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Secular Jewish culture

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#Secular Jewish culture

Hylland's theorem

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus. No agreement to delete or on an alternate target. Jay 💬 06:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC) reply

The target article is a straight biography and contains no mentions of his theorems whatsoever, meaning in contexts like Gibbard's theorem ("Gibbard's theorem is itself generalized by Gibbard's 1978 theorem and Hylland's theorem..."), the reader clicks the redirect expecting to find discussion of his theorems and instead receives nothing at all. This violates the Principle of Least Astonishment. 2603:8001:4542:28FB:D1A0:7BBB:E6CF:5C27 ( talk) 18:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC) (Send talk messages here instead) reply

  • I have notified the creator RobLa, in case he has an opinion. Jay 💬 11:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC) reply
    • I put the redirect and a talk-page comment in place in hopes that someone who knows more about "Hylland's theorem" (e.g. those that glibly mention it in the " Allan Gibbard" and " Gibbard's theorem" articles) might actually elaborate. Alas, there hasn't been any activity, even in my response to my May 2022 comment on the "Aanund Hylland" talk page. There's a wiki that I'm heavily involved with ("electowiki") from which I try to link heavily to English Wikipedia articles, and I think I created the English Wikipedia redirect when I created a counterpart to the page ( here: https://electowiki.org/wiki/Hylland's_theorem ), which used to link to the English Wikipedia redirect. I've since added a link on electowiki to the presumed first paper published by Aanund Hylland in 1980. "Hylland's theorem" may be more commonly known as "Hylland free riding", which is also glibly mentioned in many places on English Wikipedia ( see https://en.wikipedia.org/?search=Hylland%20free%20riding ). It would be handy if the redirect stayed intact, since hopefully Cunningham's law will kick in, and someone will actually flesh out what they mean by "Hylland's theorem" on the " Aanund Hylland" page. That's my theory/hope. -- RobLa ( talk) 04:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD ( talk) 18:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Early European population statistics and censuses

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 20#Early European population statistics and censuses

"Fart alarm" and "Fart extinguisher"

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 15#"Fart alarm" and "Fart extinguisher"

"Male anatomy" and "Female anatomy"

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Sexual dimorphism. Jay 💬 19:33, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Considering that neither of these redirects seem to have a clear subject to redirect them to individually, the fact that they do not target the same target is a bit odd. In regards to Female anatomy specifically, the current target just seems completely erroneous since the topic of "anatomy" is not exclusive to humans. From what I found when trying to find an article they both may refer to, the best I could find is Sexual dimorphism, but even that may not be correct as the article is not specifically about "anatomy". Steel1943 ( talk) 16:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC

@ Steel1943: Yes, the target of this redirect page shouldn't be specific to human anatomy. This section would be better, since it describes the anatomical features of females. Jarble ( talk) 16:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Anatomy and physiology

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 11#Anatomy and physiology

"Vertebrate anatomy" and "Anatomy of vertebrates"

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Vertebrate#Anatomy and morphology and keep the second redirect which already targets there. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 19:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply

These redirects should be synced, but I'm not sure which target is preferred. Steel1943 ( talk) 14:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Steel1943: I'd prefer to retarget it to this section because it describes the anatomical features that vertebrates have in common. This section is structured differently, as an overview of the comparative anatomy of vertebrates. Jarble ( talk) 16:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Ossea

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 13#Ossea

Deny the Armenain genocide

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#Deny the Armenain genocide

Stabbing attempt of Lee Jae-myung

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Trolltoohh Pass

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 19:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Misspelling of a redirect, Trolltooth Pass, that was moved from the target. – LaundryPizza03 ( d ) 04:29, 28 December 2023 (UTC) reply

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Ase Ka Ghadle

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 14:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

not mentioned at target - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 07:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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30-simplex

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 14:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

not mentioned at target article - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 07:14, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete, I guess? One can certainly conceive of an N-simplex (aka a (N + 1)-cell) for any dimension N that is a nonnegative integer, but it seems like none of these are particularly interesting in and of themselves once N gets big enough (for example we don't have articles about a 100-simplex or a googolplex-simplex, or really any simplex in dimension 11 or up). Oddly enough, 11-simplex through 29-simplex are all also redirects to Simplex (see Special:WhatLinksHere/Simplex to verify!), but I think they should also get deleted as well while we're at it since there's nothing interesting we can say about these topics individually, I think. Duckmather ( talk) 03:57, 6 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Josef Fritzi

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The result of the discussion was delete. Complex/ Rational 00:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Implausible typo. ‑‑ Neveselbert ( talk · contribs · email) 04:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Comment In case it's not clear (it wasn't to me on first read), this is a redirect from FRITZI to FRITZL. Google search returns around 2,130 results for "Josef Fritzi", vs 440,000 for "Josef Fritzl". Almost all of the 2,000 results are typos of Fritzl, but the fact there are only 2,000 results makes it a somewhat rare typo, not a common one that Wikipedia should strive to correct 147.147.154.124 ( talk) 13:52, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Trade War with China

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2018 Chula Vista mayoral election

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Mayoral elections in Chula Vista, California#2018. signed, Rosguill talk 14:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

no mention of 2018 election in article Is la🏳️‍⚧ 01:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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2014 Chula Vista mayoral election

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Mayoral elections in Chula Vista, California#2014. signed, Rosguill talk 14:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

No mention of 2014 election in article Is la🏳️‍⚧ 01:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Season of Swattings

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 14:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

There is one source that used this phrase in a context related to the subject: this article from Florida Politics–which has dubious editorial standards and only uses the phrase once in the passage "But this has been the season of swatting, for some reason". See same rationale at Season of Swatting (singular). Pbritti ( talk) 00:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete - Agree with Pbritti, second source which mentions this is a Bloomberg OPINION article, and newspapers like to use click-bait or cutesy terms to get readers to remember and/or propagate their stories. --- Avatar317 (talk) 01:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: This title likely came from an opinion article, which regularly has lower editorial standards than standard news articles. Also, such name must appear at a substantially high frequency. HarukaAmaranth 02:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Used by Bloomberg and other major news organizations. ShirtNShoesPls ( talk) 05:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    • It should be added that ShirtNShoesPls has been asked no fewer than three times to produce a source other than Bloomberg (likely a case of CITOGENESIS) or the Florida blog. They haven't and have refused to explain why. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 15:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete unless ShirtNShoesPls can provide sources for the other major news organizations. Jay 💬 10:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Primitive cultures

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January 4

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 4, 2024.

Secular Jewish culture

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#Secular Jewish culture

Hylland's theorem

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus. No agreement to delete or on an alternate target. Jay 💬 06:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC) reply

The target article is a straight biography and contains no mentions of his theorems whatsoever, meaning in contexts like Gibbard's theorem ("Gibbard's theorem is itself generalized by Gibbard's 1978 theorem and Hylland's theorem..."), the reader clicks the redirect expecting to find discussion of his theorems and instead receives nothing at all. This violates the Principle of Least Astonishment. 2603:8001:4542:28FB:D1A0:7BBB:E6CF:5C27 ( talk) 18:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC) (Send talk messages here instead) reply

  • I have notified the creator RobLa, in case he has an opinion. Jay 💬 11:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC) reply
    • I put the redirect and a talk-page comment in place in hopes that someone who knows more about "Hylland's theorem" (e.g. those that glibly mention it in the " Allan Gibbard" and " Gibbard's theorem" articles) might actually elaborate. Alas, there hasn't been any activity, even in my response to my May 2022 comment on the "Aanund Hylland" talk page. There's a wiki that I'm heavily involved with ("electowiki") from which I try to link heavily to English Wikipedia articles, and I think I created the English Wikipedia redirect when I created a counterpart to the page ( here: https://electowiki.org/wiki/Hylland's_theorem ), which used to link to the English Wikipedia redirect. I've since added a link on electowiki to the presumed first paper published by Aanund Hylland in 1980. "Hylland's theorem" may be more commonly known as "Hylland free riding", which is also glibly mentioned in many places on English Wikipedia ( see https://en.wikipedia.org/?search=Hylland%20free%20riding ). It would be handy if the redirect stayed intact, since hopefully Cunningham's law will kick in, and someone will actually flesh out what they mean by "Hylland's theorem" on the " Aanund Hylland" page. That's my theory/hope. -- RobLa ( talk) 04:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD ( talk) 18:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Early European population statistics and censuses

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 20#Early European population statistics and censuses

"Fart alarm" and "Fart extinguisher"

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 15#"Fart alarm" and "Fart extinguisher"

"Male anatomy" and "Female anatomy"

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Sexual dimorphism. Jay 💬 19:33, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Considering that neither of these redirects seem to have a clear subject to redirect them to individually, the fact that they do not target the same target is a bit odd. In regards to Female anatomy specifically, the current target just seems completely erroneous since the topic of "anatomy" is not exclusive to humans. From what I found when trying to find an article they both may refer to, the best I could find is Sexual dimorphism, but even that may not be correct as the article is not specifically about "anatomy". Steel1943 ( talk) 16:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC

@ Steel1943: Yes, the target of this redirect page shouldn't be specific to human anatomy. This section would be better, since it describes the anatomical features of females. Jarble ( talk) 16:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Anatomy and physiology

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 11#Anatomy and physiology

"Vertebrate anatomy" and "Anatomy of vertebrates"

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Vertebrate#Anatomy and morphology and keep the second redirect which already targets there. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 19:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply

These redirects should be synced, but I'm not sure which target is preferred. Steel1943 ( talk) 14:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Steel1943: I'd prefer to retarget it to this section because it describes the anatomical features that vertebrates have in common. This section is structured differently, as an overview of the comparative anatomy of vertebrates. Jarble ( talk) 16:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Ossea

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 13#Ossea

Deny the Armenain genocide

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#Deny the Armenain genocide

Stabbing attempt of Lee Jae-myung

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#Stabbing attempt of Lee Jae-myung

Trolltoohh Pass

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 19:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Misspelling of a redirect, Trolltooth Pass, that was moved from the target. – LaundryPizza03 ( d ) 04:29, 28 December 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette ( Merry Christmas, and a happy new year) 08:21, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Ase Ka Ghadle

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 14:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

not mentioned at target - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 07:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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30-simplex

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 14:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

not mentioned at target article - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 07:14, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete, I guess? One can certainly conceive of an N-simplex (aka a (N + 1)-cell) for any dimension N that is a nonnegative integer, but it seems like none of these are particularly interesting in and of themselves once N gets big enough (for example we don't have articles about a 100-simplex or a googolplex-simplex, or really any simplex in dimension 11 or up). Oddly enough, 11-simplex through 29-simplex are all also redirects to Simplex (see Special:WhatLinksHere/Simplex to verify!), but I think they should also get deleted as well while we're at it since there's nothing interesting we can say about these topics individually, I think. Duckmather ( talk) 03:57, 6 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Josef Fritzi

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The result of the discussion was delete. Complex/ Rational 00:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Implausible typo. ‑‑ Neveselbert ( talk · contribs · email) 04:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Comment In case it's not clear (it wasn't to me on first read), this is a redirect from FRITZI to FRITZL. Google search returns around 2,130 results for "Josef Fritzi", vs 440,000 for "Josef Fritzl". Almost all of the 2,000 results are typos of Fritzl, but the fact there are only 2,000 results makes it a somewhat rare typo, not a common one that Wikipedia should strive to correct 147.147.154.124 ( talk) 13:52, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Trade War with China

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 20#Trade War with China

2018 Chula Vista mayoral election

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Mayoral elections in Chula Vista, California#2018. signed, Rosguill talk 14:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

no mention of 2018 election in article Is la🏳️‍⚧ 01:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

2014 Chula Vista mayoral election

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Mayoral elections in Chula Vista, California#2014. signed, Rosguill talk 14:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

No mention of 2014 election in article Is la🏳️‍⚧ 01:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Season of Swattings

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 14:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

There is one source that used this phrase in a context related to the subject: this article from Florida Politics–which has dubious editorial standards and only uses the phrase once in the passage "But this has been the season of swatting, for some reason". See same rationale at Season of Swatting (singular). Pbritti ( talk) 00:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete - Agree with Pbritti, second source which mentions this is a Bloomberg OPINION article, and newspapers like to use click-bait or cutesy terms to get readers to remember and/or propagate their stories. --- Avatar317 (talk) 01:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: This title likely came from an opinion article, which regularly has lower editorial standards than standard news articles. Also, such name must appear at a substantially high frequency. HarukaAmaranth 02:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Used by Bloomberg and other major news organizations. ShirtNShoesPls ( talk) 05:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    • It should be added that ShirtNShoesPls has been asked no fewer than three times to produce a source other than Bloomberg (likely a case of CITOGENESIS) or the Florida blog. They haven't and have refused to explain why. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 15:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete unless ShirtNShoesPls can provide sources for the other major news organizations. Jay 💬 10:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Primitive cultures

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