infobox civilian attack's |fatalities=
and |injuries=
are the same thing as Infobox event's |reported deaths=
and |reported injuries=
*corrected typo, there could be a difference between actual and reported numbers. Infobox civilian attack is well-documented; Infobox event lacks good documentation (which should be added regardless of the outcome of this discussion), for example, what is the difference (if any) between the |url=
and |website=
parameters? There seems to be an effort to make Infobox event a "one-size-fits-all" infobox by including three |blank label=
and |blank data=
parameters, we already have that in the {{infobox}}
template. Infobox civilian attack currently uses 26 parameters, fewer than half of which are currently included in Infobox event; Infobox event currently lists 41, a number which is likely to increase if this merger is approved. Even assuming Infobox civilian attack's |reported deaths=
, |reported injuries=
, |suspects=
, and |convicted=
parameters would merge to Infobox events' |fatalities=
,|injuries=
,|susperps=
, and |perpetrators=
parameters, that still leaves Infobox event with the |also known as=
, |cause=
, |first reporter=
, |filmed by=
, |participants=
, |outcome=
, |reported missing=
, |reported property damage=
, |burial=
, |inquiries=
, |inquest=
, |coroner=
, |accused=
, |charges=
, |verdict=
, |convictions=
, |publication bans=
, |litigation=
, |awards=
, |url=
, |blank_label=
, |blank_data=
, |blank1_label=
, |blank1_data=
, |blank2_label=
, |blank2_data=
, |website=
, and |notes=
parameters, a total of 28 parameters that an editor might possibly need to delete. One of the purposes of specific infoboxes is to identify the information needed about the subject; the Infobox event template is already horribly bloated and there is no justification for making it more so at the expense of ease of editing by our users and confusing them as to what information is needed in the bargain. Also, I would like to see instances where the two are "often used interchangeably", as stated by the proposer.—
D'Ranged 1
talk 04:01, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
|fatalities=
and |injuries=
are the same thing as Infobox event's |reported deaths=
and |injuries=
"? Really? The difference between the |url=
and |website=
parameters is, er, the name of the parameters. The issue of "needing" to delete unused parameters is easily resolved by providing two or more copyable blanks, as done elsewhere; that is no justification for separate templates.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 12:55, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
|url=
and |website=
, why are both needed? Are they or are they not synonymous? Lacking documentation for the template, it is impossible to tell. And having to figure out which parameters apply to the article you're writing/editing and then delete the rest is something that's avoided altogether by having the separate infobox. I have yet to see a logical reason to delete an infobox that is used nearly twice as much as the one it's being proposed to merge with to make an already long template even longer; what is the benefit to editors of the merge, please?—
D'Ranged 1
talk 14:30, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
{{Infobox civilian attack}}
is used by
Wagon tragedy,
Korean Air Flight 858,
Elizabeth Smart kidnapping and
NATO bombing of the Radio Television of Serbia headquarters. {{Infobox event}}
is used by
French Revolution,
Glorious Revolution,
Johnson County War,
Reichstag fire and
Rangoon bombing. All could arguably swapped for the opposite box.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 17:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
|url=
and |website=
are not the same (|url=
is actually a misnamed parameter for a link to film footage), but are in fact both parameters of {{Infobox event}}
; {{Infobox civilian attack}}
has no website parameter. That's not a reason not to merge, the templates; but i fact an exampe of parameter(s) wihch should be shared.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 11:13, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
{{Infobox event}}
, because the perpetrators were military men, but should use {{Infobox civilian attack}}
if they were not (If they were policemen? If they retired from the military the week before?) shows just how redundant the two templates are to each other.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 17:41, 12 May 2014 (UTC){{Infobox event}}
is used for events which featured violence, and had perpetuators [sic; perpetrators] and victims.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 11:07, 17 May 2014 (UTC)The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:22, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox Horseraces with
Template:Infobox turf race.
Similar templates, overlapping purposes. Also need a better name, to avoid confusion with {{
Infobox horse race}}.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 12:51, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
{{
Infobox horse race}}
- they have different purposes. {{
Infobox Horseraces}}
is for a recurring event, like the
Epsom Derby; {{
Infobox horse race}}
is for one specific event, like the
2013 Epsom Derby. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 19:50, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
{{
Infobox horse race}}
. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 23:04, 7 May 2014 (UTC){{
Infobox horse racing event}}
. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 21:34, 7 May 2014 (UTC).The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:18, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox horse race with
Template:Infobox dirt horse race.
Similar templates; overlapping purposes.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 12:48, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:17, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox Speedway national team with
Template:Infobox Speedway national U-19 team and
Template:Infobox Speedway national U-21 team.
Merge these near-identical templates and rename to include the phrase "motorcycle speedway" for clarity.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 12:33, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:17, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox British Speedway League with
Template:Infobox speedway league.
The "British" template has better parameters, but these should be merged at the more generic name.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 12:26, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:16, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
It should use JCT. Thewombatguru ( talk) 12:25, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Consensus is to delete this template. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:54, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
fails WP:NENAN, having no links at all The Banner talk 09:07, 7 May 2014 (UTC)